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C
Thank
you
good
morning,
I'm
brian
moffett,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
meeting
of
the
actual
downtown
commission
for
december
10
2021.
The
actual
downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
urban
center
of
western
north
carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
C
In
addition,
downtown
commissioners
currently
fill
four
out
of
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design
review
committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district,
the
river
arts,
district
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
C
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
and
we
appreciate
everyone's
patience
as
we
continue
to
work
through
our
committee
meetings.
A
bit
differently.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
C
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
for
anyone
out
there
visiting
with
us
today.
Welcome
at
this
time
I
will
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
this
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
little
while
everyone
knows
to
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking,
if
you
have
a
question
and
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
or
device
after
you
are
done.
C
Speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
commissioner,
dane
barriger
for
his
last
meeting
hello
commissioner
franzi
chairman
for
her
last
meeting
good
morning,
commissioner
andrew
fletcher,
not
his
last
meeting
good
morning
good
morning,
did
I
see
kimberly
hunter.
C
No
okay,
stephen
lee
johnson.
C
Good
morning
I
am
here
robin
reigns
good
morning:
hey
guillo
rodriguez,
good
morning,
yeah
there
you
are
megan
rogers
morning,
ruth
summers,
our
vice
chair,
she's
waving
at
us,
you're,
muted,
ruth,
but
that's
good.
We
see
you
and
sage
turner,
our
city
council,
representative,
good
morning,
everyone!
C
Wonderful,
thank
you
all
for
coming
this
morning,
I
will
begin
to
work
through
our
agenda,
our
agenda
items
and
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'm
going
to
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
we
will
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
Commissioners,
you
know
to
raise
your
hand,
and
I
will
do
my
very
best
to
to
make
sure
everyone
gets
heard.
So
at
this
time
we
will
do
the
approval
of
the
draft
action
minutes
from
our
november
12
2021
meeting.
C
E
C
F
C
Wonderful,
the
draft
action
minutes
are
approved,
so
our
our
agenda
this
morning,
I
think
we've
got
one
small
public
comment
related
to
our
project
review.
I
will
talk
about
that.
When
we
go
through
the
project
review,
I
don't
think
we've
got
any
other
public
comment.
Is
that
correct?
C
So
we
have
project
review
development
impact
discussion
for
two
projects,
one
at
363
hillyard
and
one
at
123
haywood
street.
We're
going
to
discuss
recommendations
for
skills
and
attributes
of
new
commissioners
to
try
to
make
sure
we.
We
are
reviewing
those
correctly
we'll
go
through
our
updates
and
reports
for
design
review,
actual
downtown
association
in
the
downtown
and
then
we'll
have
an
informal
discussion
in
future
agenda
items
from
there.
So
with
that,
I
think
we
will
lead
into
the
project
review
development
impact
discussion
and
our
first
item
of
business
is
363
hillyard.
A
A
Many
of
you
were
on
the
commission
when
we,
when
we
reviewed
the
patent-placed
patent,
place
apartments
that
are
located
on
the
corner
of
patton
and
klingman
avenue.
This
is
the
an
assemblage
of
parcels
to
the
south.
You
can
see
there's
a
little
connection
there
that
connects
to
the
patent
place,
apartments
that
are
located
here
and
this
proposal
is
being
developed
by
the
same
development
group,
and
so
there
is
that
that
connection
and
is
like
patent
place.
It's
a
predominantly
residential
project.
A
There
is
also
frontage
on
pearl
street
here,
and
this
is
not
a
key
pedestrian
street.
Obviously
so,
building
one
is
a
five-story
mixed
use.
Building
with
about
fifteen
thousand
square
feet
of
commercial
at
the
ground
level
and
160
residential
units,
building
two
is
a
three-story
all-residential
building
with
36
units.
The
project
will
also
provide
off-street
parking.
It's
a
combination
of
surface
and
structured
parking
tucked
under
building
one
that
you
can
kind
of
see
through
the
footprint
there
and
the
project
went
through
trc
and
informal
design
review.
A
We've
been
able
to
review
the
project
enough
to
know
that
it
meets
almost
all
of
the
design
requirements
of
the
udo
for
a
downtown
project,
the
the
view
or
the
couple
instances
where
it
doesn't
it's,
it's
kind
of
to
be
understood,
given
the
nature
or
the
context
of
the
site,
for
instance
the
80
frontage
on
hilliard
and
just
to
kind
of
point
out
for
you
all.
There
is
a
large
if
you
look
at
the
utility
plan
and
the
site
plans,
there
is
a
large
sewer
and
storm
water
easement.
A
That
kind
of
runs
through
this
portion
of
the
site.
Where
this
little
surface
parking
lot
is,
so
they
can't
put
a
building
across
that,
so
that,
if
you,
if
you
remove
that
linear
frontage,
it
would
probably
meet
the
eighty
percent
frontage
and
you
can
tell
that
it
certainly
does
on
the
clingman
side.
A
Let's
say:
I'm
gonna
also
point
out
a
couple.
Things
related
to
the
elevations,
but
the
site
also
is
a
little
bit
unusual
in
that
it
provides
a
fair
amount
of
surface
parking.
That's
not
so
common
in
the
downtown.
The
downtown
design
guidelines
ask
for
parking
lots
to
be
screened
with
buildings
and
or
landscaping.
A
So
you
can
see
from
this
image
the
top
elevation
is
that
sort
of
that
bottom
l
on
hilliard.
So
this
is
the
facade
facing
hilliard.
A
You
can
see
the
ground
level-
commercial,
retail
that
was
that
15
000
square
feet
of
commercial
retail
that
wraps
the
corner
just
slightly
over
here
on
the
clingman
avenue
side,
and
then
you
can
see
how
clingman
avenue
rises
in
elevation
and
it
goes
from
a
five-story
building
to
a
four-story
building.
As
you
get
to
the
north
end
of
clingman
avenue,
you
can
tell
that
the
character
of
the
building
is
predominantly
residential.
A
There
are
a
few
well,
the
udo
requirement
for
percent
fenestration
at
the
ground
level
is
70
percent
it
that
is
not
quite
satisfied
on
either
of
these
hillyard
or
clingman
avenue.
Hillyard
is,
is
a
little
confusing
to
me,
because
the
applicant
indicates
it's
56.
It
certainly
has
a
ground
level,
commercial
appearance
with
quite
a
bit
of
glazing.
A
I'm
it's!
I
almost
wonder
if
that
calculation
is
accurate,
but
I'll.
Let
the
architect
speak
to
that
and
then
the
hill,
the
clingman
avenue
side,
because
it's
predominantly
residential
we
typically
find
that
there
is
less
fenestration
on
those
facades.
A
I
think
this
commission
has
discussed
this
in
the
past
and
there's
been
some
discussion
about
whether
or
not
when
you
have
ground
level
residential
if
we
should
change
that
administration
requirement,
so
these
are
udo
exceptions
that
can
be
modified
as
this
project
moves
through
the
conditional
zoning
process.
This
is
a
conditional,
a
level
three
conditional
zoning
application.
So
it
is
a
rezone
from
commercial
or
central
business
district
to
central
business
expansion
district,
which
basically
is
still
cbd
and
meets
all
that
still
has
all
the
same
cbd
requirements.
A
The
one
udo
standard
that
we
didn't-
I
don't
think,
we've
gotten
in
all
of
the
information
that
we
need
just
yet
is
the
screening
of
rooftop
mechanical
equipment,
so
we're
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
it
doesn't
meet
that
requirement.
I
think
we
just
maybe
perhaps
don't
have
enough
information
and
maybe
that's
something
the
architect
can
speak
to.
A
A
A
Materials
is
predominantly
fiber,
cement,
siding
and
panels,
combined
with
a
brick
veneer.
This
is
the
the
proposed
brick.
It's
a
general
shale
dutch
chocolate,
so
brown
there
are
some
retaining
walls,
also
on
the
property.
There's
the
screening
wall
for
the
pearl
street
side
against
the
parking
lot
and
then
there's
a
small
retaining
wall
here.
A
Well,
maybe
not
so
small,
but
not,
I
don't
think
it's
too
tall
in
height,
but
it's
got
some
length
to
it
here
on
the
corner
of
or
not
the
corner
corner
of
the
property,
the
northwest
corner,
but
facing
hillyard,
and
I
believe
this
is
also
supposed
to
be.
There's
planned
to
be
clad
in
a
brick
veneer.
A
The
applicant
has
provided
some
nice
renderings
that
kind
of
give
you
a
good
character
view
of
the
project
from
the
corner.
So
this
is
the
hillyard
street
side
and
then
the
clingman
avenue
street
side,
and
you
can
see
the
the
detailing
for
the
balconies
and
some
of
the.
A
Change
in
materials
kind
of
in
the
different
building
modules
and
then
scrolling
down.
This
is
a
view
of
that
three-story
building
looking
west
on
hilliard.
So
you
see
that
this
is
the
portion
of
the
building
one.
That's
got
the
commercial,
the
ground
level
commercial
on
it
and
then
up
this
way.
Excuse
me,
I
can't
see
my
cursor
up
to
this
way
would
be
pearl
street.
A
Just
this
project,
as
I
mentioned,
went
to
technical
review.
It's
also
been
before
the
design
review
committee
for
informal
review.
The
main
comments
that
came
out
of
that
informal
discussion.
Well,
there
was
a
comment.
General
comment
about
door
swings,
that's
something
that
comes
up
in
a
lot
of
our
downtown
projects,
just
to
try
to
make
sure
we
avoid
conflicts
and
and
other
issues
with
accessibility
materials.
I
think,
were
a
little
bit
of
a
concern,
especially
the
amount
of
fiber
cement,
siding
and
panels
that
were
used.
A
A
You
know
the
downtown
design
guidelines
speak
to
kind
of
breaking
up
long
facades,
with
a
change
in
materials
and
some
articulation
and
to
kind
of
establish
a
rhythm
which
this
project
does
definitely
break
it
up,
and
it
has
a
rhythm
to
it,
but
it's
almost
too
rhythmic
and
kind
of
creates
sort
of
a
long
kind
of
facade
that
you
know
the
rhythm,
almost
accentuates
the
length
of
the
facade,
and
so
there
was
a
recommendation
that
the
applicant
looked
at
ways
of
kind
of
breaking
that
up
and
it
they
did
do
a
little
bit.
A
I
think
of
articulation
and
some
some
changes
on
the
end
here
and
I
believe,
with
this
module
here.
I
think
it's
questionable
whether
or
not
that
succeeds
in
making
the
building
kind
of
read
like
more
than
one
building
to
staff.
Anyway,
it
still
continues
to
read
as
a
single
building
and
then
the
last
comment
had
to
do
with
the
residential
building
and
whether
or
not
this
this
hilliard
avenue
facade.
A
Pretty
well,
okay!
So
that's
my
summary
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
H
Shannon
do
you
remember
when
the
previous
project
came
and
we
reviewed
it?
I'm
sorry,
of
course
it
was
when
it
was.
I
can't
remember
the
group,
but
it
was
a
different
group
and
we
had
an
issue
with
the
clean
inside
the
speed
limit
and
street
trees,
and
we
were
trying
to
do
like
cascading,
vines
and
stuff.
H
I
had
a
meeting
with
this
development
team
about
this
review
and
design
and
stuff,
and
I
wondered
where
that
landed
with
them
and
the
conversation
we
had
with
the
previous
design
set
was
you
know,
d.o.t
doesn't
allow
a
street
tree
or
an
impediment
within
10
feet
of
a
street
that
is
35
miles
an
hour
or
higher.
So
there
have
been
talk
about
possibly
reducing
the
speed.
A
A
little
bit
so
that
came
up
in
technical
review.
You
know
we
know
that
when
a
downtown
project
is
on
a
ncdot
controlled
road,
you
know
that
there
is
that
concern
about
the
location
of
the
street
trees.
So
we
asked
for
some
verification
that
the
dot
was
okay
with
the
placement
of
the
trees
in
their
current
location.
As
shown
on
this
plan.
I
I
received
information
this
morning
that
the
dot
is
asking
that
they
relocate
those
trees
from
the
the
edge
of
pavement
to
inside
and
I'm.
A
I
was
a
little
unclear
if
it's
just
to
move
them
to
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
or
if
it
was
actually
a
plan
to
maybe
move
them
into
these
planting
areas,
but
that's
something
that
we're
waiting
for
more
specificity
on.
G
G
A
C
I
Muted,
I
know
that
we
want
to
activate
the
lower
levels
of
buildings,
but
I'm
just
wondering.
I
I
D
Thank
you,
stephen
lee.
Thank
you
ruth.
That's
that
point
that
you
bring
up
as
as
most
of
us
all
know,
including
you
I'm
sure,
given
what
you
do.
Every
thriving
city
in
the
united
states
is
dealing
with
this
challenge
in
their
ordinances
and
even
in
thriving
intersections
a
lot
of
these
lower
level.
Retail
spaces
are
either
empty
or
the
businesses
are
really
struggling.
So
I
think
that's
that's
a
very
important
discussion
for
us
to
have
the
speed
limit.
D
There
is
indeed
posted
with
sun
there
in
front
of
this
site
is
35
miles
an
hour.
So
I
would
like
to
recommend
that
as
a
matter
of
just
public
safety
and
not
really
this
project
that
the
city
consider
requesting
the
clingman
avenue
be
reduced
to
25
miles
an
hour.
D
In
addition
to
that,
where
this
project
is
indicating
a
new
sidewalk
along
cleanman,
they
are
having
to
contend
with
a
major
power
line
array.
That's
going
down
through
that.
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
with
street
trees.
On
that
I
was
on
the
downtown
commission
with
the
last
building.
The
first
building
came
through
for
this,
so
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
that
project
and
I
think
in
a
lot
of
ways
it
was
a
really
good
project.
D
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
I'm
really
excited
to
see
a
building
of
this
scale
going
here.
First
of
all,
and
especially
this
lot-
that's
been
vacant
for
so
long.
However,
my
personal
opinion
is
that
the
building
the
streetscape
is
lacking
any
sense
of
place
whatsoever.
So
this
this
whole
building
and
streetscape
routine
could
be
the
same
thing
that
you'd
see
designed
in
st
louis
missouri
or
mobile
alabama,
and
I
know
that
there
are
we're
looking
at
trc,
a
trc
set
the
compliance
set.
D
D
D
It
is
a
storm
system,
that's
being
suggested,
which
is
it's
great
that
it's
you
know,
handling
the
required
the
tension,
it's
improving
water
quality,
but
there's
a
lot
of
space
on
this
site
to
do
some
additional
elements.
And
again
I
look
at
the
plan
and
it
looks
like
almost
it's
a
compliance
plan.
It's
meeting
the
exact
minimum
standard
with
basically
no
creativity
laid
out
in
how
the
hardscape
functions
and
it
just
creates
no
sense
of
place.
These
are
key
pedestrian
streets,
and
so
yes,
we
have
10
foot
sidewalks.
D
Yes,
we
have
street
trees
in
tree
grates,
but
we're
missing
out
on
great
opportunities
along
hilliard
avenue,
where
there's
no
parallel
parking
along
that
curb.
Why
aren't
we
seeing
bmps
along
that
curb
for
storm
water?
The
storm
water
is
flowing
towards
the
curb
it's
a
perfect
scenario.
They
can
still
meet
their
requirements.
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
be
able
to
see
what
the
final
street
escape
plan
is
here.
The
is
looking
at
the
elevation
at
hilliard.
There's
a
21
foot
wide
slab
of
concrete
right.
D
There
there's
no
there's
no
definition
and
the
rendering
shows
something,
but
we
know
the
rendering
is
just
the
rendering,
and
it's
likely
that
you
know
we
need
to
see
that
articulation
in
a
plan,
and
I
could
go
on
for
days
on
this,
but
I
just
I
think
that
we're
missing
some
huge
opportunities
here.
C
Stephen
lee
for,
for
I
know
what
you
mean
by
bmp's,
okay.
For
for
our
audience,
could
you
describe
an
example
of
what
you
would
be
looking
for
regarding
bmps
on
the
hilliard
streetscape
and
some
of
the
hardscape
things.
D
Give
a
concrete
example
thing:
so
bnp
stands
for
best
management
practice
and
it
primarily
relates
to
storm
water.
D
It
goes
into
a
linear
planting
that
is
designed
to
retain
that
water
filter
cleanse
and
allow
it
to
permeate.
Naturally,
a
good
example
is
what
the
city
did
with
some
of
the
public
improvements
at
new
belgium
on
that
street.
There
there's
some
simple
things
that
could
be
done.
Every
active
I
mean
walk
the
street
to
nashville
and
look
and
see
what's
being
done
along
curbs
there
and
they're
beautiful.
D
D
I
just
seeing
these
plans
that
meet
absolute
bare
minimum
compliance,
provide
no
sense
of
place,
I'm
just
tired
of
it,
and
I,
the
city
of
asheville,
can
now
expect
and
request
more
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
the
tide
change
with
that.
A
C
Andrea,
but
I
want
to
I
want
stephen
lee
to
also
define
sense
of
place
if,
if
that's
okay,
because
I
think
that's
an
important
piece,
so
you
you
define
the
bmp
stephen
lee,
can
you
define
what
you
mean
by
some
place.
D
A
sense
of
place-
and
you
know
we're
so
lucky
here
asheville-
it
is
so
easy
to
create
a
sense
of
place
here
in
asheville
because
we're
a
creative
community.
If
we're
in
mobile
alabama,
I
don't
mean
or
montgomery
or
wherever
it's
a
little
bit
more
difficult
at
times,
but
just
showing
a
level
of
creativity,
a
place
with
public
art,
and
you
know
a
a
recognition
of
sustainability.
D
There's
the
whole
face
of
this
building
on
clingman
avenue
is
the
hottest
west
southwest
side.
You
could
ever
imagine
those
people
can't
use
those
balconies
in
the
summertime.
Why
not
show
some
green
screen
along
the
side
of
that
building
like
the
previous
submittal?
Did
they
really
tried
to
address
it
in
the
previous
one
somewhat?
But
these
are
simple
elements.
D
Folks,
it
just
takes
one
extra
layer
of
thought
to
pull
it
through,
but
demonstrating
a
sense
of
sustainability,
demonstrating
a
desire
to
have
a
creative
artistic
approach,
not
a
mural
on
the
building,
but
maybe
with
public
art.
The
the
the
the
rendering
there
which
looks
nice
demonstrates
a
little
bit
that
of
like
classic
interesting
containers
that
are
on
the
street.
Look
at
the
look
at
the
streetscape
at
the
grove
arcade
classical
beautiful
containers
that
speak
well
to
the
building.
D
The
classic
design
of
that
you
know
are
some
containers
that
are
the
right
scale
and
show
it
to
us
at
at
that
level.
When
you
get
those
drawings
developed
and
not
you
know
the
trc
set,
because
that's
what's
going
to
get
built,
guarantee
it
but
creative
designs
that
are
well
thought
out.
That
show
a
a
strong
desire
to
respond
to
sustainability
with
storm
water
with
sunlight
and
also
with
you
know,
a
defined
architectural
style.
D
I
won't
get
into
that
element,
but
that
speaks
to
asheville
and
it
could
be
modern,
and
you
know
I
think
they
probably
could
say
they've
done
that
in
some
ways
here,
but
this
building's
the
same
exact
building
is
in
charlotte
north
carolina
and
raleigh,
but
as
a
as
a
landscape
architect,
I
work
for
clients
that,
and
there
there's
the
other
designers
on
this
commission
that
do
too
we
realize
what
budgets
are,
and
you
know
this
building
can't
be
clad
in
limestone
and
marvel.
D
We
realize
that
this
apartment
building,
but
it
does
not
cost
money
to
be
more
creative
and
address
these
streetscape
issues.
It's
just
I
mean
it's,
the
intersection
of
clingman
avenue
and
hilliard
come
on
folks
I
mean
it's.
It
could
be
an
intersection
in
south
asheville,
two
blocks
off
of
hendersonville
road.
It's
the
same
exact
design.
I
need
to
be
quiet.
J
Yeah
steven,
you
said
a
lot
that
I
would
have
loved
to
have
said,
so
I
don't
need
to
repeat
you,
but
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna,
be
in
solidarity
with
you
steven
that
was.
That
was
great.
I
I
gotta
say
one
my
so
I
live
on
clingman
avenue,
so
literally
the
storm
water
is
gonna.
Come
off
of
this
land
is
going
to
run
behind
my
house.
J
The
traffic
that
is
going
to
you
know
go
here.
You're
going
to
these
people
are
going
to
be
my
neighbors.
These
are
going
to
be
businesses
that
I
walk
to.
I
mean,
assuming
I
keep
my
lease
anyway,
so
you
know
this
is
kind
of
right.
This
is
right
at
home
for
me
and
I'm
excited
to
see
something
go
in
this
spot.
So
I'm
you
know,
that's
not!
I'm
not
anti-development
on
this.
I'm
excited
to
see
something
go
on
this
this
spot.
J
I've
been
been
waiting
to
to
to
see
that,
but
man
talk
about
missed
opportunities.
Also,
just
the
the
first
thing
we'll
say
totally
35
miles
per
hour
is
too
fast
for
clingman
avenue.
If
you
drive
35
miles
per
hour
down
here,
all
the
ncdot
roads,
I
think,
are
sort
of
set
at
35
miles
per
hour.
Mainly
I
mean
I
know,
I
know
biltmore
avenue
is
clingman
avenue.
Is
I
work
on
biltmore
avenue
and
I
live
on
clingman
avenue
and
the
irresponsibility
of
the
d.o.t.
J
Maintaining
these
roads
at
35
miles
per
hour
is
is
just
completely
wrong
if
you
35
it's
weight
is,
is
too
fast
to
go
on
either
of
those
streets.
So
if
this
is
wrapped
up
into
a
bigger
look
at
all
of
the
speed
limits
that
ncdot
manages
in
downtown
in
environs,
like,
I
think
that's
great,
if
the
net,
I
think,
should
should
totally
be
cast
a
little
wider
than
just
clement
avenue
as
long
as
you're.
J
J
Car
storage
isn't
going
to
be
that
profitable
for
the
for
the
for
anyone.
It
doesn't
look
like
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
parking.
Doesn't
look
like
it's
accessible
to
the
building
without
a
really
long
walk
anyway,
I
don't
see
any
access
into
the
building
on
that
ground
floor.
I
think,
except
on
the
the
hilliard
side,
and
you
know
they're
the
the
after.
J
This
is
prime
bikeable
area
and
the
afterthought
of
other
modes
of
transportation
in
this
and
the
primacy
of
of
car
transportation
that
is
represented
in
this
design
feels
like
the
world.
We're
leaving
behind.
Not
does
not
feel
like
the
world
that
we
are
moving
to
and
those
you
know,
minimum
compliance
standards.
That's
how
you
get
charlotte,
that's
how
you
get
those
other
places
that
we
talked
about
decades
of
minimum
compliance
standards
and
that
that
erased
those
places
had
senses
of
place
had
we
still
have
ours.
J
You
know
if
we
want
to
erase
our
sense
of
place
yeah,
let's
just
copy
and
paste
this
over
and
over
again,
you
know
this
is
I'm
really
excited
to
see
something
go
here,
but
I
can't
I
couldn't
imagine
spending
five
years
in
architecture
school
to
make
this.
J
You
know
I
it
feels
like
as
a
jazz
musician.
It
feels
like
taking
my
years
of
experience
to
make
elevator
music
or
something
like
what
is
compelling
about
about
the
artistry
and
beauty
of
architecture
career.
That
would
lead
you
to
do
this.
I
know
that
there's
budgets
are
real,
you
know
and
hey
a
gig's,
a
gig,
but
man
next.
C
F
Thank
you
steven
lee,
I
think
you
you,
you
put
it
as
as
well
as
any
of
us
designers
could
have
done
this.
The
what's
happening
on
the
street
is
just
sort
of
minimal
and
thank
you
for
putting
it
that
way.
Andrew.
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
as
well.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
back.
We
were
talking
about
how
there's
sort
of
the
repetition
of
that
long
side
where
it
could
be
broken
up
into
more
materials.
F
I've
been
driving
along
broadway
down
towards
the
unc
campus,
a
lot
lately
and
there's
an
entire
row.
It
looks
like
several
blocks
of
what
looked
like
townhouses,
but
there's
hardly
any
change
in
material
along
those
townhouses
and
it's
kind
of
a
bit
overwhelming
as
you're
driving
by
there.
You
see
just
nothing,
but
these
same
brown
gr.
You
know
brownstone
houses
and
I
hate
to
see
that
sort
of
feeling
here
they're
trying
to
break
it
up,
but
I
think
a
little
more
attention
to
changing
materials
would
help
to
relieve
that
monotony
along
that
facade.
C
Wonderful,
so
we've
had
folks
talk
about
the
parking
multimodal
aspect.
Ruth
devel
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
economic
development,
local
business
aspect
I
think
we've
hit
on
livability
we've
got.
We've
had
some
aspects
to
urban
design,
sustainability
balance
of
uses.
I
think
some
you
know
we
would
need
to
see
some
attention
to
the
lighting
plan
and
addressing
some
public
safety
issues.
C
We've
talked
about
how
this,
I
think
it
does
align
with
the
downtown
master
plan
in
terms
of
this
is
the
the
right
kind
of
use
in
the
right
place
and-
and
I
do
appreciate
the
way
they
pulled
the
building
off
of
hilliard
to
create.
You
know
a
opportunity,
at
least
even
if
they're
not
taking
advantage
of
it.
C
For
you
know
a
really
activated
pedestrian
experience
there,
I'm
going
to
save
my
fire
for
the
architecture,
building
design
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
rant
as
epic
as
stevens
on
the
on
the
charlante
they're,
trying
to
shove
down
our
throats
for
the
design
review
committee.
We've
talked
about
stormwater.
C
Are
there
any
other
comments
that
you
would
like
to
pass
on
to
staff
so
that
this
gets
put
into
the
report
for
council
to
consider
as
this
moves
through.
C
I
The
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say-
and
I
know
how
andrew
feels
about
parking
and
lots
of
parking
spaces,
but
I
do
have
to
speak
up
for
senior
citizens
who
need
to
get
to
the
grocery
store,
who
maybe
can't
ride
a
bus.
I
They
don't
want
to
take
uber
because
they
can't
afford
uber
or
whatever,
but
I
know
for
me.
I
unfortunately
use
a
car,
because
I've
had
some
orthopedic
issues
and
I
still
walk.
I
still
walk
downtown,
but
I
need
a
car
to
get
to
the
grocery
store
or
I
need
a
car
to
get
to
a
doctor's
appointment.
So
I
think
you
know
getting
rid
of
all
of
the
parking.
I
would
be
totally
against
that.
K
K
I
believe
the
hayward
street
congregation
project
that,
if
it
goes
forward,
would
it
impact
this
intersection.
I
think
duke
is
planning
to
parcel
off
its
properties
there.
So
this
just
seems
like
a
good
time
to
address
traffic
flow
and
pedestrian
safety
and
multimodal
of
that
entire
intersection,
and
then
I
certainly
can't
beat
what
steven
lee
and
andrew
said,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
stand
in
solidarity
with
both
of
you.
So
thanks
for
those.
H
One
last
thing:
I'm
not
sure
which
meetings
came
up
in,
but
you
know
the
properties
on
the
other
side
of
klingman,
the
least
feeder
car
dealership
that
mountain
goats.
I
think
that
there
could
be
some
foresight
with
that
particular
parcel,
and
who
knows
I
mean
these
guys
did
the
patent
one
now
the
patent
two,
maybe
they'll,
try
and
make
a
move
over
there
when
these
parcels
come
up,
but
that
could
be
our
opportunity
to
widen
streets
or
ensure
that
street
trees
are
on
that
side
or
something
like
that.
A
Thank
you.
I
just
realized.
I
neglected
to
mention
that
this
project
is
required
to
do
a
traffic
impact
study,
and
that
is
in
development
right
now
and
will
be
reviewed
in
more
detail
before
it
goes
to
the
plane.
Zoning
commission,
so
it
is,
the
traffic
will
be
examined
with
this
project,
and
projects
of
a
similar
size
and
scale
would
also
trigger
a
traffic
impact
study.
So
if,
when
the
time
comes
that
the
duke
property
gets
developed,
it
would
likely
also
trigger
a
traffic
impact
study.
So
hopefully
this
corridor
will
be
examined
appropriately.
J
So
there
was
a,
I
believe
there
was
a
a
note
in
the
minutes
from
the
weeknd
neighborhood
this
this
this
week
that
there's
some
early
discussion
about
widening
clingman
avenue
to
include
a
left-hand
turn
lane
shannon's,
not
in
your
head.
That's.
A
J
Yeah
that
that
I
think
those
are
both
really
positive
and
needed,
just
as
somebody
who's
driving
through
here
all
the
time,
because
the
road's
like
almost
wide
enough
to
do
left
turns
so
you
got
people
that
kind
of
make
it
happen,
and
people
sneak
over
on
the
right.
And
you
know
people
are
just
improvising
and
it's
not
super
safe,
but
they're
making
use
of
asphalt.
That's
there.
J
But
I
know
in
the
the
neighborhood
plan
there
was
a
vision
for
this
area
that
put
that
showed
a
unique
roundabout
in
this
location,
which
I
thought
was
really
neat
and
that
doesn't
seem
to
have
gotten
any
traction.
But
if,
if
it
it's
gonna
that
that
ideal
will
be
dead,
if
we,
if,
if
you
develop
a
third
corner
of
this
of
this
property,
I
think
that
once
with
with
two
corners
developed,
I
think
you
can.
You
can
still
probably
still
fit
around
about
in,
but
now
with
three.
J
I
think
that
you're
you're
that
you're
gonna
be
boxed
out
of
that
so
yeah
the
the
infrastructure
around
this.
I
would
really
like
to
see
concern
and
I
think
that
it's
part
of
the
cz
process
that
there
is
there
there
probably
is
more
ability
to
have
those
conversations
about
about
about
that.
So
I
I
hope
that
that
gets
happening
before
they're
too
much
is
going,
is
going
forward
here
and
ruth
absolutely.
You
know.
J
People
need
accessibility,
no
matter
what
the
accessibility
they
need,
but
so
getting
rid
of
all
parking
for
a
spot
like
this
is
just
like
that.
No,
no,
that's
not
exactly
what
I'm
saying,
but
where
there's
201
parking
spots
here
and
160
units
and
it
that
just
really
seems
to
be
complete
overkill
for
for
this
location,
you
know
in
a
prime
bikeable,
just
buses
are
driving
by
here,
every
15
minutes.
J
I
think
at
least
you
know
there's
so
I
know,
there's
there's
always
a
handful
of
folks
that
need
four
wheels
under
him
to
get
around
and
get
to
the
grocery
store,
but
there's
so
much
potential
to
do
for
for
other
modes
of
transportation.
In
this
location.
It's
not.
This
is
not
south
asheville
franzi.
E
Yeah,
no,
I
I
agree
with
so
much
that
has
been
said
and
thank
you
steven
lee
for
all
your
comments.
I
also
maybe
wanted
to
add
a
little
something
to
that
is
that
you
know:
we've
talked
about
gateways
in
asheville
and
how
important
the
gateways
to
different
areas
of
our
community
are
and
to
really
make
those
stand
out,
and
I
think
this
is
an
ideal
place
for
that
type
of
idea.
I
mean
this
is
basically
the
gateway
to
the
river
arts
district.
E
You
know,
and
it's
also
on
the
other
side,
the
gateway,
a
gateway
to
downtown.
So
maybe
that
adds
a
little
fuel
to
the
fire
of
really
thinking
intentionally
of
how
we
design
these
these
places
in
these
intersections
and
how
how
important
we
make
these
gateways
versus
just
catering
to
development
as
usual,
anywhere
usa,.
C
This
has
been
a
great
discussion.
We
really
need
to
wrap
it
up
and
move
on
to
the
next
item.
Any
I'm
gonna
give
you
one
last
chance
to
give
staff
some
input
and
then
tune
in
for
the
drc.
Final
review.
C
You
know
there's
there's
a
lot
to
like
about
this
project
and
I
don't
want
the
developers
to
to
walk
away
thinking
that
we're
just
you
know,
they've
done
enough
right.
They
need
to
do
the
rest
of
it
right.
I'll,
put
it
that
way.
Okay,
so
with
that,
I
will
move
on
to
123
heywood.
G
G
Weird,
okay,
let's
see
so,
this
project
is
just
as
a
reminder
on
these
two
lots
just
to
the
east
of
the
240
ramp
at
haywood
street,
and
so
it's
a
pretty
small
project
area,
and
so
this
project
was
originally
developed
as
a
condo
building
and
they
are
looking
to
turn
it
to
a
small
hotel
which
is
allowable
by
our
regs,
which
would
be
a
level
one
and
in
the
last
iteration
it
did
not
meet
our
two-story
minimum,
so
they
have
reworked
their
plans.
G
G
It
doesn't
have
to
be
exactly
retail,
but
it
has
to
be
like
a
small
business.
We're
kind
of
a
separate,
occupiable
space,
so
part
of
the
idea
here
is
that
we're
we
are
creating
space
for
small
business
owners
right,
that's
not
just
hotel
lobbies,
and
so
I
think
they
lost
some
square
footage
on
the
back
of
the
building.
G
G
There
we
at
the
last
design
review
committee
meeting
we
they
were
not.
They
were
originally
scheduled
for
formal,
but
they
weren't
meeting
requirements.
So
we
took
them
off,
but
we
did
an
informal
review.
There
were
brian.
There
were
some
comments
about
the
architecture
and
kind
of
this
space
between
the
levels
of
windows
and
how
thick
or
thin
that
was-
and
I
do
have
the
old
drawings
or
old
renderings.
If
you
want
me
to
go
back
to
those.
G
This
project
did
receive
alternative
compliance
for
street
trees
along
haywood
street.
I
think
they
have
got
other
trees,
they're
planting.
I
think,
there's
some
sort
of
utility
lines
here
under
the
sidewalk
that
are
difficult
to
plant
around.
G
And
that's:
this
is
pretty
much
what
they
submitted.
I
do
also
have.
Let's
see
these
were
the
older
drawings.
G
G
So
I
don't
have
an
elaborate
presentation
for
you
all.
I
mean
they
really
it's
it's
mostly.
This
review
is
mostly
about
the
building.
C
Okay,
stephen
lee:
that's
the
oh
yeah,
okay
couple
of
hands
go
ahead!
Thank
you.
D
Is
is
this
going
to
come
back
before
the
design
review
committee?
Yes,.
D
Okay,
all
right,
I
think
I'm
gonna
hold
comments
actually
until
then,
but
yeah
we,
this
will
give
us
some
time
to
think
about
it
too.
Thank
you.
C
So
are:
is
this
sasha?
Is
this
considered
an
amended
application
to
their
previous
application?
Is
that
is
that
all
they're
doing,
or
is
this
a
brand
new
application?
What
is
this.
G
G
C
Okay,
it
does
it
does
I
guys,
I'm
so
sorry,
I
didn't
see
who
put
their
hand
up
first,
I'm
gonna
go
alphabetically
andrew.
J
Yeah,
so
I'm
confused,
there's
like
conflicting
information.
That's
out
there
I
mean
the
the
packet
says
that
this
is
condos.
The
application
is
for
a
hotel
and
on
the
internet
there
are
condo
units
for
sale.
You
go
to
beverly.hanks.com.
These
are
these.
Are
these
units
are
listed
for
sale?
Still
like
I,
don't
it
this
it's.
I
feel
like
what
is
this
egg
gonna
hatch?
J
G
Well,
I
don't
think
you
know.
Ownership
is
not
something
we
really
consider
in
reviews.
It's
not.
We
legally
can't
consider
that,
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
small
extended
stay
hotel,
so
they
are
kind
of
getting
under
the
under
the
the
wire
here
you
know
next
week
I
think
council
will
be
considering
the
amendment
and
the
ordinance
change
right.
So
I
don't
think
it's
dissimilar
to
some
of
the
other
projects.
You've
reviewed.
J
Yeah,
but
you
know
the
the
pace
of
people
coming
and
going
is
related
to
what's
going
on
inside
the
building
and
how,
if
I
don't
know
what
that,
if
we
don't
know
what
that
is
like,
how
can
we
talk
about
street
trees
and
frontage
and,
like
the
the
other
components
of
of
review,
that
we
have
to
do
that
are
in
the
public
realm
like
what
goes
on
inside
a
building
affects
what
goes
on
in
front
of
that
building.
J
As
far
as
like
when
the
traffic
is,
you
know,
it's
like
you
know,
residents
are
gonna,
be
tr
resident
traffic
is
gonna,
be
spread
throughout
the
week.
Probably
you
know,
hotel
traffic
is
gonna,
be
concentrated
on
weekends.
They
need
different.
You
know
they
need
different
types
of
infrastructure
for
different
types
of
uses,
so
so
there's
just
a
reality
to
it
that
that
I
think
you
have
to
acknowledge.
G
F
Yes,
really
quickly,
andrew,
you
said
egg
as
soon
as
this
picture
propped
up,
I
thought:
can
it
be
toned
down,
it's
really
bright
and
it's
just
kind
of
glaring
and
if
I
would
request
that,
the
that
the
result
design
review
committee
talk
about
maybe
muting
that
pure
white
facade
a
little
bit
to
make
it
less
vague.
C
C
You
know
it's
just
like
if
you're
gonna,
I
don't
know,
there's
something
weird
going
on,
but
I'll
try
to
save
that
for
design
review.
Any
other
comments
on
this
revised
proposal
that
so
again
think
about
what
you
want
us
on
the
design
review
to
really
cover.
So
I've
heard
some
items
regarding
street
trees
regarding
the
the
how
the
use
the
projected
use
of
the
building
will
impact
traffic
and
the
multi
multimodal
aspects
as
well
as
public
safety.
C
Oh
I'm
sorry,
dana
didn't
see
your
hand
and
then
stephen
lee
again.
L
Because
it
seems,
like
you
know,
we've
we're
seeing
developers
are
trying
to
push
the
limits
of
the
the
small
hotel
overlay.
We've
got
one
right
across
the
street
from
us,
you
know,
that's,
you
know
in
the
works,
and
I
guess
that's
just
something
we
have
to
be
aware
of.
I
mean
I
like
this
small
hotel
concept
and
they
they
just
are
trying
to
push
the
limit.
You
know
as
far
as
they
can
go
and
that's
something
I
think
we
need
to
push
back
on.
L
L
D
D
I
remember
the
first
rendition
that
came
out
when
it
was
the
condo
the
view
that
we
see
on
the
screen
there
right
now.
There
was
a
really
nice
pedestrian
courtyard
space.
There
was
a
chunk
cut
out
of
the
building,
and
since
I
saw
this
last
couple
weeks
ago,
there's
an
infill
that's
occurred,
whether
it's
good
or
bad
whatever,
but
we're
losing
that
articulation
in
the
building
that
I
thought
really
made
it
interesting
and
a
bit
unique.
D
We
design
reviews
saw
it
a
couple
weeks
ago.
They
were
showing
the
removal
of
that
courtyard,
but
it
was
just
to
put
in
a
one-level
retail
space
to
meet
the
code
requirements
for
a
hotel,
but
that
design
had
a
really
interesting
green
roof
on
it,
and
it
still
had
very
interesting
rhythm
that
drew
you
into
the
front
door,
and
I
thought
it
was.
It
was
really
interesting,
so
if
the
developer
and
or
the
design
team
were
listening
on
it
right
now,
I
think
that
they
need
to
be
prepared.
D
I
guess
for
a
couple
things
one
is
that
we're
going
to
have
some
very
distinctive
comments
to
share,
but
at
the
design
review
committee
upcoming,
but
we
really
do
need
for
you
to
share
with
us
what
you're
doing
to
maintain
that
same
level
that
we
saw
earlier
and
then
also
as
a
hotel.
We
do
have
the
ability
now
on
this
specific
project,
to
make
some
very
specific
requests
that
I
think,
would
be
very
fair
like
what
are
you
doing
to
make
this
building
sustainable?
D
Are
you
helping
to
try
to
address
climate
change?
I
think
the
roof
terrace
is
actually
really
interesting,
but
why
not
throw
some
green
up
there
get
some
green
roof
going
up
there.
Just
we
need
to
see
the
next
level
that
goes
into
making
this
a
special
space
and
I'll
preserve
the
remainder
of
my
comments
for
the
time
review
committee
thanks.
G
And
I'll
just
if
I
could
just
really
quickly
address,
maybe
this
is
obvious
to
everybody
but
address
what
stephen
lee
is
talking
about
here.
This
the
building
did
have
a
courtyard
here
on
the
on
the
right
side.
It
was
a
much
it
was
a
shorter
building.
It
had
a
courtyard
and
because
the
hote,
the
50
requirement
of
activating
a
frontage.
It
basically
was
such
a
short
frontage
and
a
small
site.
G
Once
you
use
up
this
space
to
create
a
driveway
into
your
parking
deck
and
you
need
an
entrance
and
an
elevator,
you
know
and
you've
got
backflow
prevention.
You
know
all
the
things
that
have
to
be
near
the
front
of
the
building
and
then
we
added
on
the
50
activation.
We
basically
forced
them
out
of
that
courtyard.
G
Now,
that's
not
to
say
you
couldn't
have
a
courtyard
in
the
back,
but
then
you've
got
the
parking
needs.
So
it's
it's
like
all
those
it's
partly
really
site,
driven
right,
because
it's
such
a
small
site
just
so
that
everybody
understands
that
if
you,
if
you
were
on
a
bigger
site,
you
would
have
more
options.
C
C
All
right
robin
you
don't
need
any
okay,
any
other
comments
to
pass
along
to
staff
and
and
also
design
review,
to
make
sure
we
we
catch
everything.
You
guys
want
us
to
look
at.
A
G
G
C
That's
a
whole
other
topic:
okay,
stephen
lee
go
ahead.
D
I'd
just
like
to
add
robin
to
your
comment
there,
as
you
know,
fortunately
they're
good
architects
at
the
table.
This
is
a
really
good
firm.
That's
doing
this
project,
so
I'd
just
like
to
add
that
thanks.
C
Yeah
and
shannon
threw
a
comment
in
that
you
know
they
could
do
just
a
cz
for
this
project,
which
might
be
might
be
a
good
way
to
do
it,
especially
with
the
street
tree
and
some
of
that
other
stuff,
and
it
was
a
shame
to
lose
the
the
little
courtyard
and
yeah
anyway.
We'll
keep
moving
andrew
go
ahead.
J
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
note
that
we're
going
from
luxury
condos
to
hotel
usage-
and
there
is
this-
is
an
example
of
something
that's
happening
economically
in
this
town,
which
is
that
when
even
luxury
condos
are
getting
replaced
by
hotel
usage
man,
we're
sunk
as
far
as
like
are
the
the
dream
of
like
affordable
housing
arising
on
its
own
or,
like
the
private
market.
You
know,
making
housing
that's
gonna
fill
gaps
when
even
luxury
housing
can't
is
going
to
fold
in
the
face
of
of
an
opportunity
to
become
hotels.
J
I
mean
this
is
a
20
000
square
foot
hole
in
our
hotel
policy
in
this
in
downtown
and
in
and
in
the
city,
is
what
is
what
this
represents
in
that
it
is
taking
it
is.
It
is.
I
know
that
we
have
a
housing
crunch
at
like
every
level,
but
when
but-
and
I'm
used
to
to
the
idea
that
like
affordable
housing
is,
is
going
to
get
supplanted
by
hotel
uses.
But
boy,
oh
boy,
are
we
in
trouble
if
even
luxury
housing
is
gonna,
get
replaced
by
hotel
usage?
J
I
mean
that
is
that
that
should
scare
people
of
a
lot
more
income
brackets
than
than
just
mine.
So
that's
a
that's
a
big
note
about.
I
think
the
wrong
direction
that
we're
going
in
with
our
approach
to
hotel
regulations,
and
I
think
this
is
a
a
20
000
square
foot
hole
as
an
example
of
of
of
how
we
have
not
gotten
it
right.
C
Very
good,
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
input.
I
think
we've
given
multiple
the
staff
and
the
members
of
drc
that
are
here
plenty
of
stuff
to
to
take
a
look
at
and
we'll
communicate
these
items
back
to
the
applicants
and
then
we'll
we'll
communicate
again
with
them
when
they
go
through
design
review
committee
and
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
item
of
business.
So
dana
has
been
working
pretty
hard,
putting
together
a
survey
that
I
know
a
good
number
of
you
have
already
completed.
C
Regarding
your
your
you
know
the
skills
and
recommendations
of
our
current
group
and
what
we
see
as
gaps
and
and
how
we
can
best
serve
our
our
our
community
and
our
in
our
city
and
our
and
and
fulfill
our
charter
by
moving
forward,
and
so
I
appreciate
that,
and
so
far
it
looks
like
the
the
top
needs
would
be.
The
top
two
needs
currently
are
representation
of
otherwise.
C
Under
representative
perspective,
they
should
have
a
greater
voice
in
downtown
policy
and
planning,
and
then
the
the
next
item
would
be
cross-sector
coordination
and
leadership,
basically
representing
other
sectors,
downtown
coordinating
on
problem,
solving
sharing
information,
etc,
and
then
a
three
folks
so
far
have
communicated
economic
development,
downtown
business
knowledge
and
or
perspective.
C
So
so,
as
we
take
time
this
morning
to
thank
the
the
what
franzi
and
dane
have
brought
to
the
table
and
we
can't
really
replace
them,
but
we
we
need
voices
like
theirs
on
this
commission,
you
know
people
who
actually
live
downtown,
who
have
started
multiple
business
and
businesses
and
can
continue
to
to
work
to
speak
to
different
population
groups
and
talk
about
coordination
among
those
population
groups.
So
any
other
comments
or
what?
What
am
I
missing,
dana
on
speaking
to
this
so
far,.
B
Just
that
the
deadline
for
new
applications
is
december,
20th
and
council
appointments
will
be
made
january
11th
so
and
brian
as
chair
will
have
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
to
make
recommendations
on
that
decision.
So
if
there's
any
other
qualities
appreciate
all
the
feedback
through
the
survey,
but
anything
else
you
all
want
to
discuss
today
that
that
should
be
represented
and
passed
along.
C
Basically,
to
make
sure
that,
when
we're
reviewing
those
applications,
when
I'm
reviewing
those
applications,
especially
that
I
know
what
you
guys
are
looking
for
and
I
I
am
accurately
I'm
reviewing
those
to
to
to
weigh
those
applications
so
that
we
we
we
get
the
representation
that
that
is
best
for
the
city.
C
No
further
thoughts
on
that
good.
So,
if
you
haven't
done
that
survey,
please
do
and
with
that
we'll
move
into
updates
and
reports
whoa
we're
on
time.
That's
amazing
design,
review
committee,
stephen
lee.
D
So
our
meeting
in
november
simply
did
the
preliminary
review
for
123
haywood
street,
which
we
just
discussed
and
we're
seeing
again,
and
that
was
it.
C
But
I'm
not
bitter
asheville,
downtown
association.
K
So
events
wise,
we
were
able
to
pull
off
a
successful
parade
last
month.
It
was
really
nice
to
bring
it
be
able
to
excuse
me
bring
that
back
to
our
community.
So
thanks
to
all
the
sponsors
and
folks
in
the
parade,
including
andrew
and
dane,
for
you
know,
for
helping
us
bring
that
back
to
our
community.
We
judged
our
holiday
windows
and
announced
those
winners
earlier
this
week
and
we've
created
a
downtown
custom.
K
Google
map
of
downtown
businesses
that
have
holiday
displays
so
that
people
can
enjoy
those
throughout
the
holiday
season
and
then
planning
for
what
I
hope
will
be
a
full
series
of
events
for
2022
and
just
a
little
teaser
of
something
that
we're
working
on.
K
We
feel
the
need
to
show
to
the
community
and
to
our
our
leadership
what
the
value
of
downtown
is
and
the
importance
of
a
successful,
vibrant,
healthy
downtown,
is
to
our
entire
region,
so
we're
working
on
a
a
project
that
will
be
really
two
pieces.
The
first
is
a
a
really
data
driven
piece,
so
looking
at
what
is
the
value
of
downtown?
How
does
that
impact
the
rest
of
the
community?
K
How
many
jobs
are
supported
by
downtown
businesses,
how
much
investment
has
the
city
or
county
made
into
downtown
and
then
the
second
piece
of
that
is
kind
of
the
more
emotional
piece
right
trying
to
to
reconnect
our
citizens
to
their
downtown
and
show
them
how
important
it
is,
and
that
would
be
done
through
a
series
of
short
videos.
K
It's
our
intention
to
launch
this
project
at
our
state
of
downtown
luncheon,
which
is
typically
the
end
of
february,
possibly
early
march,
and
then
work
on
the
project
throughout
the
year
with
the
culmination
at
the
2023
state
of
downtown.
So
I
will
be
bringing
that
to
you
guys
more.
I
think
it's
important
that
that
you
have
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
that
if
you're
interested,
but
that
is
our
plan
moving
forward.
C
Great,
that's
great
downtown
update
report.
B
B
B
Ramada
inn
permanent
supportive
housing.
So
this
is
not
downtown,
but
I
think
it's
relevant
information
to
share
the
city
had
planned
for
an
emergency,
low
barrier,
shelter
and
those
plans
changed
and
is
pursuing
at
this
point,
the
possibility
of
permanent
supportive
housing
there's
a
meeting
held
earlier
this
week,
and
I
would
just
encourage
you
all
to
check
out
the
video
if
you
can
there's
a
lot
of
great
information
about,
what's
being
planned
there
and
the
city's
approach
to
addressing
homelessness
generally.
B
So
I
just
encourage
you
all
to
to
take
a
look
and
that's
going
to
counsel.
I
believe
this
upcoming
tuesday.
B
American
rescue
plan
act,
staff
is
still
reviewing.
Applications
that
were
submitted
and
and
recommendations
for
funding
will
be
going
to
council
in
january.
At
their
january
11th
meeting,
let's
see
development
project
updates.
We
discussed
the
next
design
review
committee
meets
next
week
on
december
16th.
I
know
that's
all
going
to
be
a
big
meeting
day
for
several
of
you.
B
B
So
just
highlighting
that
a
few
items
on
the
upcoming
council
agenda
on
tuesday.
B
And
buncombe
county
recently,
a
couple
weeks
ago
extended
the
indoor
face
covering
requirements
for
indoor
public
spaces,
including
commercial
spaces,
so
that's
in
effect
until
january
5th,
and
that's
what
I've
got
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
J
I
have
a
quick
question:
are
our
meeting
policies
as
far
as
remote
versus
not
remote?
Is
it
linked
to
the
mask
mandate
directly
or
is
it
after
the
mask
mandate?
Then
we
ask
some
other
questions
before
we
decide
to
go
in
person
again.
B
L
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
I
wanted
to
mention
that
landren
haley
just
recently
got
repaved
and
it's
looking
great.
So
thank
you.
Dana.
H
H
That
was
the
first
box
that
allowed
the
virtual
meetings
and
had
all
those
statutes
about
how
they
were
carried
out
and
then,
as
the
state
of
emergency
continued.
We
followed
it
then,
when
it
stopped
the
governor
made
a
special
provision
to
allow
municipalities
or
local
governments
to
choose
virtual
or
not
allowing
them
to
choose
the
past
so
long
as
the
state
of
the
guidelines
for
either
on
council.
H
I
know
I
have
been
asked
several
times
my
comfort
level
and
if
I've
been
hearing
from
my
constituents
about
their
support
level,
so
my
understanding
is
that
we
don't
have
a
collective
support
of
being
ready
to
entirely
go
back
so,
but
I
also
think
we're
looking
at
it
for
january.
That's
what
I
know.
C
You
thank
you.
That's
really
good
information
to
have
okay,
any
other
kind
of
general
general
comments.
Well
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
just
make
some
comments
that
dana
was
kind
enough
to
collect
some
some
some
comments
regarding
our
our
outgoing
members.
Who've
served
us
ably
and
well
for
a
while.
C
So
franzi
was
appointed
to
the
downtown
commission
in
january
of
2016.,
she
formed
and
chaired
the
living
vocal
living
economy
working
group
bringing
together
community
partners
with
a
spirit
of
collaboration
for
the
benefit
of
our
downtown
and
local
independent
businesses
across
the
city.
She
led
the
launch
of
love,
asheville
go
local
week
and
the
love
ash
will
go
local
month
and
she
facilitated
city
proclamations
in
recognition
of
those
initiatives.
C
She
brought
art
celebration
and
entrepreneurial
opportunities
to
the
pit
of
love,
formerly
called
something
else,
served
as
an
effective
voice
and
advocate
for
our
local
business
community
and
our
local
economy.
C
She
has
ensured
that
locally
owned,
independent
businesses
are
centered
in
economic
development
and
land
use
discussions,
she's
represented
in
many
plans
and
policies,
including
the
comprehensive
plan,
south
slope
vision
plan,
the
haywood
page
master
plan
and
the
public
space
management
guidelines.
She
has
continued
to
educate
commissioners
and
the
public
about
opportunities
that
support
local
and
employee
ownership,
the
importance
of
circulating
dollars
locally
and
the
tools
and
examples
of
of
how
cities
can
limit
chains.
She
has
engaged
consistently
with
intentionality
and
positivity.
C
She
grew
the
alliance
from
12
independent
businesses
at
its
inception
to
over
550
and
she's,
raised
175
000
or
been
part
of
raising
175
000
for
the
actual
city
schools
foundation
since
2015
through
the
go
local
card
program,
and
she
is
going
to
continue
as
the
owner
of
hip
replacements,
boutique
downtown
in
her
work
with
project
equity,
which
is
a
non-profit
that
promotes
employee
ownership,
and
so
we
really
appreciate
her
continued
involvement
with
our
community
and
for
her
effective
service
through
the
downtown
commission.
C
So
yay
franzi,
yay,
franzi
and
dane,
was
appointed
to
the
downtown
commission
in
january
of
2013.
C
That's
either
impressive
or
condolences.
I
guess
a
proud
downtown
resident,
often
seen
walking
around
downtown
in
a
tie-dye
t-shirt.
Holding
hands
with
his
wife
dane,
has
brought
a
consistent,
thoughtful
and
caring
perspective
to
discussions
in
design
review,
reminding
commissioners
in
the
public
of
the
importance
of
having
a
livable
downtown
neighborhood.
C
C
He
has
encouraged
staff
to
initiate
meetings
with
businesses
on
the
the
block
now
called
the
block
community
collaborative
when
multiple
construction
projects
were
taking
place
in
order
to
help
support
those
businesses
to
continue
operating
successfully.
During
this
disruption,
he
has
hosted
downtown
commission
gatherings
in
his
home
with
excellent
snacks.
I
missed
that
he
participated
on
the
broadway
cultural
gateway
project
advisory
team.
He
advocated
for
a
pedestrian
and
arts
oriented
approach.
He
has
organized
cleanups
of
land-grant
alley
and
pushed
for
the
paving
he
has
assisted
with
outreach
for
city.
C
Paving
projects
consistently
goes
above
and
beyond
in
ways
that
are
sometimes
under
the
radar.
We
are
very
grateful
for
dane's
involvement
with
the
downtown
commission,
his
consistent
voice,
speaking
for
our
community
at
large,
so
very,
very
thankful
for
your
service,
very
thankful
for
basically
just
the
the
the
your
your
collaboration
and
I've
enjoyed
serving
with
you
virtually
even
though
yeah
this
is
weird.
C
So
hopefully
this
is
not
the
end,
but
that
you
are
going
to
continue
to
serve
our
community
in
many
other
ways,
probably
frees
you
up
to
be
even
of
more
service.
So
thank
you
very
much,
and
I
wish
we
were
able
to
do
this
in
person,
and
maybe
we
can
we
can
when
we
can
all
feel
comfortable
getting
together
again,
can
do
that
as
well.
C
I
think
I
covered
everything.
I
was
thank
you
for
putting
that
together
and
with
that
I'll,
open
the
floor
for
any
closing
comments
or
thoughts,
informal
discussion,
future
agenda
items.
H
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
dana.
I
think
it's
exciting
that
as
you
leave
the
downtown
commission
you're,
also
taking
on
a
downtown
project,
one
that
had
made
it
through
design
review
and
did
a
great
job
and
looks
spectacular,
so
I
know
you're
still
going
to
be
around
and
hey
if
you're
interested
in
any
other
boards.
Let
me
know.
I
I
just
wanted
to
thank
both
franzi
and
dane
for
all
of
your
caring
thoughts
and
the
representation
you've
given
us
of
downtown
and
small
bits.
D
I
Me
small
businesses
so
we'll
miss
your
perspectives
on
the
commission
and
hope
you'll
come
and
make
comments
in
the
future.
I
I
hate
to
bring
this
up
right
now
after
we've
had
such
a
great
talking
about
franzi
and
and
dane,
but
I
guess
I'm
and-
and
I
know
it
had
to
be
done.
I
know
that
it
was
an
eyesore.
I
It
was
also
dangerous,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if,
when
a
homeless
camp
goes
up,
if
we
can't
give
those
residents
a
little
more
notice
of
things
when
we're
going
to
come
in
with
a
bulldozer,
I
know
a
lot
of
people
lost
personal
property
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
city
has
ever
looked
at
renting.
One
of
the
mobile
I've
seen
them
at
art
shows
and
I've
seen
them
in
other
places,
and
I
know
they
bring
them
in
to
areas
that
have
had
hurricanes
or
forest
fires
or
whatever.
I
But
I'm
just
wondering
if
we've
ever
looked
at
one
of
those
mobile
bathroom
units
that
we
could
bring
into
a
place
for
the
use
of
homeless,
they
have
showers
in
them.
They
have
washers
and
dryers,
they
have
bathroom
facilities
and
I'm
wondering
if
we've
ever
looked
at
bringing
one
into
the
city
thanks.
C
Thank
you
ruth
so
real
quickly.
It
was
not
the
city
of
asheville
that
that
that
performed,
that
move,
but
ncdot
and
and
I'll
just
I'll
point
that
out
first
of
all,
but
we
do
need
to
figure
out
how
to
get
better
communication
coordination
between
agencies
that
are
going
to
take
these
actions.
H
I
was
just
offer
some
information
and
hayward
street
congregation
shared
a
letter
to
this
effect.
There's
been
some
it's
a
very
upsetting
situation,
so
there's
been
some
completion
of
mixed
information
out
there,
but
haywood
street
and
beloved,
and
even
some
members
of
the
asheville
police
department
were
willingly
packing
up
to
prepare
for
the
removal.
So
people
were
able
to
take
their
belongings
and
it
was
a
code
purple
nice.
H
They
were
able
to
access
shelter
if
needed,
I'm
in
no
way
saying
that
is
a
solution,
but
I
don't
want
folks
to
feel
like
people
lost
everything
they
had
homeward
bound
was
their
wrap-around
services
were
there
they
were
able
to
place
several
people,
it
was.
It
was
actually
much
more
organized
than
what
is
somewhat
being
portrayed.
H
We
do
need
a
high
access,
shelter
y'all.
I
will
say
it
over
and
over
again
it's
a
crucial
missing
link
in
our
housing
systems
and
we
will
continue
to
work
on
one.
It
is
very
unfortunate.
The
ramada
could
not
come
together
in
time.
It's
a
funding,
a
partnership
and
really
a
consensus
issue.
We
ran
out
of
time
and
couldn't
agree
on
it,
and
I
hold
myself
accountable
for
that.
It's
really
horrible
feeling,
but
we
will
continue
to
work
on
it.
We
will
have
a
high
access
shelter.
H
We
do
need
it
and
what's
happening
right
now
is
not
fair
to
folks.
I
did
post
a
little
letter
to
some
information
sharing
some
ideas
about
possibly
looking
at
ways
to
reduce
the
code
purple
criteria,
so
we
could
get
folks
into
the
available
shelters
that
are
open
like
last
night
was
not
code.
Purple
tomorrow
is
sunday
is
but
monday's.
Not
so
there's
the
flux
of
people
constantly
having
to
move
the
code.
H
Purple
is
not
run
by
the
city
of
ashland,
it's
run
by
a
coalition
of
non-profits
and
they
make
criteria
and
it's
freezing
and
windshield
factors,
but
I
think
some
of
that
might
be
able
to
be
more
creative
and
I'm
putting
out
that
idea
and
folks
are
interested
in
talking
about
it.
Let's
talk
about
it.
If.
C
D
Thank
you.
I'd
like
to
request
as
a
future
agenda
item,
we
have
someone
from
staff
come
and
talk
to
the
downtown
commission
about
short-term
and
long-term
goals
for
pax
square
prichard
park
and
mcguire
green,
our
most
important
downtown
open
spaces.
D
I
know
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
done
by
staff
recently
to
try
and
manage
some
of
the
challenges,
but
I
think
that
I
know
that
there
are
some
ongoing
efforts
in
terms
of
getting
things
back
online
at
pec
square
and
mcguire
green,
but
I
think
some
of
our
concerns
need
to
be
heard
and
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
bringing
a
staff
person
to
a
meeting
and
just
hearing
about
future
works
taking
place
or
what.
D
J
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
add
the
haywood
page
spot
to
that
list,
stephen
lee
as
a
aspirational
inclusion,
but
I,
as
far
as
the
crown
jewels
of
our
open
spaces,
go.
That's
that's,
hopefully
a
that's
a
future
one,
and
so
I'd
love
it
to
be
considered
in
that
group.
Now.
C
Very
good:
this
has
been
a
good
meeting
with
some
good
good
input
for
for
a
variety
of
things.
I
very
much
appreciate
it.
Dana.
B
B
So
we
will
be
completing
the
annual
report
and
also
we'll
be
looking
at
the
survey
results
we
received
from
you
all,
we'll
be
welcoming
new
commissioners
and
hopefully
setting
some
goals
for
2022
and
some
focus
areas,
and
so
I
think
it's
probably
fine.
C
Good,
thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you,
dana.
I
had
completely
forgotten
the
multi-modal
thing,
so
that
is
the
16th
next
week
and
you
should
have
all
gotten
the
invite
and
the
agenda.
C
And
if
there
are
no
further
no
further
items
for
business,
I
think
we
can
adjourn.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn.