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A
Welcome
everyone
to
the
wednesday
october
6
2021
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
for
the
city
of
asheville
planning.
Zoning
commission
will
hear
public
comment
on
items
listed
on
the
agenda.
There
are
three
ways
to
submit
public
comment.
You
can
do
it
through
pre-recorded
voicemail
comments
to
855-925-2801.
A
E
E
F
C
All
right,
mr
vice
chair,
we
do
have
a
quorum.
We
are
expecting
commissioner
bubenik
to
join
us
here
shortly.
A
Okay,
thanks
first
item
we
have
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
From
the
september
1st
2021
meeting,
everybody
had
a
chance
to
review
those.
E
I
moved
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
september
20
first
2021
meeting.
A
Excuse
me:
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
let's
do
a
show
of
hands
and
say
I
all
those
in
favor
aye.
D
C
A
A
I
think
she
might
be
having
some
technical
difficulties
we'll
give
her
a
minute
I
was.
I
did
want
to
welcome
our
newest
commission,
member
jeffrey
barton
to
our
group.
G
Sure
yeah
happy
to
be
a
part
of
the
commission
and
thank
you
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
all
and
let's
get
rolling.
A
All
right
second
thing
on
the
agenda
is
the
election
of
officers.
So
every
october
we
elect
a
new
chair
and
vice
chair
for
the
commission,
we've
kind
of
reviewed
what
the
regulations
are
for
that.
So,
given
that
I
am
currently
the
vice
chair,
I
will
step
aside
since
I
am
unable
to
make
a
motion
for
anybody
to
sit
for
the
chair.
C
E
Nominate
a
commissioner
archie
bold
as
our
as
your
new,
a
chair,
and
can
I
do
we
do
do
one
at
a
time
or
can
we
do
both.
G
H
A
So
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
faircloth.
D
G
H
A
And
I
will
vote
I
as
well,
although
that
seems
kind
of
weird
voting
for
yourself,
but
so
the
motion
passes
unanimously
for
chair
and
vice
chair.
C
And
kim
now
that
we
have
your
voice
back,
can
you
affirm,
or
can
you
confirm
that
you
were
supporting
the
adoption
of
the
minutes
or
did
you
have
a
concern
about
the
minutes.
H
A
Thanks
kim
okay,
let's
dive
right
in
so
the
first
item
we
have
on
the
agenda
is
a
zoning
map
amendment.
This
happens
to
be
for
a
project
that
came
through
several
years
ago.
It
is
a
request
to
amend
the
conditional
zoning
ordinance
adopted
on
october
9,
2018
ordinance
number
4702
to
remove
a
restriction
on
drive-through
uses.
The
property
is
located
at
511
brevard
road
and
identified
as
pin
9627974214.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
So,
as
mr
archibald
had
introduced,
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
amendment
for
the
property
located
at
511
brevard
road.
So
here
is
the
exhibit
a
map
from
2018.
When
this
conditional
zoning
first
came
through
to
city
council,
the
property
is
approximately
three
acres.
It's
located
at
the
intersection
of
brevard
road
and
south
bear
creek
just
north
of
the
interstate,
which
is
north
of
I-40
in
west.
I
guess
you
call
that
west
asheville
the
property
was
zoned
highway
business.
C
The
request
back
in
2018
was
to
split
zone
it,
even
though
it
was
conditional
zoning.
They
wanted
to
split
conditional
zone
it
with
the
bottom
two
acres
to
be
zoned
to
lodging
expansion
and
the
upper
acre
or
so
to
to
be
retained
as
highway
business.
C
However,
it
was
still
conditionally
zoned,
so
it's
lodging
expansion
conditional
zone
for
the
bottom,
two
acres
and
highway
business
conditional
zone
for
the
upper
acre,
and
that
was
for
the
purpose
of
constructing
a
106
room,
four-story
hotel
on
that
lower
portion
of
the
property
and
at
the
time
the
applicant
didn't
have
any
development
plans
for
that
upper
acre.
But
they
didn't
need
it
for
the
hotel,
so
they
wanted
to
kind
of
hold
it
out
for
some
future
development.
C
So
in
looking
at
the
aerial
imagery,
it
kind
of
gives
you
a
little
better,
better
sense
of
the
context
you
see
the
in
2018.
You
see
the
interstate
there
at
the
bottom
of
the
the
map
on
the
south
end
and
the
undeveloped
parcel
that's
located
at
the
intersection
of
brevard
and
south
bear
creek.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
deceiving.
It
looks
like
it's
kind
of
tucked
inside
a
clover
leaf,
and
I
think
that
is
looks
that
way
in
part,
because
of
just
the
natural
shape
of
south
bear
creek
road.
C
So
the
controlled
access
for
the
interstate
actually
ends.
It's
a
little
hard
to
tell
probably
on
your
screen,
but
it
kind
of
ends
somewhere
in
this
area.
So
the
interstate
includes
these.
These
ramps,
the
the
main
lanes
of
traffic
and
then
it
comes
across
and
it
captures
just
maybe
this
little
bit
of
right-of-way
and
I'm
not
100
sure
that
might
just
be
some
unusually
wide
right-of-way.
C
But
typically,
when
you
see
right
away
like
this,
it's
it's
because
it's
part
of
the
controlled
access,
that's
important,
because
if
you
have
controlled
access,
as
the
name
would
suggest
it's
controlled
access,
you
cannot
access
that
portion
of
the
road.
So
if
you
wanted
to
construct
a
new
road
into
a
subdivision
or
at
a
driveway
for
a
new
business,
you
cannot
do
that
through
controlled
access
right-of-way.
So,
where
you
have,
the
state
maintained
road
of
south
bear
creek.
That
is
not
controlled
access,
so
you
could
have
driveways
or
additional
roads,
or
things
like
that.
C
So
that's
going
to
be
an
important
point
that
I
will
get
to
here
in
just
a
moment.
So
in
2019
there's
another
aerial
image,
so
you
can
kind
of
see,
get
a
better
sense
of
of
the
location
and
the
convenience
of
that
hotel
as
it
relates
to
the
different
road
infrastructure,
and
you
can
see
the
hotel
more
or
less
occupies
that
lower
two-thirds
of
the
property
with
that
upper
one-third
one
acre
so
just
not
being
developed
at
this
time.
C
So
when
we
look
at
conditional
zonings,
we
always
reference
the
future
land
use
map
that
was
adopted
as
part
of
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan
and
this
property,
as
well
as
other
properties
along
the
corridor,
are
designated
urban
corridor,
and
that
designation
describes
it's
basically
a
corridor
in
transition
that
what
might
be
sort
of
a
more
suburban
style,
vehicularly
oriented
development
pattern
today
is
intended
to
transition
to
something
that's
more
mixed
use:
multi-story,
compact,
walkable
design,
so
for
conditional
zonings,
we
always
hold
them
to
a
higher
standard,
and
you
know
the
development
should
better
reflect
that
future
land
use
designation
than
than
you
know
something
that
might
have
just
been
more
traditional,
10
or
20
years
ago,
because
the
development
plan
was
relatively
consistent
with
this
designation
and
included
a
number
of
conditions
that
were
consistent
with
that
designation.
C
C
Here
is
the
approved
site
plan
from
2018.
So
again
you
can
see
the
hotel
located
there
on
the
the
lower
portion
of
the
property
the
applicant
had
intended
to-
or
I
don't
think
it's
been
completed
yet,
but
the
proposal
was
to
subdivide
the
lot
so
that
you
have
lot
one
which
is
the
hotel
property
and
then
lot
two,
which
would
be
the
future
highway
business
development.
C
So
the
I
mentioned
that
the
hotel
was
a
four-story
106
room
hotel
that
urban
corridor
designation
is
reflected
in
the
plan
through
some
of
the
the
multimodal
conditions
and
site
features
that
were
incorporated
into
the
plan.
So
you
have
sidewalk
on
both
brevard
road
that
you
can
see.
You
see
if
you
see
my
cursor
kind
of
here
along
brevard
road.
You
have
sidewalk
also
here
on
south
bear
creek.
C
When
this
parcel
the
parcel
2.
When
that
is
developed,
then
additional
sidewalk
will
be
required
to
be
constructed
along
the
rest
of
that
south
bear
creek
frontage,
so
it
will
create
a
continuous
loop
or
a
continuous
segment
of
sidewalk,
also
included
in
the
plan
or
in
the
conditions,
for
the
project
were
sidewalk
connections
from
the
hotel
both
to
brevard
road
through
here,
as
well
as
out
to
south,
bear
creek
through
a
crosswalk
in
the
parking
lot
and
then
out
to
the
road.
C
Both
of
those
conditions
were
written
in
such
a
way
because
that
requires
either
buncombe
county
or
ncdot
support
and
cooperation.
So
if,
for
some
reason
those
entities
didn't
want
them
or
didn't
feel
like
they
could
support
that,
the
applicant
wasn't
going
to
be
held
to
that
standard,
but
it
was
included
as
a
condition
and
then
the
other,
multimodal
condition
is
a
new
transit
shelter
to
be
located
on
brevard
road.
C
So
to
be
consistent
with
all
of
this
multimodal
infrastructure
and
interest
and
this
property,
the
only
condition
that
was
added
regarding
lot
2
other
than
saying
that
it's
it's
it's
allowed
to
be
developed.
You
know
consistent
with
highway
business
is
that
no
drive-throughs
were
going
to
be
permitted,
and
that
is
because
drive-throughs
because
of
their
the
windows
and
the
queuing
lines
and
the
way
the
traffic
is
typically
routed.
Is
they.
They
almost
always
create
direct
conflicts
with
pedestrian
pedestrians
and
bicyclists.
So
it
wasn't
felt
to
be
appropriate
at
this
location.
C
C
C
The
applicant
is
asking
for
a
change
to
that
condition
to
simply
eliminate
that
second
sentence:
to
lift
that
prohibition
on
drive-throughs
so
that
that
lot
number
two
could
be
developed
with
a
business
that
has
a
drive-through.
All
of
the
other
conditions
are
proposed
to
remain
unchanged,
so
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
those.
C
So
the
review
process
for
this
is
a
little
bit
unique
in
that
the
the,
because
there
are
no
changes
to
the
site
plan.
We
did
not
take
this
application
to
a
technical
review,
so
it
just
went
so
it's
just
before
you
you're
the
first
stop.
In
this
amendment
review
process,
your
recommendation
will
be
carried
to
city
council,
who
will
be
the
final
deciding
body
that
is
tentatively
scheduled
for
either
late
october
or
early
november.
C
So
as
a
result
of
these
two
sets
of
goals,
staff
does
not
recommend
approval
of
this
change
to
the
project
conditions
as
an
alternative,
and
we
had
suggested
that
the
applicant
may
want
to
consider
a
revision
to
the
site
plan
that
would
have
to
go
to
technical
review
if
they
wanted
to
pursue
that
that
minimized.
C
The
impacts
on
the
pedestrian
environment
that
could
demonstrate
that
those
impacts
are
minimized.
So
something
that
has
very
limited
windows
or
very
limited
queuing.
It
is
possible
to
design
a
drive-through
queue
that
does
not
directly
conflict
with
a
pedestrian
pathway.
It's
it's
tricky,
especially
with
certain
franchise
models,
because
they're
very
committed
to
their
design
styles,
but
but
it
is
possible-
and
so
we
recommended
to
the
applicant
that
maybe
that's
a
possibility.
You
want
to
consider
coming
back
with
an
actual
site
plan
revision
that
shows
that
those
impacts
would
not
be
significant.
C
They
wanted
to
first
come
to
this
meeting
and
kind
of
explain
the
request
from
their
point
of
view,
so
I
will
conclude
my
presentation
and
kind
of
turn
it
over
to
them
to
discuss
and
introduce
it
from
their
perspective
before
I
do
so.
Are
there
any
questions
from
the
commission.
C
Okay-
and
I
believe
derek
allen
was
the
applicant,
but
I
believe
damie
sesay
is
here
in
his
stead
is,
I
think
I
saw
her
enter
the
meeting.
C
J
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you
and
I
think
this
is
the
last
page
of
the
presentation.
Then.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
no
that's
fine
good
evening.
Vice
chair
archibald
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
damie
cece,
I'm
an
attorney
at
allen's
doll
in
kilbourn,
and
this
evening
I'm
representing
bear
creek
holdings
llc
in
our
conditional
zoning
amendment
application.
J
I
think
you
heard
from
shannon
that
the
original
project
was
approved
in
2018
and
the
ordinance
was
adopted
in
october
9th
of
2018,
and
this
hotel
was
a
mainstay
suites
and
wood
did
includes
106
guest
rooms
and
not
more
than
106
parking
spaces,
and
that
was
specifically
on
lot,
one,
which
was
the
2.2
acres,
and
that
was
zoned
as
lodging
expanded
expansion
conditional
zone
lot
2,
which
is
the
subject
that
we're
here
for
today,
is
1.1
acres,
that's
highway
business
conditional
zone
and
I
don't
know
if
you
recall,
but
this
was
the
last
hotel
approved
before
the
moratorium.
J
So,
as
shannon
mentioned,
our
conditional
zoning
amendment
really
addresses
what
I
think
is
a
relatively
simple
request
on
lot:
two:
could
you
go
ahead
and
switch
to
side?
The
second
slide:
please,
we
are
asking
to
remove
the
last
line
of
condition
12,
which
prohibits
the
drive
through
on
lots
ii.
As
you
know,
lots
of
is
located
in
the
highway
business
conditional
zone
and
drive-throughs
are
permitted
as
of
right.
The
conditions
did
not
conditions
and
excluded
the
drive-through,
because
I
think
that
was
something
that
was
recommended
either
by
staff
or
someone
back
in
2018.
J
Unfortunately,
the
minutes
don't
reflect
it,
and
we
don't
recall
why
that
occurred,
but
I
do
want
to
make
it
clear
that
they
are
permitted
as
of
right
and
at
this
point,
there's
no
development
plan
on
lot.
Two,
yet
are
the
developers
still
exploring
options
and
speaking
with
potential
lessees
from
my
understanding,
staff's
opposition
is
relatively
limited.
J
Shannon
mentioned
some
of
the
suggestions
and
recommendations
from
staff
that
we've
had
while
this
application
has
been
pending
and
the
developer
has
every
intention
of
trying
to
ensure
that
one
of
those
recommendations
are
are
used
or
taken
into
consideration
here,
like
I
said
before
that
at
this
time
there
is
no
development
plan
in
place
another
one
of
the
issues
that
staff
has
is
the
carbon
emission
concern.
J
If
you
look
at
the
map
on
my
slide
here,
you
can
see
that
we
are
on
an
in
on
an
interstate,
so
there
really
is
no
additional
carbon
emission
issue
because
there
is,
there
are
going
to
be
cars
along
this
area.
If
you
look
around
the
area,
there
is
no
other
real
way
to
access
the
hotel
or
the
surrounding
areas
without
using
vehicles.
So
this
one
drive-through
we
it's
highly
unlikely
that
it
would
increase
any
carbon
issues.
Excuse
me,
carbon
emissions,
the
other.
J
What
I
think
is
their
major
concern
is
walkability,
as
you
can
see
from
the
map.
South
bear
creek
is
a
two-way
street,
and
one
and
nc
191
has
three
lanes
of
traffic
in
both
directions.
That's
six
lanes
of
traffic
and
our
property
is
essentially
in
the
middle
of
clove
relief,
whether
it
technically
is-
or
it's
not
it's
just
that's,
essentially
what
it
is
here
and
in
terms
of
areas
where
pedestrian
traffic
would
be
high.
That's
just
not
the
case
here.
J
There's
no
way
that
we're
going
to
have
pedestrian
traffic
in
this
corridor
and,
as
you
can
see,
that
quarter's
built
for
vehicles
and
that's
what's
occurring
here
and
if
you
look
at
if
I
can
share
with
you
a
little
bit
about
the
the
properties
that
are
already
there.
Unfortunately,
I
don't.
I
can't
control
the
screen,
but
what
you'll
see
around
the
area
is
the
motor
mile
all
down
along
that
191
area.
You'll
also
see
that
there's
a
hospital
there.
I
think
it's
the
aston
park
healthcare
center
there,
no
one
is
walking
there.
J
That's
a
vehicle,
that's
only
reachable
by
vehicle.
A
lot
of
the
area
around
the
club
relief
is
also
restricted
access,
that's
not
going
to
change
and
then
there's
a
state
property.
If
you
further
down
toward
the
motor
mile
as
well
as
that
top
left-hand
property
is
the
bear
creek
real
estate,
it's
owned
by
bear
creek
real
estate
and
it's
the
old
english
family
property,
which
is
also
not
being
developed
and
is
unlikely
to
be
something
that
would
be
walkable
as
well.
Can
you
go
ahead
and
switch
to
the
next
slide?
J
Please
and
shannon
showed
us.
The
conditions
earlier
condition:
eight
required
the
city
to
request
that
ncdot
approve
and
build
a
pedestrian
crossing
across
brevard
road
in
south
bear
creek,
and
it's
been
three
years
almost
exactly
three
years
on
the
ninth-
and
I
don't
know
if
the
city
has
not
made
this
request
or
ncdot
does,
has
not
approved
it,
but
it's
clear
that
it
hasn't
been
approved
and
I
think
there's
a
reason
for
that,
because
this
area
is
just
not
particularly
walkable.
J
Very
few
people
are
willing
to
make
that
human
contact
to
walk
into
buildings,
commercial,
centers,
things
of
that
nature,
and
frankly,
this
drive-through
piece
in
this
environment
is
extremely
important
and
our
potential
lessees
are
demanding
it,
and
so
that's
also
playing
an
impact
on
why
this
land
has
not
been
developed
and
then
we've
also
spoken
with
our
neighbors.
J
A
Thank
you,
ms
c,
and
also
miss
talk
for
the
presentations.
Are
there
any
comments
or
questions
from
the
commission
at
this
point
before
we
open
for
public
comment.
K
Around
that
many
times-
and
I
don't.
B
See
any
traffic
in.
A
B
E
There
are
no
pedestrian
improvements
in
that
area
right
now.
That
doesn't
mean
it
can't
be
in
in
the
future.
So
I
think
these
statements
about
how
the
no
pedestrians
there,
of
course,
there
are
no
pedestrians
there.
This
is
a
in
its
current
condition.
It's
not
conducive
to
any
pedestrian
activity.
It
doesn't
mean
it
can't
be
designed
into
a
future
project.
A
Yeah,
I
know
mr
rodriguez
was
on
the
commission
when
this
came
through
originally,
as
was
I
you
know,
that
was
those
conditions
of
having
the
sidewalk
and
doing
the
pedestrian
improvements
and
the
transit
shelter.
A
You
know
that
was
all
based
on
the
fact
that
at
some
point
there
will
be
a
greenway
that
runs
either
along
brevard,
road
or
below
brevard,
road
or
somewhere
around
in
that
area,
and
the
idea
is
that
you
know
there
is
certainly
the
potential
for
pedestrians
along
there,
and
you
know,
certainly
you
know
a
lot
of
people
may
not
think
it,
but
there
are
people
that
that
ride
on
highway
191,
because
it
is
a
way
to
get
out
to
bent
creek
and
it
is
actually
on
a
bike
route.
A
So
you
know
I'll
go
ahead
and
say
one
of
the
concerns
I
have.
I
I
certainly
appreciate
the
applicant's
desire
to
have
drive
through
there.
It
makes
sense
you
know
if
you
look
at
it
from
just
purely
here's
rhodes:
here's
an
interstate.
What
is
there
now?
It
makes
absolute
sense,
so
I
was
out
there
this
morning.
A
It
was
about
10
o'clock
and
I
came,
you
know,
pulled
up,
went
up
into
bear
creek,
you
know
drove
back
around
and,
as
I
was
coming
down,
bear
creek
and
was
waiting
to
turn
left
at
that
light,
which,
if
you
know
it,
is
possible,
it's
just
barely
wide
enough
like
if
you're
the
first
car
someone
could
get
to
the
right
to
be
able
to
make
that
right
hand
turn
which
you
can.
You
know,
write
on
red,
but
once
you
get
more
than
one
car
there.
A
Basically
it
starts
backing
up
and
I
had
three
other
cars
behind
me.
I
was
the
third
car.
There
were
three
other
cars
behind
me
that
wanted
to
turn
right,
but
couldn't
so
there
were
six
cars
in
line
essentially
right
there
waiting
for
this
light
to
turn
green
for
any
traffic
to
move,
and
that
was
at
10
o'clock.
A
A
You
know,
I
think,
if
there
was
something
that
laid
out
what
they
proposed
to
do
here,
then
I
certainly
would
feel
a
little
more
comfortable
with
that,
so
that
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
right
now
and
again,
if
there's,
if
there's
no
other
comments
from
the
commission
I'll
go
ahead
and
open
for
public
comment.
J
Would
you
like
me
to
respond
to
your
statement,
your
search
researchable?
Certainly,
certainly,
I
think
I
understand
your
concern.
J
I
think
what
happens,
though,
is
that
it
creates
a
cash
22
for
the
developer,
because
the
lessees
and
or
potential
lessies
at
this
point
are
unwilling
to
enter
into
any
type
of
lease
with
such
a
strict
restriction
and
in
an
area
that
ordinarily
would
permit
that
and,
like
I
think
I
mentioned
before,
and
if
I
didn't,
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
the
staff
has
made
recommendations
that
the
developer
is
going
to
take
into
consideration.
J
Definitely
once
there
is
a
development,
a
development
plan
in
place,
and
I
think,
even
back
in
2018
as
recommendations
were
made
and
considerate
and
things
were
taking
into
consideration.
This
was
one
of
those
things
that
the
developer
tried
to
do
as
well
to
satisfy
either
staff
or
the
commission,
like
I
said
before,
I
don't
know
who.
So
this
is
not
a
situation
with
the
developer
that
will,
you
know
just
take
it
and
run
with
it
there.
The
best
interest
of
this
community
in
that
area
is
definitely
still
extremely
important
to
that
developer.
A
Thank
you,
mrs
and,
and
I
certainly
do
I
do
understand.
I,
and
I
appreciate
what
the
developer
has
done.
You
know
thus
far
you
know
again.
Those
are
my
concerns
are
almost
less
ironically,
as
someone
who
usually
is
all
about
the
bikes
and
the
pedestrians
less
about
the
bikes
and
the
pedestrians
than
about
the
car
traffic
that
could
potentially
really
back
up
along
south
bear
creek
road
depending
upon
what
other
future
development
happens
down
that
way,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
open
for
a
public
comment
at
5,
31.
C
Is
that
so
the
future
land
use
map
those
designations,
don't
match
zoning
there
there's
just
a
handful
of
future
land
use
map
designations
and
we've
got
lots
of
different
zoning
districts.
So
the
designation
is
broader.
It's
more
of
a
vision.
You
know
we
expect
urban
corridor
to
look
like
this
yeah
suitable
zone,
there's
multiple
suitable
zoning
districts
that
can
fall
within
that.
C
D
Is
there
any
comment
from
as
far
as
the
drive
through
my
concern
is
access
for
emergency
workers,
fire
or
ems
police?
What
not
is
there
any
comment
or
concern
from
those
groups
about
not
having
that
secondary
access
to
the
property.
C
So
we
don't
know
yet
how
the
lot
two
will
be
developed
the
at
the
time
in
2018,
the
and-
and
it
sounds
like
today.
Still
the
applicant
or
the
property
owner
doesn't
have
a
lessee
for
the
property.
So
we
don't
know
that
leslie
will
probably
come
in
and
say
they'll
actually
go
through
the
permitting
process
and
get
approved
so
as
a
result
in
2018,
rather
than
condition
the
approval
to
a
specific
plan
which
is
customarily
what
we
do
with
conditional
zonings.
C
They
felt
comfortable,
leaving
it
open
to
be
anything
that
highway
business
would
normally
allow
with
that
one
condition.
So
that
was
the
only
thing
that
they
imposed
on
this
project
or
on
this
property,
as
it
relates
to
to
future
development.
A
Okay,
thank
you
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
though
mr
faircloth,
I
think
you
were
referring
more
to
that.
What's
listed
on
the
site
plan,
I
don't
know
shannon.
If
you
can
pull
that
up,
there's
what's
labeled
as
a
proposed
temporary
secondary
access
for
fire.
E
C
Yes,
that
is
correct,
so
that
that
is
it
so
another
reason
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
is
we
do
this
occasionally
you'll
see
out
parcels
that
that
there
isn't
a
specific
plan,
but
how
that
property
connects
to
the
the
other
parcels
around
it.
C
Sometimes
there
are
improvements
that
cross
those
properties
like
sidewalks
or
crosswalks
or
easements,
and
things
of
that
nature,
in
this
case
a
secondary
access
point,
so
this
will
have
to
be
constructed
as
part
of
the
hotel,
so
it
may
not
be
in
place
yet,
but
either
this
is
constructed
or
something
of
equal
that
satisfies
the
the
fire
marshal's
office.
Equally
will
will
be
in
place.
C
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
the
so
that
we
would
anticipate
the
development
would
largely
be
located
on
this
portion
because
that's
just
the
the
larger
portion
of
the
site.
So,
okay.
E
I
just
want
to
to
reiterate:
I
do
remember
talking
about
this
project
and,
and
I
would
feel
much
more
comfortable
keeping
the
the
condition
for
no
drive
series,
as
is
until
we
see
until
my
my
colleagues.
My
future
colleagues
are
presented
a
site
plan.
E
A
E
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
go
ahead.
I
move
to
deny
the
conditional
zoning
amendment
to
ordinance
number
4207
for
the
property
located
at
511
brevard
road
regarding
the
elimination
of
a
prohibition
on
drive-through
facilities
and
find
that
the
request
is
not
reasonable
is
not
in
the
public
interest
is
inconsistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
fails
to
meet
the
development
needs
of
the
community
in
the.
E
A
H
G
A
And
mrs
bubenik
is
still
not
with
us
and
I
will
vote
I
as
well,
so
the
motion
passes.
Let's
see
that
makes
it
six
to
nothing.
I
I
just
want
to
make
the
comment.
I
think,
at
least
for
you
know
the
applicant.
You
know
this
really
gets
to
a
lot
of
those
submissions
that
we
sometimes
see
where
there
isn't
a
site
plan,
and
yet
someone
is
asking
for
something
and
it's
really
hard
to
make
those
decisions
without
seeing
those
things
laid
out.
A
You
know
there
are
concerns
and
I
think
if
we
were
to
see
those
concerns
actually
addressed
with
a
site
plan
with
you
know
something
that's
on
paper.
It
would
make
it
much
much
easier
to
deal
with
these
these
kind
of
issues.
So
again,
I
appreciate
you
know
what
you're
trying
to
do,
but
you
know
sometimes
we
need
to
just
see
a
little
more
concrete
work
in
front
of
us.
So
thank
you.
A
L
Thank
you
and
I
will
I
will
show
those
parcel
numbers
on
the
screen
so
that
everybody
can
review
them
on
their
own.
My
name
is
yup
you're
welcome.
My
name
is
vidyla
salika
good
afternoon
commissioners.
This
is
the
presentation
of
the
urban
place
forum
district
for
phase
two
of
this
initiative.
B
L
L
So
so
this
is
the
language
that
was
included
in
the
adopted
text.
Amendment.
I
L
Yes,
yes,
for
clarification,
oh
right
right!
I'm
sorry!
That's
also
listed
here.
We
had
a
previously
a
standard
that
said
at
least
25
of
affordable
units
should
accept
rental
housing
assistance
such
as
housing
choice
vouchers.
L
There
was
actually
a
typo
in
the
code
and
it
only
said
it
actually
said
five
percent,
but
it
was
supposed
to
be
25,
but
council
requested
that
that
be
increased
to
50.
So
that
is
the
new
standard
that
was
adopted.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
janice.
L
So
what
is
impacted
by
the
the
housing
component,
I'm
showing
here
both
the
the
phase,
one
and
phase
two,
because
when
you
looked
at
this
the
phase,
one
properties,
you
know
we
were
looking
at
the
ten
acres.
So
this
just
highlights
that
as
part
of
phase
two,
there
are
seven
properties
that
are
larger
than
five
acres
that
would
be
held
to
this
higher
standard.
That
would.
L
So
what
are
we
reviewing
tonight?
There
are
11
proposed
urban
centers
on
the
city's
preferred
growth
scenario
map
as
you've
seen
before
here.
What
you
see
circled
is
one
of
the
one
node
that
is
being
proposed
as
a
rezoning,
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
and
talk
through
a
couple
slides
that
this
is
actually
not
a
proposed
urban
center
on
the
future
land
use
map.
It's
it's
a
it's
proposed
as
a
town
center,
which
is
actually
a
higher
intensity
proposal
for
development.
L
So
it's
consistent
with
urban
centers,
but
it
would
allow
for
more
intensity
a
higher
intensity
development.
So
we
could
potentially
see
taller
buildings
there.
Should
they
go
through
a
city,
council
review
and
potentially
in
the
future,
a
zoning
may
be
adjusted
to
allow
for
greater
development
by
write,
so
just
to
talk
that
through
a
little
bit
and
to
show
you
what
I'm
talking
about.
L
This
is
a
map
snapshot
from
the
future
land
use
map
and
the
red
that's
highlighted
or
circled.
There
is
the
area
that
you're
reviewing
considering
for
the
map
amendment,
which
is
a
town
center
and
on
the
bottom
right,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
read
it
but
I'll
I'll.
Just
let
I'll
read
it
for
you.
Appropriate
zoning
districts
within
the
town
center
future
land
use
category
may
include
office,
business,
community,
business,
1,
community,
business,
2
urban
place
urban
village,
institutional,
corresponding
conditional
zoning
districts.
L
So
this
is
just
to
clarify
that
urban
place
is
consistent
with
that
zoning
district,
and
this
is
another
image
from
the
comprehensive
plan
that
again
shows
a
similar
image
of
what
we're
trying
to
move
away
from
suburban
single-story,
single-use
development
toward
a
higher
intensity
development,
which,
admittedly,
will
take
many
years,
and
this
is
just
the
beginnings
of
a
very
slow
transition,
but
the
the
comp
plan
even
calls
out
the
asheville
mall
as
a
as
a
potential
site
for
for
this.
L
So
now,
let's
look
specifically
at
the
parcels
that
are
being
proposed.
This
is
the
the
list
of
pins
that
the
commissioner
chose
to
not
read
and
I
won't
read
them
either,
but
they're
on
the
screen,
probably
large
enough
for
everybody
to
see
I'll,
highlight
that
the
zoning
districts
are
primarily
regional
business
that
make
up
78
of
the
property.
L
L
But
you
know
it
wasn't
quite
zoned
properly,
so
we
still
have
to
rezone
that
so
they're
proposed
to
move
from
these
districts-
and
you
can
see
by
the
way
the
up
here
that
that
is
the
the
sears
property
that
was
rezoned
as
part
of
council's
last
action,
and
we
are
proposing
that
this
entire
area
will
will
be
rezoned
to
the
urban
place
forum
district-
I'm
not
going
over
that
district
tonight,
because
this
is
just
about
the
rezoning.
L
A
Thank
you,
mr
sotlika.
Do
any
of
the
commissioners
have
any
questions
or
anything
they
want
to
discuss?
Ask
mr
sappaka.
G
I
had
a
couple
of
questions.
One
is
what's
the
status
of
the
tunnel
road
quarter
study.
I
know
it's
not
completely
related,
but
it
seems
relevant
when
we're
talking
about
rezoning.
You
know
what
we're
expecting
with
the
quarter
study.
L
Okay,
my
computer
says
that
I've
lost
connection,
but
can
you
hear
me.
A
L
Okay,
so
we
are
bringing
the
the
corridor
studies,
the
three
of
them
that
we
are
currently
reviewing
to
the
city
council,
I
believe
to
their
next
meeting.
M
On
that,
I
actually
just
saw
that
vadilla
froze
hi
good
evening.
Everyone
todd,
o'clocheny,
planning
urban
design
director
the
the
three
corridor.
Studies
for
hendersonville,
road,
biltmore
avenue
and
tunnel
road
have
actually
been
continued
for
city
council
to
be
evaluated
by
city
council
at
their.
I
believe
their
november
meeting
is
when
we're
shooting
for
now
for
that
to
be
evaluated,
and
those
are
all
presented
to
playing
zoning
commission
recently.
A
Yeah,
I
believe
that
was
august
meeting.
I
think
that
was
it
was
either
july
or
august.
Mr
barton,
if
you
wanted
to
look
back,
I
know
we
had.
We
did
see
those
and
I'm
pretty
sure.
Well,
I
know
there's
the
websites
for
all
of
those
are
up.
I'm
sure
you've
probably
already
looked
at
that,
so
I
don't.
It
didn't
necessarily
go
all
the
way
down
tunnel.
This
part
of
toll
road,
south
tunnel
road.
It
was
mostly
focused
on
tunnel
and
then,
as
it
makes
the
turn
to
go
over
to
240.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,.
G
G
Is
it
the
is
the
timing
right
or
you
know,
does
it
make
more
sense
to
come
after
the
corridor
study
has
been
adopted
and
if
and
once
there's
more
discussion
about
implementation,
I
mean
in
particular,
infrastructure
is
going
to
be
a
significant
investment
need
by
the
city,
and
so
what
we're
doing
or
prospectively
doing
today
is
adopting
zoning
categories
that
will
establish
the
requirements
on
the
private
property
owners,
but
without
any
acknowledgement
or
plan
or
path
to
match
that
or
pair
that,
with
a
substantial
public
infrastructure,
investment.
M
Yeah
that
that's
a
great
observation,
jeffrey-
and
I
think
you
know-
for
the
corridor
study
any
of
the
capital
type
infrastructure
improvements
that
are
included
in
that
are
definitely
a
long
ways
away
from
being,
you
know,
implemented.
I
think
it's
part
of
the
next
steps
for
implementation.
M
You
know
we
would
definitely
would
have
to
work
with
the
community
on
kind
of
you
know,
looking
at
the
priorities
that
are
identified
in
that
tunnel
road
corridor
study
and
then
figuring
out
how
that
aligns
with
our
you
know
our
five-year
capital
improvement
program,
so
it
would
I
mean
it
could
be.
You
know,
possibly
a
decade
out,
even
until
any
of
those
infrastructure
is
actually
in
place.
M
I
think
it's
important
to
kind
of
note
too,
for
this
proposed
urban
place
form
district
rezoning
for
this
particular
site.
When
you
look
at
the
existing
zoning
for
the
area,
it
already
allows
quite
a
lot
of
development
on
the
site.
M
M
You
know
we're
what
we're
trying
to
recommend
with
this
form
code
to
be
applied
to
this
area
is
that
they
start
to
create
kind
of
the
street
network
framework
and
structure
that
you
know
over
time
that
it,
the
property,
if
it
were
redeveloped,
could
redevelop
in
a
way
that's
more
walkable
and
more
urban.
L
Yeah
thanks,
my
computer
isn't
connecting
so
I'm
on
my
phone,
but
just
to
add
a
little
bit
to
what
todd
said
that
a
key
part
of
the
zoning
is
beginning
to
transform
the
the
private
side
of
land,
because
you're
right,
we
need
to
transform
both.
This
is
this
is
this
requires
as
much
transformation
of
the
streets
as
it
does
to
the
land
uses,
and
they
will
both
take
time
right
property,
the
the
properties
have
many
of
them
long-term
leases
and
some
will
turn
over
slowly.
L
G
So,
what's
the
I
know,
this
is
a
three-year
effort
and
I'm
incredibly
supportive
of
the
vision
and
ambition
of
the
urban
centers
initiative.
What's
the
urgency
on
on
this
particular
stretch
of
it
to
do
the
the
rezoning
now,
while
there's
these
other
pieces
out
there
that
haven't
been
evaluated
at
the
same
time,.
L
Well
I'll
say
that
it,
it
all
is
moving
forward
incrementally
little
by
little.
So
it's
not
that
you
know
there's
a
rush,
but
we
are
prioritizing
those
locations
that
are
on
the
highest
frequency
transit
network
first,
because
they
have
the
biggest
bang
for
our
buck.
The
city
is
investing
a
lot
in
transit
and
we
want
to
begin
to
have
those
properties
hold
the
new
zoning
so
that
as
they
transition
over
time,
they
move
in
the
direction
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
M
I
think
another
kind
of
challenge
when
you
look
at
land
use
and
transportation.
It's
kind
of
this
chicken
in
the
egg
conundrum
that
we
face
where
almost
a
catch-22
that,
when
we're
looking
for
to
work
with
partners
such
as
ncdot,
for
example,
they
might
ask
well
what
what
is
the
zoning
and
land
use
and
the
urban
form
adjacent
to
that
roadway,
that
you're
that
the
city
might
be
asking
for
improved
sidewalks
or
bicycle
facilities,
for
example,
and
then
oftentimes
with
these
types
of
corridors.
M
We
say:
well
they're,
they're,
all
they're,
very
suburban
in
nature,
so
we
don't
get
many
opportunities
to
have
the
streetscape
inform
the
private
development.
I
think
one
example
to
that
might
be
with
east
patton
avenue,
east
of
the
bridge,
and
we've
been
working
as
part
of
the
I-26
connector
project
on.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
create
like
a
new
gateway
into
downtown
and
there
might
be
surplus
land
available
that
we
could
rezone
and
redevelop
in
the
future.
M
That's
one
example
of
where
maybe
the
streetscape
could
be
done
first
and
then
we
could
do
the
development
on
the
private
side.
Second,
but
in
many
cases
throughout
the
city
you
know.
Obviously
a
lot
of
these
sites
are
like
infill
development
type
sites.
The
the
roadway
network
is
already
there
and
we're
trying
to
change
incrementally,
as
vadilla
mentioned
over
time,
change
the
the
form
and
land
use
mix
first
and
then
and
then
hopefully
the
streetscape
improvements
would
follow
that.
M
But
it's
very
important
for
us
to
try
to
you,
know,
align
those
two
together
and-
and
they
may
not
happen
at
the
same
time,
but
but
hopefully
they're
not
too
far
apart.
A
I
just
saw
that
commissioner
bubenik
joined.
Can
you
hear
us.
A
Yes,
so
I'm
gonna
take
a
quick
pause
on
our
discussion,
so
miss
bubenik.
A
We
had
a
discussion
in
the
pre-meeting
about
that,
since
you
happen
to
work
at
a
retailer
who
is
at
the
asheville
mall
and
the
asheville
mall
is
one
of
the
properties
affected
by
this
particular
zoning
change
that
there
might
be
a
potential
conflict
of
interest.
So
we
just
need
to
ask
if
you
are
able
to
make
a
fair
and
impartial
decision
regarding
this
matter.
A
Correct
yeah,
you
work
for
a
tenant,
that's
in
the
mall,
and
so
that
was
that
was
our
understanding.
So
do
any
of
the
commissioners
have
any
concern.
A
Scene,
none,
we
can
go
ahead
and
go
back
to
the
to
the
discussion.
Thank
you,
commissioner
barton.
You
know
for
your
comment
because
it
did
come
up.
I
know
the
former
chair,
chair,
houser,
had
some
questions
regarding
you
know
public
infrastructure,
and
things
like
that.
I
do
know,
I
don't
believe
in
and
I
know
either
mr
okla
cheney
or
mr
stotwick.
I
can
answer
this.
A
A
You
know,
and
also
you
know,
I
think
one
of
the
you
know
if
you
want
to
call
it
urgency.
I
know
there's
you
know,
certainly
with
innsbruck
mall
property.
There
was
some
slight
urgency
about
you
know.
Would
it
get
redeveloped
before
we
had
some
of
this
zoning
in
place,
I
know
seems
like
a
couple
years
ago
there
were
rumors
about
redeveloping
on
the
property
across
from
the
asheville
mall.
A
So
you
know,
I
think,
some
of
it's
trying
to
maybe
get
ahead
of
things
that
may
happen
so
that
we
don't
just
continue
the
kind
of
suburban
nature
of
what's
going
on
down
there,
but
I
certainly
do
appreciate
you
know
the
comments
you're
bringing
about
timing
and
that.
L
If
I
can
say
one
more
response,
commissioner
sure
just
to
remind
everybody
that
we
have
triggers
that
don't
require
compliance
with
the
code
until
you
do
a
significant
amount
of
investment,
so
many
of
the
properties
that
are
being
rezoned
will
continue
the
way
they
are
for
many
years.
L
It's
only
when
you
trigger
a
certain
threshold,
which
is
primarily
about
75
percent
of
the
value
of
a
building
that
creates
the
requirement
that
you
have
to
meet
the
code
and
and
even
if
you
meet
it,
I
want
to
you
know
for
for
those
who
weren't
here
before
the
code
is
flexible
enough
to
allow
for
quite
suburban
style
development.
You
know
some
of
the
images
I
showed
you
know
show
these
multi-story
larger
buildings,
but
but
the
code
that
was
adopted
allows
for
much
lower
scale.
L
Only
actually
50
of
the
total
gross
floor
area
needs
to
be
two
stories.
So
you
know,
half
of
the
project
can
be
single
story.
So
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
there
for
maintaining
the
similar
pattern
of
the
conventional
development
that
we
see
there
today.
E
Just
briefly-
and
it
just
I-
I
just
think
that
so
this
is
the
next
logical
step,
since
we
just
dealt
with
the
sears
property
and
it
would
be
nice
to
to
go
ahead
and
and
add
this
portion
so
that
there's
a
clear
understanding
of
what
that
that
that
vision
is
going
forward
and
and
and
not
delayed
anymore.
Who
knows,
someone
might
may
come
in
with
a
larger
proposal,
and
it
would
really
be
nice
to
have
this
urban
form
in
place
on
these
adjacent
parcels
as
well.
That
was
my
only
comment.
A
Okay,
if
there
are
no
other
comments
from
the
commission,
I
will
open
public
comment.
I
do
want
to
make
one
comment
before
I
do
that
so
public
comment,
if
we're
accepting
any
live,
would
be
limited
to
10
minutes
or
excuse
me
three
minutes
for
an
individual
or
up
to
10
minutes
if
you're,
representing
three
or
more
individuals.
So
at
six
o'clock,
I'll
open
public
comment.
I
N
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
My
name
is
eric
fisher
and
I
am
a
resident
of
the
kennel
worth
neighborhood.
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
multiple
residents
in
our
neighborhood,
but
I
will
try
to
stay
within
my
three
minutes.
I
will
speak
quickly.
I
am
concerned,
or
I
should
say
we
are
concerned
about
the
urban
place
plan
specifically
and
general
over
development.
N
In
particular,
I
understand
the
city's
desire
to
increase
development
throughout
the
city
to
maximize
the
revenues
they
receive
and
to
maximize
the
tax
base.
I
know
they,
you
know
limited
on
infill
spaces
and
you
know,
but
they're
catering
to
the
developers
and
ignoring
the
concerns
of
the
residents
of
the
city,
where
the
voters
were
the
taxpayers
and
the
city's
already
being
over
developed
and
is
losing
the
natural
environment.
That
is
a
major
part
of
the
appeal
of
the
city.
N
By
continuing
to
allow
this
type
of
rezoning
and
impactful
urban
development,
they
are
failing
their
citizens
and
continuing
to
destroy
the
beauty
of
the
city.
The
majority
of
residents
of
the
kennel
work
neighborhood
are
not
within
close
enough
proximity
to
receive
notices
of
all
of
the
proposed
projects
that
the
commission
does
here.
N
The
funding
and
zoning
approves,
but
the
city
does
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
getting
word
out
to
all
the
residents,
but
they
also,
more
importantly,
need
to
put
on
into
the
impact
of
all
these
intensive
developments,
in
particular
the
infrastructure
which
was
mentioned,
the
stormwater
and
the
sediment
runoff
from
these
high-intensity
projects.
We've
already
seen
that
the
city,
unfortunately,
is
incapable
of
enforcing
the
state
and
federal
regulations,
as
well
as
even
enforcing
their
own
conditions
of
approval
that
they
put
on
projects.
N
I've
seen
this
firsthand
on
tunnel
road
recent
developments,
major
runoff
events
that
have
occurred
during
rainfall,
the
sediment
runs
down
into
the
ross
creek
down
into
the
lake,
and
it's
just
where
the
sediment
remains,
and
it
builds
up
over
time
in
the
creek.
N
It's
caused
major
issues
for
the
life
of
the
entire
ecosystem,
the
animals,
the
fish,
the
birds
that
come
and
migrate.
It's
been
an
issue.
We've
brought
to
the
attention
of
the
city
many
times
over
the
years
ross
creek
watershed
development
has
adversely
affected
the
entire
ecosystem.
It's
polluted
the
waters
reduced
the
permeable
land
area
modified
the
environment,
fills
the
creek,
build
the
lake.
In
fact,
the
lake
was
25
larger
when
it
was
initially
formed.
N
N
We've
documented
these
activities,
we've
spoken
with
state
city,
county
officials,
there's
been
private
and
public
development
that
has
caused
heavy
damage
to
the
creek
in
the
lake
they
on
occasion
will
send
out
an
officer
county
erosion
control
officers
will
go
out;
they
make
site
visits,
they
will
often
issue
notice
of
violation
or
stop
work
orders,
but
it's
insufficient
because
it's
after
the
fact
there's
been
no
remediation
for
all
of
the
violations.
All
the
sediment
runoff
events
that
have
road
into
the
creek
and
into
the
lake.
N
The
bottom
line
is
it's
unacceptable.
For
too
long,
these
private
developers
have
treated
the
creek
and
the
lake
as
a
dumping
ground.
For
all
their
sediments
three.
H
A
Thank
you,
mr
two.
Thank
you,
mr
fisher.
I
do
appreciate
your
your
comments.
Mr
satbika,
you
have
your
hand
raised.
L
Sorry,
thank
you.
I'd
just
like
to
respond
to
a
couple
of
mr
fischer's
comments:
they're
they're,
they're,
good
and
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
them.
First
about
the
concern
about
ignoring
residents.
We
we
worked
intensively
with
the
coalition
for
asheville
neighborhoods
and
we
have
their
support.
They.
They
supported
this
project
as
it
went
to
city
council
in
working
through
with
them.
We
reduced
the
building
heights
to
acknowledge
their
concern
about
shadows
and
views.
L
That
was
our
probably
the
biggest
change
that
we
made
with
them.
I
hear
your
concern
about
the
environment.
We've
also
been
working
with
a
tree
commission
and
and
we'll
we'll
be
bringing
in
some
some
language
through
the
tree
preservation
ordinance
that
will
refer
to
the
urban
place,
zoning
district
that
will
create
a
higher
requirement
for
tree
canopy
in
urban
urban
centers
sort
of
tangential
to
this.
L
It's
not
happening
now,
but
just
to
let
you
know
that
it's
coming
and
as
far
as
storm
water,
our
department
planning
urban
design
also
has
an
ordinance
that
is
looking
at
this
again,
not
as
part
of
this,
because
it's
separate,
but
through
an
open
space
initiative
that
will
seriously
increase
the
amount
of
stormwater
that
is
captured
on
large
redevelopment
sites,
exactly
like
what
we
see
in
the
mall.
So
we
are,
we
are
doing
other
things
that
that
will
address
your
concerns.
L
Mr
fisher,
and
I
appreciate
you
making
the
comment
they
just
some
of
them
will
come
at
a
later
time.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
mr
sapika,
and,
and
I
would
add
to
mr
fisher-
I
do
appreciate
your
comments.
You
know.
Certainly
I
would
say
that
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
we're
we're
working
to
bring
some
of
this
rezoning,
especially
with
regard
to
urban
place.
A
D
I'd
just
like
to
say
thank
you,
mr
fischer,
for
calling
in
and
first
of
all,
mr
sapka
and
the
planning
department.
I
really
appreciate
your
efforts
here,
but
I
I
do
share
a
lot
of
concerns
that
mr
fisher
raised
with
the
stormwater
stuff,
and
I
know
that's
not
necessarily
this
project
or
this
thing
we're
dealing
with
right
now.
But
that
is
a
huge
concern
for
me.
Just
I've
seen
firsthand
where
that's
been
eroded
and
as
an
angler
and
a
canoeing
person
and
a
person
who
enjoys
the
waterways
here.
D
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
amount
of
erosion
and
sediment
being
dumped
into
the
waters
and
that's
just
for
public
record.
I
know
that.
I'm
sorry,
if
I'm
going
on
a
tangent
here
that
that's
not
necessarily
contributing
to
this
particular
issue
at
the
moment,
but
I
just
wanted
to
support
what
mr
fischer
said.
A
L
I'm
sorry
I
keep
doing
that.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
faircloth.
Just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
to
the
nuance
here.
We
are
somewhat
limited
in
in
how
much
we
can
control
stormwater
because
of
state
statute,
and
so
we
will
be
bringing
you
an
ordinance.
L
I
believe
we're
scheduled
for
december
for
a
wording,
amendment
for
open
space
that
will
have
a
creative
solution
to
specifically
this
issue.
So
hang
tight.
It's
coming.
E
E
I
tell
you,
I
moved
to
approve
the
rezoning
request
for
phase
two
properties
that
include
approximately
128
acres
of
property
from
regional
business,
rb,
river
riv,
residential
multifamily,
high
density
district,
rm16
and
residential
single
family,
medium
density,
district
rs4
to
urban
place,
form
up
district
and
find
that
the
proposed
rezoning
is
reasonable
in
the
public
interest
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
planned
plan
and
aligned
with
development
developmental
needs
of
the
community.
B
B
G
A
A
Okay,
we
will
move
on
to
the
ministerial
public
hearings,
just
a
quick
note
on
these,
so
both
of
these
next
two
items
are
level
two
items.
They
are
both
in
the
downtown
area,
the
central
business
district
of
downtown.
Essentially,
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
acts
as
a
as
a
ministerial
technical
review.
So
any
public
comments
that
we
may
hear
need
to
be
based
solely
on
the
technical
merits
of
the
project,
not
on
design.
A
A
C
Thank
you,
chair
archibald,
so,
as
mr
archibald
has
indicated
this,
oh
I'm
sorry
hang
on
one
second,
my
there
we
go
there.
We
go.
This
next
item
on
your
agenda
is
the
first
of
your
ministerial
reviews
for
the
property
located
at
51
biltmore
avenue.
You
can
see
the
site
located
there
in
the
center
of
your
screen.
C
C
C
As
mr
archibald
had
indicated,
the
request
is
for
the
purpose
of
constructing
a
new
second
hotel
next
to
the
aloft
hotel,
and
in
order
to
do
that
now
in
the
city
of
asheville,
you
must
be
located
within
one
of
the
city's
hotel
overlay
zones,
and
so
you
can
see
the
map
on
the
right
shows.
The
overlay
zones
are
turned
on.
The
blue
is
the
designation
that
allows
small
or
large
hotels
or
really
hotels
of
any
size.
C
The
aerial
imagery
shows
the
site,
as
it's
currently
developed.
You
can
see
at
the
hotel
I
should
have
mentioned.
The
property
is
located
on
the
intersection
or
on
the
corner,
the
southwest
corner
of
aston
street
and
biltmore
avenue.
Here
this
is
the
the
loft
hotel,
and
then
you
have
the
city
parking
garage
here
and
kind
of
tucked
kind
of
inside
the
project,
so
in
2008
the
land
uses
that
came
before
council.
C
As
part
of
that
conditional
zoning
was
the
hotel
in
the
parking
garage,
but
it
was
definitely
proposed
to
be
three
condominiums,
so
there
was
a
third
future
building
that
would
be
constructed
at
a
later
date.
Not
unlike
the
conditional
zoning
amendment.
You
heard
earlier
you
when
you
know
specifically
what
you
want
to
construct.
That's
part
of
your
site
plan
approval
and
your
proposal,
but
there
could
be
some
future
development
that
comes
along
later,
so
it
this
level
two.
C
Is
that
future
development
that's
coming
in
now
it
will
be
the
third
condominium
that
was
contemplated
back
in
2008.,
so
the
development
is
consistent
with
what
was
approved
as
part
of
that
conditional
zoning.
So
an
amendment
to
the
conditional
zoning
is
not
required.
We're
just
basically
completing
the
vision
that
was
adopted
as
part
of
that
conditional
zoning.
C
The
new
hotel
will
fill
the
this
void
area
if
you're
familiar
with
biltmore
avenue.
You've
probably
recognized
that
I'm
going
to
switch
screens
here
really
quickly
and
show
you
the
site
as
it
is
today.
This
is
that
void
that
I
was
just
pointing
out
on
the
aerial
image
the
hotel
will
be
located
here
and
it's
it's
unique
in
that
it
will
go
up
and
then
over
the
structure
that
you
see
here.
So
if
we
go,
we
exit
to
the
street
view.
You
can
kind
of
see,
I
think,
that's
part
of
the
parking
garage.
H
C
Go
back
to
my
presentation,
so
the
the
building-
it
will
be
a
condominium.
It
is
technically
classified
as
a
building
edition,
but
it's
going
to
be
reviewed
as
a
standalone
level.
Two.
It
is
a
new,
separate
hotel,
but
it
will
be
connected
to
the
existing
structure
through
some
shared
amenity
space
with
the
the
existing
aloft
hotel.
C
Most
of
these
most
of
the
commission
members
will
either
participated
or
will
recall
the
city's
adoption
of
the
hotel
standards
that
created
the
overlay
zoning
in
order
those
standards
provided
an
option
for
hotels
to
bypass
the
conditional
zoning
review
process
and
be
reviewed
as
level
twos.
If
they
achieved
two
things.
One
is
that
well.
C
C
A
copy
of
your
technical
review
staff
report
was
included
in
your
packets,
but
the
proposal
is
for
a
multi-story,
45
000
square
foot
hotel.
It
will
be
eight
stories
tall,
approximately
74
feet,
115
hotel
rooms,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
it
will
be
connected
to
the
existing
hotel
through
some
shared
amenity
areas.
There
will
also
be
a
ground
level,
cafe
lobby
area
that
folks
will
be
able
to
enter
into
the
hotel
from
from
the
street
from
biltmore
avenue.
C
C
That
would
be
better
supported
by
closing
the
alley
to
vehicular
access,
so
that
would
require
placing
off-street
loading
on
the
street,
probably
in
front
of
the
driveway,
the
existing
driveway,
since
that
would
no
longer
be
needed.
This
has
not
yet
been
approved
by
the
technical
review
staff,
so
it's
not
being
presented
to
you
today,
but
should
that
alternative
be
approved,
then
that
will
be
wrapped
up
in
the
the
final
review
of
those
technical
plans
before
construction
permitting
the
site.
Work
will
also
include
the
relocation
of
the
existing
shelter.
C
So
that's
not
an
ideal
location
for
for
either
party,
so
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
relocate
it
just
slightly
to
the
south
still
in
front
of
their
project,
but
just
not
in
front
of
the
door,
and
then
the
parking
requirement
will
be
satisfied
through
some
parking
spaces
that
had
already
been
set
aside,
as
as
part
of
that
original
conditional
zoning
that
are
in
the
existing
parking
structure,
so
that
requirement
will
also
be
satisfied.
C
I'm
going
to
just
quickly
go
through
the
building
elevations
and
some
of
the
perspective
views.
These
were
looked
at
more
thoroughly
during
the
design
review
process,
but
I
thought
it
would
be
something
that
you
all
could
be
interested
in.
C
C
You
can
tell
that
the
character
is
a
little
bit
different.
It's
meant
to
be
distinct
from
the
existing
structure.
It
is
a
separate
hotel,
as
I
mentioned
so
it
having
it
be
distinct,
is
both
beneficial
from
a
design
standpoint,
but
also,
even
probably
just
for
public
perception.
You
know
it's
more
easy
to
recognize
that
it's
a
separate
building
with
a
separate
entrance.
C
C
You
can
see
you
just
see
this
one
little
piece
of
the
new
construction.
What
is
here
today
is
the
the
relatively
new
apartments
that
were
added
as
an
infill
project
and
then
rounding
it
out
the
view
from
aston
on
the
from
the
north.
You
can
again
see
how
the
project
goes
up
and
over
that,
as
kind
of
that
saddle
with
the
hotel
rooms
and
then
the
perspective
views.
I
think
you
know,
do
a
nice
job
of
kind
of
showing
how
the
project
fits
in
with
the
existing
context.
C
So
there's
your
view.
Looking
northwest
looking
northeast,
that's
the
alley
down
here
running
in
between
the
project
and
the
adjacent
stone,
building
from
baltimore
avenue,
looking
south,
so
that's
the
front
of
the
building
and
from
the
avenue
looking
north,
and
that
is
the
correct
location
of
the
transit
shelter,
but
the
character
of
that
shelter's
changed
I'll,
explain
that
here
again
in
a
little
bit.
C
So
as
a
level
two,
the
project
went
for
technical
review
back
in
may
and
it
was
approved
with
conditions
we
because
it's
in
our
downtown.
It
also
goes
before
the
downtown
commission.
They
no
longer
perform
the
design
review
function,
however,
so
they
just
hear
the
project
and
they
offer
any
any
feedback
that
they
may
offer
gets
carried
to
the
design
review
committee
for
their
consideration.
C
That
was
reviewed
and
approved
on
september
16th.
The
committee
did
approve
the
project
with
conditions,
so
they
didn't
require
that
it
comes
back
to
them
for
any
kind
of
re-review.
They
didn't
have
that
level
of
concern
so
when
they
approve
it
with
conditions,
they
just
expect
staff
to
kind
of
follow
up
and
make
sure
that
those
conditions
are
addressed
before
construction
permits
are
issued.
C
It
was
also
discussed
that
a
a
more
congruous
transit
shelter
so
something
that's
more
architecturally
compatible
with
that
industrial
character
be
considered
as
opposed
to
the
the
older
shelter
that
is
out
there
today.
It's
just,
I
think
the
sentiment
was
such
a
shame.
It's
such
a
nice
new
building.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
a
transit
shelter.
That
was
more
reflective
of
that
it
was
not.
I
don't
know
if
it
was
an
oversight
or
what
or
what
exactly.
C
But
it
was
not
explicitly
included
in
the
motion
with
the
conditions,
but
it
was
definitely
discussed
and
the
applicant
has
responded
to
those
conditions.
So
you
can
see
the
image
in
the
upper
right
shows
that
new,
more
architecturally
compatible
transit,
shelter
that
they
are
proposing.
Our
trans
transportation
staff
are
currently
and
public
works.
Staff
are
currently
reviewing
this
and
it
seems
like
they're
they're
comfortable
with
it,
and
so
this
will
probably
be
the
new
transit
shelter
and
then
regarding
the
the
interest
and
relief
along
the
facade
that
it
butts
the
alley.
C
The
applicant
has
also
responded
and
has
provided
this
image
in
the
lower
left-hand
corner.
It's
a
little.
It's
probably
a
little
bit
hard
to
tell
from
your
screens,
but-
and
maybe
the
applicant
can
kind
of
speak
to
what
that
treatment
is,
but
they're
offering
a
little
texture
to
that
efus
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
a
scoring
or
an
etching
of
some
kind
or
if
it's
something
else
but
I'll.
Let
them
explain
that
the
other
conditions
were
just
to
explore
site
lighting
explore
best
practices
for
street
trees.
C
The
city
is
currently
working
with
certain
stakeholders
in
our
community
about
new
details
for
street
tree
planting,
so
we'll
probably
rely
on
that
expertise
and
and
those
discussions
in
order
to
kind
of
help
guide,
what's
appropriate
here,
more
than
likely
will
involve
the
use
of
silva
cells
or
something
along
that
those
lines
and
then
site
lighting.
I
think
we'll
just
work
closely
with
the
architect
to
ensure
that
there's
adequate
sight
lighting
it's
it's
rare
that
a
building
in
our
downtown
is
not
adequately
lit,
but
we
will
double
check
that
before
permits
are
issued.
C
So
in
conclusion,
staff
finds
that
all
the
technical
standards
have
been
or
able
to
be
satisfied
and
we
do
comfortably
recommend
approval.
We
think
it's
a
good
project,
it's
a
good
addition
and
we
look
forward
to
its
construction
at
this
time.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
know
the
applicant
and
some
of
their
team
members
are
here
as
well.
They
may
have
some
additional
information
to
add.
A
Thank
you,
miss
tuck,
any
questions
from
the
commission
at
this
moment.
B
C
So
our
sidewalks
have
to
be
10
feet
wide,
and
one
of
the
reasons
we
make
them
so
wide
is
so
that
there's
plenty
of
room
for
other
street
furniture
like
transit,
shelters,
benches
street
trees,
things
like
that,
so
it
will
definitely
be
ada
accessible.
That
is
a
federal
requirement.
There's
no
way
around
it.
Our
transportation
staff
will
also
be
reviewing
the
shelter
if
they
haven't
already.
For,
like
wheelchair
accessibility,
you
have
to
be
able
to
kind
of
wheel
in
and
under
shelter.
C
So
some
of
the
old
traditional
designs
that
we
may
be
familiar
with
are
no
longer
permitted
because
they
don't
adequately
meet
accessibility
needs.
So
I
I
feel
comfortable
saying
that
this
will
be
fully
ada
compliant.
B
K
I
shouldn't
I
got,
I
guess
I
got
cut
off
there
for
a
second,
you
didn't
mention
hotel
plus.
Are
they
going
to
add
the
condos
in
the
back
like
existing
a
loft
hotel.
H
Yes,
I
was
wondering
about
this
alley.
I
see
the
images
cut
off
in
the
slide,
but
I
I
remember
from
the
plans
that
was
going
to
be
a
bar,
I
believe,
on
the
side
of
the
building,
so
I
know
from
other
projects.
H
C
Yeah,
so
we
have
a
meeting
tomorrow
with
the
applicants,
representatives
and
staff
myself
and
staff
from
our
public
works
and
transportation
departments
to
discuss
this.
The
the
concern
the
proposal
was
never
to
close
the
alley
just
to
block
vehicular
access
to
the
alley,
so
the
intent
was
always
to
keep
the
alley
open,
but
to
prioritize
pedestrian
and
bike
movement
as
opposed
to
vehicular
movement.
C
However,
that
is
a
little.
There
are
some
concerns
related
to
that
we
do
rely
heavily
on
our
alleys
to
provide
off-street
loading
and
access
to
these
commercial
properties.
So
that
was
one
concern.
Additionally,
the
applicant
as
part
of
their
overall
plan
would
have
to
have
an
accessible
for
their
ideal
plan.
They
would
have
to
have
an
accessible
walkway
in
that
alley
in
order
to
reach
an
exterior
entrance
that
I
believe
accesses
in
the
elevator,
maybe
to
the
rooftop
or
to
other
parts
of
the
hotel.
C
That
walkway
would
be
a
permanent
encroachment
in
the
alley.
That's
also
a
concern,
so
it's
not
that
these
concerns
can't
potentially
be
overcome.
We
just
don't
know
what
that
solution
might
be
just
yet
or
whether
or
not
there
is
a
solution
that
can
work
for
everybody.
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
for
the
meeting
tomorrow
to
kind
of
explore
that
further,
but
that's
a
technical,
off-site
improvement
from
you
know
the
idea
of
improving
the
alley
for
pedestrian
use,
there's
certainly
no
problem
with
that.
C
It's
really
just
the
other
consequence
of
of
losing
that
vehicular
off-street
loading
and
the
the
potential
encroachment
that
that
could
be.
You
know
what
stops
us
from
happening,
but
the
alley
will
definitely
remain
open
either
way.
It
just
might
look
a
little
bit
different.
E
C
Right,
so
this
is
a
ministerial
review,
which
means
we're
looking
at
the
project's
ability
to
comply
with
the
technical
standards.
Only
so
consistency
with
the
comprehensive
plan
concerns
about
traffic
other
off-site
improvements,
public
benefits
other
than
what
is
required
by
the
ordinance
that
that
is
all
things
that
we
typically
take
up
with
conditional
zonings
where
we
have
a
legislative
hearing.
C
C
So
normally
these
discussions
go
quickly,
but
this
is
one
of
the
first
of
these
projects
that
involves
the
hotel,
that
is
bypassing
the
conditional
zoning
process.
So
I
thought
it
would
be
something
you
know
that
was
worth
providing
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
this
hearing
for
you
all,
since
you
were
also
involved
in
that
process
as
well.
A
Thanks
yeah,
I
was
curious
about
that
that
alley
as
well
to
you
know-
and
I
appreciate
commissioner
levi
for
bringing
it
up,
but
you
know
I
think
if
it
was
you
know
to
come
before,
and
I
know
the
whole
process
for
for
closing.
Closing
these
alleys
may
or
may
not
end
up
having
to
go
through
a
multimodal.
But
you
know
multimodal
transit
has
had
a
lot
of
discussions
about.
You
know
alley
closures
and
things
and
they
typically
are
closing
an
alley.
A
So
the
developer
has
more
land
in
this
case,
closing
it
for
vehicular
traffic
to
make
it
more
pedestrian
friendly,
I
think,
would
be
a
win-win
for
everyone.
Obviously,
there
needs
to
be.
You
know
some
allowance,
for
you
know
off-site
off-street
loading
and
things
like
that
and
again,
that's
that's
another
technical
thing
that
that
would
certainly
be
dealt
with
at
the
staff
level.
A
So,
but
I
appreciate
the
at
least
desire
for
the
developer
to
look
at
that,
because
I
think
having
that
as
more
pedestrian
oriented
it
already
is
pedestrian
oriented,
but
enhancing
that,
I
think,
would
be
a
great
benefit
so
yeah,
mr
rodriguez,
did
you
have
a.
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
in
the
downtown
commission,
we
really
did
talk
about
making
that
much
more
of
a
potentially
friendly
cut
through.
So
that's
and
I
believe
that's
been-
I've
dealt
with
as
much
as
they
can
at
this
point.
So.
O
O
We
also
have
a
franchise.
That's
coming
out
of
marriott
marriott
franchises.
The
aloft
hotel
in
this
new
hotel,
which
will
be
a
relatively
new
brand
published
by
marriott,
called
moxie,
has
a
very
unique
presentation
itself
and
marriott
is
extremely
excited
about
this
design,
they've
already,
given
us
their
initial
input
and
they're
totally
on
board
with
our
design
concepts.
O
It's
unusual
that
we
have
such
a
consensus
going
on,
and
I
appreciate
staff's
recommendation
for
approval,
but
shannon
did
a
great
job
explaining
what
we're
trying
to
do.
The
only
part
that
she
might
have
missed
would
be
a
feature
restaurant
on
the
top
level
of
the
hotel
that
will
have
open
terraces
facing
out
across
lexington
and
lots
of
glass
with
views
looking
at
the
mountains
in
all
different
directions
beyond
it
will
not
be
a
named
restaurant
by
marriott
or
by
moxie.
O
It
will
be
a
unique
restaurant
themed
to
fit
this
appropriate
location
and
atmosphere
and
that'll
be
a
special
place
that
we
anticipate
a
lot
of
non-hotel
guests
participating
in
something
special
for
this
particular
location,
but
shannon.
Thank
you
for
a
great
presentation.
A
I
A
E
A
D
G
B
A
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
lindsay
and
miss
tuck.
A
N
N
P
So,
yes,
it's
probably
been
a
couple
of
years
since
I've
been
in
front
of
pnz,
and
so
some
of
you
don't
even
know
who
I
am,
but
I
I
work
with
vadilla
in
long-range
planning
and
I
have
been
working
with
the
design
review
process
and
the
design
review
committee
since
that
started.
So
I'm
taking
a
couple
of
projects
to
help
so
shannon
doesn't
have
to
be
just
a
one-person
show.
So
this
project
is
217
hillyard,
it's
a
level
two,
it's
a
ministerial
review.
P
This
project
is
between
ashland
and
grove
street
along
hilliard
avenue,
and
they
there.
Currently
there
is
an
existing
historic
house
in
a
parking
lot
and
this
project
won't
be.
You
know,
touching
the
historic
house.
Basically,
this
whole
site
is
about
a
quarter
of
an
acre
and
they
are
carving
off
or
closer
to
a
half,
acre,
sorry
and
they're,
carving
off
the
parking
lot
and
a
little
bit
of
a
notch
here.
For
about
0.18
acre
for
development.
P
And
here's
the
site
plan.
So
basically,
this
is
a
33
000
square
foot,
building
five
stories,
80
residential
units-
they
are
micro
units,
so
each
unit
is
around
between.
Like
eight
excuse
me
180
to
250
square
feet,
there
might
be
a
couple
of
larger
units.
I
mean
each
floor,
has
a
shared
laundry
kitchen,
lounge
and
storage
area,
there's
bicycle
storage
in
this
building,
but
no
vehicle
parking
and
there
is
no
parking
required
in
the
cbd
for
non-hotel
projects
and
that's
been
a
long-standing
standard.
Since
the
udo
was
adopted.
P
Also
in
this
site
plan
you'll
see
there
is
a
brand
new
10-foot
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
building,
which
is
a
great
addition
currently
out
there.
The
sidewalk
is
probably
about
two
feet
wide
and
they
are
also
extending
that
sidewalk
all
the
way
to
grove
street
in
front
of
the
house,
the
side
of
the
house
to
eight
feet
so
they're
they're
fully
complying
with
our
sidewalk
requirements
and
there's
going
to
be
a
slight
restriping
of
hillyard
and
will
maintain
in
a
5
maintain
a
5
foot
bike.
Lane
westbound
and
11
foot
travel
length.
P
They
have
tree
canopy
preservation
areas
equal
to
five
percent
of
the
lot
area
and
they're
paying
a
fee
in
lieu
for
the
other
five
percent,
so
in
cbd
for
anybody
who's,
I
think
most
of
you
know
we
don't
have
building
impact
landscaping
and
there's
no
parking
lot
to
to
buffer.
That's
just
simply
street
trees.
Here.
P
P
P
That's
right!
Yes,
and
then
this
is
the
east
elevation,
so
this
would
be
the
face
facing
the
hot
spot.
Gas
station
convenience
store
there,
and
this
is
a
short
you
know.
Screening
wall,
that
screens
these
residential
units
there
and
then
I
just
included
like
shannon
I'm
following
shannon's
lead
here,
included
the
building
renderings
that
they
that
were
reviewed
by
the
design
review
committee.
P
This
mural
has
not
been
decided
upon
yet
so
that's
for
future
consideration
for
them.
We
don't
really
have
standards
for
murals
at
this
point
as
long
as
they
are
not
violating
the
sign
ordinance
by
advertising
a
business
within
you
know,
murals
are
allowed
in
asheville
that
included
the
materials
just
in
case
you're
interested.
P
You
know
around
tree
planting
practices,
lighting
and
preserving
granite
curb,
so
there
is
granite
curb
in
front
of
this
project,
and
I
think
I
misstated
this
design
review.
But
when
you
have
granite
curb
in
a
project
you
have
to,
you
have
to
put
it
back
in
the
cbd
parts
of
it.
It's
not
clear
if
it's
missing
or
buried
under
pavement,
but
so
that's
you
know
an
issue
that
we'll
go
through
in
final
trc.
P
A
B
Thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
questions.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
this
is
going
in
like
the
parking
lot
in
between
the
hot
spot
and
the
house
right,
correct,
okay,
thank
you
and
then
can
you
tell
me
about
the
sidewalks
again
right
now,
they're
two
feet.
I
know
they're,
really
small.
I've
literally
just
walked
on
those
like
a
week
ago,
and
I
was
like
man,
this
isn't
bad
and
then
can
you
tell
me
how
how
they're
going
to
improve.
P
Sure
so
the
sidewalk
standard
in
downtown
is
for
10
foot
sidewalk.
So
for
the
frontage
of
this
new
lot
here
from
the
parcel
line
to
the
you
know,
parcel
line,
they
are
making
a
10-foot
sidewalk.
P
There's
a
historic
wall
here
as
well,
and
so
in
front
of
that
and
part
of
that
wall
will
be
kind
of
lost
a
small
part
of
it.
I
think
here,
but
the
remainder
of
the
sidewalk
to
grove
street
will
be
an
eight-foot
sidewalk.
B
B
P
B
P
A
All
right
are
there
any
other
initial
questions
or
comments
from
commission
members.
F
Good
evening,
chair
and
members
of
the
board
warren
sugg
with
civil
design
concepts,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
to
be
on
the
hearing
tonight.
Thank
you,
sasha
for
giving
the
presentation
she
did
a
great
job,
I'll
just
touch
on
a
couple
things,
and
I'm
also
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
brian
cook,
with
mcmillan
hasson
smith,
to
give
a
little
more
in
depth
on
the
architecture.
F
I'm
I'm
also
joined
by
scott
shapiro
and
david
mortz,
who
are
the
clients
and
the
developers
on
the
project,
but
we're
very
excited
about
the
project.
I
think
it
is
a
great
infield
project
that,
as
mentioned,
is,
is
taking
a
parking
lot
and
making
much
needed
housing
in
that
spot,
and
we
are
able
to
do
some
improvements
with
the
the
sidewalk
and
street
trees
as
well
as
that
re-striping
that
sasha
was
talking
about.
F
We
were
able
to
speak
with
ken
putnam
on
a
few
weeks
ago
and
get
a
better
sort
of
alignment
through
that
area.
So
I'm
very
excited
about
the
project
available
for
any
questions
you
have
from
the
from
the
civil
perspective
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
brian
and
let
him
touch
on
any
architecture.
Things.
Q
Yeah,
thank
you.
Warren
yeah.
This
is
our
brian
cook
with
mcmillan
passing
smith
architecture,
and
I
thank
you
all
for
for
reviewing
this
today
and
sasha.
Yes,
second
warren's
comments.
Thank
you
for
your
your
your
presentation
on
this
yeah.
I
mean
this.
This
we're
excited
about
this
project.
It's
all
you
know
it's!
It's
all
rental
apartments,
it's
it's
a
new
type
of
rental
option!
Q
That's
coming
to
asheville
and
and
we're
just
excited
to
see,
see,
go
up
and
see
how
it
can
provide
to
to
the
people
of
our
community
and
I'm
happy
to
also
ask
any
or
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
have.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
sugg
and
and
mr
cook
very
much.
I
know
there
was
one
comment
in
the
trc
and
I
I
noted
it
as
well
about
the
trash
service.
Have
you
or
can
you
just
kind
of
explain,
what's
what's
happening
with
that.
Q
Yeah,
so
trash
collection
will
all
be
within
the
building
and
sasha.
If
you
go
back
to
that,
the
elevation
on
hillyard
sure.
Q
Yeah,
so
that
so
that
that
that
door,
where
they
were
where
they
were
the
arrows,
pointing
that
is
a
a
glass
overhead
door
that
will
be
screened
but
behind
that
is,
is
our
trash
room.
That's
internal
to
the
building
and
we'll
be
working
with
a
tr
with
a
trash
service
that
will
come
and
collect
from
the
street,
so
bins
will
be,
will
be
rolled
out
from
from
that
overhead
door
to
the
to
the
curb
and
collection
will
be
what
happened.
Q
We
don't
have
all
we're,
not
sure
yet
it
may
be.
It
may
be
the
typical
city
of
asheville
bins,
maybe
a
smaller.
Like
four
yard.
You
know
larger
bin
that
gets
rolled
out,
but
but
we
we
haven't
gotten
all
the
details
yet
of
who,
who
we'll
be
working
with
for
trash
collection,
but
once
we
have
that
those
details
we'll
be
able
to
provide
that.
A
Okay,
I
just
I
have
a
kind
of
curious
question:
do
you
know
what
the
or
has
the
owner
kind
of
know
what
the
rents
are
proposed
to
be.
Q
Not
not
specifically
at
the
moment
I
mean
it's,
you
know
it's
only
based
on
you
know
what
the
market
is
at
the
time
of
opening,
but
but
what
we
can
say
is
that
these
these
these
will
most
likely
meet
a
a
an
affordable
area
or
a
a
workforce
area
of
rental
that
is
lacking
in
the
city.
K
I
just
wanted
to
join.
I
may
have
missed
it,
but
is
there
a
certain
amount
of
them
that
needs
to
be
affordable
or
just
that's
out
of
the
scope
of
how
many
apartments
they
have.
A
Perhaps
miss
vertinsky.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
there's
really
no
requirement
as
far
as
level.
Two
in
this
particular
case.
P
That's
correct,
I
mean
in
north
carolina,
we
don't
have
inclusionary
zoning,
so
we
can't
require
it.
If
I
don't
know-
and
you
know
it's
always
an
option
to
pursue
a
land
use
incentive
grant
with
the
city
where,
if
the
city,
if
you
come
to
an
agreement
and
city
council,
approves
it,
there
would
probably
be
a
percentage
of
units
affordable
for
probably
usually
around
20
years,
but
that
hasn't
happened
yet
with
this
party
and
it's
kind
of
a
separate
decision
from
the
zoning
permit.
F
J
K
Can
pursue
that
on
their
own,
but
they
have
not
yet
correct.
A
Yeah,
this
is
probably
one
of
the
few
housing
projects
that
we
have
seen
lately
that
that
would
not,
you
know,
fall
under
you
know
some
kind
of
affordable
housing
or
at
least
be
proposing
it.
So
there
are
no
other
comments
or
questions
at
the
moment.
I'll
go
ahead
and
open
up
for
public
comment
at
6,
55.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
two.
Any
other
further
discussion
among
the
commissioners.
G
I'd
just
like
to
point
out
one
thing:
if
the
site
is
one
is
.18
acres
and
we're
providing
80
units
of
housing
that
calculates
about
440
units
per
acre,
which
is
amazing,
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out,
because
when
you
look
at
this
elevation,
that
level
of
density,
which
would
raise
certainly
raise
alarm
bells
on
any
project,
is
not
scary.
When
you
look
at
it,
this
is
a
great
project
that
clearly
satisfies
all
the
technical
conditions
and
unless
there's
other
discussion,
I'd
be
happy
to
make
a
motion.
A
Yeah,
just
real
real,
quick
commissioner
bart
yeah,
I
would
you
know,
imagine
trying
to
put
440
units
per
acre
on,
I
don't
know,
say
charlotte
street.
A
Was
the
commissioner
faircloth
or
okay?
Sorry
about
that
all
right,
we'll
do
another
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
rodriguez.
E
E
H
B
P
A
That
wraps
up
tonight's
agenda.
Unless
there
is
anything
else,
I
would
like
to
make
a
a
comment.
I'm
glad
mr
rodriguez
was
able
to
come
back
one
more
time.
Don't
know
if
he'll
be
back
again,
but
thank
you
guillermo
for
you
know
filling
in
one
last
time.