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A
B
B
I,
will
introduce
each
agenda
agenda
item
and
facilitate
the
meeting
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today,
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
noise
Advisory
Board
page
for
those
of
you
that
are
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
I
will
now
go
ahead
and
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
board
members
who
are
participating
virtually
and
staff
members.
B
C
B
Not
present
Jeff
Santiago.
C
B
D
C
Sure
yeah
I
have
an
automotive
background,
so
I
worked
in
Detroit
for
about
four
years
and
noise
and
vibration
for
OEM
and
and
I
did
some
a
lot
of
work
at
a
test
track
in
Australia
for
about
four
years,
doing
pass
by
noise
and
a
lot
of
hybrid
vehicle
development
inside
the
vehicle
now
outside
and
we're.
C
More
in
component
refinement
and
sound
quality,
and
they
have
two
rescue
dogs
and
live
here
in
the
city
of
Asheville.
Thank
you.
B
Great
well
thanks
for
joining
us
and
always
nice
to
have
I,
don't
know
if
you're
from
Detroit
originally
but
I'm
from
Detroit
and
I
worked
for
in
the
automotive
industry
before
moving
to
Asheville
23
years
ago.
So
welcome
all
right.
So
our
next
order
of
business
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting.
There's
a
link
in
the
agenda
to
that.
Hopefully,
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
that.
Can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting.
B
Seconds,
thank
you,
rest
of
the
board
members.
Rick
can
I
get
a
motion
to
pass
or
fail
pass.
Thank
you.
Liliana.
B
And
pass
for
me
so
the
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting
have
been
approved.
Moving
on
so
we
didn't
meet
last
month,
but
we
do
have
a
staff
report
from
November
and
one
from
December.
So
looking
at
November
1st
does
anybody
on
the
board
have
any
questions
for
City
staff
in
regards
to
the
November.
B
No
okay:
what
about
the
December
report?
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
City
staff
on
the
December
report?
A
A
suggestion
sure
now
now
that
we've
been
at
this
for
more
than
a
year,
I
think
the
report
would
help
if
we
were
seeing
a
summary
of
how
the
previous
month
compares
to
the
month
a
year
before
you
know
just
to
so
we're
kind
of
seeing
month
over
month.
How
do
we
do
in
September
of
21?
How
does
that
compare
September
of
22,
so
we
can
kind
of
just
see
you
know?
Is
it
all?
A
Staying
the
same
same
number
of
complaints,
same
breakdown,
I,
just
I,
think
that
would
in
a
summary
somewhere
that
would
just
make
it
real
easy
to
see
if
we're
moving
the
needle,
especially
with
some
of
the
proposals
we're
going
to
make
and
recommendations.
If
they're
accepted
by
city
council,
we,
you
know,
we
expect
to
see
fewer
of
those
kinds
of
well,
maybe
a
lot.
A
E
So
I
can
speak
to
that.
Just
a
little
bit.
Staff
are
currently
working
on
our
2023
noise
log
and
dash
templates,
and
what
we
have
drawn
up
so
far
would
show
a
month-to-month,
and
year
to
year,
you'd
be
able
to
make
those
comparisons
easily.
B
Haley
can
I
ask
a
question
on
that.
Just
real
quick
is
there,
because
this
is
something
that
came
up
in
our
Retreat,
that
I
had
not
thought
of
I
think
it
was
Carmelo
who
brought
it
up
was
that
it
would
be
interesting.
Is
there
any
data
included
in
that
in
terms
of
population
growth
from
one
year
to
the
next
that'll
be
included?
As
part
of
that,
just
out
of
curiosity
of
we.
E
Hadn't
planned
for
that,
but
it
shouldn't
be
too
difficult
to.
You
know
gather
that
information
once
it's
posted
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
what
organization
posts
that
population
growth
data,
but
we'll
figure
it
out.
B
B
Think
so
any
other
questions
about
staff
reports
from
November
or
December
before
we
move
on
okay,
moving
on
to
Old
business
working
group
updates,
which
I'm
glad
we're
just
moving
right
along
and
getting
to
this.
So
first
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
decibel
levels
and
the
survey
responses
and
that's
going
to
be
handled
by
Rick
and
Jeff.
A
So
you
all
have
the
link
that
Haley
put
together
that
has
the
redacted.
Both
written
survey
results
from
the
email
survey
and
Jeff's
collection
of
the
phone
call
survey
results.
A
B
I
I
have
a
couple
questions,
so
I
went
through
so
I
went
through
all
of
them
and
some
of
them
are
really
obvious
of
you
know
they.
They
State,
who
the
com
who
the
complaint
was.
They
had
an
issue
with,
and
some
of
them
were
a
little
unclear
since
you
know
and
I
know,
part
of
that's
probably
happened
with
redacting
some
of
the
information
so
to
keep
it
private.
So
I
wondered
if
there
was
so
my
question.
B
My
first
question
is
is
like
was
some
of
this
cross-referenced
with
the
reports
from
the
date
of
the
complaint
that
each
person
made
just
to.
C
A
B
A
No
I,
just
I,
didn't
want
to
make
I
just
wanted
to
present
the
content
exactly
as
delivered
by
a
complainant
and
I
think
that
that
question
is
appropriate
for
what
we
would
do
as
next
steps.
Okay,.
H
B
So
yeah,
so
that's
I'd
love
to
hear
what
y'all
what
your
findings
were
and
then
we
can
talk
through
it.
Okay,.
A
A
I,
think
that
you
know
I've
talked
to
Todd
about
this
and
even
without
taking
it
to
city
council
he's
agreed
that
we
can
make
an
effort
with
these
locations
where
their
continuous
is
complaints
and
where
the
content
of
their
survey
result
is
an
implication
in
that
they're
losing
the
ability
to
use
parts
of
their
homes
and
things
like
that
to
go
out
there
and
to
take
both
the
traditional
DBA
measures,
which
is
what
the
ordinance
currently
calls
for,
but
equally
important,
it's
time
to
start
to
collect
low
frequency,
sound
data
or
DBC,
as
it's
typically
called
since
you
will
see
in
several
of
the
reports,
including
public
input
we
just
received
like
today.
A
The
complaint
says:
okay,
I
live
in
this
location
and
I'm,
surrounded
by
clubs
and
most
of
the
time
I
really
like
it,
but
sometimes
they
switch
over
to
really
loud
decibel
low
frequency
stuff
that
literally
shakes
my
windows
and
doors
and
I
just
can't
sleep,
and
when
the
ordinance
was
created
we
looked
for.
This
would
be
19
and
20..
A
We
looked
for
good
examples
of
low
frequency,
components
and
ordinances,
but
we
kind
of
came
up
short
and
we
at
least
talked
about
that
time,
that
we
should
start
to
take
data
and
and
see
what
we're
learning
and
so
I
talked
to
Todd,
and
he
thinks
that
we
can
plan
and
organize
this
such
that
we
do
two
things.
A
We
we
go
to
all
the
complaints
who
agreed
that
they
would
support
measurements
being
made
on
their
property
both
inside
and
outside,
and
we
go
there
when
there
is
no
source
of
continuous
noise
or
that
they're
bothered
with
to
take
Baseline
data,
both
on
the
a
scale
and
the
C
scale
to
sort
of
establish.
A
You
know
what
does
it
sound
like
on
a
typical
late
spring
evening,
and
then
we
take
measurements
again
when
the
Sound
Source
is
active
and
you
know
collect
that
stuff
and
then
try
to
make
some
analysis
of
that
My
Hope
is
two-part
one
that
we
would
get
some
DBC
stuff
that
we
could
pin
our
head
on
to
make
a
future
recommendation
about
revised
DBC
numbers
that
we
thought
could
be
managed
and
two
if
we
take
measurements
inside
these
properties,
where
the
complainants
are
saying
I
can't
listen
to
my
TV,
we'll
get
some
actual
objective
data
and
there's
a
bunch
of
Common
Sense
scales.
A
Decibel
scales
and
you'll
get
a
hundred
pictures
that
show
what
a
typical
sound
is
at
40
decibels
and
50
decibels
and
60
decibels
and
I
think
we'll
find
that
some
places
are
really
losing
access
to
their
property
as
a
result
of
that
or
a
room
or
a
patio,
and
in
some
cases
we'll
find
that
the
complainant
just
doesn't
want
to
hear
it
at
all
and
it's
down
there
at
a
whisper
and
I
think
that
will
help,
because
there's
kind
of
two
factions
is
too
strong
of
a
word
to
different
camps.
A
One
Camp
is
that
these
are
just
repeat
complainers
and
they
would
complain
about
anything
and
it's
all
subjective
and
the
other
Camp
is
all
this.
Noise
is
way
too
much,
and
you
know
you're
ruining
the
value
of
my
home
and
by
being
able
to
take
Fair
measurements
with
City
staff
who
are
qualified
users
of
those
tools.
A
So
that's
where
that's
my
feeling
of
where
they
are
I
mean
it
breaks
my
heart
to
read
some
of
these
responses
about.
You
know
people
just
feel
like
they
need
to
leave
Asheville
when
the
music
is
going
to
be
going
loud
from
various
outdoor
places
or
or
those
kinds
of
things.
I
have
a
hard
time,
not
thinking
that
that
isn't
an
example
of
hurting
the
livability
of
the
community
and
I.
Just
think.
A
G
Well,
I
I
appreciate
you
mentioning
both
those
camps.
If
you
will,
because
it
is,
it
is
a
it
is
a
line.
We
need
to
be
able
to
figure
out
and
find
the
proper
balance
that
makes
sense
for
everyone.
G
I
do
want
to
mention
it's.
You
know
a
lot
of
other
things
on
that
on
that
list
of
complaints
that
we
did
receive,
that
we
did
work
through
were
other
consistent
factors.
Besides
those
things
you
mentioned,
including
the
trouble
we
see
over
at
for
protesters
over
at
Planned,
Parenthood
and
other
such
things
like
that,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
covering
the
whole
scope
of
of
what's
affecting
our
community
noise
wise.
G
B
So
yeah,
okay,
so
based
on
that
I
I
have
a
couple
questions.
One
is
for
Todd
too
so
is
I
was
under
the
impression
that
it
was
hard
for
the
city
to
measure
DBC,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
didn't
look
at
including
that
in
the
ordinance
and
with
you
speak
to
that
Todd
as
to
you
know,
is
it
being
inside
people's
houses.
That
was
or
can
you
just
explain
to
me
what
the
what
that
is
so.
I
To
my
understanding
from
talking
to
Daniel
about
this,
is
that,
in
order
to
get
an
accurate
c-level
reading,
you
have
to
establish
a
Baseline
like
you
know
he
he
described
it
as
we
would
have
to
go
into
this
person's
home
wherever
they
you
know,
want
us
to
measure
from
and
then
have
them
turn
the
H
back
off
and
anything
else
that
might
be
creating
levels
of
noise
that,
maybe
even
you
know,
aren't
that
obvious
to
the
average
human
ear
so
to
speak
and
get
that
Baseline
reading,
so
that
when
they,
the
noise
that
they're
complaining
about,
happens
again
or
occurs
again,
we
would
then
go
out
and
make
another
measurement
and
essentially
to
see
reading
that
we
would
get
at.
I
That
point
would
be
the
difference
in
what
the
reading
was
at
base
and
then
what
it
is
when
they're
complaining
about
the
level
of
noise,
and
so
yes,
that
requires
two
things
one.
It
requires
permission
to
be
you
know,
on
the
property
and
then
two
it
requires
that
we
be
on
the
property
multiple
times
in
order
to
make
an
accurate
assessment,
and
so
and
then
we
have
the
problem
of
how
do
we
enforce
something?
That's
based
on
sea
level,
without
having
all
that
data
already
in
place,
so
I
mean
this.
I
It
would
have
to
be
understood.
It
would
have
to
be
in
the
ordinance
that,
in
order
for
us
to
pursue
a
complaint
based
on
those
levels
that
there's
going
to
have
to
be
some
work
and
some
time
and
it's
not
going
to
be
just
Daniel
going
out
and
citing
somebody
or
or
sending
a
contact
letter
or
whatever
in
order
for
us
to
determine
whether
there's
been
a
violation
or
not,
we
would
have
to
go
through
this
whole
kind
of
measuring
and
investigating
the
process
in.
D
B
And
then,
just
again
to
my
first
question,
is
it
would
be
good
to
cross
reference
some
of
these
survey
responses,
because
part
of
my
question
is
like
I,
was
having
a
hard
time
getting
a
full
picture
from
it,
and
I
was
trying
to
I
went
through
the
ones
that,
before
you
know,
the
ones
I
had
access
to
that
before
they
were
redacted
to
see
if
I
couldn't
get
a
little
bit
more
information
as
to
like
where
some
of
the
complaints
were
again,
some
of
them
were
pretty
easy
to
follow
because
they
mentioned
the
the
business
like
one
of
them.
B
I
wasn't
sure
up
until
I
looked
at
the
the
staff
report
and
saw
Rendezvous,
for
instance,
that
that
and
I
was
like.
Oh
that's,
the
bouncy
ball
one,
you
know,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
cross-reference
to
see
if
some
of
these
complaints
were
from
like
early
2021,
for
instance.
First
like
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
what
the
time
frame
of
some
of
these
things
were
just
to
be
able
to
see
like
you
know,
especially
ones.
B
That
said,
like
the
noise
team
didn't
come
out
or
anything
like
that
to
see
if
there
was
actually
measurements
that
were
taken
so
that
we
could
sort
of
a
b.
Some
of
the
information
that
was
here
it
just
would
be
good
to
know
that
and
then
the
other
part
of
that
is
what
I
got
is
like
one
one
of
the
things
that
this
definitely
again
just
reinforces.
B
How
complicated
of
an
issue
that
this
is
that
we're
trying
to
to
to
figure
out,
because
complainant
number
11
brings
up
that
something
may
not
even
reach
65
DB
and
it's
still
thought
of
as
noise,
and
it's
like
you
know
again
we're
tasked
with
this
very
complicated
situation
of
how
do
we
deal
with
things
like
that,
because,
especially
from
that
other
comment
that
we
got
from
public
comments
which
sounded
like
it
may
even
be
from
the
same
person.
B
But
it's
I
mean
they
make
a
valid
point
right,
and
it's
interesting
when
you
think
about
the
fact
of
like
you
know
it
may
be
within
the
range,
but
you
know
there's
certain
things
that
might
be
really
just
hard
to
listen
to
at
you
know,
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
it's
interesting
is
because
I
think
that
the
point
that
maybe
this
place
or
the
other
person
brought
up
was
also
in
a
public
setting
like
pack
Square,
which
I
know,
is
something
that
is
a
continued
issue
right
of
just
between
Street
Preachers
and
buskers,
and
car
noise
and
all
those
sort
of
things.
B
A
Yeah,
so
those
are
those
are
really
good
points.
A
We
have,
you
know
newer
board
members
I
would
ask
the
newer
board
members
to
think
whether
they'd
like
to
participate
in
this,
because
the
next
phase
is
a
lot
more
work
than
what
we've
done
so
far
and
the
kinds
of
things
you
point
out,
Jessica
I,
think
are
important
for
the
decibel
working
group
to
say:
hey,
it's
not
just
decibels,
it's
how
often
this
noise
comes.
You
know
like
on
the
public
input
today
on
on
that
one.
A
It's
not
that
the
one
drummer
you
know
drums
so
incredibly
loud
for
five
minutes
that
they
can't
stand
it
it's
it's
that
it's
just
this
repetitive
and
it
goes
on
and
on
and
on
and
and
that's
kind
of
gotta
come
out
of
the
decibel
working
group
and
go
into
if
there
is
a
working
group.
That's
looking
at
public
space
noise,
which
is,
is
the
pure
nuisance
thing
right.
A
Nobody
measures
the
the
decibels
of
a
busker,
it's
that's
where
I
think
the
enforcement
guys
both
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
and
get
driven
insane
right,
because
now
it's
a
a
judgment,
call
on
their
behalf,
based
on
what
they
hear
and
their
experience
whether
that
particular
source
is
annoying
because
it's
incredibly
loud
or
it's
annoying
for
any
of
the
other
reasons
that
public
input
has
given
and
and
I
know
when
this
was
written.
A
You
know
working
with
Ben
Woody.
He
wanted
that
flexibility,
because
you
can't
legislate
every
possible
combination
of
repetitiveness
and
location
and
and
level.
A
Maybe
another
working
group
that
that
stuff
can
be
handed
off
to
we
sort
of
stay
pure
on
complaints
from
the
public
that
the
allowable
decibels
and
the
allowable
frequency
of
decibels
they
consider
to
currently
be
ineffective,
and
we
have
to
try
to
collect
objective
data
to
either
prove
that
that's
true
or
disprove.
It.
G
If
I
might
add
to
that-
and
this
is
just
some
sort
of
suggestion
in
the
idea
of
something
to
consider-
which
is
also
very
complicated-
what
if
there
is
some
sort
of
decibel
sliding
scale
based
on
time,
you
know
you're
talking
about
noises
and
levels
at
particular
times
of
the
day
you
know,
and
what
are
you
talking
about
8
P.M
on
a
Friday
or
1am?
You
know
how
do
we
approach
that
like?
How
do
we
make
those
considerations?
So
that's
just
something
I
wanted
to
put
out
there
just
for
thought.
That's
all.
A
So
I'd
like
to
just
offer
a
add-on
to
that
Jeff
because
I
think
you're
onto
something
if
anybody
was
of
the
mind
to
study
science
we'd
find
that
sound
of
some
level
of
some
time
creates
stress
in
a
human
being
and
that
that
stress
is
what
leads
to
long-term
disease.
You
know
an
increase
in
blood
pressure
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
So
if
you
go
all
the
way
back
to
the
World
Health
Organization
stuff,
that's
that's
kind
of
what
they
tried
to
write
up.
A
You
know
more
than
a
decade
ago,
and
it
it
would
be
good
if
somebody
would
take
the
time
to
look
into
current
thinking
about
you
know
what
what
level
of
noise
at
what
time
creates
different
levels
of
stress
and
those
stress
stressors
either
in
some
people's
case,
like
our
former
board
member
Charlie,
caused
him
to
say,
I've
had
enough
you're
never
going
to
solve
this
problem.
I'm
gonna
sell
my
condo
and
get
the
heck
out
of
here.
A
So
he
found
a
way
to
reduce
his
stress
by
just
avoiding
the
circumstance
it
when,
when
we
take
measurements
first,
we
establish
the
Baseline
and
then
we
take
them
on
somebody's
patio
or
inside
their
living
room.
We're
going
to
come
up
with
some
numbers
and
we're
still
going
to
end
up
in
the
debate
whether
that
number
is
a
true
indication
of
stress
placed
upon
those
residents
in
some
way.
That
is
not
reasonable.
A
Sorry
to
be
so
vague,
but
you
know
it's
easy
to
just
say
it
wakes
me
up,
but
some
people
who
stay
up
late.
They
they're
still
stressed
out.
If
there's
a
you
know
someone's
banging
on
a
bell
or
if
there's
a
factory,
that's
pounded
on
pallets
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
that's
ultimately
where
the
judgment
should
be
I,
think
or
where
we
could
bring
some
more
science,
in
fact,
to
try
to
get
rid
of
subjectivity,
which
I
think
is
also
what
Jeff
was
recommending.
D
J
Can
you,
okay,
guys,
okay,
I,
didn't
know
if
you
guys
could
hear
me
that
was
the
first
time
I
said
anything
yeah.
Thank
you
for
putting
this
together.
This
is
extremely
fascinating.
It's
it's
all
over
the
place
and
it's
hard
for
me
to
kind
of
like
propose.
J
You
know
any
single
or
concise
like
method
of
approach,
but
I
do
like
Jeff
and
Rick.
What
you
guys
were
just
talking
about
with
looking
into
more
of
a
sliding
scale
meets
scientific
approach
as
to
how
we
can
best
assess
this
I
mean
it
would
be
much
easier
if
it
was
only
two
offenders
right
I
mean
we
all.
J
We
all
know
that
just
saying
the
easy
thing
there
like,
if,
if
it
was
just
like,
oh
you
know
the
the
people
in
North,
Market,
Street
or
oh
just
rabbit
rabbit,
but
as
far
as
like
putting
together
some
sort
of
approach
to
kind
of
assess
everything
I
mean
in
in
my
head,
because
this
this
is
these
are
coming
from
such
an
overwhelming
amount
of
sources.
Perhaps
it
would
be
best.
J
This
is
just
one
idea
if
we
focused
on
maybe
like
say
two
of
them
for
the
time
being,
and
if
that
requires
ears
on
the
ground,
I
know
one
person
at
the
top
of
your
PDF
I
forget
what
number
they
are.
They
might
even
be
number
one
or
two
they
were
like
come
over
for
coffee
or
tea,
and
they
emailed
you
like,
hey
now,
would
be
a
good
time.
I
hear
them
warming
up
and
doing
the
rehearsal
and
everything
I
mean
like.
Would
it
hurt
to
do
that?
J
J
The
most
complaints,
no
am
I
mistaken
in
thinking
that
the
other
stuff
is
more
General
like
the
we
Haley
you
sent
the
one
today
that
was
about
North
Market
Street,
and
they
were
talking
about
venues
that
were
you
know
on
on
that
back
side,
where
all
the
lawyers
offices
are
on
that
side
of
Broadway,
but
I
mean
it
sounds
like
their
venues
nonetheless,
and
and
the
truth.
The
tricky
thing
is
too,
regardless.
How
that's
approached
Rick
you're?
Absolutely
right
that
this
could
definitely.
J
J
Are
they
coupling
with
a
building's
structure,
the
floors,
the
windows,
the
anything
like
that
like?
Are
they
being
acoustically
muted?
So
you
can't
hear
the
frequencies
and
you're
free
from
the
decibels,
but
are
they
coupling
with
some
sort
of
structure
that
is,
like
you
know,
amplifying
the
the
physical
vibrations
almost
like
the
difference
between
sound
and
seismic
waves?
You
know
if
that
makes
sense,
so
it
does
become
extremely
complicated.
J
I
I
think
that
that's
why
Jeff
I
I,
like
your
idea
of
like
looking
into
what
would
a
sliding
scale
look
like,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
like
a
sliding
scale
of
like
a
decibel
level.
I
I
don't
have
an
answer
as
to
what
this
the
end
result
of
you
know
said.
Siding
scale
could
be
in
reference
to,
but
looking
into
flexible
things
that
account
for
all
these
complications
is,
is
definitely
in
our
best
interest,
but
I
mean
taking
a
broad
step
back
from
all
of
that.
These
are
coming.
J
These
people
are
complaining
about
a
broad
number
of
sources
and
I
I.
Think
it's
too
much
for
us
to
really
like
look
at
all
of
them
and
try
and
come
up
with
a
game
plan.
That's
going
to
Umbrella
them
all
in
it.
It
might
behoove
us
to
just
maybe
focus
on
on
a
few
and
given
the
fact
that
you
two
are
the
ones
working
on
on
this
and
have
a
more
intimate
understanding
of
this.
J
Perhaps
we
can
talk
about
whether
now
or
at
a
different
time
what
the
top
contenders
would
be
if,
if
we
were
to
pursue
such
a
path
and
what
that
might
look
like,
does
that
mean
we're
going
to
go
out
there
and
go
to
someone's
property
or
go
to
the
venues
at
a
certain
time
or
what
that
might
look
like,
but
I'm
just
really
thinking
out
loud
here
to
kind
of
break
this
down
and
tackle
it
in
an
efficient
way.
You
know.
A
A
You
know
because
it
then
then,
no
matter
what
we
find.
It
runs
the
risk
of.
Oh,
you
guys
headed
out
for
music
venues
and
that's
how
you
did
and
why
didn't
you
pay
more
attention
to
this
one
or
that
one
or
the
other
one
I
think
the
good
news
is
that
and
I
haven't
memorized
this.
The
complaints
that
were
not
from
music
sources
can
be
worked
now
over
a
period
of
time,
because
the
ones
that
are
from
outdoor
music
sources
basically
need
to
wait.
A
We
could
still
do
that
work
if
appropriate
on
that
one
between
now
and
whenever
the
outdoor
music
season
looks
like
it's
getting
ready
and
that's
pretty
easy
to
tell,
because
we'll
be
able
to
see
when
the
outdoor
music
venues
are
advertising
that
they're
starting
up
and
when
the
bands
are
going
to
come
to
town
and
all
that
sort
of
thing.
And
of
course
now
we
can
also
go
take
baselines
inside
and
outside.
A
A
But
so
you
might
think
well,
it's
going
to
feel
louder.
But
on
the
other
hand,
it's
cold
out
and
sound
travels
less
well
in
low
temperatures
of
low
humidity
than
it
does
in
high
temperatures
of
high
humidity.
So
those
are
all
the
complexities
that
we're
going
to
need
to
document
during
these
measurement
efforts
so
that
whatever
I'm.
J
Sorry,
Rick
I
lost
your
signal.
I'm
really
sorry
I
lost
your
signal
for
a
second
you
just
when
you
cut
out
about
the
the
the
leaves-
and
you
said
something
about
the
temperature
too
yeah.
A
So
sound
travels
farther
and
faster
in
high
temperature,
high
humidity
than
it
does
in
cold
dents.
So,
even
if
we
try
to
do
a
baseline
now,
it's
only
a
baseline
for
winter
time.
It's
not
a
baseline
at
that
location
for
summer,
but
you
know
that's
okay,
we
start
somewhere
and
see
what
the
temperatures
are
over
time.
J
A
So
anyway,
I
think
we're
not
about
to
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
to
do
any
particular
thing.
A
I'm
looking
for
support
from
the
board
to
take
the
input
we've
all
had
today,
what
we've
got
support
from
Todd
and
sort
of
start
trying
to
lay
in
a
plan
where
measurements
could
be
taken
to
establish
these
baselines
and
to
teach
us
something
and
I,
don't
know
if
that
needs
a
vote
or
just
any
any
negative
feedback
that,
if
you
feel
like
this,
is
either
not
in
scope
for
the
noise
Advisory
Board
to
to
do
that
or
yeah.
Let's
go
see.
B
Can
I
ask
a
question,
make
a
suggestion,
I
think
I
think
all
of
this
as
well,
in
line
with
the
noise
Advisory
Board
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
the
survey
that
the
city
had
initially
did
about
noise
in
in
complaints
was
one
of
the
most
heavily
accessed
in
the
community
in
terms
of
I.
B
Remember
that
being
said
of
of
the
amount
of
Engagement
that
they
had
from
the
community
was
one
of
the
more
the
largest
that
they've
had
when
doing
a
Citywide
survey,
and
so
I
think,
and
to
that
point
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
was
like.
Let's
not
just
focus
on
the
venues,
because
music
was
seven
seventh
on
that
list
right.
So
there's
a
lot
of
other
concerns
from
from
community
members.
B
So
would
it
be
Advent
advantageous
of
us
to
do
a
larger
survey,
get
a
larger
base
other
than
just
the
the
folks
that
you
all
have
reached
out
to
to
send
that
out
to
see
how
the
rest
of
the
community
feels
in
terms
of
where
things
are
at
because
I'm,
you
know
it
may
behoove
us
to
do
that
to
get
a
bigger
sample
size,
one
and
two
to
see
if
there's
other
things
that
we're
missing
as
well
from
that
data
from
the
amount
of
Engagement
that
the
city
had
originally
on
this
topic,.
A
So
that
came
up
in
the
Retreat
and
I
think
it
was
an
action
item
to
do
a
broad
survey
which
we'll
have
to
delegate
to
a
City
Communication
staff.
The
only
reason
we
were
allowed
to
do
this
survey
is
because
it
was
narrow
and
it
was
very
specific
on
hey.
A
A
So,
with
with
lack
of
any
other
input,
if
any
of
the
other
board
members
would
like
to
participate
in
this
working
group,
they
can
contact
me
and-
and
let
me
know,
and
in
the
meantime,
if
no
one
else
does
we'll
go
along
at
whatever
Pace,
Jeff
and
I
have
to
work
with
Todd
and
to
you
know,
hypothetically
come
back
to
you
guys
with,
instead
of
just
a
aim
in
a
particular
direction,
a
particular
a
b
and
c
and
d
and
e
stuff.
B
G
B
Okay,
great
moving
on
to
Old
business.
We
have
vehicle
noise
and
rev
Do.
You
have
a
any
update
for
us
on
that
working.
F
Group
I
do
I'm
pleased
to
say
I,
don't
think
it's
as
thorny
an
issue
as
what
you
just
were
working
with
this
seems
to
be
fairly
straightforward.
In
fact,
I
sent
an
email
to
Haley
this
morning,
I'm
not
sure
if
that
was
distributed
or
not
to
make
a
recommendation.
F
I'll
go
into
the
details
of
this,
but
to
make
a
recommendation
that
the
NAB
go
ahead
and
ask
city
council
to
direct
city
manager
to
ask
the
NAB
to
effect
changes
in
the
noise
ordinance
that
would
reduce
or
place
prohibitions
on
on
intentional
particular
noise
having
to
do
with
revving
modified
exhaust
systems.
Motorcycle
you
know
straight
pipes
and
the
like.
It
turns
out
it's
a
pretty
Universal
problem
in
our
research.
F
This
is
a
problem
all
across
the
country
and
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
precedent
in
ordinances
that
are
already
written
in
sound
level,
restrictions,
a
number
of
method,
means
and
methods
used
to
combat
vehicular
noise
and
so
and
well.
There's
there's
Haley
put
that
up,
but
the
first
paragraph
really
is
is
our
task
force
recommendation
to
NAB
turns
out
that
noise
is
five
percent
or
rather
vehicular.
Noise
represents
about
five
percent
of
the
cumulative
cumulative
number
of
complaints
made
on
a
monthly
or
annual
basis.
F
It
also
turns
out
that
the
city
of
Asheville,
Police
Department,
does
in
fact
currently
enforce
the
two
Provisions
in
the
ordinance
that
deal
with
vehicular
noise
and
that
is
basically
broken.
Mufflers
unmuffled
vehicles
and
engine
braking
and
I
had
a
conversation
with
Captain
Mike
lamb
of
the
apj
about
that,
and
he
did
verify
that.
They
currently
police,
that,
with
the
caveat
that
they're
understaffed,
they
don't
really
have
the
resources
they
don't.
F
They
can't
do
an
effective
job
at
policing,
those
sorts
of
things,
but
it
falls
naturally
under
their
purview
because
it's
it's
largely
moving
vehicle
and
it's
not
something
that
on
an
enforcement
basement
based
basis
can
be
done
very
well
by
our
group,
but
the
captain
lamb
when
I
explained
what
we
were
looking
at
was
supportive
of
the
idea
of
placing
further
restrictions
on
vehicular
noise,
particularly
in
the
CBD.
F
Having
said
that,
there'd
be
a
lot
of
work
that
we
would
have
to
do.
The
NAB
would
have
to
do
in
consultation
with
APD
to
find
out
what
compliance
and
enforcement
would
look
like,
but
I,
but
but
he
was
encouraging
and
Todd
I
did
try
and
circle
back
to
my
clam
several
times
after
our
last
conversation,
he
pointed
out
that
that
those
two
Provisions
in
the
code
are
all
they
do.
I
was
not
able
to
get
back
to
him,
but
I
was
still
impressed
with
his
encouragement
to
pursue
this
previously.
F
What
Haley
has
got
up
right
now
is
several
precedents
from
ordinances
in
both
Greenville
and
Knoxville.
They,
they
I,
have
spoken
to
individuals
in
city
government,
both
of
those
communities
they're
both
battling
noise
in
their
Downtown
Greenville
has
been
fairly
aggressive
about
it.
They
both
have
very
simple
Provisions
in
their
ordinances
to
prohibit
that
they
have
the
same
problems
with
enforcement
as
most
small
communities
in
terms
of
of
resources
and
Staffing,
but
they
do
have
good
language
that
protects
against
it.
F
Ironically
and
interestingly,
the
sound
level
limits
that
are
in
our
current
current
ordinance
really
should
give
the
police
department
effective
enforcement
against
these,
but
I
think
that
we
could
strengthen
the
language
of
our
ordinance
to
Target.
These
specifically
there's
just
a
there's,
a
real
problem
in
the
CBD
in
downtown,
with
cruising
with
revving,
with
motorcycles
that
are
keeping
people
up
and
lay
disturbing
diners
at
dinner
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
so
we
just
Rick
is
on
the
committee.
F
Jeff
promson
who
lives
in
Eris
downtown,
is
on
the
committee
and,
and
we
felt
like
it
was
a
pretty
easy
call
to
say
we
should
ask
to
to
look
at
this.
We
should
ask
Council
to
authorize
that
the
manager
to
have
us
look
at
this,
so
I
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
vote
from
NAB
to
put
this
in
its
end
end
of
your
report.
If
that's
what's
necessary,
that's
what
I
would
call
for,
but
I
think
it
would
be
the
next
step,
and
certainly
the
recommendation
of
this
committee.
F
I
think,
as
Todd
described
the
vehicular
noise
problem,
it's
low
hanging
fruit,
it's
it's
having
been
involved
in
in
the
can
drafting
of
the
original
ordinance
and
Rick
helped
me
out
here.
I,
don't
think
we
really
dealt
with
this
I
think
in
many
ways
it's
it's
almost
an
oversight
that
there's
not
language
in
here
that
prevents
this
sort
of
Behavior
that
is
so
disruptive
on
downtown
streets
and
other
parts
of
the
city.
A
I
recall
at
one
point:
in
the
can
draft,
we
had
plagiarized
another
ordinance
that
actually
specified
decibel
levels
at
a
certain
number
of
feet
from
the
roadside
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
I
think
I
think
it
just
got
I
think
we
got
overruled
when
people
said
the
state
already
dictates
the
law
as
it
relates
to
Jake,
breaking
and
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff,
and
so
we
thought
that
there
were
other
problems
that
were
bigger
to
solve
and
we
created
or
whatever
the
case
is
you
know
we
we
tried
saying
hey,
take
that
out,
but
put
this
in.
A
D
F
The
the
main
challenge
of
including
this
language
is
that
APD
won't
be
any
less
stressed.
If
we
do
it,
enforcement
won't
be
any
less
difficult.
If
we
do
it,
it
just
creates
the
provisions
for
perhaps
the
point
in
the
future
where
and
the
Asheville
Police
Department
is,
is
reinforced
and
can
take
on
some
of
the
efforts
that
they
have
in
the
past
foreign.
A
If
the
board
wants
to
read
it
other
than
when
they're
sitting
in
front
of
their
computer
right
now,
then
we
need
to
have
another
meeting
early
enough
in
January,
so
that
feedback
can
tune
it
up
and
we
can
make
sure
it
makes
it
into
the
document.
You
know,
because
we
could
miss
that
date
and
still
make
a
recommendation,
but
I
think
it's
most
effective.
If
we're
telling
a
thorough
story
on
the
three
or
four
things
we're
really
working
on-
and
you
know
the
one
I
just
got
done
talking
about
is
Hey
city
council.
A
This
is
what
we're
working
on
we're,
not
asking
you
to
give
direction
to
anybody,
because
Todd
agreed.
This
is
within
scope
of
his
responsibility
as
it
is,
but
writing
new
ordinance
language
always
would
have
to
go
through
city
council
so
either
today,
from
my
perspective,
I'd
vote
Yes,
or
if
people
want
to
Wordsmith
it
to
make
it
even
more
impactful
to
city
council,
then
we
need
to
meet
next
month
before
our
deadline.
B
B
Is
that
that's
the
record,
there's
recommendations
in
terms
of
rewriting
the
the
noise
ordinance
for
this
part:
correct,
gotcha,
okay,
so
yeah
I'd
love
to
take
a
look
at
that
in
in
just
become
more
familiar
with
it
before
voting
on
it.
So
I
would
I
would
say,
let's,
let's
look
at
which
we'll
talk
about
here
shortly
is
meeting
in
January
to
see
if
we
can't
get
everybody
on
the
same
page
and
then
get
that
into
the
manual
report.
B
H
A
I'd
I'd
like
to
maybe
make
a
recommendation
that
feedback
comes
from
the
board
if
they
have
any
at
least
a
week
before
our
next
meeting
or
five
days
before
our
next
meeting,
so
that
rev
and
the
team
would
have
time
to
take
that
feedback
and
tune
it
up.
So
it
would
go
for
a
vote.
So
we
don't
end
up
with
a
bunch
of
live
feedback,
and
then
we
missed
the
deadline
on
the
21st
for
submitting
our
annual
report.
C
B
So
we'll
make
a
point
if
we,
when
we
get
into
talking
about
the
meeting
for
January
today,
that
we
set
a
deadline
to
get
questions
to
you
Reb
five
days
before
that
or
seven
days
before,
whatever
makes
sense
in
terms
of
giving
you
enough
time
to
answer
any
questions
that
we
have
or
recommendations.
That's.
F
Good,
it
was
not
necessarily
written
as
a
a
draft
of
the
recommendation
to
city.
F
B
E
I
was
just
gonna.
Let
everybody
know
that
this
I
put
this
morning.
I
put
this
meeting
document
or
this
document
with
the
meeting
documents
folder.
So
if
you
need
to
find
access
to
a
copy,
it
is
with
the
meeting
documents
and
just
reach
out
to
me
if
you've
misplaced,
that
link
and
I'll
be
happy
to
resend.
H
E
And
as
far
as
that
goes,
what
might
be
a
good
idea
is
once
you've
read
it:
email,
justreb
and
Jessica,
and
that
way
Jessica
won't
I
can
keep
track
of
who's.
Read
it
and
Brad
can
get
your
feedback
directly
to
incorporate
and
that
won't
cause
a
quorum
because
it'll
just
be
those
three
members
involved
in
the
conversation.
D
J
J
Yeah
I
just
had
a
quick
clarifying
question
for
you
Reb
it.
It
looks
like
I
mean
I
like
how
you're
looking
at
the
models
from
different
states.
I
I
looked
at
the
other
states
too.
J
After
our
conversation
in
person
the
other
month,
it
feels
like
forever
ago,
I
can't
even
remember
what
month
that
was
maybe
October
and
it's
like
for
for
an
example,
we're
kind
of
like
smack
dab
in
the
middle
with
our
decibel
levels
between
like
New,
York
and
California,
just
as
an
example
of
two
you
know
highly
populated
states
as
far
as
like
the
vehicle
decibels
or
actually
no,
you
know
I'm
sorry
I
misread
that
you
gave
the
example
of
decibel
levels
for
Knoxville.
J
Those
levels
are
smack
dab
between
California
and
New
York
on
the
whole.
But
looking
looking
at
that
it,
you
have
three
points
here
and
it's
the
language
around
engine
revving
the
decibels
for
it
and
then
cruising,
which
is,
is
a
little
bit
different
and
I'm,
not
really
so
much
concerned
about
I.
J
Don't
my
question's
not
directed
towards
that,
but
like
the
language
about
it,
makes
total
sense
and
I
think
that
something
can
definitely
be
crafted
around
that
100
I
I'm
just
curious,
and
forgive
me
if
I'm
missing
a
piece
of
the
puzzle.
That's
already
been
put
on
the
table
here.
If
how
do
those
noise?
How
do
those
decibel
levels
get
read
and
enforced
in
like
a
live
setting?
You
know
because
the
police,
the
officers,
don't
have
the
the
DB
meters.
F
Well,
that's
the
64
000
question
really,
and
it
raises
probably
one
of
the
big
discussions
relative
to
the
ordinance
overall,
and
that
is
the
degree
of
subjectivity
allowed
in
enforcement.
F
Would
would
the
city
would
we
be
willing
to
allow
APG
to
make
an
on-the-ground
assessment
that
it's
just
too
loud
by
subjective
assessment,
if
you're
standing
next
to
a
motorcycle,
it's
not
too
hard
to
tell
it
it's
a
hundred
and
twenty
hundred
and
fifty
decibels,
so
there
is
in
the
it
is
in
the
Knoxville
ordinance,
there's
additional
language,
that's
very
clear
that
an
officer
can
interpret
a
sound
to
issue
a
warning
or
a
citation
without
necessarily
having
to
have
a
measuring
device
and
I.
F
Think
if
you
read
what
I
wrote
part
of
the
next
step,
if
the
council
were
to,
if
we
were
authorized
or
empowered
to
research,
this
part
of
the
of
the
ordinance,
we
would
definitely
have
to
consult
with
APD
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
to
have
some
serious
conversations
with
APD
about
what
they're
willing
to
do.
What
they're
able
to
do,
both
now
and
in
the
future
and
I
think
I
mean
Todd,
can
talk
a
little
bit
to
subjectivity.
F
We've
talked
about
this
somewhat
I
mean
you've
almost
got
to
Grant
some
level
of
on
the
ground
discretion
as
to
what
constitutes
too
much
noise.
Otherwise,
you
can't
really
enforcement
APD,
just
can't
enforcement,
and
so
that's
just
a
conversation
we'll
have
to
have
moving
forward
as
we
determine
how
to
construct
this
thing.
If
that's,
what
y'all
thinks
in
the
best
interest?
F
I
Let
me
clarify
some
things
a
little
bit,
so
the
only
thing
that
that
deals
with
this
subject-
that's
actually
written
hard-coded
into
the
general
statute-
are
the
things
we've
already
talked
about,
which
are
the
straight
pipe
mufflers
and
the
vehicle
without
a
muffler
and
the
jake
brake.
And
so
when
the
comment
was
made
earlier,
that
you
know
somebody
kind
of
wiggled
out
of
this
being
put
into
the
ordinance,
because
those
were
the
only
things
that
were
you
know
actually
in
the
general
statute.
I
So
that's
why,
if
you
go
down
to
Wilmington
you're
going
to
get,
you
know
what
trash
and
debris
you're
going
to
get
a
definition
of
traction
debris
down
there,
you're
going
to
get
a
definition
of
what
noise
is,
what
noise
nuisance
is
and
then
you
go
to
Charlotte
you're
going
to
get
a
different
definition.
You
go
to
Raleigh
you're,
going
to
get
a
different
definition,
but
all
those
definitions
are
fairly
similar
because
they
have
survived
the
scrutiny
of
the
courts
over
the
years
and
so
quite
honestly,
I
would
stay
away
from
anything.
I
That
is
a
finite
definition
of
what
you
think
a
nuisance
noise
is
in
relation
to
vehicles
and
you
make
it
as
subjective
as
possible,
because
then
the
police
officer
who's
there
on
the
ground
he's
the
one
that's
going
to
be.
Writing
the
citation
he's
the
one
that's
going
to
be
stopping
the
vehicle,
he's
the
one
that's
going
to
be
engaging
with
the
with
the
with
the
Violator
and
99
times
out
of
100.
I
Any
court
is
going
to
support
what
that
officer
deemed
to
be
unreasonable
at
the
time,
and
the
only
reason
that
the
law
enforcement
officer
is
having
to
do
it,
and
I've
said
this
before
that.
My
guys
aren't
can't
do
it
is
because
they're,
the
only
ones
that
are
authorized
to
stop
a
motor
vehicle
on
the
on
the
state
highway.
I
So
it's
I,
don't
think
you
need
to
go
into
decibel
levels.
I,
don't
think
you
need
to
try
to
Define
exactly
what
a
particular
level
of
noise
is
reasonable
or
unreasonable.
You
make
it
subjective
and
NC
officers
call
there
on
the
ground
and
they
know
what
they
can
articulate
if
they
were
99
999
times
it's
never
going
to
go
to
court.
It's
never
going
to
go
in
front
of
a
magistrate
or
anything
else.
I
Honestly,
it
comes
back
on
the
city
to
pursue
that
person
if
they
don't
pay
the
fine,
because
we're
talking
about
a
civil
citation
which
is
essentially
a
parking
ticket
and
it
falls
back
on
the
city
to
you
know
pursue
that
if
they
don't
pay
the
fine
so
but
what
it
does
is
it
puts
the
presence
out
there.
It
puts
the
ordinance
out
there.
I
We
can
do
like
Greenville
and
put
signs
on
every
corner
that
you
know
we're
just
not
going
to
tolerate
that
level
of
noise
or
whatever
and
I
think
that
will
go
very
far
towards
alleviating
the
problem.
I
So
it's
you
know
it's
not
going
to
end
up
in
court.
So
that's
just
all
I
wanted
to
add
there
we
Define
what
a
nuisance
is.
The
city
does
in
its
ordinances,
and
so
the
state
gives
us
the
authority
to
do
that
and
then
we're
kind
of
on
our
own
as
far
as
whether
our
definition
would
be
supported
by
Court
by
a
court
or
not.
I
B
J
J
That
mean
that
you'd
have
to
reorient
the
the
approach
a
little
bit
or
or
well.
F
Again,
how
does
what
Todd
said
affects
I?
Don't
know
what
I
put
in
there
was
meant
to
suggest
that
that
would
be
a
component
of
of
a
modified
ordinance.
It
was
simply
to
say
that
there's
a
lot
of
precedent,
a
lot
of
cities
are
dealing
with
this
problem
and
there's
there
seem
to
be.
You
know
a
handful
of
ways
to
write
an
ordinance
to
do
it.
F
I
mean
I
I
defer
to
God.
If
decibel
levels
are
not
the
right
way
to
do
it,
I
would
strike.
The
second
example
simply
because
he's
got
the
experience
to
make
that
comment.
F
So
I
wasn't
suggesting
down
the
line
that
those
are
Provisions
we
should
incorporate.
Rather
to
say
there
are
a
number
of
examples
of
how
to
do
it
out
there
that
we
could
rely
on
given
the
authority
to
explore
this
ordinance.
These
ordinance
provisions.
A
Member
of
compliance,
member
of
APD,
if,
by
a
miracle
sudden,
suddenly
the
loud
Vehicle
Association
of
America
would
step
up
and
want
to
be
part
of
that
they
could
be
as
well.
I
suspect
they
will
stay
silent
on
the
topic
so
that
all
has
to
go.
You
know
any
ordinance.
Any
ordinance
language
ultimately
has
to
go
through
the
legal
department
before
it
can
ever
be
incorporated
in
a
future
version
of
the
ordinance,
so
we'll
have
to
go
through
that
whole
path.
B
B
B
B
So
all
right!
Well,
thanks
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
the
the
vehicle
noise
working.
B
Moving
on
to
meeting
frequency,
so
we're
currently
meeting
quarterly
I
think
we've
all
talked
about
the
fact
that
we
feel
like
we
need
to
meet
in
January
so
working
backwards.
Actually,
let's
just
take
a
that
seems
something
that's
feasible
enough
to
take
a
vote
on
from
voting
members.
Let
me
just
do
a
roll
call
and
and
see
Rick.
F
D
J
H
B
E
D
E
Thank
you
and
then
can
we
all
agree
that
we'll
just
hold
it
at
our
normal
date
and
time.
H
A
So
we
got
a
lot.
We
got
a
lot
more
going
on
now
than
we
did.
A
You
know,
even
at
the
mid-year
point,
so
I
think
I
think
it
would
be
good,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
to
try
to
just
get
back
on
the
monthly
cycle
and
I
can't
remember
for
sure,
but
several
of
the
people
that
we
have
lost,
who
are
no
longer
part
of
the
board,
were
some
of
the
stronger
voices
for
meeting
less
frequently
because
they
didn't
have
time
so
I
figure
with
numerous
new
members
would
really
like
to
hear
from
them
that
a
once
a
month,
meeting,
plus
whatever
homework
comes
from
any
working
group
you're
in,
is
something
you
feel
like
you
could
actually
accomplish.
H
C
J
B
Okay,
Dave
Dave,
yay
or
nay,
to
meeting
monthly.
D
G
B
C
G
B
Which
I
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
do
that?
Okay,
new
business,
moving
on
so
annual
report
and
potential
recommendations,
so
I
think.
Basically,
what
we
wanted
to
do
is
just
make
everyone
aware
of
that
that
that's
coming
up,
that's
something
that
comes
basically
Rick
and
I
will
be.
Writing.
We've
already
talked
about
the
vehicle
noise
task
force,
information
and
potentially
including
that
in
in
the
annual
report.
B
It's
essentially
the
not
just
potential
recommendations,
but
it
also
lets
city
council
know
what
we've
been
working
on
or
what
our
focus
is
going
to
be
for
2023.,
so
pretty
much.
We
just
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
to
be
thinking
about
that.
You
know
based
on
these
working
groups
and
based
on
what
we've
been
tackling
so
far
this
last
year
of
information
and
what
we're
going
to
present.
So
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that.
Rick.
A
No,
that
was
right
on
target
I
would
say
if
any
of
the
members
thinks
that
there's
a
topic
that
we
should
be
working
toward,
that
we've
ignored
now,
would
be
a
great
time
to
tell
us.
So
we
could
figure
out
how
to
put
that
into
the
annual
report.
B
Absolutely
is
new
working
groups,
and
so
is
there.
Anybody
who
wants
to
propose
a
new
working
group.
D
H
B
So
we
currently
have
the
the
vehicular
noise
group
and
we
have
the
decibel
level
working
group
which
is
is
looking.
You
know
it's
obviously
going
to
expand
with
some
of
the
work
that
we're
talking
about
doing
so.
Those
are
the
two
working
groups
that
we
have
right
now.
There's
you
know,
you'll
see.
The
next
agenda
item,
for
instance,
is
about
the
you
know
that
Rick's
going
to
talk
about
is
the
downtown
waste
hauling
and
so,
for
instance,
like
that's
something
that
could
be
a
working
group
of
like.
A
And
and
Liliana
I
don't
really
know
whether
you've
been
in
any
of
these
kinds
of
settings
before
but
working
groups
you
know
Jeff
and
I
we
can
meet
anytime,
we
see
fit
that
doesn't
have
to
wait
for
the
next
official
meeting
we
can't
decide
anything.
All
a
working
group
group
can
do
is
bring
a
recommendation
to
the
board
for
a
vote
so
because
of
that
we
can
meet
17
times
between
now
and
then
the
next
meeting
and
do
work
at
whatever
Pace
we
see
fit
and
it
isn't
subject
to
public.
A
We
don't
have
to
set
up
a
zoom
meeting.
We
don't
have
to
have
all
that
kind
of
stuff
on.
So
that's
that's
where
the
work
gets
done
on
a
topic
that
we'd
get
nowhere
in
a
year.
If
all
we
had
was
a
20-minute
slice
in
each
one
of
these
meetings.
Right,
so
that's!
That's
why
you
do
it
well,
people
are
thinking,
Todd
I
think
it
was
maybe
before
you
were
really
in
your
leadership
position
with
this,
but
there
seemed
to
be
a
fair
amount
of
angst
about
public
space
noise.
A
A
That
you'd
want
us
to
form
a
working
group
on
that.
We
have
not
paid
attention
to.
I
C
A
B
Fair
enough,
okay,
Rick!
You
want
to
talk
about
the
downtown
waste
hauling.
A
Yeah,
so
this
came
up
sometime
back
and
notes
from
that
time.
Back
said,
you
know
this
really
needs
to
be
driven
by
downtown
residents
that
you
know
it's
kind
of
not
really
a
noise
problem.
It's
not
it's
not!
Maybe
something
we
can
tackle
on
our
own,
so
I
reached
out
to
downtown
residents
the
largest
downtown
residence
Association
and
I
got
an
earful
of
how
long
they
had
been
trying
to
solve
this
problem
and
have
essentially
made
no
progress.
A
Their
perspective
is
that
they
were
not
treated
well
in
the
ordinance
because,
prior
to
the
ordinance
waste,
Hall
pickup
could
not
begin
until
6
a.m
and
somehow
it
got
moved
back
to
5,
A.M
and
so
I'd
like
to
work
with
them
to
draft
a
proposal
to
city
council.
That
city
council
form
a
task
force
outside
of
the
noise
ordinance
to
revisit
the
start
time
of
waste
haulers,
based
on
looking
at
successful
efforts
by
other
cities
to
have
a
more
controlled
approach
to
Rich
waste
hauler
serves
Which
business
downtown.
A
A
Well,
they
can
hire
six
different
waste
haulers
who
have
to
fight
and
Claw
their
way
into
that
alley
and
and
be
out
of
there
before
the
pedestrian
traffic
picks
up
because
they're
worried
about
accidents,
because
these
are
nasty
trucks
trying
to
get
in
and
out
of
tight
spaces,
and
essentially
they
convinced
the
city
in
the
noise
ordinance
writing
time.
But
even
at
six
o'clock
they
were
worried
about
hurting
people
and
I
recently
read
a
study
by
New
York
who
faced
this
problem
a
few
years
ago.
A
They
had
90
different
waste,
haulers
serving
downtown
New
York
and
they
basically
took
it
all
over
and
said.
Okay,
you
get
this
section,
you
get
that
section!
You
get
that
section
and
then
worked
with
them
to
set
reasonable
rates
so
that
no
business
was
getting
and
undue
costs.
So
there
are
examples
in
the
world
on
how
to
handle
your
downtown
business
district
so
that
they
can
get
in
and
out,
and
it
won't
carry
hypothetically
a
large
burden
in
cost
on
the
businesses
down
there.
A
But
right
now
nobody's
trying
to
manage
that
so
task
force
that
would
contain
residents,
waste,
haulers,
Business,
Leaders
and
the
sanitation
staff
would
theoretically
be
able
to
come
up
with
best
practices
and
then
put
together
a
plan
that
would
have
a
side
effect
of
making
a
recommendation
to
the
noise
ordinance
team
that
downtown
waste
hauling
couldn't
start
until
7
A.M
or
what
was
ever
was
more
appropriate
and
our
job
would
be
we're
the
only
channel
to
get
that
whole
task
force
started.
So
we
would
make
that
recommendation
based
on
the
complaints
we
have.
J
I
think
that's
a
good
model
and
I
know
we
talked
about
this
during
the
summer
as
well
and
I
guess
my
one
thought
is
to
be
as
ahead
of
the
curve
as
possible
in
anticipating
any
sort
of
frictions
or
Hang-Ups.
That
might
happen
with
this,
because
it
would
be
kind
of
you
know,
a
fairly
significant
reorientation
for
these
waste
management
companies,
even
though
the
system
totally
makes
sense
and
I'm
I'm
sure
that
it
framed
a
certain
way.
J
You
know
such
as
you
don't
have
to
if
there's
ever
been
a
situation
where
there's
two
companies
with
two
trucks,
literally
in
the
same
alley,
Corridor
or
you
know
tight
situation
or
they
have
to
navigate
around
each
other
I,
don't
know
if
that
has
ever
happened
or
whatever,
but
what
I'm
getting
at
is
like
dividing
it
up
into
equal
dividing
the
city
up
into
equal
portions.
J
J
Otherwise,
you
know
if
it's
not-
and
you
know,
company,
there's
company,
A
and
B,
just
hypothetically
am
I,
am
I
losing
my
signal.
I
have
a
bad
connection
all
right.
The
lag
is
really
bad
over
here,
but.
J
Your
screens
are
all
freezing
and
moving
at
different
rates.
So
it's
really
it's
it's
a
really
wild
scene
over
here.
Okay,
so
yeah.
If
there's
company
a
and
there's
company
B
and
the
city
divides
it
up,
but
you
know
the
the
city's
not
a
perfect,
Grid
or
whatever,
and
if
one
company
has
a
little
they
they
have
less
Roots.
Just
barely
by
you
know,
five
percent
less
roots
or
pickups
than
they
used
to,
and
one
company
has
five
percent
more
or
something
like
that.
J
How
might
those
companies
react
I
mean?
Does
that
mean
that
you
know
that
that
will
affect
their
business
their
bottom
line
no,
and
that
it
might
be
a
naive
question
with
some
sort
of
simple
solution,
but
I'm
I.
J
This
is
a
question
that
I
thought
of
earlier,
because
I
really
do
like
this
solution
and
if,
if
there's
a
way
that
it
can
be
done,
I
think
it
totally
makes
sense
to
kind
of
like
it's,
it's
managing
traffic
really
and
managing
the
the
competition
for
any
sort
of
like
one
company
wanting
to
get
into
one
Alleyway
early.
So
they
can
beat
the
other
companies
there
and
not
have
to
be
stuck
behind.
You
know
another
truck
or
something
that
that
will
block
the
road
or
what
have
you
I'm
guessing?
J
This
is
why
some
of
them
start
early
as
well,
sometimes
but
yeah
I'm,
just
thinking
about
like
what
what
it
might
actually
look
like
if
this
good
idea
is
proposed
and
these
companies
get
the
new
map
that
says
this
is
your
District.
This
is
your
District.
A
That
sorry
I
had
audio
problems
for
a
while,
so
I
lost
a
bunch,
which
is
why
I
went
out
and
came
back
in
that's
the
task.
Force
has
a
specific
meaning
to
the
city
and
it's
a
cross-functional
group
of
people
who
get
together
to
solve
a
particular
problem
and
the
waste
haulers
have
to
be
there.
The
sanitation
people
have
to
be
their
Business,
Leaders
need
to
be
there,
and
residents
need
to
be
there.
A
When
we
discuss
this
going
in
to
the
first
draft
of
the
noise
ordinance,
we
had
no
residents
other
than
me
and
I.
Don't
live
downtown
in
attendance
with
three
waste
haulers,
a
sanitation
leader
and
City
staff,
and
the
waste
hauler
is
my
recollection.
They
may
deny
it
they
don't
really
love
the
system
as
it
is,
because,
hypothetically
these
guys
have
to
start
at
five
o'clock.
They
sit
around
and
wait
for
trucks
to
pull
out,
so
they
can
get
into
their
dumpster
and
so
they're,
paying
their
guys
a
longer
job.
A
The
response
from
sanitation,
which
is
often
the
case
when
City
staff
is
always
under
the
gun
for
a
thousand
things,
was
we
need
to
hire
somebody
to
go
figure
this
out,
and
my
response
to
the
downtown
residences
are:
are
roll
up
your
sleeves
and
offer
some
elbow
grease
to
help
try
to
figure
this
out.
Otherwise,
you're
going
to
be
waiting
for
four
budget
Cycles
before
the
city
comes
up
with
enough
money
to
hire
a
person
to
do
it
right
just
go.
Do
the
homework
I
mean?
A
A
A
City
staff
could
throw
up
their
arms
and
say
I
can't
even
afford
to
put
anybody
on
this
task
force,
but
the
downtown
residents
who
feel
pain
from
this
don't
have
any
other
challenge.
Channel
and
they've
been
trying
for
a
long
time
to
get
somebody
to
pay
attention
to
them
and
since
we're
the
owners
of
the
five
o'clock
start
time,
it
seems
logical
that
we'd
make
the
recommendation
to
put
people
together.
However,
many
months
it
takes
to
figure
this
out
to
read
the
report
from
New,
York
and
other
places
to
do
this.
J
It's
not
just
going
to
benefit
the
people,
so
the
the
in,
in
a
way
that
you
know
the
their
garbage,
isn't
going
to
be
picking
up
being
picked
up
at
5
a.m,
but
also
framed
to
the
companies
in
such
a
way.
That's
like
hey.
We
know
that
you
guys
have
been
waiting
around
like.
Has
this
really
been
an
issue
being
stuck
behind
the
other
companies
XYZ
like?
Would
you
be?
You
know
agreeable
to
sitting
at
a
table
and
And
discussing
some
options
with
us
in
the
city.
A
A
A
I
can't
take
on
the
lead
of
another
working
group
inside
the
noise
Advisory
Board,
so
I
can't
be
that
person
B
I
felt
that
the
direction
the
noise
Advisory
Board
gave
when
we
talked
about
this
first
time
was
let
the
residents
lead
and
so
I
went
and
tried
to
make
that
happen,
and
they
basically
threw
up
their
hands
and
say:
we've
been
trying.
We
need
help
and
see.
A
If
we
don't
even
think
we
should
make
the
recommendation,
then
it'll
be
in
the
in
the
minutes,
and
I
will
just
tell
the
residents
that
I
had
worked
with
that.
We
still
think
task.
Force
is
a
good
idea,
but
you're
gonna
have
to
go
raise
that
yourself
with
City
Council.
A
Those
are
the
only
two
ways.
I
know
how
to
proceed.
All
the
questions
you've
asked
are
good
ones,
but
that's.
The
purpose
of
test
scores
is
to
peel
back
the
onion
on
that
sort
of
thing
and
find
out.
If
what
I
recall
from
a
one-hour
meeting
in
with
three
waste
haulers
and
a
sanitation
leader,
whether
I
have
communicated
that
effectively
and
correctly.
A
So
I
think
from
my
perspective,
Jessica
I,
don't
know
if
emotion
is
due
because
I
don't
have
anything
tangible
other
than
a
notion
to
present.
But
I
will
draft
a
resolution
language
far
enough
in
advance
of
the
next
meeting
in
January
to
have
that
out
there
for
the
team
to
review
to
see
if,
if
that's
appropriate
and
if
that
creates
a
bunch
of
more
conversation,
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
in
as
a
resolution
in
the
annual
report,
just
as
an
area
that
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
the
rest
of
the
Shania.
B
E
E
Okay,
they
are
not
entering
the
speaker
queue,
so
I
think
we
are
okay.
We
did
receive
some
comments
that
I
emailed
over
to
you
all
prior
to
the
meeting.
It
is
up
to
you
if
you'd
like
to
read
those
aloud
now
or
we
could
just
discuss
summarize
what
the
comments
said.
B
E
B
I,
just
I
I,
really
you
know
it's
it's,
and,
and
for
those
that
did
send
information
in
you
know
send
in
public
comment.
We
do
appreciate
it
this
again,
the
one
that
you're
talking
about
that
has
so
many
different
points
to
it
really
does
just
illustrate
the
you
know,
just
the
subjectiveness
of
it
right
that
were
of
what
we
deal
with
is
because
it's
like
first
thing
is
bands.
B
Fireworks
parades
the
city
should
probably
state
in
their
letters
when
they
approve
performances,
but
then
goes
on
to
say:
drums
played
for
even
hours
at
50
DB,
really
our
noise
buskers
without
amplification,
rarely
or
noise,
a
rapper
saying
a
mean
things
to
those
passed
by
using
an
amp
for
three
or
four
hours
under
65.
Dba
is
certainly
noise.
B
I
mean
I.
Think
this.
This
person
basically
illustrates
the
the
challenges
that
we
have.
Freedom
of
religion
really
does
not
mean
that
they
can
be
loud
and
disturbing,
but
also
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
earlier
is
somebody
mentioned
this.
The
same
person
mentioned
the
signs
in
Greenville,
South
Carolina,
discouraging
noise.
I
know
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
brought
up
and
talked
about
in
the
past.
B
So
yeah
I
mean
I
think
that
this
brings
up
a
lot
of
good
points.
Enforcement
is
a
very
tough
job,
giving
I
hope
you
give
them
the
tools
they
need
in
a
workable
process
and
then,
of
course,
brings
up
vehicle
noise,
which
is
something
else
that
we've
already
talked
about
and
and
about
the
muffler
so
hopefully
we'll
be
getting
to
some
sort
of
we'll
hopefully
have
that
recommendation
sooner
than
later
for
city
council.
J
No
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
I'm,
I'm
terribly
sorry,
but
I
have
to
leave
it's
it's
after
9
30
over
here
and
there's
a
snowstorm
outside
and
I
have
to
walk
a
little
bit
to
get
back
to
my
own
apartment
and
terribly
sorry
for
leaving
early,
but
I'll
be
back
in
Asheville
and
in
your
time
zone
early
January,
so
I
will
see
you
all.
Then.
Thank
you
all
for
your
time.
Thank.
D
B
Wow,
so
any
any
questions
or
comments
about
the
public
comment
that
we've
received
no.
H
H
B
Yeah
I
mean,
and
that's
part
of
what
we've
you
know,
I
think
it's
one
of
the
things
that
we
continue
to
just
keep
in
mind
as
we're
trying
to
you
know,
obviously
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
answers
of
things
that
are
going
to
best
suit
the
community
right
and
all
in
as
many
aspects
but
I
you
know,
I
just
I,
don't
ever
want
us
to
lose
sight
on
the
fact
that
this
is
a
difficult
subject
to
tackle,
because
of
that
I
mean
even
seeing
that
from
some
of
the
complainants
responses
from
the
surveys
that
Rick
and
Jeff
did
where
folks
were
like.
B
A
So
you
know
it
is
really
hard
I
feel
like
you're
missing
something
that
I
can't
really
put
my
finger
on
it.
You
know
and
don't
just
don't
mistake,
what
I'm
about
to
say:
I
am
not
advocating
for
more
decibel
limits
on
other
things,
but
I
keep
on
asking
myself.
You
know,
as
I
read
this
all
the
things
that
many
of
the
things
that
this
writer
wrote.
A
This
is
noise,
even
though
it's
below
a
certain
one
there,
some
of
them
are
in
public
space
and
as
such,
they're
governed
by
the
nuisance
part
of
the
ordinance,
which
leaves
it
to
the
discretion
of
the
compliance
organization
to
assess
whether
it's
noise
or
not,
and
I
I
I
find
myself
asking
myself.
How
well
is
that
going?
A
You
know
how
many
Busker,
complaints
or
pack
Square
megaphone
complaints
or
whatever
those
are
that
fit
that
how
many
of
them
have
there
been?
What's
the
experience
of
the
compliance
team
in
trying
to
apply
a
subjective
part
to
it
and
who
or
how
would
anybody
look
at
the
detail
around
that
interaction
and
reach
conclusion
on
whether
it's
effective
or
ineffective?
A
And
we
don't
ever
talk
about
that
and
that's
at
least
partially,
because
we've
been
we've
got
other
stuff
on
our
plates
here
that
we're
trying
to
get
figured
out.
But
it's
also
because
that
the
notes
taken
by
the
compliance
team
and
please
Todd,
correct
me
if
I'm
getting
this
wrong
were
not
intended
for
public
consumption.
A
They
have
they
name
names.
They
they
do
things
that
the
city
staff
is
rightfully
concerned
would
violate
privacy
regulations
or
put
people
in
an
awkward
spot
or
that
sort
of
thing.
So
how
could
we
ever
as
a
board,
learn.
A
A
We
have
anecdotal
right,
I,
remember
Daniel,
saying
that
one
complaint
complained
because
the
singer
was
off
key
and
it's
his
Judgment
at
that
moment
that
that's
not
a
reasonable
complaint.
A
We
can't
make
any
recommendations
or
build
a
working
group
or
anything
like
that
around
one
example
like
that,
so
I
don't
know.
Maybe
in
a
future
meeting
we
could
try
to
figure
out
a
better
way
for
the
board
to
be
aware
of
the
challenge
and
be
aware
of
how
frequently
a
complaint
yields
an
action
with
where
somebody's
warned
or
that
the
judgment
is
it's
not
noise
right,
I,
don't
know,
I,
hope
that
makes
sense
to
the
board
that
I'm
not
really
sure
we
have
data.
That
would
help
us
take
action
at
this
point
in
time.
A
B
Yeah,
it
makes
sense
Rick
it's
public
space,
especially
that's
it's
kind
of
what
this
person
is
getting
to
is,
like
you
know,
looking
at
loudness
versus
duration
versus
all
of
these
different
things.
A
The
references,
the
Busker
Collective
with
the
Busker
Community
Support,
making
the
bus
go
Collective
turn
into
ordinance
language
I
have
no
idea.
Would
that
would
that
would
that?
Does
the
compliance
team
even
know
what
the
Busker
Collective
calls
for
and
have
has
it
ever?
Anybody
ever
asked
them
to
apply
it
to
the
public
space
stuff
to
see
if
it
I
don't
know,
I
feel
like
I'm,
just
babbling.
Sorry.
B
Maybe
what
we
look
at
is
maybe
that's
some
future
business
right,
that
we
look
at
tackling
public
space
and
and
looking
at
some
of
those
those
questions
and
also
seems
like
something
that
we'd
need
to
probably
get
Daniel's
more
involved
in
in
having
that
conversation
because,
like
you
were
saying,
is
like
what
are
the
challenges
that
they're
facing
and
where
is
it
it
as
a
compliance
you
know
for
us
and
the
noise
Advisory
Board,
where
we
could
show
support
and
be
able
to
be
helpful
so
because
it
right
now
just
feels
like
a
very
big
thing
to
tackle.
F
Really
was
I
put
it
up
after
the
remarks
that
Liliana
made
about
the
note
that
pointed
out
the
dimensions
and
complexity
of
noise
and
what
the
common
denominator
of
all
that
is,
which
makes
me
think
that
we
should
all,
if
not
having
done
so
already
read
the
guidelines
for
Community
Noise
by
the
World
Health
Organization.
F
It
is
the
single
most
comprehensive
document
that
I've
ever
read.
That
summarizes
what
it
all
means.
What's
the
work
about
when
it
comes
to
community
noise
and
I,
just
can't
recommend
it
highly
Enough,
Haley
I've
got
a
copy,
I'd,
be
willing
to
send
it
to
you.
It's
a
PDF
format
and
I.
Just
think
it
would
be
great
reading
for
everybody.
I
B
G
Yeah,
just
a
quick
note:
I
mean
as
we
talk
about
how
complex
this
is
and
I
think
it
was
part
of
what
Rick
was
saying
before
too.
It's
such
a
complex
thing
for
the
enforcement
team
to
have
to
deal
with
so
I
just
wanted
to
say,
I
appreciate
the
efforts
of
them
being
out
there
trying
to
figure
out
and
navigate
this
I
know
it's
complicated
and
I
know
what
our
job
is
to
do
is
to
figure
out
a
way
to
support
what
happens
there
as
well
so
I,
just
I
just
want
to
say.