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Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Sustainability Advisory Committee on Energy and the Environment.
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Okay
good
afternoon,
everyone
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
on
energy
and
the
environment
meeting.
My
name
is
Tim,
Ormond
and
I'm
serving
as
chair.
This
is
our
February
21st
2023
meeting
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating.
Virtually
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
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We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
provide
provide,
live
public
comment
over
the
phone
through
the
phone
number
listed
on
the
engagement
Hub,
which
is
linked
on
the
committee
web
page
on
today's
agenda.
There
will
be
two
opportunities
to
provide
public
comment
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
see
please
do
not
enter
the
speaker
queue
until
the
agenda
item
you
are
wishing
to
speak
on.
Has
been
called
to
the
floor
for
everybody
out
there
with
us
today.
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Welcome
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you're,
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
use
the
raise
the
hand
button
or
unmute
your
microphone
and
then
please
ring
over
to
mute
your
phone
after
you're
done
speaking
committee
members
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello
or
Kim
Austin.
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Great
okay
to.
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I
I
moved
we
approved
the
minutes.
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Right,
thank
you
Nicole,
so
for
updates,
we
have
exactly
none
to
report
which
takes
us
to
Old
business
in
our
main
item
today,
which
is
the
municipal
climate
action
plan
and
Stacy's
recommendation
on
that,
and
so
we'd
like
to
start
with
Bridget,
giving
an
overview
of
the
the
MCAT.
As
it's
known,
Bridget,
mentioned,
she's
prepared
some
slides
and
she'll
give
us
an
overview
now.
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A
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
take
the
important
things
that
I
wanted
to
remind
folks
today
is
that
this
plan
focuses
on
our
Municipal
operations
and
that
we
still
have
significant
opportunities
within
the
core
services
that
the
city
provides
to
impact
climate
adaptation
and
mitigation,
which
impacts
not
only
the
city
as
being
a
leader
in
this
space,
but
also
impacts
our
community
and
how
we
can
Thrive
and
survive
in
the
face
of
a
changing
climate,
we're
also
committed
to
sustainability
and
climate
action.
We've
made
some
progress.
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A
So
again,
the
purpose
here
is
the
last
comprehensive
sustainability
plan
that
the
city
of
Asheville
has
undertaken
was
the
2009
sustainability
management
plan.
We
wanted
to
take
an
opportunity
to
take
a
fresh
look
at
where
we
were
at
to
see
all
the
additional
resolutions
that
councils
passed
since
then,
for
example,
our
food
policy
action
plan,
100
renewable
energy
goal
or
climate
emergency
goal
were
all
passed
by
Council
since
that
plan
have
been
adopted
and
really
established
our
roadmap
for
how
to
move
forward.
A
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
this
is
a
flow
chart
of
the
process
that
we
went
through
to
get
from
beginning
to
end.
So
all
the
circles
or
outputs
that
came
through
the
process
and
then
the
arrows
are
all
steps
within
the
process.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
really
highlight
the
areas
where
Stacy
engaged
in
this
process.
A
So
you
can
see
at
the
beginning
when
we
took
the
existing
plans
and
policies,
new
resolutions
that
have
been
passed
by
Council
and
Stacy
provided
input
to
say
what
are
the
things
that
we
should
be
looking
at
and
considering
that
came
up
with
our
potential
high
list
of
what
we
called
opportunities
at
the
time,
and
then
we
had
a
list
of
prioritization
factors
that
narrowed
that
down
which
Stacy
provided
and
then
we're.
You
know
so.
We've
come
down
here.
We've
come
up
with
a
draft
safety
members
provided
input
on
that
draft
plan.
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A
If
anybody
has
any
questions
at
any
point
in
time,
please
feel
free
to
to
interrupt
me
if
anything
comes
up
so
moving
on
through
the
process,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
next
slide,
we
took
the
previous
plans
policies,
Council
resolutions,
input
from
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
and
staff
to
kind
of
make
the
laundry
list
of
potential
activities
that
we
could
look
at
as
well
as
best
practices
that
the
Consultants
provided
from
their
work
with
other
municipalities
around
the
country,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
things
on
the
table.
A
And
again
we
look
to
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
to
determine
what
are
the
things
that
we
should
be
measuring.
Each
of
these
activities
against,
and
so
those
that
were
developed
by
the
climate
resilience
working
group
at
the
time
where
impact
feasibility
and
opportunities
to
advance
Equity.
A
So
once
we
had
our
22
activities,
we
started
to
think
about
how
to
categorize
them.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
we've
grouped
them
really
into
three
goals.
So,
taking
a
step
back
and
looking
at
what
we
had
on
the
table,
we
really
thought
about.
How
do
we
make
the
physical
stuff
that
the
city
owns
more
efficient,
more
resilient,
more
sustainable,
and
so
that's
really
like
the
physical
thing.
A
So
then,
each
activity,
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide
in
the
document,
is
organized
with
these
icons
that
you
see
on
the
left
side
of
your
screen.
So
we
looked
at
each
activity
to
look
at
what
was
something
that
was
mitigating
climate
impacts
or
adapting
to
climate
change,
because
this
is
the
first
time
that
the
city
has
looked
at
really
climate
adaptation.
When
we
had
the
sustainability
management
plan
in
2009,
it
was
really
looking
at
mitigation
activities.
A
Then
everything
obviously
has
a
description
of
what
the
recommended
activities
will
look
like
in
some
way,
shape
or
form
the
operational
resources
that
are
required
to
be
able
to
implement
it,
and
that
includes
both
the
Departments
that
are
available
as
well
as,
if
there's
any
resource
gaps
that
have
been
identified.
A
That
might
prevent
us
from
implementing
some
high
level
of
funding
estimates
and
those
will
vary
based
on
what
there's
planning
activities
because
then,
obviously,
once
you
plan
there's
an
implementation
to
a
plan
so
giving
a
range
for
what
the
implementation
might
look
like
an
ongoing
maintenance,
potentially
and
then
kind
of
that
information
implementation.
Time
frame,
as
I
mentioned,
we
talked
a
lot
about
the
sequencing
of
each
activity
and
trying
to
prioritize
things
that
need
to
happen
today,
because
they're
going
to
take
a
really
long
time
to
get
where
we
want
to
go
where
some
things.
A
Maybe
we
need
to
wait
until
the
market
has
a
product,
that's
better.
You
know
for
us
to
take
advantage
of
in
the
future.
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
just
wanted
to
provide
I'm
going
to
go
through
these
really
quickly.
This
is
the
list
of
22.
Obviously
we're
not
going
to
sit
here
and
talk
about
each
one,
but
wanted
to
show
you
how
they're
organized
and
the
goals,
and
if
you
notice
the
Bold
type,
is
activities
that
are
ongoing.
A
A
Again
comes
back
to
these
policy
choices,
not
as
long
of
a
list,
but
definitely
some
very
deep
work
here
and
then
in
goal.
Three
touches
on
that
external
piece
with
our
Urban
canopy,
how
we
communicate
data
and
recording
I
know.
That's
really
important
to
this
group
in
particular
resilience
hubs
having
our
food
policy
action
plan.
A
So
that's
you
know
just
a
list
and
again
how
we're
kind
of
prioritizing
them
in
the
short
term
or
ongoing
and
then
finally
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
snapshot
of
the
sequencing
table
in
this
next
slide,
because
I
think
it's
important,
and
now
you
can't
read
this
because
it's
hard
to
put
this
table
really
large.
A
A
Can
you
no
at
that
top
bar
there's
a
blue
bar
that
has
some
white
text
in
it
and
a
light
green
bar
thanks
Kira
that
has
the
short
term
and
the
years
and
then
the
bars
that
are
going
horizontally,
green
is
for
an
existing
ongoing
activity.
We
have
the
light
blue,
which
is
planning
or
development.
We
have
the
medium
blue,
which
is
implementation,
and
we
have
the
dark
blue,
which
is
where
you
have
simultaneous
planning
and
implementation
happening
at
the
same
time.
A
So
I
should
have
pulled
up
the
document,
so
I
had
the
page
number
ready
for
you.
I
will
do
that
again,
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
orient
you
to
the
sequencing
table
and
also
recognize
that
this
is
a
living
document.
So,
as
opportunities
might
come
up,
these
priorities
might
shift
right
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
be
open
to
that.
A
You
know,
shifted
and
prioritized,
so
that's
really
kind
of
an
overview
and
a
snapshot,
and
then
I
thought
it
would
be
better
to
have
an
opportunity
for
us
for
me
to
hear
from
you
and
to
chat
and
see.
If
you
have
any
questions
and
while
you
all
are
thinking
about
that
I'm
going
to
find
that
page
number.
C
I
have
a
question
for
You
Bridget
when
you
said
that
the
priorities
will
change
or
could
change
over
time.
Will
that
be
in
some
kind
of
documented
form
like
a
I
was
hearing
some
feedback?
Is
that
going
to
be
you
know,
documented
some
somewhere
or
or
how?
How
were
the
changing
priorities
going
to
be
I,
guess
recorded
and
is
there
like
a
living
document?
That's
going
to
be
updated
regularly.
A
C
Okay,
Michael
how's
his
hand
up.
I
Yeah
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
right
moment,
but
there
was
a
concern
that
in
the
the
appendix,
with
the
eight
important
but
left
off
the
22
priority,
The
Mention
Of
microgrids
and
from
my
work
with
the
critical
series
microgrid
group
over
the
last
several
years,
that
is
cost
effective
today
to
do
at
least
on
the
First
Responders,
like
the
fire
department
police
department.
They
can
be
financed
out
of
the
savings
and
incorporating
the
storage
requirements
as
well.
A
A
I
I
It
seems
to
me
that
that
goes
back
to
the
argument
that
if
we
don't
have
a
full
inventory
of
our
asset
base
and
all
the
energy
and
water
consuming
devices
that
it's
difficult
to
get
an
accurate
priority,
ranking
of
where
your
our
best
opportunities
are,
and
particularly
where
you
have
synergisms,
because
if
you
there's
the
classic
example
in
deep
retrofits
that,
if
you
put
in
a
more
efficient
Motors
pumps,
compressors
and
fans
and
the
layout
of
the
pipes
that
you
can
reduce
the
cost
of
your
HVAC
equipment,
so
that
synergism
gets
you
greater
savings
at
lower
cost
and
I'm
wondering
that
you've
mentioned
that
there
are
going
to
be
re-prioritizations.
I
I
I
Then
let
me
get
to
my
bottom
and
then
I'll
be
quiet.
There
is
a
large
spectrum
between
the
minimal
that
you
do
to
achieve
those
and
the
best
practices
you
can
typically
in
a
service
company
that
comes
in.
Does
it
they
get
about
18
savings.
Deep
retrofit
can
get
you
50,
plus
so
in
terms
of
best
practice
adoption.
How
are
we
gonna
ensure
that
wine
is
chosen
over
the
other,
given
that
they
are
both
fit
within
the
kind
of
overhead
structure
of
look
at
this
and
try
and
do
this
right.
A
So
right
now
they're
dealt
on
with
the
case-by-case
basis
and
it
depends
on
the
capacity
that's
available
on
the
capital
Improvement
plan,
that's
adopted
by
Council.
There
is
mentioned
in
this
report
too.
There's
an
ongoing,
comprehensive
facility
study.
That's
happening
right
now
and
there's
a
sustainability
analysis.
That's
involved
with
that
to
help
give
Council
some
more
guidance
on
what
it
would
take
to
get
to
that
best
case
scenario.
F
Yeah
so
I
kind
of
have
a
question,
obviously
coming
into
this
late
and
I
appreciate,
there's
a
lot
of
actual
items
but
kind
of
wanting
to
understand
what
thought
was
given
to
like
policy
decision
and
changes
regarding
land
use
and
transportation
and
trying
to
encourage
in
that
respect
in
terms
of
code
and
where
the
zoning
is.
F
Is
that
something
that
was
out
of
the
scope
or
was
mixed
from
part
of
that,
because
in
terms
of
developing
where
development
should
happen
in
the
city
is
a
big
part
of
where
sustainability
and
bloodborne
area
so
I
was
just
curious
to
know
what
was
that
considered
or
is
that
outside
the
scope?
That's.
F
Okay,
I
have
a
follow-up
question.
Also,
but
separately
is
how
do
you
feel
like,
or
is
there
a
way
to
incorporate
this
climate
plan
into
Regional
climate
initiatives
such
that
you
know
like
everyone
in
the
region,
quantities
of
scale
Reserve
been
any
effort
to
maybe
work
with
other
partners,
for
you
know
a
lot
of
climate
resiliency
as
help
when
you
have
Regional
commitments.
A
So
I
guess
I
would
want
to
hear
more.
Tell
me
more
about
what
Regional
commitments
look
like.
What
I
can
say
is
that
we
try
to
collaborate
with
Buncombe
County.
We
try
we
collaborate
as
part
of
a
network
of
other
municipalities
that
have
sustainability
directors
and
we
attempt
to
work
together
on
Collective
action
where
we
see
those
opportunities
but
I.
Don't
we
don't
currently
have
like
a
other
than
working
with
land
of
Sky.
We
don't
have
a
regional
initiative.
That's
currently
been
identified.
That's
am
I
answering
your
question.
Yeah.
F
I'm,
just
thinking
about
stuff
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
done
this,
but
I've
done
an
audit
of
like
where
your
staff
is
commuting
from
and
where
most
people
are
traveling
from
I'm
like
looking
at
investing
in
park
and
ride
and
bus
Rapid
Transit.
There
was
not
very
much
in
there
in
terms
besides
Fleet
replacement
in
terms
of
transportation
and
I.
Think
that's
a
regional
approach.
F
If
I
don't
know
how
much
of
City
staff
actually
live
in
Asheville
and
my
experience
before
was
only
20
of
our
staff
actually
lived
within
our
city
limits,
and
we
that
was
part
of
trying
to
work
with
you
know
getting
people
to
work
for
a
city
and
then
the
traveling
costs
and
so
I
think.
That's
a
example
of
a
regional
initiative
of
trying
to
look
at
Partnerships.
I
have
a
co-worker
who
lives
in
Fletcher
and
she
would
have
to
take
two
buses
and
she's
like
just
because
I
live
six
minutes
outside
the
city
of
Asheville.
A
Yeah
and
our
transits
apartment
is
having
more
conversations
about
making
connections
more
regionally
in
terms
of
not
just
for
city
employees,
but
for
a
lot
of
the
employees
of
our
businesses
that
reside
within
the
city.
So
that
is
a
conversation
that
Jessica
Morris
has
been,
is
much
more
familiar
with
than
heading
up
and
we
do
track
our
employee
commute
as
part
of
our
carbon
emissions,
and
so
we
have
done
some
various
initiatives
around
that
of
trying
to
encourage
carpooling.
A
You
know
our
hybrid
work
schedules
and
trying
to
maximize
some
opportunities
there,
but
in
terms
of
the
transit
system
that
relies
more
with
our
Transit
Department.
F
I
mean
even
the
initiatives
you
are
taking,
you
could
take
credit
for,
if
you
I
don't
know,
if
you
have
the
ability
to
add
to
it,
but
like
supporting
Community,
you
know,
staff
commuter
Alternatives
is
part
of
could
be
part
of
the
plan
and
you
can
show
that
you've
taken
action
already
by
allowing
hybrid
I,
don't
know
just
something
that
was
not
included,
and
maybe
it
was
stuff
like
Transportation
or
land
use.
Saying
like
we
could
acknowledge
these,
but
these
are
other
initiatives
by
other
departments.
Just
alluding
to
it
might
be
helpful.
A
C
G
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
that
this
document
is
robust.
It's
really
well
put
together,
I,
just
I.
Think
overall,
I
was
just
really
impressed
and
thankful
for
all
the
work
that
the
sac
created
in
the
past
in
City
staff.
It's
it's
impressive.
G
E
B
Yeah
I
think
it's
great
that
it's
going
to
be
an
evolving
document
and
I
know
that
everybody
is
waiting
with
baited
breath
to
see
how
the
IRA
incentives
and
rebates
will
unfold
at
the
local
level.
B
So
that's
something
I'm
paying
attention
to
really
really
closely
in
my
life
in
my
work,
so
I
would
be
really
interested
in
if
and
when
those
incentives
are
available
at
the
local
level
to
ensure
that
we
may
be
working
with
Community
Partners
have
a
campaign
to
educate
our
citizens
about
the
benefits
of
switching
from
Gas
Appliances
in
particular,
and
in
particular,
heat
pumps
and
heat
pumps
for
water
heaters
for
water
heating
and
space.
Heating
and
I
didn't
see
much
about
that
in
there.
B
A
I
agree
that
the
IRA
is
an
unfolding
situation
and
so
we're
trying
to
keep
tabs
on
that
and
take
advantage
of
those
opportunities
when
we
can,
of
course,
you're
familiar
that
the
community-based
partner
we
work
with
to
get
this
out
is
the
Greenbelt
Alliance
and
that
we
are
issuing
another
RFP
with
the
county
for
services
around
that
and
have
plans
to
include
getting
that
information
out
for
the
into
the
community.
In
that
scope
of
work.
I
Yeah,
just
building
on
Sophie
another
area
is:
is
there
an
ability
of
Asheville
City
to
take
advantage
of
outside
funding
where
they
provide
All,
The
Upfront
capital
and
take
the
money
out
of
the
savings,
or
is
that
prohibited
currently
by
law?.
I
Well,
for
example,
in
the
telematics
with
the
vehicles
moving
to
an
electrification
Fleet
that
could
be
third
party
financed
and
the
purchase
of
the
new
vehicles
or
in
the
case
of
the
buildings
installing
a
digital
twin
that
provides
real-time
monitoring
of
performance
of
the
building.
I
So
you
can
identify
the
savings
that
can
be
third
party
finance
and
many
of
the
improvements
or
even
in
as
Sophie
says,
the
benign
electrification,
beneficial
electrification,
which
was
listed
under
the
appendix
b
as
a
of
additional
one
of
the
aid
as
a
valuable
opportunity
that
there's
third
party
financing
for
those
types
of
things
as
well.
I
So
that
seems
to
be
a
show
stopper.
So
much
of
the
time
is
can't
get
it
in
the
budget
or
it
doesn't
it's
not
affordable
to
most
households.
So
I
was
just
wondering
how
the
financing
side
of
things
is
being
fleshed
out
so
that,
particularly
as
this
plan
gets
interpreted
by
each
department,
they
don't
feel
like
they
are
immediately
hit
a
wall
that
kind
of
short
circuits.
A
lot
of
these
opportunities.
A
There's
a
really
specific
prescriptive
way
that
you
can
go
about
that.
That's
managed
by
the
Department
of
Environmental
Quality
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
other
in
like
third-party
solar
leasing.
Obviously,
like
that
just
became
that's
been
a
recent
shake-up,
an
opportunity,
that's
been
available
through
statute
from
House,
Bill,
589,
so
I
think
it
I.
Would
we
need
to
hear
more
about
what
the
third
party
financing
is
to
see
what
it
is
available?
A
You
know
we
have
the
debt.
You
know
local
governments
have
opportunities
to
take
debt
out
at
a
pretty
low
percent.
A
So
a
lot
of
times
the
third
party
options
aren't
as
competitive
and
like
we
take
out
like
to
our
capacity.
So
it's
not
so
I
think
it's.
We
can
always
have
that
conversation,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
more
specific
to
what
the
opportunity
is.
That's
on
the
table
to
see
if
it
is
within
our
Authority
and
and
how
it
would
impact
the
rest
of
our
that
capacity.
A
E
I
Would,
and
also
is
there
now
with
this
report,
then
the
recommendation
that
they
don't
look
at
the
lowest
first
cost
say
in
purchasing
vehicles,
but
they're
looking
at
the
full
life
cycle,
cost
that
I
think
you
said
one
of
the
previous
meetings
that
they
already
knew
that
or
they
will
be
doing
that.
We.
A
C
I
Michael
all
right,
please
anybody
interrupt
me
if
I
taking
somebody
else's
time
because
I'm
asking
a
lot
of
questions.
I
don't
mean
to
take
anybody
else's
time
up.
There
wasn't
much
in
the
report
about
storage
being
particularly
connected
with
any
of
the
renewable
opportunities,
or
did
I
mistakenly
miss
that
discussion
in
the
report.
But
that
goes
to
the
importance
of
what
kind,
what
storage
size
charting
stations
in
what
locations
that
are
going
to
be
most
useful
are
located.
Did
they
have
a
section
on
that
or
did
I
miss
it.
I
And
then
the
other
question
which
goes
to
a
forestry
recommendation
is
that
apparently
the
state
recommended
hole
size
that
you
dig
for
a
tree
and
I
think
it's
in
cubic
feet
or
cubic
meters.
That
I
don't
have
the
numbers
right
in
front
of
me
and
I.
Think
I,
don't
know
if
I
think
Asheville
has
just
taken.
The
state
number
may
be
wrong
on
that,
but
it's
turned
out
that
that
hole
size
does
not
guarantee
the
longevity
of
the
tree.
I
In
fact,
it
may
only
guarantee
10
years
out
and
the
economic
benefits
and
carbon
value
for
a
tree
typically
start
emerging
around
15
years
plus
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
communicate
or
work
with
the
forestry
committee
so
that
the
adoption
recognizes
North,
Carolina
level
recommended
recommended
level
is
half
the
amount
or
less
the.
If
you
want
to
ensure
that
carbon
is
retained
for
a
long
period
of
time
and
I
can
send
documents
and
references
on
this,
that
I
think
is
a
pretty
important
thing,
though.
A
Yeah,
if
you
want
to
share
that
documentation
with
me,
I'm
happy
to
share
that
with
vadilla,
who
is
the
staff
in
our
planning
department?
That's
working
on
the
Landscaping
code
updates
that
surround
that
area.
C
I'm
going
to
call
on
myself
I
had
a
question
on
item
10,
which
was
the
storm
water
control
measures
and
specifically
our
our
working
group.
Last
year
we
prepared
pretty
detailed,
I,
think
alternative
text
and
most
of
it
seemed
to
be
rejected
in
in
our
text.
It
was
really
an
emphasis
on
green
infrastructure,
emphasizing
the
co-benefits.
The
green
infrastructure
would
become
a
priority
and
then
the
final
document
it
turned
into
what
seemed
to
be
a
little
more
status
quo.
C
There
was
some
acknowledgment
given
to
Green
infrastructure,
but
so
I
guess
my
general
question
is
since
there
was
no
direct
dialogue
and
our
our
suggestions,
weren't
Incorporated,
but
we
weren't,
given
an
explanation,
is
there
going
to
be,
you
know,
processed
down
the
road
to
try
to
maybe
in
form
and
and
modify?
If
we
can,
you
know,
demonstrate
the
benefits
of
what
we
were
trying
to
say,
or
is
it
basically
case
closed
now.
A
A
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
recognizing
that
there's
two
pieces
to
that,
there's
the
gray
and
the
green
and
that
we
need
to
build
the
infrastructure
to
get
where
we
want
to
go
and
not,
and
not
because
I
think
a
big
part
of
the
storm
water
and
I'm,
hoping
that
your
working
group
is
going
to
help
Advance
some
of
this
work
in
the
next
year.
A
A
C
B
C
C
So
perhaps
over
time
we
can,
you
know,
deepen
that
discussion
and
maybe
help
create
a
positive
shift.
But
I
guess
you
know
going
forward
our
our
stormwater
green
infrastructure
working
group.
It
sounds
like
we'll
have
opportunities
to
to
have
those
conversations
with
the
riverfront,
Redevelopment,
commission
and
and
City
staff.
G
Yeah
I
was
curious.
Bridging
you
mentioned
that
vadillo
was
working
on
integrating
some
elements
of
the
plane
into
some
updates
with
the
ordinance
or
codes.
Are
there
other
elements
of
this
plan
that
are
getting
integrated
into
development
services
and
just
the
ordinance
in
general.
A
So
that's
actually
a
separate
project
that
wasn't
necessarily
directly
linked
to
this
document
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
some
of
the
comments
that
we're
hearing
is
just
a
good
reminder
and
reflection
of
how
big
and
complex
this
organization
is
and
how
many
plans
we
have
that
are
kind
of
woven
into
all
the
different
departments,
and
so
our
opportunity
here
was
to
try
and
complement
and
not
duplicate,
I
guess
I
would
say
so
so
that
is
like
separate
work.
We
did.
A
You
know
we
talked
to
every
city
Department,
pretty
much
in
the
development
of
this
plan,
and
you
know,
trees
are
listed
in
here.
I
worked
with
development
services,
a
lot
on
that
in
terms
of
our
tree
canopy
and
the
pieces
that
are
in
there
around
that,
but
that
is
kind
of
an
initiative
that's
being
taken
on
by
the
planning
department,
so
not
necessarily
directly
tied
to
this.
G
Answer
your
question:
it
does
and
I
think
the
other
part
of
it,
too
is
I.
Think
thinking
about
all
these
incentives
and
Partnerships
and
just
the
non-profit
sector,
that's
so
robust
in
Nashville
and
just
thinking
how
how
to
integrate
that
back
into
the
community
I'm,
not
very
favorable,
on
yeah.
But
thank
you.
A
Yeah
and
that's
how
we
do
most
of
the
work
in
the
community
we
contract
with
community-based
organizations
to
do
that
work
so
like
be
contract
with
green
belts,
Alliance,
whom
Sophie
used
to
work
for
for
the
blue
Horizons
project,
Equity
contract
with
Bountiful
cities
to
implement
our
community
gardens
program
and
a
lot
of
our
food
policy
pieces
and
then
Asheville
GreenWorks
as
well.
So
we
try
to
work
with
our
community-based
organizations
because
we
know
they're
doing
the
work
in
the
community.
A
We
know
we
have
a
lot
of
constraints
when
it
comes
to
what
we
can
require,
which
can
be
quite
frustrating
sometimes,
but
the
plus
side
is
is
that
we
get
to
work
with
a
lot
of
great
local
organizations.
F
I
think
that's
really
important
and
there's
a
lot
of
ideas
I
think
to
flesh
it
out
as
you
move
forward,
especially
when
the
water
outages
or
you
know,
hot
heat
summer
days,
I
think
those
are
very
important
and
so
I'm
I
was
really
excited
to
see
that
in
there
and
I
understand
that
there's
a
lot
of
different
departments
and
different
plans,
and
sometimes
things
get
lost
and
so
I
it's
hard
to
find
things
easily
on
the
website
to
figure
out
where
all
this
information
is
I,
don't
know
if
you're
moving
towards
having
a
dashboard
or
a
concentrated
place.
F
You
know
I
keep
referring
back
to
that,
but
there
are
certain
things
like
is
and
I
don't
know.
If
you
can
answer
this,
is
there
any
ideas
or
about
looking
into
the
community
reading
system
and
looking
to
see
if
we'll
be
able
to
reduce
flood
insurance
for
employees?
The
last
time
I
I
can
find
at
Asheville
worked
on
that
was
2014
and
I.
Don't
know.
If
that's
part
of
one
of
the
initiatives,
the
stormwater
department
has
to
look
at
it's
a
voluntary
program
to
FEMA
in
order
to
reduce
flood
insurance.
A
Yeah
I
would
want
to
get
back
to
you
with
more
specifics.
I
know
that
our
folks
we've
talked
about
that
program.
Quite
a
bit,
I
would
want
to
connect
you
with
Nancy
Watford,
who
probably
has
the
most
up-to-date
information
on
that,
though,
before
I
get
too
far
down
a
path
that
I'm
not
as
familiar
with,
but
I
can
absolutely
connect
you
on
that.
A
C
Well,
you
could
join
us.
We've
had
some
robust
conversation
and
on
Bridget's
done
an
excellent
job.
Fielding
the
questions.
I,
don't
know
if
you,
if
you've
been
able
to
review
the
the
final
mcap.
But
if
you
have
any
questions
in
that
regard,
they're
welcome.
D
I
think
I'm
in
listener
mode
today,
but
and
I'll
go
back
and
listen
to
the
first
part
of
the
video,
and
we
have
a
schedule
where,
where
this
will
be
coming
to
the
environment
and
Safety
Committee
twice
before
it
goes
to
council,
so
I'll
be
able
to
talk
to
a
lot
of
community
members
while
doing
my
deep
homework
and,
of
course,
listening
to
this
group,
so
yeah
today's
listening
mode.
But
happy
honestly.
C
C
Okay,
do
we
have
any
other
questions
putting
our
vice
chair
had
had
prepared
a
draft
recommendation
and
Steve
I,
don't
know
if
you're
in
a
place
where
you'd
like
to
share
your
thoughts.
At
this
point.
J
Well,
I
I,
guess
I'd,
say
in
general
that
I
concur
with
most
of
the
discussion
that
this
is
a
a
much-needed
update
that
incorporates
some
of
the
newer
City
policies
and
it's
clear
that
a
lot
of
work
and
a
lot
of
coordination
has
gone
into
this
effort
and
Bridget
has
been
at
the
center
of
this
mouse
strong.
So
thank
you
for
that.
J
J
That
was
my
suggestion
that
maybe
it
would
be
good
to
get
a
little
more
detail
on
how
the
three
criteria
of
feasibility
impact
and
Equity
led
to
selection
of
these
22
activities,
vis-a-vis
activities
that
were
listed
in
the
past
in
the
SMP,
and
also
the
nine
potential
ones
and
Michael's
earlier
question
about.
You
know
why
why
why,
for
example,
microgrid
was
not
listed
in
22
led
to
Bridget's,
explaining
that
she'd
have
to
check
her
notes
on
that.
J
So
I
think
that
bottom
line
is
I,
think
that
there's
really
not
it
would
risk
I
guess
or
acquiring
everyone
to
take
a
step
backward
to
reevaluate.
What
that
list
is
at
this
point,
and
that
would
not
be
that
would
not
be
productive.
So
my
my
feeling
is
that
going
forward.
J
That's
the
important
thing
is
to
recognize
that
there's
more
work
to
be
done
in
terms
of
evaluating
what
the
costs
are,
what
the
funding
requirements
are,
what
the
feasibility
is
and
and
and
which
kind
of
leads
to
my
third,
my
other
suggestion,
which
is
just
hopefully
that
the
lead
departments
were
identified
in
here,
will
take
the
laboring
ore
and
focus
on
those
important
details
so
that
we
can
get
a
better
sense
of
what
the
challenges
are
and
what
what
the
priorities
should
be,
and
maybe
they
need
to
be
adjusted.
J
So
that's,
that's
it
not
in
so
much
of
a
nutshell.
Thanks.
C
C
Steve,
you
also
had
a
third
recommendation.
Is
that
something
that
needs
to
be
modified
or
does
it
remain
intact?.
J
Well,
you
know
I,
don't
that
was
sort
of
what
I
was
alluding
to
that
at
the
end
that
I
think
the
you
know
it
would
be
good
if,
if
the
Departments
that
were
identified
in
this
document
as
being
the
lead,
would
just
take
the
laboring
ore
to
get
some
more
detail
on
what
the
feasibility
timing
cost
staff
requirements
are
because
they're
then
they're
not
they're,
no
real
cost
numbers
in
this
document.
J
There
are
dollar
signs,
for
example,
so
there's
kind
of
a
rough
sense
of
what
the
challenges
are,
but
that's
the
important
next
step
and
whether
there
needs
to
be
specific
Direction
to
staff
to
do
that
is
really
not
my
area,
but
that
was
my.
That
was
my
thought.
C
Okay,
thanks
Steve
there
any
additional
questions
or
comments
on
the
mcap,
or
are
we
getting
close
to
making
a
recommendation
and
taking
a
vote.
E
I
I'll,
just
again
real
quick
I,
did
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
hard
work
on
this.
It
has
been
quite
a
process
and
and
I
was
very
impressed
at
the
at
the
end
and
the
report
that
was
put
together.
I
thought
you
did.
E
It
was
nice
to
see
the
journey
from
where
we
started
to
where
we
are
now
and,
of
course
it's
not.
This
is
just
a
point
in
this
whole
journey.
So
it's
important
to
just
kind
of
remember
that
there's
much
more
work
to
go
and
much
more
areas
to
go
down,
but
thank
you
for
the
work
you've
put
in
Bridget
and
Kira
and
the
members
it's
it's
been
very
interesting.
C
Thanks
Kim
and
I
second,
that
I've
seen
your
hard
work,
Bridget
and
Kieran.
No
doubt
Nicole
in
this
process.
I
know
it
was,
you
know,
kind
of
a
wild
ride
at
times
and
and
you
you've
made
it
to
the
end,
so
good
work.
C
C
C
H
Really
well
well
refined,
much
to
critique
from
my
end
so
motion
to
adopt
it.
C
Great
okay,
at
this
point,
I
guess
we
will
do
the
roll
and
state
either
I
or
day
we'll
go
around
starting
with
Kim.
E
C
F
C
G
I
C
A
Thanks,
everybody
and
and
a
big
shout
out
to
the
climate
working
group,
resilience
working
group
which
I
think
Tim
and
Kim
are
the
last
standing
on
that
one
put
a
lot
of
work
into
this
as
well
as
Steve
Barron
I,
really
appreciate
you
all
reading
the
document
and
providing
some
good
feedback.
C
C
C
Okay,
I
guess
we
continue
with
adjournment
then
great
job.
Everybody
thanks
for
for
meeting
and
keep
up
the
good
work
see
you
soon.