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A
Through
committee
meetings,
a
little
bit
differently,
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
and
comment
live
by
phone.
Please
dial,
855-925-2801.
A
A
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you're,
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
option.
Six
after
done
speaking
committee
members,
when
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello
and
who
you
are
with
and
what
sector
you're
in.
We
have
some
new
folks
here
today
and
we'd
like
for
them
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
you,
babs
phillip,.
A
Spaps
here
today,
yeah,
okay,
brandi
woodard.
B
C
Good
morning
I'm
andy
barnett,
I'm
the
executive
director
with
asheville
area
habitat
for
humanity.
I've
been
a
part
of
ahack
for
a
long
time.
I've
four
or
five
years.
D
Good
morning,
I'm
brian
mitzman,
I'm
an
independent
consultant.
I've
been
active
with
homeless
causes
here
in
asheville
for
a
long
time
and
very
concerned
about
affordable
housing
issues
and
have
been
on
a
heck
for
two
years.
A
Okay,
joe
just
joined,
so
I
see
her
now
joe.
A
F
G
Yeah-
I
am
margie
sorry
about
that.
I
was,
I
was
just
logging
in
so
I
take
it
we're
I'm
introductions
yeah
joe
eckelheimer,
I've
been
on
the
committee
for
about
six
years.
I
think
I'm
getting
ready
to
roll
off,
but
I
work
in
affordable
housing
on
the
national
level
in
the
country
and
live
here
in
asheville
for
the
last
16
years.
A
H
Yeah
so
my
name's,
emily
axelman
hi
everyone
nice
to
meet
you
in
covid
style,
I'm
an
architect
in
asheville.
I
work
for
row
house
we're
a
four-person
firm.
Do
multiple
projects
around
the
city,
anything
from
townhomes
to
multi-family
projects,
a
lot
of
historic
preservation
as
well.
My
background
is
pretty
much
solely
in
affordable
housing.
Up
until
now,
I
worked
in
denver
for
about
or
in
the
colorado
area,
for
about
nine
years
before
this
specifically
on
affordable
multi-family
housing
projects,
also
quite
a
few
supportive
permanent
housing
projects.
H
What
else
I
worked
on
a
tiny
house
project
in
denver,
which
was
pretty
interesting,
so
yeah
I'll?
Stop
there.
I'm
happy
to
be
here.
I
A
Well,
we
look
forward
to
your
very
valuable
input
on
our
committee
so
and
I
also
want
to
say,
welcome
to
sasha
vertonsky,
who
is
our
new
permanent,
affordable
housing
officer.
So
we
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
are
you're
now
with
us
full-time
thanks.
A
Great
so
now
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
approval
of
the
minutes,
as
everybody
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
the
minutes
from
this
would
be
our
may
5th
meeting
where
we
had
several
action
items,
because
we
we
did
not
have
a
meeting
in
june.
A
So
if
there
are
any
additions,
comments
or
anything
to
the
minutes
meetings,
if
there
isn't
anything,
then
I'm
gonna
ask
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
may
5th.
A
Second,
second,
great,
thank
you
so
very
much.
We
have
a
link
on
the
website
or
the
city
page
to
the
monthly
housing
data.
I
did
notice
that
we
have
about
19
houses
under
375.
A
Listed
and
I
think
seven
or
eight
of
those
are
under
contract,
but
we
also
have
about
14
condos
that
are
listed.
Anybody
in
the
real
estate
world
want
to
make
a
comment
about
our
our
current
housing
houses
that
are
listed.
A
No
well
there's
beautiful
pictures
on
there.
If
you
want
to
look
at
that
link,
and
so
now
we're
going
to
go
to
our
housing
community
development
committee,
monthly
information
sharing.
Oh
you
know
what
I
just
forgot
realized
that
I
forgot
antoinette
mosley,
who
is
our
city
liaison
to
city
council
antoinette,
didn't
see
her
picture.
I
know
she's
here,
but
she's
a
little
under
the
weather.
L
No,
no
worries
no
worries
at
all
good
morning.
Everyone,
david
bartholomew,
I'm
the
homeless
prevention
director
at
pisco
legal
services
focused
on
eviction,
diversion
and
I've
only
been
on
this
committee,
for
I
think,
four
or
five
months
so
glad
to
be
here.
A
Great,
thank
you
apologize
for,
leaving
you
off
there
david,
so
we're
going
to
talk
about
hcd,
and
we
have
a
presentation
this
morning
by
rachel
wood,
who
is
our
new
assistant
city
manager
rachel?
Can
you
want
to
give
us
a
little
bit?
Tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself.
M
Sure
good
morning,
everyone
and
thank
you
for
the
introductions.
This
is
definitely
an
impressive
group
and
appreciate
your
willingness
to
serve
on
this
board.
I've
been
with
the
organization
since
january
prior
to
coming
to
asheville.
I
worked
for
about
four
years
for
the
city
of
denton
texas,
which
is
just
north
of
dallas
and
fort
worth
very
high
growth
community
with
a
population
of
about
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand.
M
While
I
was
there,
I
worked
in
capital
project
development
also
served
as
the
chief
of
staff
in
the
city
manager's
office
and
prior
to
working
in
denton.
I
worked
for
about
eight
years
for
the
city
of
charlotte
in
several
different
roles,
primarily
in
the
budget
office
working
on
strategic
planning
and
capital
budgeting
there.
I
also
have
experience
in
savina
georgia
and
then
a
small
community
called
lake
worth
beach
in
palm
beach
county
florida.
M
I'm
going
to
keep
calling
myself
new
for
at
least
the
first
year,
just
because
I'm
meeting
players
and
learning
the
landscape
and
and
definitely
know
for
the
first
year,
I'm
going
to
kind
of
be
in
sponge
mode,
trying
to
absorb
the
community
landscape
and
then
and
then
try
to
work
on
some
of
the
major
topics
that
we're
trying
to
tackle
as
a
community.
M
On
june
21st,
I
gave
a
presentation
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
related
to
the
work
playing
concept,
and
this
is
something
that's
an
offshoot
of
conversations
that
myself
deborah
the
rest
of
the
city.
Manager's
office
have
been
having
with
the
city
council
since
their
march
retreat.
M
M
How
do
we
as
staff
and
how
do
we
work
with
the
advisory
boards
and
other
community
groups
to
make
sure
that
we're
operationalizing
the
city,
council,
strategic
priorities
and
ultimately
having
a
communication
loop
back
to
the
city
council
via
their
committees
or
through
the
city
council
meetings
themselves,
to
make
sure
that
city
council
is
aware
of
the
progress
that
we're
making
in
each
of
their
priority
areas
throughout
the
year?
So
that's
how,
as
we
brainstorm,
what
are
some
of
the
best
vehicles
to
do
that?
M
The
committee
work
plan
concept
came
to
be,
and
so
as
we're
talking
through
this,
I
want
to
make
sure
you
all
are
aware.
This
is
very
much
still
a
pilot,
so
housing
and
community
development
committee
is
what
we're
piloting
this
work
plan
concept
with
and
then
the
concept
is
housing
and
community
development
committee
would
identify.
M
What
are
the
key
policy
areas
that
that
committee
council
committee
wants
to
focus
on
throughout
the
year
and
then
they'll
be
designating
key
assignments
that
different
advisory
boards,
including
ahac,
will
be
working
on
and
then
provide
an
outlet
for
a
hack
to
report
back
to
the
city
council
committee.
Throughout
the
year,
the
progress
that
you're
making
recommendations
that
you
may
have
to
then
ultimately
inform
the
committee's
policy
recommendations
that
full
city
council
would
then
approve.
M
So
I'm
going
to
reiterate
some
of
that
in
this
presentation,
but
just
wanted
to
give
you
all
that
high
level
overview
and
make
sure
you
all
knew.
This
is
very
much
a
pilot.
So
today
I
definitely
want
feedback
from
you
all
on
how
you
see
this
concept,
potentially
working
at
the
advisory
board
level
and
then,
ultimately,
what
you
would
like
to
see
in
terms
of
that
feedback
loop
between
the
advisory
board
and
the
city
council
committee.
M
M
Okay,
can
everyone
see
my
screen?
Yes,
excellent?
Okay,
so
just
a
few
key
takeaways
city
council
committees
were
established
to
review
policy
matters
and
make
policy
recommendations
that
are
ultimately
then
considered
by
the
full
city.
Council.
The
city
council,
strategic
priorities,
inform
what
each
city
council
committee
should
focus
on
throughout
the
fiscal
year.
M
Committee
work
plans
include
specific
assignments
for
advisory
boards,
which
then
inform
future
policy
recommendations
and
then
we're
recommending
that
individual
advisory
boards
have
their
own
respective
work
plans
to
help
ensure
alignment
with
council
committees
and
facilitate
advanced
planning
for
future
meeting
agendas.
So
that
there's
not
a
question
from
a
staff
perspective
or
for
the
chair
and
committee.
What
is
it
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
at
our
next
meeting?
M
I
know
that's
likely
not
the
case
with
this
advisory
board,
but
I
know
there
are
advisory
boards
across
asheville
that
sometimes
don't
have
content
to
cover
at
their
monthly
meeting,
and
so
the
thought
processes.
The
work
plan
would
would
provide
that
advanced
planning
so
that
we're
not
having
to
scramble
to
pull
together
materials
for
the
advisory
board
meetings
each
month.
M
So
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
this,
but
the
city
council
established
the
community's
vision
back
in
2018
and
the
intent
of
a
vision,
just
like
any
of
you
with
your
corporations,
is
to
be
broad
multi-year
and
very
aspirational
in
nature.
Back
in
2018,
there
were
also
focus
areas
that
were
established
to
really
look
at
when
we,
when
we
look
at
our
vision,
what
are
those
key
areas
that
we
look
at?
How
would
we
potentially
operationalize
that
long-term
vision
in
the
community
and
then
to
get
a
little
more
specific
on
that
one-year
horizon?
M
As
I
mentioned
before,
bringing
up
the
presentation
at
each
city
council
retreat
that
typically
happen
in
the
spring
as
a
part
of
the
budget
process,
strategic
priorities
are
adopted
so
back
in
march
six
strategic
priorities
for
the
current
fiscal
year
that
just
started
in
july
were
adopted.
Those
include
improve
and
expand
core
services,
houselessness
strategies,
equitable
and
affordable
housing,
instability,
neighborhood
resilience,
reimagining
public
safety
and
reparations.
M
So
just
to
cut
another
visual.
To
show
you
what
I
just
described.
We
have
that
broad
city
council
vision,
we
get
a
little
more
specificity
with
the
city
council's
focus
areas
and
then
those
strategic
priorities
that
have
more
of
an
annualized
view
we're
going
to
be
developing
over
the
next
month.
That
pilot
work
plan
for
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
and
then
we'll
be
working
with
this
group
over
the
next
couple
of
months
on
the
development
of
your
work
plan
to
really
look
at.
M
Of
course,
sasha's
going
to
be
working
on
that
she's
going
to
be
likely
working
with
this,
this
advisory
board
on
that,
and
it
will
also
most
likely
be
an
item
that
would
be
on
the
council
committee
work
plan
as
well,
so
just
to
go
through
the
concept
in
a
little
bit
greater
detail.
I've
already
mentioned
that
the
strategic
priorities
are
typically
reviewed
and
approved
each
year
at
the
city
council
retreat
those
priorities
inform
city
council
committee
work
plans
that
then
outline
key
areas
of
focus
for
that
committee
throughout
the
fiscal
year.
M
Key
policy
areas
we're
envisioning.
Those
would
be
focused
on
based
on
direction
received
from
the
city
council
committees,
but
we
do
know
that
there
are
going
to
be
other
areas.
There
may
be
presentations
that
you
want
to
hear
or
specific
topics
related
to
one
of
those
policy
recommendations
that
you
may
want
to
drill
down
into
and
provide
be
provided
more
detail
on,
and
so
we
just
want
to
think
about.
M
You
know
how
do
we
get
the
necessary
autonomy
to
the
advisory
boards,
while
still
making
sure
that
the
work
that
you're
doing
is
directly
aligned
with
that
policy
direction
from
the
city
council
committees,
advisory
boards?
As
I've
mentioned
our
thought
process,
and
this
would
be
having
a
an
outlet
to
have
more
regular
feedback
loops
between
the
advisory
board
and
the
council
committee,
so
we're
envisioning,
potentially
at
a
minimum
having
quarterly
report
backs
from
advisory
boards
to
the
city
council
committees.
M
Just
so
that
you
can
have
that
dialogue
directly
and
you're
not
having
to
use
always
rely
on
city
staff
as
that
intermediary
and
then
based
on
the
recommendations
made
from
the
advisory
boards.
The
council
committees
would
use
that
feedback
to
develop
policy
recommendations
which
would
ultimately
be
approved
and
considered
by
the
city
council.
M
So,
just
to
use
a
an
example
of
how
we're
seeing
this
flow
potentially
working
strategic
priority
of
equitable
and
affordable
housing
and
stability.
So
that's
one
of
the
six
strategic
priorities
for
the
current
fiscal
year.
The
associated
city
council
committee
is
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
and
then
a
committee
work
plan
topic
would
be
update,
affordable
housing
strategies,
and
so
this
is
actually
one
of
the
committee
work
plan
topics
that
we
are
considering
bringing
forward
to
the
full
housing
and
community
development
committee
whenever
they
meet
in
august.
M
So
from
there
a
potential
assignment
from
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
could
be
review,
land
use,
incentive,
grant
policy
and
develop
recommended
revisions,
and
so
you
would
develop
your
recommended
revisions
report
back
on
a
quarterly
or
semi-regular
basis
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee.
There
would
be
some
back
and
forth.
You
may
be
assigned
additional
research
from
the
committee
and,
ultimately,
the
recommendations
that
you
make
would
be
considered
by
the
city
council
committee
and
then
those
recommendations
would
be
brought
forward
to
a
future
city
council
meeting
for
potential
adoption.
M
Policy
revisions,
so
next
steps,
as
I've
mentioned,
we're
working
right
now
on
drafting
the
work
plan
for
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
and
we're
planning
on
bringing
that
forward
july,
19th
for
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
to
review
potentially
approve
or
they
may
get
staff
feedback,
and
we
would
need
to
bring
it
back
again
in
august.
M
On
august
4th
at
your
next
meeting,
we
do
plan
on
coming
back
with
more
specific
assignments
based
on
the
either
approved
or
draft
work
plan
from
the
housing
and
community
development
committee,
and
then
once
we
get
those
work
plans
established,
then
we'll
look
at.
Is
it
quarterly
or
how
frequently
should
representatives
from
this
group
report
back
to
the
city
council
committee,
in
this
case
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
on
the
progress
you're
making
for
the
different
policy
areas
that
this
group
is
focused
on
in
fall
of
2022
likely
in
september?
M
We're
going
to
take
some
of
the
lessons
learned.
We
have
as
we're
developing
the
work
plan
for
housing
and
community
development
committee
and
look
at
rolling
out
this
similar
process
for
all
of
the
city
council
committees
and
then
making
specific
assignments
to
advisory
boards
across
across
the
city
in
several
different
topic
areas.
M
M
Again
we'll
be
coming
back
with
more
specificity
to
this
group
at
your
august
meeting,
but
really
want
to
kind
of
open
the
floor
to
one
answer.
Any
questions
that
you
might
have
and
then
two
get
feedback
from
you
all
on
your
experience
on
areas
that
maybe
we
need
to
be
considering
as
topics
for
the
work
plan
or
ideas
that
you
have
on
how
to
better
improve
communication
between
advisory
boards,
city
council
committees
and
ultimately
to
full
city
council.
A
C
Rachel
thanks
so
much.
This
is
really
it's
helpful
and
it's
it
it.
You
guys
have
put
a
ton
of
work
into
fleshing
out
these
details.
I
I
have
kind
of
one
big
concern
that
jumps
out
to
me,
or
I
won't
say,
concern
question.
It
feels
like
a
lot
of
this
rolls
down
from
you
know
from
council
priorities
to
council
committee
to
to
the
advisory
boards,
and
that
certainly
creates
a
lot
of
clarity
and
direction
for
us.
C
It's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
this
committee
has
tried
to
be
at
some
points
when
which
is
sort
of
a
citizen
input
platform
that
would
flow.
You
know,
agenda
setting,
you
know,
recommendations
up.
So
how
do
we
get?
You
know
you
you
mentioned.
You
know.
C
Part
of
this
realignment
was
to
was
to
improve
community
input
in
decision
making.
So
you
know
how
does
the
how
do
community
members
impact
or
affect
the
agenda
setting
that's
happening
at
hcd?
If
that's
gonna,
then
like
roll
down
and
and
determine
this
committee's
work
plan,
it
really
makes
the
place
where
I
see
this.
C
Making
a
big
difference
is
in
the
community
makeup
and
because
we've
got
some
new
members,
we've
got
some
open
seats
coming
up
the
way
the
example
that
you've
described
this
committee
really
would
be
serving
kind
of
as
a
force,
multiplier
technical
assistance
to
staff
right,
which
means
we
need
a
committee,
a
committee
makeup
that
looks
like
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
are
on
the
call
today,
people
with
background
in
engineering
and
background
and
land
use
and
those
sorts
of
things.
C
What
it
doesn't
look
like
is
some
of
the
members
of
the
committee
who
aren't
on
the
call
today
and
who
we've
struggled
to
engage,
who
have
more
lived
experience,
who
are
maybe
more
affected
by
some
of
the
decisions
that
we
make
about
affordable
housing.
So
if
we're
trying
to
be
more
representative
and
get
you
know
the
people
who
are
most
affected
by
the
the
policy
decisions
of
the
city,
you
know
putting
making
this
more
of
a
kind
of
technical.
C
You
know
you're
going
to
look
at
changes
to
the
land
use
incentive
grants,
something
that's
kind
of
almost
more
of
a
like.
None
of
us
are
experts
in
that,
to
the
same
degree
that
that
nikki
and
sasha
and
the
staff
team
is
like
how
do
we?
How
do
we
create
the
platform
for
citizens
who
are
affected
by
the
affordable
housing
challenges
that
we
face
and
by
our
policy
decision?
How
do
they
have
influence
on
what
things
make
it
onto
the
onto
the
work
plan
agenda
for
hcd
around
this
topic?
M
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question
and
that's
something
that
actually
sasha-
and
I
were
talking
about
a
little
bit
yesterday
and
and
again
we're
kind
of
figuring
this
out
as
we
go.
But
I
think
that's
where
we're
gonna
have
the
benefit
of
having
your
your
work
plan,
which
will
be
aligned
with
the
committee's
work
plan
that
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
have
a
one-to-one
ratio.
M
M
So
that's
an
important
point
is
really
what
we're
looking
at
is
that
one
year
snapshot
of
what
do
we
have
the
resources
and
bandwidth
to
do
over
the
next
year,
and
so
that's
where
I
think
you
can
use
your
advisory
board's
work
plan
and
those
regular
updates
with
city
council
to
have
that
communication
on.
Are
we
focusing
on
the
right
things,
but
then
also
making
sure
we've
got
some
guardrails
around
what
is
doable
over
the
course
of
the
next
year?
M
What
are
those
key
initiatives
that
we
can
focus
on
and
really
make
some
significant
impact
on
over
the
course
of
the
fiscal
year?.
J
Can
I
could
I
make
a
couple
comments
to
that?
I
think
andy.
You
do
bring
a
very
good
point
and
I
think
there's
a
couple
of
things.
I
I
do
think
that
ahax
advice
on
policy
matters
should
should
definitely
include
you
know
what's
going
on
in
the
community
if
they're
things
like
it
doesn't
all
have
to
be
technical
right.
So
if
there
are
community
members
on
this
committee
who
say
hey,
this
sounds
great
on
paper,
but
here's
some
real
issues.
That's
part
of
your.
J
You
know
consideration
and
advice
to
counsel,
I
think,
and
it's
the
same
with
staff
and
if,
if
we're
working
on
the
same
thing
together,
it's
a
nice
alignment
where
I
was
talking
with
rachel
yesterday
about
you
know
one
tool
we
often
use
in
city
and
city
staff
is,
if
we're
trying
to
evaluate.
J
Is
this
a
good
policy
decision
or
recommendation?
Let's
do
a
focus
group
with
this
group.
We
don't
know
how
this
affects
this
group
of
people,
and
so
staff
might
be
doing
some
of
that
work
and
bringing
that
information
to
you
all
to
consider.
It
might
be
the
kind
of
thing
if
we
had
a
focus
group
of
a
particular
group.
That's
going
to
be
impacted
that
some
of
you
are
there
and
attending
and
listening.
You
know.
J
I
think
it's
not
going
to
be
doable
on
every
single
thing,
but
I
think
for
the
really
big
big
nuggets,
important
work
plan
items.
We
need
your
help
to
make
sure
we're.
Considering
all
the
different
points
of
view
and
that's
partly
our
job
is
staff.
It's
not
just
purely
a
technical
consideration,
but
we
we
definitely
want
to
be
considering
all
the
impacts
to
the
community
and,
if
they're,
not
on
your
committee,
then
let's
make
sure
we're
we're
getting
those
opinions
and
going
out
to
the
community
and
finding
finding
that
information
out.
A
No
well
rachel,
I
think
we
we
need
to
think
about
it
a
little
bit
and
maybe
we'll
get
back
to
you
via
email
or
something.
I
think
that
you've,
given
us
tremendous
amount
of
information-
and
I
think
it's
it's
going
to
be
very
important
for
us-
to
to
kind
of
go
through
that
and
figure
out
how
we
can
align
all
of
what
we're
planning
on
doing.
We
are
definitely
thinking
I
mean.
We've
been
working
a
little
bit
on
our
work
plan
right
now.
A
The
committee
has
been
working
under
a
2008
work
plan,
so
we've
already
met
a
couple
of
times
and
are
working
with
folks
to
try
to
update
that,
but
we
definitely
need
to
maybe
sit
down
with
you
prior
to
the
next
meeting
and
try
to
to
hash
through
some
of
those
those
things.
And
so
I
don't
know
if
you
have
the
2008
work
plan
for
a
heck
or
not,
but
we
certainly
would
be
glad
to.
I
can
send
it
to
you
if
you
don't
have
it
somewhere.
M
And
then
I
believe
the
plan
is
for
your
august
meeting
for
me
to
come
back
and
that's
to
have
maybe
more
of
a
working
session
to
to
really
dial
dial
into
what
should
the
work
plan
include
for
fiscal
year,
2022
2023,
which
just
started.
A
Right,
okay,
thank
you!
So
very,
very
much.
We
appreciate
it.
So,
let's
jonathan
do
you
have
we
talked
last
time
about
the
cdbg
repair
funds
for
manufactured
homes
and
there's
an
update
included
in
our
packet,
anything
that
you
can
add
to
that
for
right
now,.
N
Certainly,
I
think
I
can
give
you
a
bit
of
an
update
just
a
little
bit
of
background
for
anybody.
N
That
may
not
be
familiar
with
the
conversation
that
we've
been
having
over
the
last
few
months,
but
at
the
march
meeting
this
committee
made
a
recommendation
to
update
or
mend
the
current
cdbg
policy
for
asheville
to
include
mobile
home
repairs
on
mobile
and
manufactured
homes
that
are
not
on
a
permanent
foundation,
because
that
was
one
of
the
restrictions
listed
in
our
current
policy
staff
have
gone
back
to
the
cdb
regulations,
to
hud
guidance,
to
sort
of
investigate
that
option.
N
Right
now,
the
state
of
north
carolina
considers
a
mobile
home
that
is
not
on
a
permanent
foundation
to
be
titled
as
a
motor
vehicle,
and
so
in
order
to
convert
that
to
real
property,
the
the
hitch
tongue
and
axles
would
need
to
be
removed
and
the
mobile
unit
would
need
to
be
permanently
fixed
to
property,
and
at
that
point,
then
it
would
be
considered
real
property
and
could
then
be
repaired
or
provided
with
some
rehab
using
cdbg
funds
a
little
bit
of
dialogue
at
one
of
our.
N
I
guess
it
was
the
april
meeting
about
clarifying
that
and
some
questions
about.
You
know
hud's
definition
of
permanent
housing
stock
and
whether
or
not
that
applies
to
mobile
and
manufactured
homes,
and
I
believe
david
shared
a
policy
brief
from
one
of
the
law
clerks
at
pisgah.
That
outlines
some
questions,
concerns
and
some
discussion
about
the
applicability
of
cdbg
regulations
and
definitions.
I
N
Materials
were
supposed
to
be
linked
in
the
agenda
and
I
realized
that
we
had
a
link
that
was
directed
to
an
to
the
previous
agenda
folder.
So
I'm
hoping
everybody's
got
access
to
that,
but
I
can
share
a
copy
of
that
memo.
If
that's
not
immediately
available,
give
me
just
a
moment.
I
will
at
least
put
that
in
the
comments,
so
that
folks
can
have
access
to
that.
Bear
with
me
just
a
second,
so
there
should
be
a
copy
there,
and
I
can
share
my
screen.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
jonathan.
So
do
we
have
an
idea
on
what
the
cost
is
to
remove
the
hitch
and
axles
and
and
to
convert
these
to
the
permanent
foundation,
to
kind
of
so
that
the
funds
could
be
released?
Is
there
another
source
of
funding
that
could
help
folks
transition
to
to
that
point?.
N
That's
that
is
an
interesting
question
and
I
think
it's
something
that
I
realized
in
the
response
that
I'm
sharing
now
that
we
we
might
want
to
consider.
But
for
the
moment
we
can't,
according
to
the
response
from
hud,
we
can't
use
the
cdbg
funds
on
on
a
unit,
that's
not
on
a
permanent
foundation.
So
the
question
that
I've
got
on
the
screen
here
I
reached
out
to
to
the
hud
field
office
very
specifically
referenced.
This
committee's
recommendation
provided
the
research
that
that
my
team
did
provided
those
links.
N
According
to
the
cdb
regulations,
it
would
have
to
be
on
a
permanent
foundation
to
the
point
that
there
was
further
recommendation
that
if
we
do
provide
rehab
on
a
mobile
or
manufactured
home
and
it's
converted
to
real
property
on
a
permanent
foundation,
that
we
include
a
clause
requiring
that
it
stay
on
that
permanent
foundation
to
protect
the
cdbg
investment,
so
that
somebody
would
not
be
incentivized
to,
for
whatever
reason
put
it
from
a
foundation
in
place.
Qualify
for
cdbg
repairs,
funded
repairs
and
then
remove
said
foundation
and
relocate
the
unit.
N
N
I
think
the
points
made
in
the
policy
recommendation
from
pisgah
sharing
that
as
well
on
the
screen.
Those
are
in
the
document
interesting
points
that
I
concerned
that
there's
not
much
that
we
can
do
to
get
those
regulations
changed
at
the
federal
level
based
on
on
the
the
laws
and
guidelines
referenced
here.
N
B
That's:
okay,
thanks
andy
yeah,
so
this
seems,
like
maybe
an
obvious
question,
but
you
know
it
seems
to
be
about
when
the
determination
is
being
made
right
like
if,
if
the
tongue
are
not
removed,
you
know
the
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
to
qualify
hasn't
been
done
yet,
but
we
don't
make
the
determination
as
to
what's
been
done.
Until
the
repairs
are
complete,
then
we
can
say
that
upon
completion
of
the
repairs,
then
it
now
qualifies
right
am
I.
N
I
mean
so,
I
think,
that's
and
to
sort
of
chris's
point
as
well.
I
think
the
question
about
the
removal
of
the
tongue,
hitch
and
axles
and
the
installation
of
a
permanent
foundation
may
very
well
be
cdbg
eligible
activities
as
part
of
the
rehab
process
yeah,
but
those
would
have
to
be
in
place
in
order.
Those
would
have
that
would
have
to
be
part
of
the
scope
of
work
proposed
during
the
rehabilitation
process.
N
That
said,
that
could
be
a
simple
clarification
from
hud
that
we
would
be
allowed
to
use
cdbg
funds
for
the
installation
of
permanent
foundations,
and
that
would
not
require
us
to
change
our
current
policy
cool.
So
we
may
jump
this
hurdle
as
long
as
as
long
as
we
have
clarification
from
hud
that
the
installation
of
those
permanent
foundations
would
be
an
eligible
cost
and
activity
with
the
cdbg
funds.
C
C
So
because
I
know
this
is
being
used
in
other
in
other
states,
and
maybe
it's
maybe
it's
a
function
of
the
fact
that
they
don't
have
the
property
law
in
those
states
that
that
has
such
a
limited
definition
of
what
constitutes
real
property.
C
This
connection
between
what
is
real
property
and
what
is
part
of
the
permanent
housing
stock
seems
to
be
the
the
crux
to
the
issue
here
like
we,
we
are
hud's
rule
is
you
can
only
use
cdbg
on
units
that
are
part
of
the
public
housing
stock,
we're
saying
that
the
north
carolina
property
statute,
that
you've
referenced
defines
things
as
being
part
of
the
permanent
housing
stock
if
they're
real
property
right.
So
I'm
gonna
ask
the
same
question
that
I
did
when
we
discussed
this
back
in
april
or
may,
which
is?
C
Are
we
prepared
as
a
community,
to
take
the
you
know,
thousands
of
units
that
are
of
manufactured
housing
that
exist
in
our
community
and
treat
them
as
though
they
are
not
part
of
our
housing
supply
like
what
is
that
going
to
mean
for
us
in
other
policy
decisions?
Do
we
need
to
start
treating
those
those
households
and
those
housing
units
as
part
of
our
unhoused
population
if
they're,
if
their
housing
is
not
a
permanent
part
of
our
housing
stock?.
N
So
I
think,
first,
first
of
all,
asheville's
decisions
to
consider
something
as
part
of
our
community's
housing
stock
does
not
necessarily
have
to
be
linked
one-to-one
with
hud's
definition
of
what
that
means.
It
just
means
that
we
would
be
limited
in
using
cdbg
for
that
purpose.
N
I
will
point
out
that
our
our
housing
trust
fund
also
uses
the
exact
same
definition.
It
refers
to
the
permanent
housings.
It
refers
to
manufactured
homes,
on
permanent
foundations
as
being
a
requirement
to
invest
those
funds,
as
well
as
by
reference.
The
north
carolina
housing
finance
agency
has
a
single
family
rehab
program.
They
use
the
same
definition.
They
use
the
same
thresholds,
so
I
think
I
think,
there's
some.
You
know
community
precedent,
but
at
the
same
time
and
the
statewide
president
for
using
that,
as
as
a
threshold
and
an
eligibility
threshold.
N
As
far
as
the
question
of
whether
or
not
somebody
who
is
living
in
a
mobile
home
that
is
not
on
a
permanent
foundation
is
unhoused,
I
think
we
have
a
tendency
to
veer
into
other
definitions
of
that
hud
and
the
community
may
use
for
what
is
permanent
housing
versus
shelter
versus
temporary
or
transitional
housing
and
sort
of
use.
Those
use
those
terms
interchangeably
when
that's
not
actually
the
case.
N
So
if
we
talk
about
permanent
housing
when
it
relates
to
our
homelessness,
housing
intervention
resources,
permanent
housing
is
you
know
a
unit
that
is
being
leased
to
a
person
long
term,
it's
not
really
the
nature
of
its
manufacturing.
If
somebody
is
housed
in
a
unit
for-
and
I
think
you
reference
point
in
time-
count
in
the
past-
it's
not
based
on
what
the
nature
of
the
construction
is
for
that
count
is
that
person
stably
housed?
Yes,
is
their
housing
eligible
for
cdbg
rehabilitation?
N
No
in
the
same,
it's
kind
of
can
get
into
being
a
slippery
slope
if
we
start
defining
where
people
that
are
living
as
permanent
housing
based
on
tenure.
N
So
if
somebody
was
living
in
their
car
for
30
years,
they
would
be
homeless,
but
because
they've
been
there
for
30
years,
doesn't
make
that
car
part
of
our
permanent
housing
stock,
and
so
where,
where
we
split
the
hair,
where
it
seems
like
we're,
splitting
hairs,
you
know,
has
some
real
impacts,
but
specifically
cdbge
define
that
that's
that's
really
where
it
comes
down
to
is
what
the
hud
interpretation
of
the
permanent
housing
stuff
so.
J
C
C
Primarily
with
you
know,
a
limited
equity
type
of
ownership,
but
still
ownership,
who
have
who
face
limitations
to
being
able
to
main
that
maintain
that
home
in
a
safe
and
habitable
condition
that
other
people
in
our
community
have
access
to
simply
because
of
the
type
of
property
ownership
designation.
C
I
understand,
as
a
you
know,
as
a
committee
is
elevating
the
places
where
people
are
falling
through
our
policy
cracks
right.
This
is
a
place
where
people
are
falling
through
our
policy
cracks
and
the
the
in
my
interest
in
raising
this
as
a
cdbg
eligible
activity
is
we
have
scarce
local
dollars
right?
We
have.
You
know
when
we
look
at
the
mix
of
tools
that
the
city
can
invest
in
affordable
housing.
The
federal
tools
are,
you
know,
are
a
pool
that
we
don't
have
to
generate
out
of
our
own
community
that
we
can
use.
C
You
know
as
long
as
we're
working
within
the
eligible
activities.
We
can
use
those
first
and
use
the
local
dollars
to
you
know
as
our
most
flexible
resources.
So
I
like
to
use
those
first
if
we
can
think
about
that,
it
sounds
like
you've
run.
This
rabbit,
you're
convinced
that
this
isn't
going
anywhere
as
a
federal
tool.
So
we
need
to
think
about.
You
know.
C
If
this
is
going
to
be
done
with
local
limited
local
dollars,
then
we
have
to
start
deciding
priorities
between
using
those
limited
local
dollars
to
help
to
fund
one
kind
of
housing
activity
versus
funding,
another
kind
of
housing
activity,
and
when
we
get
back
to
the
conversation
we
were
having
earlier
with
rachel,
I
don't
know
where
we
make
those
decisions
right
to
say
there
are.
These
are
the
places
where
my
neighbors
in
this
community
are
not
getting
their
housing
needs
met
and
we're
gonna
put
these
scarce
resources
in
these
places.
C
So
this
is
a
need
that
I
see
if
it
can't
be
met
through
federal
dollars.
Let's
start
thinking
about
how
we
could
meet
this
need
through
with
local
dollars,
and
then
we've
got
to
do
the
hard
work
of
figuring
out.
How
do
we
invest
in
this
versus
something
else?
C
But
this
is,
you
know,
I'm
not
going
to
keep
beating
this
dead
horse
on
the
cdbg
side
of
things
end
of
the
day,
we've
got
a
group
of
people
in
our
community
who
can't
access
the
resources
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
maintain
their
homes
in
a
safe
and
healthy
condition
and
they're.
You
know
some
of
the
folks
who
are
finding
ways
to
make
affordable
housing
happen
in
a
market-based
unsubsidized
fashion.
For
the
most
part.
N
A
No,
okay,
certainly
something
that
I
think
maybe
we
can
investigate
and
find
out
what
what
that
cost
is
versus
and
also
the
cost
to
put
something
on
a
permanent
foundation.
A
C
C
A
L
Yeah,
it's
it's
prohibitedly,
expensive,
and
you
know,
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
you
know
I'm
very
interested
in
getting
to
the
bottom
of
this
answer
is
that
the
federal
money
really
would
make
a
huge
difference.
It's
not
a
ton
of
money
required
to
get
a
trailer
to
repair
one,
but
to
move
one
or
to
put
it
on
a
permanent
foundation
is
usually
more
than
the
cost
of
that
and
it's
ob.
L
It's
obvious
that
whatever
the
the
technical
definition
that
many
many
people
in
western
north
carolina
are
living
in
mobile
homes
as
their
permanent
housing
stock,
and
we
are
counting
it
for
several
places
for
several
different
grants
and
several
different
counts
and
the
state
needs
to
know
raleigh
needs
to
know
if
the
state
law
is
what's
prohibiting
it,
I'm
not
sure
I
just
john.
I
just
saw
the
response
because
I
didn't
see
it.
I
don't
think
it
was
sent
out
in
the
in
the
data.
So
I'll
take
a
look
at
that.
L
I
do
think
that
is
the.
That
is
a
problem
right,
not
all
states
go
through
the
dmv
and
and
title
the
mobile
home
stock.
That
way.
So
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
I'll
try
to
try
to
take
a
look
at
it.
I
do
know
that
that
funding
is
used
to
repair
mobile
homes
throughout
the
country
in
many
different
places.
So
if
there's
a,
if
there's
something
prohibited,
we
can
find
out
if
it's
state
law
or
if
it's
local
or
county
law,
and
then
we
can
try
to
address
the
problem.
L
That
way,
I
don't
you
know.
I
agree
with
andy's
point.
It's
we've
got
a
limited
pool
of
resources,
but
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
use
what
we've
got
for
people
who
need
it,
and
this
would
make
a
huge
difference.
I
think
for
a
lot
of
people,
so
I'll
I'll.
Take
a
look
at
that
memo,
I'm
just
looking
at
it
right
now
and
I'll.
L
A
Should
we
make
this
an
action
item
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
notes
and
sasha
so
that
we
we
can
follow
up
on
this
and
somebody
to
make
a
motion
that
somehow
we
we
get?
We
continue
this
discussion
and
try
to
get
to
more
defined
actions
for
further
down
the
road.
J
A
A
We
definitely
need
to
continue
this
conversation
and
see
what
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do,
and
I
appreciate
david
and
andy
and
jonathan
and
paul
all
the
help
or
information
you
can
can
gather
to
help
us
get
get
to
where
we
need
to
be
so
maybe
we
could
do
a
benchmark
david.
Do
you
know
reaching
out
to
one
of
the
cities
in
one
of
the
states
that
has
this,
so
we
could
get
some
more
information
from
that.
L
Yeah,
I
mean
I'll,
take
a
look
at
it
like
I'm
just
now
seeing
the
the
research-
and
I
wasn't-
I
didn't
even
know
the
memo
was
being
circulated,
so
you
know
I'll
take
a
look
at
this.
This
will
be
a
priority
for
me,
so
I'll
try
to
get
to
something
next
week
and
just
email.
The
committee.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
that.
So
next
on
our
agenda
is
the
affordable
housing
calculator.
I
know
that
sasha's
has
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
this
trying
to
figure
out
mortgage
rates
and
paul
heathman
has
been
doing
working
with
us
on
this
too,
would
you
like
to
to
talk
about
that
paul
or
sasha?
I
know
you've
been
trying
to
to
get
some
updates.
A
Okay,
christina
and
paul
sorry
on
that.
B
Hey
yeah,
this
is
paul,
hey
christina!
I
see
you
just
popped
up
good
well
I'll
hand
it
off
to
you
pretty
quickly.
We
just
we
had
a
we
met
virtually
or
just
on
the
phone.
I
think
and
discuss
mortgage
rates.
B
Of
course
they
they're,
just
more
volatile
than
they've
ever
been
they've,
actually
slid
back
back
a
little
bit
just
in
the
last
like
maybe
a
week
or
so,
but
still
much
higher,
and
it's
was
totally
necessary
to
update
this
calculator
because
wow,
how
different
are
these
numbers
that
they're
going
to
put
out
with
with
these
new
rates,
so
yeah
christina?
Please.
O
Yeah,
okay
got
you
so
yes
thank
you
paul
and
thank
you
for
the
this
board
for
actually
helping
us
out
a
lot
with
this
affordable
housing
calculator.
So
I've
been
working
with
the
it
department
to
get
this
updated.
I've
been
working
kind
of
specifically
with
paul
heathman,
just
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
correct.
O
You
know
figures
and
everything
that
needs
to
go
into
the
affordable
housing
calculator,
but
we
really
wanted
to
bring
this
back
to
you
all
to
get
your
input
on
it
see
if
there's
anything
that
has
changed
since
we've
updated
it,
and
I
believe
these
figures
are
from
may
2022,
but
yeah
we're
just
bringing
this
to
the
table
to
get
more
discussion
about
it,
see
how
we
can
update
it
so
that
the
community
members
have
the
information-
and
you
know
the
most
recent
information
at
their
disposal.
O
O
So,
based
off
of
the
information
that
we
received
in
may
of
2022
we've
just
gone
ahead
and
updated
it.
Seeing
that
the
june
meeting
had
been
cancelled,
we
just
figured
it
would
be
best
to
get
that
kind
of
done
and
then
present
it
to
you
guys
when
the
time
came.
O
So
I
wouldn't
necessarily
say
that
there's
a
timeline
it's
more
so
following
the
market
and
when
we
see
things
kind
of
you
know
steady
things,
sort
of
getting
more
steady,
then
we
can
go
in
and
kind
of
update
it
as
needed
and
accordingly.
J
B
Yeah,
I
would
say
that
you
know
just
from
the
rate
perspective
like
we,
we
could
probably
stand
to
update
this
really
frequently.
So,
if
christina,
if
you
want
to
just
reconnect
with
me
at
whatever
frequency
is
appropriate,
I
would
say
at
least
monthly.
B
G
B
Increasing
the
frequency
of
updating
those
numbers
is
makes
the
most
sense,
so
we're
bound
to
be
off
by
some
margin,
no
matter
what,
but,
but
let's
try
to
get
close
as
close
as
possible,
if
you're,
if
you're
up
for
that,
I
certainly
am.
K
O
C
Yeah
I
mean
that,
might
there
are
a
lot
of
those
calculators
around
that
might
help
you
determine
the
frequency
of
updates.
If
it's
not,
you
know
seeing
a
lot
of
traffic.
A
All
right,
thank
you
christina.
We
appreciate
your
work
and
paul's
work
on
this.
So
next
on
our
new
business,
we
were
supposed
to
have
a
presentation
today
by
kate
pett
with
thrive.
A
Unfortunately,
kate
is
under
the
weather
and
is
not
able
to
do
her
presentation
today,
but
sasha
is
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
filling
in
for
us
as
we
talk
about
the
thrive,
actual
project
which
kate
received
some
arpa
funding
and
some
direction
on
how
to
use
that
arpa
funding.
She
did
a
presentation
to
the
committee
and
she
was
chosen
and
so
she's
getting
a
little
bit.
A
You
know
up
to
speed
on
her
direction
on
looking
at
things
through
an
equity
lens
housing
through
an
equity
lens
sasha.
Can
you
give
us
a
little
more
detail
on
that.
J
I
will
try
my
best
and
nikki,
also
probably
noses
just
as
much
if
not
more
than
I
do
about
this
thrive
did
receive.
Funding.
Arpa
funding
from
city,
council
and
part
of
their
goal
is
to
help
evaluate
city
tools,
affordable
housing
tools,
bringing
the
community.
It
kind
of
goes
back
to
your
comment
earlier.
Andy
of
bringing
in
community
perspectives
and
equity
council
has
talked
several
times
and
they're
about
making
sure
that
who's
benefiting
from
affordable
housing
units
that
we're
clear
on
that
and
trying
to
measure
that
and
having
some
equitable
outcomes.
J
For
that,
so
I
will
share
my
screen.
I
have
a
slide
that
now
I
will
say
that
this
is
a
draft
slide
and
I
think
kate
is
actually
on
the
meeting,
but
she's
not
feeling
well,
so
I'm
not
going
to
unless
she
wants
to
sign
in.
Can
you
all
see
this.
J
P
Hey
guys,
I'm
sorry,
I
was
just
trying
to
adjust
my
screen,
I'm
really
not
up
for
presenting
and
and
so
I
apologize,
I
yeah
sorry
about
that.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
stay
off
for
today.
Okay,.
J
No
problem
so
nikki
seriously.
I
would
love
any
help
you
have
here.
So
thrive
is
looking
at
equitable
outcomes
for
around
affordable
housing
policies.
Here
you
can
see,
there's
some
a
city
question
and
a
community
question:
how
are
our
policies
and
practices
impacting
equity,
community
building
and
deliver
roi?
You
know
return
on
investment
as
we're
talking
about
the
work
plan
both
for
our
organization
for
your
group
for
hcd
and
in
using
luige
as
an
example.
J
J
Is
there
a
should
there
be
a
cap
on
how
many
luige
grants
are
given
out
each
year
because
we
are
concerned
about
giving
away
future
tax
revenue?
J
Giving
away
is
probably
not
the
right
word,
but
you
know
there's
there's
a
limit
to
that
at
some
point,
but
so
for
each
pieces
of
these
policies,
city
staff,
as
we
were
evaluating
those
we
have
additional
questions
as
well.
J
Looking
at
these
questions-
and
I
would
assume
that
there's
going
to
be
some-
maybe
one
or
two
or
more
of
you
that
may
be
on
that
steering
committee,
or
maybe
somebody
from
your
organization
as
well.
So
ultimately,
there
will
be.
You
know
a
report
back
to
city
council
about
what
the
findings
of
that
group
and
and
some
recommendations,
yeah
and
I
don't
nikki-
is
there
anything
you
would
like
to
add
about
this.
Q
J
Q
Add
that
looking
at
at
thrive's
original
proposal
as
part
of
the
arpa
process
to
council
was
based
on
you
know
two
specific
project
components,
namely
one
of
which
is
to
increase
the
acceptance
of
vouchers
in
our
community.
So,
as
you
all
probably
know,
the
landlord
tenant
partnership
program
that
thrive
has
been
piloting
has
been
extremely
successful,
especially
through
the
equity
lens
with
that
as
well.
So
I
think,
really
being
able
to
uplift.
Q
So
I
think
I
think
what
we're
seeing
here
is
with
kate.
You
know
looking
now
to
further
explore
the
project
development.
That's
kind
of
what
sasha
is
presenting
here
now
that
how
to
basically
define
the
infrastructure
that
the
committee
guidance
as
well
as
the
community
engagement
around
how
to
start
understanding
that
proposal.
So
it
seems
like
what
what
we
can
do
here
today
is
just
to
to
acknowledge
this
great
work.
That's
that's.
Q
Kicking
off
in
our
community
being
led
by
thrive,
acknowledge
that
that
kind
of
alignment
with
what
a
hack
is
also
doing
and
then
hopefully,
we
can
get
kate
back
at
a
future
meeting
to
either
utilize
this
group
for
needed
input
to
provide
updates
as
the
process
unfolds
and
to
continue
the
work
so
and
andy.
It
looks
like
you
have
your
hand
raised
so
I'll.
Let
you
comment.
C
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
mean
to
be-
I
I
must
have
had
too
much
coffee
this
morning
and
I'm
kind
of
monopolizing
the
meeting
even
more
than
usual.
But
I
I
don't
I
with
kate,
not
in
a
position
to
present.
I
don't
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this,
but
I
am
really
curious
as
we're
working
through
what
rachel
shared
with
us
this
morning
about
the
the
linkages
between
council
committees
and
advisory
committees
and
staff.
C
The
I'd
like
to
see
reflected
in
sort
of
that
flow
chart
where
city
funded
third
party
research,
whether
it's
something
like
this
that's
gathering,
community-based
research
or
studies
like
we've
done
with
the
with
the
bowen
group
like
the
when
we
hire
consultants
to
you,
know
feed
information
into
our
decision-making
processes.
Where
does
that
land
in
that
sort
of
flow?
Because,
again,
there's
to
me
there's
a
the
the
handing
off
of
tasks
was
really
clear
in
what
in
what
ms
woods
shared
this
morning.
C
But
the
filtering
up
of
you
know,
priorities
and
issues
and
concerns
and
and
grounding
those
in
data
is
a
little
bit
is
a
little
bit
fuzzier
to
me,
and
this
is
another
one
of
those
places
where
you
know
we've
got
in
it.
We've
got
a
citizen
advisory
body,
and
certainly
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
go
and
do
the
kind
of
answer.
The
kind
of
questions
that
kate's
proposing
to
answer
here.
C
So
we
have
the
city
funding
an
organization
to
answer
to
get
that
citizen
input
as
well.
So
how
do
those
two
things
link
up
so
that
we,
you
know
so
that
so
that
we're
creating
a
streamlined
path
for
community
input
to
go
to
decision
makers.
Q
Great
comment,
andy
and
what
what
I'll
do
is.
This
will
be
on
the
topic
for
discussion
for
that
work
plan
item
so
because
I'm
I'm
working
on
that
actively
on
how
to
how
to
frame
that
for
hcd
later
this
month
that
rachel
had
mentioned.
So
I
will
I'll
I'll
think
I'll
include
this
work
as
how
do
we
connect
all
that.
A
Yeah,
I
think
this
is
very
interesting
for
us
because,
as
we
begin
to
what
we
were
looking
at
is
updating
our
the
affordable
housing
action
plan
and
we
want
to
support
kate
in
everything
that
she's
doing
and
want
to
be
there
for
her.
So
we
you
know
we
want
to
be
able
to
to
understand
what
she
needs
from
us
and
everything,
and
I
also
understand
that
there's
a
missing
middle
study,
that's
being
done
by
the
home
builders,
association
and
and
actually
city
said.
A
Oh
okay,
I
thought
it
was
home
builders
and
development
services,
so
will
that
somehow
be
able
to
be
worked
into
to
these?
The
flowcharts.
J
It's
a
great
question.
I
I
think
andy,
I'm
right
where
you
are
like
how
do
all
these
things
fit
together
and
that's
why
I
wanted
rachel
here
and
that's
why
I
wanted
kate
here
today
to
kind
of
give
you
all
all
the
information-
and
maybe
the
oversight
is
not
having
todd
here-
todd
okla
chaney,
to
talk
about
the
missing
middle
study.
J
I
think
that,
yes,
so
council
appropriated
eighty
five
thousand
dollars
for
a
missing
middle
study,
which
will
be
led
by
planning
and
development
services
together.
I
think-
and
it
definitely
feeds
into
this
and
that's-
and
it
may
be-
I
think
in
our
next
agenda
item
talking
about
this
work
plan
idea
for
you
all
and
how
do
we
slot
all
these
different
things
in
and
how
do
they
dovetail
together?
Q
It
is
very
iterative,
so
this
is
great.
This
is
great
conversation,
and
I
do
think
that
we
will
continue
to
talk
about
this,
so
this
is.
This
is
great.
I
think
we'll
we'll
continue
to
have
this,
so
maybe
even
after
just
some
reflection
after
that
hcd
meeting,
where
we
do
have
all
those
work
plan
items
just
continuing
to
work
on
that,
and
this,
as
we
said
too,
with
that
idea
of
developing
a
work
plan
for
a
hack,
then
fine-tuning
that
as
well,
and
so
I'm
looking
on
the
agenda
did
we
is
it.
I
Q
P
Hey
y'all,
so
this
is
dangerous
talking
with
brain
fog,
but
I
just
can't
resist
just
for
a
second
first
of
all,
thanks
to
everyone
for
for
trying
to
kick
this
off.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
able
to
provide
a
really
informative
presentation
at
this
time.
I
just
want
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
context,
because
I
agree
with
what's
being
lifted
up
here,
which
is
that
since
we
wrote
this
open
proposal
in
november,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
have
changed.
P
So
this
is
an
interesting
moment
to
try
and
thread
together
the
new
efforts
and
find
the
best
alignment
that
will
make
the
best
use
of
everyone's
time
and
really
advance
what
we
all
care
about,
which
is
actually
helping
deliver
great
recommendations
to
council
about
how
to
inform
good
policy
wins
going
forward.
P
So
speaking
to
context
at
the
time
that
we
wrote
this
proposal
in
november,
this
definitely
wasn't
just
a
thrive
idea.
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
great
work
of
greg
borham
and
the
success
equation,
and
also
andy
and
dawana.
Two
members
of
this
group
were
also
a
part
of
the
discussion
around
this
proposal,
and
so
a
discussion
that's
been
happening
in
the
community
for
a
while
around
the
need
to
really
do
an
equity
analysis
of
our
affordable
housing
toolkit
and
then,
of
course,
councilwoman
mosley.
P
Really,
I
think
you
know
elevated
this
issue
city-wide.
So
I
think
there
were
a
lot
of
things
brewing
together.
Last
fall
that
shaped
this
proposal
and
just
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
other
folks
who've
been
really
leading.
This
church
were
acknowledged
in
this
call,
and
I
look
forward
to
figuring
out
how
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
we're
aligning
all
the
good
work
that's
happening
and
providing
the
most
value
add.
So
thanks
so
much
everyone.
A
Okay,
so
we
know
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
I
think
that
date
was
july
19th
that
a
lot
of
this
stuff
is
going
to
hcd
and
antoinette.
I
know
you're
under
the
weather
too,
but
can
you
do
you
have
any
input
on
this
situation.
A
She
may
not
be
able
to
to
answer
so
here.
K
Oh
sorry,
but
as
of
yet
I
don't
have
quite
a
bit
of
input
just
yet.
I
was
also
looking
forward
to
the
june
the
19th
meeting
we
haven't
received
all
of
the
information
for
our
meeting
just
yet.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
will
look
forward
to
learning
more
and
getting
more
information,
because
rachel
is
is
saying
that
our
next
meeting
on
august
4th
will
be
a
big
meeting.
Lots
lots
of
stuff
going
to
be
going
on
in
that
meeting.
So
we
hope
that
we'll
we'll
be
prepared
for
that.
A
J
A
Yeah,
well,
I
we
are
planning
to
do
a
work,
but
I
think
it
all
kind
of
mixes.
Together
I
mean
we're
working
on
updating
the
2008
work
plan,
we've
sectioned
off
different
things,
but
now
we're
learning
about
all
these
other
things.
So
I
don't
know
how
much
defined
how
how
really
defined
we
should
get
that
before
we
learn
more
about
what
all
these
other
parts
and
pieces
are.
I
don't
know.
J
Okay,
well,
could
I
ask
you
all
for
your
input:
do
you
would
it
be
appropriate,
or
would
you
be
interested
in
having
a
retreat
at
some
point,
maybe
september?
Maybe
we
get
past
summer
vacation
time,
maybe
september,
when
we
could
spend
a
few
hours
together
in
a
room,
possibly
in
person,
maybe
with
masks
off.
J
You
know,
wouldn't
be
on
city
property,
but
we
we
have
some
leads
on
some
spaces
that
we
could
actually
kind
of
maybe
map
out
all
these
things
and
how
they
fit
together,
and
I
guess
that
would
partly
be
dependent
on
if
that
timeline
worked
for
thrive,
but
I
think
by
then
we
might
have
the
hcd
work
plan
in
place.
We
might
be
in
a
better
position.
A
I
think
that's
an
excellent
idea
and
we
have
talked
about
having
a
work
session
outside
to
to
try
to
take
what
we've
done
and
put
it
in
place
with
everything
that
everybody
else
is
doing
and
see
where
it
all
fits
together.
So
andy
you,
you-
and
I
have
talked
about
that
some
too
so,
along
with
barry,
so
I
think
that's
a
definite
possib.
You
know
possibility
if
we
can
get
the
right
date
since
say
mid
to
late
september,
or
something
like
that.
J
Yeah,
okay
yeah,
so
we
can
move
on
to
the
update.
As
you
are
trying
to
do
margie,
I
will.
I
will
share
my
screen
again.
Let's
see
and.
J
So-
and
I
put
this
together
as
a
slideshow-
we're
just
trying
different
things
I
thought
about
do.
Is
this
just
a
verbal
update?
Is
it
a
written
update,
and
so
I
just
decided,
I
wanted
to
show
you
some
slides
about
the
luige
coming
up
to
city
council,
so
I
thought
it
was
just
almost
easier
just
to
throw
this
all
into
a
slideshow,
so
I'm
going
to
hand
it
off
to
nikki
for
this
slide.
Q
One
of
the
the
things
that
I
took
on
was
really
to
look
at
at
how
our
department
was
organized
and
look
to
ensure
that
the
organization
of
our
department
reflected
the
strategic
priorities
for
city
council,
as
well
as
the
vision
and
the
focus
areas
that
we
want
to
pursue
and
so
really
being
able
to
structure
our
department
to
be
a
reflection
of
that
is,
is
the
direction
that
we're
moving
in
you
know
versus
in
the
past
we
were,
we
were
community
development,
economic
development,
but
really
what
we
have
done
is
now
create
these
four
focus
areas
that
you're
seeing
here,
and
I
will,
of
course
appreciate
the
a
hack
committee
here
with
with
their
influence
in
in
helping
us
to
really
define
the
affordable
housing
division
and
and
those
early
conversations
that
we
had
about
creating
the
officer
position.
Q
So
this
was
our
official
announcement
of
sasha
being
named
as
our
affordable
housing
officer.
So
let
me
just
kind
of
walk
you
through
how
we're
looking
at
our
structure
now
so
we'll
start
with
community
development.
Q
So
jonathan
jones
is
our
community
development
division
manager
and
he
manages
his
team
and
really
what
they
are
going
to
focus
on
from
here
on
out
are
our
federal,
funded
programs,
so
you're
kind
of
hearing
that,
with
today's
conversation,
how
jonathan
is
going
to
be
laser
focused
on
on
the
the
hud
framework,
the
communications
with
the
the
federal
office
and
the
administration
of
the
home
program,
the
cdbg
program,
the
monitoring
of
those
programs
consolidated
plan.
Q
All
that
work
will
then
live
within
the
community
development
division,
and
so
their
division's
primary
responsibility
in
terms
of
committees
is
what
you
see
there
in
italics.
So
so
his
group
will
be
the
main
staff
liaison
to
our
home
consortium,
which
is
the
four
county
body
that
serves
to
oversee
investments
in
the
home
program.
Q
So
then,
looking
at
affordable,
housing
and
I'll
say,
let
me
back
up
just
for
a
second.
So
there
we
do
have
some
vacancies
in
that
group.
You
all
may
be
aware
of
nancy
williams.
Q
She
has
now
taken
a
position
with
buncombe
county,
so
buncombe
county
is
really
growing
their
affordable
housing
group,
and
so
we
hate
to
see
that
nancy
jumped
ship
to
join
the
county.
But
at
the
same
time
I
think
we
are
well
positioned
to
have
you
know
continuous
partnership
with
the
county.
Now
more
than
ever.
So
we
see
it
as
a
loss
for
us
a
gain
for
buncombe
county,
but
we're
glad
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
keep
in
contact
with
nancy
as
she
really
helps
grow,
buncombe
county's,
affordable
housing
approach.
Q
We
also
had
a
staff
member
mary,
brooke
cox.
She
has
now
taken
a
position
with
cloudburst,
so
a
national
consulting
firm
that
works
on
cdbg
and
home.
So
again,
we
still
may
be
in
contact
with
her
in
in
the
future,
but
we
have
a
couple
of
vacancies
that
we're
now
looking
to
fill
and
so
with
that
we're
really
focusing
on
looking
at
the
division
and
making
sure
that
those
are
right,
size
roles
and
working
towards
that
next.
Q
So
that's
really
the
the
community
development
division
and
how
we've
shaped
that
and
how
we've
kind
of
restructured
that
division
to
meet
the
needs
there.
Creating
the
affordable
housing
group
then
allowed
us
to
focus
on
city
tools.
So
again
that
conversation
earlier
is
really
how.
Now
we
want
to
think
about
utilizing
our
tools
and
our
resources
that
we
have
on
addressing
the
myriad
of
issues
that
we
face
with
affordable
housing
right.
Q
Now
her
primary
responsibility
will
be
ahack
so
again
trying
to
think
about
how
does
ahac
influence
local
policy
just
looking
at.
Of
course,
we
may
have
pulled
jonathan
in
on
some
of
these
federal
discussions
as
it
as
the
work
plan
dictates
right,
but
still
having
sasha
be
the
primary
staff
liaison
to
ahak
really
focusing
in
on
the
local
nature
and
the
local
control
that
we
have
over
these
tools
and
how
we,
how
we
use
this
committee
to
provide
specific
input
on
on
those
those
those
tools.
Q
Now
our
our
houseless
strategy
division
is
a
newly
created
division.
So
in
previous
times
last
year
you
know
the
the
homelessness
group
was
housed
under
community
development,
so
we're
really
trying
to
give
it
its
own
focus
this
year
again
to
reflect
council's
strategic
priority
of
houseless
strategy
being
something
that
that
council
has
named
as
one
of
the
strategic
priorities
so
putting
continuity
of
care
hmis
permanent,
supportive
housing.
All
of
that
now
is
is
going
to
be
the
sole
focus
of
the
houseless
strategy.
Q
Division
very
excited
that
emily
ball
has
accepted
the
position
as
the
division
manager
for
the
houseless
strategy
group.
This
past
budget
cycle.
We
also
were
approved
for
an
additional
position
to
support
that
division,
as
well
as
a
grant
from
the
dogwood
health
trust
to
help
support
the
opioid
settlement,
funding
that
the
city
will
be
managing
and
so
actually
allowing
another
staff
member
to
be
hired
into
that
division.
Q
To
support
that
work
as
well.
So
we'll
see
that
division
round
out
with
the
division
manager,
emily
will
backfill
her
old
position
and
then
have
two
more
positions
to
really
support
that
work.
So
really
hoping
to
start
off
this
new
fiscal
year.
With
some
robust
support
around
our
household
strategy
initiatives,
then
the
and
there
you
see
too,
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee
is
another
citizen
committee
that
that
group
will
support
with
emily
being
the
primary
staff
liaison
to
hayek.
Q
So
then,
the
last
piece
here
is
our
equitable
economic
development
group
that
includes
the
real
estate
division,
our
city
of
asheville,
youth
leadership,
academy,
kayla.
Q
It's
also
our
business
inclusion
they're,
going
to
be
doing
some
great
work
with
the
disparity
study
kicking
off
this
year,
as
well
as
our
economic
development
specialist,
who
manages
our
incentives
program
and
then
also
we've
moved
strategic
partnership
funds
from
underneath
the
community
development
group
to
be
now
managed
in
the
economic
development
group.
With
that.
This
group
also
manages
the
mountain
community
capital
fund,
which
has
now
seen
some
additional
investments
through
our
arpa
program
and
investing
in
in
that
funding
program.
Q
It's
a
very
exciting
program
to
support
local
small
business
and
businesses
of
color
women-owned
businesses
as
well,
so
really
excited
to
see
the
growth
potential
there
with
the
mountain
community
capital
fund,
and
that
is
our
our
primary
responsibility
of
of
in
terms
of
committees
for
that
group.
So
just
kind
of
sharing
out
some
some
broad
structure
of
again.
Q
You
know
that
was
a
lot
to
really
take
on
as
as
a
new
director,
but
I'm
excited
about
the
future
of
our
of
our
team
and
I'm
excited
to
really
have
have
this
group.
You
know
reflect
the
the
the
strategic
priorities
that
council
has.
So
that's
all
for
now,
but
just
wanted
to
share
that
updating
and
give
you
all
some
specific
insight
into
how
we
are
structuring
the
department
from
here
on
out.
J
Thanks
yeah-
and
I
guess
all
I
would
say
about,
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
we
are
really
excited
about
the
affordable
housing
specialists
that
will
be
joining
me
on
this
team
and
we're
really
hoping
to
get
our
arms
firmly
around
the
housing,
trust
fund
and
monitoring
units
and
really
kind
of
going
to
the
next
level
of
how
we're
tracking
all
these
things
yeah
and
I
have
a
lot
to
learn.
J
I
know
a
lot
about
a
lot
of
things,
but
there's
certain
pieces,
I
don't
know-
and
I
fully
acknowledge
that
and
will
be.
I
don't
know
if
I
can
say
I'm
new
for
a
year
rachel,
but
I
have
I'm
gonna
try
to
be
a
sponge
on
you
know.
Some
of
the
housing
finance
part
is
where
I
need
to
phone
up
on
my
knowledge.
Q
And
one
last
thing,
since
you
mentioned
rachel's
name,
I
do
want
to
be
clear
too
that
so
our
department
will
be
reporting
to
rachel
wood
in
the
reporting
structure
with
our
assistant
city
manager
structure.
So
we're
happy
to
have
her
also
today
to
kind
of
represent
the
full.
The
full
team.
A
So
nikki,
who
is
running
the
equitable,
the
ed
ed
that
last
committee
who's
in
charge
of
that.
Q
So
effectively
for
right
now,
it's
me
we.
We
don't
have
headcount
to
really
support
an
additional
division
manager
right
now,
so
so
that
group,
for
the
time
being,
is,
is
reporting
to
me
so
it's
but
but
we
do
hope
in
the
future
to
really
have
a
division
head
named
for
that
group.
Okay,.
J
Okay,
thanks
I'm
going
to
all
right,
so
the
next
thing
is,
I
did
want
to
give
you
all
an
update
on
the
luige
land
juice
and
sound
grant
going
to
city
council.
J
I
know
that
I
think
in
the
past,
paul
d'angelo
would
give
you
all
updates
and
what
I've
discussed
with
margie
and
in
an
email
to
barry
is
that
I'm
happy
to
bring
these
to
you
all.
So
this
is
coming
to
you
after
hcd
and
finance,
and
really
you
don't
need
to
vote
on
it.
It's
not
entirely
the
right
thing
to
vote
on
it.
J
But
if
you
have
comments
for
counsel-
and
you
want
things
you
want
them
to
consider
or
recommendations,
I
will
take
note
of
those
and
include
them
in
my
staff
report
when
I,
when
I
take
it
to
city
council,
so
I
I
included
all
these
slides
so
I'll
try
to
be
fairly
quick.
J
Basically,
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
on
on
longshore
road.
It's
just
north
of
lake
julian.
It
was
at
planning
and
zoning
last
night
and
got
approved
they're
committing
20
of
their
units.
So
I
think
there's
a
hundred
and
e.
I
can't
remember
186
units
so
37
units
to
be
affordable
at
80
percent
and
they're
also-
and
I
will
put
this
into
your
folder.
J
So
if
you
want
to
look
at
this
after
today
or
after
to
this
meeting,
you
can
do
that
they're
also
committing
to
housing,
someone
from
the
homeless
by
name
list
panels,
universal
design
and
rental
assistance,
and
so
through
that
point
count
they
qualify
for
17
years
of
taxes
repaid
back
to
them.
J
It's.
It
is
a
residential
project.
It's
five,
five
acres
and
their
mix
that
they
are
proposing
is
eighteen,
one
bedroom
units
and
nineteen
studio
units.
I
have
had
this.
I
have
sent
them
an
email,
you
know
asking
if
they
would
consider,
including
some
two-bedroom
units
or
three-bedroom
units
finance
committee,
also
made
that
same
request
last
week.
They
are
considering
that
and
trying
to
answer
that
question
to
see
if
they
could
change
that
mix.
J
So
here's
the
location,
it's
very
close
to
you
know-
and
this
is
partly
why
those
two
bedroom
units
or
three
bedroom
units
are
important.
You
know
it's
very
close
to
tc
robertson
and
the
middle
school
elementary
school.
It's
right
there.
J
It's
it's
and
it's
very
close
to
ingles
as
well,
just
here
off
to
the
west,
here's
some
elevations
for
you
all
and
here's
a
point
summary
I've
kind
of
already
hit
most
of
these
highlights
and
as
I've
been
going
doing,
taking
these
through
to
city
council,
I'm
learning
this
policy,
and
so
it's
it's
brought
up
a
lot
of
questions
for
me
in
terms
of
when
we
revise
this
policy,
should
we
be
changing
some
of
these
things
like?
J
Should
we
be
requiring
two
bedroom
units
or
changing
that
mix
or
somehow
you
know
with
the
points
in
scenting
different
things,
so
it
is
in
a
non-qualified
census
tract,
so
you
get
10
points
there
and
just
for
a
reminder
of
anybody,
or
just
if
you
don't
know
this
for
every
five
points
it
equals
one
year
of
your
property
taxes
paid
back.
J
So
how
that
works
is
like.
If
you,
if
you
were
the
apartment
owner,
let's
say:
apartment,
complex
owner,
you
pay
your
taxes
and
then
you
submit
that
to
the
city
and
we
pay
you
back.
We
can't
it's
not
an
automatic
thing
that
you
don't
pay
your
taxes
so,
and
it
is
just
the
city
portion
of
your
taxes.
We
don't
have
the
funds
to
pay
county
taxes.
J
This
was
just
a
reminder
to
council
and
the
public
that
this
is
part
of
the
city's
effort
to
make
sure
that
there's
more
units
accepting
vouchers
and
that
really
helps
you
know,
help
somebody
looking
for
a
unit,
but
then
whoever
comes
behind
them
and
can
move
into
public
housing,
because
public
housing
also
has
waiting
lists.
That's
also
a
help.
J
And
so
just
the
specifics
about
this
project
currently
they're
paying
about
thirteen
thousand
dollars
every
year
in
taxes
on
the
vacant
land
that
will
continue
throughout
the
grant
program,
so
they
they
don't
get
any
refund
of
the
current
tax
value,
they're,
estimating
a
26
million
dollar
post
completion
tax
value,
so
the
city
taxes
on
that
would
be
about
a
hundred
and
four
thousand.
J
So
that's
lower
than
our
you
know,
overall
threshold
of
eighty
thousand
and
then
after
the
the
grant
period
is
over,
the
city
will
start
to
receive
those
monies.
And,
of
course
this
is
all
predicated
on
the
current
tax
rate.
Tax
rates
could
change.
J
You
know,
value
of
the
property
could
go
up,
but
the
tax
rate
may
go
down.
You
know
so,
but
we
lock
it
in
with
the
agreement
at
the
beginning
of
the
the
period
actually.
So
I
take
back
what
I
said
so
we.
N
J
J
And
so
yeah
hcd
approved
this
finance
asked
them
to
include
some
two-bedroom
or
three-bedroom
units,
but
they
did
approve
it,
and
so
would
welcome
any
comments
or
discussion
that
you
have
any
feedback,
and
you
know
if
you
don't
have
any
right
now
but
want
to
email
me
some
thoughts,
I'm
happy
to
take
those
as
well.
C
Sorry,
this
is
really
again
less
about
this
particular
project
than
kind
of
the
process
work
that
we've
been
discussing
off
and
on
through
this
meeting.
So
one
of
the
you
know,
one
of
the
goals
or
functions
of
a
hack
in
our
charter
is
to
advise
the
city,
leadership
and
staff
regarding
affordable
housing,
priorities
for
the
investment
of
city,
controlled
funds,
and
so
I
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
in
the
right
sync
like
this
is
coming
to
us
for
comment.
C
After
it's
already
been
approved
and
after
it's
already
been
teed
up
for
a
vote
by
or
approved
hcd
and
finance,
and
before
it
gets,
you
know,
teed
up
for
council
it.
It's
surprising
to
me
that
it
was,
you
know,
actually
the
finance
review
that
brought
up
the
unit
mix
rather
than
hcd.
C
When
that's
something
that
this
committee's
been
adamant
over.
You
know
the
entire
time
that
I've
been
on
the
committee
to
bring
up
with
every
single
project
like
you
would
think
that
was
a
priority
that
was
starting
to
cut
through
from
this
group
to
hcd,
so
either
these
things
need
to
be
coming
to
us
so
that
we
can
put
that
input
in
before
they
get
a
recommendation
out
of
hcd.
Or
you
know
we
should
be
encapsulating
a
set
of
priorities
like
unit
mix.
C
You
know
so
that
hcd
is
is
using
that
as
their
scorecard
in
making
a
recommendation.
So
again,
I
don't
really
want
to
say
anything
particular
to
this
project,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
as
we're
going
back
to
look
at
the
luigi
process
to
get
two
of
our
big
priorities.
C
One
is
this
the
sequence
of
when
we
give
input
as
the
as
the
citizen
input,
body
and
and
and
two
the
revisions
that
we've
talked
about
for
you
know
over
a
year
now
about
making
sure
that
luigi
is
a
functional
policy
for
small-scale
development
as
well
as
well
as
large-scale
development.
J
Right
and
before
anybody
just
really
quick-
I,
I
think
yeah
so
your
june,
cancelling
the
june
meeting
kind
of
kind
of
messed,
the
order
up
here
a
little
bit
because
that
would
have
been
when
I
could
have
presented
this.
I
don't
know
if
I
was
prepared
yet
at
that
point,
but
but
yes,
I
think,
generally
speaking
to
the
order,
it's
actually
ordered
correctly,
like
ahax
the
first
week
of
the
month.
Hcd
is
the
third
week
and
then
council,
so
our
finances
fourth
week.
I
D
Yeah,
I
did
have
a
comment
on
the
project
itself.
My
understanding
I
think
on
here
is
that
the
units
that
are
being
designated
affordable
are
inferior
to
the
rest
of
the
units
in
the
complex
in
terms
of
the
size
of
the
units
and
I'm
just
not
sure,
that's
the
direction
that
we
want
to
move
in
for
affordable
housing
units.
Where
there's
you
know
a
two-tier
standard
for
living
within
a
complex.
D
So
I
personally
don't
think
that's
was
the
intent
when
we
were
looking
to
do
these
grants
and
I'm
not
sure
how
much
the
unit,
not
just
the
mix
of
units
but
the
sizes
of
the
units,
and
I'm
not
even
sure
that
we've
got
guarantees
on
the
fittings
in
those
units
will
be
to
the
same
standard
as
the
rest
of
the
units.
A
Brian,
when
you
say
the
fittings,
are
you
talking
about
the
like
counters
cabinets?
What
what.
D
D
D
D
I
D
D
J
I
think
those
are
all
great
points
I
think
just
so
you
all
know
there.
The
studio
units
in
this
complex
are
all
the
affordable
ones.
That's
the
same
yeah
and
there's
a
total
of
86
one-bedroom
units.
So
there
are
a
number
of
other
one-bedroom
units
that
are
not
affordable.
D
Yeah
but
the
question
is:
are
they
all
the
same
one-bedroom
units
right
because
you
could?
I
can
make
just
18
units
and
they're
smaller,
so
they're,
not
the
same
rental
equivalencies
as
the
other
one-bedroom
unit.
So
that's
what.
D
B
That
was
me.
I
was
just
gonna
speak
to
that,
adding
that
language
and
sasha
mentioned
it
just
you
know
whatever
that
looks
like,
but
we've
made
a
lot
of
good
points
here.
Brian
thank
you.
You
know
for
bringing
this
up.
I
think
on
one
hand
we
can.
We
can
see
that
that
could
create
like
a
class
system
within
a
neighborhood,
and
that
could
be
a
really
an
ugly
outcome.
You
know
also
we
want
to
help
developers
arrive
at
you
know.
B
Some
of
you
know
a
more
affordable
unit,
so
you
know
I
don't
know
what
that
mean
in
the
middle
is,
but
definitely
don't
want
to
see
an
entire
building
or
you
know,
maybe
the
language
says
something
about
how
the
units
must
be
spread.
You
know
equally
out
through
the
complex
or
certainly
with
regard
to
materials
and
fixtures
should
be
comparable,
but
anyway,
thanks
for
bringing
that
up.
Brian,
that's
great.
H
Emily
yeah,
I
was
curious
about
the
the
list
of
points
and
where
that
came
from
and
the
last
time
that
that's
been
updated,
we
worked
on
a
project
recently
that
required
the
universal
design.
H
H
J
And
yeah
so
they're
on
the
website.
It
was
last
updated
last
summer
and
I
looked
back
at
the
2020
policy
and
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
really
do
a
deep
dive.
It
didn't
look.
I
don't
know
that
there
were
huge
changes,
but
I
know
that
one
change
that
has
happened
recently
is
there
was
a
change
to
try
to
incent
folks
who
had
existing
housing
already.
J
If
you
wanted
to
turn
some
of
your
existing
rental
units
into
affordable,
that's
that
got
added
and
also
rehabbing
units,
but
thank
you
nikki
for
putting
the
link
in
there,
but
that
that's
exactly
why
we
want
to
look
emily
because
the
points
really
drive
what
we
get
for
sure
and
then
not
only
just
the
points
but
then
the
second,
the
next
page
after
the
points
you'll
see
all
the
requirements
for
the
points.
J
So,
for
example,
I
noticed
like
solar
panels
is
one
of
the
items,
but
it
doesn't
actually
policy
doesn't
actually
say
how
many
solar
panels
or
how
big
the
system
size
is
like.
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
guidance
there.
I
A
Well,
good,
if
we
don't
have
any
more
comments
on
this
sasha,
can
we
move
to
our
next
item
there
on
on
your
list.
J
Thank
you
for
those
comments.
I
will
include
them
in
the
staff
report,
so
the
affordable
housing
bond
just
wanted
to
give
you
all
a
quick
update
on
this.
J
We,
you
know
we
gave
you
a
presentation
a
couple
months
ago
about
how
the
money
been
spent
and
that
there
was
about
7.4
million
left
to
allocate
in
may
city
council
allocated
1.465
of
that
to
the
deep
review
apartments
project
with
the
housing
authority,
a
tax
credit
project
and
so
staff
we're
working
on
an
allocation
proposal
for
the
remaining
funds-
and
you
know
I
haven't
discussed
this
with
nikki,
but
we
could
bring
it
to
you
all
as
well.
J
I
think
basically,
here's
the
big
picture
is
is
that
we
have
to
issue
the
bonds
by
next
november.
23,
it
doesn't
mean
you've
spent
all
that
money,
so
we're
looking
at
next
spring,
starting
that
process
with
the
with
our
bond
council
and
getting
that
moving.
J
J
How
to
spend
that
and
then
we
could
spend
some
time
with
the
community
and
you
all
to
talk
about
if
there
are
specific
priorities
for
that
money,
but
that's
in
a
little
bit
easier
way
than
having
to
decide
each
project
right
away.
It's
an
easier
way
for
us
to
get
that
money,
pull
it
down
and
then
and
talk
about
how
to
allocate
it
have.
J
J
We
are
been
working
with
laurel
street
residential
on
an
agreement
to
bring
forward
to
city
council,
we're
currently
planning
to
go
to
hcd
on
july
19th
and
city
council
july
26th,
but
this
could
possibly
be
pushed
back.
We're
cutting
it
very
close
here
and
we
don't
have
the
final
agreement
that
we
could
share
with
you
today.
J
But
we
are
following
our
city's
disposition
policy
for
city-owned
property
and,
just
as
a
for
you
all
to
remember
a
reminder
that
means
our
policy
says:
20
of
the
units
have
to
be
at
60
percent
amir
below
for
at
least
20
years
with
a
mix
of
incomes,
and
I
believe
all
of
those
units
have
to
accept
vouchers
as
well.
J
Currently
we're
looking
at
a
total
of
200
units
for
that
site.
They'd
be
rental
units,
small
amount
of
commercial
space
and
surface
parking.
So
it's
it's.
It
is
different
than
where
we
were
a
few
years
ago.
The
change
in
the
market
and
finance
labor
costs
material
cost
has
is
definitely
impacting
this
project
as
well
as
other
projects.
So
that's
about
where
we're
at
nikki.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that.
Q
I
just
as
a
reminder,
too,
you
know
that
when
we
looked
at
the
city's
disposition
policy,
that
was
also
a
result
of
one
of
city
council's
work
sessions
and
looking
at
how
the
land
could
serve
as
a
subsidy
to
to
achieve
that
affordability.
So
recognizing
that
how
the
numbers
function
in
in
utilizing
land
as
a
subsidy
meant
that
this
was
our
our
proposed
yield
for
that.
So
just
keeping
that
in
mind
is
that
we
are
also
talking
about
the
land
as
a
subsidy
to
accomplish
that
affordable
affordability.
A
My
comment
would
be
that
it
doesn't
feel
like
you're
getting
the
density,
that
you
could
and
I
do
understand
the
cost
of
construction,
and
I
mean
I
would
just
say
that
perhaps
I
mean
maple
crest
is
212
units,
and
so
I
think
they're,
I'm
very
surprised.
The
number
of
units
is
so
low.
A
I
I
would
think
that
you
that
it
could
be.
I
mean
in
previous
presentations
done
by
outside
people.
If
you
remember
the
people
from
atlanta,
they
were
looking
at
well
over
the
architectural
firm,
300
400.
I
mean
there
was
a
lot
of
opportunity
there
and
it
seems
like
200
units
is
really
not
hitting
the
density
that
could
be
provided.
A
C
If
this
goes
to
hcd
on
the
19th,
it's
not
going
to
come
back
to
us
or
it's
not
going
to
have
a
chance
to
come
to
us
before
for
a
recommendation.
I
hear
margie
asking
a
pretty
important
question
about
density.
I'm
also
thinking
that
319
was
that
was
land
purchased
with
bond
dollars.
Is
that
right?
C
So
this
density
is
really
also
going
to
drive
the
unit
count
that
you
that's
attributable
to
bond,
which
you
know
is
another
consideration
to
the
unit
count
question
I
think
we've
got
the
unit
mix
question
that
we've
that
we've
raised
on
other
projects,
that
we
don't
have
any
description
up
here.
So
you
know
this
is
just.
I
I'd
like
to
have
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
this
project
so
that
we
could
weigh
in,
and
you
know
I
I
think
we
as
a
committee.
C
We
really
need
a
chance
to
discuss
the
you
know
this
trade-off
on
density
versus
versus.
You
know
what
the
city's
investment
is
going
to
be
and
whatever
cost
savings,
we're
going
to
realize
by
doing
something
by
doing
a
less
dense
project
and-
and
you
know,
be
able
to
have
some
input.
I
D
K
J
I
think
one
of
the
drivers
here
is
parking
frankly,
because
this
is
surface
parked
and
I
think
once
you
because
I
think
a
lot
of
what
we
were
looking
at
initially
were
higher
unit
counts,
but
structured
parking,
yeah
and
so
the
structured
parking
just
I
think
it
just
throws
the
costs
totally.
You
know
the
math
changes
completely
so
well.
C
That's
a
perfect
example
of
where
this
committee
really
has
the
opportunity
to
give
some
guidance
right.
I
mean,
I
think
we
make
a
lot
of
assumptions
when
we're
thinking
about
affordable
housing.
That
parking
is
something
that
we
can
make
a
concession
on,
and
the
reality
is
that
you
know
low-wage.
Workers
in
our
community
are
largely
not
getting
around
on
transit,
they're,
driving
and
often
multiple
vehicles
for
multiple
workers
in
a
single
unit,
in
order
for
them
to
have
the
income
to
afford
the
cost
of
housing
even
affordable
housing.
C
A
Right
and
you
can
see
maple
crest,
the
people
are
parked
everywhere
up
and
down
the
streets,
and-
and
I
mean
across
the
street
and
all
kinds
of
places
to
because
there's
so
many
cars,
but
it
is
expensive,
I
mean
podium.
Parking
is
not
cheap,
it's
you
know
anywhere
from
twenty
five
to
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
space,
but
on
the
other
side
of
that
you
can
get
a
lot
more
units,
which
is
the
goal.
F
I
was
just
gonna
add
I
don't
know
all
the
the
factors
associated
with
the
the
current
density.
I
I
have
been
working
with
laurel
street
on
this
a
little
bit,
but
just
knowing
the
property
and
structured
parking
was
what
I
was
going
to
bring
up
was
one
of
the
factors
that,
along
with
while
it's
a
nice
large
piece
of
property,
the
way
the
road
systems
laid
out
and
tying
to
biltmore
avenue
at
the
intersection,
it
basically
bisects
that
property,
and
so
it
doesn't
it.
F
It
doesn't
fit
nicely
for
parking
structures
either
with
with
either
side.
So
it's
got
some
just
like
all
of
our
sites
in
in
western
north
carolina,
it's
got
site
challenges,
but
at
the
same
time,
depending
on
where
we
want
to
put
priorities
on
funding
and
and
how
parking
or
structured
parking
might
be
incorporated,
that
it
is
a
parking
thing.
That's
that's
one
of
the
significant
factors
driving
what.
I
J
Okay,
well,
if
we
you
know,
if
we,
if
this
ends
up
getting
pushed
back,
we
can.
We
can
come
back
to
this
next
month.
I'm
gonna
since
we're
getting
low
on
time.
I'm
going
to
keep
going.
We
did
publish
the
new
22
2022
data
last
week
or
yeah
july
1..
J
I
haven't
done
a
big,
deep
dive
on
this,
but
I
did
look
and
just
did
a
comparison
from
21
and
the
you
know.
These
incomes
and
rents
are
generally
about
a
seven
percent
increase
over
the
2021
numbers.
J
So
so
that
is
our
website
and
then
just
yeah.
If
there
are
any
other
questions
or
comments,
and
then
I'm
done-
and
I
know
we
have
a
few
other
items
so
right.
A
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
the
the
they
have
divided
itself
up
into
two
different
committees:
work
groups
to
talk
about
how
to
further
small
developers
doing
smaller
number
of
units
and
what
are
some
of
the
things
we
could
do
to
help
them
and
we
divided
up
into
a
bill
task
force
and
a
connect
task
force.
Andy
handed
up
the
connect
task
force
and
myself
and
barry
and
scott
were
on
the
bill
task
force.
Scott.
E
Sure
so
we
started
meeting
just
last
summer
in
july,
and
we've
met
with
kind
of
a
cross
spectrum
of
stakeholders.
E
E
Last
year
there
was
a
state
senate
bill
proposed
senate
bill,
349,
increased
housing
opportunities,
and
it
basically
was
trying
to
look
at
how
to
align
building
code
with
numbers
of
units.
Essentially,
if
you're
building
you
know
three
or
more
units,
that's
kicking
you
into
commercial
code
versus
residential
code,
and
the
proposal
was
to
allow
up
to
four
units
under
residential
code.
E
Currently,
fire
access
roads
are
prohibited
from
being
over
15
percent
grade,
obviously
being
here
in
asheville
and
western
north
carolina.
That's
a
challenge
and
a
lot
of
existing
streets
are
steeper
than
that.
So,
in
a
nutshell,
we're
trying
to
discern
what
our
local
zoning
and
development
rules
that
could
possibly
be
changed
in
tandem,
where
they're
applicable
with
state
code
rules,
either
fire
or
building
code,
so
prepared
a
document
of
our
notes
to
date
and
that's
really
in
sort
of
a
draft
form.
E
I
shared
that
with
the
build
subgroup,
I'd
be
glad
to
share
that
with
the
larger
committee
as
well,
but
I
think,
lastly,
some
of
these
findings,
I
think,
could
really
dovetail
with
the
planning
planning
department's
initial
start
into
the
missing
middle
housing
study.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
just
the
site-driven
constraints
are
a
factor
in
that
as
well
and
chris.
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
speak
anymore,
to
what
we've
done,
but
that's
kind
of
my
quick
summary
of
work
today.
C
Yeah
I'll
keep
this
I'll
keep
this
short.
We
met
on
the
17th
really
digging
into
the
ahax
the
2008
comprehensive
housing
plan
that
a
hack
is
operating
under,
particularly
a
couple
of
the
recommendations
that
seem
to
focus
around
how
people
connected
with
existing
housing
units
and
resources.
C
C
We
can
help
link
up
some
of
the
work,
that's
happening
with
success
occasion,
housing
team,
the
thrive
project,
the
some
work,
that's
going
on
with
the
atlantic
sky,
regional
council,
or
not
regional
council,
landscape,
realtors
association
and
we're
there
we'll
be
meeting
with
them
and
as
our
next
meeting
kind
of
linking
together
some
of
these
different
things
that
we've
talked
about
this
morning,
and
I
will
we
did
have
a.
C
We
did-
have
a
discussion
about
the
open
seat
on
a
hack
and
know
that
this
seat
had
been
identified.
As
a
for
someone
representing
the
housing
authority,
and
we
had
a
question
about
whether
that
needed
to
be
a
housing
authority,
a
staff
member
or
could
we
reach
out
through
the
housing
authority's
residence
council
to
fill
that
seat
as
well
again
trying
to
broaden
the
the
perspective
of
voices
that
are
represented
on
this
committee?.
A
Yes,
I
was
going
to
say
that
brings
us
to
the
fact
that
we've
got
any
number
of
open
seats
coming
up
and
got
the
information
from
sasha
that
boards
and
commission
is
releasing
today
the
open
seats
and
that
applications
are
due
august
1st.
So
we
have
myself
andy
paul
and
joe
and
babis
phillip
they're.
A
All
our
terms
are
up
on
september
1.,
most
of
us,
except
for
joe,
can
reapply
for
our
second
term,
but
it's
open
to
the
public
to
get
your
applications
in,
so
that
is
on
boards
and
commissions.
So
we
encourage
all
those
out
in
the
public
that
are
listening
to
this
today
to
to
think
about
that.
A
A
That
event
is
going
to
happen
on
september
10th,
which
is
a
saturday,
and
I
don't
have
the
address
yet
exactly
of
where
that's
going
to
be
held.
But
by
our
next
meeting
we
will
have
that
information.
A
So
that
is
that's
a
a
joint
venture
with
them
that,
on
the
housing,
fair
there'll
be
several
of
us
on
a
committee
that
matt
allen
is
is
putting
together
and
then
we
have
one
other
thing
on
infill
development,
home
ownership,
banker,
forum
and
sasha.
If
you
want
to
quickly.
A
Okay
sounds
good,
laura
or
because
do
we
have
anybody
on
because
we're
last
night
we
did
not
have
any
comments
or
anybody
on
call.
But
can
you
look
for
us
again
to
see
if
there's
anybody
online
for
comment,
public
comment.
J
And
emily,
I
think
she
left
the.
Let
me
go,
let
me
I'll
go.
Look
real,
quick
and
while
I
do
that,
emily
asked
a
question
about
the
timing
of
the
build
and
connect
task
forces.
A
Oh
okay,
I
didn't
see
that
okay,
we
meet
the
build
task.
Force
meets
once
a
month
and
typically
from
one
to
three
on,
like
the
second
tuesday
of
the
month
and
connect,
I'm
not
sure
when
you
meet.
I
C
Give
me
a
second:
we
typically
meet
friday
at
noon
once
a
month,
usually
either
the
second
or
third
friday
of
the
month.
A
Okay,
so
emily
we
can
get
you
more
specifics.
We
can
email
that
to
you
so
you'll
know
exactly
where
and
stuff
like
that.
B
Hey
margie,
this
is
paul,
I'm
on
that
committee
with
at
the
land
of
the
sky
board
of
realtors.
Okay,
the
address
is
25
restaurant
court,
that's
the
new
lotsar
building
and
that's
that
september
10th
date.
The
connect
committee
is
also
meeting
with
that
committee
to
help
with
the
planning
of
that
event.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
that
and
anybody
doesn't
know
25
restaurant
courts
right
off
of
tunnel
road.
So,
okay,
if
there
are
no
other
margie.
J
There
is
actually
somebody
in
the
queue.
Okay,
let
me
now
they
it
looked
like
their
hand.
Yes,
let
me
I
I'm
gonna
tap
and
if
you're
listening
to
the
speaker,
you
can,
you
should
be
able
to
go
ahead.
I
Hello,
this
is
greg
boreham
with
children,
first
community
schools
in
lucky
county
thanks
for
a
chance
to
provide
public
comment.
I
I
did
want
to
say
that
you
know
we've
been
talking
a
lot
over
the
years,
as
all
of
you
have
heard
me
say
before
about
making
sure
that
the
units
that
are
getting
built
are
those
that
can
house
families
with
children,
and
I
appreciate
that
issue
being
raised
in
today's
conversation,
and
I
would
say
that
really
the
next
step
is
not
just
to
be
part
of
the
conversation,
but
to
really
figure
out
how
we
can
put
that
into
policy
practice,
and
I
think
that
there
are
a
couple
examples
raised
at
the
meeting
today,
both
in
terms
of
as
this
committee
gets
a
chance
to
maybe
review
the
luigi
policy
as
well
as
even
looking
at
any
remaining
bond
dollars
that
are
being
spent.
I
You
know
again,
how
can
we
not
just
look
at
the
number
of
units
that
are
affordable?
What
types
are
they
how
many
bedrooms,
or
is
this
helping
to
promote
stable
and
affordable
housing
for
families
with
children?
Thanks
for
all
your
work,
at
both
staff
and
committee
level,.
J
A
Okay,
so
I
will
now
join
the
meeting
unless
there
are
any
objections.