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Okay,
all
right
well,
we'll
I
I
can
see
her
so
hopefully
that'll
count
and
we
got
a
message
from
dennis
that
he's
having
a
hard
time
getting
on
and
looks
like.
I
just
got
a
message:
sc2,
let's
see
what
she
says.
C
Oh
yes,
would
somebody
reach
out
to
essie,
maybe
nia.
C
C
I
second
thank
you.
Catherine
we've
had
a
motion
and
a
second
to
accept
the
minutes
and
we
will
again
do
the
wrong
the
accepting
of
the
minutes.
Ms.
C
Simmons
and
we
have
to
unmute
miss
simmons.
C
C
Yes
glad
you're
here,
lauren's.
E
F
C
Sorry
about
that
scales,
hi
what'd,
you
do
surely
bite.
C
C
Okay,
I
think
we
can
accept
the
minutes
as
approved
and
second
and
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
the
meeting
over
to
kritina.
J
Thank
you
so
much
welcome
good
afternoon
co-chairs
good
afternoon
task,
force
members
and
those
that
are
joining
us
from
home.
At
this
time.
I
am
going
to
ask
anybody,
not
speaking
if
you
can
make
sure
your
mic
is
muted,
please
we're
getting
a
little
bit
of
feedback
and
I
want
to
apologize
in
advance
for
the
tech
issues
today.
I
know
I
also
am
having
a
little
bit
of
a
busted
mic,
so
I
apologize
in
advance
if
you
all
hear
any
feedback
as
we
do
this
work
online.
J
There
were
tasks
that
were
assigned
the
task
force
that
I'll
go
more
over
in
depth
whenever
we
move
through
the
presentation,
but
I
just
want
to
name
that
today's
agenda,
as
you
can
refer
to
it,
either
online
for
those
that
are
here
on
the
call
in
the
chat
box,
and
you
can
follow
us
along
as
we
go
through
our
presentations
from
the
task
force
members
and
that
today's
conversation
will
be
a
deliberation
of
sorts.
J
There
will
be
a
discussion
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
task
force
members
both
around
the
three
pathways
of
recommendation
and
hear
from
them
as
they
offer
their
final
words
and
statements
to
you.
All
next
week's
meeting
will
be
focused
on
a
public
vote.
We
will
be
joined
by
the
buncombe
county
board
of
commissioners
as
well
as
actual
city
council
members
at
that
time,
and
we
will
be
posting
the
agenda
as
usual
by
tuesday
of
this
coming
week.
J
The
due
diligence
and
the
small
group
to
see
if
there
are
any
task
force
members
that
have
questions
comments
or
needs
around
any
public
comments
that
you
received
or
any
updates
that
you've
made
to
the
folders
that
you
want
to
make
others
aware
of
as
we
go
into
this
final
week
or
any
needs
that
you
have.
J
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
my
attention.
Let's
see
miss
shirley,
you
are
unmuted,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
can
hear
you
still
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
a
bluetooth
connection
on
your
computer
or
if
your
volume
on
your
computer
is
down.
The
other
option
is
for
you
to
try
calling
in
if
you'd.
J
J
You
can
also
type
in
your
question
or
comment
in
the
chat
box,
miss
shirley.
If
you
would
like
to
do
that
and
I'll
read
it
aloud.
J
Okay,
so
at
some
point
I'll
get
that
question
or
comment
from
this
shirley
before
we
move
into
the
presentation,
I
do
want
to
name
pretty
soon
into
the
presentation.
We
will
have
the
small
group
leaders
report
out
from
their
small
group
conversations.
J
I
know
ms
shirley
is
the
group
leader
for
the
repurposed
group,
and
so
since
she
is
having
some
tech
issues,
I
wonder
if
anybody
else
in
that
small
group
could
be
thinking
about-
or
maybe
you
all
want
to
discuss
amongst
yourselves
as
I'm
getting
started.
If
somebody
else
can
offer
that
report
out
for
a
repurpose
while
she's
getting
reconnected
so
with
that
being
said,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
to
share
my
screen
here.
So
if
you
can
just
bear
with
us
here,
look
at
this
sharing
and
miss
shirley.
J
J
J
Okay,
so
we'll
move
into
and
again
miss
shirley.
If
you
want
to
put
it
in
the
chat
box,
I
will
be
sure
to
check
out
your
comment
in
just
a
moment
and
if
the
repurposed
group
wants
to
just
chat
amongst
yourselves
to
make
sure
that
we
can
hear
from
you
all
in
just
a
moment.
J
We
recognize
that
it
is
important
for
us
to
have
conversations
to
share
back
what
has
been
learned
and
gained
since
this
resolution,
just
really
briefly,
to
touch
on
the
overview
of
the
task
force
scope
that
this
work
really
was
initiated
at
the
resolutions
that
were
passed
by
asheville
city
council,
welcome
county
board
of
commissioners
and
through
that
resolution,
this
task
force
that
has
been
putting
in
time
for
the
past
12
weeks
was
formed
and
charged
with
making
a
decision
by
november
19th,
which
is
next
week's
meeting.
J
This
is
just
a
overview
of
the
timeline,
and
I
know
there
are
quite
a
few
words
here,
but
just
to
kind
of
provide
a
visual
of
the
work.
That's
been
done
with
within
this
task
force
over
the
three
months
that
they
were
charged
with
completing
the
recommendation,
as
well
as
meeting
the
other
expectations
for
identifying
african-american
historians
looking
at
financial
implications
and,
of
course
doing
their
due
diligence
with
the
recommendation
august
20th
september
3rd
and
september.
J
10Th
dates
was
really
a
time
of
orientation
outlining
the
timeline,
overlooking
the
strategy
and
needs
in
order
to
complete
the
scope
of
work,
taking
special
care
to
gather
citizen
input,
especially
those
impacted
by
the
history
and
meaning
of
the
monument
september
17th,
24th
and
october
1st
meetings.
J
J
We
have
been
supported
in
this
process
by
the
buncombe
county
and
city
of
asheville
staff
teams,
and
many
of
you
have
been
tuning
in
and
following
along
you've
heard
from
these
amazing
accomplices
and
completing
this
recommendation,
and
they
also
took
charge
for
making
sure
that
there
were
press
releases,
social
media
posts
psas
as
well
as
banners
direct
outreach
to
community
members
and
leaders
and
many
other
means
of
organizing
the
community
and
making
sure
that
the
voices
of
the
community
were
uplifted
and
heard
october.
J
22Nd
and
29th
were
the
two
hosted
virtual
town
halls,
which
I
don't
know
if
those
have
necessarily
been
done
before.
We
had
to
really
reimagine
how
the
town
halls
and
listening
sessions
could
happen
in
light
of
covid
and
wanting
to
also
be
mindful
of
public
safety,
and
so
the
task
force
members
went
about
a
process
of
designing
those
town
halls
and
hearing
from
elders,
students,
parents,
advanced
family
descendants
and
african-american
community
members
was
able
to
happen
successfully
as
part
of
that
process.
J
J
Okay,
great,
thank
you
so
much,
and
please
continue
to
do
to
do
that
and
let
me
know
I
think
it.
It
seems
like
we're
having
problems
with
tech
today.
So
grace
is
appreciated.
J
Okay,
so
last
two
points
on
this
slide.
So
after
the
virtual
town
halls,
which
last
week
the
task
force
members
went
about
a
process
of
due
diligence
and
many
had
been
meeting
prior
to
that
point
on
the
recommendation
to
remove
relocate
or
repurpose,
which
we'll
hear
more
about
in
just
a
moment,
and
this
meeting
as
well
as
the
next
meeting
is
going
to
really
be
the
meetings
where
the
task
force
members
are
zooming
in
on
presenting
their
findings.
J
That
really
has
been
the
culmination
of
this
small
group
work
last
week
in
prior
research,
asking
questions
and
hearing
from
historians
and
educators,
as
well
as
reviewing
public
comments,
and
I
can
safely
say
that
the
task
force
members
paid
careful
attention
to
make
sure
that
they
got
every
every
single
comment
and
reviewed
those
as
part
of
this
process.
J
That
being
said,
the
next
and
final
meeting
once
again
will
be
the
vote
of
the
final
recommendation,
and
at
that
time
there
will
be
just
a
couple
of
statements,
acknowledgements,
I
believe,
from
our
co-chairs,
and
then
this
will
be
presented
to
the
asheville
city
council,
as
well
as
the
balkan
county
board
of
commissioners,
and
this
will
enter
another
phase
and
the
scope
of
this
particular
task
force
will
at
that
time
be
considered
complete.
J
So
with
that
being
said,
I
want
to
apologies,
didn't
realize
that
I
wasn't
fully
sharing
so
this
time.
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
the
selected
group
leader.
I
want
to
check
in
with
my
shirley
to
see
if
you
can,
if
your
volume
is
working-
and
we
can
hear
you
if
you
want
to
go
on
or
if
somebody
else
needs
to
take
your.
J
J
J
Okay,
yeah,
we
can't
hear
you
miss
shirley,
unfortunately,
I'm
so
sorry.
I
know
you
were
ready
to
go.
I'm
wondering
if
another
group
member
is
willing
to
support
and
provide
an
overview
for
this
particular.
G
Our
first
major
bullet
was
repurposing
to
transform
the
monument
to
become
an
educational
lighthouse
for
learning
about
african-american
contributions
to
asheville
and
buncombe.
County
repurposing
would
preserve
an
important
piece
of
local
architecture
designed
by
richard
sharp
smith
and
built
by
local
masonic
craftsmen
repurposing
to
help
diversify
ashford's
public
art
collection,
repurposing,
to
complement
and
emphasize
the
beauty
of
our
mountains
and
our
skies
repurposing
to
contribute
to
community
healing
assembly
unity
and
re-education.
J
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
it
seems
like
people
didn't
hear
a
lot
of
slide
one
because
of
their
there
was
some
feedback.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
just
take
a
moment
to
go
back
to
those
slides
and
I'll
just
pause
on
those
slides
and
allow
people
to
to
read
it.
J
J
J
Thank
you,
mr
bernard
and
the
repurposed
small
group,
so
I
will
just
read
these
once
again
in
case
people
are
joining
the
via
phone
and
can't
see
the
screen.
J
J
J
J
J
And
I'll
just
read
these
just
in
case
people
didn't
hear
them
and
then
we'll
move
to
the
next
group
so
cons.
Why?
Why
might
you
not
recommend
repurposing,
one
repurposing
may
be
too
expensive
too
expensive.
J
Three
repurposing
fails
to
respond
to
the
african-american
and
black
asheville
demands.
Community
calls
for
removal
for
report,
repurposing
refuse
and
symbolism
could
be
misconstrued
and
let
lead
to
further
misinformation,
and
then
five
repurposing
may
be
a
missed
opportunity
to
reflect
on
african-american
contributions,
culture
and
history.
E
E
E
E
The
monument
can
continue
to
serve
as
a
symbol
of
recognition
for
a
portion
of
the
people
of
our
mountain
contextualizing,
this
story
and
allowing
us
to
preserve
history.
To
learn
from.
We
acknowledge
that
advanced
monument
and
the
footprint
the
monument
rests
on
is
a
source
of
oppression
and
painful
memories.
For
many
of
the
people
of
bunker
county
by
relocating
it
from
its
central
heart
of
downtown
nashville
to
another
location,
it
frees
the
space
to
tell
another
narrative
about
the
people
of
our
mountain
home
and
one
that
fits
the
calling
of
the
21st
century
relocating.
E
The
monument
would
align
asheville
with
communities
across
the
nation
currently
trying
to
tell
a
different
story.
Additionally,
we
want
to.
We
want
the
replacement
to
acknowledge
the
stories
of
americans,
african-americans
native
americans
and
other
indigenous
people
relocating.
The
monument
will
allow
it
to
be
interpreted
as
an
architectural
artifact,
both
as
an
opulence
and
as
a
monument
designed
by
renowned
asheville
architect,
richard
sharp
smith.
E
The
footprint
of
the
vast
monument
has
stood
as
a
space
of
power
been
controlled
by
white
people.
Since
the
arrival
of
the
settlers
to
indigenous
lands
around
1792,
it
was
a
site
where
enslaved
people
were
jailed
punished
and
then
sold
the
construct.
Its
construction
was
part
of
the
national
movement
to
reassert,
while
controlled
white
control
by
erecting
monuments
to
those
who
participated
in
the
civil
war
prior
to
1965,
it
was
a
site
of
segregated
bathrooms
and
water
fountains,
with
segregated
space
expanding
to
all
surrounding
areas
of
the
monument.
E
Further
legal
action
has
already
been
threatened
and
is
inevitable
by
persons
involving
north
carolina
general
statute,
100
regarding
monuments,
memorials
and
parks,
author
betsy,
brown
brawn
writes,
prepare
the
child
for
the
path,
not
the
path
for
the
child.
In
many
ways,
the
various
narratives
of
history
are
painful
to
groups
of
people.
E
E
E
There's
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
share.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
appropriate
time
or
not.
I
sent
it
out,
and
I
know
if
anybody
took
the
time
to
read
it.
E
I
would
hope
that
maybe
neil
could
put
it
up
for
me
and
it
has
to
do
with
an
author
and
her
name
is
caroline
randall
williams,
she's
a
graduate
of
the
university
of
mississippi
and
also
harvard
her
literary
honor
came.
I
think
in
2015,
when
she
and
her
mom
did
a
cookbook
called
entitled
soul,
food
love.
E
E
E
I
am
quite
literally
made
for
the
reasons
to
fit
them
of
their
laws
and
if
you
get
a
chance,
it's
it's
much
more
deeper
and
I
don't
want
to
waste
time
in
this
meeting,
but
I
would
encourage
you
to
take
the
time
to
google,
caroline
randall
williams
and
read
for
yourself.
I
think
it
will
touch
your
heart.
It
will
open
your
minds
and
it
will
help
you
as
we
come
to
final
vote
next
week.
E
J
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
lonnie
and
for
for
the
due
diligence
and
the
work
within
the
group.
J
M
The
information
that
we
came
up
together
with
our
team
with
our
committee,
that
was
being
scaled,
bernard
oliphant
essay,
and
it
was
a
hard
task
for
us
to
deliberate
on
this,
and
then
we
even
attended
a
google
excuse
me
a
zoom
meeting
about
telling
the
truth
about
monuments
and
my
opinion
that
the
monument
like
we
made
stated
that
it
does
not
represent
the
figure
of
vance,
nor
it's
not
a
bronze,
sculpture
advance,
and
I
hope
people
will
take
that
into
consideration
and
the
monument
could
be
incorporated
if
they
ever
wanted
to
do
an
african-american
museum
could
be
a
part
of
it
because
we
need
to
tell
the
truth.
J
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
words,
miss
shirley
and
I'm
glad
your
sound
got
situated
and
thank
you
for
for
naming
the
people
in
the
group.
I
believe
I
said
this
earlier,
but
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
for
those
that
are
tuning
in
to
the
meeting
that
the
task
force
members
went
about
this
process
with
the
small
groups
not
based
on
any
prior
vote.
J
J
So
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
again
and
we
have
one
other
small
group
to
hear
from
which
is
the
removal
group.
So
if
you
all
want
to
be
ready,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
mute
myself.
So
I
don't
cause
any
feedback
and
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
I
will
turn
it
over
turn
it
over
to
you
just
for
a.
J
N
N
Okay,
do
I
just
go
ahead
and
start
okay
cool,
so
we
compiled
this
list.
It's
a
mix
of
things
that
we
heard
during
public
comment
and
ideas
that
we
came
up
collectively
with
as
a
group,
and
so
I
guess
we'll
just
start.
N
The
first
one
is
the
passage
of
the
joint
resolution
by
asheville
city
council
and
the
buncombe
county
commissioners.
Creating
this
task
force
demonstrates
the
desire
of
community
members
and
local
government
to
remove
the
monument
officials
have
demonstrated
their
desire
to
follow,
through
with
action,
to
remove
the
monument
by
requiring
the
united
states
dollars
of
confederacy
to
remove
two
other
privately
owned,
confederate
monuments
off
of
public
lane.
This
is
something
that
we're
already
doing
in
asheville
and,
as
other
people
have
pointed
out,
doing
throughout
the
rest
of
the
country.
N
In
addition
to
several
hundred
comments
received
through
the
public
input
site,
a
petition
to
remove
advanced
monuments
started
by
local
resident
royal
harris
contains
over
94
000
signatures
in
support
of
the
proposal,
allowing
them
to
voice
their
opposition
to
the
monument
by
other
potent
means.
So
if
we
chose
to
remove
the
monument,
it
would
finally
be
a
democratic
decision
of
what
we
want
our
city
to
look
like,
and
it's
kind
of
like
reclaiming
the
rights
of
our
city,
which
is
pretty
cool.
Asheville
city,
council,
buncombe,
county
commissioners
and
malcolm
county.
N
So
that's
why
we'd
be
able
to
remove
it
within
nc
state
statute
100,
because
it
is
a
risk
to
the
safety
of
people
of
color
within
asheville,
because
they
constantly
have
to
see
it
and
be
reminded
that
we
are
choosing
to
have
a
monument
that
is
dedicated
to
white
supremacy
and
racism
angel
evidence
suggests
that
many
residents
of
visitors
have
no
knowledge
or
understanding
of
the
monument
or
the
person
it
ideals
or
means
to
represent.
N
N
Next,
our
local
economy
relies
on
millions
of
tourists
who
visit
our
community
each
year.
If
one
goal
of
tourism
officials
in
city
and
county
government
is
to
attract
a
diverse
array
of
visitors
and
perhaps
speech
residents,
a
monument
to
a
confederate
general
could
turn
turn
away.
Some,
especially
considering
the
population
trend,
suggests
that
a
majority
of
americans
would
be
people
of
color
within
the
next
50
years.
N
N
That
said,
the
economic
value
of
african-american
travelers
has
increased
to
63
billion
from
48
billion
in
2010..
So
it's
a
trend
that
more
and
more
african-american
people
are
traveling
and
willing
to
spend
money
and
of
those
african-american
travelers.
Cultural
travelers
are
the
highest
spenders
spending
an
average
of
two
thousand
dollars
per
trip,
and
cultural
travelers
are
people
who
travel
to
places
looking
to
find
american
cultural
and
heritage
attractions,
such
as
like
museums
or
dance
performances
or
monuments
or
other
historical
states,
and
that's
about
43
of
african-american
travelers.
N
So
almost
majority
of
african-american
travelers,
who
are
spending
that
63
billion
dollars,
are
looking
for
cultural
sites.
So
if
we
were
to
replace
the
monument
with
something
else
that
had
more
significance
to
the
real
history
of
asheville
and
uplifting
the
voices
of
people
of
color
within
asheville,
we
could
possibly
tap
into
a
large
amount
of
money
within
the
tourism
industry.
N
If
the
monument
is
left
in
its
original
form,
rather
than
completely
removed
or
its
material
isn't
altered,
altered
beyond
recognition,
it
will
continue
to
serve
as
a
symbol
of
white
supremacy
to
those
most
affected
by
its
presence.
So
that's
a
pro
to
removing
it
and
not
just
repurposing
it.
If
the
monument
is
removed,
it
can
make
way
for
a
new,
inclusive
and
uplifting
piece
of
public
art
created
by
black
artists
as
a
gift
to
the
black
community.
N
The
vance
family
expressed
their
solidarity
with
the
black
community
and
their
call
for
removal
cool.
So
moving
into
the
cons
we
had
five
public
discussion
of
the
monument
is
divisive
and
may
have,
and
many
have
expressed
strong
misgivings
about
removing
the
monument.
N
Ultimately,
rival
could
continue
to
fracture
the
community,
and
I
would
agree
that
asheville
is
definitely
fractured,
but
I
feel
like
it
is
fractured
in
a
way
that
historically
has
harmed
people
of
color
within
the
city,
especially
when
you
look
at
things
like
health
disparities
and
wealth
divide
like
10
000
of
the
10
000
business
owners
we
have
in
asheville
are
the
twelve
thousand
we
have.
N
Ten
thousand
are
non-minority
and
only
twelve
are
of
minority,
and
then,
when
you
look
at
fetal
mortality
rates,
82
percent
of
fetal
mortalities
are
from
black
women
compared
to
20
percent
that
are
from
white
women,
and
then
black
infant
mortality
weight
between
three
months
one
year
is
72
percent
compared
to
white
infant
mortality
rate,
which
is
31.
N
N
Rather
they
see
it
as
either
a
monument
to
an
influential
and
popular
politician
or
as
a
symbol
of
bashful
itself,
and
I
would
I
can
understand
that,
because
two
things
can
be
true
as
one
of
my
friends
likes
to
say
a
lot,
so
it
can
be
a
monument
that
this
memorializing
eventual
politician
and
influential
person.
But
if
you
look
into
his
legacy
of
what
he
actually
was
doing,
it
can
also
represent
white
supremacy.
N
J
Much
thank
you
so
much
savannah
and
thank
you.
Removal
group,
let's
see
back
here,
make
sure
I
can
start
sharing.
J
J
And
again,
thank
you
all
that
are
tuning
in
and
the
task
force
members
for
your
grace
and
patience
with
the
technology
today
and
at
this
time,
I'm
gonna
just
go
ahead
and
call
the
task
force
members
by
order
of
your
name
on
the
agenda,
and
I
would
also
start
by
saying
a
couple
things.
We
have
about
three
minutes
each
two
to
three
minutes
per
task
force.
J
Member
and
I'll
be
keeping
time
for
each
of
you
as
your
time
comes
to
share,
and
I
would
also
just
remind
you
all
and
thank
you
all
again
for
your
service
in
this
process
and
kind
of
as
a
reminder
that
there
won't
be
much
opportunity
next
week
and
next
week's
meeting
for
this
kind
of
deliberation.
J
I
can't
say
that
and
discussion
and
to
make
any
other
statements
or
or
or
queries
if
you
will
about
this
process
or
about
your
work
with
a
small
group
or
your
role
as
a
task
force
member,
and
so
this
really
is
an
opportunity
for
you
all
to
hear
from
each
other,
as
well
as
the
community
to
hear
from
you-
and
this
is
not
a
time
that
we'll
be
taking
any
sort
of
formal
vote,
but
it's
more
for
you
to
share
what
you
feel
called
to
share.
J
I
did.
I
do
want
to
go
in
order
of
the
agenda,
but
I'm
curious.
Mr
mr
bernard,
I
see
you're
unmuted,
were
you
ready?
Were
you
ready
to
go?
Were
you
saying?
Were
you
volunteering
to
go?
First,.
G
J
G
G
Okay,
I
first
like
to
thank
mr
gilliam
for
his
most
eloquent
introductory
remarks
and
asked
that
he
would
share
those
with
us
in
writing.
It
began.
G
G
G
J
Thank
you
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
go
and
order
the
agenda
and
if
you
are
not
ready
to
go
or
you
feel
like
you're,
not
ready
to
share,
you
want
to
listen
this
first
round.
That's
okay,
you
can
just
say
pass
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you
toward
the
end.
J
L
C
For
me,
being
on
the
relocate
team
did
help
me
see
the
challenges
relocating
the
monument
post,
including
the
unlikely
task
of
finding
a
site
that
could
do
historical
interpretation
as
well
as
it
being
a
white
supremacy
pilgrimage
destination
wherever
it
would
go.
I
just
don't
think
anybody's
going
to
want
it.
C
There
are
no
legal
issues
in
the
way
of
removal
due
to
public
safety
issues.
In
fact,
19
other
communities
in
north
carolina
have
already
removed
their
monuments
with
removal.
We
are
acting
in
line
with
the
great
southern
cities,
including
raleigh
charlotte
greensboro,
richmond,
montgomery,
new
orleans
and
atlanta,
which
included
the
removal
of
an
obelisk,
and
there
are
more
obelisk
removals
to
come
as
repurposing.
C
We
do
not
want
to
be
the
enduring
city
that
keeps
this
monument
to
a
person
and
time
period
connected
to
the
confederacy
and
to
jim
crow
and,
as
dr
mullen
has
said,
there's
no
way
to
repurpose
the
existing
monument.
If
it
is
renamed
with
a
few
words
removed
and
others
put
on,
it
will
always
be
the
advanced
monument
and
a
vestige
of
a
period
in
our
community
story
that
promoted
white,
supremacy
and
white
control.
C
Of
all
major
institutions,
the
monument
is
an
artifact
of
a
different
period
of
time,
plenty
of
times
I've
seen
this
community
grow
out
of
institutions
such
as
a
beloved
house
of
worship,
school
or
other
central
place
to
our
sense
of
collective
self.
We
develop
a
ritual
of
decommissioning,
the
structure
taking
it
apart
and
replacing
it
with
what
better
seats
the
needs
of
the
future.
C
This
monument
contributes
to
racism
as
a
public
health
crisis,
as
declared
by
beckham
county
health
department
and
is
also
the
part
of
the
work
of
reparations.
I
also
do
this
as
a
white
person
in
an
effort
to
center
the
voices
of
african
americans
as
we
are
directed
especially
those
of
the
more
recent
generations.
C
You
to
the
mountains
in
the
far
west
now
imagine
that
street
in
front
of
the
biltmore
building
also
for
pedestrians
only
as
it
only
provides
a
few
additional
parking
spaces
at
the
current
moment
that
opens
up
a
larger
area
for
place
making.
I
know
that
artists,
african-american
artists,
with
an
eye
towards
place
making,
can
reverse
purpose
that
site
to
tell
a
far
more
inclusive
story
about
our
mountain
home,
a
story
that
will
make
a
way
for
those
born
in
the
21st
and
22nd
centuries
ready
to
take
on
the
challenges
of
future
generations.
J
A
Sure,
thanks
for
tina,
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
say
thank
you
to
the
city
and
the
county,
first
of
all,
for
passing
this
joint
resolution,
creating
this
task
force,
if
you
all
had
not
done
that
we
wouldn't
be
sitting
here
and
for
appointing
such
a
wonderful
group
of
people
to
work
with
this
has
been
a
real
honor
and
a
pleasure
to
work
with
folks
who
are
now.
I
can
consider
colleagues,
so
this
has
been
a
wonderful
and
honoring
experience.
A
A
A
This
was
during
a
period
of
racial
violence
and
political
upheaval.
That
is
the
context
within
where
the
context
for
the
raising
of
this
monument
was
in
a
political
climate
that
was
focused
on
direct
violence
against
black
people,
for
even
daring
to
exert
their
right
to
vote,
and
it's
also
during
a
period
of
time
we
had.
We
were
continuing
to
construct
rail
and
convict
laborers
were
being
used
as
essentially
slaves.
The
13th
amendment
allows
for
slavery
within
the
confines
of
of
being
in
prison,
and
many
of
those
people
died.
A
So
I
I
just
want
us
to
think
about
and
acknowledge
the
environment
in
which
this
monument
was
was
erected
and
then,
finally,
the
people
of
our
community
have
made
it
clear
and
they've
made
it
clear.
Since
this
monument
was
rededicated
in
2015
that
a
it
never
should
have
been
restored
and
rededicated
and
b,
they
want
it
removed
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
when
we
look
at
our
public
comment,
the
overwhelming
majority
of
people
are
in
favor
of
removing
the
monument.
A
As
a
citizen
of
asheville,
a
lifelong
resident
of
asheville
and
buncombe
county
and
someone
who
is
directly
connected
to
people
who
enslaved
others
in
the
past,
I
would
like
to
see
this
monument
removed,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
moving
together
into
the
future
with
my
fellow
community
members
in
unity.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
so
much
catherine,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
sharing
your
insights
and
just
a
reminder
for,
for
everyone.
You're
welcome
to
to
acknowledge
your
preference
in
any
way
that
you
you
so
choose
and
just
as
a
reminder,
this
is
not
us
officially
taking
votes.
So
don't
feel
that
you
have
to
say
those
words.
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
very
much.
I
think
this
should
be
probably
repeated,
probably
by
all
of
us.
I
hope,
but
I
I
do
too
wish
to
thank
the
both
city
and
county
for
putting
us
together
and
the
county
specifically
for
allowing
me
to
serve
on
this
committee.
I've
definitely
learned
a
lot
and
then
working
amongst
the
peers
of
this
task
force
has
truly
been
a
pleasure.
So
I
appreciate
all
that
you
know
I'm
not
big
for
preparing
things.
O
O
So
we
therefore
we
don't
repeat
it,
but
upon
reflection,
you
know
we
have
to
look
at
what
I
committed
to
when
I
accepted
the
position
on
this
task
force
in
what
the
county
and
the
city
told
us
to
do,
and
that
was
to
listen
to
the
citizens
and,
more
importantly,
those
most
affected
by
it.
O
So,
although
I
am
not
any
way
trained
in
in
history,
I
do
enjoy
it
and
it's
clear
what
the
what
the
monument
was.
O
It
may
also
be
unfortunate
that
vance's
name
is
tied
to
it,
because
I
believe
he
did
a
lot
of
good
things
other
in
his
life,
but
I
think
the
biggest
turning
point
with
me
was
from
hearing
from
a
direct
ancestor
of
vance
and
that
kind
of
put
it
in
perspective
to
me
that
he
will
be
remembered
in
history
for
what
he
has
done,
that
this
monument
does
not
need
to
be
there
for
his
legacy
to
continue.
O
So,
with
all
of
that
said,
I
have
to
go
with
the
charge
and
next
week
we'll
be
happy
to
cast
my
vote
to
remove
advanced
monument.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
working
with
all
of.
N
I
also
want
to
say
how
glad
I
am
to
have
been
able
to
work
with
all
of
y'all
and
to
move
this
process
together,
and
I
really
appreciate
all
the
pros
and
cons
that
were
presented
by
each
group
tonight
and
ultimately,
I
feel
that
the
only
decision
that
we
would
be
able
to
come
to
is
to
remove
the
advanced
monument
just
because
of
the
fact
that
what
the
nc
statute
stipulates
and
what
ms
smiles
brought
up
about,
how
be
very
challenging
to
find
another
location
that
has
the
same
magnitude
as
our
city
square
and
also
from
the
resolution.
N
It
would
be
pretty
hard
to
repurpose
the
monument
in
such
a
way
where
the
original
shape
and
meaning
would
be
completely
untied
from
it.
So
I
just
feel
that
that's
the
only
option
we
have
and
I
really
appreciate
everything
that
we've
done
together.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
so
much
savannah
next
is
mr
lauren
skelion.
If
you're.
J
E
As
I
listened
to
katherine
and
did
some
good
math,
I
was
never
good
at
math,
but
I
think
that
came
out
to
about
a
122
years-
advanced
monument.
E
Never
ever
did
I
ever
dreamed
that
I
would
be
in
a
position
today
that
I
am
honored
to
have
been
able
to
serve
and
hopefully
make
some
kind
of
contribution
about
the
vance
monument
I've
written
mine
and
they're
posted.
I
don't
know
if
I
could
say
that
any
better,
but
I
also
want
to
share
with
you
another
monument
in
asheville.
It's
really
not
a
monument
that
took
great
pains
and
a
lot
of
fortitude
and
determination
on
the
part
of
ashford
city
council
and
the
housing
authority
city
of
asheville.
E
The
place
was
called
lee
walker
heights,
public
housing
that
was
built
specifically
for
veterans
returning
from
world
war
ii
or
major
career.
I
forgot
which
one
but
when
it
was
built
it
was
built
wrong.
It
was
only
one
way
in
one
way
out
one
of
few
in
the
entire
units:
united
states,
public
housing
developments
where
you
enter
the
house
to
the
kitchen.
E
J
Thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
all
for,
for
your
words,
everybody's
been
pretty
within
three
three
minutes,
so
we're
doing
great
on
time
and
the
people
have
more
to
say.
That's.
Okay,
too
I'll,
just
maybe
drop
in
the
chat
when
you
pass
three
minutes.
J
So
that
being
said
next,
I
wanna
welcome
on
elizabeth
harper.
If
you're
ready.
I
Yeah
I
wrote
mine
down
for
the
sake
of
brevity
and
clarity,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
removing
the
vance
monument.
When
I
was
first
appointed
to
this
committee,
I
was
in
favor
of
repurposing
thinking.
We
could
have
both
the
beautiful
architectural
structure
that
has
become
iconic
a
national
skyline,
as
well
as
a
monument
that
is
inclusive
and
welcoming
after
much
personal
reflection.
Listening
to
the
thoughtful
deliberation
of
this
committee,
and
especially
after
hearing
from
our
community,
I
no
longer
think
that
is
possible.
I
No
matter
what
sort
of
joyful
and
welcoming
artistry
is
applied
to
the
monument's
facade,
the
core
will
remain
rotten.
I
believe
we
cannot
have
anything
other
than
a
fresh
start
as
we
begin
to
acknowledge
and
address
the
ways.
Oppression
exists
in
our
community
and
the
monument
no
matter.
The
original
intent
of
its
installation
has
become
a
symbol
of
that
racism
and
oppression.
I
I
I
saw
a
clip
this
morning
of
yvette
simpson
talking
about
current
events,
and
she
said
I
want
the
kind
of
unity
that
leads
to
change
for
people
who
have
waited
for
it.
If
we
were
to
be
serious
about
reparations,
then
we
need
to
make
sure
our
actions
convey
the
weight
of
our
sincerity
and
our
readiness
to
change
thanks.
L
Can
you
all
here
you
can
hear
me
now.
Thank
you,
okay,
sorry,
this
is
poorly
prepared.
I
would
like
to
see
the
vance
monument
taken
down.
L
L
They
don't
understand
how
certain
things
can
affect
people
of
color,
and
I
I
don't
really
feel
bad
for
those
people,
because,
even
like
the
dance
monument
doesn't
really
represent,
bands
like
when
people
see
it,
I'm
sure
a
ton
of
people
in
our
community,
nothing
of
what
vance
does
and
and
just
because
of
this
structure-
and
I
think
a
lot
of
these
structures
in
america.
Don't
really
represent
the
person
that
they're
made
for
more
just
like
a
kind
of
like
a
an
offering
to
kind
of
like
a
god
by
not
having
something
specific.
That
really.
L
L
I
would
be
a
better
way
to
make
like
a
monument
for
someone,
but
that
note
I
I
just
don't
think
the
vance
monument
is
necessary
to
be
there,
that's
a
place
where
slaves
used
to
be
sold,
and
it
would
be
a
really
good
opportunity
for
an
african
american
to
make
a
statue
that
represents
african-american
culture
and
because
that
is
very
lost
in
america
and
asheville
as
well.
Asheville
seems
predominantly
like
a
white
city
and
it
doesn't
yeah.
I
think
african-american
culture
has
been
drowned
out
for
sure,
so
I
think
it
should
be
taken
down.
F
Don't
have
a
great
deal
to
say
this
evening.
I
do
want
to
thank
city
council
and
the
bunking
county
commission
for
commissioning
this
and
taking
the
step
to
do
so.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
fellow
board
members
or
task
members.
F
I
especially
want
to
thank
our
two
chairs
for
taking
on
additional
work
with
this
task
force,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
city
and
county
staff,
who
are
often
the
unsung
heroes
and
also
our
facilitator,
who
work
behind
the
scenes
to
make
these
things
happen
and
I've
gone
through
a
lot
of
thought
process
throughout
this.
This
has
been
very
interesting.
It's
been
educational,
it's
been
thought
provoking
and
I
feel
like
I
can
cast
a
vote
comfortably
next
week.
F
J
Thank
you
so
much
david.
If
you
will
meet
yourself
that
way,
we
don't
have
any
feedback.
Thank
you
so
much
and
then
next
I
want
to
welcome
on
mr
bernard
oliphant.
G
G
P
Hello,
but
first
of
all
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
hard
work
and
dedication.
I
am
really
impressed
by
what
you've
all
shared
so
far
tonight
and
for
the
past
few
weeks
now
lawrence
encouraged
us
to
be
honest
and
open
and
use
candor
I'd
like
to
bring
in
another
point
of
view
from
what
most
of
you
have
shared.
If
that's,
okay,
people
walk
by
the
monument
and
they're
reminded
of
a
sordid
history
of
slavery
and
oppression
that
hurts.
We
can
all
agree
that
we
do
not
want
that.
P
I
heard
that
on
all
the
calls
on
the
public
comments
and
that's
something
that
letting
people
be
hurt
by
this
is
definitely
wrong.
I
am,
however,
for
repurposing
and
rededicating
and
I'll
share
about
why,
on
the
presentation
on
that
today,
encapsulated
a
lot
of
things,
but
I
just
want
to
add
to
that
to
remember
the
cherokee.
That's
part
of
my
my
culture
as
well.
P
P
One
can
argue
that
history
needs
to
stay
right
where
we
can
see
it,
so
we
can
learn,
never
to
repeat
it
again.
Like
the
legend,
mr
picot
said
twice
when
visiting
our
task
force,
we
could
direct
these
resources
and
energies
into
lowering
our
crime
rate,
supporting
black
families
and
halting
black
on
black
crime.
P
Not
too
long
ago,
my
son's
friend
and
classmate,
an
eight-year-old
african-american
boy,
was
shot
by
his
mother's
black
boyfriend
in
their
asheville
home,
the
man
killed
his
mother,
his
older
sister
and
his
older
brother
right
in
front
of
him
and
his
younger
siblings,
who
were
also
shot
preventing.
Tragedies
like
this
could
easily
become
our
community's
focus.
P
This
architectural
object,
on
the
other
hand,
could
be
easily
repurposed
and
rededicated
into
an
educational
hub.
A
center
of
storytelling,
a
place
of
unity
as
lawrence
has
suggested,
a
symbol
of
the
unity
of
all
colors
of
people.
Who've
made
this
city
amazing,
a
dedication
to
the
indigenous
people
of
this
land
that
we
violently
stole
this
land
from
and,
of
course,
a
memorial
to
all
of
the
black
people
who
have
suffered
here
over
history.
P
I'd
like
to
retain
the
beautiful
artisanship
of
the
folks
who
built
this
obelisk,
which
is
a
symbol
of
life
in
god
and
baptize
it
of
its
sins
to
be
repurposed
anew.
I
know
that
is
a
big
ask.
I
hear
you
all,
I'm
not
a
voting
member.
Therefore,
if
you
all
decide
to
remove
the
monument,
I
would
hope
that
the
cherokees
specifically
are
not
forgotten,
along
with
the
black
people.
P
Who've
been
harmed
in
our
in
our
area,
and
I
hope
that
children
of
all
colors
feel
represented
and
welcomed
in
that
space
in
the
future,
as
mrs
whiteside
shared,
let's
use
that
space,
so
that
every
child
who
walks
by
this
site
100
years
from
now
feels
included.
Thank
you
all.
K
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening
for
the
record.
My
name
is
ben
scales
and
I
apologize
that
I'm
probably
gonna
go
over
the
three
minutes.
I
am
so
proud
to
serve
on
this
task
force
with
these
people,
and
I've
learned
so
much
from
them.
K
But
the
reason
I
I
want
to
take
a
little
more
time
is
because
I
am
going
to
offer
a
view
that
is
different
from
almost
all
that
we've
heard
today
in
one
of
the
first
meetings
of
this
task
force,
I
stated
my
intention
that
I
would
listen
to
the
voices
of
the
people
of
color
on
this
task
force
and
in
the
community
and
take
my
cues
and
guidance
from
them.
K
But
I'm
not
trying
to
channel
the
black
experience,
I'm
not
trying
to
see
the
world
through
black
eyes
or
walk
in
a
black
person's
shoes.
I
can't
do
those
things
I'm
a
white
man
born
and
raised
in
the
south.
Therefore,
I
can
only
offer
the
perspective
of
a
white
man.
I
can
only
offer
my
own
perspective
to
do
anything
else
I
believe
would
be
inauthentic
and
false.
K
K
City
hall
and
courthouse
buildings
to
the
jackson,
building
and
flatiron
building
and
the
grove
arcade,
the
smith
mcdowell
house,
the
grove
park
inn
and
yes,
even
the
biltmore
itself.
I
joined
the
board
of
the
preservation
society
and
one
of
the
first
project
I
worked
on
was
to
save
the
historic
hazen-hopson
building
from
demolition.
K
K
Later
I
worked
to
save
the
ivy
building
on
the
campus
of
av
tech
from
demolition.
They
were
planning
to
knock
that
building
down
for
a
parking
lot
again.
We
convinced
the
powers
it
be
that
an
adaptive
reuse
of
that
historic
building,
which
held
so
many
memories
for
so
many
was
a
better
use
of
the
resources.
K
K
Ms
shirley
talked
about
the
zoom,
call
that
she
bernard
and
I
attended
tuesday
night
well.
Yesterday,
I
spent
about
an
hour
and
a
half
talking
with
the
author
who
gave
that
talk.
He
suggested
that
we
consider
what
purpose
does.
Does
the
monument
serve
today,
not
why
it
was
built,
but
what
work
does
it
do
if
it
hurts
the
community
more
than
it
helps,
then
it
has
to
be
either
repurposed
or
removed.
K
Now,
when
I
look
upon
the
obelisk,
when
I
first
saw
it,
I
didn't
think
about
vance,
I
really
didn't
know
anything
about
vance
at
all.
Until
I
joined
this
task
force,
I
didn't
realize
how
little
I
knew
until
I
joined
this
task
force,
but
since
then
I
paid
close
attention
to
the
presentations
given
by
the
historians
and
I've
learned
significantly
more
from
the
research
I've
done
on
my
own.
K
In
saying
this,
I
don't
intend
to
denigrate
him
or
his
legacy,
but
I
believe
that
no
white
man
from
his
era,
who
was
not
an
active
abolitionist,
as
was
george
pack,
incidentally,
should
be
celebrated
in
such
a
way
in
our
town
square.
So
putting
these
things
together.
My
reverence
for
our
built
environment
and
my
recognition
advances
history
as
a
proponent
of
slavery
and
white
supremacy
leads
me
to
recommend
that
we
repurpose
and
rededicate
the
obelisk
to
recognize
one
or
more
of
the
many
african-americans
who
have
contributed
so
much
to
our
community.
K
The
first
name
that
comes
to
mind
to
me
is
james,
bester
miller,
who
liked
vance
and
pack,
and
richard
sharp
smith,
who
designed
the
monument,
was
a
mason
sworn
into
that
secret
brotherhood,
one
of
the
guiding
principles
of
which
was
equality
of
all
men,
former
slave
and
educator
isaac
dixon
is
also
worthy
of
such
an
honor.
I
believe,
and
many
others
who
I
hope,
miss
white
says.
K
K
All
right,
I
I
will.
J
Yield
so
much,
I
also
want
to
clarify
that
we
can
have
that
discussion.
We
would
extend
into
the
6
30
time
frame,
but
we
did
leave
that
option
open
for
today's
meeting.
J
Let's
move
to
the
next
person
here,
which
would
be
miss
shirley,
w
whitesides.
I
want
to
pass.
M
The
people
to
you
thank
you.
I
would
like
to
say
this
has
been
one
of
the
best
task
force.
I've
ever
worked
with
with
the
subjects
that
we
had
to
discuss.
There
was
never
anger,
anger
or
disagreement,
and
ashford
is
great
to
have
a
group
of
people
like
you,
and
I
appreciate
having
the
opportunity
to
serve.
M
We
need
to
appreciate,
learn
the
truth
about
our
history
and
if
you
take
vance
off
it
really
doesn't
matter
it
really.
As
long
as
I've
been
in
ashfield,
that
monument
has
never
bothered
me
and
to
think
you
have
something
like
that.
The
washington
monument
in
d.c-
and
I
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
take
it
down
but
ashford-
can
set
the
stage
just
like
reparations.
M
We
can
teach
other
communities
that
we
got
to
learn
to
tell
the
truth
and
weave
it
into
a
work
of
art.
So
everybody
will
be
happy
if
you
take
it
down.
You're
gonna
have
some
people
unhappy
if
you
repurpose
it.
You're
gonna
have
some
people
unhappy
and
that's
why,
in
our
first
purpose
we
said
that
obelisk
has
four
sides:
the
plaintiff
number
one
could
tell
the
truth
about
vance
and
tell
how
it
got
there.
M
The
bus
and
get
on
the
seat
get
on
the
bus
and
drink
in
color
water
and
wait
in
line
an
hour
until
all
the
white
people
have
been
waited
on
in
a
department
store
and
then
you've
been
served.
This
is
nothing
compared
to
what
a
lot
of
african-americans
have
experienced.
J
M
M
J
Thank
you
so
much
so
I
want
to
go
ahead
at
this
time
and
circle
back
and
see
if
there
is
any
if
there
are
any
additional
comments,
additional
statements
or
it
seemed
like
we
are
at
the
original
end
time.
So
I
do
want
to
check
with
the
co-chairs
and
the
task
force
members
to
see
if
we
are
extending
and
oh
thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
marked
it
down
and
I've
missed
my
own
note.
I
can't
forget
about
miss
simmons,
miss
orleans.
J
D
D
D
J
Thank
you
so
much
miss
simmons
and
thank
you
all
for
your
very
honest
and
transparent
sharing.
J
I
want
to
at
this
time
acknowledge
that
there
are
a
few
requests
to
have
things
added
from
task
force
members,
and
so,
if
you
all
can
stay
with
us,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
into
just
a
brief
round
of
discussion
and
follow-up,
and
we
had
prepared
to
be
here
at
least
until
six,
potentially
6
30.
J
If
we
did
that
said
so,
I
see
savannah
if
you
can
go
up
first
and
then
followed
by
dennis
spagnet
we'll
circle
back
to
then,
if
you
had
something
that
you
wanted
to
add
and
then
if
anybody
else
wants
to
jump
in
the
stack,
I
don't
want
to
assume
that
you
have.
You
wanted
to
jump
in
discussion
then,
but
we
can
add
you
in
if
needed,
savannah
I'll
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
you.
N
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that.
I
really
think
that
it's
time
that
we
stopped
perpetuating
the
myth
of
black
on
black
crime
and
the
misconception
that
black
people
are
plagued
by
a
pathology
of
violence,
and
I
also
want
to
say
that
studies
have
shown
that
people
commit
crime
at
the
same
rate
and
that
more
so
often,
people
who
are
not
people
of
color
tend
to
create
pro
commit
crime
at
a
higher
rate.
N
If
we
can't
simply
decide
to
be
on
the
same
page,
to
remove
a
monument
that
has
been
gained
of
public
health
safety
and
also
reaffirms
my
understanding
of
why
people
of
color
have
lost
faith
in
the
city
of
asheville
and
their
ability
to
prioritize
their
needs
and
think
about
them
and
have
their
best
interests
at
heart.
And
I
really
think
that's
why,
year
after
year,
we
see
less
and
less
black
people
and
people
of
color
within
nashville.
J
Thank
you
for
your
points
that
you
raised
savannah
so
I'll,
pass
it
over
to
dennis
pregnant.
O
Just
just
real
quick,
you
know:
lonnie
made
a
great
statement.
As
you
know,
race
is
super
hard
to
talk
about.
It's
just
never
been
comfortable,
but
I
think
the
fact
that
this
task
force
is
this
exists,
and
we
did
exactly
that
and
so
one
thank
you
lonnie
for
bringing
that
up
that
actually
keyed
in
as
far
as
moving
forward
with
this,
what
I
would
hope
that
buncombe
county
and
the
city
of
asheville
do
is
whatever
is
desired
to
go.
O
If,
if
the
removal
is
that
it
is
we've,
it
is
inclusive
of
everybody
and
there's
been
some
great
suggestions
that
were
made
just
even
within
this
task
force
about
what
could
happen.
But
I
hope
that
is
the
case
is
that
we
can
come
together
as
humans
and
and
create
an
inclusive
space
for
all,
and
that
would
be
just
just
awesome
to
see
that
happen
and
then
miss
whitesides.
What
an
eloquent,
what
an
eloquent
statement
you
had,
I
loved
every
bit
of
it.
Thank
you
for
sharing
that.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
so
much
lonnie
you're
up
next
and
then
andrea
ben.
I
didn't
see
a
yes
did.
You
say
yes,
okay,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
go
to
ben
and
then
lonnie
you'll
be
up.
Next
then,
with
me.
K
O
K
After
I'm
just
going
to
jump
to
the
end
of
what
I
was
going
to
say
and
it's
an
acknowledgement
of
what
I
just
heard-
miss
simmons
say,
and
it's
the
first
time,
I've
just.
It
means
so
much
to
me
hearing
what
she
has
to
say,
and
I
acknowledge
that
I
am
a
white
man
and
that,
as
such,
my
feelings
are
completely
and
utterly
irrelevant
to
the
mission
of
this
task
force.
K
H
K
Then
it
has
to
go,
and
I
will
honor
and
support
whatever
this
task
force
agrees
to
do.
Thank
you.
E
J
Thank
you.
It
is
9400
and
thank
you
for
catching
that
for
the
people
tuning
in
via
audio
that
I
think
savannah
might
have
read
it
as
94
000,
but
it
is
in
fact,
as
it
read
on
the
powerpoint.
E
Okay-
and
I
I
listened
very
closely
to
everybody
and
my
heart-
sort
of
went
out
to
andrea
as
she
talked,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
include
the
cherokee
nation.
This
is
not
minuscule.
This
is
equal
to
african-american
or
whatever
else
you
come
up
with,
and
I'm
going
to
assure
her
that
that
happens
at
least
from
the
committee
support
that
will
support
that
100.
P
Lawrence,
thank
you
so
much
for
saying
that.
I
I
really
really
appreciate
that.
That's
part
of
what
I
was
going
to
say.
As
a
follow-up,
we
were
tasked
in
the
onboarding
guide
to
engage
the
easter
band
of
the
cherokee.
We've
had
guests
on
and
I
just
don't
want
them
to
be
forgotten.
These
people
were
immediately
oppressed
by
white
people.
P
My
people
oppressed
my
people,
so
I
totally
resonated
with
the
document
you
shared
lonnie
and
their
burial
grounds
are
located
underneath
this
city
we're
not
sure
exactly
where,
but
we
would
be
remiss
to
ignore
that
in
our
final
recommendations,
I
just
want
to
remind
that
and
in
response
to
savannah
my
apologies
for
postulating
so
widely,
I
don't
have
any
data
with
me.
I
was
speaking
from
personal
experience.
I
worked
in
the
san
francisco
county
jail
system
for
many
years
in
the
sisters
program
and
saw
a
tremendous
amount
of
black
on
black
crime.
P
That's
a
personal
experience
of
my
own.
My
stepdad
is
black.
He's
been
my
father
for
three-fourths
of
my
life,
and
he
has
educated
me
on
the
point
of
view
that
I
shared
in
my
presentation
today
as
well.
So
as
much
as
I
have
researched-
and
I
want
to
get
into
argument
about
it,
but
I
do
want
to
share
that
a
lot
of
that
is
from
my
personal
experience
and
things
that
I've
heard
from
the
black
people.
P
J
M
M
I've
seen
more
african-americans
downtown
because
they're
coming
in
because
they
know
asheville
is
a
safe
place
as
far
as
breathing
and
they
can
feel
free,
and
I
just
want
to
say
since
I've
been
in
asheville,
I
have
expressed
experienced
racism
even
with
my
job
and
all
in
this
town,
and
that
monument
might
hurt
somebody
else,
but
it
doesn't
hurt
me
and
we've
got
to
tell
the
real
story
to
our
kids
and
learn
to
appreciate
what
we
have
to
offer
here
in
asheville.
M
They
ask
me:
where
are
the
black
people
it's
time
for
us
to
stop
to
not
be
invisible?
And
you
could
take
this
monument
and
build
on
it
and
you
don't
have
to
mention
vans.
I
think
the
sculpture
deserves
to
be
there
and
if
we
tell
the
narrative
the
right
way,
we
won't
have
that
problem,
but
I
I
just
want
to
know
that
we
as
black
people,
we
have
experienced
pain,
all
our
lives
and
not,
and
especially
from
the
eastern
part
of
north
carolina.
Martin
luther
king
jr
said
his
had
his
first
speech.
M
M
M
Now
I
know
what
racism
is
about
in
the
hurt,
but
we've
got
to
learn
to
teach
our
kids.
We
did
that
with
our
children
and
they
can
work
and
get
along
with
anybody.
We've
got
to
teach
our
kids
and
everybody.
The
true
story,
thank
you,
didn't
mean
to
get
didn't
mean
to
get
old,
but
I
have
to
tell
it
y'all,
don't
know
what
you
don't
know
what
immigration
segregations
has
been
about.
J
D
D
D
Sends
out
this
negative
message
for
me,
but
the
whole
entire
area
and
what
it
had
been
that
they
had
the
white
women
on
one
side:
black
men
on
the
other
side,
the
white
men
on
one
side,
white
women
on
the
other
side
that
had
restrooms
there
and
we
were
not
allowed
to
use.
We
were
not
allowed
to
use
them.
D
G
That
ability
takes
us
back
to
a
form
of
education
and
a
form
of
an
educational
hub
in
the
repurposing
committee.
One
of
our
key
challenging
points
was
make
it
an
educational
hub
for
the
crossroads
of
asheville
north
carolina
and,
if
you
think
about
where
asheville
stands
and
sits
we're
at
the
crossroads.
G
It
still
should
it's
part
about
also
implied
task
was
to
make
recommendations.
If
it
comes
down
what
to
do
so
part
of
our
recommendation,
I
recommend
that
we
insist
on
that
being
an
immediate
educational
hub,
not
a
hole
that
is
left
there
to
stand
for
years
or
months.
While
somebody
else
comes
together
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
it.
J
J
F
Sitting
here,
listening
to
all
the
comments
and
very
wonderful
comments,
very
thought
provoking
one
I'd
like
to
make
a
recommendation
that
when
we
do
take
the
vote
next
week
partner,
if
we
we
add
about
enough
of
what
bernard
just
said,
one
of
the
things
that
should
be
for
this,
like
removal,
should
also
follow
with
create
a
an
inclusive
space
that
we
don't
just
leave
it.
F
J
Thank
you
david.
Thank
you.
So
much
is
there
anybody
else
that
would
like
to
make
a
comment
or
pose
a
question
or
anything
else.
J
Absolutely
that's
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
say.
Thank
you,
mr
bernard,
so
if
there
are
no
additional
comments
or
questions
from
the
task
force
members,
I
do
just
want
to
bring
our
attention
to
the
task
at
hand
that
you
all
have
as
task
force
members
over
the
next
week,
recognizing
that
there
will
be
a
public
vote
on
the
19th.
J
We
are
planning
to
gather
back
here
on
our
virtual
meeting
space
at
4
30..
The
co-chairs
and
I
will
be
meeting
along
with
the
staff
team
tomorrow
to
kind
of
recap
and
debrief
this
meeting.
As
always,
if
you
all
have
any
suggestions
or
things,
you
want
us
to
consider
as
we're
planning
the
agenda
or
next
steps
between
now
and
next
thursday.
Please
be
sure
to
send
an
email,
and
I
think
that
those
are
all
of
the
recaps
and
next
steps
that
I
have
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
co-chairs
at
this
time.
D
D
And
with
that,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
at
this
time
to
adjourn
the
the
meeting
and
with
just
a
reminder
about
that.
The
next
meeting
will
be
on
november
19th
and
we
will
make
our
final
recommendations.
D
D
Thank
you.
That's
from
bernard
oliphant,
you're,
second
to
the
motion.
D
Thank
you.
It
has
been
moved
in
probably
second,
that
we
adjourn
on
the
meeting
on
this
november
12th
at
6,
25
p.m.
All
those
in
favor
please
or
oppose.
Please
answer
to
the
vote.
Coach,
deborah.
D
D
D
Bernard
elephant,
hi
and
andrea
olson
is
an
alternate
ben
scales,
aye
shirley
whitesides.
I
the
eyes,
have
it
the
meeting
stand,
adjourned
and
good
night.