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A
The
neighborhood
advisory
committee
consists
of
nine
members
all
appointed
by
the
city
council,
with
representation
from
specific
community
sectors.
Members
shall
be
residents
of
the
city
or
the
city's
extraterritorial
zoning
jurisdiction
and
shall
reflect
the
socio-economic
diversity
of
asheville.
The
term
of
office
is
three
years.
A
The
committee
was
established
to
advise
the
city
council
on
neighborhoods
within
the
city
of
asheville's
zoning
and
planning
jurisdiction.
The
committee
shall
have
the
following
powers
and
duties:
one
develop
rules
and
bylaws
for
the
conduct
of
its
business,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
meeting
schedules.
Officers
voting
and
subcommittees
two
develop
a
plan
to
strengthen
neighborhood
identity
and
resilience
and
to
facilitate
communication
and
cooperation
between
asheville's,
neighborhoods
and
city
offices.
A
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating.
Virtually
today
and
we
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings-
a
bit
differently,
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
A
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
today
for
our
committee
members.
Please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you
are
not
speaking
and
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
click
the
raise
the
hand
icon
and
when
recognized
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
after
you're
done
speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello
again,
I'm
anna
sexton,
I
am
the
chair
of
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee
and
I
live
in
west
asheville
and
represent
zip
codes.
D
A
Great
thank
you.
We
also
have
peter
abzug
who
is
unable
to
make
our
meeting
tonight.
He
is
an
at-large
member
as
well
and
mike
wasserman,
who
I
don't
believe
is
currently
signed
on.
He
also
is
a
large
member.
A
Our
city
council
liaison
is
kim
roney.
She,
I
don't
think
she
is
president
currently,
but
also
in
attendance.
Our
city
staff,
members,
jeremy,
lett.
A
He's
the
interim
neighborhood
and
community
engagement
manager
java
hitch-
I
think
doll
is
here.
A
I
am
hi
everybody
I'm
here.
In
the
background,
great
thanks:
dawa
she's,
the
community
and
public
engagement
director.
We
have
the
office
of
data
and
performance.
We
have
several
staff
members
from
the
office
in
data
and
this
evening
eric
jackson
and
natalie
bailey
and
cameron
henshaw.
A
They
will
be
presenting
a
little
bit
later.
B
A
To
start
our
committee
agenda
items,
I
will
go
ahead
and
just
review
or
excuse
me
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
as
we
go
through
so
folks
who
are
listening
in,
can
also
follow
along
a
little
bit
easier
and
then,
additionally,
our
vice
chair,
bob
mays,
is
our
time
keeper.
So
she
will
help
to
try
to
keep
us
on
track
and
keep
us
from
going
over
past
6
30
this
evening.
A
So
the
first
item
for
this
evening's
meeting
is
the
approval
of
minutes
from
our
september
27th
2021
meeting
and
action
is
needed
for
this
specific
item.
So
has
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
review
those
minutes,
and
if
so,
I
will
go
ahead
and
entertain
motion
for
approval.
C
A
Great
thanks:
we've
got
greta
bush
with
a
second,
so
I
will
now
go
ahead
and
go
through
the
roll
call
for
approval
of
the
september
27th
neighborhood
advisory
committee
meeting
minutes
myself
anna
sexton,
I
bob
at
mays.
F
D
A
A
A
We
will
also
touch
on
unfinished
business
related
to
the
volunteer
of
the
year
award
and
then
our
new
business
tonight
is
really
going
to
take
up
the
bulk
of
our
meeting,
where
we
have
staff
from
the
office
of
data
and
performance
presenting
to
us,
as
well
as
staff,
from
the
planning
department
presenting
on
the
open
space
amendment
and
then,
as
usual,
we
will
provide
updates
from
the
other
additional
participation
from
nac
members
on
other
boards
and
other
updates
and
then
go
over
agenda
items
for
upcoming
meetings
and
also
talk
about
our
next
regular
meeting,
given
that
it's
going
to
hit
around
the
thanksgiving
holiday.
A
So
moving
on
to
the
public
comment,
we
did
receive
one
public
comment
through
the
that
was
or
it
was
submitted
electronically.
It
was
submitted
on
friday
and
I
will
go
ahead
and
just
read
through
that
comment
and
then
pass
it
over
to
jeremy.
So
the
comment
was-
and
I
do
believe
excuse
me.
Let
me
back
up.
Nac
members
should
have
received
a
copy
of
this
comment,
but
it
states
that
in
the
item
nine
public
comment
section
of
the
minutes
of
the
january
27
2020
neighborhood
advisory
committee
meeting.
A
H
That
information
and
I'm
gonna
be
working
with
departments,
I'm
trying
to
get
an
answer
to
that
and
I'll
reach
out
to
the
person
who
sends
that
message
and
getting
that
information.
So
so
thank
you
for
that
submission.
A
Great,
yes,
thank
you
for
utilizing
the
public
comment.
We
will
also
or
now
go
into
staff
activities
and
updates
from
jeremy,
so
take
it
away.
H
Good
evening
again,
this
is
jeremy.
J
J
H
A
couple
of
things
I
know
we
have
a
full
agenda
so
I'll
keep
it
brief.
First
thing:
neighborhood
grants
they
start
on
the
first.
We
got
a
lot.
B
H
H
You
know
someone
who
might
be
interested
in
it.
Please
have
them
review
the
application
reach
out
to
me
for
any
questions.
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
to
speak
to
them
or
come
out
and
see
the
projects.
So
just
getting
that
word
out
there,
the
31st
is
right
around
the
corner.
Want
anyone
who
wants
to
apply.
Please
do
so.
We
will
be
doing
another
one
in
march,
and
so
some
people
have.
Let
me
know
that
they
might
not
be
able
to
do
it
this
round,
but
we'll
be
doing
it
again
in
march
yeah.
H
H
Please,
let
me
know
we're
going
to
be
reviewing
these
applications.
This
is
going
to
be
about
two
week
period.
Where
we
get
clear,
we
clarify
the
projects
with
individuals.
Let
them
know
some
of
the
limitations,
make
those
revisions
and
then
we'll
be
moving
on
to
the
panel,
we'll
review
that
and
then
think
about
the
awards.
So
that's
the
neighborhood
grant,
so
the
nac
member
having
being
on
that
panel
last
update,
is
our
community
or
our
also
community
economic
development.
They
work.
H
We're
still
seeing
here
in
the
city
we're
still
doing
a
lot
of
work
around
trying
to
address
our
homelessness
issues
and
dealing
with
individuals
who
are
houseless,
and
so
this
is
a
really
good
resource
that
the
office
of
community
and
economic
development
has
made
it's
a
really
good
resource,
I'm
going
to
start
handing
around
to
neighborhoods.
So
it
lets
you
know
job
training,
places
where
they
can
seek
shelter.
Just
it's
a
really
good
resource
guys.
H
They
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
in
making
this
document
and
really
getting
it
out
to
local
businesses
I'll
be
helping
in
those
efforts
as
well
get
them
out
to
neighborhoods
post
on
next
door.
So
please
review
that
information
hand
it
out
to
your
neighbors,
just
a
really
good
resource
to
let
them
know
how
to
connect
to
local
non-profits
and
local
organizations
that
can
help
you
in
the
community.
So
at
your
leisure.
Please
look
at
that
and
that's.
A
Thanks
jeremy,
any
questions
or
comments
before
moving
on
to
unfinished
business.
A
Great,
so
we
have,
we
just
want
to
revisit
the
volunteer
of
the
year.
Update
and
jeremy.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
this,
or
do
you
want
me
to
go
ahead
and.
H
I
don't
mind
I
don't
mind:
okay
again
I'll,
be
brief,
so
volunteer
of
the
year
looking
at
2021,
I've
been
working
with
sarah,
who
is
our
deputy
clerk
and
trying
to
figure
out
some
rules
around
just
just
how
much
communication
we
can
do,
and
so
I
have
heard
back
and
I
will
be
reaching
out
to
this
working
group
around
volunteer
of
the
year.
So
what
I
want
to
start
thinking
about
is
the
application
for
that.
How
we
want
to
promote
that
some
of
the
communication
methods
that
we
want
to
have
around
that
and.
H
So
we
can
get
as
much
feedback
as
possible,
and
so
I
will
be
reaching
out
to
you
all
later
this
week,
so
we
can
try
to
figure
out
a
time
we.
H
About
what
we've
done
in
the
past
versus
what
we
want
to
do
moving
forward
and
try
to
get
as
many
applications
get
the
word
out
as
best
as
possible.
So
the
beginning
of
the
year
we
can
have
some
applicants
and
then
work
out
that
process
on
selecting
that
volunteer
of
the
year
and
recognizing
them
for
the
work
that
they've
done
the
community.
So
we
will
be
working
on
that.
I
will
be
reaching
out
to
that
committee
and
so
just
look
out
for
an
email
from
me.
E
H
A
A
So
I
will
turn
it
over
to
city
staff
who
are
joining
us
today
in
that
department,
and
thank
you
again
for
for
taking
the
time
to
present
to
us.
J
Good
evening,
everyone
thank
you,
natalie,
you
that
we
were
expecting
it
to
go,
take
a
little
bit
longer
so.
A
I
know
I
it
usually
does
not
go
this
quickly,
so
I
apologize
for
overest
or
mis-estimating
how
how
soon
we
would
have
you
guys
on.
J
That's
perfectly
okay.
In
the
meantime,
let
me
just
message:
natalie,
but
we'll
introduce
ourselves
in
the
meantime,
I'm
eric
jackson
good
evening,
everyone
and
and
thank
you
for
allowing
us
the
time.
During
today's
committee
meeting,
I
managed
the
office
of
data
and
performance,
which
is
a
brand
new
office
that
I
think
officially
formed
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
last
march,
8th,
which
is
when
it
became
more
than
just
me
and
and
and
some
hopes
and
dreams
anyway.
My.
K
I
K
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
patience
again.
My
name
is
natalie
bailey
and
we
are
the
office
of
data
and
performance,
and
today
we
are
going
to
give
an
overview
of
the
office.
We've
already
gone
through
with
our
introductions
we're
going
to
give
an
overview
of
the
office
in
the
mission,
how
we
work
and
some
of
the
efforts
that
we
are
currently
involved
in
and
how
you
can
use
the
methodology
that
we
use
and
hopefully
have
some
time
for
discussion.
J
So
I'll
kick
it
off.
This
is
this
is
the
mission
statement
for
the
office,
and
I
want
to
kind
of
call
out
three
pieces
here
and
the
first
is
that
word
empower
our
the
purpose
of
our
office
is
not
to
kind
of
be
a
place
where
you
come.
J
You
know
hand
over
your
question,
we'll
crunch
some
numbers
and
hand
the
answer
back
to
you:
we'd
love
to
build
some
of
that
capability,
but
with
three
people
and
and
a
whole
city
to
help
transform
that's
a
bit
more
than
we
can
take
on.
So
really
we're
focused
on
empowering
others
to
do
to
think
carefully
about
outcomes
and
how
to
measure
those
outcomes
and
really
to
kind
of
do
help.
The
culture
of
the
city
involved
doing
a
better
job
of
using
data
for.
J
For
the
work
that
they
do-
and
the
second
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
those
two
words
commun
those
kind
of
the
community
and
city
staff.
We
are
not
just
an
internal
service
department.
We
really
see
as
part
of
our
mission,
obviously
helping
working
with
staff
to
help
staff
do
a
better
job
of
using
data
in
their
work.
J
But
we
also
want
to
make
a
difference
in
in
the
community's
ability
to
advocate
for
themselves
and
to
make
good
use
of
data
to
do
that,
and
so
we're
really
seeing
ourselves
very
much
in
service
both
of
internal
stakeholders
and
external,
which
is
part
of
why
we're
here
today
and
then
what
it's
all
for
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we,
as
a
city,
are
delivering
the
results
that
we
commit
to
and
ensuring
that
we
do
that
in
a
in
a
in
an
equitable
way
and
and
data
is,
is
one
of
the
tools
that
we
can
use
to
do
that.
J
I
think
it's
also
important.
If
we
can,
you
know
together
name
what
are
the
outcomes
we're
looking
for?
How
are
we
going
to
tell
if
we're
achieving
them
that
actually
gives
us
a
much
stronger
foundation
for
good
communication,
and
so
that
kind
of
plays
through
everything
we
think
about
and
do
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
natalie
for
a
moment.
K
Okay,
so
how
do
we
work?
I'm
gonna
focus
on
the
first
two
bullets
before
turning
it
back
over
to
eric,
but
we
focus
on
public
engagement
and
reporting,
and
so
that
really
is
about
developing
a
standard
way
to
reach
people
in
our
community.
That
aren't
often
engaged
with
local
government,
and
we
want
to
do
this
in
the
standard
way,
because
we
do
everything
through
the
lens
of
equity,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
is
grounded
in
data.
K
Especially,
but
all
throughout
any
process
that
the
city
is
taking
undertaking
it
within
the
communities
where
they
live
and
work,
and
the
second
point
is
the
data
informed
decision
making
process.
We
want
to
integrate
data
into
all
of
the
processes
in
the
city.
We
want
to
make
sure
again
that
that's
done
from
an
equity
standpoint
through
an
equity
lens
and
the
most
premier
process
in
which
we
have
undertaken.
This
methodology
was
the
budget
process,
and
so
I
want
to
turn
that
back
over
to
eric.
J
So
when
we
talk
about
data
informed
decision
making,
we're
really
we're
really
talking
about
changing
how
people
do
what
we
do,
what
they
do,
leading
with
identifying
the
outcomes
you
want
to
achieve
identifying
the
ways
you
want
to
measure
your
progress
or
success
for
those
outcomes
and
that's
a
big
change
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
I've
been
now
working
in
government
slightly
over
five
years
and
probably
the
biggest
thing.
J
I've
learned
is
that
if
you
want
something
to
be
sustainable
within
an
institution
like
the
city
of
asheville,
you
really
need
to
put
process
behind
it.
Because
that's
really
how
everything
happens.
And,
of
course
the
premier
process
is
the
city
budget.
And
so
we
partner
with
the
budget
department,
the
equity
department
and
community
communications
and
public
engagement
department
to
try
and
integrate
the
use
of
data
and
performance
thinking
into
the
budget
itself.
J
F
J
How
how
we're
how
those
changes
might
impact
the
community
and
because
we're
really
talking
about
a
big
change
in
the
way
things
are
done?
There's
you
know,
there's
a
lot
that
we're
gonna
need
to
do
in
order
to
build
the
capacity
internally
and
externally,
but
certainly
internally,
we
are
running
classes,
teaching
people
about
the
framework
we'll
mention
in
in
a
couple
of
slides,
but
also
just
how
to
think
about
data,
how
to
communicate
with
data
and
so
on.
J
We're
doing
sort
of
combination,
training
and
facilitation
focused
on
particular
divisions
or
teams
within
the
city,
and
then
we
have
other
resources
like
a
twice
monthly
newsletter
that
goes
out
talking
about
what
people
are
doing.
You
know,
tips
and
tricks
that
sort
of
thing,
as
well
as
a
an
internal
discussion
channel
and
a
monthly
internal
collaboration
group,
where
staff
support
each
other
in
identifying
good
ways
to
use
data
and
outcome-focused
thinking
in
order
to
get
better
results.
J
J
You
need
to
make
sure
that
you've
got
processes
in
place
that
help
you
to
make
sure
that
the
data
is
accurate
and
complete,
and
you
need
to
make
sure
that
you're
thinking
about
security,
both
protecting
against
malicious
actors,
which
is
a
big
deal
nowadays,
but
also
just
protecting
against
accidental
harm,
which
also
it's
very
easy
to
accidentally
inadvertently.
Release
data
that
you
didn't
mean
to
release
that
potentially
can
cause
harm,
and
you.
J
Good
processes
in
place
to
prevent
that,
let's
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
getting
a
little
more
concrete.
Some
of
the
things
that
we're
involved
in
right
now
or
recently,
we're
working
with
the
community
and
economic
development
department
we're
in
the
process,
obviously
of
investing
a
lot
of
resources
right
now
in
dealing
with
a
problem
of
houselessness
and
so
we're
working
with
them
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
a
good
job
of
communicating
where
we
are
with
those
efforts.
J
Just
in
terms
of
basic
numbers
reporting
and
as
we
change
things,
making
sure
that
we
can
report
back
and
be
accountable
to
the
community
on
the
impact
of
the
the
investments.
We're
making
we're.
Providing
support
for
the
reparations
process
and
in
the
form
of
gathering
data
sets
that
can
help
inform
the
commission
that
will
form,
as
well
as
making
that
available
to
the
community,
to
to
kind
of
come
to
a
common
understanding
of
what
the
issues
are
that
are
being
talked
about.
J
And
we
from
the
beginning
have
seen
ourselves
as
as
a
partner
with
the
equity
department
in
both
internally
and
externally,
making
sure
that
we
help
them
find
the
data
they
need
to
for
their
work.
And
then,
of
course,
you
know,
we
have
a
role
thinking
about
performance
or
thinking
about
data.
J
As
I
said
in
the
budget
process,
we've
been
involved
in
the
american
rescue
plan,
act,
funding
and,
and
particularly
helping
think
about
the
evaluation
process
and
how
we
look
at
look
at
kind
of
evaluation
and
reporting
down
the
road
from
recipients
of
the
grants,
including
city
departments,
talked
about
the
capacity
building,
we're
doing
for
staff
and
governance
and
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
natalie.
To
talk
about
our
engagement
process,
naming
the
obvious
fact
that
that's
what
we're
doing
tonight
with
you
all.
K
Yes,
yes,
so
we
have
been
involved
in
engagement
formally
and
informally,
since
I
started
back
in
the
spring
and
it
really
started
in
conversation
and
and
the
reason
why
we
started
with
conversations
with
community
members
with
folks
that
work
in
advocacy
with
with
our
residents
and
neighbors
here,
was
to
gather
information
a
lot
of
times.
People
don't
consider
narrative
data
data
right,
but
narrative
data
often
informs
the
baseline
it.
K
It
points
us
in
the
direction
of
where
we
need
to
focus
our
efforts,
and
so
we
had
these
conversations
with
folks
that
were
basically
sending
around
three
questions
and
we're
still
having
these
conversations.
There
was
a
phase
one
if
we
took
that
information
and
it's
informing
our
work
for
2022.
K
I'm
currently
talking
to
folks
as
well
as
eric
and
cameron,
and
so
these
conversations
will
continue
to
inform
the
the
aforementioned
work
that
eric
mentioned
as
well,
and
then
we're
having
road
shows
such
as
this
one,
and
this
is
just
to
introduce
ourselves
to
folks
that
are
a
bit
more
involved
with
local
government
with
city
government.
To
let
let
you
all
know
that
we
are
here
and
we
want
to
be
a
resource,
but
also
to
hear
from
you.
J
So
that
all
may
feel
a
little
bit
theoretical,
so
I
want
to
kind
of
ground
it.
When
we
talk
about
data
and
data
driven
decision
making,
what
is
what
do
we
actually
mean
and
and
kind
of?
J
How
does
this
apply
to
you
and
it
sounds
technical,
but
for
the
most
part,
it's
really
not
it's
it's
about
having
a
a
disciplined
way
and
some
structure
for
thinking
about
how
we're
going
to
identify
outcomes
and
how
we're
going
to
measure
whether
we're
being
successful
in
achieving
those
outcomes
and
really
at
its
heart,
we
use
a
framework
called
results-based
accountability.
J
Some
of
you
may
have
heard
of
it.
It's
used
fairly
commonly
a
lot
in
public
health
and
it's
it's
been
extended
recently
locally,
looking
at
education
issues,
but
it's
it's
one
of
the
standard
methodologies
being
used
across
the
straight
state
and
across
the
country,
and
there
were
two
reasons
we
ended
up:
adopting
results-based
accountability
or
rba.
J
That
we
would
use
the
the
foundational
framework
for
that,
but.
J
So
for-
and
this
is
a
slightly
simplified
version
of
the
framework
but
anytime
we're
looking
at
a
change,
we're
looking
at
a
program
or
a
project,
we
want
to
ask
ourselves:
how
is
the
result
of
this
work?
Do
we
want
our
customers
if
it's
a
service
or
a
program
or
our
community
overall?
J
How
do
we
want
them
to
be
better
off
and
the
important
part
of
that
is
that
we're,
starting
with
that
end
we're
starting
with
what
are
the
results
we're
trying
to
achieve,
and
we
want
to
work
backward
from
there
and
so
the
next
question
we
say:
okay,
how
are
we
going
to
tell,
and
we
need
to
agree
on
this
in
advance?
How
are
we
going
to
know
if
we're
succeeding?
J
How
are
we
going
to
tell
if
we're
making
progress
that
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
numbers,
although
it
often
will
be,
but,
as
natalie
said,
other
kinds
of
data
can
be
import
very
important
and
relevant,
but
we
want
to
have
as
objective
as
possible
a
set
of
ways
of
measuring
whether
we're
succeeding
so
performance
measures.
We
start
from
the
results.
We
identify
performance
measures
and
then
the
next
thing
we
want
to
do
is
say:
okay,
what's
the
baseline?
J
Where
are
we
starting
from,
but
rba
actually
takes
it
one
step
further
say:
where
are
we
now
and
what
will
happen
if
we
don't
change
anything
so
we're
going
to
actually
do
some
predicting
of
where
we
think
things
will
go
so
that
we
can
we
can
ask
ourselves
is
that
okay,
because
we
we
all
have
a
lot
to
do?
Maybe
it's
okay
and
we
should
focus
our
resources
on
a
different
question
or,
but
if
not,
then
we
can
say
well.
J
Maybe
things
are
going
great
and
we
just
keep
doing
what
we're
doing.
Maybe
we're
done.
Maybe
we
discovered
that
our
strategies
were
not
in
fact
as
effective
as
we
thought
and
we
can
ask
ourselves
okay,
what
can
we
now
do
to
change
the
trajectory
of?
What's
of
where
things
are
going,
and
because
this
is
nothing
more
than
than
a
simple
set
of
questions,
and
you
can
you
can
we
have
tools
and
techniques
and
so
on
to
kind
of
drill
down
into
that?
J
But
it's
also
something
that
pausing
to
think
through
these
questions
on
any
thing
that
you
under
undertake
all
by
itself
actually
tends
to
lead
to
better
results,
because
you're
you're,
taking
the
time
to
to
bring
that
discipline
to
what
are
we
trying
to
achieve?
How
are
we
going
to
try
and
achieve
it,
and
and
how
are
we
gonna
agreed
to
measure
whether
we're
being
successful?
J
Those
are
questions
you
can
apply
in
your
own
work,
whether
it
be
in
this
in
this
committee
or
in
your
own
work
outside
of
this
committee,
you
can
bring.
You
can
ask
staff
these
questions,
so
you
should
we
want
to.
We
want
to
be
able,
as
a
standard,
to
say
that
we
as
a
city
are
able
to
say
what
are
the
results
we're
trying
to
achieve.
J
How
are
we
going
to
measure
and
to
use
that
to
come
to
agreement
with
with
our
community
about
whether
things
are
actually
working
or
not,
and
then
because
we're
trying
to
build
some
shared
language
and
shared
thinking
about
this,
so
that
you
know
whether
it
be
in
this
committee
or
in
city
council
or
in
a
conversation
at
a
neighborhood
meeting?
We
can
talk
about
what
are
the
results,
how
we're
going
to
measure
it?
J
J
K
As
eric
stated,
we
will
have
a
quarterly
newsletter
that
will
be
starting
up
soon
and
we
invite
you
all
to
sign
up
for
it
and
you
can
reach
us
out
to
us
directly
either
through
the
offices
page
or
directly
to
eric.
We
really
want
to
hear
from
you
because
we
want
to
be
a
resource
for
you
and
the
work
that
you
often
do,
and
so
this
is
the
fun
part.
This
is
the
discussion
part
we've
got
three
questions
here,
but
I
really
want
to
focus
on
the
last
one.
K
What
are
some
ways
in
which
the
office
of
data
and
performance
can
support
you
in
in
your
work
again,
we
want
to
be
a
resource,
you
all
work
and
are
engaged
with
the
city
in
a
different
level
than
than
most
of
our
our
neighbors
and
residents
are,
and
so
we
we'd
like
to
hear
from
you,
so
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing.
F
Well,
you
know
for
a
complex
topic
that
was
amazingly
wonderfully
delivered.
So
thank
you
for
that,
because
I
kind
of
sort
of
understood
a
portion
of
it.
So
what
I
get
asked
a
lot
about
in
my
involvement
say
with
my
other
outside
groups,
is:
let's
talk
about
like
outside
consultants.
F
I'll
get
people
asked
me.
Is
there
any
data
that
is
driven
that
says
that
we
need
to
hire
outside
consultants
as
opposed
to
keeping
it
in-house
and
when
we
hire
outside
consultants?
F
F
J
F
J
And
I
don't
know
that
I
can
answer
the
specific
question
about
consultants,
but
I
would
say
that
you
know
for
any
any
any
project
that
we
take
on
any
initiative
that
we
take
on
or
study.
J
We
ought
to
be
able
to
explain
why
we're
doing
it
the
way
you
know
why
a
particular
strategy
is
the
best
strategy,
and
that
may
be
you
know
in
the
case
of
consultants.
That
may
be
that
we
don't
that
we
lack
internal
capacity
to
do
something
either
because
we're
already
overloaded
or
we
simply
lack
the
expertise
in
a
particular
area.
J
But
in
any
case
we
ought
to
be
able
to
answer
that
question.
Why
this
strategy,
and
not
some
other
one?
Why
a
consultant
and
not,
and
then
I
would
also
sort
of
say
that
it
doesn't
really
matter
whether
we
go
with
the
consultant
or
internal
staff
route.
We
ought
to
be
saying:
okay,
what
is
success
here
and
how
are
we
going
to
measure
it,
and
then
we
can
look
at.
J
One
thing
I
would
I
would
say
is
that
whether
you're
hiring
a
consultant
to
do
something
or
you're
using
staff
you're
using
extremely
expensive
resources,
and
so
you
want
to
make
sure
that
those
resources
are
being
used.
Well,
you
know,
staff,
we
don't
you,
don't
see
the
exact
dollar
numbers
behind
staff
time,
but
you
put
a
whole
bunch
of
people
onto
a
project
in
the
city
and
you
actually
end
up
spending.
You
know
one
of
our
most.
F
Is
that
handled
in
the
odap
is
that
where
people
go
for
questions,
so
is
this
where,
when
people
have
questions,
where
does
this
data
live?
Do
we
come
to
you
on
your
website
and.
J
So
questions
about
where
data
live
very
often
that
would
probably
come
first
through
our
public
records
officer.
It
can
depend
a
little
bit,
but
that
would
be
the
most
kind
of
standard
way
and
that
way
everything
gets
coordinated
because
the
information
may
live
across
many
departments.
J
And
so,
if
you
know
you
are
welcome
to
reach
out
to
any
staff
member,
if
you
reached
out
to
odep,
then
you
know
we
can
go
ahead
and
make
sure
that
the
public
records
officer
gets
involved.
But
that
would
be
that
would
be
the
the
best
route
is
to
go
through
the
public
records
office.
J
E
So
sorry,
thank
you
anna.
This
is
wendy
hayner.
I
have
a
question
pertaining
to
two:
eight,
eight
zero.
Four.
We
have
a
number
of
neighborhoods
that
are
not
organized
yet,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
questions
recently
as
to
where's
the
lines
drawn
as
to
what
city
street
is
incorporated
into
a
particular
area
and
I'd
like
to
know
if
the,
if
your
organization,
if
your
committee
takes
care
of
that
for
us
and
can
draw
those
lines
for
us,
thank
you.
J
So-
and
I
don't
know,
jeremy,
if
you
want
to
just
the
the
it
department
and
we're
part
of
the
it
department
which
I
should
have
pointed
out
earlier,
the
it
department
has
you
know,
maintains
the
the
map
information.
J
One
of
the
one
of
the
things
I
learned
fairly
early
on
in
the
city
is
the
city
organization,
doesn't
tell
neighborhoods
what
their
boundaries
are.
The
neighborhoods
tell
the
city
what
their
boundaries
are
and
we
try
and
keep
up
sometimes
more
successfully
than
other
times,
but
you
can
certainly
get
defined
neighborhoods.
We
have
on
maps
and
I
think
you
can
probably
get
access
to
it
all
online,
but
if
not
we'd
be
happy
to
help.
You
find.
C
J
Yeah
go
ahead,
so
I
should
probably
explain
that
google
group
got
formed
right,
as
you
know,
just
as
soon
as
we
launched
before,
we
even
had
much
staff.
So
it's
it's
essentially
an
email
list
and
that
will
turn
into
the
newsletter
list
as
the
newsletter
launches,
which
will
be
next
month.
G
Please
go
ahead
thanks
anna
this
is
elizabeth
likas,
an
answer
to
your
question
or
or
a
thought
I
have
about
your
question
about
what
can
odab
do
for
you.
I'm
curious
is
that
in
the
same,
the
first
thing
I
thought
of
when
you
were
talking
about
equity
and
healthlessness,
and
some
of
that
was
some
of
the
inequities
in
the
school
system.
Are
you
all?
Is
that
part
of
the
same
entity?
J
So
that's
a
slightly
complicated
answer
because
we're
not
part
of
the
school
system,
even
though
the
city
obviously
has
has
a
role
there,
but
in
one
of
the
interesting
things
you
know.
If
we're
looking
at
data
about
the
internal
workings
of
a
department
in
the
city,
we
have
the
data
we
work
with
the
department,
it's
easy.
Well,
it's
never
easy,
but
at
least
it's
at
least
all
the
problems
are
sort
of
in
internal
for
most
issues
that
we
care
about
the
city
has
is
a
stakeholder
and
has
a
role,
but
doesn't
necessarily
own.
J
J
Almost
all
the
data
is
not
city
data,
it's
census,
data
or
school
data.
So,
to
the
extent
that
those
are
relevant,
we
certainly
are
a
resource
in
helping
find
that
data,
but
in
all
likelihood
we're
going
to
be
partnering
with
the
organizations
in
question
in
order
to
actually
find
it
and
and
probably
in
the
process
of
making
it
available,
it
may
be
coming
through
them.
J
You
know
we
if,
if
so
for
census,
data,
for
example,
we
do
actually
host
localized
versions
of
the
census
data,
even
though
that's
obviously
the
federal
government
that
does
that
in
other
cases
we
probably
wouldn't.
We
would
let
buncombe
county,
but
we
are
looking
so,
for
example,.
J
We
have
a
project
that
we're
just
about
to
get
started
that
we're
actually
pretty
excited
about
with
the
buncombe
county
library,
the
special
collections
to
create
a
finding
guide
for
finding
data,
which
you
know
very
often,
where
you're
going
to
end
up
finding
the
data
is
maybe
on
the
buncombe
county
site
or
somewhere
in
the
school
system
or
the
library
we
wouldn't
necessarily
host
it.
But
we
do
see
it
as
part
of
our
role
to
help
people
in
our
community
figure
out
how
to
find
it.
J
A
This
is
anna,
for
those
listening
in,
I
think
we
are
are
hitting
sort
of
our
time
where
we
need
to
transition
to
our
next
presentation,
but
just
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
to
natalie
eric
and
cameron
for
repairing
material
and
presenting
to
us
today.
A
I
echo
what
sharon
said
and
that
it
can,
like
you
said
eric
get
kind
of
technical
and
into
the
weeds,
which
is
stuff
that
I
personally
love,
but
you
presented
it
in
a
very
easy
to
understand
way
and
I'm
really
excited
that
the
city
has
chosen
to
invest
in
building
that
capacity,
and
I
think
that
it
will
be
a
really
good
thing
for
for
stakeholders
internally
and
externally,
and
so
now
we
have
resources
that
have
been
shared
in
our
meeting
materials
for
fellow
committee
members.
A
Great,
thank
you
have
a
great
evening,
y'all
bye-bye
all
right.
We
are
staying
on
track,
which
is
a
very
good
thing
and
we
are
going
to
now
segue
over
to
vadilla,
who
has
a
presentation
from
the
planning
department
on
the
work
towards
amending
the
current
open
space
ordinance
language.
I
I
am
here
to
talk
to
you
about
a
wording
amendment
which
is
a
basically
change
to
our
development
standards.
This
is
a
nice
segue
from
the
presentation
we
just
heard,
because
I
you
can
think
of
zoning
as
one
of
our
city's
regular
processes
that
ensures
that
something
works
well
and
every
once
in
a
while.
We
make
updates
to
try
to
improve
and
amend
our
standards.
I
So
so
that's
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
today,
open
space,
here's
what
our
purpose
states
for
open
space
and
I'll
just
highlight
that
this
doesn't
I'm
not
talking
today
about
parks,
space
or
city-owned,
land
or
greenways.
This
is
about
certain
requirements
that
we
require
larger
developments,
such
as
apartment
buildings
or
subdivisions
of
property,
to
set
aside
a
small
area
of
open
space,
and
it's
both
for
humans
as
well
as
for
nature.
I
So
it's
I
have
this
image
of
the
scale
here,
because
it's
both
looking
at
trying
to
balance
the
needs
of
of
of
humans
and
the
non-human
or
natural
world.
Okay.
I
I
I
And
so
you
know
we,
we
came
back
and
we
decided
to
create
this
task
force
so
that
we
we
can
work
with
the
various
the
different
commissions
that
have
very
different
perspectives.
Right.
Some
are
very
focused
on
housing
or
development.
Others
are
focused
on
trees
and
preservation
and
sustainability.
I
I
And
here
are
three
key
changes
that
I'll
talk
through
one
has
to
do
with
alignment
with
infill
development,
because
we
know
that
housing
is
very
important
here.
Housing
prices
are
going
up
significantly
all
the
time.
We
want
to
focus
on
better
quality
open
spaces
so
that
people
can
really
use
these
spaces
and
and
that
they're
an
equality
asset
for
for
communities
and
to
improve
our
environments,
specifically
through
stormwater
changes.
I
D
I
Space,
but
really
the
idea
is
that
trees,
especially
street
trees,
are
they
can
be
thought
of
as
a
key
component
component
to
our
public
realm
right.
The
the
public
realm
the
streets
and
sidewalks
that
the
all
the
public
share
together
are
can
be
thought
of
as
an
open
space
and-
and
it's
been
pretty
much
understood
that
our
trees,
our
street
trees,
are
struggling,
and
so
we
they
created
this.
I
Okay,
so
let
me
talk
through
some
of
the
standards.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
highlight
how
asheville,
currently
and
under
the
proposed
scenario,
kind
of
rates
against
other
cities,
so
this
chart
shows
the
cities
on
the
left
and
then
opens
resp
open
space
requirements
for
residential
and
for
commercial
properties,
and
you
can
see
it's
kind
of
all
over
the
map,
but
it
tends
to
be
a
pretty
much
a
lower
requirement
or
no
requirement
in
some
cases
and
asheville's
current
current
standard.
I
That
is
problematic
is
that
it
it
requires,
in
some
cases,
up
to
40
of
a
parcel
to
be
set
aside
as
open
space,
and
this
is
kind
of
broken.
This
is
this
basically
makes
it
prohibitive
for
certain
infill
projects
and
and
the
reason
this
happened
is
really
sometimes
code
is
written
without
understanding
all
the
implications
and
that's
where
we
stand
today,
so
we're
proposing
to
change
it
in
a
sense.
I
So
I'll
talk
through
a
couple
examples
this
is
today
here
is
a
an
infill
parcel
which
shows
these
two
blue
images
that
the
image
on
the
top
is
an
existing
building
and
the
image
on
the
bottom
is
a
proposed
structure
and
under
the
current
regulations.
I
Because
of
the
added
square
footage
of
the
proposed
structure,
they
would
have
to
make
34
fully
one
third
of
the
parcel
to
be
open
space.
So
this
entire
pink
area
would
have
to
be
open
space
and
that
could
be
placed
anywhere,
but
you
can
see
that
it's
incredibly
restrictive
it
may
it
makes
a
project
like
this,
basically
prohibitive
and
so
we're
proposing
to
make
that
more.
I
I
Here
is
another
example.
This
is
a
residential
subdivision,
currently
you're
required
to
pro
to
provide
20
of
the
total
parcel
as
open
space.
But,
as
you
can
see
in
the
the
schematic
that
open
space
can
be
sequestered
behind
parcels
so
that
it
sometimes
is
not
easy,
easily
accessible
or
it's
on
the
parts
of
the
land
that
are
subpar
or
difficult
to
to
access
because
they
might
be
steep.
I
And
so
what
we're
proposing
is
again
that
we
reduce
it
by
five
to
fifteen
percent,
but
we
require
it
to
be
a
higher
quality
so
that
part
of
it
needs
to
be
on
the
street
frontage
so
that
all
of
the
properties
can
access
it
easily,
but
we're
not
requiring
as
much
because
we
don't
want
to
make
it
more
prohibitive.
I
I
So
one
linear
feet
per
250
square
feet
of
open
space
seating,
and
if
you
can
provide
all
of
those
for
your
open
space,
you
can
reduce
the
amount
from
whatever
it
is
five
percent
lower,
and
the
idea
is
that
we,
we
should
get
spaces
like
this.
Where
you
can
still
have
green,
you
can
still
have
trees
and
plants
and
be
lush
beautiful
places,
but
that
there's
there
will
be
social
social
places
as
well.
They
won't
be
the
open
spaces
that
are
on
a
ravine
or
on
a
steep
hill
hill
slope
that
people
can't
access.
I
Benefit
that
we're
proposing
so
currently
the
state
regulations
make
it
difficult
for
us
to
provide
for
stormwater
regulations
in
some
instances,
and
so
we've
created
this
incentive.
That
basically
says
if
you
have
a
large
parcel.
This
is
an
example
of
a
large
big
box
parking
lot
and,
and
you
want
to
redevelop
your
site,
a
full
50
of
that
site
has
to
be
open,
open
space.
I
But
if
you
aren't
willing
to
provide
50
of
it
to
be
open
space,
you
can
reduce
the
amount
of
open
space
that
you're
required
to
provide
by
by
integrating
stormwater
infrastructure.
This
is
something
that
we
do
for
all
new
projects.
Basically,
if
they're
large
have
to
do
this,
but
we're
restricted
because
of
state
regulations
on
sites
that
are
already
impervious
like
this.
I
I
And
so
those
three
key
changes
help
us
to
meet
our
housing
needs.
They
help
us
to
provide
better
quality,
open
spaces
for
a
social
benefit
and
they
meet
some
of
our
climate
and
natural
benefits
that
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
so.
I've
created
this
flow
chart
I'll
just
sort
of
talk
it
through.
It's
quite
simple,
so
we
have
our
open
space
requirements
here
and
you
can
go
one
of
either
two
directions.
I
If
you're
a
larger
parcel,
you
go
up
if
you're,
a
smaller
small,
partial
less
than
one
acre,
you
come
down
so
I'll.
Just
follow
this
larger
parcel
parcel
flow.
If
you're
a
larger
parcel.
You
you
have
this.
These
are
your
standards
depending
on
whether
you're
a
subdivision,
multi-family
development,
commercial
or
mixed
use.
I
Then
you
can
reduce
your
open
space
quantity
by
another
five
percent,
and
and
that's
where
you
can
go
at
your
kind
of
you
know
the
the
least
amount
of
open
space
required.
I
So
that's
that's
the
the
summary
we
are
preparing
to
go
to
the
playing
and
zoning
commission
actually
next
week
on
on
wednesday
and
we're
we're
requesting
a
statement
from
knack,
ideally
in
support,
and
if
not
you
know
whatever
you
want
to
to,
let
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
know
and
then
we're
slated
to
go
to
council
in
december
and
with
that
I'll
open
up
for
questions.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
vadilla
greta
first
and
then
elizabeth
to
follow.
C
Thanks
anna
and
thanks
vadilla
for
that
explanation,
I
have
two
questions
so
I'm
my
first
is
I'm
trying
to
understand.
I
wrote
them
down,
so
I'm
looking
down
how
does
reducing
the
open
space
with
stormwater
and
heat
island
mitigation,
especially
if
a
developer
chooses
the
affordable
housing
route,
I'm
just
picturing.
If
they
choose
the
affordable
housing
route
and
then
they
only
have
to
have
a
five
percent
open
space
and
then
we
continue
to
get
rain
the
way
we
have
been.
C
It's
I'm
just
wrapping
my
head
around
reducing
the
open
space
wondering
how
that
affects
the
nature
component
and
then
the
second
question
is:
I've
lived
in
places
where
cities
have
entire
parking,
lots
that
are
permeable
and
they
have
water
collection
underneath.
So
I'm
wondering
if
the
city
is
doing
anything
to
encourage
that
sort
of
thing,
because
that
way
you
can
kind
of
get
a
little
bit
of
both.
I
Those
questions
greta
so
the
first
one.
So
a
lot
of
this
is
a
balancing
act
and
we,
you
know
we're
in
conversations
with
our
affordable
housing
folks,
and
it
became
clear
that
having
these
increased
requirements
for
making
half
of
your
parcel
to
be
open
space
or
to
meeting
higher
stormwater
standard
would
make
affordable
housing
much
more
prohibitive.
I
So
basically,
this
was
a
balance
where,
where
we
compromised
and
said,
if
you're
building,
affordable
housing,
we're
not
going
to
hold
you
to
the
same
standard
that
we're
trying
to
have
other
developments
meet,
so
that's
it
in
a
nutshell.
I
I
Typically,
what
happens
is
is
most
projects
that
I'm
aware
of
they
build
storm
tech
systems
which
are
sub
surface,
basically
water
capture
systems
so
that
they
can
maximize
the
development
of
their
site,
because
the
cost
benefit
is
the
best
for
them.
I
I
don't
know
I
I
don't
think
they
do.
I
know
that
there
is.
Is
it
one
medical
park
drive
you
know
where,
like
there
are
lots
of
eye
doctors
and
things
off
of
sweden
creek?
I
That
parking
lot
is
pervious
paving
and
I
I
I
reached
out
to
them
and
talked
to
them
at
one
point
when
I
was
working
on
some
impervious
zoning
standards
at
the
time,
and
apparently
it's
really
great
and
functions
well,
they
have
to
vacuum
it
actually
like
once
or
twice
a
year
with
these
industrial
vacuums
that
take
out
silts
and
it's
a
little
bit
more
expensive,
but
it
does
an
incredible
job
of
capturing
storm
water.
I
Yeah
yeah
we
need
to.
I
think
this
is
the
direction
that
we're
going
with.
Zoning
is
more,
we
kind
of
set
a
higher
bar
and
and
where-
and
we
say,
if
you,
if
you
don't
want
to
meet
that-
that
higher
restriction
like
in
this
case,
fifty
percent
of
your
parcel
is
open
space.
Then
you
have
to
meet
the
higher
bar,
which
is
providing
storm
water.
You
know,
so
maybe
we
can
in
the
future,
look
at
having
an
alternative.
I
Instead
of
meeting
storm
water,
I
mean
you
could
meet
storm
water
with
prairies
paving,
but
it
we
you're
not
required
to
do
that
in
order
to
capture
the
water
and
to
meet
the
public
benefit.
G
Is
elizabeth
thanks
for
this
presentation?
It's
it's
really
interesting
and
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
as
well
when
one
of
your
slides,
I
guess
a
couple
of
slides
ago,
you
were
talking
about
what
you
defined
or
operationalized
as
high
quality,
open
space,
and
you
had
those
four
criteria.
I
I
I
Yeah,
so
hotels
are
a
a
non-uh
non-residential
product.
So
if
we
look
at
our
cheat
sheet
here
it
first
of
all,
it
depends
on
the
parcel
size.
So
if
it's
a
a
parse
a
hotel
on
a
larger
parcel,
they
would
have
to
you
know,
provide
50
of
their
parcel
as
open
space
or
they
provide
stormwater
benefits,
so
they
would
most
likely
provide
the
stormwater
benefits
and
then
they
would.
I
They
would
be
in
this
category
of
providing
10
open
space
and
then,
if
they
were
willing
to
meet
these
higher
standards
in
some
cases
they
can
meet
them.
In
other
cases
it
might
be
too
restrictive.
They
could
bring
their
open
space
down
to
five
percent,
and
so
you
know,
then
they
would
have
to
provide
the
seating
and
those
other
benefits,
but
then
they
would
be
down
to
five
percent
open
space,
and
that's
that's
really
how
basically
all
commercial
properties
that
that
would
be
their
their
trajectory.
A
I
did
well,
we
all
received
notification
from
bob
that,
regarding
being
conscious
of
time,
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
technical
details
in
this
presentation
and
if
there
aren't
any
other
questions,
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
to
go
ahead
and
release
you
vadilla,
so
that
you
can
call
it
a
workday
and
just
say
thank
you
for
presenting
some
yeah
ordinance
and
code
is
always
in
the
weeds
and
really
detailed,
and
so
I
think,
moving
out
of
that
we
can
let
you
go,
and
then
we.
A
Move
to
yes,
thank
you
very
much
move
towards
receiving
an
update
from
sharon
about
sort
of
the
open
space
task
force
and
reconciling
sort
of
like
that
side
of
things
with
what
vadilla
presented
today,
so
that,
hopefully
leaving
this
meeting,
we
will
have
some
sort
of
statement
that
we
can
agree
upon
to
then
move
to
pnz
next
week,
so
sharon
your
hand
was
raised.
Yeah.
F
So
this
has
been
a
long
involved
process.
I
was
involved
in
the
first
iteration
of
people
and
then
it
turned
into
this
second
working
group
and
it's
very
difficult
to
have
dyla's
good
power
or
great
powerpoint
presentation
without
having
all
the
things
that
are
counter
to
that
discussion,
and
there
will
be.
F
I
can
provide,
but
probably
not
enough
time,
everybody
some
information
that
has
got
issues
like
when
we
brought
up
the
hotel
that
only
happens
like
in
the
central
business
district,
no
open
space
is
required
and
we
ask
for
central
business
district
to
have
open
space.
So
therefore
that
when
you're
in
central
business
district
it
it's
a
moot
point
because
there
is
no
open
space
added
to
it
is
definitely
a
reduction
in
open
space.
F
The
project
that
he
presented
was
a
project
that's
been
presented
in
west
asheville,
where
the
people
that
own
the
property
want
to
densely
build
in
that
area
and
next
to
it
is
an
old
established
neighborhood
with
a
1920s
house.
That's
budding
right
up
against
to
it
and
is
changing
the
whole
tenure
of
that
whole
west,
asheville,
neighborhood
and
so
very
old
trees
were
going
to
be
removed.
So
when
he
was
showing
open
space,
how
much
area
originally
in
the
front
would
be
required.
F
There
was
a
lot
of
old
trees
that
are
in
that
area
that
would
be
removed.
So
there's
a
lot
of
nuances
in
this
everybody
on
the
task
force.
Realizes
that
we
have
a
need
for
infill
is
how
does
it
look
and
how
do
we
want
the
city
to
look?
They
did
not.
The
city
did
not
want
public
comment
on
this
and
take
it
to
the
public
and
ask
the
neighborhood,
so
they
took
it
to
committees.
F
So,
what's
going
on,
is
up
to
people
on
the
task
force
to
try
to
give
information,
that's
very
dense
to
committees,
so
that
we
can
have
an
opinion
to
send
something
to
planning
and
zoning
into
the
commission.
F
So
that's
a
lot
of
information
to
get
out
in
a
week
for
everybody,
so
I'm
suggesting
that
we
can't
make
an
informed
decision.
I
can
send
out
some
information
and
be
told
how
not
to
violate
the
the
open
meeting
laws.
So
that'll
include
conversations
and
everybody
and
give
out
the
information
that
we
see.
That
is
flawed
in
this.
F
I
see
this
and
flawed
and
I
believe
that
and
the
sector
agrees
as
well-
and
I
know
villa
vadilla's
got
a
response,
but
I'd
like
to
have
the
floor
on
this,
and
then
we
can
have
some
kind
of
discussion
so
that
we
can
decide
whether
we
want
to
send
a
letter
to
pnz
and
say
that
we
can't
make
an
informed
decision
or
we
can
make
an
informed
decision
and
as
a
collective
group
that
we
decide
collectively
of
what
we
want
to
do.
F
But
there's
much
information
that
needs
to
be
disseminated
in
a
week.
I
I
We
have
goals
of
city,
providing
housing,
affordable
housing
and
we
have
goals
of
providing
quality
open
spaces.
You
know
the
infill
that
sharon
is
discussing
in
west
asheville
is,
is
used.
There's
language
about
dense
infill,
we're
talking
about
a
two-story
structure.
I
You
know
on
a
larger
property,
so
you
you
you
have
to,
of
course
think
of
this
through
your
own
lens
and
just
to
keep
that
in
mind
that
this
is
about
balancing
needs,
and
I
hope
you
keep
that
in
mind.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
videla,
this
is
anna.
I
do
want
to
be
mindful
of
time
so
that
we
can
wrap
it
up
right
around
6
30..
A
I
want
to
extend
appreciation
to
city
staff
for
involving
knack
in
the
first
place
on
this.
I
think
it
was
very
important
and
very
well
received
that
we
were
able
to
participate
in
this
process,
and
I
think
things
like
this
are
things
that
we
want
to
be
utilized
for.
A
Sharon
has
really
taken
sort
of
the
primary
role
for
knack
since
she's
had
some
previous
involvement
on
this
and
I've
just
been
trying
to
to
sort
of
understand
as
we
go
along
and
I,
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
an
opportunity
for
you
all
tonight
who
have
received
some
more
cohesive
final
information
to
have
more
time
to
digest
it
before
making
a
decision
and
making
a
collective
statement.
A
I'm
going
to
just
open
up
space
for
that,
but
I
I
want
to
just
sort
of
see
where
everyone's
then
do
a
temperature
check
with
you
all
on
that
to
see
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
and
give
a
thumbs
up
or
give
a
thumbs
up
with
conditions
or
perhaps
even
feel
like
our
statement
as
knack
is,
but
we
need
more
time
so
just
want
to
throw
that
out.
There.
A
I
am
just
opening
up
the
floor
for
discussion
at
this
point.
Sharon
and
I
have
been
able
to
review
and
sort
of
discuss
this
information
as
part
of
the
task
force.
But
this
is
new
information
to
you
all
in
this
format,
and
I
want
to
be
cognizant
of
that
and
provide
options,
or
at
least
make
it
known
that
there
are
options
available
for
and
want
to
hear
what
you
all
have
to
say.
D
F
Have
more
information
to
impart,
but
it's
taking
to
send
it
out
and
where
I
have
disagreements
with
it.
I
have
agreements
with
it,
but
this
is
not
an
easy
change
when,
with
the
neighborhoods,
when
we're
reducing
open
space,
we're
in
need
of
storm
water
change
and
they
were
using,
I'm
not
sure
why
storm
water
is
an
impetus
to
reduce
open
space
for
infill
when
to
me
storm
water
incentives
should
go
into
the
storm
water
ordinance
and
not
go
into
the
open
space
ordinance.
F
There's
there's
a
number
of
things
that
I
question,
because
I've
questioned
from
the
beginning
that
anytime,
you
reduce
open
space,
it
impacts
the
green
infrastructure
impacts,
the
neighborhoods,
affordable
housing,
it's
volunteer,
it
doesn't
guarantee
affordable,
housing
and
there's
also
a
fee
in
lieu
proponent
to
this
that
they
can
buy
their
way
out.
As
in
the
current
there's,
a
current
open
space
ordinance
and
then
there's
the
changes
fee
and
loot
can
be
purchased
instead
of
there's
incentivizing.
F
So
it's
a
strongly
worded
suggestion
and
the
ultimate
goal
is
to
reduce
open
space
and
so
and
I've
got
more
information
in
part.
I
just
can't
do
it
in
and
a
few
words
or
less
to
get
it
out
to
everybody.
B
And
then
greta
yes,
this
is
bobby.
I
have
a
concern
because
of
I
think
we're
not
ready.
B
I
I
would
like
for
us
to
have
more
time
because
I
live
in
in
shiloh
and
if
you're
talking
about
reducing
open
spaces
for
more
affordable
housing,
and
I
have
seen
that
come
into
our
neighborhood
and
I've
seen
how
much
that
they're
taking
away
from
that
space-
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
things
have
to
go
to
planning
and
zoning,
but
I'm
I'm
just
not.
I
don't
feel
comfortable
at
this
time
to
go
further
without
having
more
information.
C
G
Yes,
I'm
thinking
along
those
same
lines,
there's
no
way
just
in
in
a
you
know
this
presentation
that
we
could
get
to
all
of
that
information.
I
am
curious
sharon.
You
said
something
about
at
some
point.
They
didn't
want
this
to
go
into
neighborhoods
for
or
for
community
input,
and
so
they
took
it
to
committee.
F
You
know,
I
don't
know
why
vadilla
probably
can
answer
why,
but
we
did
ask
from
the
beginning
that
it
go
into
a
more
public
comment,
but
I
don't
know-
probably
I'm
gonna
guess
time,
but
I'm
not
sure
why.
I
Sure,
that's
just
a
false
statement
we
had
no
intention
to
this
has
not
been
in
any
way
avoiding
the
neighborhoods.
In
fact,
the
reason
we
created
this
task
force
was
to
get
representatives
from
different
parts
of
our
community
to
come
together,
and
you
know
we
can.
We
can
for
any
any
change
to
zoning.
We
can
have
myriad
public
input
input
processes,
but
ultimately
it.
You
know
at
some
point
we
need
to.
I
If
we
want
to
make
some
changes,
we
have
to
come
to
a
decision,
so
I
think
we've
had
a
long
time
that
we've
basically
had
a
a
resolved
ordinance.
That's
been
more
or
less
the
same,
and
you
know
it
was.
It
was
expected
that
this
would
have
been
brought
to
you
and
discussed.
I
I
don't
know
to
what
extent
you've
been
discussing
this
over
the
last
nine
months,
but
that
was
our
intention
and
if
it
didn't
happen
you
know,
maybe
you
need
time
to
to
read
it
yourselves
and
I
could
talk
to
you
about
specific
applications
and
how
it
works
and
that
that
could
be
something
that
we
can
do
as
well,
but
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
that.
It
was
not
intended
to
avoid
the
public
public
comment
or
anything
like
that.
A
Thanks
manila
sharon
I'll,
let
you
go
for
in
just
a
second,
and
I
do
just
just
want
to
say
too,
like
we've
been
working
to.
A
Maybe
there
was
miscommunication
about
when
this
should
have
been
on
the
agenda
for
knack
and
when
it
shouldn't
have
at
what
point
in
the
process,
but
it
felt
a
little
premature
before
we
had
something
more
set
in
stone
to
to
bring
to
knack
and
so
again
really
appreciate
the
time
that
you've
taken
to
put
together
material
and
to
share
with
folks-
and
I
understand,
certainly
the
balance
in
trying
to
negotiate
how
much
input
is
useful
versus
being
counterproductive.
A
But
given
that
nac
members
are
just
seeing
this
for
the
first
time
over
the
first
couple
of
days,
but
you
know,
aside
from
receiving
updates
from
from
sharon
and
me
at
each
meeting,
I'm
receiving
some
staff
explanation
on
things.
I
do
think
I
certainly
understand
and
empathize
with
the
need
to
have
more
time
to
sort
of
digest
everything.
F
Real
quick
on
the
urban
forestry
commission,
there
was
a
lot
of
pushback
when
this
first
came
through
there
wasn't
anybody
involved
other
they
came
to
different
boards
and
commissions,
and
they
came
to
us-
and
I
said
this
is
too
complicated
to
rush
this
through,
and
so
we
spent
about
I'm
going
to
guess
about
seven
or
eight
months
working
with
vedilla
and
the
subcommittee
from
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
when
we
pushed-
and
this
is
my
being
involved
in
this-
and
I
will
say
this
when
we
push
back
hard
on
the
lack
of
open
space
and
green
infrastructure,
then
all
of
a
sudden
we're
involved
in
another
committee
that
involves
an
act
that
involves
safety
that
involves
urban
forestry
commission
after
we'd
been
on
it
for
nine
months.
F
So
it
was
a
different
tactic
taken
to
take
open
space
somewhere
else.
So
I've
been
doing
this
for
three
years
now
I
would
say,
or
two
and
a
half
years.
So
this,
in
my
estimation,
has
not
been
an
open
policy
open
with
the
public
other
than
people
all
of
a
sudden,
putting
their
hands
up
and
going
what's
going
on.
So
that
is
my
take
on
it.
A
Thanks
sharon:
this
is
anna,
it's
6
23.
I
know
that
we
need
to
keep
things
moving,
so
I
think
we've
gotten
a
good
cross-section
of
discussion
and
opinions
from
city
staff
and
committee
members,
and
so
at
this
point
I'll
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
for
moving
forward,
somehow
with
some
sort
of
statement
so
or
at
least
put
open
up
the
floor.
If,
if
anyone
has
any
recommendations
or
ideas.
C
A
A
Okay,
bobbitt
go
ahead.
B
I
agree
with
that.
Also,
if
we're
going
to
give
a
statement
for
them
to
make
a
presentation,
we
should
have
to
say
that
we
are
not
capable
at
this
time
of
making
a
decision
to
be
able
to
send
a
letter
of.
I
think
it
would
be.
It
would
be
a
lot
of
affirmation
that
we
go
along
with
what
he's
been
he
has
presented
with
us
tonight,
and
I
think
that
in
order
not
to
hold
him
up,
it's
just
we
don't
have
enough
time.
B
We
don't
have
enough
information,
and
that
would
be
all
that
we
would
send
to
them
and
we
appreciate
what
we
do
have,
but
it's
just
because
I
have
a
problem
with
the
fact
that
we're
talking
about
neighborhoods
and
the
impact
on
neighborhoods
and
then
you
have
task
force
and
you
have
certain
committees,
but
are
you
really
talking
to
the
people
where
they
live
and
they
need
to
know
what's
happening?
And
it's
not?
It
hasn't
been
going
that
way,
and
so
I
think,
there's
still
some
more
concerns.
A
G
A
Okay,
elizabeth
seconds
that
all
right,
I
will
go
ahead
and
run
through
roll
call,
and
then
we
can
move
on
to
the
final
aspects
of
our
meeting.
Sorry
just
want
to
make
sure
I've
got
my
list
here
so
chair
anna
sexton,
I
in
favor
of
that.
So
I
bob
mays
hi
greta
bush,
all
right,
jp
chalarka.
D
E
A
Okay,
the
motion
carries,
I
think
that
is
sort.
That
is
the
statement
that
we
will
be
sharing
with
pnz,
and
I
guess
jeremy,
we
will
jeremy
andrew
vadilla
coordinate
with
you
all
to
get
that
language
to
forward
on.
So
all
right
that
that
wraps
that
up-
and
I
will
move
quickly
through
so
item
number-
eight
on
the
agenda.
Nack
member
updates
on
other
boards
sharon's
shared
a
little
bit
on
open
space
task
force,
the
multimodal
transportation
commission.
We
have
not
met
since
our
last
snack
meeting.
A
This
is
one
of
those
odd
months
where
our
next
meeting
for
multimodal
is
this
coming
wednesday.
So
I
don't
have
any
updates
to
share
with
you
all.
We
have
three
minutes
left
but
want
to
take
some
very
brief.
You
know
one
to
two
minutes:
each
for
a
nat
community
engagement,
update
from
jp
and
mike,
followed
by
a
neighborhood
update
from
wendy's,
so
jp,
I'm
gonna
turn
over
to
you.
Thank
you
sure.
D
And
this
is
gonna,
be
very
brief.
After
our
last
meeting
we
talked
about
the
need
for
us
as
a
committee
to
think
through
our
communication
strategy
and
our
communication
channels,
outside
of
what
we've
been
doing,
because
what
I've
been
hearing
and
what
mike's
been
hearing
over
the
last
several
meetings
is
that
participation
in
knack
related
things
among
the
community
is
low.
Potential
awareness
is
low,
so
there's
a
chicken.
B
D
Situation
where
we
might
be
expecting
folks
to
contribute
to
the
conversation
who
either
don't
know
who
we
are
don't
know
how
to
reach
us
and
don't
have
access
to
the
same
vehicles
of
communication
that
we've
relied
so
much
on
for
the
last
x
amount
of
years.
So
mike
and
I
had
a
brief
brainstorm
and
we
discussed
this
whole
concept
about
engagement,
slash
communication.
E
D
Develop
a
one
page
flyer
task
sheet
that
is
very
short,
very
simple:
it's
not
meant
to
be
delivered
exclusively
through
posts
on
social
media,
but
through
more
traditional
channels,
potentially
via
email
or
even
posted
at
a
community
center
at
a
church
or
some
other
means,
even
even
as
a
third
alternative,
to
be
mailed
as
a
postcard
to
zip
codes
around
the
city.
That
would
be
strategy.
Number
one
excuse
me
tactic.
D
So
those
are
the
two
very
short
and
very
easy
next
steps
that
we're
proposing
in
terms
of
our
outreach,
slash
engagement,
challenge,
which
is
perhaps
the
reason
why
many
folks
don't
know
about
us
is
because
they
don't
know
how
to
reach
us,
and
perhaps
that's
why
we
have
such
low
participation
when
we
go
out
into
the
community
and
expect
folks
to
come
to
our
meetings.
If
we
go
on
site
and
that's
all
for
now,.
A
This
is
anna
thanks,
so
much
jp.
My
question
I
guess
now
is:
is
jeremy
what
what's
next?
What
do
we
need
to
do
to
sort
of
carry
that
forward,
or
maybe
even
yeah,
jeremy
I'll
direct
that
to
you.
H
A
Wonderful
that
sounds
great
jp
and
since
mike's,
not
here
just
thanks
for
taking
the
lead
on
that
and
and
thinking
through
some
of
those
things
so
wendy
gonna
turn
it
over
to
you
to
quickly
share
whatever
update
you
have.
A
Okay,
we
will
say
no
update
today
and
then
add
that
to
the
agenda
next
week
or
next
month.
I'm
sorry,
sorry.
We
ran
out
of
time.
I
think
that
both
staff
presentations
were
very,
very
important,
and
it
was
also
important
for
us
to
have
discussion
after
each
of
those
presentations.
G
Go
ahead,
I
know
we're
out
of
time,
but
I
just
have
a
quick
point
of
information
or
order.
I'm
not
sure
is
this
an
appropriate
committee
to
talk
about
some
of
the
neighborhood
events
that
have
gone
on
like
open
streets
and
asheville
on
bikes,
or
is
that
something
I
can
say
I
can
save
that
for
next
time,
but.
A
Oh
wonderful,
I
would
say,
let's
go
ahead
and
that
information
can
certainly
be
shared
via
email
and
electronically
between
meetings
so
that
we
can,
when
bobette
and
jeremy,
and
I
get
that
information
from
you
all
and
we
huddle
up
for
sort
of
our
our
check-in
to
set
agendas
for
upcoming
meetings.
We
can
use
that
information
and
sort
of
plan
accordingly,
elizabeth,
I,
the
open
streets
on
thompson
street,
was
certainly
something
that
I
thought
of
that
might
be
really
interesting.
A
We're
getting
that
presentation
from
multimodal
on
wednesday
from
michael
stratton,
so
I'll
think
about
that
for
sure.
But
I'm
glad
I'm
glad
both
of
you
brought
that
up,
but
yeah,
please,
please
feel
free
to
utilize
email,
just
don't
reply
all,
and
then
we
are
avoiding
discussion.
A
Some
other
agenda
items
where
upcoming
meetings
include
the
board
training
that
we've
been
talking
about
a
community
resource
officers
update
where
we're
getting
yeah
just
information
on
on
that
program
and
then
also
the
water
department
wants
to
come
present
to
us
on
the
lead
and
copper
education
program.
So
we
will
hopefully
be
getting
that
at
our
next
meeting
as
well.
A
Our
final
item
of
the
night
is
the
scheduling
for
our
next
regular
meeting,
and
I
think
I've
maybe
seen
some
conflicting
information
november
gets
tricky
so
does
december
because
of
the
holidays,
and
so
jeremy
just
want
to
check
in
with
you
is
it?
Do
we
have
it
on
the
calendar?
Now
for
the
monday,
the
22nd
or
the
29th.
H
A
A
H
I
have
it
on
my
calendar
for
the
22nd
I
could.
I
could
be
wrong
and
it
could
be
the
29th,
but.
H
Calendar
22nd
so.
D
Yes,
I
will
not
be
in
town
that
day.
C
A
No
worries
so
it
sounds
like
the
29th
november.
29Th
is
our
next
meeting
date
thumbs
up
everybody
good,
okay,.
F
I
would
yes,
can
we
get
a
meeting
notification
ahead
of
time,
jeremy
because
I'm
so
swamped
with
meetings
of
what
I
do
that
I
didn't
have
this
and
I
was
kind
of
shocked
and
I
shouldn't
have
been.
I
should
have
known
it,
but
yes,
mind
sending
it
out,
so
I
can
get
it
on
my
computer
and
that
way
I'm
prepared.
H
I
don't
I'll
get
that
notification
about
sooner
so
this
week,
prior
to
that
over
the
friday
prior.
A
K
F
C
A
A
I
think
the
22nd
I'm
assuming
the
22nd,
was
being
treated
as
a
holiday
week.
Perhaps
I
don't
want
to
complicate
things.
I
am
fine
with
the
29th
that
I
actually,
I
would
prefer
the
29th,
but
if
anyone
has
any
strong
thoughts
or
feelings
otherwise
raise.
A
And
if
not
we'll
we'll
go
with
the
29th
and
we'll
work
to
get
out
a
calendar,
invite
to
folks
with
a
little
bit
more
lead
time.
Jeremy.
H
Sorry,
sorry,
anna
this
is
jeremy
and
I'm
sure
this
is
what
we're
about
to
get
to
to
your
point:
greta
yeah!
That's
why
you've
been
had
on
my
calendar
is
the
22nd
is
that
fourth
monday,
but
again
for
scheduling
purposes,
29th
works
best,
which
it
does
for
me
so,
but
we,
but
to
you
to
the
second
part.
We
will
be
keeping
it
on
the
fourth
monday
of
each
month.
A
Great
awesome,
all
things
considered,
I'm
not
too
upset
about
a
638
38
adjournment
time,
but
I
will
now
go
ahead
and
adjourn
the
meeting
unless
any
objections
so
adjourned
thanks
everyone,
and
we
will
see
you
next
month.
Thank
you.