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B
Good
afternoon,
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order,
it
is
402
p.m.
On
april,
14,
2022.
first
item
of
business
is
to
call
roll
call
and
I'll
start
with
the
vice
chairman,
david
brown,
president.
C
E
B
Hi
jeremy
goldstein
here
samantha
cole
and
jim
mcallister,
we
do
have
a
quorum,
so
we
can
begin
good
afternoon.
I'm
chair
darren,
green
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
april
14
2022
asheville
area
river
redevelopment
commission.
Meeting
purpose
of
the
aarrc
is
to
recommend
to
the
city
and
county
an
overall
policy
for
the
continued
development
and
sustainability
of
the
regional
riverfront.
B
Recommendations
to
the
city
and
county
for
effective
management
of
the
public
resources
for
the
districts
and
actively
pursues
and
assists
private
sector
investments
in
the
district.
The
commission
is
made
up
of
14
members
representing
the
city
of
asheville,
the
council
of
independent
business
owners,
riverlink
asheville
city
council,
buncombe,
county
commission
and
the
town
of
woodfin.
B
All
commission
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
pursuant
to
north
carolina
general
statute.
1668-19.24
f:
this
will
be
a
remote
meeting
which
public
can
access
by
any
of
the
following
means.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
B
The
meeting
code
number
is
9385
for
callers
to
call
in
and
listen
send
comments
by
email
to
riverfront
commission
april
14
public
input,
dot
com
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today
welcome
while
we
don't
have
the
minutes
to
review.
While
you
do
now,
they
were
sent
out
a
little
bit
later
this
afternoon,
but
we
wanted
to
give
you
time
to
review
those
and
to
make
sure
that
their
the
minutes
are
accurate
and
there
are
some
quotes
from
commissioners.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
those
are
representative
of
what
you
said.
B
So
please
take
a
minute.
You
can
find
those
minutes
linked
on
our
agenda
page
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
review
and
approve
those
next
month
was
there
any
public
comment
received
in
advance.
B
Thank
you.
We
are
moving
the
asheville
unpaved
presentation
by
mike
sewell
to
our
next
meeting,
excuse
me
and
until
our
june
meeting,
and
that
should
be
a
really
interesting
presentation
and
an
exciting
one.
B
We're
going
to
move
into
our
discussion
on
boards
and
commissions,
restructure
proposal,
steph
monsendoll
from
the
city
of
asheville
is
going
to
review
that,
and
then
we
can
have
a
discussion
regarding
that
and
I
also
sent
out
an
email
which
was
an
invitation
from
anybody
in
the
community,
especially
those
that
sit
on
commissions
and
boards
to
participate,
which
will
be
a
working
group.
B
That'll
occur
over
the
next
six
months
and
you'll
find
the
specifics
to
that
in
an
email
that
I
sent
you
this
afternoon,
steph
I'll
hand
the
it
off
to
you
now.
Thank
you.
H
Sorry,
maybe
I
just
missed
this,
but
did
we
skip
something
on
the
agenda
after
mike
school
or
no.
A
Yeah,
so
we're
we're
gonna
do
boards
and
commissions
first
and
then
we'll
have
lucy
talk
about
the
gap
plan,
okay,
so
just
wanna.
Let's
just
chat,
let's
just
chat
about
boards
and
commissions.
To
start
with.
This
is
helpful.
Actually
for
me
at
our
at
our
last
retreat
meeting.
We
didn't
really
get
to
do
our
get
to
know
you
section,
so
this
might
be
part
of
it.
A
A
E
G
E
A
D
A
So
can
you
give
us
what
has
your
experience
been?
Have
you
been
on
boards
that
have
both
been
high,
performing
and
low,
performing
or.
D
D
Strong
executive
director
access
to
subsidiary
staff,
if
needed,
but
mostly
supportive,
very
clear
communication,
verily
clearly
outlined
directives
given
so
the
board
would
say,
come
up
with
an
initiative
and
some
outcomes
that
they'd
hoped
like
some
deliverables
and
then
a
task
force
or
a
committee
would
take
it
up,
bring
it
back.
The
whole
board
would
review
and
it
moved
it's
pretty
efficient,
really.
I
On
the
riverlink
board
is
pretty
active
and
involved
and
in
the
same
way
you
know
has
a
lot
of
commitment
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
work
on
itself
and
does
a
lot
of
the
work,
because
the
staff
is
only
six
people
and
with
a
group
like
that,
with
a
huge
set
of
goals
and
plans
that
riverlink
has
you
have
to
have
a
lot
of
activity
from
the
board.
So
I
would
say,
was
really
very
active
and
good
board.
I
Well,
I
guess
you
know
when
we
have
our
board
meetings,
we
talk
about
the
things
that
need
to
be
done
and
board
members
really
aren't
supposed
to
be.
That
involved
with
with
staff
in
terms
of
you
know
not
giving
them
direction
or
anything
else,
but
collaborating
doing
things
that
that
add
to
the
effort
and
the
the
executive
committee
is
pretty
involved
as
well
to
to
help
you
know
kind
of
keep
things
focused
and
then
at
the
board
meetings.
I
I
Well,
I
mean
it
could
be
that
we
need
a
sub.
We
need
a
committee
to
talk
about
some
particular
project.
You
know
so
we've
recently
added
a
couple
of
different
committees
because
they
were
needed
and
they
may
be
forever,
but
sometimes
we
have
a
committee
that
comes
in
and
takes
takes
some.
You
know
and
delves
into
things,
take
some
action
and
comes
back
to
the
board
with
some
suggestions
and
then
those
three
or
four
people
that
are
also
still
always
on
the
board,
for
the
most
part,
maybe
did
their
work
and
they
move
on.
I
We
do
have
some
community
members
on
different
committees,
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
additional
information
that
they
might
be
able
to
offer
at
that
time
as
well.
G
Yes,
privilege
of
being
on
the
north
carolina
department
of
transportation
board
two
different
times
and
once
under
governor
martin
and
once
under
governor
mccoy,
and
that
was
a
lot
of
21
members.
We
had
divided
into
14
divisions.
I
had
the
13th
division
which
had
set
and
we
would
meet
monthly.
G
And
then
some
couple
of
times
a
month,
depending
on
how
many
you
would
be
on
we
huge
amount
of
staff
support,
it
worked
very
well.
G
A
Wow
yeah,
that's
that's
an
enormous
thing.
So
does
anybody
want
to
share
any
they
don't
have
to
name
the
board,
but
does
anyone
share
an
example
of
being
on
a
board
where
you
felt
frustrated
or
you
felt
like
things,
weren't
working
well
and
it's
okay?
If
it's
this
one.
D
I'll
share
sometimes
that
my
experience
was
the
younger
the
organization,
the
more
chaotic
it
was
on
the
board,
and
it
would
often
be
a
struggle
between
you
know,
understanding
what
the
board's
role
is
versus
the
ceo
or
director's
role
and
what's
operational
and
what's
a
board
role
and
and
when
that
stuff
wasn't
clear,
it
was
kind
of
chaotic.
It
would
be
like
conversations
about
how
businesses
should
be
run
day-to-day
or
something
like
how
personnel
issues
you
should
be.
F
Hey
steph,
I
don't
I
don't
mind
chipping
in
you
know.
I
served
a
board
for
an
organization
for
a
while
that
did
a
lot
of
really
good
things
and
kind
of
heroic
things,
but
also
struggled
on
and
honestly
that
it
wasn't
a
big
board.
So
the
the
biggest
issue
was
attendance.
F
So
when
we
had
people
that
didn't
show
up
or
weren't
accountable,
we
weren't
able
to
hold
quorum
and
we'd
have
to
reschedule
meetings
and
delay
initiatives,
and
it
was
that
that
was
incredibly
frustrating
to
have
folks
that
you
know
agreed
to
that
position
and
obviously
we're
volunteering
their
time.
But
when
they
weren't
able
to
show
up
it
really
put
the
brakes
on
a
lot
of
hard
work.
So
I
I
guess
I'd
share
that.
A
All
right
so
the
asheville
area,
riverfront
redevelopment
commission,
the
ordinance
for
the
commission,
was
passed
in
november
of
2009
and
the
first
meeting
of
this
group
was
in
may
of
2010.
leading
up
to
2009.
There
was
about
a
year
where
the
city,
through
the
leadership
of
then
city
manager,
gary
jackson,
laura
through
the
then
leadership
of
city
manager,
gary
jackson,
really
convened
a
group
of
people
to
talk
about
what
to
do.
Next
for
the
river,
the
wilma
dykman
riverway
master
plan
had
been
adopted
in
2004.
A
So
for
those
of
you
around
you'll,
remember
that
we
got
a
bunch
of
different
grants
and
from
the
state
whether
it
was
paths
through
from
fema
or
what
have
you
and
we
did
a
ton
of
work,
especially
in
the
biltmore
village
area
for
flood
resiliency,
and
we
also
looked
at
read
of
the
planning
department
of
the
city.
Looked
at
redevelopment
in
three
specific
areas
along
the
riverfront
one
of
them
actually
was
the
new
belt,
the
eventual
new
belgium
site.
A
I'm
going
to
read
you
this
letter
and
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
who
it's
from,
but
I
think
there'll
be
at
least
one
or
two
people
here
that
know
it's
from.
So
we
were
at
the
time
convening
a
group
of
maybe
10
or
15
people
who
really
wanted
to
be
at
the
table
and
talk
about
how
things
should
go,
and
this
is
a
letter
in
2009
that
someone
said.
A
Could
you
please
send
this
out
to
the
group
last
night
august
31st
mike
plemmons
executive,
director
of
the
council
of
independent
business
owners
or
sibo,
and
I
attended
the
steering
committee
for
the
new
riverfront
commission
at
the
chamber
of
commerce
building?
The
meeting
was
co-chaired
by
mayor
terry
bellamy
and
chairman
of
the
buncombe
county
commission,
david
gant.
A
The
purpose
of
this
meeting
was
to
put
the
finishing
touches
on
the
plan
to
implement
the
riverfront
commission,
whose
purpose
appears
to
be
to
coordinate
the
long-term
development
of
the
river
district
within
the
boundaries
of
the
wilma
dickman
plan,
which
encompasses
the
swananoa
and
the
french
fraud
within
buncombe
county
over
to
the
present
members
was
attached
for
your
information.
As
many
of
you
know,
monday
morning,
before
this
meeting,
there
was
a
meeting
that
was
called
of
riverfront
property
owners
and
businesses,
explain
the
plan
and
get
comments.
A
We
had
an
excellent
turnout
and
my
best
guess
is
that
we
had
between
65
and
75
people
in
attendance
city
manager.
Gary
jackson
did
an
excellent
job
of
facilitating
this
meeting,
which
resulted
in
well
thought
out
and
reasoned
questions
and
comments.
These
comments
were
transcribed
and
presented
to
mr
jackson.
To
the
afternoon
group.
A
There
was
a
perceptive
attitudinal
sea
changes.
I
don't
think
that
the
planning
group
had
taken
into
account
that
the
cooperation
of
the
river
property
owners
and
business
community
is
critical
to
the
success
of
that
plan
and
without
our
buy-in
nothing
of
significance
will
take
place.
They
were
very
interested
in
the
remarks
and
are
now
very
eager
to
work
with
us
to
make
this
happen.
The
most
significant
change
was
they
agreed
to
make
at
least
six
of
the
13
members
of
this
new
commission
to
be
either
business
or
property
owners
within
the
river
district.
A
My
opinion
of
this
was
if
there
was
ever
a
crucial
vote
on
something
affecting
us.
It
is
hard
to
believe
that
at
least
one
of
the
remaining
seven
members
would
not
support
the
property
owners.
It
was
also
agreed
that
one
of
the
members
would
be
a
city
council,
member
and
one
would
be
a
county.
Commissioner.
A
After
listening
to
the
morning
and
afternoon
discussions,
I
think
there's
a
possibility
that
we
could
all
greatly
benefit
from
this
program.
To
begin
with,
they
have
offered
us
a
resource
facilitator
who
will
help
us,
build
the
database
of
river
property
owners
and
do
the
very
difficult
work
of
providing
communication
and
information
to
us
river
rats.
A
This
means
that
if,
in
the
future,
the
river
rats
want
a
formal
organization,
the
leadership
will
not
be
stuck
with
having
to
do
all
the
time-consuming,
grunt
work
of
getting
out
the
word
to
our
organization,
and
we
will
have
people
more
willing
to
serve
on
our
group.
Secondly,
there
are
huge
pools
of
money
that,
from
time
to
time,
find
their
way
to
projects
like
this.
A
Both
mayor
bellamy
and
chairman
gant
were
very
clear
that
there's
no
money
right
now,
but
if
we
have
an
active
river
commission
and
money
came
along,
we
would
have
the
infrastructure
to
go
after
it.
Third,
there
is
a
program
available
that
allows
the
city
and
county
to
pay
for
certain
infrastructure
costs
to
help
the
developers
build
projects
and
the
taxes
from
these
new
projects
would
go
to
repay
the
city
and
county
instead
of
going
to
general
funds.
A
Fourth,
this
committee
could
be
influential
and
bringing
the
various
utilities
to
the
table
and
to
get
their
input,
help
and
future
development.
For
instance,
someone
pointed
out
that
norfolk,
southern
railroad
was
one
of
the
largest
property
holders
in
the
area,
and
none
of
us
have
ever
had
any
contact
or
input
from
them
on
river
development.
F
A
E
A
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know
was
the
original:
well,
not
the
original,
he
owned.
What
is
now
the
foundation
studios
that
you
all
visited
before
it
was
foundation
studios,
so
those
folks
purchased
it
from
robert
camille,
jerry
vihan,
jerry
vihan,
I'm
just
going
to
give
him
tons
of
shout
outs
and
props.
He
did
so
many
things
that
helped
spur
the
work
that
we
did
in
the
first
couple
years:
ben
teague
from
asheville
chamber
of
commerce
who
now
works
for
biltmore
farms,
ricky
silver.
A
So
we
were
just
talking
before
this
meeting
started
about
the
silver
line
park
so
10
years
ago,
ricky
silver.
He
became
the
second
chairman
of
the
riverfront
commission
and
he
served
on
it
for
his
two
terms:
jerry
sternberg
patty,
turno
carl.
I
hope
you
all
know
carl
he's
also
a
sibo
member
and
he
owns
his
family,
owns
a
lot
of
property
in
the
biltmore
village
area
and
joe
ferricus.
Do
you
guys
remember
joe
fricas?
A
Joe
farikas
was
one
of
the
owners
of
the
new
belgium
site,
so
he
owned
half
of
that
14
acres
and
worked
with
ben
teague
in
the
beginning
to
by
less
than
two
years
after
the
riverfront
commission
started.
New
belgium
announced
that
they
would
be
taking
over
that
site.
So
they
did
that
together
through
the
riverfront
commission,
miller
williams,
who
at
the
time
was
working
for
biltmore
farms.
A
A
The
riverfront
study
group
that
actually
worked
together
to
form
it
included
jerry
sternberg,
but
also
and
had
people
like
john
crichton,
was
on
that
group
and
wanda
green
sometimes
came,
and
I
want
to
say
margie
eblin
was
on
that
group,
so
that
was,
and
karen
karen
craig
dolan
was
on
that
group.
So
there
the
what
ended
up
happening
is
that
this.
This
group,
as
you
heard
from
jerry's
letter,
really
influenced
the
creation
of
this
commission
down
to
the
level
where
jerry
said.
A
A
Oh,
it's
not
going
to.
Let
me
do
that
so
I'm
going
to
instead
of
trying
to
fix
things
right
now,
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
keep
going.
A
So
if
you
were
to
go-
and
this
is
great
for
anybody-
general
information-
we
subscribe
to
a
system-
it's
called
municode
short
for
a
municipal
code
and
if
you
were
to
just
put
in
any
web
search
engine,
I'm
not
gonna
name,
one
in
particular:
munico
m-u-n-I
code,
asheville
you're
going
to
go
to
that
website
and
it's
basically
our
unified
development
ordinance
and
you
can
go
to
chapter
7
and
that's
our
development.
A
Section
and
you'll
find
everything
under
river
district
for
river
district
design
review,
because
it's
part
of
that
process
in
that
chapter,
seven
for
chapter
two,
that's
our
administrative
section!
So
almost
all
of
our
boards
and
commissions,
the
ordinances
for
them
are
in
chapter
2..
So
if
you
go
to
munico
nashville
and
you
click
on
that
and
you
go
into
chapter
code,
2
you're,
going
to
find
the
asheville
area,
riverfront
redevelopment
commission
and
what
you're
going
to
see
there
is
that
it
has
a
general
purpose.
A
It
outlines
what
the
general
purpose
is,
and
it's
very
vague.
It
just
says
that
it
would
be
beneficial
for
all
of
the
people
in
the
asheville
region
to
have
a
body
that
provides
an
overall
development
policy
and
a
sustainable
growth
for
the
regional
riverfront
and
underneath
that
it
lists
about
16
duties
or
responsibilities
that
the
riverfront
commission
can
really
have
now
that
ordinance.
A
The
base
of
it
was
really
influenced
by
having
a
downtown
commission
already
having
a
place
based
commission
that
had
an
ordinance
that
seemed
to
be
generally
working
at
the
time.
So,
if
you
were
to
compare
the
outline
of
the
riverfront
commission
and
the
outline
of
the
downtown
commission,
they
are
incredibly
similar
similar
and
in
the
beginning
they
were
almost
identical.
A
So
that's
something
to
think
about,
and
the
the
downtown
commission
and
dana
might
be
able
to-
and
maybe
even
sage
could
help
me
out
on
this
one.
But
I
want
to
say
that
that
was
good.
Lord,
the
downtown
commission
had
to
have
started
in
the
90s.
A
Okay,
so-
and
I
don't
think
that,
however,
but
so-
and
my
point
here
is
just
to
talk
about
relevancy
as
we
move
forward
over
time,
so
let
me
stop
talking
because
that's
a
whole
lot,
anything
any
questions
or
anything.
Anybody
else
remember
or
comments.
You
have
to
share
about
how
the
riverfront
commission
got
put
together.
A
And
okay,
charlie
darren
so
you're
our
historical
expert
as
a
commission
member,
oh
lord,.
B
A
So
some
boards,
as
you
know,
planning
and
zoning
commission
board
of
adjustment.
They
have
a
they
have
a
mandatory
job
that
evolves
mostly
out
of
either
state
statutes
required
for
development
review
like
everybody's
required
to
have
a
planning
and
zoning
commission,
or
it
evolves
out
of
a
need
from
our
own
ordinances
like
we
allow.
We
administratively
allow.
A
You
know
variances
to
our
tree
requirements,
and
we
have.
The
urban
forestry
commission
provide
those
variances,
but
the
rest
of
these
boards,
mostly
just
you
know,
advisory
boards
that
are
very,
very
important
to
the
city
of
asheville,
especially
because
they
provide
us
connectivity
to
the
community.
They
provide
staff
as
much
as
these
are
supposed
to
be
boards
that
report
directly
to
council
and
provide
advice
to
staff.
I'll
just
tell
you
from
staff's
opinion.
A
You
know
the
number
one
benefit
of
of
having
these
boards
is
that
we
get
to
work
with
10
or
15
community
members
on
a
monthly
basis
and
understand
what
the
hot
topics
are
and
also
what
the
long-term
strategies
and
priorities
are
for
the
community.
So
we
can
know
from
council
and
and
others
what
is
going
on.
A
So,
as
you
know,
there
is
a
proposal
right
now
to
restructure
the
way
that
we
do
boards
and
commissions,
and
if
I
was
I'm
not
because-
and
I
really
apologize
for
this
technical
issue,
but
I'm
not
able
to
share
my
my
screen
right
now-
I'm
just
going
to
talk
about
it
and
what
I'll
say
is
that
this
past
tuesday,
the
city
manager's,
the
manager's
report
was
given
to
city
council
and
included
an
update.
So
I'm
going
to
share
what
some
of
those
updates
are.
A
I
A
All
right
and
I'm
going
to
ask
darren
green,
because
darren
greene
at
our
last
meeting
mentioned
that
he
was
really
struck
in
speaking
with
jay
from
black
wall
street,
about
the
need
for
this
board
to
think
more
about
diversity.
Why
is
it
important
to
make
sure
our
board
and
commission
framework
is
more
inclusive.
B
Well,
one
it's
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
I
mean
I
think,
morally,
we
can
all
agree
that
it's
it's
right
to
include
all
of
our
community
from
every
from
every
corner
and
oftentimes,
the
folks
that
aren't
represented.
They
have
challenges
about.
There's
obstacles
that
you
know.
Organizations
like
us
need
to
work
a
little
harder
to
gather
them
and
include
those
who
might
otherwise
not
be
asked,
or
you
know.
L
B
A
Great
great
answer
so
strategic,
efficient,
inclusive,
those
are
the
goals
of
the
restructuring
process
and
then
there's
also
been.
I
think,
four
operational
issues
identified,
and
this
is
through
conversations
with
both
city
staff
members
and
also
the
public
and
some
chairs
and
those
operational
of
challenges
within
the
current
system.
Are
people
feel
like
there's
on
there's
a
lack
of
clarity,
around
roles
for
boards
themselves
or
board
members
and
then
like?
What's
the
responsibilities.
A
A
So
this
idea
that,
if
you
know
we
were
created
as
an
advisory
board
to
city
council,
you
know
really.
How
does
that
happen?
Are
we
really
just
relying
on
say
in
this
case?
There's
been
many
people,
but
in
this
case
sage,
to
do
everything
and
then
up
for
a
board
like
this,
where
really
it
was
created
to
make
recommendations
to
the
city
and
county?
A
A
The
third
operational
issue
that's
been
identified
is
just
the
management
and
like
the
the
limitations
of
city
staff,
knowing
that
we
have
so
many
boards
and
that
every
time
we
create
a
new
one
that
we
you
know,
we
don't
create
a
new
staff
position
that
goes
along
with
it,
and
I
was
struck
earlier
when
people
were
talking
about
their
experiences
with
good
boards.
A
How
you
know
it's
really
important
to
have
a
dedicated
staff
person
or
a
director
who's
like
maybe
very
well
organized
or
knows
what
the
mission
and
goals
are
and
can
spend
time
with
that
board
really
developing
it,
and
I
think
it's
important
for
for
everyone
here
to
realize,
because
you
haven't
been
here
long,
that
I've
been
the
staff
person
for
the
riverfront
commission
excluding
one
year
when
I
had
sarah
henry,
do
it
she's
amazing
we
love
sarah
henry
and
miss
her,
and
when
we
first
started
out
as
a
board,
my
job
was
just
to
get
up
every
day
and
make
things
happen
in
the
river.
A
So
I
admit
that
at
that
time
I
think
I
was
a
pretty
good
board
liaison.
It
has
been
several
years
and
I
would
say
for
most
of
y'all's
experience
on
this
board.
I
have
not
been
gotten
up
every
day
and
just
had
to
focus
on
the
river.
I
have
had
other
jobs,
and
I
admit
that
that
definitely
plays
into
this
board,
potentially
feeling
like
they're,
not
clear
about
what
the
rules
and
goals
are
here.
Jeremy.
H
Yeah-
and
forgive
me
if
this
has
already
been
answered,
but
has
there
been
an
analysis
or
of
the
progression
of
how
many
boards
we
had
in
2009,
2015
and
2000,
like
how
many
more
boards
have
been
added,
because
you
mentioned
you
know
the
staffs.
I
know
that
you
know
our
staff
liaison
on
planning
and
zoning
for
the
six
years.
I
was
there
was
incredibly
important.
It
was.
H
Board
I
easily
spent
40
hours
a
month
on
that
board.
Yeah
work,
but
having
the
staff
support
was
important,
but.
D
H
I
Steph
one
of
the
things
that
I've
mentioned
a
couple
times
in
different
settings
is,
I
think,
one
of
the
one
of
the
reasons
that
we're
in
the
position
we're
in
with
so
many
is
that
there's
you
start
them
and
there's
never
an
ending
date,
and
I
don't
think
that
allows
a
reconsideration
of
what
we
really
need
now,
and
is
this
one
still
working
or
do
we
need
to
take
half
of
its
work
away
and
move
them
into
something
else
and
whatever?
And
I
think
you
know
it's-
it's
a
common
situation
in
government.
I
It
does
take
a
little
bit
of
thought,
but
if
you
every
year
or
every,
however
many
years
sat
and
looked
across
and
said,
you
know
interview
you
and
all
the
other
people
that
are
being
board
liaisons
and
also
look
at
the
work.
I
think
it
would
be
pretty
easy
to
figure
out
which
ones
are
still
needed
and
which
ones
you
could
put
together
or
whatever,
and
then
you've
constantly
got
a
renewal
and
a
you
don't
get
to
the
point
where
you're
looking
around
at
everyone
thinking.
Why
are
we?
Why
are
we
even
here?
I
A
The
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
that
was
brought
up
as
a
just
an
operational
issue
is
that
that
people
felt
they
were
disconnect.
People
on
boards
felt
that
they
were
disconnected
from
other
boards
and
we're
always
surprised
to
hear
that
maybe
another
board
was
working
on
the
same
issue.
We're
talking
about
the
same
issue
and
from
staff's
perspective.
That
disconnection
looks
like
you
know.
A
But
there
is
a
recognition
on
both
the
board
members
and
the
staff.
Members
part
that
boards
weren't
working
together
across
lines
to
come
up
with
joint
ideas
around
policy
to
advise
to
counsel.
So
that
was
the
kind
of
the
last
issue.
B
I
have
a
question
for
probably
sage
and
steph
in
this
new,
this
proposed
structure.
Do
you
imagine
that
questions
or
issues
might
be
sent
to
the
to
these
new
boards
from
staff
and
or
council?
Or
how
do
you
see
that?
Well,
you
do
you
think
staff
will
see
a
some
sort
of
issue
and
then
say
to
counsel
hey.
We
see
this
as
an
issue.
Will
you
direct
your
your
your
board
to
look.
E
B
D
B
D
D
Generally
speak,
I
mean
that's
to
be
determined
right,
because
this
is
all
still
there's
so
like
an
expected
pilot.
If
it's
even
approved
or
moves
forward,
I
was
expecting
more
of
a
middle
ground
kind
of
I
thought.
Maybe
there'd
be
more
input
back
from
the
community.
That
would
be
a
little
bit
different,
but
so
far
it
just
seems
like
either
do
this
or
don't
do
this,
but
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
too
much
middle
ground
being
discussed.
D
I
think,
though
we
often
as
I
know,
I
only
speak
for
myself,
but
I
often
lean
on
staff's
expertise
because
they
are
experts
in
this
field,
so
they
I
could
see
it
being
both.
I
could
see
it
being
a
council
person
or
a
series
of
counselors
with
an
issue
that
needs
discussed,
research,
feedback,
etc,
and
that
could
go
out
or
I
could
see
that
staff
could
potentially
see
something
coming
up
because
they
are
in
this
work
every
day
and
suggest
that
there's
a
topic
or
a
solution
or
a
problem
coming
up
and
steph.
Maybe.
D
A
I
disagree
with
you
that
we
don't
know
what
that
looks
like,
but
it
has
been
proposed
that
either
way
there
will
be
a
stronger
connection
between
what
council
is
working
on
and
what
the
boards
and
what
the
the
new
boards
or
existing
boards
would
be
working
on.
B
So
sorry,
jeremy,
I
know
you're
hands
up,
but
I
have
a
so
I
have
a
follow-up.
So
my
follow-up
is:
why
hasn't
that
happened
in
this
current
structure?
So
why
hasn't
city
council
said
we
have
this
question
regarding
the
riverfront
riverfront
we'd
like
you
to
dive
into
this
issue,
because
certainly
there
have
been
questions
or
concerns,
or
maybe
you
know,
maybe
that
happens
with
other
boards.
But
I
haven't
seen
that
happen
within
us.
D
I've
seen
it
happen
with
other
council
committees
and
other
boards.
I
haven't
seen
it
happen
with
us,
but
I
haven't
been
here
as
long.
A
I
think
that
there's
also
a
tendency
for
council
which
I've
seen
in
my
17
years
of
working
here
to
appoint
task
force
when
they
have
a
really
specific
question.
So
a
great
example
was
the
city
and
county
jointly
appointed
the
vance
monument
task
force,
and
they
said
you
have
such
and
such
weeks
to
give
us
a
recommendation
on
whether
or
not
we
should
remove
this
monument,
and
it
was
very
pointed
to
ann's
point
earlier.
A
You
know
it,
you
knew
what
you
were
doing
and
you
knew
when
this
thing
was
going
to
end
and
when
you
needed
to
report
to
council,
and
so
that
is
usually
while
I
can't
answer
your
question
directly.
I
can
say
that
that
that
has
happened
several
times.
I
Yeah
and
darren,
I
know
that
stacy
has,
I
have
to
say
honestly,
not
so
much
lately.
This
is
my
last
year
on
stacey
and
I
don't
think
it's
been
the
same
way.
The
la
it
hasn't
been
this
way,
the
last
two
or
three
years,
but
when
I
first
started,
stacy
was
really
active
and
engaged
in
providing
support
and
answers
to
city
council
about
an
ordinance
or
a
resolution.
I
should
say,
and
a
lot
of
different
things
came
and
we
had
all
kinds
of
conversations
and
presentations
from
people
at
the
meetings
and
things
like
that.
I
It
doesn't
seem
like
that's
been
such
a
big
thing.
Part
of
it
might
have
been
coveted.
Maybe
the
city
is
shifting
a
little
bit
away
from
the
goals
that
stacy
had
been
drawn
up
to
deal
with.
That
could
be
another
part
of
this
again
time
and
change,
but
we've
had
direct
input
about.
Would
you
give
us
your
feeling
or
support?
Or
yes
or
no
about
this
particular
thing?
Often,
but
not
lately?.
H
Am
I
allowed
to
speak,
I'm
still
processing
this
myself,
but
these
are
the
things
that
I
think
about
when
I
think
about.
In
particular
what
you
mentioned
there
about
accessibility
to
more
people.
H
I
can't
understand
in
my
head
how
you
can
go
from
a
number
of
boards
and
commissions
and
opportunities
to
participate
down
to
four,
how
that's
going
to
be
more
accessible
to
more
people.
I
think
it's
a
little
laughable
that
you
think
I
mean
I
and
I
am
all
in
favor
of
increased
efficiency
and
figuring
out
how
to
do
things
better.
So
I
don't
that
I'm
completely
in
favor
of
that,
but
I've
served
on
these
tasks
for
the
the
pit
of
despair,
civic
center.
D
H
An
opportunity
for
people
to
you
know,
build
expertise,
build
relationships,
build
community
and,
if
you're
popping
in
and
out
of
working
groups,
it's
really
more
of
a
a
recipe
for
confrontation.
In
my
opinion
versus
you
know,
how
do
we
get
more
people
from
different
parts
of
our
community
involved
and
how
do
we
make
it
more
efficient
and
I'm
just
having
a
hard
time
understanding
how
going
down
to
four
groups
with
a
bunch
of
working
groups?
How
I
mean
I'm
not
going
to?
How
do
you
get
people
to
want
to
work
on
those
groups?
I
And
jeremy,
I'm
100
there
with
you,
I
don't
understand
how
this
is
going
to
function
at
all.
It
seems
like
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
whirling
stuff
around
and
the
people
that
are
actually
on
the
commission
are
going
to
be
overwhelmed
and
frustrated
and
might
not
ever
want
to
serve
that's
the
biggest
concern.
The
other
one
is
going
from
28
or
40
down
to
four
does
not
make
sense
to
me.
I
think
I
understand
that
four
focal
areas
of
the
comp
plan-
those
are
great,
but
I
don't
know
how
why?
I
All
of
a
sudden,
you
only
go
to
four,
you
could
go
from
40
down
to
10
and
you
could
have
multiple
pieces
flowing
into
the
one
topic
that
the
comp
plan
is
supposed
to
be
and
of
the
four.
I
just
feel
like
you
do
confused
about
how
this
is
better
or
more
efficient
and
how
how
it's
workable
was
with
the
kind
of
people
like
you're
saying
coming
and
going
in
just
four
top
four
areas.
F
Ben
yeah,
I
would
echo
a
lot
of
what
jeremy
and
ann
said.
I
I
think
it's
easy
to
see
the
stress
on
staff
from
the
sheer
volume
and
number
of
meetings
and
number
of
boards.
I
I
can't
imagine
the
workload
and
the
time
that
that
that
that
would
take.
Obviously
I
love
the
number
of
opportunities
for
transparency
and
civic
engagement
that
that
allows
the
community,
but
it
I
can
see
how
that's
just
way
too
many
going
down
to
four
to
echo.
F
The
other
comments
feels
like
an
over
correction,
just
from
my
limited
perspective,
and
I
do
think
you
can
increase
diversity
of
involvement
by
more
targeted
recruitment,
even
if
you
went
down
to
eight
or
ten
or
twelve
commissions,
and
hopefully
increase
efficiency
and
decrease
the
stress
on
staff
and
the
time
commitment
and
the
workload
that
they
would
have.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
those
comments.
A
So
today
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
a
topic
and
get
some
feedback
from
you
all.
It's
been
great
feedback
and
I'm
taking
this
feedback
to
our
city,
clerk's
office
and
the
staff
that
are
working
on
this
on
on
a
different
level.
From
me,
this
is
a
reminder
and
darren
sent
this
email
out
to
you
right
before
the
commission.
A
That
would
look
at
very
specific
issues,
and
so
I
know
your
time
is
limited,
but
I'd
ask
you
to
consider
potentially
attending
and
if
you
can't
know
that
I
care
a
lot
about
this,
I'm
I
think
you
all
do
too
very
passionate,
we're
all
very
passionate
about
getting
things
done
here
in
our
community,
and
so
if
we
can
just
make
a
commitment
to
continue
talking
about
it
and
I
can
bring
in
say
sarah
gross
or
other
people
to
maybe
better
answer
some
of
these
questions
and
to
start
piecing
together
some
of
your
feedback,
perhaps
in
a
way
that
it
impacts
the
proposal.
A
I
think
that's
the
most
important
thing
then
then
we
would
get
somewhere
with
all
this
jeremy.
Did
you
have
a
question?
Tim
did?
Okay,.
A
E
I
don't
you
know,
I'm
not
now
I'll
sort
of
bite
my
time,
because
it's
sort
of
negative.
I
feel
like
it's
interesting
that
this
is
coming
up
now
and
I
guess
it's
mostly
a
staffing
situation,
but
what
I've
found
in
the
last
couple
years,
it's
really
hard
to
get
things
done
with
the
city
when
it
didn't
used
to
be
specifically
what's
going
on
with
this,
what
used
to
be
harry,
pohlos's
project
and
getting
a
simple
one-way
road
put
through
there,
so
that
you
know
the
neighborhood
down
in
the
river
can
feel
like.
E
Okay,
we're
not
going
to
lose
that
road,
there's
no
way
that
it
should
take
five
or
six
weeks.
For
that
to
happen,
and
that's
you
know
that's
not
through
a
commission,
that's
through
small
neighborhood
people
going
directly
and
shannon
did
a
great
job
of
getting
it
almost
done,
and
I
feel
like
now
that
it
may
actually
get
done,
and
I
don't
want
this
conversation
to
go
past
this
commission,
because
I
was
told
not
to
because
some
of
the
parties
in
it
are
afraid
that
it
won't
get
done.
A
Okay,
so
more
to
come
on
that
topic,
chair
back
to
you.
B
All
right
well,
thank
you,
everybody
for
your
input
and
I'm
sure
this
discussion
is
just
beginning.
We
are
going
to
move
over
to
the
gap
plan
overview.
I
hope
everyone
had
a
chance
to
watch
the
video.
It
did
a
good
job
of
of
distilling,
a
lot
of
hard
work.
That's
been
going
on
and
I'm
going
to
throw
the
microphone
over
to
lucy.
Who
can
give
you
some
more
information
and
a
project
overview
about
the
gap
plan.
C
Thank
you,
darren
hello,
riverfront,
commission,
thanks
for
having
me
today,
I'm
waiting
for
my
slideshow
to
come
up
and
I
will
share
it
with
you.
C
So
for
those
of
you
who
might
not
know
me,
my
name
is
lucy
crown.
I
work
in
the
transportation
department
of
the
city.
My
primary
projects
are
typically
the
greenways,
but
I've
been
working
for
the
past
nearly
two
years
now
on
the
close,
the
gap
plan
and
I'm
here
to
tell
you
more
about
it.
C
Maybe
if
I
can
get
my
slides
to
advance,
let's
see
here
we
go
so
the
gap
is
an
acronym.
It
stands
for
greenways
ada
transition
and
pedestrian
plans,
and
we
wanted
to
do
these
three
plants
simultaneously,
because
our
goal
was
to
identify
a
citywide
network
of
safe
pedestrian
facilities.
That
would
enable
people
to
walk
from
home
to
key
destinations
the
greenway
network,
what
we
were
prioritizing
as
our
goals
was
to
expand
and
refine
the
asheville's
spine
network,
which
is
mostly
our
river
greenways,
and
to
identify
and
prioritize
new
greenway
types.
C
That
would
help
us
create
a
better
network
throughout
the
city
and
I'll
tell
you
more
about
it
later,
but
a
quick
shot
of
it
shows
you
that
we
have
developed
some
new
typologies
so
going
from
the
the
big
spine.
C
Oh
that
these
are
great
pictures
of
some
of
the
ada
challenges
that
we
typically
see.
This
is
downtown
a
sidewalk,
that's
way
too
narrow
and
also
obstructed
with
polls
and
signs.
C
Far
too
often,
our
sidewalks
look
like
this
in
our
neighborhoods,
or
sometimes
we
even
have
great
looking
facilities,
but
if
they
don't
have
the
right
crossings
and
the
right
type
of
ramps,
people
who
actually
do
have
physical
disabilities
aren't
really
able
to
access
them
and
are
forced
out
into
the
street.
This
is
just
at
charlotte
street
and
edward
place
as
a
matter
of
fact,.
D
D
I
want
to
raise
a
point
that
I've
mentioned
in
other
boards,
but-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
city's
doing
about
that
pattern
of
sidewalk,
but
the
gentleman
on
the
right-
I
see
all
the
time
and
when
I
talk
to
people
about
it,
why
they
say
it's
that
pattern
on
the
left,
but
they
won't
roll
on
and
they
have
a
noise
in
the
sound.
I
just
want
to
share
that,
because
I
do
think
that
pattern
of
sidewalk
is
not
helpful.
C
L
It's
our
running
bond,
we
call
it
running
bond
and
it
is
something
we
recommend,
although
we
have
talked
about
changing
it
at
many
points,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
input
for
sure
it's
something.
We
could
definitely
also
talk
about
with
the
downtown
public
space
management
group
to
get
some
further
input
there.
So
yeah.
Thank
you
for
sharing.
C
Thanks
dana
and
then
the
p
part
the
pedestrian
plan,
we
were
identifying
prioritized
projects
to
fill
gaps
in
the
network,
again
kind
of
like
the
ada
plan.
If
we
had
just
made
a
map
that
showed
where
all
the
gaps
were,
it
would
have
been
a
big
red
blob,
so
we
had
to
figure
out
how
to
strategize,
promote
by
policies
and
funding
strategies
as
well,
so
we're
wanting
to
see
new
sidewalks
pedestrian,
curb
ramps
street
crossings.
C
C
We've
got
a
lot
of
needs,
so
we've
figured
out
ways
to
prioritize
and
I'm
gonna
talk
about
the
methodology
a
little
bit,
but
as
we
are
laying
out
the
prioritization,
I
just
think
it's
also
important
to
to
let
you
understand
that
just
because
something
might
be
lower
down
on
a
prioritization
list
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
it's
going
to
take
longer
to
implement
there's
a
lot
of
balancing
acts
in
prioritization
lists
due
to
funding
due
to
timing
due
to
low
hanging
fruit
opportunities
that
can
make
things
skip
on
the
list,
but
being
on
the
prioritization
list
and
explanations.
C
C
You
have
to
go
through
a
lot
of
phases
it
can
take
up
to
if
you're
everything's
going
perfectly,
which
it
never
does.
It
could
take
three
years
from
the
the
thumbs
up
of
working
on
a
project
so
three
years
for
a
very
desired
and
well-funded
project,
and
most
of
them
take
much
longer
than
that.
As
I
know,
a
lot
of
you
have
seen.
C
So
here
are
some
of
our
some
of
the
big
deals
of
the
gap
plan,
so
we
had
to
figure
out
how
to
score
all
of
the
roads
in
asheville,
and
we
came
down
to
four
qualifications,
destination
and
equity
score
safety,
connectivity
and
public
input
and
the
destination
and
equity
score
is
an
interesting
combination
of
knowing,
through
census,
data,
where
our
pot,
communities
and
low-income
neighborhoods
reside
the
red
ones
in
the
center
of
town.
C
C
So
we
have
a
lot
of
needs
on
the
edges
of
town
in
the
middle
of
town
and
well
everywhere,
so
our
destination,
an
equity
score,
combines
our
equity
factors,
like
I
said
from
our
census
and
then
our
destination
scores,
which
looks
more
like
a
heat
map
and
our
list
of
destinations
were
where
we
have.
We
considered
where
people
need
to
go
and
what
we
heard
from
people
during
our
meetings
in
our
online
surveys.
C
So
when
you
combine
the
two
you
get
our
destination
and
equity
score
that
we
put
on
every
road
in
asheville,
then
the
safety
score.
This
is
a
different
factor.
It
is
taking
a
look
at
a
lot
of
what
the
road
is
like.
Considering,
traffic
speed,
number
of
cars
per
day
number
of
traffic
lanes
and
the
number
of
pedestrian
crashes
asheville
is
has
more
than
it
its
fair
shares
of
crashes
and
particularly
pedestrian
crashes
in
north
carolina.
C
So
these
are
two
comparisons
of
what
I'm
talking
about.
This
is
murdoch
road
in
north
asheville.
It's
a
low
low
traffic
street
with
a
lot
of
traffic
calming
it
has
sidewalks,
it's
close
to
parks.
It's
got
a
lot
of
pedestrians
and
bikers
and
it
received
the
lowest
score
available
of
one
point
and
you
can
compare
it
to
one
of
the
worst
streets
in
nashville,
which
is
patton
avenue.
It's
got
more
than
four
lanes.
C
So
then
we
have
connectivity
score.
Where
is
everyone
in
nashville?
Going
to
some
people
are
just
walking
around
their
neighborhoods?
Some
people
are
needing
to
get
to
work
in
the
grocery
store
and
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
so
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
greenways.
C
C
And
then,
finally,
our
public
input
from
our
surveys-
and
this
was
a
lot
of
fun-
doing
public
input
during
a
pandemic.
We
were,
we
really
had
to
pivot
and
we
did
most
of
our
of
our
input
online
with
online
surveys,
and
then
staff
at
the
city
spent
our
time
reaching
out
to
the
legacy
neighborhoods
and
more
marginalized
neighborhoods
of
nashville
directly,
so
that
we
could
make
sure
that
we
could
get
input
from
them.
C
We
did
receive
a
lot
of
input
and
it
was
all
good.
I
would
have
to
say
our
last
meeting,
though
our
last
round
of
surveys
was
taking
place
during
the
merriman
avenue
public
input,
and
so
and
also
there
was
some
heat
in
the
hog
creek
neighborhood.
So
we
got
a
lot
of
negative
comments
more
than
I
think
were
justified,
because
there
were
a
lot
of
comments
about
merriman
avenue
and
hawk
creek
in
the
negative
sections.
C
So
here
we
are,
we
we
were
able
to
break
all
of
the
pedestrian
plan
into
those
five
categories
based
on
our
scoring
system,
and
then
we
broke
it
down
into
what
the
city
is
responsible
for
and
what
the
dot
is
responsible
for
and
oh
and
came
up
with
this
plan,
and
you
will
see
it
in
the
draft
plan
that
if
it
is
not
up
this
evening,
it
will
be
up
tomorrow
and
it
should
be
a
very
easy
format
to
access
on
your
phone
or
on
your
computer
or
tablet.
C
C
Just
like
that
slide.
I
showed
before
so
our
spine
greenways,
and
these
are
all
design
guidelines
that
are
going
to
be
going
into
our
city
specs
manual,
for
the
first
time,
we'll
have
some
design
guidelines
for
our
greenways,
but
our
greenway
spine
will
be
our
widest
greenway,
with
a
suggested
width
of
14
feet
and
with
lighting,
just
like
the
rad
tip
the
wilma
dikeman
down
at
the
rampton.
C
Page,
but
this
is
a
quick
map
of
what
the
spine
network
looks
like.
It
goes
down
into
south
asheville
on
sweden,
creek
and
it
also
heads
west
on
swan
east
on
swananoa
and
we're
gonna
have
this
section
here
built
with
the
I-26
connector.
So,
oh
I'm
sorry
this
one
here,
and
this
is
a
railroad
greenway
using
a
greenway
in
the
west
asheville
area.
C
C
And
this
would
be
with
a
series
of
adaptations
that
we
can
make
to
our
neighborhood
streets
to
make
them
safer
to
walk
and
ride
your
bike
and
be
in
the
street
with
your
family,
and
that
would
look
like
some
wayfinding
but
also
speed,
curb
speed,
calming
measures,
there's
a
type
of
street
in
our
natto
guidelines,
which
are
very
viking,
pedestrian
friendly
traffic
and
transportation
guidelines
that
call
for
shared
streets,
which
is
basically
acknowledging
that
a
street
is
quiet
enough
and
and
traffic
runs
slow
enough
for
people
to
be
able
to
just
share
the
road.
C
But
also
with
some
relatively
inexpensive
measures,
you
can
make
a
not
so
ideal
street
safe
enough
to
be
able
to
share
the
road
as
well,
but
these
kind
of
things
do
deserve
a
study
in
each
area
that
we're
considering
doing
that
before
you
just
run
out
and
do
them,
but
tactical
urbanism
can
be
used
to
try
things
out
and
we've
been
working
pretty
successfully
with
bike
groups
in
the
area
on
on
those
kind
of
projects.
So
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
work
with
in
the
future.
C
I
think
I
pretty
much
said
all
that
from
this,
but
another
fancy
slide
of
what
a
neighborhood
greenway
could
look
like,
and
so
I'm
elaborating
a
little
bit
more
on
greenways
for
your
committee
commission,
but
our
top
10
priorities
for
greenways
took
in
all
of
these
considerations
and
came
up
with
our
top
10
priority
list,
and
this
is
this:
is
our
top
10
priority
list?
Our
number
one
greenway
on
our
priority
list
is
the
suananua
greenway
and
I
the
last
time
I
was
here.
C
These
other
two
greenways,
the
bow
catcher
greenway,
is
on
the
priority
list
because
it
is
designed-
and
it
also
has
some
possibly
some
money
in
the
budget
to
be
able
to
work
on
that
reed
creek
greenway
is
also
funded
for
a
feasibility
study
right
now.
So
a
lot
of
these
greenways
are
on
the
list
because
they
already
are
partially
designed
or
there's
some
funding
that
would
make
them
work
easier
or
partnerships
such
as
the
harmony
creek
greenway
east,
which
would
line
up
with
the
greenway
effort
that
the
county
is
working
on
now.
C
But
another
thing
I
would
like
to
introduce
with
you
tonight
is
a
concept
that
we're
about
to
roll
out
we're
going
to
be
doing
our
public
engagement
in
later
this
spring
and
it's
asheville
unpaved.
The
city
is
working
with
a
number
of
non-profits
in
the
area
to
create
a
network
of
natural
surface
trails
and
ultimately,
it's
because
we've
heard
this
from
the
public
a
lot
that
greenways
are
really
expensive
and
that
takes
forever
to
get
them
done.
And
how
can
we
possibly
fit
asphalt?
C
C
I
think
I've
said
all
these
things
too
they're
cheaper,
they're,
more
sustainable,
and
we
find
them
to
be
appropriate
for
as
a
supplemental
network
to
the
greenway.
C
C
These
are
more
like
what
we
have
been
thinking
about
right
here,
which
are
more
multi-use
or
they're
fairly
wide.
You
can
use
two
directional
traffic.
You
can
have
hikers
and
bikers
there.
At
the
same
time,
this
is,
is
very
similar
to
a
multi-use
and
then
there's
single-use
trails
that
would
be
for
just
biking
or
just
hiking,
or
it
can
be
shared
in
various
ways
like
even
naming
the
days
of
the
week
that
hikers
or
bikers
get
to
use
them.
C
But
we
we've
been
seeing
a
lot
of
user
conflicts
up
on
mountainside
park
where
the
boat
catcher
greenway
is,
and
so
these
are.
This
is
an
additional
reason
why
this
would
be
a
great
partnership
for
the
city
to
work
with
and
we're
looking
at
it
in
two
different
directions.
C
So
asheville
unpaved,
it's
a
group
of
non-profits
that
we're
working
with
the
primary
organizations
that
are
really
throwing
their
backs
into.
It
are
asheville
unpaved
connect,
buncombe
and
pisca
sorba,
which
is
a
regional
mountain
bike
organization
who
has
been
working
with
the
city
on
some
bike
trails
in
richmond
hill.
They
are
great
at
project
management
and
can
oversee
these
types
of
projects.
The
city's
goal
is
to
work
with
these
groups,
who
will
create
their
their
own
agreement,
their
own
alliance,
that
the
city
will
enter
and
an
agreement,
a
contract
with
that
alliance.
C
To
do
this
work,
the
work
will
have
an
annual
work
plan,
so
all
of
the
projects
will
be
approved
and
agreed
upon
and
probably
well
scoped
before
they're
pushed
out
for
public
engagement
and
then
hopefully
construction
after
that,
and
they
raised
enough
money
to
do
a
concept
plan
for
what
they
would
like
to
be
the
first
round
of
projects,
and
these
four
are
on
large
tracks
of
public
land.
C
The
french
broad
river
west,
where
we're
building
the
greenway
now
is
on
a
big
tract
of
land
that
duke
owns,
but
the
city
leases
and
has
a
great
potential
for
additional
trails,
but
coke
branch
greenway,
which
is
behind
the
tennis
courts
and
parallels
clingman
avenue,
is
possible,
even
maybe
as
an
interim
as
we're
waiting
for
the
funding
for
the
the
design
greenway
to
be
built.
But
at
this
time
it's
a
very
hard
to
find
the
funding
for
bakote
branch.
It's
not
our
typical
grant
sources
aren't
appropriate
for
it.
C
So
because
this
is
right
behind
asheville
junior
high
or
is
it
I'm
sorry
asheville
middle
school?
Now
it
was
called
junior
high.
When
I
went
there.
Asheville
middle
school
has
an
after-school
program
for
bike
riding
and
work
with
the
nika
program,
which
is
the
national
children's
bike
association.
C
That
could
all
be
connected
with
a
series
of
trails
and
we
have
concept
maps
for
all
of
them
right
now
we
are
preparing
to
do
public
engagement
in
the
late
spring
and
right
now
we're
meeting
with
neighborhoods
that
are
very
close
to
these.
These
areas
here
that
we're
looking
at
as
pilot
projects
and
also
coming
to
groups
like
you
to
to
tell
you
what
our
concept
is
once
public
engagement
is
over
and
there
is,
we
have
some
idea.
C
If
this
is
a
project
that
is
popular
with
our
community,
then
we
will.
The
city
will
hopefully,
after
council,
approves
engage
with
that
into
that
partnership,
and
those
partners
begin
fundraising
for
these
pilot
projects
here
and
the
goal
will
be
like.
I
said
for
these
these
groups
to
raise
the
money,
hire
the
trail
builder
to
to
construct
these
trails,
and
then
they
will
maintain
these
trails.
C
This
is
a
kind
of
blurry
example
of
just
the
mountainside
park.
You'll
have
to
come
to
our
public
engagement
meetings
to
see
the
clear
shot
is.
I
guess
this
is
just
a
sneak
peek
for
you
today,
but
the
main
greenway
is
this
dotted
line
right
here
and
these
side
lines
are
different
colors,
so
the
green
ones
are
the
multi-use
trails
that
would
be
open
for
biking
and
hiking,
but
these
red
trails
up
here
and
up
here.
C
C
Only
trails
up
here,
and
these
are
these
pink
lines-
are
neighborhood
connectors
that
can
get
you
from
the
hunt:
hill
apartments,
for
example,
or
memorial
stadium
in
mccormick
field,
up
to
the
main
greenway,
and
also
to
the
trail
system,
and
this
map
shows
you
an
idea
of
the
connectivity
of
these
trail
systems,
so
the
asheville
and
paved
are
these
squiggly
light
green
lines
and
these
green
lines,
the
yellow
lines,
the
blue
lines
and
the
red
lines?
Are
the
gaps
greenway
network?
C
So
when
you
piece
all
of
this
together,
I
hope
you
can
see
that
we're
we're
really
starting
to
make
a
network
here
where
people
can
start.
Maybe
thinking
about
not
having
to
use
their
car
to
get
around
and
teenagers
and
families
can
get
around
a
lot
more
easily
and
have
fun
doing
it.
E
Lucy,
thank
you.
I
mean
this
is
wonderful.
It
makes
me
feel
better
after
being
in
a
funk
and
and
for
the
commission
is
any
way
that
I
can
support
you
if
the
commission
could
support
you.
I
think
this
is
great,
and
one
question,
of
course,
is
the
ada
stuff.
I'm
sure
you've
checked
all
those
boxes,
I'm
glad
that
that's
something
that
this
can
happen
as
somebody
used
to
be
young
enough
to
run
single
track
all
the
time.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
great
thing.
I
mean
people
have
been
making
them
forever.
C
Yeah
doing
it
this
way
will
ensure
that
they're
built
sustainably
to
prevent
erosion,
and
the
plus
side
of
that
is
also.
They
are
usually
more
accessible
to
a
lot
more
people
and
our
plan
for
ada
accessibility
is
to
give
them
categorize
them
much
like
ski
slopes.
So
people
will
know
how
challenging
they
are
going
into
them.
There'll
be
a
web
page
that
will
give
you
the
information
beforehand
and
trailheads
that
have
it
there.
C
B
C
Okay,
great
well,
we
plan
to
take
the
gap
plans
to
council
for
their
adoption
on
may
24th
fingers
crossed
I'll.
Let
you
know
if
that
changes,
but
if
you
would
like
to
come
and
support
in
public
comment
or
if
you
think
can
think
of
any
other
ways
with
stephanie,
I
would
love
any
support.
You
can
give
us.
B
B
If
there's
no
other
questions
we
can
move
on,
I
apologize,
we
are
behind
schedule,
it
looks
like
will.
Pomquist
from
the
city
of
asheville
will
be
presenting
the
artful
way,
as
well
as
the
redwood
commons,
and
then
we'll
commissioners
can
ask
questions.
M
M
This
will
start
with
the
artful
way
and
I
think
jeremy
will
be
an
interested
listener
for
this.
He
is
one
of
the
applicants.
We
also
have,
I
think,
the
architect
for
the
project
here
as
well.
E
M
This
is
the
artful
way
it
is
a
mixed-use
building
proposed
at
the
top
of
a
street
called
artful
way.
M
You
can
see
it
here
and
also
has
a
vehicular
access
from
clinton
avenue
extension,
so
this
is
kind
of
at
the
top
of
that
little
hill
haywood
road
is
right
over
here
to
the
north
of
the
site
and
the
rad
view
project
that
was
recently
completed
by.
M
I
think
the
same
development
team
is
just
to
the
south
along
artful
way,
let's
see
here,
and
it's
just
up
the
hill
from
the
gray
eagle
on
clingman
app
extension,
which
you
can
kind
of
see
in
this
sorry,
rendering
here
just
some
details
about
the
project
itself.
M
It's
six
stories
total
two
levels
of
parking
with
four
stories
above
kind
of
see
how
the
parking
is
more
exposed
on
the
clingman
avenue
side
and
then
four
stories
on
the
artful
weighing
side
and
the
way
it
works
into
the
slope.
M
So
here
are
some
elevations.
You
can
see
kind
of
the
parking
facing
climate
avenue
extension
and
then
the
pedestrian
access
on
click
on
artful
way
on
the
west
elevation.
So
the
address
is
on
our
airfield
way,
but
the
vehicular
access
is
off
clingman
avenue
extension,
there's
also
pedestrian
access
to
both
from
both
streets
as
well.
M
Materials
vary.
M
You
can
see
it's
a
it's
a
metal
wall
kind
of
corrugated
metal,
where
these
different
bands
of
the
gray
are
and
then
the
different
panels
of
the
gray
like
on
these
stair
tower
portions
of
the
facade
are
a
cement,
fiber,
cement
type
material
concrete
on
the
parking
garage
elevation,
which
is
also
screened
with
these
metal
mesh
screen
elements,
and
then
the
the
pink
kind
of
highlight
color
worked
in
different
elements
of
the
project
like
these
fixed
windows
and
signage
and
planters,
to
give
it
some
accent.
Coloring.
M
I'll
note
that
all
these
plans
are
on
the
drc
website
under
the
april
21
meeting
folder
so
feel
free
to
take
a
look
at
at
that
folder
to
look
at
these
for
your
leisure
here's
some
examples
of
different
projects.
M
M
Here's
some
sites
of
the
current
conditions
more
or
less
this,
this
bridge
and
our
way
that's
kind
of
under
capacity
as
far
as
weight
and
therefore
like
fire
access,
wouldn't
be
feasible.
M
Then
the
landscape
plan,
so
I'll
just
hit
some
highlights
of
how
this
project
conforms
with
the
development
impact
areas
as
far
as
water,
quality
and
storm
water
goes,
there's.
Definitely
an
increase
in
landscaping
overall,
for
this,
for
this
property
and
silva
cells
are
proposed
in
the
tree
wells
along
artful
way,
there's
also
a
green
roof
proposed
for
the
parking
garage
ramp
element
that
you
can
see
here.
M
It's
also
sorry
as
parking
multimodal
transportation.
New
sidewalks
are
going
to
be
built
on
artful
way
and
klingman
ave
extension,
and
there
is,
you
know,
discussion
about
the
potential
for
this.
This
rendering
makes
it
look
closer
than
it
really
is,
but
where
artful
way
ends,
there's
still
quite
a
distance
before
you
get
to
haywood
street,
but
you
know
the
project.
I
think
team.
M
In
the
in
the
future
kind
of
been
encouraged
to
think
about,
maybe
pedestrian
connections
to
to
haywood
road,
so
it
wouldn't
be
as
isolated,
because
currently
the
road
just
ends
at
the
top
of
this
hill.
M
M
No
there's
no
explicit
equity
or
racial
justice
component
identified
in
this
project
as
far
as
public
safety
goes
no
explicit
discussion
of
that,
but
the
area
kind
of
seeing
the
photos
is
a
little
bit
of
a
no
man's
land.
Currently
so
obviously,
you
know
adding
life
back
to
this
area,
who's
already
kind
of
begun
to
redevelop
going
up
the
art
full
way.
M
Road
will
definitely
increase
public
safety.
Overall,
it's
kind
of
off
the
beaten
path
of
the
wilma
dikeman
greenway.
M
There
has
been
some
public
comment
received
on
this,
perhaps
more
at
the
next
drc,
formal
review
of
it,
and
no
significant
noise,
odor
or
negative
impacts
identified
with
the
project.
M
Here's
more
details
on
on
landscape
species.
It's
I
think
the
landscaping
got
definitely
good
reviews
of
the
informal
drc
review.
It's
you
know,
meets
code
and
then
goes
a
little
bit
beyond
it
as
well.
Some
of
the
design
elements
the
project
like
planters
and
benches
some
ideas
how
they're
going
to
screen
their
dumpster
enclosures
that
sort
of
thing,
so
that's
kind
of
it.
As
far
as
what
I
have
to
say,
you
know,
I
guess
open
it
up
to
comments
and
questions
and
let
the
project
team
chime
in
as
needed.
F
Thanks
will
for
that.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
heard
you
correctly
that
there's
zero,
affordable
housing
units
projected
with
the
project
and
my
limited
understanding
of
this
process
is
if
these
developments
don't
offer
affordable
housing
that
they
contribute
to
the
community
and
other
you
know
or
contribute
to
the
there's
other
ways
that
they
can
sort
of
work
around
that
for
lack
of
a
better
term
and
so
help
me
fill
in
that
blank
if
that's
even
accurate
and
then.
F
Secondly,
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
this
diversifies
the
housing
in
our
in
our
area
or
in
that
in
the
river
arts
and
I'm
curious
if
it
doesn't
offer
any
affordable
housing
units.
How
that
would
diversify.
Help
me
understand
what
you
meant
by
that
statement.
Thank.
M
You
sure
so
to
your
first
question,
this
is
not
a
conditional
zoning
project.
I
should
mention
that
it's
small
enough
to
be
a
level
two
review,
and
you
know,
typically,
if
a
project
is
going
for
commercials
conditional
zoning
to
city
council
they'll,
probably
include
some
affordable
housing.
This
project
is
is
not
going
to
city
council
for
review
as
currently
proposed.
M
So
there
will
be
that
you
are
correct,
though,
that
if
the
project
does
not
typically
have
affordable,
housing,
there's
usually
other
benefits
of
the
project,
but
that's
typically
more
in
a
conditional
zoning
case,
and
this
project
is
not
that
and
then,
as
far
as
like
the
diversified
housing
stock,
that's
that's
more
or
less
just
the
name
of
the
goal.
M
In
the
living
asheville
plan
so
that
the
goal
is
called
increase
and
diversified
housing
supply,
I
can't
I
can't
speak
to
how
this
project
necessarily
diversifies
the
housing
supply,
but
it
certainly
increases
it.
E
Radha
before
the
business
owners,
association
and
community-
and
you
know
there
was
no
no
negative
comment-
I
think-
for
the
neighborhood-
we
need
people
living
in
the
neighborhood.
The
crime
aspect
that
was
that
was
mentioned
is
real
and
actually
jeremy
is
facing
it
even
in
the
place
that
he
has
already
developed.
So
I
think
this
is
being
greeted
pretty
well
very
well
by
the
neighborhood.
I
mean
it's
it's
interesting
because
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
housing
fairly
soon,
but
to
get
people
there
overnight
is
really
important
for
the
neighborhood.
K
Sure
we're
showing
27
apartment
units
on
levels
three
and
four,
and
then
we
have
34
long-term
rental,
I'm
sorry,
27,
hotel
units
levels,
three
and
four
and
then
34
long-term
apartment,
rentals
on
levels,
five
and
six.
And
I
will
note,
though,
that
the
hotel
units
are
being
designed
exactly
like
the
apartment
units
so
that
they
can
be
converted
to
long-term
units
in
the
future.
They
will
have
full
kitchens.
B
Thank
you
and
then
maybe
jeremy
do
you
have
a
timeline
of
when
it
might
one
break
ground
and
two
might
open,
and
maybe
this
may
be
the
first
hotel,
depending
on
the
progress
of
the
of
the
kent
building
opened
in
the
district.
H
Yeah,
I
don't
know
what
the
radicals
time
frame
is,
but
this
summer
breaking
ground
early,
24
completion.
B
J
B
So,
thank
you
for
the
the
courage
it
takes
to
to
do
something
like
this.
B
So
I
guess
we'll
move
on
then
will
to
redwood
commons.
M
Yes,
sir,
so
now
I
will
give
some
background
about
another
development
project
in
the
area
called
redwood
commons.
We
also
have
folks
from
the
development
and
design
team
here
with
us
this
evening
as
well.
M
So
this
project
is
located
in
the
swannanoa
east
design
area.
It's
at
21
governor's
view
road
situated
between
swannanoa
river
road,
in
governor's
view
road,
as
you
can
see
in
this
area
here.
This
is
exactly
all
these
that
is
across
on
the
river
on
tree
boulevard.
You
can
just
see
the
blue
tree
boulevard
bridge
here.
M
The
project
team
is
working
on
securing
all
the
affordable
housing
tax
credits
and
things
currently,
so
they
have
been
to
the
informal
drc
last
month,
they're
coming
for
a
formal
review
this
month
and
then,
if
that
goes
well,
they
will
then
go
to
planning
and
zoning
in
may,
because
this
is
a
large
enough
project
to
require
a
conditional
zoning
from
the
current
zoning
district
to
the
residential
expansion
district
and
then
eventually
city
council
approval.
M
So
you
can
see
you
know,
the
project
is
kind
of
situated.
The
building
itself
is
situated
more
towards
the
south
of
the
site,
with
the
parking
in
the
north
between
it
and
governor's
view
road.
M
A
lot
of
that
is
just
due
to
the
kind
of
the
terrain
of
the
projects,
some
of
the
challenges
with
the
site,
including
this
fema
floodway,
located
in
the
southeast
of
the
site.
Here
sorry,
some
details
about
the
building
itself
here,
just
some
floor
plans,
so
it's
kind
of
l-shaped
double-loaded
corridor
has
some
functions
like
a
community
room
and
that
sort
of
thing
see.
Okay,
here.
M
Of
the
building
renderings
and
elevations,
so
it's
proposed
to
be
four
stories
in
height
and
the
materials
are
a
little
more
economical.
Given
that
it's
a
affordable
housing
project,
that's
going
to
require
tax
credits
and
other
funding
mechanisms.
M
A
lot
of
the
material
is
they're
proposing
currently
as
as
vinyl
vertical
siding
in
this
darker
color,
with
vinyl
horizontal
siding
in
a
lighter
color.
M
They
will
be
seeking
bids
to
to
use
potentially
cement
board,
siding
instead
and
to
compare
the
costs
on
that,
and
if,
if
it's
able
to
be
done,
they
will
be
kind
of
upgrading
the
materials,
but
the
baseline
is
the
is
the
vinyl
exterior,
there's,
also
a
thin
stone
veneer
proposed
in
the
center
portion
of
the
building,
as
well
as
on
some
of
the
side
elevations,
and
that
also
continues
through
the
base
of
the
building
all
the
way
around.
M
So
this
is
the
north
elevation
at
the
bottom.
That
faces
the
parking
lot
kind
of
has
the
main
entrance
feature
with
the
canopy
and
the
sign
with
the
project
name
and
the
street
number
on
it.
M
This
is
the
east
elevation,
so
I
guess,
if
you're
coming
down
governor's
view
road
to
the
west.
This
is
what
you
see.
This
is
kind
of
the
end
of
the
l
shape
on
the
right.
M
See
here's
the
south
elevation,
so
you
would
see
from
swannanoa
river
road-
and
this
is
the
other
end
of
that
other
end
of
that
l
on
the
right
and
the
west
elevation
here.
M
Some
renderings
of
the
project
leave
it
up
for
a
second.
So
as
far
as
project
impact
development
review
goes,
you
know
it's
definitely
constrained.
As
far
as
the
the
storm
water
goes
with
the
female
floodway,
no
innovative
stormwater
approaches,
but
it
will,
I
think,
improve
the
quality
of
the
overall
plantings.
There
are
some
some
large
trees
in
the
site.
There's
it's
kind
of
overgrown
with
a
lot
of
vines,
and
so
the
overall
planting
of
the
slope
will
be
higher
quality.
M
There
will
be
new
sidewalks
constructed
along
saw
no
river
road
and
governor
view.
Road
go
back
to
the
site
plan.
M
So
then,
the
sidewalk
network
is
improved
along
both
frontages,
but
there's
also
kind
of
these
paths
that
are
going
to
be
paved
that
connect
around
the
site.
They
also
connect
down
to
spondo
river
road
on
the
sidewalk.
That's
on
a
ramp,
that's
an
ada
accessible
grade,
so
that
will
connect
you
down
to
savannah
river
road
and
then
currently,
where
the
bus,
shelter
is
literally
just
a
sign
on
the
grass
on
the
side
of
the
road.
M
There
will
be
an
improved
bus,
shelter
as
part
of
this
project,
and
then
the
sidewalk
will
continue
to
the
edge
of
the
property
here
and
those
are
at
least
five
feet
wide
five
feet
wide,
sidewalks,
it's
all
residential,
so
except
for
adding
more
patrons
to
the
area,
doesn't
affect
the
specific
economic
or
business
climate
there.
M
The
residential
climate
definitely
adds
more
folks
living
there
and
they're
all
going
to
be
at
an
affordable
rate.
The
urban
design.
You
know
it's
definitely
a
more
economic
style
building,
just
the
overall
direction
of
it,
but
I
think
the
architect
has
worked
well
to
kind
of
incorporate
different
elements
to
it.
That
blend
well.
M
With
this
district
of
the
of
the
riverfront,
which
is
a
little
more
commercial
and
somewhat
suburban
as
compared
to
like
a
core
district,
so
I
think
in
that
regard
it
is
it
fits
in
with
the
surroundings.
M
You
know,
as
far
as
the
sustainability
in
the
environment.
There
are
some
interesting
features
proposed
like
this
covered
picnic
area
for
folks,
and
also
these
raised
garden
beds
that
can
act
as
a
community
garden.
M
Let's
see
no
no
specific
equity
or
racial
justice
component
of
a
project,
public
safety,
nothing
specific,
but
you
know,
definitely
adds
more
folks
to
the
area
which
increases
the
public
safety
just
inherently.
M
It
will
help
connect
to
the
the
new
spontaneous
greenway
by
providing
the
connection
through
the
site
down
to
swannano
swanano
river
road,
where
it
will
connect
to
that
new
proposed
greenway
also
addresses
a
few
goals
in
the
living
national
comprehensive
plan,
such
as
encouraging
responsible
growth,
increasing
and
diversifying
the
housing
supply
and
promoting
the
development
and
affordable
and
availability
of
affordable
and
workforce
housing.
M
A
little
bit
of
public
comment
received
and
they've
definitely
had
their
required
community
neighborhood
meeting
as
part
of
this
process,
and
it
will
be
a
few
additional
public
hearings
between
the
drc,
planning
and
zoning
and
city
council,
and
there
are
no
identified
noise,
odor
or
negative
impacts
associated
with
the
process,
and
that
is
it
for
me.
There's
also
site
plans.
The
landscape
plans
included
as
well.
M
It's
a
plan
that
you
know
meets
the
meets
the
code
requirements
and
there
were
some
suggestions
of
the
last
drc
review
of
ways
to
improve
the
landscaping,
but
it
is
in
compliance
with
the
udo's
landscape
requirements.
B
I
have
a
question,
sir:
was
there
a
specific
reason?
You
chose
this
parcel
of
land.
N
N
You
know
as
well
as
jobs
in
the
area
that
there's
there's
kind
of
a
whole
list
of
things
that
sort
of
get
into
a
matrix
that
sort
of
help
it
score.
So
that's
kind
of
the
first
you
know
blush.
I
guess
you
would
say
that
that
we
would
go
through
to
try
to
identify
sites
within
the
community.
So
you
know
that
was
sort
of
initially
how
we
landed
here-
and
you
know
we've
done.
N
You
know
at
this
point
we're
we're
sort
of
approaching
our
second
submittal
for
funding
that
that
will
mention.
So
you
know,
part
of
that
is,
is
getting
our
zoning
in
place.
So
you
know
in
a
lot
of
ways
the
design
is
still
very
early,
but
we,
you
know,
have
done
a
you
know.
We
did
a
sort
of
initial
market
study
to
determine
what
the
need
was
in
the
area.
N
At
our
you
know,
initial
sort
of
preliminary
trc
meeting
we
talked
with
city
staff
and
got
some
great
feedback
on
you
know
their
knowledge
of
the
need
for
affordable
housing,
not
only
in
the
city
but
in
this
area,
and
so
at
this
point
the
state
housing
authority
has
actually
committed
a
market
study.
That
is
really
what
has
you
know,
influenced
our
our
unit
counts
to
70
and
the
you
know
there's
a
very
high
demand
in
asheville,
so
you
know
we
we've.
N
B
Yes,
thank
you
and
my
follow-up
is:
do
you?
Do
you
expect
the
the
tenants
to
be
those
who
already
live
in
asheville
or
from
out
of
town
moving
to
retire
here.
N
I
mean
we,
we
would
exp,
I
mean,
probably
you
know,
possibly
a
combination
of
both,
but
you
know
the
expectation.
You
know
the
market
study.
You
know
it's
not
that
there's
an
anticipation
that
people
might
be
there
and
a
demand
might
be
there.
You
know
the
market
study
you
know,
tells
us
and
guides
us
to
know
where
there
is
an
existing
demand
that
within
the
community
you
know
and
specifically
where
we're
looking
there
is
a
demand
for
the
housing.
N
So
you
know
down
to
the
number
of
units
and
it
also
sort
of
helps
us
sort
of
structure
the
project.
So,
as
will
mentioned,
this
will
be
100
affordable.
You
know,
I
think
brendan
mahoney
might
still
be
on
the
line
here.
Who
works
with
me
as
well?
Yeah
he's
more
directly
involved
on
the
the
financing
side,
but
I
believe
we're
targeting
20
to
60
percent
of.
J
I
can
touch
on
that
a
little
bit
we'll
be
just
we'll
be
targeting
at
the
that's
actually,
the
30
level,
the
50
level
in
the
percent
level
and
the
market
study
pretty
much
showed
us
that,
in
the
immediate
era
area
of
this
site,
that
there
is
a
need
where
the
capture
rate's
not
going
to
exceed,
I
think
eight
percent,
so
we're
not
even
hitting
eight
percent
of
the
need
that
currently
exists.
J
Based
on
the
market
study
we
received
from
the
state
and
everything
aaron
said
about
the
location
is
we
we
have
to
hit
a
perfect
site
score
to
even
be
competitive,
to
receive
award,
and
you
know
those
kind
of
create
little
pockets
of
places
within
asheville
and
around
the
state
that
we
can
do
that,
and
this
is
one
of
those
sites
that
meets
all
the
requirements
for
a
perfect
site
score
that
the
state
has
laid
out.
J
B
E
I
feel
like
I
want
to
channel
jane
on
this
one.
You
know
I
like
the
idea
of
changing
the
the
siding.
I
get
it
that
this
is
affordable
and
you
know
you
got
to
squeeze
it
in
and
I'm
glad
that
the
affordability
for
seniors
is
available.
Aesthetically,
it's
you
know,
I
understand
it,
it's
not
exciting.
It's
not
exciting
like
jeremy's
is,
but
if
the,
if
you
go
to
the
that
cement
siding,
it
just
seems
like
it'll
be
prettier
for
longer,
but
that's
a
layman's
description.
N
We
appreciate
the
comment
and
we
agree.
You
know
some
of
this
is
just
driven
that
right
now.
You
know,
as
we
all
know,
the
market's
a
little
bit
crazy.
So
all
material
pricing
is
has
gotten
pretty
extreme
and
as
we've
we've
talked
with
the
design
review
committee
and
trc,
you
know
we.
N
We
have
another
project
right
now
in
kernersville
north
carolina
that
is
really
experiencing
those
cost
escalations
and
we're
we're
in
a
position
where
we're
trying
to
sort
of
scale
back
from
cement
board
and
some
other
items
so
we're
trying
to
sort
of
proactively
plan.
For
that,
I
guess
you
could
say
in
this
scenario,
but
you
know
we
also
understand.
You
know
the
the
need
for
quality
materials
where
you
know
here
today
is
the
developers,
but
we
also
have
a
management
arm.
N
So
this
is
not
simply,
you
know
a
building
that
we're
going
to
flip
and
walk
away
from.
We
will
be
managing
it.
So
we
have
an
active
interest
in
in
having
quality
materials
and
having
a
building
that
you
know,
we'll
we'll
we'll
be
an
asset
in
the
community
will
be
a
value
to
the
site.
That
will
will
be
there
and
you
know,
look
good
for
a
number
of
years.
N
That's
you
know,
certainly
a
goal
that
we
share
and
you
know
we
certainly
think
there
are
ways
to
to
do
that
economically,
but
you
know
we're
we're
also.
N
You
know
here
to
to
listen
and
understand,
and
you
know
if
there's
a
strong
desire
in
the
community,
for
you
know
some
upgrades
and
in
materials
like
I
said
we're
early
enough
in
the
process
that
we
can
start
to
try
to
budget
for
those
things.
So
we're
we're
trying
to
you
know
we're
here
to
listen
and
hear
those
concerns.
So
thank
you.
J
We
have
an
interest
in
having
the
best
product
out
available
as
we
have
a
management
arm
and
we
have
to
manage
it
for
the
15
to
20
year
period.
So
we
would.
J
We
would
like
to
use
those
materials
as
well,
but
just
not
knowing
what
the
cost
could
end
up
being
in
a
year
two
years
when
we
start
construction,
we
just
don't
know
if
we
want
to
be
locked
in
having
to
use
those
materials
if
they
experience
a
sudden
price
increase
or
something
that
we
weren't
expecting
that
they're
currently
at
now
or
things
like
that,
we
just
kind
of
want
to
leave
it
open,
but
we
would
like
to
put
out
the
best
product
we
can.
B
All
right
we're
going
to
move
on
now
to
subcommittee
update
tim.
Do
you
have
a
parking
mobility
update.
E
Well,
the
one
thing
we
were
working
on
was
the
trying
to
get
the
grant
money
for
the
trolley.
That
goes
will
someday
go
from
the
museum
to
a
river
arts
place,
and
my
understanding
is
that
seeing
the
scoring
that
the
funding
we
probably
won't,
get
the
the
funding
I
mean,
I
know,
there's
still
a
council
person
on
this
meeting.
If
we
could
get
one.
E
We
could
get
it
started,
so
I'll
still
hold
out
hope,
but
I
think
we
put
it.
It
was
good
for
the
process.
It's
been
a
long
process,
but
we've
been
working
on
this
for
a
while.
We
have
more
people
involved,
having
j
black
wall
street
avl
in
and
radba,
in
we're
going
to
search
for
other
funding,
while
we
hold
out
hope
for
a
few
pennies
from
the
grant.
No,
but
I
listened
to
the
grant
presentations
and
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
needs.
So
I
understand
where
we
stand
in
the
status.
E
That's
that's
where
I
am
other
than
being
frustrated
with
transportation
in
the
city
right
now,
but
I
think
I
voiced
that
enough.
You
know
time
to
go.
B
To
dinner
well,
thank
you
we're
down
to
our
last
few
commissioners,
let's
see
here
so
our
the
next
point
is
the
our
next
month's
meeting
is
planned
to
be
a
an
in-person
meeting
at
city
hall,
and
it
will
consist
mostly
of
a
summit
and
I'll.
Let
anne
give
you
an
update
to
what
that
agenda
will
likely.
Look
like.
I
The
first
speaker
will
be
landon
davidson
from
deq
he's
going
to
talk
about
the
water
quality
status
of
a
major
part
of
the
river
flowing
through
the
city
and
then
we'll
have
jay
hawthorne
who's
on
the
french
broad
river
partnership
steering
committee
and
business
business
and
recreation
subcommittee
he's
going
to
present
the
economic
impact
study
results.
I
Marshall
taylor
from
the
storm
water
task
force
is
going
to
talk
about
some
proposals
from
the
task
force
that
could
improve
stormwater
and
stormwater
management
in
the
city
and
then
renee
portner
is
going
to
talk
about
the
central
asheville
watershed
and
the
south
side
project
there
at
livingston
in
the
public
housing
area,
she's
been
making
great
progress
on
getting
funding
and
starting
to
work
on
it.
I
But
of
course,
there's
more
that's
needed,
so
we
thought
that
would
be
a
really
good
way
to
start
the
education
exchange
or
information
exchange
and
then
perhaps
in
the
fall,
we
could
have
a
meeting
that
would
focus
on
getting
people.
You
know
like
what
can
we
do
about
it
sort
of
deal?
We
know
the
causes,
we
know
the
issue,
we
know
the
causes
at
this
meeting.
We
talk
about
those
and
then
maybe
down
the
road
we
look
at.
I
How
can
we
build
some
community
support
and
input
to
help
motivate
us
all
as
a
city
to
to
address
the
issues?
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
approach
we
were
looking
at.
B
B
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work.
It's
it's
so
so
appreciated
and
I'm
I'm
I'm
very
hopeful
and
confident
that
this
live
in-person
meeting
will
be
an
eye-opener
for
the
commissioners
and
hopefully
some
on
city
council
and
the
buncombe
county
commission
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
find
ways
to
to
make
a
positive
impact
so
yeah
we
will
share
more
information,
as
we
put
it
together
to
the
commissioners
through
email.
B
So
arpa
so
we'll
know
definitively
on
april
25th,
which
arpa
grants
will
be
funded
it
it
appears,
commissioner
sloan
is
not
here.
Was
there
any
live
public
comment
or
any
excuse
me
on
any
college
on
the
phone.
E
B
A
motion
to
I
beat
you
goldstein.
B
Well,
thank
you
all
for
sticking
sticking
through
the
whole
meeting.
I
thought
it
was
a
good
meeting
and
I
appreciate
everybody.
Yeah.