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B
Great
thank
you
very
much
good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
april
27th
2022
city
of
asheville,
multimodal
transportation
commission
meeting.
My
name
is
dennis
wenzel
and
I'm
the
chair
of
this
group.
Our
meetings
continue
to
be
held
virtually,
but
there
are
many
ways
for
interested
parties
to
participate
in
this
gathering.
B
The
city
of
asheville's
engagement
hub,
which
includes
a
variety
of
links
and
phone
numbers,
can
be
found
on
the
multimodal
transportation
commission
page
of
the
city
of
asheville
website
visiting
this
page
is
the
best
way
to
take
part
in
our
virtual
meetings,
staff,
members
and
guests.
Please
remember
to
keep
your
microphones
muted
at
all
times
when
you're,
not
speaking,
so
we
can
minimize
minimize
feedback
and
other
background
noises.
I'd
like
to
now
introduce
our
commission
members
members.
When
I
call
your
name,
please
introduce
yourself
and
let
us
know
what.
B
Indeed,
what
interest
you
represent.
Randy
warren.
B
Hey
randy,
kenny
armstrong.
B
Hey
eliana
joe
archibald.
H
B
Hey
joe
elizabeth
lycus
burley
will
be
joining
us
soon
as
our
new
knack
liaison.
She
couldn't
make
it
this
week,
but
we
look
forward
to
versus
her
participation
in
the
future
meetings
and
kim
rooney.
B
B
Thank
you
leanna
and
got
a
second
yeah
I'll.
Second,
this
is
kenny,
hey
kenny,
thank
you
any
comments
or
questions
on
today's
agenda.
All
right
without
comment,
we'll
do
a
roll
call,
randy
warren.
E
I
timmy
armstrong
yep.
This
is
kenny
hi.
I
B
Welcome
back
maggie
allman
hi
leanna
aye
excellent.
How
am
I
as
well
motion
carries?
The
next
item
is
to
review
and
approve
our
minutes
from
the.
Where
are
we
at
there?
The
march
23rd
meeting
excuse
me:
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve.
B
Thank
you
randy,
and
can
I
get
a
second.
B
I
think
that
was
maggie
and
any
comments
or
questions
on
our
meeting
minutes
of
the
video
from
march
23rd,
all
right
without
comments
or
questions
we'll
do
a
roll
call
again.
Randy.
B
And
I'm,
and
I
as
well
motion
approves
all
right
moving
on.
We
have
no
public
comment,
so
we're
going
to
move
on
to
new
business.
Our
first
order
of
new
business
is
the
consideration
of
colin
kinton
application
for
the
member
to
become
a
member
of
the
transit
committee
who's
taking
this
jessica.
Do
you
have
any
info
on
this.
J
B
B
I
will
make
a
motion
thanks,
john
and
a
second
yeah.
This
is
randy
I'll
second
yeah
alrighty.
I
got
candy
perfect
and
then
any
comments
or
questions.
C
B
Excellent,
let's
do
a
quick
roll
call,
wrote
randy.
B
Hi
and
I'm
and
I
as
well
motion
carries
welcome
colin.
The
second
item
is
the
I-26
commitment
letter
for
the
betterment
and
its
aesthetics
jessica.
K
So
on
this
on
this
item,
you
have
the
actual
staff
report,
but
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
introduce
it
so
that
we
can
give
time
to
the
aesthetics
committee
members
to
make
a
presentation
to
you
and
then
we'll
be
available
for
questions
and
hopefully
answers.
K
But
the
goal
of
this
is:
we
need
your
support
and
moving
this
forward
to
city
council
for
action,
because
the
d.o.t
needs
a
commitment
lever
on
the
first
project.
So
with
that,
I
want
to
introduce
ted
figuera.
He
is
the
chair
of
the
aesthetics
committee
and
also
on
the
meeting.
Is
ken
dirks
and
he's
a
member?
So
we,
I
think
we've
got
the
right
people
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
so
ted
go
ahead
whenever
you're
ready.
L
I
L
You
thank
you,
welcome
and
thanks
everybody
for
allowing
us
to
to
make
this
presentation.
I
am
going
to
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
at
this
point
and.
G
L
I
And
can
everybody.
L
Yes,
yes,
okay,
great
okay,
again,
thanks
for
inviting
us
to
to
make
this
presentation
a
little
bit
of
background
of
the
I-26
connector
project
is
a
1.3
billion
dollar
project.
It's
the
largest
public
works
project
in
in
western
north
carolina
that
will
be
seen
in
our
lifetimes
so
and
it
runs
through
the
heart
of
asheville.
L
It's
it's
incredibly
important.
It
will
change
in
many
ways.
It
will
change
the
the
character
of
the
city
and
the
object
of
the
aesthetic
committee
is
to
try
to
make
this
as
the
best
change
possible.
L
For
funding
and
contracting
purposes,
the
project
is
divided
into
four
sections
section.
L
Let
me
get
back
to
this
slide.
Okay,
so
section
a
runs
from
the
i40
i26
interchange
to
just
south
of
haywood
road
and
section
sections
b
and
d
run
from
haywood
road
south
to
the
woodfin
town
line
and
includes
improvements
to
riverside
drive
and
section
c
is
the
I-40
I-26,
interchange
and
parts
of
I-40.
L
So
that
is
the
scope
of
the
project
section.
A
is
a
traditional
design
bid
build
contract
with
nc
dot,
doing
the
design.
A
construction
contract
is
scheduled
to
be
signed
in
february
2024
and
con
actual
construction
should
begin
shortly.
Thereafter,
sections
b
and
d
are
a
design,
build
contract
with
the
contractor
doing
final
design,
and
this
contract
is
scheduled
to
be
signed
in
october
of
2023.
L
The
contractor
will
then
begin
design.
Work
on
the
project.
Section
c
is
not
scheduled
to
begin
until
june
of
2029.
L
Okay,
the
this
presentation
focuses
on
section
a
and
besides
the
interstate
corridor
itself,
section
a
has
four
components:
the
state
street
underpass,
the
amboy
road,
underpass
and
roundabouts,
the
brevard
road
bridge
and
the
bear
creek
road
bridge.
L
L
The
city
will
spend
about
309
000
of
this
appropriation
on
betterments
that
are
located
in
section
a
and
the
rest
of
the
commitment
will
go
to
sections
primarily
to
sections
b
and
d.
L
L
Aecom
ncdot
has
incorporated
many
of
the
aesthetic
committee's
suggestions
into
the
project
design
at
no
cost
to
the
city
items
that
it
considers
to
be
beyond
the
standard
treatment,
however,
will
have
to
be
paid
for
by
the
city
or
by
other
funds
that
the
city
may
may
capture,
such
as
from
the
county
and
from
the
tourism
development
authority.
L
In
order
to
incorporate
the
recommended
aesthetic,
aesthetic
treatments
for
section
a
into
the
final
design,
nc
dot
needs
the
city
to
commit
to
fund
these
projects,
and
this
commitment
needs
to
be
made
by
june.
The
first.
L
This
is
the
design
for
the
the
recommended
design
for
the
state
street
underpass
nc
dot
has
incorporated
the
committee's
suggested
design
for
the
state
street
underpass,
but
will
not
pay
for
the
recommended
pedestrian
lighting
under
the
under
the
bridge,
and
this
pedestrian
lighting
is
needed
for
bicyclists
and
pedestrian
safety
going
going
under
the
bridge,
particularly
at
night.
L
Nc
dot
also
incorporated
the
committee's
design
for
the
amboy
road
underpass.
The
committee
is
recommending
that
the
two
roundabouts
be
on
on
either
side
be
heavily
landscaped.
This
is
to
be
paid
for
with
project
funds
and
that
the
truck
apron
be
stamped
and
colored
concrete,
and
that
is
the
city
cost.
L
The
committee
also
recommends
that
wherever
possible,
medians
islands
and
splitters
be
landscaped
rather
than
concrete,
and
this
also
would
be
paid
for
with
project
funds
when
landscaping
is
not
possible.
The
committee
recommends
a
stamped
and
colored
concrete
treatment,
and
that
would
be
a
city
cost
for
the
brevard
road
bridge.
The
committee
recommends
decorative
lighting
to
enhance
the
bridge
and
improve
pedestrian
and
bicyclist
safety.
L
L
No
enhancements
are
recommended
for
the
bear
creek
road
bridge,
but
it
would
still
be
an
attractive
bridge
similar
to
what
you
see
with
the
brevard
road
bridge.
But
without
these
street
lights.
L
L
L
We've
conceived
three
levels
or
buckets
of
funding.
The
first
nc
dot
pays
all
of
the
costs.
The
second
are
cost
to
be
paid
by
the
city
for
aesthetic
treatments
that
the
committee
feels
are
critical
to
blending
the
I-26
connector
project
with
the
character
of
the
city,
thus
enhancing
the
experience
for
citizens
and
tourists
alike.
L
The
third
bucket
are
additional
items
for
which
the
committee
also
recommends
the
city
commit
to
fund
these
are
these
are
all
of
the
cost
estimates
that
that
you
see
here
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
move
that
there.
Okay,
the
cost
estimates
that
you
see
here
are
current
cost
estimates,
but
actual
costs
may
rise
with
inflation
before
the
contract
is
bid,
the
actual
cost
for
section
a
will
be
based
on
what
the
what
the
bid
actually
comes
in
at,
but
these
are
best
estimates
provided
by
ncdot
and
their
consultant.
L
L
The
first
bucket
contains
a
number
of
aesthetic
treatments
that
have
been
incorporated
by
ncd
by
ncdot
into
the
project
costs,
and
you
can
you
can
see
here.
We
we've
got
a
number
of
items
added
to
the
project
that
will
significantly
improve
the
aesthetic
look
of
the
of
the
I-26
connector.
L
The
third
bucket
adds
about
222
000
for
the
enhanced
roundabout
truck
aprons.
L
L
The
city
would
commit
to
pay
the
337
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
for
aesthetic
treatments
by
february
of
2030,
with
no
interest
on
that
amount
accruing
until
february
of
2027.
L
The
city
would
begin
paying
duke
energy
after
construction
is
completed
in
five
years
or
possibly
longer.
The
city
would
begin
maintaining
landscape
three
years
after
installation,
because
the
landscape
contractor
is
responsible
until
then,
and
that
occurs
after
construction
is
complete.
L
So
we
are
asking
the
multimodal
commission
to
make
a
positive
recommendation
to
commit
to
completely
fund
the
recommended
aesthetic
treatments
for
section
a
that's,
the
three
hundred
thirty
seven
thousand
two
hundred
and
four
dollars.
Nc
dot
needs
to
receive
this
commitment
again
by
june.
The
first
so
timely
action
is,
is
needed.
L
B
Let's
get
some
questions
from
the
group.
B
Oh
we're
waiting
for
questions
yes
vote.
Randy.
C
Well,
I
get
a
question
about
the
tda
money
because
I
didn't
know
that
the
tda
money
well,
the
greenway
improvements
qualify
for
gpa
money,
and
so
it
doesn't
sound
like
that.
Doesn't
even
need
it
now
it
doesn't
have
to
even
maybe
but
that's
money.
We're
saying
the
city
can
apply
to
that
money
in
the
future.
Be
able
to
be
part
of
that
requirement
of
the
3000
dollars.
L
Exactly
the
city
will,
once
it
commits
to
fund
we'll
have
essentially
six
years
to
line
up
the
actual
funding
and
many
of
the
the
the
aesthetic
treatment
improvements
that
the
that
are
being
recommended
directly
enhance
the
tourist
experience
of
asheville,
also
in,
in
fact,
the
we
believe
that,
without
these
aesthetic
treatments,
the
tourist
experience
will
be
substantially
degraded
because
of
this
project.
It's
it's
a
very
large
project.
It
needs
to
be
ameliorated
with
with
with
proper
aesthetics
and
the
most
of
our.
L
You
know
that
we're
asking
for
a
relatively
small
amount
for
section
a
most
of
the
most
of
the
the
big
ask
funding
is
going
to
be
a
section
in
in
section
b,
predominantly
the
improvements
to
the
bowen
bridge
and
also
to
the
haywood
road
bridge
that
and
also
along
patton
avenue,
downtown
that
we're
asking
these
are
all
high
highway
traffic
tourist
areas.
L
Also,
you
know,
amboy
road
is
a
gateway
to
carrier
park
and
the
river
arts
district,
so
the
tda
has
some
interest
in
should
have
some
interest
in
making
that
way
gateway
as
pleasing
as
possible.
So
we
we
are
hopeful
that
the
city
will
be
able
to
be
successful
in
commandeering
some
of
that
tda
money
to
just
to
help
the
city
fund
these
these
commitments.
L
But
meanwhile,
for
for
section
a
as
I
as
I,
as
I
said,
there's
this
you
know,
a
substantial
amount
of
the
cost
would
hopefully
be
able
to
be
paid
for
with
money
that
the
city
has
already
appropriated
for
the
project,
but
is
not
going
to
be,
hopefully
is
not
going
to
be
used
unless
inflation
eats
it
up
for
what
are
being
called
the
city
betterments,
the
the
sort
of
you
know,
the
the
widening
of
the
of
the
infrastructure,
mups
and
sidewalks
etc.
E
H
Read
or
at
least
skim
read
all
the
reports
that
have
been
showing
up
over
the
last
several
years.
You
know
in
our
in
our
packets
and
it
sounds
like
you
guys
have
done.
M
L
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
one
thing
that
that
I
I
will
say
is
that
nc
dot
has
been
incredibly
cooperative
in
this
endeavor
in
in
in
trying
to
make
this
project
as
conform
as
much
as
possible
to
the
the
character
of
the
city.
They.
They
have
listened
to.
Our
suggestions.
L
They've
listened
to
our
suggestions
with
respect
to
much
of
the
redesign
of
the
project
that
that
we
that
we've
suggested,
for
instance,
you
know
making
the
the
haywood
road
interchange
tighter
than
originally
proposed
that
they
were
working
on
that
they
made
some
significant
improvements
with
the
with
the
patton
avenue
interchanges
downtown,
which
have
very
positive
ramifications
for
the
project's
impact
on
riverside
drive,
I'm
sorry
riverside
cemetery
and
so
yeah.
I
I
also
want
to
compliment
nc
dot
and
their
consultant
a
com
on
the
the
good
work
that
they
have
done.
B
Yeah,
it
really
seems
like
it's
all
coming
together.
Ken
should
I
just
understand
at
the
end
of
your
document,
you
provided
us
a
suggested
motion:
does
that
meet
the
what
you're,
what
you're
going
to
need
to
move
forward
today.
K
Yes,
it
does.
Yes,
that's
correct
doing
this.
B
Okay,
thank
you
other
questions
or
comments.
D
Yeah
this
is
kenny.
I
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
joe
said
about
the
aesthetics
committee
in
general.
You
folks
have
done
a
really
important
job
and,
and
it
comes
down
to
not
just
just
aesthetics-
I
mean
pedestrian
lighting
under
a
bridge-
is
not
aesthetics
to
me.
That's
safety
and
a
whole
a
bunch
of
other
things.
So
thank
you
for
all
the
work
you've
done.
I
appreciate
also
having
annual
maintenance
costs
in
there,
because
that's
important
too,
you
know
you
can't
just
throw
money
at
it
and
then
neglect
it
forever.
D
So
I
appreciate
that,
for
if
we're
making
a
motion
as
a
recommendation
to
city
council,
do
we
need
to
somehow
have
a
caveat
for
inflationary
costs
if
this
project
ends
up
getting
delayed
or
if
the
bids
come
back
a
lot
higher
than
anticipated
and
we're
only
allocating
a
set
dollar
amount.
Should
it
not
be
a
dollar
amount?
Should
it
be
a
percentage
of
the
the
total
somehow.
B
Yeah
kenny,
I
I
think
that's
a
good
point
in
ken's
document
he
kind
of
gave
us
it
doesn't
really
tie
us
to.
I
guess
it
ties
us
to
this
motion,
but
in
general
it's
just
it's
expressing
support
for
the
the
action
and
you're
right.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
tough,
but
I
think
it's
because
we're
projecting
so
far
down
the
road.
B
K
Yes,
I
think
I
can
clarify
that
and
kenneth.
That
was
a
very
good
question.
What
we're
needing
today,
of
course,
is
just
the
commitment.
The
d.o.t
just
needs
a
commitment
from
the
city,
so
they
can
go
ahead
with
the
necessary
planning.
D
D
Yeah
I
I
move
that
we
recommend
city
council,
adopt
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
sign
a
funding
letter
of
commitment
to
ncdot
regarding
the
city,
betterments
and
aesthetics
treatments
for
project.
I
2513
ac.
B
G
B
And
I'm
an
eye
as
well
motion
carries
thank
you
very
much
ted
that
was
outstanding.
We
look
forward
to
it.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
this
move.
You
know
over
the
years,
so
it's
great
to
see
it
coming
into
fruition
and
hopefully
we'll
be
riding
our
bikes
through
those
tunnels
soon.
K
Okay
and
and
this
project
there's
a
there's-
a
project
listed
in
the
step
program
to
make
pedestrian
improvements
at
the
i240
charlotte
street
interchange-
we're
talking
about
both
sides
of
it,
so
both
intersections
and
the
scope
of
work
is
to
include
pedestrian
signals,
crosswalks
and
then
a
right
turn
lane
along
the
eastbound
off
ramp,
because
right
now,
traffic
will
tend
to
back
up
onto
i240
in
that
direction
in
the
afternoons.
K
The
project
is
totally
funded
right
now
at
1.4
million
dollars,
but
they
need
additional
funds
in
the
amount
of
400
dollars
to
be
able
to
deliver
this.
This
project
has
scoped
and
they
want
to
use
a
special
funding.
Pot
called
high
impact,
low
cost
and
that's
all
state
funds,
but
they
want
to
use
that
for
the
additional
funds
and
in
their
own
rules,
any
project
that
uses
that
pot
of
money
and
the
actual
project
exceeds
a
total
cost
of
250
000.
K
They
need
a
resolution
of
support
from
the
local
government
in
this
case,
that
would
be
the
city
of
asheville,
and
so
that's.
There
is
no
cost
to
the
city
for
this
project
at
all,
and
that's
what
we're
recommending
is
that
you,
as
a
group,
endorsed
this
idea
and
send
it
to
council
for
their
consideration
to
support
this
project
by
passing
a
resolution,
and
with
that
I'll,
be
glad
to
answer
any.
K
E
H
N
H
H
K
Yeah
all
the
way
up
all
the
way
up
to
the
signal
where
charlotte
street
comes
in
and
if
you
ever
use
that
direction
of
travel.
What
happens
today
is
cars
will
get
onto
the
paved
shoulder
part
to
come
on
up
to
the
intersection
and
so
they're
kind
of
squeezing
they're
kind
of
making
it
a
default
turn
lane
anyhow
and
the
dlt
just
wants
to
make
sure
they
have
enough
storage
capacity
to
keep
the
cars
in
the
right
position
that
they
need
to
be.
K
B
Any
other
comments
without
further
a
comment.
Could
I
get
a
motion
to
approve.
B
I
E
E
B
Motion
carries
all
right,
ken's
next
item
get
over
there.
Sorry,
this
is
for
the
resolution
to
support
the
nc
dot
project
to
construct
sidewalk
on
riceville
road.
K
Right
and
I'm
really
excited
about
this
project
because
again,
this
pedestrian
improvements
that
are
much
needed,
but
there's
a
there's
an
existing
project
in
the
current
state
transportation
improvement
program-
that's
identified
as
u-5837
and
unfortunately-
and
it
was
to
address
bicycle
and
pedestrian
needs
along
this
corridor,
but
and
it
had
an
estimated
cost
of
1.9
million.
But
unfortunately
it
has
found
itself
being
delayed
beyond
the
construction
of
fiscal
year
2029..
K
So
it
really
means
the
project's
dead.
So
to
speak,
so
the
dlt,
the
local
division
office.
They
have
applied
for
a
grant
in
the
total
amount
of
825
000
to
go
ahead
and
try
to
make
some
improvements,
which
would
include
sidewalks,
ada,
compliant,
curb
ramps,
pedestrian
signals
and
crosswalks
right
there
at
the
intersection
of
tunnel
road
and.
K
Rossville
road
and
the
sidewalk
one
of
the
sidewalk
pieces
on
the
it
would
be
on
the
south
side
of
rossville
road
going
up
it'd
be
on
the
va
hospital
side.
K
It
will
go
all
the
way
from
the
intersection
where
the
existing
bus
stop
is
and
go
up
to
the
furthest
parking
lot
access
point
for
the
va
hospital,
so
there'll
be
folks
that
will
be
able
to
come
back
and
forth
on
the
sidewalk
to
get
down
to
the
bus,
stop
and-
and
in
this
case,
since
it's
a
grant
that
they
have
applied
for
they
need
a
letter
of
support
from
the
city
that
we
agree
with
this
project.
K
B
All
right
any
comments
or
questions.
B
All
right
this
seems
like
yeah
everyone's
thumbs
up
here.
Can
I
get
an
emotion,
I
believe,
there's
a
suggested
motion
in
the
document
as
well.
That's
helpful.
B
Thank
you
kenny.
Can
I
get.
D
Yeah
sure,
a
move
that
we
recommend
to
city
council
to
adopt
a
resolution
supporting
ncdot
in
funding,
designing
and
construction
constructing
pedestrian
improvements
along
a
section
of
sr2002.
B
Thank
you,
john,
and
any
other
comments.
Questions.
Okay,
do
a
quick
roll
call
get
over
to
that.
Please.
B
Hi
and
I'm
and
I
as
well
the
motion
carries
the
next
item.
Is
a
consideration
proposed
right-of-way
closure,
for
am
I
missing
something
here
hold
on
a
nod.
That's
right:
okay,
consideration
for
the
proposed
right-of-way
closure.
B
I
beg
your
pardon
yes,
okay,
the
next
one
is
ncdot
agreement
for
metal
road,
and
then
he
had
a
third
one
in
here.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
this
this
one
is
pretty
quick.
This
one
is
dealing
with
one
of
those
maintenance
agreements
that
I
was
sharing
with
you,
where
the
dlt
and
the
city
put
an
agreement
together.
Last
year
the
dlt
saw
a
need
was
identified
to
them
that
a
portion
of
middle
road,
some
of
the
pavement,
was
rattling
off
between
the
bridge
that
goes
over
the
railroad
tracks
near
victoria
road,
all
the
way
up
to
amboy
road.
B
Great
thank
you
comments,
questions.
K
That's
a
good
question
randy
and
the
one
answer
I
can
give
you
is
that
there
is
precedent
in
the
fact
that
we
do
that
function
on
riverside
drive
from
hills,
hill
street,
all
the
way
back
up
to
broadway.
C
So
thanks
ken,
I
appreciate
that
and-
and
so
I
know
that
we're
supposed
to
do
that
for
riverside
drive
and
there's
actually
huge
issues
with
that
sweeping
because
you
know
the
salva
station
dumps
rocks
on
it
constantly
and
then
there's
the
the
place
that
has
all
the
landfill
stuff
that
also
dumps
stuff
on
it
constantly
and
so,
and
the
city
just
has
a
tough
time
maintaining
that
as
well.
So
I
understand
that
there's
precedence
in
doing
that,
but
right
now
it's
not
working
out
very
well
that
president.
C
So
I
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
confidence
that
will
keep
metal
clean
and
there
was
for
a
while
and
one
of
the
turns
on
the
metal
there
between
those
improved,
a
ton
of
stuff
that
falling
off
a
truck
or
something
like
that,
and
it
stayed
there
for
weeks
and
weeks
and
I
used
the
actual
app
to
request
it
to
be
clean
and
it
just
wasn't
seen
for
a
long
period
of
time.
C
And
so
I
just
I
guess,
I'm
not
confident
that
the
city
has
the
capacity
to
be
able
to
sweep
that
on
a
regular
basis.
K
Very
good
point
as
well,
and
I
won't.
I
won't
pretend
that
we
have
the
capacity
I
in
this
particular
case.
Public
works
is
willing
to
to
try
to
do
it
with
her
normal
schedule
with
the
other
streets
that
they
sweep.
However,
it
may
not
be
as
often
as
we
want
also
if
indeed
the
dlt
were
to
do
it,
their
normal
street
well,
first
of
all
and
they're
in
in
their
world,
they
don't
sweep
streets
that
don't
have
curb
and
gutter,
and
so
that.
K
Section
does
not
have
that
so,
and
one
thing
to
consider
is,
if
indeed,
at
least
the
way
it
is
right
now,
if,
indeed
that
we
can't
endorse
this
and
it
doesn't
and
counsel.
Ultimately,
this
approves.
It
does
not
go
forward
with
it.
Then
chances
are
the
final
markings
that
go
down
on.
That
section
will
just
be
for
a
paid
shoulder
and
not
recognized
as
a
bike
lane,
but
people
could
still
ride
it
if
they
wanted
to.
C
Yeah,
so
I
guess
I
have
a
concern
too
about
then
setting
precedent
again
because,
like
I
said
with
riverside,
it's
not
really
working
out
very
well,
and
so
it
seems
to
me,
like
it'd,
be
better
to
have
a
shared
agreement
and
which
I
I
understand,
you're
saying
that
there's
no
way
ncdt
is
going
to
do
it
anyway,
because
this
is
not
within
the
palpations
of
what
they
have
to
sweep
the
road.
H
H
H
I
definitely
hear
what
you're
saying
randy
and
I
totally
agree
with
you
know
needing
to
make
sure
that
those
are
clean.
I
certainly
would
like
to
see
that
not
that
it
makes
a
whole
lot
of
difference
to
car
drivers,
whether
it's
labeled
as
a
bike
lane
or
not.
I
think
maybe
it
does.
Hopefully
it
does,
hopefully
the
majority
it
does.
H
B
H
Labeled
as
a
bike
lane,
so
it's
good
that
the
d.o.t
is
willing
to
do
that
and
and
had
some
forethought
there.
I
guess
you
know
to
take
to
find
the
silver
lining
in
this.
At
least
they
did
have
the
forethought
for
that
part
of
it.
Obviously,
the
maintenance
is
is
a
bit
of
a
tricky
issue.
B
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you
joe.
I
I've
used
that
section
already
a
couple
of
times
and
I
it
it's
so
much
better
than
it
was.
I
mean
I
agree
with
randy
that
there's
still
you
know
it's,
it's
not
it's
not
ideal
yet,
but
I
think
it
is
much
safer.
I
feel
much
safer
riding
a
bike
on
that
section
now
than
I
ever
have,
and
it
does
seem
like
maybe
we're
incrementally
moving
towards
this.
You
know
it's
like.
B
We
can't
get
everything
that
we're
asking
for,
but
I
you
know
it
is
it's
difficult
if
you
have
a
narrow
tire,
it's
difficult
when
you
have
large,
gravel
and
all
kinds
of
other
things
like
randy
was
talking
about
the
falloff
truck
that
becomes
difficult
to
maneuver.
So
maybe
we
can.
You
know
in
addition
to
this
also
focus
on
trying
to
work
with
maintenance
to
ensure
that
there
is
that
schedule,
it's
a
little
bit
more
frequent
to
keeping
it
clear
and
particularly
in
the
heavy
use
months.
At
least
you
know
something
like
that.
I
K
Interject
that
I
I
will
be
glad
to
put
into
the
staff
report
that
goes
to
council,
assuming
that
you
will
say,
endorse
it,
but
listing
their
concern
about
the
streets,
the
street
sweep
and
function,
because
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
there's
at
least
one
or
two
council
members
that
are
concerned
about
that
very
same
thing.
K
And
so,
when
I
take
it
to
council
I'll
be
glad
to
you
know
include
that.
B
Thank
you
yeah,
and
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
great
step
up.
You
know.
I
know
that
I
think
in
general
to
randy's
point
there's
been
a
couple
of
meetings
about
other
sections
of
road
where
this
exact
issue
is
coming
up
now,
and
it
might
be
something
that
we're
you
know
doing
more
of.
Maybe
I'm
not
sure.
B
K
Yes,
I'm
willing,
I'm
definitely
willing
to
have
have
those
discussions,
and
what
I
wanted
to
add
as
well
is
the
primary
reason
that
public
works
was
agreeable
to
this
particular
section
is
because,
first
of
all,
they
have
essentially
the
same
policy
that
they
typically
do
not
sweep
or
vacuum
shoulder
section
roads
and
most
of
the
street
sweeping
that
the
city
does
is
really
related
to
storm
water.
K
So
the
storm
budget
takes
care
of
that
and
that's
you
know,
on
the
roads
that
have
curb
and
gutter
and
drainage
systems,
but
the
main
reason
public
works
was
okay.
With
this
one
is
they're
already
sweeping
or
having
their
schedule
sweep
lyman
street.
That
has
the
separated
bypass
and
that
way,
when
they're
doing
that
they
can
come
on
down
here.
That's
why
they
were
doing
that.
K
E
D
Yeah,
I
I
I'll
support
the
motion,
but
I
I
do
wonder,
can,
in
your
experience,
having
a
resolution
like
this,
does
it
does
it
lead
to
more
or
less
of
the
hey?
That's
a
d.o.t
road,
we're
not
going
to
touch
it
and
d.o.t.
Saying
hey,
we've
got
a
resolution.
K
Well,
I
think
I
think
that
the
relationship
that
we
have
now
with
the
dot
with
the
the
leadership
that's
at
the
local
division
office.
I
think
we
have
vastly
improved
our
relationship
compared
to
what
what
it
was
prior
to
2018
and
we
continue
to
improve
that
relationship.
K
In
fact,
on
a
pretty
much
a
regular
basis,
we
meet
monthly
to
discuss
various
issues
related
around
primarily
pedestrians
and
bicycles.
So
I
think
we
have
a
solid
relationship
and
all
so,
I
think
we're
gaining
we're
regaining
ground
and
we're
making
improvements
and
what
we're
seeing
too
is
you
know
the
dot
has
been.
K
Noticed
in
the
previous
discussion
about
the
aesthetics
committee
and
the
dot
has
been
great
to
work
with
there
and
that
that
not
only
includes
the
local
office
but
the
division
office.
So
I
I
apologize
for
rambling
a
little
bit,
but
I
I
think
that
the
short
answer
to
your
question
is
yes,
I
think
that
we
we're
not
going
to
throw
each
other
under
the
bus
and
point
fingers.
B
Johnny
there,
hello,
maggie.
E
B
Aye
all
right
and
I
as
well
the
most
curious
ken
thank
you
so
much.
I
think
we
got
through
your
items.
K
Yes,
yes,
you
did
and
I'll
I'm
I'm
gonna
hang
around
through
the
item
unfinished
business
about
merriman
avenue
so
I'll
be
around
for
a
while
I'll.
B
J
Thank
you.
So
this
should
be
a
pretty
straightforward.
Right-Of-Way
closure
request
that
we'll
be
hopefully
going
to
counsel
here
in
the
next
month
or
so.
This
is
the
applicant,
for
this
request
is
beverly
cosort.
J
She
is
the
property
owner
of
907
old,
fairview
road
and
she
is
working
with,
or
I
guess,
she's
the
primary
applicant,
but
her
neighbor
behind
her
and
I'll
show
you
guys.
A
map
is
wanting
to
subdivide
her
parcel.
There
is
a
unopened
right-of-way
between
miss
cozor's
parcel
and
her
neighbor.
J
J
So
here's
the
map,
907
old
fairview,
is
towards
the
top
of
the
of
the
image
and
the
neighbor
that
miss
cole
resort
has
been
working
with
live
at
24
wilmington,
and
what
they're
proposing
to
do
is
close.
This
half
of
this
unopened
right
of
way,
the
eastern
half.
I
J
This
is
a
photo
standing
within
the
proposed
right
of
way,
looking
towards
the
west
towards
the
24
wilmington
side,
and
so
essentially,
what
you
see
here
is
just
some
some
bare
land
with.
No,
not
you
know
a
little
bit
of
topography.
J
H
Jessica,
what's
I
it
appears-
and
I
was
actually
just
looking
on
the
buncombe
county
gis-
that
that
right
away
runs
all
the
way
from
wilmington
to
I'm.
Assuming
that's
well,
I
don't
see
a
road
name
listed
on
the
road
behind,
but
this
is
only
closing
the
one
half
of
the
right-of-way
is
that
or
the
unopened
alley
is
that
correct.
J
So
so
the
the
the
image
that
I
have
here
in
the
presentation
doesn't
show
that
it's
connecting
to
a
roadway,
but
in
the
buncombe
county
imagery.
It
shows
that
there's
that
this
driveway
that
goes
basically
north
south
from
old
fairview
road
that
it
that
there
is
a
right-of-way
there.
But
I
don't
know
that
that's
actually
actually
the
case,
and
here
let
me
pull
up
an
aerial
as
well.
J
Well,
let
me
pull
up
the
buncombe
county
site,
so
we
can
see
what
you're
talking
about
it
doesn't
connect
to
anything
other
than
another
single
family
home.
That
also
has
access
off
of
wilmington
as
well.
H
J
Right
so
that
would
remain,
as
is
the
applicant
didn't
didn't
well,
we
talked
about
whether
or
not
the
whole
thing
could
be
closed
and
we
we
kind
of
landed
on
this
proposal
because.
J
The
owner
at
24
wilmington
is
looking
to
subdivide
this
parcel
as
a
mechanism
to
to
get
some
some
needed
income
and
needed
revenue,
and
so
adding
the
the
right-of-way
closure
area
onto
their
parcel
would
be
a
burden
like
an,
albeit
a
slight
one.
So
we
felt
like
there
wasn't
any
real
benefit
to
closing
that
section,
but
we
certainly
could
look
at
that,
but
then
it
would
be
a
little
bit
more
complicated.
J
We'd
have
to
go
back
and
get
the
we
have
affidavits
from
all
those
parcel
owners,
but
we'd
have
to
have
the
land
within
that
area
split
and
allocated
to
either
side.
H
No,
no,
you
did
I
I
mean
I,
you
answered
the
question
about.
You
know
the
whole.
The
other
part
so
again,
page
left
in
that
yeah
right
now
is
going
to
remain
the
unopened
alley,
which,
frankly,
I
think
is
great.
E
B
Any
other
questions
yeah.
This
seems
pretty
straightforward.
You
know
so
it
looks
like
all
the
departments
are
supporting
it.
Is
there
a
motion
on
this
item.
D
Yeah
to
piggyback
on
joe's
comment
did
they
consider
closing
the
hole
right
away,
or
I
mean
I
know
that
they're
trying
to
subdivide,
but
is
there
a
reason
to
have
that
left
side
right
away?
Are
they
trying
to
is
907
gonna,
subdivide
after
24
wilmington
subdivides,
or
do
we
not?
We
don't
know
that.
J
I
don't
think
that
I
don't
think
that
that's
her
plan.
I
think
that
I
think
that
she
wants
to
well.
You
know
I,
I
honestly
I'm
not
sure
if
she's
going
to
then,
if
she's
going
to
subdivide,
907
or
not.
If
that
were
the
case,
I
I
still
think
that
the
access
that
comes
off
straight
off
of
old
fairview
would
be
the
primary
access
to
that
new
lot.
D
I
mean
it
seems
like
the
purpose
of
of
these
right-of-way
is
to
eventually
or
potentially
connect
two
streets
with
an
alley
or
a
street,
and
so
for
cutting
in
half
kind
of
negates
the
benefit
of
the
other
half.
If
it's
just
a
dead
end
alleyway
that
this
you
know,
I
I
can't
see
a
use
for
a
dead
end
alley
for
the
city,
so
it
seems
like
why
not
just
close
both
right
aways,
but
I
know
that's
not
the
application.
So
I
was
just
wondering.
E
O
L
G
I
get
is
it
shouldn't?
We
expect
to
see
what
the
plan
is
if
somebody
expects
to
use
property,
because
that's
what
these
questions
are
about
right,
we're
trying
to
understand
what
the
point
is
and
but
you're
asking
us
to
essentially
give
people
property,
but
we
know
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
use
it
for
and.
G
A
zoning
question
than
a
mtc
question,
but
it
just
to
me
and-
and
I
know
also
jessica-
you
guys
worked
on
what
is
the
right
procedure
for
right-of-ways
and
so
forth.
So
maybe
we're
following
the
new
procedure,
but
I
don't
like
voting
on
something
if
I
don't
know
what
it's
for
so
I'll,
just
stop
there
and
get
your
comments.
J
J
So
I
don't
have
the
plan
that
has
been
submitted.
But
what
I've
been
told
by
the
applicant
is
that
they're
all
they're
trying
to
do
is
help
this
neighbor
by
subdividing
her
lot
and
then
combining
that
area
of
her
lot
into
their
own,
and
it's
possible
that
she's
then
going
to
subdivide
it
again.
But
I
haven't
been
that
hasn't
been
told
to
me,
but
we
can
certainly
what
we
could
do
if
it
feel
if
you
guys
feel
more
comfortable
because
there's
not
necessarily
a
huge
time
crunch
associated
with
this
application.
J
I
can
go
back
to
her
and
ask
if
they
have
you
know
additional
information
that
can
be
provided
to
show
what
the
future
plan
is
to.
With
this
additional
square
footage
additional
acreage.
G
B
And
it
could
be
right
before
I
go
to
lyanna.
It
could
be
the
situation
where,
when
you
look
at
this
right
away,
there
is
an
existing
as
joe
pointed
out,
there's
an
existing
driveway.
That's
in
that
right
away,
and
that
might
be
why?
Because
that's
you
know
it
creates
conflict
that
it
might
not
be
useful.
Whatever
you
know
whatever
it
might
be,
so
there
might
be
some
other
issues
there
and
that
maybe
that's
why
they
left
it
off
the
you
know
the
the
request
leanna.
F
Yeah,
I'm
just
thinking
about
our
our
purpose
in
charge
and
as
it
relates
to
transportation
and
pedestrian
access
and
bicycles
and
greenways,
and
I
you
know
it
seems
to
me
that,
as
in
its
current
formation,
it
is
not
an
asset
and
to
make
this
change
would
make
no
change
to
our
committee's
interest,
and
I
think
that
you
know
we
all
strive
to
want
to
know
and
understand
more.
But
I
I
don't
know
that
that's
in
scope
for
us.
I
personally
feel
fine
about
it
regardless.
I
don't.
F
F
Yeah,
that's
that's
my
thought.
Doesn't
it
I
think
it's
a
fine
request.
I
think
the
avery
thing
that
we
looked
at
previously
made
a
lot
more
sense.
Just
given
access
and
intersections
with
high
use
roads-
and
I
don't
I
don't
think
that's
how
it
carries
the
same
weight.
D
D
You
know
and
just
multimodal
accessibility-
and
you
know
if
we
relinquish
this
right
away,
is
it
affecting
the
transportation
system
in
such
a
way
to
be
detrimental
to
bike,
bed
or
transit,
and
so
our
judgment
is
should
be,
I
think,
not
a
land,
use
decision
or
subdivision
question,
but
just
like
we're
taking
this
right
away
the
little
landscape
and
if
we
don't
think
it
will,
then
I
think
we
can
move
it
forward.
But
if
we
do
or
if
we
have
reservations
about
it
in
that
context,
then
we
can
vote
against
it.
H
Joe
just
real
quick,
I
mean,
as
far
as
if
they
wanted
to
try
to
reuse
it,
there
would
need
to
be.
Any
lot
has
to
have
road
frontage
on
an
actual
street
and
and
what
appears
to
be
something
even
on
the
gis
behind.
There
is
not
an
actual
city
street,
so
yeah
that
that
would
kind
of
negate
being
able
to
create
a
lot
back
there.
That,
essentially,
would
be
landlocked.
B
Request
for
closure
any
without
comment.
Can
I
get
the
emotion
on
this
item.
D
B
Thank
you,
maggie
we'll
do
a
roll
call
randy.
C
E
Okay,
kenny
hi
john
hi,
maggie
hi
bill.
N
Hey
lucy,
I
can
share
it:
alex
updated
the
map,
okay,
we
talked
to
you
and
he,
oh,
but
you
have
the
same
link
that
I
do
correct.
M
N
M
A
lot
of
you
were
on
our
field
trip
when
we
went
to
the
french
broad
river
west
greenway,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
us
mentioning
that
that
site,
where
the
duke
energy
property,
that
we're
building
the
french
broad
river
west
is
one
of
our
pilot
projects,
but
we're
gonna
circle
back
around
and
start
at
the
very
beginning.
M
With
my
slides,
and
that
is
that
before
we
started
the
the
gap
plan,
I
was
receiving
a
lot
of
input
from
the
communities
city-wide
that
people
were
wanting
to
see
more
and
more
greenways
and
more
and
more
trails.
M
And
so
asheville
unpaved
was
a
seat
of
an
idea
where
we
were
trying
to
get
some
some
type
of
facilities
in
the
ground
faster,
and
the
comments
that
I
was
hearing
from
across
the
city
were
that
they
wanted
more
trails
closer
to
where
they
lived.
They
wanted
these
trails
to
be
able
to
recreate
and
be
healthier
and
have
a
better
mental
wellness,
an
increased
sense
of
community.
M
But
we
had
lots
of
questions
on
exactly
how
to
implement
this.
So
we
we
started
looking
into
how
to
do
this
and
what
community
members
and
groups
would
be
interested
in
working
with
the
city
on.
I
M
So
we
started
meeting
with
groups
and
we
had
probably
a
couple
dozen
groups,
including
asheville,
on
bikes
but
smaller
running
groups,
hiking
groups,
biking
groups,
people
who
are
interested
in
adaptive
sports.
So
those
are
the
types
of
recreations
that
are
built
for
people
with
disabilities
and
and
other
non-profits
in
the
area
and
began
sitting
around
the
round
table
and
talking
about
what
this
could
be
and
how
we
can
make
this
happen.
M
And
one
of
the
things
we
knew
for
sure
was
that
we
wanted
these
trails
to
be
built
to
last,
and
that
would
help
us
with
erosion
control
on
our
properties,
as
well
as
better
access
than
just
the
willy-nilly
trails
that
we
see
on
some
of
the
larger
properties
that
the
city
owns
it.
But
it's
an
actively
managing
at
this
time.
So
we
had
long
conversations
about
design,
guidelines
and
typologies
of
these
kind
of
trails,
and
then
how
would
we
implement
them?
M
M
So
this
is
what
led
to
the
vision
of
what
asheville
and
pave
could
be,
and
it
would
be
an
alliance
of
partners
that
were
all
interested
in
seeing
this
vision
come
to
life
and
our
long-term
goal
goals
were
to
have
the
initiative,
be
a
community
driven
collaboration
of
partners
that
the
trails
would
serve
as
well.
Utilized
transportation
and
recreation
facilities
and
their
projects
were
equitable
and
met
the
greatest
need
of
people
throughout
the
city.
M
Next
and
we
were
making
great
strides,
the
top
right
corner
shows
just
probably
the
majority
of
the
groups,
but
we
were
still
having
groups
contact
us
after
this
slide
was
made
that
show
that
we
have
lots
of
non-profits
some
for-profit
businesses
like
a
lot
of
brewing
companies
in
town
and
groups
that
aren't
official
non-profits,
but
people
who
love
to
run
on
trails,
for
example,
that
wanted
to
be
part
of
this
organization,
and
we
were
laying
out
all
of
the
different
types
of
responsibilities
that
would
need
to
be
met
in
order
for
this
plan
to
become
a
reality,
and
we
broke
them
down
into
these
five
or
six
different
groups
and
started
working
on
them
and
have
had
great
turnout.
M
But
mostly
we
had
four
groups
that
really
stood
up.
It
wanted
to
take
place,
wanted
to
really
push
the
pilot
projects
and
asheville
on
bikes
and
mike
sewell
are
one
of
those
groups,
and
this
is
the
last
of
my
slides.
So
we
will
start
with
asheville
on
bike's
story
of
how
asheville
came
about.
N
Great,
thank
you
lucy,
so
yeah,
the
summarize
you
know
the
city
had
a
plan
or
a
concept
and
shared
that
plan
and
concept,
with
a
variety
of
stakeholders
and
out
of
all
of
those
stakeholders.
Pisgah
area,
sorba,
ashland,
bikes
and
connectfuncum,
showed
up
and
said
hey.
This
is
really
exciting
project
concept.
N
How
can
we
help
so
we
leveraged
our
resources,
the
nonprofit
partners
and
we
hired
peter
mills
and
coordinated
with
the
city
to
look
at
a
variety
of
different
city-owned
properties.
There
are
some
private
properties
to
see
what
would
be
feasible.
So
this
is
a
community
supported
initiative
led
by
asheville
on
bikes,
area,
sorba
and
connect
funko,
and
so
again,
what
does
the
asheville
unpaved
offer?
It
offers
several
things.
One
of
them
is
equitable
access.
N
You
know,
trails
will
be
developed
at
nationals,
natural
lands
and
parks,
campuses
and
urban
areas,
and
I'm
just
going
to
interject
aob's
sort
of
personal
story.
With
this
we've
been
running
an
after-school
bicycle
program
at
asheville
middle
school,
in
partnership
with
the
asheville
city
schools
foundation.
N
N
There
are
our
students
that
we
serve
have
very
little
access
to
the
natural
surface,
trails
to
mountain
biking,
getting
students
to
bent
creek
and
back
is
herculean,
even
getting
them
over
to
richmond
hill,
where
the
bike
park
that
sorba
built
takes
coordination
between
all
the
different
organizations
getting
on
a
bus,
getting
off
a
bus,
getting
the
bikes
on,
and
so
it's
this
equitable
access
is
really
about
the
opportunity
to
get
more
people
into
the
natural
world
on
trails
without
the
burden
of
of
of
having
to
leave
the
city.
N
So
what's
really
important
to
our
our
our
work
in
the
in
the
community
and
the
students
that
we
serve
the
other
value
proposition.
Of
course,
you
get
more
trails
for
fewer
fewer
dollars
and
the
sustainability
of
building
the
trails,
hiring
a
professional
trail
builder
and
to
build
the
trails
so
that
they
last
a
lifetime,
and
just
to
I
wanted
to
show
everyone
that
the
non-profits
are
not
just
saying
hey
city
of
asheville.
Do
this
do
this?
N
Do
this
so
far,
collectively
we've
invested
26
210
into
this
project,
so
we're
showing
up
with
some
of
the
resources
that
are
that
are
required
to
move
this
forward
and,
yes,
we
are
going
to
need
more
resources.
N
So
what
have
we
accomplished
so
far,
so
we
started,
coordinating
like
lucy
had
mentioned
back
in
2019
and
then
in
2020
through
2001,
we
contracted
with
peter
mills
of
elevated
trail
design,
to
consult
and
provide
initial
designs
for
the
asheville
phase,
one
trails
and
then,
through
the
winter
and
spring
of
22,
we're
right
now
establishing
a
formal
memorandum
of
agreement
between
the
non-profit
partners.
N
That
means
that
aob
fiska
area,
sorba
and
connect
bunkum
are
coming
up
with
a
formal,
binding
agreement
about
what
each
one
of
these
partners
will
do
to
move
this.
To
move
this
forward,
we're
sort
of
moving
from
working
in
good
faith,
handshake
agreement
into
okay,
we're
going
to
be
the
the
the
non-profit
to
kind
of
carry
this
phase.
One
ball,
certainly
other
nonprofits
and
other
organizations
are
welcome
to
participate.
N
But
we
see
ourselves
as
sort
of
the
managing
agents
of
this
of
this
of
this
project
and
throughout
the
spring
we
are
moving
into
neighborhood
associations
commissions,
other
interested
parties
to
present,
which
is
why
we're
talking
to
you
today
and
then
in
the
fall
of
2022
moving
into
the
future,
the
city
of
asheville
and
partners
will
host
a
bunch
of
formal,
more
public
engagement,
input
process
with
where
this
process
this
presentation
is,
is
about
information
and
keeping
everyone
up
to
date
and
letting
them
know
what
we
have
and
haven't
done.
N
What
we
did
is
we
worked
to
create
this
logo
for
asheville
on
pave.
This
is
the
branding
that
we
came
up
with
and
one
of
the
things
that
asheville
is
very
unique
and
very
special
to
asheville,
and
I
really
don't
feel
like
we
do
enough
to
to
leverage
what
this
asset
is.
We
call
internally
the
narnia
threshold,
and
that
means
that
you
think
about
like
the
harmony,
creek,
greenway
or
being
up
on
a
boat
catcher.
N
You
know,
a
beautiful
architecture
or
a
mural
wall
asphalt
and
and
concrete,
and
you
can
do
that
several
times
all
over
the
city
and
we
wanted
a
logo,
a
brand
that
demonstrated
had
both
the
natural
world
and
also
the
the
the
built
environment
all
in
one,
and
so
we
have
the
phase,
one
trails
that
we're
going
to
be
presenting
right
now
and
just
to
give
you
the
sort
of
the
geographics
of
where
we
are
proposing
these.
These
systems
go.
N
You've
got
the
east
end,
neighborhood,
that's
on
mountainside
park,
south
french,
broad,
that's
adjacent
to
the
asheville
middle
school,
where
our
youth
cycling
program
is
the
ywca
and
french
broad
west
and
the
river
arts
district
and
west
asheville.
And
then
we
also
have
two
alignments
in
east
asheville,
azalea
park
and
river
ridge
area,
and
so
this,
what
you're
looking
at
right
now
take
a
minute
to
take
it
in
because
it's
a
lot.
But
this
r,
this
map
is
the
connector
map
and
it
plots
out
the
initial
phase.
One
alignments.
N
I
think
it's
really
important
to
dial
into
mountainside
the
coat
branch
and
french
broad
river
west
as
we
build.
If
we
were
to
build
these
three
alignments,
we're
going
to
have
overnight
connectivity
where,
yes,
any
one
of
these
alignments
could
serve
as
a
sort
of
micro
pocket
part,
but
astronaut,
bikes
or
asheville.
N
Unpaved
is
fully
realized
when
the
user
gets
the
opportunity
to
connect
on
mountainside
park,
move
through
the
urban
district
through
the
south
slope
into
the
river
art
or
into
the
french
broad
neighborhood
access
the
coat
branch
and
then
drop
down
into
the
river
arts
district
and
access
the
french
broad
river
west.
This
connection
right
here
could
be
done
literally
overnight
through
a
series
of
slow
streets
and
existing
active
transportation
facilities.
N
With
that
said,
there
are
more
greenways
in
the
works
like
the
nasty
branch
greenway
2
that
serve
to
improve
the
connectivity
between
these
three
parks
over
here
in
east
asheville,
you've
got
the
river
ridge
alignment
and
the
azalea
park
alignment,
and
what
we
agreed
upon
as
a
group
is
that
we
needed
to
show
a
bullion
cube
sort
of
the
concept
overnight
immediately
as
soon
as
we
could.
N
With
the
french
broad,
the
pakote
branch
and
the
mountainside
parts,
we
want
people
to
see
that
connectivity,
that
mix
of
the
natural
world
and
the
urban
environment,
but
we
also
know
that
it's
really
important
the
soa
to
throw
a
softball
out
into
the
future
and
invests
in
east
asheville,
because
we
have
a
huge
opportunity
and
a
problem
with
the
swannanoa
greenway
moving
forward.
And
so
we
wanted
to
put
something
out
here.
N
That
would
eventually
connect
to
the
much
needed
swannanoa
greenway
that
we
that
we're
all
waiting
around
for
so
I'll
just
dive
in
really
quickly
to
each
particular
alignment.
This
is
the
cote
branch
so
to
orient
you
here
is
asheville
middle
school.
N
The
ywca
is
right
here,
and
this
is
the
the
the
football
field
and
the
track
for
the
for
the
school
red
denotes.
Bicycling,
specific
and
green
denotes
a
multi-use
path,
so
think
about
that
as
walking
running
bird
watching
bench,
sitting,
dog
walking
as
well
as
bicycle
use
as
well.
And
if
you
look
right
here,
you
can
see
a
a
purple
squiggle
and
that
denotes
a
potential
neighborhood
connectivity
where
we
could
build
in
from
this
road.
N
What
is
this,
is
this
lyman
street
yeah
right
right
there.
So
that's
the
the
coke
branch.
N
Four
four
thousand
three
hundred
feet
of
multi-use
trails:
one
thousand
seven,
seventeen
feet
of
bike,
only
construction
costs
ranging
between
60
and
75
000,
and
the
bridges
and
the
map
package
as
well,
and
then
you
have
french,
broad
river
west.
The
yellow
line
right
here.
This
is
the
existing
william
dyche
greenway,
with
the
protected
bicycle
lane
and
the
greenway
across
the
river
not
moving
around
too
much.
Excuse
me
apologize
across
the
river.
This
is
the
riverlink
bridge,
and
this
yellow
dotted
line
is
what
is
currently
under
construction.
N
The
french
broad
river
west,
the
shaded
green
area
is
all
city
property.
This
is
commonly
known
as
the
duke
energy
property,
and
so
we
have
an
alignment
that
would
come
off
of
the
currently
under
construction,
french,
broad
river,
west
and
connect
down
to
the
dog
park,
and
then
again,
the
red
line
denotes
bicycle
specific.
N
Six
thousand
four
hundred
feet
of
multi-use
trail,
four
thousand
nine
hundred
feet
of
bicycle
specific
and
the
cost
of
this
range
between
ninety
thousand
and
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars
trail
construction
mountainside
park.
So
to
get
everyone
oriented
here
you
have
mccormick
field
memorial
stadium
and
up
at
the
top,
this
er,
the
big
climb
is
alexander
and
this
is
windswept.
N
N
Neighborhood
connections,
19
000
feet
of
trail
with
a
mix
of
bike
systems
as
well.
Our
builder
did
not
break
that
out.
I
did
ask
him
to
to
break
that
out
for
us,
the
the
multi-use
versus
the
bicycling,
specific
and
cr
trail
construction
between
190
and
204
thousand
dollars,
and
there
would
be
about
10
bridges,
so
that
would
also
add
additional
cost
to
this
project
as
well.
This
the
mountainside
park
would
be
the
most
expensive
and
then
moving
into
east
asheville.
N
The
yellow
right
here
denotes
the
future
swannanoa
greenway.
You
have
the
nature
center
wnc
nature
center
and
there
would
be
alignment
that
would
come
off
of
the
greenway,
a
multi-use
path
that
would
connect
over
gaseous
creek
road
and
then
carry
on
to
highland
brewing
and
then
over.
Here
you
see
the
thomas
wolf,
cabin
and
you'd
have
a
another
section
off
of
azalea
road
that
would
be
a
an
out
and
back
loop,
a
multi-use
out
and
back
loop,
seven
thousand
seven
hundred
feet,
construction,
seven,
seventy
five
thousand
and
ninety
thousand
dollars.
N
Lastly,
to
get
everyone
oriented
here,
swannanoa
river
road,
as
you
guessed
it,
this
is
the
the
the
future
swannanoa
greenway.
This
is
the
traffic
circle
going
into
the
to
the
walmart
area.
I
believe
this
is
like
cheddar's
restaurant.
N
This
is
the
one
alignment
that
would
be
built
on
private
property
and
would
require
the
city
and
the
property
owners
to
get
an
easement
to
build
these
to
build
these
trails,
but
this
would
come
off
of
the
the
future
swannanoa
greenway
and
it
would
connect
into
river
ridge
road,
and
then
there
would
be
a
multi-use
loop
back
here,
6
hundred
feet,
the
cost,
ranging
between
sixty
eight
thousand
and
eighty
thousand
dollars,
and
then
the
timeline
I've
sort
of
gone
over
that
and
we're
moving
into
fall.
2022
and
looking
at
project
implementation.
N
I
will
say
right
now:
there
are
zero
dollars
other
than
what
the
nonprofits
have
invested
in
this
project
for
implementation.
N
Today,
we
are
aggressively
looking
for
funding
opportunities
through
grants
to
to
get
to
get
this
project
moving.
M
So
we're
considering
good
answers
for
those
kind
of
concerns,
and
after
we
are
done
with
those
initial
outreach
meetings,
then
we
will
have
a
public
engagement
session
with
the
whole
community.
Hopefully
some
in-person
meetings
for
a
change
that
will
be
awesome.
But
if
we
have
to,
we
can
also
be
remote,
but
we
will
probably
include
either
way
we
will
have
an
online
survey
so
that
we'll
hear
from
the
entire
community
of
asheville
how
they
feel
about
this
project.
B
B
Well,
I
can
start
you
know,
I
feel
like
every
time
I
I
learned
a
little
bit
more
about
this
project.
The
more
excited
I
get,
I
what
I
like
about
it.
You
know
lucy
brought
up
the
access
point
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
might
have
with
some
parking,
but
when
we
have
these
multiple
access
points,
you
really
you
know
you're
distributing
those
cars
through
a
lot
of
different
different
areas,
and
that's
really
nice,
because
I
think
we
do
need
to
be
considerate.
These
are
quiet
areas.
B
So
our
ability
to
you
know
disperse
those,
those
cars
and
those
uses,
I
think,
is
great,
and
then
I
I
love
the
idea,
particularly
the
idea
of
what
mike
talked
about
with
the
around
the
middle
school
and
giving
those
folks
the
folks
that
are
taking
their
classes
now
those
students
some
access
to
that
mountain.
You
know
getting
the
you
know
to
get
that
bog
to
bite
them
as
early
as
possible.
I
think
it's
really
exciting,
so
there's
just
so
much
to
love
about
this
project.
That's
amazing!
B
How
quickly
it's
coming
together,
at
least
for
me.
It's
you
know.
I
feel
like
I've,
seen
it
three
times
now
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
It
looks
it's
incredible
so
very
exciting,
joe.
H
Yeah
definitely
I
think
this
is
it's
certainly
great
and
I
love
the
idea
that
you
know
we
do
have.
We
are
kind
of
in
mountain
bike
mecca,
but
yet
there's
no
place
like
you
have
to
get
in
a
car.
You
know,
personally,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
started
riding
my
bike
from
town
out
to
ben
creek
to
go
riding
was
just.
I
got
tired
of
driving
there
and
being
part
of
the
part
of
the
parking
problem.
H
Obviously
you
know
I'm
sure,
lucy
and
mike
you
both
know
some
of
the
concerns
with
some
of
the
you
know,
neighborhoods
that
are
already
experiencing
development
pressure
and
I'm
just
kind
of
curious,
like
I
wonder
what
they're
going
to
think
of
of
this.
You
know
improving
the
neighborhood
so
to
speak
and
potential.
You
know
development,
increased
development
pressure
and
gentrification
from
that.
H
Is
that
I'm
assuming
that's
something
you
all
have
talked
with
them
about
as
opposed
to
just
having
it?
You
know,
trail
dynamics
or
someone
come
in
and
build
it.
I
can
certainly
understand
if
there's
like
city
concerns
as
far
as
liability
having
volunteers
working.
N
I'll
take
can
I
take
a
crack
at
issues
of
gentrification.
N
Great
so
yes
impacts
to
neighborhoods
and
that's
a
very
sensitive.
You
know
the
stakes
are
high
with
something
like
this,
and
I
think
that,
like
we
can
look
at
what
memorial
field
and
the
soccer
field
and
the
track
is
a
really
good
example
of
something
going
off
the
rails.
You
know
success
leaves
clues
and
so
does
failure.
N
So
I
think
moving
in
mindful
then
one
one
of
the
things
that
the
what
we're
committed
to
is
going
to
communities
with
these
alignments,
sharing
the
vision
and
then
listening,
and
it
is
entirely
possible
that
there's
a
a
that
we
will
be.
This
will
be
welcomed
in
and
will
be
championed,
and
then
there's
also
the
the
possibility
that
will
be
seen
as
a
threat.
N
N
There
is
a
lot
of
privilege
that
goes
on
with
that
access,
and
I
know
that
firsthand
from
trying
to
get
our
students
to
go
ride,
richmond
hill
from
asheville
middle
school.
What
it
takes
to
do
that
that
currently
we
can
provide
our
students
out
of
all
the
hours
that
we're
serving
them,
maybe
20
to
30
minutes
of
riding
the
trail
system,
riding
riding
in
the
natural
world
getting
to
french,
hominy,
creek
and
back
again
to
asheville
middle,
not
not
not
possible.
N
So
there
is
an
uncomfortable
conversation
to
have
about
gender
gendrification
and
the
impacts
to
neighborhoods,
but
there's
also
stakes
in
not
addressing
it,
which
is
we
just
continue
to
perpetuate
the
elitism
of
access
to
the
natural
world,
and
I'm
I'm
looking
forward
to
engaging
and
having
that
uncomfortable
conversation
and
learning
things
and
owning
the
assumptions
that
I'm
making
today.
H
Yeah,
no,
I
mean
I
I
bring
it
up
only
because
I
know
it's,
it
is
a
concern
and-
and
you
know,
you're
right
with
the
memorial
stadium-
I
mean
right
now,
planing
and
zoning
we're
looking
at
a
project
over
on
pat
avenue
that
has
gotten
a
lot
of
pushback
from
from
neighbors,
not
wanting
increased
development
in
a
place.
That
is
right
for
it,
and
so
you
know
these
are
the
kind
of
conversations
that
I
just
know.
H
N
The
only
way
to
do
it,
really
that
yeah
and
and
the
great
thing
is-
I
mean
just
for
this
particular
conversation.
The
great
thing
is,
the
project
has
no
money,
there's
no
funding.
So,
let's
we
can
really.
You
know
what
you
know
what
we
are
here
when
we
look
at
the
memorial
stadium,
but
I
heard
over
and
over
and
over
again
was
let's
we
want
our
community
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
from
the
ground
up.
H
I
think
part
you
know
part
of
the
quest
part
of
the
question
in
my
head,
and
I
didn't
ask
it
too
was
about
obviously
the
ongoing
upkeep
and
maintenance
and
whether
the
ability
to
have
even
that,
like
even
minor
assistance
from
volunteers,
even
volunteers
in
the
community,
to
help
you
know,
be
part
of
the
building
and
know
about
what
to
do
as
far
as
maintenance
and
things
and
that
way
they
the
communities
then
have
the
ownership
of
it
too,
which
obviously
gets.
M
O
C
C
Does
just
continue
to
go
on
an
ongoing
basis,
there's
no
like
it
doesn't
get
done
by
this
time.
Then
it's
off
the
table.
We
need
to
start
over
again,
but
it's
just
going
to
be
like
as
we'll
continue
to
raise
money
as
we
go
along
and
if
it
doesn't
raise
enough
by
a
fall
and
we
push
it
to
spring
or
you
know,
what's
what's
the
situation
there,
we
don't
want
to
lose
the
momentum
we're
building
now,
but
at
the
same
time
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
lose
it
you're,
not
getting
the
funding.
N
Right
right,
no,
that's
you
know,
that's
exactly
right
and
we're
looking
for
the
funding,
but
you
know
we're
also
a
pretty
nimble
alliance.
So
that
means
you
know
we
might
get.
Let's
say
it
cost
a
million
dollars,
but
don't
write
that
down
that's
kind
of
our
really
rough
numbers,
but
we
know
with
inflation
and
with
labor
what
what
you
know,
what
it
could
be,
and
so
I
think
it's
really
important
to
what
you're
kind
of
getting
at
strike
why
the
iron
is
hot.
N
You
know
move
this
forward,
so
ideally
we
build,
we
build
it.
We
get
the
funding
all
together
and
we
build
it
all
out
at
once,
because
if
we
don't
create
a
connectivity,
what
essentially
we're
doing
is
just
building
another
pocket
park
right
we're
building
another
hominy
creek
sort
of
facility
and
the
the
real
thrust
of
this
is
connecting
the
natural
world
to
the
built
environment
into
the
natural
world.
N
So
I
think
it's
really
important
to
get
a
connect
two
to
at
a
very
minimum,
two
alignments
that
connect
through
the
city
to
highlight
the
concept
of
what
it
is,
and
I
think
that
you
know
one
in
one
scenario,
we
trim
the
project
and
we
build
upon
one
success
after
another
after
another
to
to
build
it
out
over
time,
ideally
and
we're.
N
What
we're
positioning
ourselves
to
do
right
now
is
to
secure
the
funds
to
build
out
all
the
alignments
that
were
presented
to
you
today
in
phase
one,
but
I
think
we
do
have
to
recognize
that
we
might
have
to
pivot
from
that.
D
Yeah
you
know
asheville
has
a
lot
of
development
pressures,
so
I
think
that
might
be
a
good
framing
device
for
when
people
push
back
on,
it
is
to
say
hey.
You
know
this
is
land
that,
like
you
said,
is
primed
for
development,
but
instead
you're
going
to
be
conserving
your
trail
design.
I
think
that's
really
important
and
also
I
live
right
by
the
unca
woods
and
it's
it's
amazing
to
be
able
to
use
as
recreation.
D
I
take
my
dog
walking,
but
also
it's
a
cut
through
for
me,
so
it's
a
transportation
corridor
that
I
use
instead
of
walking
on
you
know,
broadway
or
merriman.
I
can
cut
through
a
really
nice
woods,
so
you
know
there's
there's
a
conservation
piece
there
too,
but
I
love.
M
D
You've
accommodated
very
specifically
the
mountains
and
the
hikers
as
different
facilities,
and
I
think
that's
really
really
key
to
this,
because
you
know
people
in
this
community
love
to
bike,
but
they
also
love
the
hike.
So
I'm
glad
that
you're
addressing
those
as
like,
separate
user
types
and
figuring
out
the
best
trail
alignments
for
each
of
those,
as
well
as
the
the
purple
neighborhood
connectors.
Those
are
awesome
too.
I
pointed.
I
N
And
you
don't
want
it
to
be
all
just
aggro,
bikers
or
all
just
aggro
runners
or
you
know,
sometimes
it's
very
important
to
take
the
dog
for
a
walk
and
sit
on
a
bench,
and
you
know
contemplate
the
bird
on
the
branch
and
that's
what
this
is.
Therefore,
too,.
M
Unca
has
taken
a
very
interested
role
in
it
and
they
realize
that
they
have
a
lot
of
trails
on
their
north
side
of
campus
too,
that
are
kind
of
rogue
trails,
but
they
would
like
to
see
something
come
of
it
as
maybe
a
second
phase.
The
second
round
of
projects.
D
Just
a
round
of
applause
I
mean
somebody
mentioned
ambitious,
and
this
is
truly
ambitious,
but
it's
it's
kind
of
a
game
changer
for
the
city
and
I'm
really
impressed
with
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
it
and
how
quickly
it's
just
kind
of
happened.
It's
like
somebody
had
a
vision
and
like
just
started,
rolling
down
the
hill
and
now
it's
a
reality
which
is
very
exciting.
So
thank
you
mike
and
lucy,
and
all
the
work
you've
done
so
far.
M
N
You're
part
of
our
early
engagement,
where
we're
informing
so
the
feedback
is
very
important.
If
you
have
other
follow-up
questions,
if
you
know
of
an
audience
a
group,
a
an
agency
whomever
who
would
be
interested
in
learning
more
about
this
would
be
you
know,
what
do
I
want
to
say:
criticisms,
critiques
cash
and
large
sums
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
get
in
front
of
them
and
give
them
a
presentation
bet.
This
is
this:
is
the
the
beginning
of
the
information
sharing
out
to
our
community?
N
So
if
there's
anyone
that
or
any
agency
that
we
could
get
in
front
of,
please
let
me
or
lucy
know-
and
I
also
as
an
advocate-
I
want
to
give
a
real
shout
out
to
lucy
and
jessica,
because
what
what's
happening
with
these
projects
and
there's
college
and
patent
is
what
you're
seeing
is
the
nonprofit
advocacy
organizations
and
the
city
de-siloing,
unlocking
our
horns
from
one
another
getting
in
a
boat
and
rowing
in
the
exact
same
direction?
N
So
I'm
excited
about
this
project,
but
I'm
also
excited
about
mostly
excited
about
the
institutional
partnerships
that
I
think
can
really
be
a
good
example
for
how
we
move
forward
and
build
the
city
that
we
all
have
to
build
because
the
demands
are
pretty
intense
around
here.
So
I
want
to
thank
well
the
opportunity
to
work
with
lucy
and
jessica
on
these
on
this
and
other
projects
as
well.
A
partnership
is
key
you're
here.
B
Thanks
guys,
thanks
mike
thanks,
lucy
all
right.
Our
next
item
is
we're
gonna
be
moving
to
unfinished
business.
Item
first
item
is
the
merriman
4-3
conversion
proposal,
hello,
jessica,.
J
Hello,
so
just
to
give
you
guys
an
update
and
share
some
information
with
you
guys
about
where
we're
headed.
J
We
we've
had
a
meeting
a
couple
weeks
back
with
dot,
and
I
think
overall,
the
momentum
is
in
a
very
positive
direction.
J
They
have
presented
to
the
city
some
draft
language,
for
an
agreement
that
would
be
associated
with
this
and
we
have
submitted
to
them.
Some
some
suggested
revisions
to
the
agreement.
Language
specifically
as
it
relates
to
what
they're
calling
the
removal
clause
and
the
maintenance
maintenance
clause.
If
you
will,
and
so
what's
attached
to
your
agenda,
is
the
what
was
proposed
in
its
original
form
by
the
dot.
J
What
I
have
showing
on
the
screen
right
now
is
a
track
changes
version
of
what
we
suggested
to
them
as
our
desired
changes,
and
we
are
expecting
to
hear
from
them
on
friday
their
response
to
our
suggested
changes
and
really
you
know,
the
removal
clause
is
not
necessarily
something
that
we
even
wanted
to
see.
But
I
think
we're
at
this
point
where,
where
I
don't
think,
I
don't
think
we
have
an
option
to
not
have
a
removal
clause.
J
But
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
some
reasonable
criteria
that
would
come
into
play
for
potential
consideration
of
reversing
the
project.
If
certain
things
were
to
happen
and
the
first
big
and
probably
the
biggest
most
important
change
that
what
that
we
have
suggested
is
they
they
wanted
to
have
kind
of
an
evaluation
period
of
12
months
and
we
are
asking
for
that
evaluation
period.
So
you
know
comparison
of
before
and
after
road
diet,
implementation,
we've
requested
36
months.
J
So
that's
the
big
thing
that
we've
asked
for
in
in
our
response
and
many
of
the
other
strikethroughs
are
really
just
changing
at
12
months
to
36
months
or
just
removing
all
of
the
references
to
12
months
and
then
the
other.
I
think,
big
change
that
we've
requested
is
within
the
second
bullet
point
related
to
fatalities
and
serious
injuries.
J
For
bicycles
and
pedestrians
to
be
a
total
of
three
instead
of
a
total
of
two,
and
that
would
be
again
within
the
first
36
months
and
then
the
rest
of
it
is
kind
of,
I
would
say,
less
critical,
but
just
clarifying
some.
Some
things
statistic,
statistically:
significant
increases
in
50
or
85
percent
speeds
clarifying
that
any
increased
issues
on
the
interstates
that
they'd
be
attributed
to
the
project
itself
and
not
some
other
cause.
J
And
this
final
one
in
the
bullet.
We
changed
from
spillback
to
be
looked
at
after
the
first
90
days,
rather
than
45
days
to
allow
travel
patterns
to
adjust.
J
And
then
again,
we
we
added
a
little
bit
of
language
that
suggests
that
we
would
like
to
have
discussions
about
removal.
If,
if
we
get
to
that
point
and
collaborative
discussions
with
the
city
and
the
dot
after
this
three
year
period,
if
it
turns
out
that
the
dot
is
is
wanting
to
reverse
the
project
before
I
go
on
to
the
maintenance
piece,
are
there
any
questions
or
concerns
here
that
you
guys
would
like
to
discuss.
C
You
know
and
again
that's
that's
a
tough
situation,
because
more
people
will
be
using
it
more,
for
example,
hopefully
by
biking
and
pedestrians,
and
so
it's
likely
that
you
know
there
might
be
more
instances
on
a
you
know
pure
number
basis
of
conflict,
but
in
terms
of
the
percentage
of
usage
now
and
then
you
know
so,
let's
say
one
person
gets
killed
now
on
it
and
hardly
anybody's
using
it.
C
That
might
be
adverse,
and
so
I
think
that
the
numbers
they're
throwing
out
are
it
certainly
shouldn't
trigger
a
removal
clause.
It
worst
case
scenario.
It
should
trigger
an
evaluation
of
it
where
we
can
look
more
deeply
into
all
the
issues
to
see
if
they're,
if,
if
the
installation
of
the
facility
is
the
cause
of
those
things
or
not,
so
I
think
we
should
strike
the
removal
part
completely
and
just
say
this
was
initiate.
C
After
again,
I
think
it
should
be
five
years,
but
whatever
it
is
or
ongoing
evaluations
throughout
that
time
period,
it
should
initiate
a
careful
review
by
the
city
and
then
cbot
with
hopefully
representation
by
mmcc
to
why
it
might
be
happening
and
to
see
if
it
is
because
of
the
facility
being
installed,
not
just
a
removal
clause.
So
I
think
that
they're
even
approaching
it
from
a
perspective,
that's
not
appropriate.
G
Sure
so
I
wanted
to
the
topic
is
the
congestion
metrics?
I
assume
that
last
bullet
is
the
congestion
metric.
I
don't
understand
what
that
is,
and
I'm
just
wondering
do
you
have
any
other
congestion
metrics.
That
would
be
more
understandable
to
the
layman.
G
I
know
and
the
reason
I
say
this
is
that
all
the
pushback
I
got
from
the
neighbors
had
to
do
with
what
is
this
going
to
do
about
our
con
potential
congestion,
and
I
know
in
the
presentation
there
would
there
was
data
about
travel
time
and,
for
example,
that
would
be
an
understandable
metric
if
travel
time
changes
from
20
minutes
to
30
minutes
or
something
like
that,
but
I
do
think
it's.
The
neighbors
are
going
to
want
to
see
congestion
metrics,
and
I
don't
see
anything
that
I
understand
on
this
list.
J
I
see
the
there
the
disconnect
between
the
data
that
was
presented
and
how
it
how
these
criteria
don't
necessarily
reflect
that
trying
to
put
this
into
layman's
terms.
What
theirs.
What
they're
saying
is
that
a
car
spill
back
through
multiple
intersections
means
that
the
cues
are
so
long
that
they
go
all
the
way
back
through
the
next
signalized
intersection.
J
So
you
have
these
you're
sitting
through
multiple
cycle
links
to
get
through
one
intersection,
and
the
cues
are
so
far
back
that
they're
spilling
into
the
next
signal
and
beyond.
The
next
signal.
I
J
That
is
a
measure
of
congestion,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
directly
correlate
to
travel
time
delay
like
you're
talking
about.
J
And
ken,
I
think,
can
still
hear-
perhaps
that's
something
that
we
can
talk
to
them
about
on
friday-
is,
if
there's
a
way
to
have
the
congestion
criteria,
maybe
more
closely
aligned
with
the
what
was
presented
at
the
at
the
workshop,
or
we
can
maybe
explain
this
one
a
little
bit
more
because
it
is
confusing.
I
do
one
thing
I
do
appreciate
about
their
proposal
for
the
spillback.
Is
that
they're
only?
J
It
seems
the
way
that
I
am
reading
it
is
that
they're
only
concerned
outside
of
peak
periods,
although
I
think
we
should
probably
further
define
what
that
even
means,
but
it
seems
like
they're
recognizing
that
there's
a
potential
for
cues
to
spill
back
to
adjacent
intersections
during
peak
periods,
and
that
is
an
okay
condition
for
them.
But
if
it's
outside
of
peak
periods,
meaning
I
what
my
interpretation
of
what
they're
saying
is
that
meaning
like
for
pretty
much
all
parts
of
the
day,
except
for
maybe
in
the
middle
of
the
night?
J
If
they're
spilled
back,
then
that's
an
unacceptable
condition
to
them.
So
I
think
I
think
we
need
a
lot
more
detail
here,
because
it's
not
clear
even
to
the
people
that
kind
of
or
know
the
lingo
it
could
be
further
defined.
Yeah.
G
K
And
and
just
but
just
to
add
to
what
you
were
saying
and
what
bill
was
asking
the
way
I
interpret
that
to
mean
is
that
I
think
that
everybody
can
see
that
there
could
definitely
be
congestion
and
travel
delays
during
the
peak
times
and
the
primary
peak
times
for
american
avenue
would
be
seven
to
nine
and
four
to
six,
because
it
is
definitely
a
commuter
route.
But
I
think
what
this
is
trying
to
tackle
is.
K
K
That's
where
they're
concerned,
one
of
the
ways
of
course
to
solve
that
is
to
make
sure
that
the
system,
the
signal
system
stays
I'll,
say
in
sync,
and
that
the
majority
of
the
green
time
then
is
given
to
merriman
avenue.
So
in
the
morning
that
green
time
may
be
coming
southbound
in
the
afternoon
that
green
time
may
be
going
northbound.
K
K
B
And
jessica
ken,
could
you
address
the
randy's
point
about
the
three-year
versus
five-year?
Is
that
incongruent,
with
a
project
like
this,
so
you
know,
are
we
are
we
kind
of
getting
set
up
here?
What
you
know?
What's
your
sense
for
that
that
situation.
K
Please
please
correct
me,
but
I
think
what
randy
was
referring
to
is
that
many
times
when
you're
looking
at
a
corridor
or
something
you're,
looking
at
traffic
crash
patterns
anywhere
from
a
three
to
a
five
year
period
and
and
for
a
long
time-
and
I
it's
been
a
long
time
since
I've
looked
at
it,
but
for
a
long
time
the
dlt
standard,
the
way
they
publish
we'll
say,
crash
data
was
always
in
a
three
year
period,
but
I
think
in
the
last
few
years
there's
been
a
lot
more
pre
credence
in
looking
at
a
five
year
period
and
I
think
that's
what
randy
was
referring
to.
K
C
C
I
don't
think
it
should
trigger
a
removal
clause.
It
should
trigger
a
discussion
clause
because
when
you
make
arbitrary
decisions
based
upon
data
that
may
not
be
completely
accurate,
then
that's
not
appropriate
either
and
real.
Quick
too
about
the
timing
of
the
lights
too.
We're
paying
for
the
timing
of
the
lights
to
be
changed,
correct,
but
yeah.
We
don't
have
control
over
the
timing
of
the
light.
Isn't
that
right,
which
seems
odd.
K
Well,
well,
we're
not
really
no
we're
not
really
paying
for
the
timing
of
the
light,
but
the
way
the
signals
are
situated
on
the
the
mast,
arms
or
even
on
the
span
wire
today,
that's
for
a
four
lane
configuration.
K
So
what
we're
paying
for
is
for
those
lights
to
be
shifted
that
line
up
with
the
new
lanes
once
it
goes
to
three
we're
really
not
our
cost
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
actual
timing
of
the
signals.
K
Now
the
dot
will
be
taking
care
of
the
loops
that
are
in
the
pavement
because
they
have
to
do
that
on
any
reception
project
anyway,
because
they
they
mill
so
much
of
it
off
of
the
asphalt
now.
Obviously,
that
takes
care
of
that
gets
rid
of
the
loops,
whether
you
want
to
or
not,
then
they
put
down
the
new
ones.
C
K
Yeah,
and
I
can't
I
can't
answer
that
question
definitively
today,.
B
H
So
I
was
going
to
kind
of
tee
off
of
what
randy
was
saying
originally
about.
You
know
the
the
crashes
and
jessica.
I
appreciate
you
putting
these
revisions
up,
I
mean
because
you
know
when
I
first
looked
at
this
earlier
today
I
was
like
oh
my
gosh
and,
and
it
looks
like
you
and
ken
and
everybody
are
hitting
everything
that
I
was
like.
This
seems
kind
of
crazy,
but
you
know
I
feel
like
there
have
been,
and
I
and
maybe
I'm
wrong
in
the
last
three
to
four
years.
H
We've
already
had
two
fatalities
on
merriman
avenue,
and
you
know
likewise
so
up
changing
that
to
three.
I
think
again,
don't
want
any
fatalities,
but
I
think
even
three
in
a
three-year
period,
maybe
isn't
enough.
I
hate
to
say
it
again.
How
do
we
figure
out?
Is
there
a
way
to
say?
Okay,
the
bicycle
pedestrian
use
on
merriman
right
now
is
x
and
we've
had
two
fatalities
in
that
amount
of
years.
H
So
that's
of
whatever
percentage
if
the
bicycle
pedestrian
use
increases
200
percent
and
we
have
two
extra
fatalities
in
the
same
time
period
again,
you
know,
can
we
figure
out
a
way
to
make
a
mathematical
calculation
of
that,
so
that
it's
really
not?
In
other
words,
the
the
fatalities,
the
crashes?
All
of
that
isn't
more
there's
just
more
because
there's
more
use,
and
so
I
think,
for
the
for
bullet
point
two
and
three
are
very
much
tied
together
in
that
way
that
you
know
we
need
to.
H
They
need
to
be
looking
at
it
from
the
amount
of
use
that
that
road
is
getting
and
and
the
difference
that
it
will
get
in
bicycle
and
pedestrian
use,
as
opposed
to
just
a
flat
number.
You
know
over
time,
so
that's
yeah
and
then
also
too.
H
Why
don't
we
look
at
the
reduction
in
automobile
crashes
like
if
they're
using
oath,
you
have
two
deaths
in
a
12-month
period.
That
means
we
need
to
take
it
away.
Well,
how
many
crashes
of
cars
do
we
have
right
now?
That
means
we
need
to
take
four
lanes
away.
I
mean
you
know
you
can
use
what's
happening
there
now
as
a
justification
to
do
something
different,
so.
E
J
J
I
think
the
challenge
is
that
we
don't
have
good
existing
data
for
rates
of
use.
So
I
think
that's
where
they're
coming
from
with
using
these
whole
numbers,
but
I
don't
know
ken
did-
was
that
something
that
you
guys
discussed
was
trying
to
establish
an
increased
rate
of
crashes
versus
just
pure
whole
numbers.
K
I
would
say
that
there's
a
couple
of
things
going
on
here
and
I'm
I'm
just
trying
to
be
totally
transparent
with
you
so,
and
I
think
that
some
of
you
probably
realize
this,
but
but
really
if,
when
we
say
the
dlt,
it
is
the
dlt.
K
He
has
to
depend
on
a
lot
of
their
expertise
and
when,
if
he's
going
to
advocate
for
a
project
and
even
side
with
the
city
as
an
example,
he
needs
to
have
the
support
of
those
folks,
and
so
part
of
this
is
coming
more
from
that
traffic
engineering
branch
and
their
concerns
about
this
overall
thing.
And
this
was
this
this
idea.
This
concept
was
really
suggested
to
try
to
ease
that
concern,
and
you
know
so.
I
still
think
that
we've
got
wiggle
room
as
far
as
the
actual
statistics.
K
B
Yes,
understood
kenny,
I
think
I
cut
you
off.
Did
you
have
a
comment.
D
Well,
I
just
want
to
remind
people
that
it
says
the
project
could
be
considered
for
removal
or
reversal
if
one
or
more
of
these
conditions
are
met.
D
D
Like
to
lobby
for
a
removal
removal
clause,
so
if
they
do
reverse
so
if
they
do
the
diet
and
then
they
reverse
it
back
to
the
current
configuration,
can
we
have
a
clause
in
there
that
has
conditions
where
they
bring
it
back
to
a
road
diet?
If
you
know
crashes
go
up
after
they
remove
the
road
diet,
configuration.
E
C
Yeah,
so
in
reading
the
complete
streets
policy
for
the
north
carolina,
it
says,
for
there
needs
to
be
a
complete
streets
review
team
and
it
consists
of
a
complete
street
program,
administrator
state
traffic,
engineer,
designee,
state,
roadway,
engineer,
designee,
integrated
mobility,
division
director
or
destiny
and
planning
division,
division
planning,
engineer
coordinator.
C
So
I
don't
think
those
people
are
all
involved
in
this,
but
it
seems
like
to
me
that
they're
not
following
their
own
policy
in
terms
of
this,
because
the
numbers
are
putting
forth
and
stuff,
I
it
seems
unlikely
that
they
would
come
up
with
that.
C
If
that
review
team
was
assembled
to
review
this,
so
I
guess
I'd
ask
you
know
them
because,
like
you
said
again
this
I
I
haven't
of
meetings
and
the
people
from
raleigh
have
been
very
heavily
handed
heavy-handed
and
inappropriate
in
the
way
that
they
discussed
some
of
these
issues
to
the
point
that
they
even
said
that
maybe
they
should
be
removed
from
discussion
because
they're
being
offensive
with
the
way
they
were
addressing
the
issues.
And
I
and
I
have
never
seen
that
team.
C
K
Right
and
in
2022
they
came
up
with
I'll
call
it
a
I'll
call
it
for
the
lack
of
a
better
word,
a
how-to
guide
for
that
policy.
You're
referring
to.
C
C
Ever
viewed
that
as
well
too-
and
it
doesn't
not
say
anything
about
not
having
that
team
as
well,
so
the
implementation
guide
is
actually
what
I
want
to
talk
about
in
terms
of
the
maintenance,
because
there's
also
the
maintenance
exception
policy
from
2003,
which
seems
to
be
the
most
recent
one.
And
neither
of
those
documents
say
anything
about
the
city
having
to
assume
cleaning
responsibilities
or
maintenance
responsibilities
for
any
facility.
C
Because
I
think
that's
a
special
point
too.
In
terms
of
like
the
city
council
approval
this,
which
is
going
to
be
huge.
So
I
can
jump
ahead
to
the
maintenance
part.
But
my
understanding
is
that
the
city
council
is
going
to
be
presented
with
having
to
purchase
another
street
sweeper
to
do
the
street
sweeping
which
would
be
a
huge
budgetary
influence
implication
and
that
that
may
then
dissuade
some
of
the
city
council
people
for
voting
for
this.
C
D
B
And
they're
also
ncdot
will
continue
to
support
and
maintain
both
the
sections
north
and
south
of
this
section
as
well
so
they're
going
to
be
out
there
doing
this
work,
just
not
in
the
in
the
zone.
K
And
dennis,
I
think
if
to
just
add
what
you
said.
Yes,
this.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
fact
that
they're
going
to
give
up
ownership
of
a
section
of
merriman
avenue,
it
will
still
be
us-25,
it
will
still
be
merriman
avenue.
It
will
still
be
a
state
maintained
facility.
That
is
definitely
correct.
B
Jessica,
do
you
wanna,
go
I'm
sorry
joe,
please.
I'm
sorry,
sorry
about.
H
Real
quick
can
and
jessica.
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
working
on
this.
I
mean
I
feel
like
we're.
You
know,
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
while
and
definitely
have
had
some.
You
know
pretty
in-depth
discussions,
but
I
do
feel
like
it's
it's
moving
forward
and
I
guess
I
I
just
want
to
say
I
have
some
encouragement
that
this
will
happen
and
I
very
much
appreciate
all
of
y'all's
hard
work.
It's.
I
know
it's
taken
a
lot
to
get
here.
J
A
J
We're
we're
in
a
totally
different
place
than
we
were
a
year
ago.
A
year
ago
they
were
wanting
us
to
own
the
road,
take
us
25
and
put
it
on
charlotte
street.
J
J
The
the
complete
streets
policy
are
are
very
important,
and
you
know
I
think
in
general.
Some
of
these
measures
are
not
not
detailed
enough
for
my
liking,
not
measurable
enough,
and
I
would
I'd
like
for
us
to
work
with
them.
J
You
know
to
to
try
to
refine
these
and
get
them
to
be
more
more
detailed
and
I
think
utilizing
some
of
the
people
on
that
team
might
be
a
good
means
of
doing
that,
and
you
know
the
way
I'm
looking
at
this
document.
Is
it's
just
a
word
document:
it's
not
the
actual
agreement,
so
I
do
think
there
is
wiggle
room,
as
ken
said,
to
refine
these
things
and
get
them
into
an
agreement
that
is
more
descriptive.
B
A
No,
I
don't
think
so.
I
think
I
think
the
rest
of
it
is
is
what
we've
discussed.
E
Points:
okay,
randy,.
C
C
Just
to
do
this
little
section
of
merriment
and
that's
a
it
could
be
a
deal
breaker
because
they're
gonna
be
like.
Should
we
spend,
I
don't
know
whatever
they
cost.
You
know
quarter
million
dollars
over
on
a
street
sweeper
just
for
this
little
bit,
and
so
that
loses
council
support
for
this
issue.
That
could
be
a
deal
killer
right.
I
mean
that's,
that's
my
understanding
of
it,
so
we
can't
risk
that
loss
of
support
from
council
over
them
requiring
us
to
sweep
this
road.
I
think
right
because
that
would
be
it
would
wipe
out
everything.
C
We've
been
doing
for
this
whole
period
of
time,
because
they've
got
fiscal
constraints
and
if
it's
not
appropriate
for
us
to
sweep
the
road
and
they're
requiring
us
to
do
so,
and
that
requires
a
new
sweeper,
which
is
a
huge
budgetary
outlay.
And
that
kills
the
deal.
Then
that's
the
deal
breaker.
So
we
really
can't
allow
that
to
be
included
unless
I'm
getting
this
totally
wrong.
But
that's
just
my
understanding
of
it.
E
K
Yes,
randy,
you
do
make
a
good
point,
but
I
want
to
just
let's
just
set
that
aside
for
a
second.
K
So
the
other
thing
you
know
to
do
this,
you
know
we're
responsible
to
have
an
upfront
cost
of
roughly
275
000
and
then,
if
it
didn't
work,
then
we'd
have
another
we'd
have
to
pay
that
again
as
well
as
pay
for
the
payment
markets.
K
Let's
just
concentrate
on
that
first
right
now
we
don't
even
have
an
identified
source
for
the
275
000
and
we
obviously
are
going
to
have
to
have
something
in
our
staff
report,
because
it's
not
good
for
staff
to
take
a
proposal
to
city
council
and
then
say:
oh,
but
by
the
way
it's
not
funded,
and
then
they
try
to
work
it
out
at
the
meeting.
So
we
still
got
to
tackle
that
issue.
K
K
O
K
It's
just
very,
very
tight
and
the
reason
for
that
because
originally
and
I
apologize
that
jessica
has
shared
with
this
information
in
the
past,
but
I
think
it's
important
just
to
say
it
again.
You
know
the
d.o.t
wanted
to
do
this
resurfacing
project
actually
last
year,
but
they
worked
with
us
to
delay
it
a
year
and
so
forth.
K
So
now,
if
they're
going
to
realistically
get
the
project
done
before
the
end
of
the
calendar
year
and
before
the
pavement
season
ends
and
if
we
move
forward
with
this
they've
obviously
got
to
get
a
lot
of
signal.
Work
done
behind
the
scenes
to
have
the
designs
in
place
to
sort
of
contract.
So
that's
why
this
timeline
is
the
way
it
is
right
now,
just
just
let
you
know,
but
we
definitely
appreciate
your
input.
K
Could
you
explain
a
little
bit
more?
What
you
mean
by
that.
D
Well,
there's
the
anticipated
cost
of
275
000
on
the
city
of
asheville
shoulders.
Is
that
something
that
we
need
to
help
push
up
a
hill.
K
No,
no,
no!
We!
I
was
just
trying
to
share
that
with
you,
that's
something
that
we
were
working
behind
the
scenes
and
we'll
have
to
just
get
identified.
You
know
prior
to
that
report
going
out,
but
no,
I
think
what
we
need
from
you
would
just
be
the
fact
that
you
all
support
the
project.
B
So
we
have
submitted,
we
have
had
a
motion
I
think
two
meetings
ago
to
support
this
project.
Is
there
something
else
that
we
could
do
other
than
providing
this
feedback
that
you
feel
would
be
helpful
to
your
crew
to
get
things
moving
forward?.
K
I
think
what
we
wanted
to
make
sure
was,
and
yes
I
know
earlier
on,
it
may
have
been
well.
You
meet
once
a
month,
so
it
might
just
been
two
meetings
ago.
I
know
you
indicated
support
in
the
past.
I
think
we
were
just
trying
to
make
sure
that,
what's
on
the
table
today
and
and
the
fact
that
we
have
the
willingness
of
the
d.o.t
to
move
forward
with
it,
because
you
didn't
have
that
the
last
time
we
just
want
to
make
sure
you
saw
it
again-
that's
all
okay.
B
Yeah,
for
my
sense
in
the
the
group,
I
don't
think
any
of
our
support
has
changed.
Randy.
You
have
a
comment.
C
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
so
again
same
thing
for
me
working
on
this
for
a
year.
So
it's
you
know
passionate
about
this,
but
so
our
recommendation
before-
and
I
think
it
still
is
maintained-
is
not
even
just
for
the
corridor
they're
suggesting
or
not
the
corridor,
but
the
section
of
the
corridor
they're
suggesting,
but
our
support
is
for
the
entire
section
of
being
the
same.
Repaved
received
treatment,
and
I
and
we
understand
that
they
may
not
be
realistic
at
this
point
in
time.
C
But
it's
important,
I
think,
for
ncdot
to
understand
that
we're
not
satisfied
with
just
a
partial
completion
of
this
network
that
we
really
need
to
have
a
complete
network
and
that
would
include
a
treatment
all
the
way
down
to
two
to
di40
zero
140
whatever.
So
I'm
sorry
I'm
in
each
I'm
in
new
mexico.
C
So
I'm
in
a
different
mindset
right
now,
but
and
that
wouldn't
have
to
include
from
chestnut
to
I-40
i1,
I'm
sorry
before
you
140.,
I
mean
being
bike
lanes
all
the
way
to
the
highway,
but
that
might
just
be
similar
treatment
from
chestnut
to
the
highway,
but
it
would
still
be
a
treatment
that
would
transition
then
from
bike
lanes.
That
would
extend
the
chestnut.
B
Yeah,
my
sense
is
that
the
the
group
is
still
just
to
give
you
the
feedback
you're.
Looking
for
ken,
the
group
is
still
very
much
in
support
of
the
plan.
It
seems
like
you're
you're,
going
through
you
and
jessica
are
going
through
the
fine-tooth
comb
on
the
in
the
wording,
and
that's
certainly
you
know,
I
think,
important-
that
we
understand
how
we're
going
to
be
measured
and
how
we
define
success,
so
it
to
me
it
seems
like
there's
still.
You
know
unless
I
hear
somebody
else
say.
B
There's
still,
you
know
almost,
if
not
complete,
unanimous
support
for
this
project.
H
B
We
are,
we
have
dipped
over
time
here.
So
if,
without
objection,
unless
jessica,
you
think
there's
anything
pressing
I'd
like
to
push
our
other
unfinished
items
and
then
our
updates
to
the
next
meeting
does
that
make
sense
for
everyone.