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B
The
downtown
commission
is
made
up
of
11
men,
members
appointed
by
various
organizations,
both
the
city
of
asheville,
buncombe,
county
and
the
actual
downtown
association,
and
we
have
a
geographic
mandate
of
looking
at
issues
that
concern
downtown
and
advising
asheville
city
council
on
those
issues,
and
one
of
our
most
important
roles
is
design
review,
which
we
are
not
going
to
see
today,
but,
as
often
is
often
an
important
part
of
our
work,
we
are
perm.
We
are
all
participating
virtually
today.
B
So
if
you
need
to
turn
your
cat
filter
on
or
off,
please
make
sure
and
do
that
at
this
time,
and
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
and
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website
and
in
addition,
this
meeting
will
be
archived
on
youtube
to
be
reviewed
in
the
future.
B
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
by
phone
and
for
those
of
you
us
out
there
welcome
so
I'm
gonna
go
through
a
roll
call
vote
now
and
we're
gonna
go
in
alphabetical
order
of
last
name.
B
So
first,
if
you
will
just
turn
your
mic
on
and
say
hello,
when
I
call
your
name
so,
commissioner
dain
barrager
president
all
right,
commissioner
franzia
charn.
B
And
acting
chair,
andrew
fletcher,
that's
me:
I'm
here,
commissioner,
kimberly
hunter.
D
A
E
D
F
G
B
Okay.
So
I'd
like
to
first
welcome
our
two
new
members,
megan
rogers,
who
has
been
to
many
of
our
meetings
as
the
executive
director
of
the
actual
downtown
association,
but
she
is
filling
in
that
spot
now,
so
everyone
welcome
megan
rogers.
B
And
in
addition,
our
other
new
member
taking
over
pam
winkler's
seat
is
guillot
rodriguez,
so
they'll
welcome
him
to
he's.
Also
a
member
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
a
former
member
of
public
art
and
cultural
commission
brings
a
lot
of
expertise
to
the
table.
H
Thank
you
for
calling
me
guillo,
please
everyone
call
me
gyogi,
I'm
so
official
and
I
I
know
about
half
of
you
so
nice
to
see
you
all
again
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
rest
of
you.
I
am
always
guillo.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
so
with
that,
if
anyone
has,
if
everyone
has
reviewed
the
minutes,
if
we
could
get
either
any
changes
or
a
motion
to
accept
the
november
minutes,
I
have.
I
B
So
can
we
get
if
there
are
no
other
changes?
Can
we
get
a
motion
as
amended
I'll
go.
I
Ahead
and
move
move
to
approve.
B
Second,
second,
second,
brian.
J
B
Yeah,
okay,
cool,
so
just
a
matter
of
process.
Do
we
need
to
roll
call
vote
for
minutes,
or
we
can
say
just
saying
yes,
okay,
cool,
so
we're
gonna
roll
call
vote
for
the
minutes,
and
so
we're
gonna
go
back
through
this
dane
move
so
we're
gonna
move
to
commissioner
taran.
B
Understand
you
approve,
approve
okay,
cool
chair
fletcher
approve,
commissioner
hunter.
D
K
A
G
B
Thank
you
all
right,
so
we
gotta
have
a
we're.
B
Gonna
have
a
just
a
brief
review
of
the
agenda
and
for
everyone
listening
along,
I
am
going
to
introduce
each
member
of
the
each
item
of
the
agenda
and
if,
when
we
are
going
to
be
speaking
without
being
introduced,
if
you
would,
please
say
hello
so
that
people
who
are
only
listening
can
know
who
is
speaking,
say
hello
and
your
name
too,
just
as
a
reminder,
so
we're
going
to
hear
from
bernard
oliphant
shortly,
who
is
a
member
of
the
vance
monument
task
force?
B
We
are
going
to
hear
from
ben
woody
a
development
service
director
about
the
noise
ordinance
revisions
timeline
and
engagement,
updates,
we're
going
to
have
priorities
and
recommendations
for
2020
annual
report,
which
we've
been
putting
together
this
week
with
your
with
your
input,
we'll
have
a
resolution
from
robin
reigns
on
advocating
for
housing,
first
solutions
of
officer
elections
and
then
a
subcommittee
reorganization,
followed
by
updates
and
reports,
and
then
public
comment,
informal
discussion
and
finally
in
adjournment.
B
So
if
we
run
on
time
we'll
be
we'll
be
wrapping
up
about
11
o'clock
so
with
that
being
said,
I'm
gonna
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
the
from
bernard
oliphant
in
the
vance
monument
task
force
report.
So
if
we
can
now
hear
from
you
bernard
thank
you
and
welcome.
E
E
Time
frame,
our
final
recommendation
was
removal
with
one
objection
and
that's
11
out
of
1
out
of
11..
E
E
If
there's
a
foul
removal
right
now,
the
city
council
is
still
reviewing
cost
for
possible
removal
or
maybe
considerations
for
repurposing,
but
the
recommendation
is
to
make
it
a
entire
green
area
to
include
removing
the
access
road
from
biltmore
down
toward
the
fire
station.
E
B
Yeah
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
work
and
the
work
of
the
task
force.
That
was
I'm
sure.
That
was
a
challenge
I
was
actually
an
applicant
for
that
myself
and
when
I
was
not
appointed,
I
kind
of
breathed
a
sigh
of
relief,
because
I
knew
the
work
that
was
going
to
go
into
that,
and
so
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
your
service
over
there
and
I'm
personally
very
pleased
with
the
results
of
your
work,
and
I
hope
that
they
move
quickly
into
be
being
reality.
E
B
After
is
there
any
more
questions
for
him
or
any
anything
else,
we'd
like
to
know,
while
we're
on
this
agenda
item.
L
Andrew
this
is
stephen
lee.
I
think
that
all
of
us
probably
have
lots
of
personal
thoughts
about
this,
and
I
think
that
it's
been
really
interesting
to
watch
this
entire
process
move
forward.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
us
were
a
bit
hesitant
about
removing
something
like
this
for
various
reasons,
and
the
process
quickly
for
me
became
very,
very
clear.
L
The
answer-
and
I
think
that
if
you
walk
in
the
space
now
and
just
visualize,
what
architecturally
is
going
to
begin
to
really
stand
out,
what
needs
to
stand
out,
the
jackson
building
the
city
hall,
the
county
building.
This
thing
just
needs
to
be
erased,
and
I
I
can
see
the
current
monument
from
where
I
live
and
I'm
just
I'm
looking
forward
to
not
seeing
it
there
anymore,
but
we,
I
really
appreciate
personally
the
work
this
committee
did,
because
that
was
that
was
a
tough.
M
I've
got
a
quick
question
are,
is
that
committee
gonna
remain
involved
as
the
process
moves
forward
and
they
look
at
specific
recommendations
and
specific
designs
for
whatever
whatever
happens
there.
B
Perhaps
the
haywood
page
task
force
and
its
evolution
into
the
implementation
committee
could
be
a
model
for
how
the
original
board
could
serve
to
continue
that
work
in
the
future.
Some
of
us,
some
of
us
on
haywood
page
task
force,
were
also
on
the
implementation
committee
and
work
forward.
So
if
I
might
suggest
that
that
is
that
model
seemed
to
work
well,
so
I
might
if,
if
the
task
force
folks
are,
are
there
and
willing,
and
and
some
of
them
wish
to
continue-
I
hope
that
there's.
B
I
hope
that
there's
room
for
them
to
serve
in
the
future.
Commissioner
rodriguez.
H
I
just
had
a
question
because
you
know
a
huge
public
art
advocate
and
I
was
wondering
if
any
consideration
was
done
to
recreate
a
a
new
piece
of
art
or
at
least
reserve
that
space
in
its
new
configuration
for
something
really
substantive,
that
becomes
a
an
icon
for
asheville
downtown
and
it.
You
know.
I
know
how
budgets
work,
but
at
least
to
be
able
to
just
designate
an
area
where
new
artwork
can
go
in
that
can
really
capture
the
spirit
and
the
vitality
of
downtown
nashville.
E
L
Chair
fletcher,
I
think
that
commissioner,
moffat
and
rodriguez
bring
up
a
really
good
point,
and
this
may
be.
This
may
be
the
position
and
and
group
to
make
the
strong
recommendation
to
the
council's
aware
of
it.
But
there
needs
to
be
a
committee,
that's
developed,
to
decide
what
most
appropriately
moves
forward.
M
E
H
That
be
a
counselor
decision,
sage
to
or
just
to
hunt
it
back
to
the
dt
and
and
come
further
tweak
the
future
possibilities.
G
I'll
tell
you
what
I
do
know
bernard
is
right.
There
is
some
effort
behind
the
scenes,
like
figuring
out
the
cost
of
things,
and
there
is
certainly
a
conversation
similar
to
the
one
you
all
are
having
right
now,
which
is
what
goes
there
next?
What
do
we
do
with
the
immediate
void?
There's
some
structure
under
there
there's
a
lot
more
going
on
than
just
what
you
see
above
ground.
G
So
there's
a
safety
thing.
You
know
there
has
to
be
a
plan.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
picked
a
direction
on
who
would
help
with
the
revision
or
whatnot
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
but
I
agree
with
the
sentiment
that
those
involved
thus
far
should
be
continually
involved
in
the
process,
but
we
haven't
really
decided
as
a
council
yet
soon.
I
believe
it's
coming
soon.
M
And-
and
I
just
vaguely
remember
discussing
this
when
I
was
rotating
off
of
hrc,
but
did
chippo
state
historic
preservation
office,
what
was
their
determination
on
whether
or
not
it
could
be
removed
according
to
that
north
carolina
monument
law?
I
can't
remember
which
one
it
is.
G
I've
had,
I
know,
of
several
emails
or
correspondence
that
are
you
know,
citing
laws
and
things
that
I
don't
fully
understand
and
that
the
city
attorney's
office
is
engaged
in.
I
would
suspect
that,
as
we
wrap
all
of
this
up,
we'll
have
information
on
all
of
those
subjects
and
deliver
it.
I
don't
want
to
say
something
that
could
potentially
be
incorrect.
I
just
don't
know
at
this
time.
B
I
believe
other
cities
have
found
that
with
their
legal
departments,
but
obviously
there's
some
interpretation
there.
I've
seen
that
it's
a
it
can
be
deemed
a
public
safety
issue
which
I
think
we've
certainly
seen
that.
B
So
there
is,
there
is
an
opportunity
here
with
the
with
the
to,
I
think,
have
a
bigger
discussion
about
urban
design
of
downtown
and
pack
square,
and
I
I
personally
hope
to
see
that
we
don't
look
at
just
the
little
piece
of
land
that
the
monument
is
on,
but
we,
you
know
just
like
the
just
like
the
task
force
was
saying,
like
you
know,
closing
that
road
and
taking
a
bigger
approach
about
all
the
traffic,
all
the
pedestrian
needs
and
all
the
opportunities
that
we
have,
especially
to
learn
from
the
lessons
of
public
space
management
that
we've
gotten
during
the
pandemic,
which
is
something
that,
in
our
downtown
priorities,
comes
up
again
and
again.
B
So
I'm
hoping
that
we
get
to
integrate
all
that
stuff.
With
this
transformational
moment,
where
we're
going
to
be
moving
past,
these
types
of
monuments
in
our
in
our
city
center,
so
yeah,
I
can't
wait
to
see
what
comes
next
and
sage.
It
sounds
like
you
can
relate
to
council
that
downtown
commission
is
a
resource
for
that,
for
whatever
process
comes
next
and
we
would,
I
think,
we'd
be
happy
to
be
called
upon.
G
Sure,
and
as
we
proceed
and
learn
you
know
be
about
me
in
this
role,
if
there's
things
that
this
commission
would
like
updates
on
and
I
can
get
a
little
notice,
I'm
happy
to
address
them
in
our
future
meetings.
B
Excellent.
Thank
you
all
right.
Well,
hearing,
no
other
questions
for
bernard
or
discussion,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item
with
thanks
to
mr
oliphant
for
his
service
and
for
his
time
this
morning.
Coming
and
talking
to
us
really
appreciate,
really
appreciate.
B
You
all
right.
Next
up,
we
have
ben
woody
development
services
director
who's,
going
to
tell
us
about
the
noise
ordnance
timeline
and
engagement
updates,
so
ben.
What
what
do
you
have
for
us.
J
Let's
try:
can
you
hear
me
now
or
no
there
we
go.
Yes,
I'm
sorry
about
that.
For
some
reason
I
have
to
plug
my
headphones
in
multiple
times
I'll,
try
again
so
yeah.
First
of
all,
I
do
not
have
a
slide
deck
this
morning,
so
I'm
just
going
to
talk
through
the
noise
ordinance
again
good
morning,
happy
friday,
my
name
is
ben
woody.
J
The
director
development
services
want
to
thank
chair,
fletcher,
councilwoman
turner
and
the
rest
of
the
commission
for
giving
me
a
few
minutes
to
provide
an
update
and
I'll
move
through
this
pretty
quickly
and
then
answer
any
questions.
You
have
I'll
also
put
a
link
in
the
chat
box.
That's
the
noise
ordinance
project
page
and,
of
course
anybody
listening
can
go
to
the
city
website
and
just
search
noise
ordinance
and
also
see
that
project
page.
So
we
started
this
process
in
2019.
I've
been
to
the
commission
several
times
to
give
updates
throughout
worked
on
it.
J
So
that
was
delayed,
so
we
didn't
really
do
much
with
this
ordinance
for
most
of
2020,
but
then
in
november
of
2020
we
did
release
the
draft
ordinance
and
again
that
draft
ordinance
was
essentially
ready
back
in
march,
but
we
released
that
in
november
of
2020
we
had
a
public
comment
period
on
that
draft
ordinance.
It
was
open
through
mid-december.
J
We
got
a
ton
of
comments,
almost
almost
900,
so
I
would
say
all
things
being
relative.
That's
a
pretty
good
number
of
comments
for
people
that
are
reading
an
ordinance
and
basically
where
we're
at
now
is
probably
the
big
issue
that
came
out
of
those
comments-
and
I
think
this
does
relate
to
downtown-
is
a
lot
of
concern
over
how
the
standards,
how
the
ordinance
was
dealing
with
and
I'll
say,
basically
amplified
sound.
So
what
we?
J
What
we
found
is
members
of
asheville's
music,
community
music
professionals,
venue
owners
were
really
concerned
about
the
the
permitting
the
standards
that
would
be
in
place
for
amplified
sound.
Of
course,
you
know
you
also
have
residents
and
groups
of
residents
that
are
also
concerned
about.
B
J
Impact
that
amplified
sound
can
have
on
their
quality
of
life,
so
where
we're
at
now
is
is
and
I'll
review.
So
what
came
out
of
that
was
was
a
handful
of
things
and
this
these
are
kind
of
the
next
steps.
The
first
thing
is,
and
I'm
going
to
acknowledge
this.
The
timing
of
this
ordinance
is
not
good.
We
acknowledge
that
I
mean
in
an
industry
in
a
city
that
really
is
struggling
in
a
lot
of
ways
rolling
out.
A
new
set
of
regulations
on
top
of
that
was
was,
is
not
good
and
we
have.
J
The
staff
is
recommending
in
the
public
safety
council
committee.
I
believe,
committed
to
you
know
continuing
to
work
on
this
noise
ordinance,
but
also
acknowledging
that
any
effective
date
or
any
implementation
of
a
new
set
of
standards
needs
to
come
after
the
pandemic.
So
you
know
I
don't
know
when
that
effective
date
will
be
we'd
like
to
get
this
ordinance
and
program
done,
but
I
will
acknowledge.
I
have
no
doubt
that
council
will
not
implement
this
until
we
are
back
into
a
better
place
as
a
community.
J
Interestingly,
in
2020
there
was
no
dip
in
those
numbers,
so
we
we
got
a
consistent
number
of
noise
complaints
pandemic
or
not
so
there's
still
quality
of
life
noise
issues
that
exist
in
the
community
that
need
to
be
addressed,
but
the
timing
of
new
standards.
We
have
to
be,
you
know,
sensitive
to
to
the
conditions
that
exist.
J
So
what
we
have
proposed
is
number
one
is
to
delay
the
effective
date
of
this
ordinance.
We
do
want
to
continue
to
work
on
it,
and
I
would
ask
the
commission
to
look
at
this.
Not
just
an
ordinance
is
one
piece
of
a
program
so
we're
looking
at
this.
The
staff
is
as
a
program
we
want
to
have
an
ordinance,
that's
a
tool
to
set
expectations.
We
want
to,
you
know,
promote
a
good
neighbor
policy.
J
J
So
when
we
do
bring
this
to
council,
hopefully
we're
much
closer
together
on
the
ordinance
on
that
aspect
of
it
we're
actively
meeting
having
good
meetings,
I
think
getting
good
information
between
those
groups
has
really
been
powerful
and
we're
getting.
I
think,
to
a
good
compromise
on
that
piece
of
the
ordinance.
J
The
other
thing
that
we're
working
on,
of
course,
our
input
processes
are
open
to
everybody.
You
know
we
put
flyers
everywhere,
make
it
available,
but
not
everybody
participates.
So
we
still
believe
that,
when
we
kind
of
look
at
the
data
on
the
ordinance
input,
we
didn't
get
a
lot
of.
We
don't
think
we
got
a
lot
of
feedback
from
people
that
live
in
public
housing,
communities
or
multi-family
communities
and
that's
important,
because
the
majority
of
noise
complaints
actually
come
from
multi-family
developments.
J
So
we
know
that's
where
the
bulk
of
the
or
the
heavy
lift
is
so
to
speak.
So
we're
continuing
to
try
to
reach
out
to
those
those
multi-family
communities
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
can
ask
those
residents
and
those
owners
did
we
get
this
right,
so
that
continues
to
be
a
challenge,
but
that's
another
piece
that
we
are
actively
working
on
and
then
the
last
thing
I'll
share
with
this.
This
commission,
which
is
really
important
too.
J
This
is
also
part
of
the
reimagining
public
safety
initiative.
So
one
of
the
things
that
my
department's
been
asked
to
do
is
is
to
integrate
we've
integrated
animal
services.
You
may
or
may
not
know
that,
but
we're
also
integrating
noise,
ordinance
enforcement
and
trying
to
take
more
of
that
off
of
the
police
department.
So
so
what
that
looks
like
is
you
know?
How
do
we
as
a
department
number
one,
is
how
do
we
reduce
noise
complaints
and
improve
the
quality
of
life?
J
You
know,
rather
than
have
apd
respond
each
night
when
that's
an
issue,
the
logic
or
the
the
program
is
you've
got
non-apd
staff
that
can
reach
out
to
those
situations
and
try
to
address
those
kind
of
kind
of
from
a
systemic.
You
know
try
to
deal
with
the
source
of
the
problem,
not
just
react
to
the
problem
and
those
those
pieces
in
terms
of
staffing
that
and
approaching,
you
know
noise
differently.
Those
will
continue
to
move
forward.
We're
going
to
try
to
try
to
begin
to
do
that.
J
J
So
what
I
would
expect
generally
is
we'd
like
to
get
an
ordinance
to
council
in
march
or
april.
We're
still
trying
to
do
that
and
tie
these
loose
ends
up
and
then,
of
course
see
you
begin
to
see
the
dsd
department
staff
some
of
these
functions
as
part
of
reimagining
public
safety
and
ultimately,
hopefully
have
a
new
ordinance
in
place
sometime
later
in
2021,
when
we're
through
this
pandemic,
which
it
could
be
later
than
that.
So
with
that
I'll
I'll,
stop
talking
and
answer
any
questions
the
commission
may
have.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah,
thank
you
director
with
director
woody.
I
wanted
to
ask
if
you
all
had
considered
actually
making
the
downtown
a
higher
threshold
for
noise,
because
oftentimes
in
city
centers,
just
by
the
nature
of
being
a
city
center
and
all
of
the
business
and
the
activities
there's
just
a
higher
noise
level
in
general,
and
it's
you
know
whether
it's
a
multi-family
unit
or
not.
So
I
was
wondering
in
counterbalancing
some
of
the
things
that
you
mentioned,
which
I
think
is
really
great.
D
J
That's
a
really
good
question
and
we
actually
did.
We
did
propose
that
in
the
draft
and
I
think
we'll
continue
to
propose
that
so
there
are
other
higher
decibel
levels
allowed
in
downtown
there's
differences
in
the
times
that
those
decimals
can
be
created
and
even
areas
like
trash
service,
for
example.
You
know
we
have
to
allow
trash
service
to
happen
earlier
in
downtown
because
of
the
nature
of
it.
So
yeah
we
have
distinguished
the
cbd
from
other
areas
of
the
city,
but
that's
a
really
good.
That's
a
good
intuitive
question.
I
For
the
downtown
residents,
I
would
be
totally
opposed
to
increasing
the
sound
limits
for
downtown
beyond
what
they
are
right
now
and
we
already
deal
with
all
kinds
of
sound
issues
you
mentioned.
You
know
the
trash
trucks
that
come
around
at
six
o'clock
in
the
morning,
the
fire
engines
that
come
by
our
house
24
hours
a
day,
basically
and
all
the
other
street
noises
from
buskers
and
bars
and
everything
else.
I
think
that
you
would
have
a
major
push
back
if
you
wanted
to
increase
the
noise
limits
specifically
for
downtown.
H
J
C
Yeah,
so
thank
you
so
much
ben
for
for
your
comprehensive
report
and
and
all
of
your
diligence.
I
know
this
is
a
very
hard
ordinance
to
roll
out,
especially
since
we
have
had
very
not
much
of
one
up
to
now,
but
because
of
the
the
specific
issues
right
now
with
you
know
the
coronavirus.
C
I
know
a
lot
of
venues
have
really
built
out
their
outdoor
spaces,
whether
it's
restaurants
or
music
venues
and
are
relying
on
those
outdoor
spaces
to
you
know,
carry
them
through,
especially
while
we're
still
dealing
with
pandemic,
and
so
inevitably
the
outdoor
space
is
going
to
be.
You
know,
especially
in
the
downtown
area.
Louder.
C
We've
also
had
new
new
businesses
like
rabbit
rabbit,
open
with
a
certain
business
plan
in
order
to
operate
primarily
with
you
know,
events
and
music
in
a
very
residential
area
of
downtown-
and
I
know
you
know-
I
know
all
this-
I'm
very
very
concerned
about
our
local
businesses
coming
out
of
the
pandemic.
C
Already
having
you
know,
major
financial
burdens
on
them,
even
you
know
possibly
not
surviving
and
then
having
this
new
ordinance
coming
along
with
some.
C
You
know
fiscal
penalties
and
then
even
penalties
of
you
know
pro
a
probationary
period
of
like
30
days,
where
you
know
music
venues
book
events
long
long
before
30
days
and
already
have
to
pay
a
huge
amount,
huge
sums
to
get
those
events
here
and
if
they
are
have
to
close
for
30
days
because
of
a
you
know,
offense
of
you
know
the
noise
ordinance,
then
that
could
easily
easily
put
them
out
of
business.
I
know
you.
C
But
I
know
that
they're
also
asking
for
a
period
of
one
to
two
years
of
trial
period,
where
you
know
you
work
together
to
make
sure
that
this
ordinance
is
what
we
need
and
is
at
the
levels
that
we
need
it
or
if
it's
too
punitive
or
and
and
then
the
other
thought
I
had
or
the
other.
The
other
question
I
had
was
could
could
there
be
something
instead
of
the
fine?
C
Is
there
a
way
to
put
money
towards
developing
these
outdoor
spaces
so
that
they
are
more,
that
they
are
quieter
and
helping
the
venues
build
out
spaces
that
have
buffer
zones?
And
things
like
that?
I
know
it's
very
very
concerning
and
our
venues
are,
are
terrified
that
they
won't
be
able
to
operate.
J
So
yeah
really
really
good
comments.
I'll
take
a
second
to
address
those
number
one:
the
staff
we
100
support
a
delayed
effective
date.
So
yes,
everybody's
going
to
be
outdoors
because
they
have
to
and
we
need
to
give
businesses
an
opportunity
to
get
their
financial
books
in
order,
so
to
speak.
So
I
think
the
city
we're
going
to
recommend
being
flexible
with
any
kind
of
start
of
new
any
new
program.
J
J
The
other
piece
is
in
terms
of
the
concerns
over
enforcement,
the
punitive
nature
of
the
ordinance
you're
right
about
that
that
that
was
probably
you
know
that
needs
that
needs
to
read
differently
and
be
different
as
part
of
the
program
we
have
the
group
we're
meeting
with.
We
have
every
major
venue
owner
in
asheville
in
the
meeting
at
the
table,
so
rabbit
rabbit.
J
You
know,
I
won't
name
everybody
I'll
name,
the
ones
you
name,
but
all
the
other
ones
that
you
would
name
are
on
in
these
meetings
with
these
residents,
and
we
are
all
committed
to
saying
that.
Yes,
if
you
have
a
doorman
or
door
woman,
that
leaves
a
door
open
accidentally,
one
night,
we
are
not
coming
to
shut
down
your
venue
and,
yes,
you
need
an
opportunity
to
balance
your
operations
to
take
measurements,
to
make
adjustments
to
orientation
of
speakers.
J
Things
like
that,
and
so
we're
going
to
add
that
into
the
ordinance
and
there's
there
seems
to
be
broad
support
about
doing
that
and
we're
looking
at
austin
texas.
If
you
want
to
do
that,
austin
has
a
really
good
setup
in
terms
of
they
have
permitting,
but
they
have
you
know
ways
they
have
opportunities
to
to
address
violations
before
you
actually
lose
your
permits.
We're
trying
to
build
that
into
the
ordinance
they're
objective
steps
towards
so
the
residents
can
take
heart
in
if
we
get.
J
If
we
get
a
loud
show,
there
are
objective
processes
that
the
venue
owner
can
take
to
correct
that
now,
of
course,
if
they
don't
there's
consequences,
but
yes,
that's
everything
you
said
franzi
is
spot
on
and
those
are
things
we
were
actively
talking
about
with
the
owners
of
these
venues
and
these
and
music
professionals
in
asheville.
So
I
just
want
to
assure
you
those
conversations
are
happening.
A
Thank
you.
This
is
megan
rogers.
Actually
I
was
going
to
ask
the
same
question
that
commissioner
sharon
just
asked.
That's
been
one
of
the
big
concerns
that
I've
heard
is
that
the
punitive
nature
right
out
of
the
gate
was
was
frightening
for
the
venues
and
a
30-day
revocation
of
a
permit,
even
in
non-pandemic
times,
would
be
detrimental
to
these
businesses.
So
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
that.
There's
a
lot
of
collaborative
conversations
happening
and
just
wanted
to
echo
that
statement
and
appreciate
the
work
y'all
are
y'all
are
doing
on
this.
Thank
you.
B
M
Thank
you
quickly,
one
of
the
primary
things
of
the
norse
noise
ordinance,
let's
use
equity
as
a
lens
through
which
to
evaluate
policy,
both
criteria
and
enforcement,
and
I
understand
that
moving
enforcement
from
apd
to
development
services
is
part
of
that.
But
it's
the
criteria
part.
M
So
if,
if
multi-family
is
one
of
the
the
the
primary
areas
where
you
receive
calls-
and
I
know
you
said
you're
kind
of
having
a
little
difficulty
getting
engagement
with
them
on
the
criteria
side,
what
else
are
you
doing
to
ensure
that
you
are
using
equity
as
a
lens
for
the
criteria
itself?
I
see
the
enforcement
side
of
it
and
thank
you
for
that.
I'm
curious
about
the
criteria
and
how
we're
getting
those
folks
involved.
J
J
80
of
noise
complaints
come
from
residential
areas
and
they
tend
to
come
from
multi-family
communities.
And
if
you
take
an
another
layer,
they
tend
to
come
from
multi-family
communities
that
don't
have
air
conditioning,
because
most
noise
complaints
are
in
the
summer
and
it's
in
the
evenings
and
then
there's
a
correlation
between
that
with
census
tracts
that
have
higher
than
normal
proportions
of
minority
populations.
J
So
you
kind
of
build
the
data
upon
itself
and
you
realize
that
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
are
in
these
multi-family
communities
and
then
the
question
is
fundamentally
is:
when
you
address
that
one
is,
you
could
send
a
police
officer
with
a
noise
meter
and
you
could
try
to
sort
that
out
and
issue
citations
to
individuals.
We
don't
think
that
is
equitable
in
any
any
sense
of
the
word.
So
our
approach
to
that
brian
is
or
commissioner
moffat
is.
J
We
want
to
look
at
the
data
identify
areas
where
there's
concentrated
complaints,
so
if
I
can
see
that
in
a
community
in
the
month
of
june
we've
gotten,
this
is
this:
is
real
data
60
noise
complaints
in
one
month?
What
we're
actually
going
to
do
is
reach
out
to
the
owner
of
that
apartment,
complex,
make
them
aware
of
the
problems
and
actually
try
to
work
with
the
owner
to
have
them
address
those
problems.
J
Most
most
multi-family
communities
have
quiet
hours,
they
have
policies
in
place
and
the
question
is:
how
can
we
number
one
make
them
aware
of
these
issues
and
then
number
two
is
what
resources,
what
tools,
what
education?
What
what
can
the
city
do
to
help
facilitate
those
conversations
and
bring
awareness,
because
a
lot
of
times,
noise,
complaints,
people
just
don't
realize
you
get
off
work
you're
in
the
service
industry?
J
You
know
you
turn
your
music
up,
it's
11
30
at
night.
You
may
just
not
always
think
that
there's
a
family
with
school
age,
children
below
you
were
above
you
and
you
know
so
a
lot
of
times.
It's
just
an
awareness
that
needs
to
exist.
So
I
guess
the
answer
is
the
first
is
to
evaluate
data,
be
data
driven
where
we
see
chronic
or
systemic
noise
issues.
Try
to
address
that
proactively,
not
through
a
punitive
approach
but
from
a
reaching
out
educating.
J
You
know
trying
to
look
for
ways
to
have
that
problem
addressed
now.
If
the,
if
the
problem
isn't
addressed,
if
it
continues
the
one
the
one
tool
we
have
is
you
know?
Obviously
we
could.
We
could
cite
an
individual,
but
we
also
have
the
ability
to
cite
the
the
property
owner
as
well.
So
accountability
can
exist
in
different
areas
under
this
new
ordinance,
and
that's
that's
the
thought
problem.
I
don't
know
if
that
will
work,
because
we
haven't
tried
it
before,
but
that's
I
think,
that's
why
our
equity
analysis
led
us
to.
D
This
is
kimmy
yeah,
sorry,
so,
director
woody,
I
appreciate
what
you
just
said.
I
everything
in
me
is
like
getting
very
anxious,
because
all
the
data
actually
oftentimes
is
privilege
driven-
and
I
personally
lived
in
apartments
for
many
years,
and
I
find
that
people
who
are
culturally
insensitive
to
other
people's
cultural
celebrations
to
you
know
the
fact
that
maybe
a
specific
culture
when
they
have
friends
or
family
come
in
they're
very
loud
and
boisterous
becomes
a
noise
complaint
rather
than
understanding
the
cultural
references.
It
also
infringes
upon.
D
You
know,
tenant
rights
when
there's
another.
You
know
it's
just
so
many
things
like
getting
the
owner
involved.
There's
I
don't
know
I'm
just
having
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
anxiety,
rise
up
over
the
equity
piece
and
also
over
especially
with
cultural
sensitivities
and
over
families
or
individuals
who
live
in
apartments
having
their
rights
be
diminished,
because
maybe
someone
else
is
insensitive.
D
That
is
complaining.
So
I
don't
know
I
would
rethink
all
of
what
you
just
said
with
all
due
respect.
J
Yeah,
I
think
that's
why
I
hear
you
and
I
think
you
know
right
now.
The
model
is
to
send
a
police
officer
to
address
it.
We
don't
think
that's
the
right
model.
I
guess
I
would
say
I
think
education,
I
think
everything
you
just
said
is
part
of
education
and
part
of
trying
to
build
community-based
solutions.
J
So
again,
I
think
everything
you
just
said
is
important
and
is
true,
and
I
think
that's
part
of
trying
to
make
owners
and
residents
aware
of
that
and
give
them
the
tools
to
try
to
address
that,
and
you
know
again,
we've
never
done
this
before
we
can't
find
another
city.
That's
done
this
either.
So
we
are
open
to
suggestions
to
try
to
do
this.
The
right
way.
J
J
I
This
is
dane
berger
again.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you,
mr
woody,
for
your
work
on
this.
I
think
it's
been
badly
needed
for
many
years.
The
fact
that
we
really
don't
have
a
noise
ordinance
now
and
you
guys
have
done
a
great
job
and
I
know
there's
going
to
be
issues.
You
know
when
it
comes
to
implementation,
but
we're
just
going
to
have
to
work
through
that
because
we
do
need
this
ordinance.
J
B
Is
harder
so
I
I've
I've
worked
with
with
you
from
the
busker's
collective
side,
and
I
I
can
say
that
you
know
from
the
busker's
collective
side.
You
know
we
we
talked
about
it
a
lot.
B
We
got
our
own
problems
with
some
buskers
being
too
loud,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
the
consensus
that
came
out
of
those
conversations
was
that
if
the
city
helped
us
to
lower
the
ceiling,
there
might
be
more
room
for
everyone
on
the
floor
and
that
and
because
you
know
it
if
it
takes,
you
know
a
resident
a
few
minutes
to
be
annoyed
by
a
busker.
It's
very
loud.
Well,
there's
a
bus
grid
trying
to
set
up
around
the
corner.
B
That's
annoyed
immediately
and
it's
probably
dissuaded
immediately,
and
so
there's
actually
a
lot
of
common
ground
in
that,
and
I
thought
that
I
thought
that
the
approach
for
toward
the
busking
rules
was
a
worth
a
try.
As
long
as
b,
we
could
go
back
and
work
on
it
again
if
it,
if
it
didn't
work,
if
it
had
unintended
consequences
and
that
type
of
thing
I'm
really
happy
to
see
about
the
that
the
music
venues
are
being
heard
on
this.
B
So
just
a
little
bit
of
data
here,
the
the
music
industry,
which
is
part
of
art,
design,
entertainment
sports
and
media
occupations,
is
three
percent
of
total
employment
in
buncombe,
county
construction
and
extraction
occupations
is
4.5,
so
as
an
industry
we're
pretty
big
compared
to
construction,
and
if
you
look
at,
if
you
look,
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
the
numbers
that
music
is
putting
out
as
far
as
noise
complaints,
then
we
are
doing
a
lot
better
job
than
the
construction
industry
is,
and
I,
but
I
also
think
that
there
hasn't
been
a
big
as
much
of
a
focus
on
the
meat
of
the
problem
in
construction.
B
As
there
has
been
on.
You
know
a
little
bit
of
the
trimmings
of
the
problem,
which
is
around,
which
is
around
music
noise,
and
so
I
I
mean
I
would.
I
would
say
that
if
we
want
to,
if
we
want
to
look
at
the
size
of
these
industries-
and
we
want
to
look
at
the
size
of
the
phone-
calls,
the
the
noise
complaints
that
we're
getting,
you
know
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
those
those
things
fit
and
those
those
those
gloves
actually
gloves,
actually
fit
and
work
and
reduce.
B
The
you
know
reduce
the
number
of
phone
calls
and
create
a
system
of
that
is
accountable
and
predictable
for
the
folks
that
are
making
the
majority
of
those
noises
which
are,
as
we
know,
our
construction
construction
related.
If
I'm
correct
right.
J
Never
can
find
the
mute
button
when
I
want
to
yeah.
That's
probably
that's
fair.
That's
fair!
Tara!
Fletcher!
I
think
that's
a
good
summation!
You
just
gave-
and
I
agree
with
it.
B
B
So
it
just
earlier
it
sounded
like
you,
you
were
just
about
to
tell
us
when
the
end
date
was
when
that
noise
ordinance
was
going
to
come
in,
but
thank
you
very
much,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
but
and
appreciate
your
updates.
I'm
sure
we're
gonna
hear
from
you
again
I'll,
be
paying
as
a
musician
myself
we'll
be
paying
close
attention
to
this.
But
thanks
for
your
work
and
your
responsiveness,
I
know
you
haven't
made
everybody
happy,
but
I
know
that
everyone's
been
heard
so
yeah.
B
Thank
you
all
right.
Moving
on
in
the
agenda,
we
are
now
going
to
talk
about
priorities
and
recommendations
for
our
2020
annual
annual
report,
so
dana
and
I
sent
out
a
survey
earlier
earlier
this
month
and
basically,
we
kind
of
just
asked
you
for
like:
where
did
we
you
know?
B
What's
working,
what
can
we
carry
on
from
our
past
priorities
and
is
there
anything
new
that
you
want
to
add
and
got
most
of
your
got
most
of
your
responses
and
dana,
and
I
made
an
attempt
at
trying
to
merge
them
all
and
try
to
make
sense
of
them
in
a
way
that
honored
your
input,
but
also
you
know,
we
didn't
have
to
repeat
things
or
things
like
that.
It's
not
not
an
easy
task.
B
We
gave
it
a
try
and
if
you've
reviewed
that
in
your
documents
now
we
can
discuss-
and
this
is
going
to
culminate
in
a
motion
and
a
vote
to
pass
on
to
counsel
or
not
so
first
off
dana.
Do
you
have
anything
you
want
to
introduce
about
this,
or
did
I
just
kind
of
wrap
it
up,
or
should
I
open
up
the
commission.
N
I'll
just
add
that
all
boards
and
commissions
are
being
asked
to
submit
their
annual
reports
by
march
8th.
Typically,
we
would
have
done
that
back
in
january
and
we're
missing
the
council
retreat,
but
but
these
will
go
to
council
in
time
for
the
budget
process.
So
this
is
one
time
to
formally
provide
recommendations
to
counsel
and
to
also
just
inform
counsel
of
of
your
priorities
for
the
year
and
just
to
state
again.
N
So
this
will
be
what's
worked
on
today
will
be
incorporated
into
the
2020
annual
report
I'll
work
with
the
chair
after
this
meeting
to
get
that
all
finalized.
You
all
can,
of
course,
make
recommendations
to
counsel
at
any
time,
but
it's
important
that
we
wrap
this
up
to
incorporate
into
the
report.
G
B
Yeah,
that's
right,
dana
would
you
would
you
mind
sharing
the
screen
of
that
just
to
get
up,
so
we
can
all
have
a
look
at
it
and
if
you
got
questions
or
comments,
I
see
kimmy
has
her
hand
up,
but
questions
comments,
feedback
input.
So
you
know
let's,
let's,
let's
all
steer
us
toward
a
motion.
We
can
support
kimmy.
D
Thanks,
chair
fletcher,
so
my
my
question
is
when
I
filled
up
this
survey,
I
was
concerned
that
for
myself
I
know-
and
maybe
a
few
other
commissioners
I
wasn't
in
that.
I
think
it
was
2018
2019
session.
D
So
I
appreciate
the
carry
forward,
but
we've
had
lots
of
changes
not
just
in
the
commission
seats
but
also
in
the
council
seats
and
so
to
to
put
a
priority
forward
where
I'm
not
sure
it
represents
what's
happening
currently
with
the
state
of
our
community
covid,
our
businesses,
the
state
of
black
asheville
residents,
things
like
that.
D
It
just
feels
really
out
of
touch
to
me
and
I
wasn't
there
wasn't
just
enough
room
in
the
survey
for
me
to
articulate
that
in
writing,
without
coming
off
as
being
crass
or
rough,
because
that's
not
my
intention
so
where's
our
space.
For
that
conversation,
it
just
feels
like
we're
moving
right
to,
and
I
don't
mean
that
disrespectfully,
but
I'm
like
there's
so
much.
That
needs
to
be
kind
of
considered.
B
Thank
you,
so
I
I
would
say
that,
with
these
priorities
and
recommendations,
we're
sort
of
aiming
at
a
moving
target,
that's
far
in
the
future,
and
so
I
mean
really
with.
I
think
that,
with
a
lot
of
what
we're
gonna
would
be
recommending
and
asking
on
needs
to
needs
to
sort
of
land
at
a
future
at
a
future
date
where
hopefully
we're
past
the
pandemic
and
we're
capturing
the
lessons
and
like
and
learning
and
learning
from
that
on,
I
the
it's
difficult
to
deal
with
the
shifting
ground.
B
I
think
of
the
the
the
immediate
problems
presented
our
community
from
from
the
downtown
commission.
I
mean,
I
think
there
are
certainly
some
efforts
that
we
can
make.
But
for
the
I
mean
me
personally
for
the
priorities
and
recommendations,
I'm
trying
to
take
a
very
long
lens
and,
of
course,
that
that
incorporates
what's
very
close
to
that
incorporates
what's
close
to
us,
but
in
a
way
that
I'm
anticipating,
learning
from
what's
current
and
then
implementing
it
in
the
in
the
future.
B
So
I'm
I
I
agree
with
you,
but
I
think
we
might
be.
I
think
that,
if
we're
looking
at
where
our
policies
and
recommendations
are
going
to
land
that
we
need
to
be,
we
need
to
be
careful
about
how
specific
and
how
broad
and
exactly
where
our
mandate
allows
us
to
work
and
advise.
D
B
So
we
are
definitely
trying
to
to
to
to
sail
the
ship
with
you
know,
without
the
benefit
of
a
retreat,
it's
difficult
to
do
this
remotely.
We
we
made
a
try
and
I'm
you
know
I'm
definitely
willing
to
adapt
in
response
to
the
commission.
N
I
just
appreciate
that
that
was
brought
up
the
fact
that
we
haven't
had
a
retreat.
I
mean
it's
a
really
important
point
and
we
have
had
different
circumstances.
Over
the
past
year.
We
could
work
towards
having
a
retreat.
The
city
has
been
limited
on
on
the
amount
of
and
frequency
of
meetings
of,
public
meetings
to
hold.
There's
it's
just.
It's
been
a
tough
year
and
I
wish
that
the
commission
could
have,
you
know
had
a
retreat
sooner,
but
I
think
it's
definitely
something
we
can
talk
about.
B
So
I
see
hands
raised
guillot,
dane
and
sage.
H
Thanks
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
piggyback
on
commissioner
hunter's
comments
on.
I
was
really
glad
that,
even
though
there
may
be
more
needed
to
this,
but
I
think,
for
example,
the
last
three
bullet
points
under
downtown
commission
priorities
really
do
talk
about
issues
with
pandemic,
the
things
that
we've
learned
dealing
with
the
pandemic
and
how
to,
as
as
urban
planners
update
these
these
maybe
standards
priorities,
look
at
public
spaces.
H
So
that's,
I
think,
that's
a
good
beginning,
because
that's
something
that
that
staff
can
be
looking
at
while
we
gather
more
information.
So
thank
you
staff
for
putting
that
in
those
people
who
who
who
I
and
I
I
see
sort
of
my
my
one
of
my
points
there.
So
I
think
that's
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction.
Thank.
B
You
who
do
I
have
next
dane
and
say.
I
I
believe
this
document
is
actually
from
2018,
so
it's
been
a
long
time
and
things
have
changed
so
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
we
want
to
get
that
on
the
schedule
for
october,
since
bin
won't
tell
us
when
the
pandemic
is
going
to
end,
we'll
just
have
to
hope
for
october,
but
it
seems
like
by
october
at
least
we
get
it
on
the
schedule
and-
and
it
definitely
needs
to
be
done.
However,
we
do
it
stage.
G
I
was
just
going
to
share
that
we're
not
talking
about
this
as
a
council
this
month.
So
if
y'all
need
more
time,
you
know
there's,
this
might
be
the
first
time
we've
had
really
a
downtown
focused
advocate
on
council
in
a
while.
I
would
love
for
y'all
to
feel
really
good
about
your
priorities
and
for
me
to
send
an
email
to
all
of
council
saying
these
are
their
priority.
You
know
I
would
love
for
it
to
be
really
wrapped
up
and
everybody
feel
really
good
about
it.
G
B
So
we
did
our
last
retreat
was
scheduled,
I
believe,
mid
march
2020,
or
was
it
late
march
2020
we
had,
we
did
have
a
remote
retreat
scheduled.
That
was
one
of
the
first,
the
first
things
that
were
were
canceled
last
year.
Unfortunately,
I
I
I
definitely
see
the
benefit
of
you
know
getting
all
the
heads
in
the
room
and
work
and
and
working
on
this
stuff
it
makes
it
go,
makes
it
go
quickly.
It
makes
it.
B
I
feel,
there's
a
lot
more
understanding
and
sympathy
for
each
other's
perspectives
and
viewpoints
when,
when
we're
like
that,
I
think
one
of
our
issues
is
timing.
Here
is
in
that
our
next
meeting
after
this
is
scheduled
for
april,
and
if
we
want
to
have
our
priorities,
have
chances
of
having
legs
we
should
get
them
into.
We
should
get
them
to
counsel,
while
they're
working
on
while
they're
working
on
budget
retreat
and
and
that
type
of
stuff.
B
B
I
would
really
like
to
see
us
get
something
through
today
and
even
if
it
is
a
placeholder
and
we
can,
then
you
know
if,
if,
if
commissioner
hunter,
if
your
concerns
are
mainly
that
we
didn't
get
everything,
but
that
what
we
do
have
is
usable,
then
what
I
might
suggest
is
that
we
get
through
is
that
we
get
this
through
today
and
then
try
to
have
an
additional
round.
N
D
B
N
We
need
to
submit
an
annual
report
by
march
8th.
I
can
look
into
scheduling
an
earlier
meeting.
I
want
everyone
to
know
and
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
emails,
but
the
protocol
at
this
point
is
for
boards
and
commissions
to
meet
every
other
month
unless
there's
critical
business
and
boards
and
commissions
can
meet
every
month.
If
there's
critical
business
again,
I
can
look
into
holding
a
special
meeting
between
now
and
march
8th.
N
G
Dana
do
we
know
enough
about
the
queue
that
there
might
be
a
design
review
component
to
march's
meeting
I
mean
it's
you'd
be
fi.
That
deadline
is
five
days
ahead
of
your
meeting.
Maybe
you
could
just
move
that
meeting
and
have
it
as
the
retreat
instead
and
I'm
so
trying
not
to
be
the
chair
anymore.
I'm
sorry
I'll
bounce,
you
I'm
sorry.
B
That's
a
great
sage,
that's
a
great
question,
so
I,
as
far
as
I
understand
we're,
not
slated
to
have
a
design
review
ready
until
april
and
someone
from
our
design
review
committee
can
confirm
or
deny
that
that's
reasonably
accurate.
A
N
N
F
This
is
ruth
summers
andrew.
This
is
ruth
summers.
I
feel
that's
important
for
us
to
meet,
possibly
if
dana
can
schedule
a
meeting
date
for
us
in
late,
either
late
february
or
early
march,
so
that
we
can
go
over
this
annual
report
and
update
it
with
more
pertinent
information.
I
agree
with
everyone
else
that,
and
I
do
believe
that
this
is
critical
business.
B
All
right,
so
that
is
what
I'm
hearing
from
those
whom
I'm
hearing
from
so
if
we
all
want
to
get
together-
and
we
all
want
to
get
together
and
finish
hammering
this
out,
then
we
can
table
this
and
call
another
meeting
early
march.
I'd.
M
Like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
table
this
discussion
and
ask
staff
to
schedule
a
meeting
and
preferably.
B
I
I
D
Only
discussion
for
me
is
if
it
were
late
february,
if
it
could
be
the
last
friday
that
whole
week,
I'm
hemmed
up,
but
otherwise
I'm
comfortable
with
that.
N
K
D
Be
in
the
car!
That's
why
but
I'll
make
it
work
whatever.
H
B
Just
about
to
say,
let's
not
try
to
like
schedule
right
now.
That
could
be
that
could
take
forever.
But
that's
that's
pretty
impressive!
Okay!
So
we've
got
a
motion
in
a
second
we've
had
discussion,
so
I'm
going
to
call
the
roll
on
it.
B
And
please
remind
me:
we
had
dane
you
seconded
yes
and
brian.
You
moved
yes,
okay!
Thank
you.
So,
commissioner
sharon.
G
B
All
right,
chair
fletcher,
I
commissioner
hunter.
D
E
H
G
B
All
right
passes
unanimously,
see
you
guys
and
see
you
guys
in
a
little
over
a
week,
no
the
26th
yeah.
That's
like
two
weeks.
Okay,
very
good.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
guys
on
that.
Some
more,
I
really
would
feel
like
we'd
have
if
we
had
the
chance
to
do
even
an
informal
retreat
working
on
this
stuff
that
it
is
gonna.
It
is
gonna
benefit
us,
but
you
know
that
we
do
have.
B
We
do
have
new
challenges
from
the
pandemic
and
I
think
how
quickly
we
can
capture
and
pivot
with
those
challenges
is
going
to
be
helped
by
having
a
retreat.
So
I'm
glad
that
you
all
are
willing.
B
All
right
so
next
up,
we
have
a
housing
first
resolution
and
if
I
can
just
introduce
like
kind
of
where
this
came
from,
commissioner
raines
in
our
last
meeting
in
november
spoke
about
sort
of
what,
where
we,
the
state
of
homelessness
in
downtown
and
where
we
were
at
with
that
and
what
are
what
are
the
or
what
policies
and
programs
could
be
ramped
up
during
the
pandemic
to
to
help
out
with
the
special
needs
of
the
pandemic
and
that
sort
of
turned
into
commissioner
raines
and
brian
huskey
from
the
city
working
together
on
a
resolution
that
I'm
in
full
support
of
which
is
a
housing
first
priority.
B
To
me.
This
is
all
about
solutions
rather
than
band-aids
it's
about
long-term
care
rather
and
breaking
cycles
of
houselessness
and
it
in.
In
my
opinion,
it's
also
makes
good
sense
fiscally
because
you
don't
have
to
spend
the
same
money
on
the
same
service
over
and
over
and
over
again
for
for
people
that
are
stuck
in
cycles
of
poverty.
B
K
Hi
everybody:
this
is
robin
andrew.
Thank
you
for
your
intro.
There's,
not
a
whole
lot
to
add
other
than
asheville,
obviously
has
a
problem
with
homelessness
and
in
discussion
with
brian
huskey.
One
of
the
major
problems
we
have
in
asheville
is
many
of
the
shelters
that
are
available
to
the
homeless.
K
Have
barriers
to
entry
and
the
the
main
tenet
of
housing
first
is
that
there
is
a
low
barrier
entry,
because
the
feeling
is
that
when
someone
is
housed,
they
they
need
to
be
housed
first,
in
order
to
move
on
and
get
they're
better
better
able
to
move
forward
when
they're
housed
first,
and
that
is
the
recommendation
that
brian
feels
works
and
that's
a
recommendation
that
I
I
feel
works.
K
K
H
K
No,
I
I
worked
with
brian,
and
this
is
the
only
commission
that
I'm
on
so.
D
Thank
you
for
your
compassion
and
commitment.
I'm
fully
excited
about
this
resolution.
I
think
I
also
come
with
a
heavy
heart,
because
so
many
community
members
I
talk
to
who
have
ancestors
who've
had
property
taken
by
imminent
domain.
Those
properties
are
now
being
considered
at.
You
know
one
dollar
rate
to
build
for
homeless,
and
so
there's
a
confliction
that
I
have
that's
not
about
taking
care
of
homelessness.
D
I
am
not
conflicted
about
that
for
sure,
but
there's
this
is
ache,
and
this
really
rich
pain
with
taking
resources
that
you
know
a
black
family
may
have
only
received
twelve
thousand
dollars
to
be
removed
out
of
their
house
and
their
family
and
ancestors
have
never
had
home
ownership
again.
So
I
I
don't
know
how
to
resolve
this.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts?
Has
your
team
thought
about
this
strange
juxtaposition
of
taking
care
of
homelessness
through
this
lens,
but
at
the
expense
of
of
you
know,
black
families,
who've
lost
property?
D
I
don't
even
know
if
the
correlation
has
come
together
for
anybody,
but
it
has
for
me,
I've
had
lots
of
people
talk
to
me
about
it,
so
I
do
feel
like
I
represent
a
strong
population
of
the
community
and
I
just
want
to
just
I
don't
know
get
some
clarity.
It's
I
don't
have
answers.
I
don't
know
if
you
do
either,
but
I
thought
I'd
bring.
K
It
up-
I
I
don't
I
don't.
This
is
not
something
brian
and
I
discussed
we.
We
were
more
as
just
discussing
that
the
city
funding,
instead
of
the
funding
going
towards
barrier,
shelters,
that
it
would
start
to
go
towards
low
barrier
shelters,
to
help
people
with
addiction
issues,
mental
instability,
other
disabilities
be
able
to
be
housed
without
having
to
meet
certain
requirements
and
in
asheville
brian,
did
make
the
statement
that
some
minority
populations
are
more
affected
by
homelessness.
K
So,
in
my
mind
I
was
thinking
that
this
might
help
the
black
community,
especially
the
homeless,
black
community.
I
don't,
I
don't
know
anything
about
the
eminent
domain
purchases
and
money
got
going,
so
I
don't
know
how
to
answer
that
question.
Sorry.
B
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
there's
oftentimes,
you
can
have
two
good
policies
that
are
in
seeming
conflict,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
should
that
either
those
policies
should
not
be
implemented.
It
just
means
that
someone
has
to
have
the
wisdom
someplace
to
sort
out
those
conflicts
and
there's
an
opportunity.
I'm
sure
there'll
be
opportunities
to
to
advise
on
on
those
particular
issues,
but
I
think
that
you
know
two
things
can
be
can
be
true
at
the
same
time,
but
on
the
same
piece
of
land.
B
Obviously
you
have
to
make
you
have
to
make
a
you
know.
Someone
has
to
make
a
choice
based
on
values
and
what
their
goals
are.
So
I'm
very
I'm
very
comfortable.
You
pushing
forward
this
resolution
and
asking
council
to
have
a
real
lens
about.
M
The
resolution
the
resolution
just
says
that
housing
first
is
the
most
effective
strategy
to
end
homelessness,
recommends
that
the
city's
leadership
prioritize,
available
funding
or
other
resources.
It
doesn't
specify
anything
else
other
than
just
that
the
goal
is
housing
first,
instead
of
just
continually
applying
band-aids.
D
I
hear
that
I
do
want
to
acknowledge,
though,
that
some
of
what
is
going
on
in
specifically
the
african-american
community
and
those
who
are
white,
who
are
allies
to
african
americans,
are
grieving
and
outrage
right
now,
even
though
it
doesn't
save
us
in
the
resolution
that
what
was
taken
from
urban
renewal
from
black
families
who
had
ownership
is
not
been
given
back
and
now
the
the
resources
of
those
are
given
to
homeless,
and
so
there's
this
strong
like
just
like.
Why
isn't
this
resolved
and
this
results
also?
D
G
Just
a
couple
things
a
little
background:
this
is
a
great
discussion,
so,
as
you
know,
I
was
also
really
involved
in
affordable
housing,
so
the
city
already
has
a
priority
for
the
housing
first
model.
We
do
prioritize
that
among
many
things
and
brian
husky
and
his
work
is
incredible,
and
I
I
have
no
problem
with
this
resolution.
I
think
you
know
I'm
happy
to
share
it
with
council
and
they
will
not
and
say
yes,
aren't
we
glad
we
do
that.
G
As
for
the
funding
as
a
priority,
I
didn't
I
didn't
see
it
as
a
risk
against
other
funding.
I
absolutely
hear
you
miss
hunter
about
your
point.
I
wanted
to
share
some
good
information
that
y'all
might
not
be
aware
of
that.
We-
and
this
came
up
in
the
last
council
meeting,
there's
some
great
presentations.
G
G
Now
those
things
will
not
continue
to
happen
in
the
pandemic
and
there
are
additional
monies
that
have
been
coming
into
the
county
and
the
city
from
the
cares
act
and
big
layers
that
we
are
that
the
city
has
allocated
to
groups
and
organizations
that
exist
in
our
community
that
are
working
on
these
issues
and
have
funded
them
in
big
ways,
whether
it's
rental
assistance
prevention,
outreach
on
the
street
needs,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
going
on
that
we
are
working
on.
G
So
I
see
this
as
a
resolution
in
support
coming
from
its
downtown
contingency.
This
commission,
I
don't
see
it
as
a
conflict,
necessarily
with
other
things.
I
will
say
you
know
if
I
step
back
and
look,
I'm
getting
lots
of
emails
and
recommendations
right
now,
as
we
preempt
the
budget
cycle
and
lots
of
organizations
and
crews
like
y'all
are
saying
you
know,
these
are
things
we
care
about.
This
is
what
we're
putting
forward.
So
I
think
this
is
one
that's
going
to
come
to
us
in
the
stack
and
I
don't.
G
I
think
it's
fine
to
move
forward
as
it
is,
and
if
there
are
other
priorities
we
want
to
talk
about,
the
commission
send
those
too.
I
appreciate
what
y'all
have
done
robin.
I
think
it's.
It
needs
to
be
said
and
right
now
there's
a
lot
of
focus
on
this
issue,
and
you
know
I
don't
see,
I
don't
see
any
harm
in
it
moving
forward
personally,
but
I
wanted
to
share
that.
We
are
doing
a
lot
and
this
is
a
model.
The
city
does
currently
recognize
and
utilize.
B
Commissioner
hunter,
if
I
think,
if
there
is
a
a
corresponding
and
compatible
resolution
that
you'd
like
to
bring
forward
that
that
says
to
this
resolution,
yes,
and
then
that
is,
that
is
definitely
something.
I
think
that
we
can.
We
can
entertain,
and
I
welcome
you
to
work
with
work
with
the
chair
and
staff
on
that.
D
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
great.
I
think
the
piece
that
it's
missing
is
something
like
not
being
mindful
and
intentional
about
not
providing
homes
for
homeless
that
have
been
taken.
Land
has
been
taken
from
black
families.
B
D
H
This
is
george
I
just
wanted
to.
If
we're
gonna
do
this,
I
would
hate
to
resubmit
this
over
and
over
again
and
keep
tweaking
and
submitting
it
back
and
voting
on
it.
I
would
prefer
that
we
have
a
a
document
that
as
much
as
possible
satisfies
all
of
our
members,
so
that
we
can
then
forward
it.
It
just
takes
a
lot
of
staff
time
and
it
just
I
would
rather
just
do
it
once.
K
I
agree
and
I
am
willing
to
tweak
the
language.
The
language
right
now
is
basically
just
about
policy
and
the
city
choosing
housing
first
over
other
policies,
so
it
doesn't
mention
anything
about
actual.
You
know,
construction
or
land
purchasing
or
anything
like
that.
So
I'm
willing
to
tweak
that
and
add
that
I
just
don't
know
exactly
how
to
add
that
to
a
discussion
about
policy,
so
I'm
open
to
suggestions
or.
I
It's
dane
berger.
I
think
that
the
land
use
policy
is
going
to
be
up
to
council.
I
mean
we
don't
know
what
properties
are
available
or
even
how
this
is
going
to
be
implemented.
Like
bobbin
said,
this
is
just
a
policy
statement,
and
you
know
we
just
need
to
support
it.
It's
absolutely
mandatory
that
we
support
it
with
all
the
homelessness
that
we're
seeing.
I
You
know
people
getting
kicked
out
of
their
apartments
and
stuff.
It's
just.
We
have
to
do
something
about
this
and
it's
a
very
small
thing
for
us
to
do
just
to
say
this
is
a
policy
that
we
support.
L
I
agree
with
with
dane
it's
a
it's
a
huge
additional
policy
item
that
we're
talking
about.
I
I
personally
think
that
the
draft
is
real
written
and
it's
general
enough
to
include
a
variety
of
discussion.
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
the
draft
is
presented
be
approved.
K
And
whereas
people
of
color
are
disproportionately
represented
among
the
number
of
people
who
experience
homelessness
in
asheville,
presenting
a
clear
racial
equity
issue
and
whereas
people
who
experience
homelessness
present
a
complex
constellation
of
challenges
for
businesses,
residents
and
visitors
in
downtown
asheville.
That
require
a
comprehensive
community
response,
whereas
housing
first
has
been
demonstrated
as
an
evidence-based
best
practice.
That
is
key
component
of
ending
homelessness.
K
K
501
asheville
buncombe
continuum
of
care,
lead
agency,
charged
with
implementation
of
effective
strategies
to
end
homelessness
in
our
community
and
now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
asheville
downtown
commission
that
the
asheville,
the
asheville
downtown
commission
endorses
housing
first
as
the
most
effective
strategy
to
end
homelessness
in
asheville
and
buncombe
county,
and
recommends
that
the
city's
elected
and
appointed
leadership
consistently
prioritize
any
available
funding
or
other
resources
to
expand.
Support
of
permanent
supportive
housing
initiatives
targeted
to
serve
people
experiencing
homelessness.
B
Sorry,
all
right,
I'm
sorry
without
further
discussion.
I
am
going
to
call
the
role
so
commissioner,
sharon.
B
All
right,
chair,
fletcher,
myself
votes.
I
commissioner
hunter.
B
Commissioner
hunter
as
a
point
of
procedure,
commission
members
are
not
allowed
to
abstain
unless
there
is
a
conflict
of
interest
at
which
that
we
would
then
have
to
vote
to
allow
that
person
to
recuse
themselves.
So.
G
B
A
vote
of
recusal
a
vote
of
abstention
is
going
to.
How
does
that.
D
Person
who
feels
the
deeply
feels
the
empathy
of
the
70,
some
odd
community
members
who
have
said
this,
hurts
them
because
their
land
was
taken
and
it
continues
to
be
taken
for
reasons
and
they
don't
have
homes.
So
this
is
an
incomplete,
it's
just
written
incomplete
and
I
can't
I
can't
deny
that
homelessness
is
an
issue
and
we
need
to
solve
it.
I'm
very
compassionate
about
that
and
I
can't
deny
living
in
a
black
body
accounting
for
damage.
That's
been
done
for
black
people,
so
I
can
abstain.
B
All
right
noted,
commissioner,
reigns.
K
H
D
F
B
All
right
well
so
the
motion
the
motion
does
pass,
however,
to
people
with
concerns.
I'd
say
there
is
a
lot
of
room
in
here
for
yes
and
and
so
I
would
both
anticipate
and
expect
a
follow-up
to
allay
those
concerns
and
make
sure
that
there
is
a
finer
point
on
this
recommendation.
D
I
do
provided
we,
we
actually
do
it,
which
we
often
do
stay
on
schedule.
Then.
Yes,
that's
a
great
recommendation.
Council,
woman,
rogers
or
commissioner
rogers.
B
Okay
yeah
this
is,
I
mean,
I
don't
think
this
is
a
disagreement
here
on
outcomes.
I
think
this
is
a
disagreement
on
exactly
what
process.
M
B
Get
used
to
get
to
those
outcomes,
and
so
I'm
I'm
sensitive
to
that.
Obviously
I
came
on
one
side
of
it
rather
than
another
that,
but
I
you
know,
let's
move
all
forward
together
and
filling
in
what's
missing
here
and
making
sure
that
we
don't
have
that
both
hands
are
working
together
on
our
outcomes.
D
And
I
will
say
this
openly:
I'm
willing
to
collaborate
and
cooperate.
I
think
this
is
a
great
resolution
and
I
just
want
to
see
it
more
so
that
it
doesn't
hurt
people,
incomplete
resolutions
still
and
policies
damage
black
people
and
they
have.
Historically,
I
stand
in
the
gap
to
make
a
difference.
B
Thank
you
to
everyone,
especially
commissioner
raines,
for
taking
your
time
and
and
working
and
working
on
this.
I
you
know.
B
Obviously,
this
guy
started
talking
in
november
and
just
in
the
past
couple
weeks
we
had
what
happened
under
lexington
and
you
know
I
continue
to
hear
public
input
and
things
like
that,
and
it
seems
that
most
of
a
lot
of
the
solutions
that
are
that
are
suggested
by
the
community
really
involve
seeing
less
homeless
people
not
actually
putting
people
in
homes,
and
it
really
vexes
me
when
people
ask
their
city
government,
to
you,
know,
hide
people
who
are
suffering
rather
than
help
them,
and
I
I
I
want
to
I
want
to
make
a
you
know.
B
I
want
to
make
a
firm
commitment
that
hiding
suffering
does
not
alleviate
suffering
and
that
we
and
that
a
housing
first
policy
you.
J
B
Can't
well
implemented
with
you
know
in
working
hand-in-hand
with
other
other
concerns
of
of
especially
on
the
african-american
population.
Then
you
know
we
can
have
much
better
results
than
just
sending
a
uniform
city
employee
with
a
badge
and
a
gun
to
move
people
along
because
that's
what
we've
done
for
decades,
it
doesn't
work,
it
hurts,
doesn't
help
it's
the
same
problem
over
and
over
and
over
again,
we've
got
to
break
the
cycle.
B
Housing
first
does
that,
in
my
opinion,
happy
to
I'm
happy
to
recommend
that
I
don't
want
the
public
to
see
the
downtown
commission
doing
nothing
in
regard
to
homelessness.
I
don't
think
that's
helpful
either,
because
we
hear
we've
heard
a
lot
of
that
since
I've
been
here.
So
I
what
I
so
I
I
wanted
to
say:
okay,
we
you
know
we
hear
you
that
you
you're
having
these
issues,
but
I'm
not
gonna
double
down
on
the
public's
of
a
public
suggestion
to
hide
suffering.
B
Okay,
that's
that
so
now
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
officer
elections,
and
this
will
be
steven
lee
johnson.
That
is
going
to
be
heading
this
up.
If
I
am
correct
and
he's
going
to
explain
the
process.
L
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
fletcher.
So
today
we're
going
to
be
voting
on
a
new
downtown
commission,
chair
and
vice
chair.
As
we
all
know,
andrew
fletcher
graciously
stepped
in
and
has
served
as
interim
chair
since
we
lost
miss
turner.
L
L
We
are,
I
think,
all
here
aware
of
what
these
four
candidates
have
to
offer
for
those
that
may
be
watching
on
youtube
or
watching
this
later
down
the
date
we're.
Actually,
the
city
of
asheville
is
extremely
fortunate
that
we
have
four
candidates
that
are
all
have
demonstrated,
be
very
passionate,
inactive
with
their
time
with
downtown
asheville
and
city
of
asheville
volunteer
efforts
from
time
spent
endless
hours
on
haywood
task
force
to
cheering
the
hrc
to
being
involved
with
the
civic
center
and
the
business
improvement
district.
L
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
start
off
by
giving
each
of
the
candidates
a
moment
to
just
basically
mention
any
thoughts
they
have
on
on
what
they
have
to
offer
and
and
why
they're,
why
they're
serving
as
a
candidate,
the
two
candidates
for
chairman
are
andrew,
fletcher
and
brian
moffitt
and
so
andrew.
If
we
could
start
with
you
just
a
moment,
please.
B
Cool,
thank
you.
Steven
yeah,
you
have
you've
you've
all
seen
me
work.
I
actually
first
came
to
the
commission
over
five
years
ago,
presenting
and
making
a
case
for
the
actual
buster's
collective.
I
saw
there
the
usefulness
of
the
downtown
commission-
and
I
also
immediately
saw
a
place
for
me
on
it
and
after
a
couple
years,
so
did
city
council,
I'm
very
happy
to
I'm
very
happy
to
serve
here
in
whatever
capacity,
but
my
history
of
leadership,
especially
with
the
haywood
task
force.
B
My
own
opinion
of
being
in
the
be
in
the
minority,
and
if
you
did
choose
me
at
chair,
I
probably
would
be
in
the
minority
more
than
chairs
likely
are,
but
that
still,
but
I
still
commit
to
you-
know
keeping
a
steady
hand
on
the
ship,
continuing
many
of
sage's
great
systems
and
work
as
chair
and
committing
to
amplifying
the
voices
of
each
and
every
one
of
you
to
the
best
of
my
ability.
So
I'd
appreciate
your
vote.
Thank
you.
M
No
you've
done
a
fine
job
today.
I
I
have
also
had
to
navigate
and
and
have
a
steady
hand
on
the
wheel
for
difficult
decisions
with
big
emotions
in
the
room.
As
the
chair
of
the
historic
resources
commission.
This
is
a
quite
a
different
kind
of
set
of
issues
that
the
downtown
commission
deals
with,
but
the
kind
of
personalities
and
the
kind
of
decisions
that
we
make
are
somewhat
similar.
M
I
would
also
like
to
say
that
I
will
only
be
one
vote
if,
if
elected
as
chair,
and
that
I
believe
the
chair's
job
is
to
basically
make
sure
that
everyone's
voice
is
heard,
that
everyone
gets
equal
time
and
that
that
we
apply
equal
weights
and
measures
to
the
processes
that
and
the
issues
that
come
before
the
commission
and
that
either
way
the
vote
goes.
M
I
very
much
enjoy
working
with
you
as
a
group,
and
I
mean
I'm
enjoying
this
process
and
if
you,
if
you
see
fit,
I
will
serve
you
to
the
best
of
my
ability.
L
Thank
you,
commission,
commissioner
moffat.
Are
there
any
statements
anybody
here
today
would
like
to
make
about
either
candidate.
L
Okay,
if
not,
I
think
we'll
kind
of
divide
this
divide,
this
up,
we'll
go
ahead
and
have
a
vote
on
our
new
chairperson
sage.
I
would
like,
if
possible,
if,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
going
first
with
your
vote
and
if
you
have
anything
you'd
like
to
share.
G
I
don't
have
anything
really
to
share.
I
think
both
of
y'all
come
from
strong
backgrounds
and
leadership.
I
was
personally
very
thrilled
that
brian
had
joined
us
as
a
commissioner,
and
I
think,
with
what's
coming
up
with
the
possible
design
review
changes.
G
Brian
is
part
of
a
design
review
committee
and
I
think
that's
a
strength
that
we'll
need
to
carry
through
this
to
this
board
and
have
some
alignment.
My
choices
for
brian
moffat
today.
L
Okay,
thank
you,
councilwoman
turner
and
I'm
going
to
keep
dana.
If
you
don't
mind
helping
me
check
my
numbers,
I'm
going
to
keep
call
roll
call
here
and
I'm
going
to
do
a
roll
call
now
with
the
remainder
of
the
commissioners
in
alphabetical
order.
If
you
will
state
the
last
name
of
the
candidate
for
chair
of
the
commission,
as
I
call
your
name
please,
commissioner
behringer
lawson,
commissioner
chairman.
L
Commissioner
fletcher,
let's
see,
I
guess
you
can
vote
for
yourself.
Obviously.
L
Commissioner,
johnson,
that's
myself
moffitt,
commissioner
raines.
L
A
A
F
L
Okay,
so
we
have
six
votes
for
moffitt
four
for
fletcher,
so
it
appears
that
brian
moffatt
will
be
the
new
chairperson
for
the
downtown
commission.
L
So
we'll
move
on
to
the
five-year
election,
we
have
two
candidates,
kimberly
hunter
and
ruth
summers.
Kimberly.
Could
you
give
us
a
statement?
Please.
D
I
wasn't
prepared,
but
I
just
want
to
say
I
came
to
this
commission
after
I
suffered
from
h1n1
a
mutated
version
of
it
died
and
then
came
back
to
life,
and
so
many
of
the
meetings
that
we
we
were
at
in
person.
D
I
had
severe
organ
issues
and
pain,
but
I
came
because
I
was
committed
and
I
still
come
because
I'm
committed
beyond
just
the
call
of
the
downtown,
but
the
call
of
what
it
means
to
provide
beautifully
designed
infrastructure
that
is,
puts
human
design
first,
and
so
I'm
not
your
typically
qualified
person.
There's
many
more
people
here,
especially
ms
summers,
who
I
adore
and
admire
so
much,
who
has
probably
a
lot
more
qualifications
than
I
do.
D
But
no
one
beats
me
in
heart
and
the
willingness
to
show
up
no
matter
what's
going
on
in
the
world
and
let
other
perspectives
be
known.
So
if
you
would
offer
me
your
vote
today,
I
will
continue
to
bring
the
same
tenacity
and
inclusiveness
of
your
thoughts
and
opinions
and
rejection
of
some
of
them.
Let's
be
real
to
the
process.
Thanks.
L
H
F
L
Thank
you,
commissioner
rodriguez.
You
have
a
comment.
H
I'm
sorry
quick
question
for
our
candidate
summers.
I
worked
with
you
on
the
on
the
downtown,
the
the
hayward
page
project.
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
me,
I
was.
H
L
B
C
A
G
Just
a
quick:
this
is
hard
y'all.
I
adore
you
both
you'd,
both
be
great,
I
think,
with
the
balance
is
brian.
As
chair,
I
need
a
kimmy
hunter
as
vice
chair,
and
I
say
that
no,
I
don't
mean
anything
negative
about
that.
I
think
it's
a
great
combination,
ruth
you
have
been
a
tremendous
asset
to
this
commission
and
I
think
either
one
of
you
could
fulfill
this
role
and
I'm
confident
that
both
of
you
will
continue
to
speak
up
hunter.
It's
my
official
and
I
lost
count.
L
Okay,
councilman
turner,
that
I
think
everybody
shares
those
sentiments.
It's
very
well
said
this
is
all
about
balance
folks,
and
I
think
that
it's
that's
that's
a
great
statement.
I
appreciate
you
ending
up
the
voting
with
that
that
statement.
According
to
my
counting
here,
that
was
six
votes
for
summers,
four
votes
for
hunter.
B
All
right,
thank
you
and
congratulations
incoming
chair
moffitt.
I
just
got
a
text
from
dana
that
I
guess
the
stack
recommendation
is
that
the
chair
that
starts
the
meeting
ends
the
meeting,
so
you'll
all
will
turn
over
the
range.
B
After
this
I
do
have
a
question:
are
we?
Are
we
missing
a
are?
We
are
we
missing
a
commission
member
because
I
notice
the
votes
were
tallied
10
rather
than
11..
It
was.
B
So,
okay,
that
was
just
a
just
a
accounting
question.
It's
all
good,
all
right!
So
moving
along,
we
have
a
subcommittee
reorganization
and
we're
going
to
ask
dana
to
handle
this.
N
Okay,
I
forwarded
on
an
email
and
now
I'm
forgetting,
if
I
forwarded
it
on
to
all
of
you,
but
we're
constantly
trying
to
improve
our
the
way
that
we're
running
our
remote
meetings
and
we
get
updated
guidance
from
the
city
clerk's
office
when
they
have
it
and
they
are
recommending.
N
If,
if
you
all
need
more
information,
first,
also
the
local
living
economy
working
group,
it
is
already
called
a
working
group,
and
the
group
has
been
informally
meeting
so,
but
just
want
to
be
able.
You
know
to
give
you
all
the
opportunity
to
to
formally
kind
of
acknowledge
that
or
handle.
However,
you
see
is
most
appropriate.
N
N
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
you
all
could
make
a
motion
to
transition
the
parking
and
transportation
committee
to
be
an
informal
working
group.
I
think
that'll
give
the
ability
for
that
group
to
to
be
meeting
and
and
working
on
some
specific
issues
and
be
able
to
bring
items
to
the
full
downtown
commission.
Similarly
with
local
living
economy.
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
if
the,
if
you
all,
could
vote
and
recognize
those
as
working
groups.
I
think
that
would
be
in
line
with
what's
being
recommended,
so
I
moved.
B
Oh
all
right,
oh
I
see
I
got
a
couple
questions
I
got.
I
see
ruth
and
sage
ruth
you
want
to
go
first.
A
F
Okay,
so
andrew,
I
just
wanted
to
say
if
the
parking
and
transportation
subcommittee
is
going
to
start
meeting
as
a
working
group,
I
believe
we're
going
to
need
some
additional
people
to
join.
Us
sage
has
been
chair
of
this
fabulous
committee
for
a
long
time.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
elect
a
new
chair
in
the
meeting
or
we
wait,
but
we
are
going
to
need
some
additional
people
to
participate
in
this
committee.
B
So
as
as
a
working
group,
you
can
select
from
both
the
commission
and
from
the
community
to
sort
of
create
a
dream
team.
So
ruth,
do
you
think
that
that
should
are
you
looking
for
other
commission
members
to
join?
Are
you
looking
for
other
community
members
to
join.
F
B
All
right
and
sage,
I
see
your
hands
up.
G
Just
some
procedural
questions,
dana
do
you
know,
is
the
intention
to
go
back
to
committees
or
the
committee
structure
the
this
before
this
commission
would
vote
on
the
roles
of
said
committee.
If
you
remember
we'd
say
well,
we
need
to.
We
need
somebody
in
the
cvb.
Can
you
guys
approve
that
we're
going
to
add
someone,
and
then
the
committee
itself
would
pick
its
members.
N
I'm
not
aware
of
a
formal
process
to
elect
roles
or
a
required
formal
process
to
elect
roles
as
a
commissioned
body
for
working
groups,
and
I
can
double
check
with
our
city
clerk's
office
on
that.
But
I
think
I
think
those
groups
are
set
up
to
be
a
little
bit
more
flexible
and
less
formal.
But
again
my
understanding
is
that
you
all
could
could
change
that
back
to
a
more
formal
body
at
some
point
in
the
future.
If
that
feels
appropriate.
M
Commissioners,
just
fine
or
just
brian,
so
the
the
the
udo
goes
through
the
appointment
of
committees
and
that's,
I
think,
where
sage
is
talking
about
that.
You
know
it's
fixed
by
the
commission
at
the
time
of
appointment.
But
a
working
group
is
just
something
we
decide
to
do
and
we
can
act
on
it
as
a
commission
or
not.
So
it's
that
flexibility
and
it's
basically
in
the
meeting
laws
during
the
pandemic.
B
B
The
disadvantage
is
that
there's
a
public
input
deficit
that
goes
away
when
it's
not
an
official
committee,
so
so
one
one
of
the
things
I'd
plan
to
do
with
a
chair
ship,
which
I
would
encourage
the
incoming
chair
to
do-
is
to
basically
put
all
basically
to
put
all
the
committees
on
the
table,
and
you
know
see
that
they
are
see
that
they
are
staffed
and
have
membership,
that's
appropriate
and
they
have
mandates
that
are
appropriate
and
if
any
changes
from
the
pandemic
are
are
important
to
be
made.
B
And
if
there's
a
if
this
is
a.
This
may
be
a
pivot
point
to
retool
the
work
of
those
committees
in
light
of
new
challenges,
so
that
that
is
was
something
I
was
planning
on
doing,
and
I
would
I
would
encourage,
as
a
commission
member,
that
that
that
we,
that
we
take
a
look
at
that
the
deficit
of
public
input,
I
would
say,
can
be
mitigated
by
making
sure
that
any
decisions
and
recommendations
do
come
before
the
public.
B
The
public
meetings
at
the
full
commission
just
to
make
sure
that
you
get
the
benefit
of
the
work,
but
you
also
have
the
benefit
of
public
view.
So
that's
all
I'm
gonna
say
and
I'm
prepared
to
vote
for
this
now,
because
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
If
there's
no
more
discussion.
B
All
right,
I
will
call
the
role
commissioner
barrager.
C
L
G
B
D
B
Commissioner,
summers,
aye
and
councilwoman
turner-
oh
all
right,
so
that
passes
so
we're
on
to
updates
and
reports,
and
so
we're
going
to
ask
stephen
johnson
to
give
a
report
from
the
design
review
committee.
L
Thank
you.
This
is
stephen
lee
I'll
make
this
brief.
The
project
that
came
before
the
design
review
committee
for
the
third
time,
this
last
meeting,
which
was
on
february
5th,
was
the
four
points
hotel
project.
L
If
you
haven't
seen
the
video
golf
when
this
comes
before
the
full
commission,
I
believe,
sometime
between
either
april
and
june,
it's
going
to
be
a
good
idea
for
you
all
to
look
at
this,
because
this
thing's
a
beast,
it's
huge
and
that's
why
we've
seen
it
three
times,
but
folks,
we're
really
fortunate
that
we've
designed
review
committee
we've
got
architects
that
are
not
only
local
but
robin
and
brian
their
companies
deal
with
mid-rise
buildings
like
this,
and
they
have
really
buildings
that
are
in
downtown
asheville
and
they
have
a
really
good,
thorough
understanding
of
what
these
buildings
need
to
try
to
accomplish
and
their
input
to
the
local
firm
that
is
driving.
L
This
project
has
been
really
really
valuable.
The
design
team
has
been
extremely
open
to
comments
that
have
been
given
by
the
design
review
committee.
Members
and
you'll
probably
hear
a
lot
more
about
this
in
detail
when
they
continue
later
this
spring.
L
It's
it's
mostly
mostly
a
residential
building,
it's
very
large
and
it's
going
to
be
considered
it's
a
conditional
conditional
zoning
project.
It's
we
did
get
some
public
comment.
Just
so
y'all
are
aware,
and
those
are
available
online,
I'm
sure
to
read
the
the
comments
were
about
traffic
on
woodfin
and
basically
views
and
can
concerns
from
the
adjacent
residents
of
there
near
market
street.
South
market
street
north
market
street.
B
H
L
H
B
Yeah
I've
watched
these
meetings
too,
and
it's
it's
really
exciting
to
see
a
a
residential
project
of
this
size
in
downtown,
and
it
looks
like
leveraging
the
existing
hotel
property
to
make
this
happen
is
kind
of
my
kind
of
you
know
my
view
about
why
this
is
possible
and
so
without
adding
hotel
rooms.
So
I
it's
so
I
see
this
as
as
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
wins
and
I
think
that
tapping
the
brakes
on
tourism
has
allowed
this
type
of
thing
to
happen.
B
I
bet
that
if
we
weren't
having
this
conversation
as
a
community
about
tapping
the
brakes
on
tourism,
the
money
that
makes
that
development
go
up
would
probably
be
filled
with
hotel
rooms
rather
than
residences,
and
so
I
I
see
that
that
here's
a
there's
a
win
for
some
of
the
larger
political
strategy.
B
That's
going
on
about
what
we
do
with
our
land
and
land
use
policy,
and
that
this
is
a
excellent
example
of
it,
especially
the
ground
floor
activation
and
the
residences,
and
I
think,
there's
a
net
loss
of
impermeable
surface
on
the
property.
Is
that
true?
Because
because
so
much
of
it's
going
to
because
they're
doing
some
is
there's
some
green
roofs
and
there's
and
they're
doing
some
parking
decks.
B
B
Right,
at
least
for
I'd,
say
for
the
number
of
units
that
we're
getting
the
the
it's.
If
we're,
you
know
it's
a
it's
close
to
a
wash
on
permeable
surfaces,
that's
good
for
stormwater,
comparatively
to
other
a
lot
of
other
types
of
development.
So
I
see
a
lot
of
pluses
with
this.
I've
watched
those
designs
and
y'all
are
doing
a
great
job.
I
love
how
nerdy
you
guys
get
and
go
deep
right
on
stuff
and
think
of
questions
that
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
have
come
up
with.
B
L
Just
one
really
quick
thought
drew
about
what
you
were
saying
to
stormwater,
but
basically
the
entire
site
now
is
impervious
and
they're
having
to
bring
their
entire
stormwater
management
system
into
compliance
in
addition
to
having
a
green
roof
import
a
portion
of
it.
So
it's
going
to
definitely
be
a
plus
benefit
for
storm
water.
I
I
G
I
had
one
comment:
is
it
just
as
a
heads
up
to
y'all
as
y'all
develop
your
next
year
of
goals
and
stuff?
One
of
the
things
I
flagged
in
the
moratorium
process
that
didn't
quite
make
it
through
was
an
update
to
the
view
corridors
there's
a
chapter
or
a
section
in
the
udo
that
talks
about
these.
These
view
corridors
there's
a
little
map
like
and
it
shows
kind
of
the
crisscross
of
the
great
views
in
town
and
there's
some
language
around
where
not
to
build
under
them
or
certain
heights.
G
I
think
those
need
to
be
updated.
You
know
if
you've
driven
into
asheville-
and
you
see
the
new
hotel
right
at
the
tunnel.
We
lost
that
view.
Now
we're
talking
about
another
highway
line.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
hotels
on
the
highways,
but
we
may
want
to
really
look
at
what
views
we're
sacrificing
because
we're
not
paying
attention.
G
D
B
No,
I
didn't
no,
we
do
not
have
any
other
other
votes
in
the
in
the
queue
just
a
couple,
a
couple
more
updates
and
reports.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
megan
rogers
for
the
asheville
downtown
association.
A
Okay
thanks:
I
just
have
a
couple
things
to
update
you
on.
Just
recently,
we
announced
a
year-long
complimentary
membership
extension
to
those
members
who
need
that
who
most
of
our
businesses
are
small
businesses,
fewer
than
nine
employees
and
non-profits,
and
you
know
membership
fee,
just
isn't
in
the
cards
for
them
right
now.
We
did
a
six-month
extension
last
year
and
it
was
well
appreciated.
A
So
we
went
ahead
and
added
a
year
on
to
that,
and
hopefully,
by
the
time
that
extension
runs
out,
people
will
be
back
in
a
position,
but
it's
important
to
keep
members
engaged
and
have
that
foundation.
So
it
was
a
pretty
easy
decision
for
our
board
to
move
forward
with
that
we
do
have
a
survey
out
right
now.
I
can
drop
a
link
in
the
chat
or
send
it
out
to
you
guys
by
email.
A
A
It
will
be
virtual,
of
course,
you'll
get
an
update
from
me
on
our
2020
work,
which
is
going
to
be
different
than
it
was
for
2019
for
sure
and
as
well
as
the
mayor
will
give
an
update
on
downtown
projects
and
initiatives
from
the
city
and
then
brownie
newman,
the
same
type
of
report
on
what
the
county
is
working
on
in
and
around
downtown.
So
please
it
is
I'll,
send
the
link
around
as
well.
So
you
can
register
for
that
and
then
lastly,
you
know
we.
A
Obviously
events
is
a
big
part
of
what
we
would
normally
do.
We're
at
this
point
tentatively
planning
for
some,
maybe
some
late
summer
or
fall
events.
It's
all
just
sort
of
something
to
shoot
for
because
we
need
a
date
and
a
time
to
shoot
for,
but
we
are
hopeful
that
we
can
bring
bring
those
events
back
both
for
the
community
and
for
all
the
businesses
that
are
supported
by
those
events.
So
hopefully
we'll
learn.
B
Me
all
right,
thank
you,
megan
and
now
francie
chan.
Is
there
an
update
from
the
local
business
leaders
working
group.
C
Yeah,
just
real
quick.
We
we
launched
the
828,
go
local
challenge
for
the
month
of
february,
and
that
is
a
campaign
mostly
run
on
social
media.
Hashtag
828
go
local
challenge
and
it's
we're
encouraging
folks
to
support
at
least
eight
of
their
favorite
local
businesses
in
the
28
days
of
february.
C
We
just
wanted
to
get
the
awareness
out
there
that
our
local
businesses
really
really
could
use
our
support
more
now
so
than
ever.
So
many
of
us
are,
you
know,
experiencing
25
or
more
decreases
in
revenue
decrease
in
employees,
and
you
know
it's
just
every
little
bit
helps
so
trying
to
go
with
some
positive
efforts
out
there
and
send
some
good
vibes
to
our
local
businesses.
So
hope
you
guys
can
follow
along
and
complete
the
challenge-
and
you
know,
give
some
good
vibes
to
our
local.
H
Georges
francie,
could
you
share
that
link
or
or
something
so
we,
I
wasn't
didn't
quite
get
the
whole.
You
know
where
to
look
where
to
link
in
for
that.
C
B
B
N
All
right
good
morning,
everyone,
dana
frankel
I'll,
be
quick.
We
haven't
met
in
a
while,
so
I
wanted
to
just
go
back
and
mention
a
couple
things:
the
haywood
streetscape
project.
I
know
now
it
kind
of
feels
like
old
news,
but
we
hadn't
met
since
it
was
completed
and
it
was
completed
in
early
december.
N
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
there's
been
some
finishing
touches
work
like
cleaning
up
facades
where
there's
been
a
little
concrete,
splatter
and
fixing
some
little
cracks
that
we've
noticed
in
the
sidewalks,
but
but
mostly
that
works
complete
we're
still
waiting
for
the
trash
and
recycling
bins.
Those
have
taken
a
very
long
time
and
then
just
one
additional
component,
that's
happening
that
we
just
found
out
yesterday.
N
The
contractor
is
going
to
be
fixing
replacing
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
68
haywood
street,
so
that
is
in
that
area
wasn't
included
in
the
scope
of
work
but
because
their
trucks
have
been
driving
over
that
sidewalk
they're
going
to
be
replacing
that
and
improving
ada
access
there.
So
that's
great
news,
and
that
will
start
next
week.
N
We
continued
our
partnership
on
holiday
decorations
this
past
year
and
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
so
that
it
doesn't
go
totally
forgotten.
The
ada
works
with
us
to
display
the
star
flake
and
the
arboretum
works
with
us
on
other
aspects
of
the
display.
N
We
tried
a
different
location
this
year,
not
on
the
fountain
in
pack
square,
but
we
moved
it
over
to
the
little
grassy
space
over
by
the
biltmore
building,
and
so
it's
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
scaled
back
this
year,
but
glad
that
we
could
pull
off
the
display.
N
Avl
shares
space,
the
outdoor
expansion
initiatives
that
gives
businesses
the
opportunities
to
expand
outdoors
those
programs
and
hopefully,
you've
kept
up
with
us
to
some
extent.
We
had
set
end
dates
for
that.
Knowing
these
programs
were
temporary,
the
end
date
has
been
extended
to
align
with
the
local
state
of
emergency
declaration.
So
there's
no
end
date
that
we
know
of
at
this
time.
N
So
once
that
local
declaration
is
lifted,
businesses
will
have
30
days
to
return
to
previous
conditions,
we're
looking
at
what
aspects
we
can
continue
longer
term,
but
we
don't
know
that
at
this
point
I
wanted
to
note
council
recent
has
recently
allocated
additional
funding
to
continue
a
homeless,
shelter
and
partnership
with
homeward
bound.
This
is
the
shelter
that
began
at
the
harris
cherokee
center
and
that's
been
at
the
red
roof
inn
for
the
past
several
months.
N
Throughout
this
program,
those
who
have
been
served
out
of
those
who
have
been
served
25
have
found
permanent
housing.
So
I
thought
that
was
a
really
nice
update.
Currently,
67
people
are
being
housed
in
the
red
roof
inn,
and
you
have
access
to
the
report
and
I've
provided
some
more
information
on
that
and
all
of
these
other
items,
the
city
recently
launched
a
new
office
of
data
and
performance.
N
This
is
part
of
the
city's
reimagining
public
safety
or
advancing
racial
equity
in
asheville,
work
and
part
of
the
creation
of
this
office
has
come
from
real
location
from
the
asheville
police
department.
It's
going
to
be
an
interdepartmental,
cross-departmental
team
and
I
encourage
you
all
so
just
to
learn
a
bit
more
about
that.
If
you
can
it's
a
recent
announcement,
the
city
is
seeking
input
on
a
proposed,
affordable
housing
project
on
ashland
avenue,
and
you
may
or
may
not
be
aware
of
this.
N
It's
just
outside
of
the
central
business
district,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
you
all
were
aware
of
that
input
opportunity.
There's
a
survey
live
now
and
council
is
going
to
be
getting
an
update
on
february
23rd
cities.
Remote
meetings
continue,
I
think
you'll
you
all
are
familiar
by
now.
Just
know
that
all
of
the
meetings
are
streamed
live.
N
You
can
also
go
back
and
watch
them
later
and,
and
there
are
always
opportunities
for
public
comment:
covid
resources,
there's
new,
updated
information
all
the
time,
particularly
about
vaccines,
and
I
just
encourage
you
all
to
visit
the
county's
resources
on
that.
We
do
also
continue
to
staff
a
call
center.
N
If
anyone
has
questions
about
covid19,
I
put
a
number
and
email
address
in
the
report
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
have
gio.
H
H
Yeah,
because
I
knew
that
that
was
the
the
grove
arcade
one
was
changing
and
and
and
that
would
be
product,
but
you
know
we
kind
of
lost
track
of
bostovino
and
and
suddenly
it's
back
up
and
it's
great
and
I've
never
seen
it
before.
I
had
never.
M
B
It
look,
it
looks
right,
it's
a
total
redesign
too.
I
believe
and
yeah.
I
thought
the
team
did
a
great
job.
It
looks
I
was.
I
was
at
the
unveiling
and
or
the
dedication
and
it's
it's
great.
I
love
to
see
any
improvements
in
that
area.
Obviously
that
area
is
close
to
my
heart,
so
I'd
love
to
see
that
any
more
questions
for
dana.
B
No
all
right
well,
this
leads
us
to
public
comment,
but
hearing
that
there
is
no
public
general
public
comment
that
came
in.
We
can
have
an
informal
discussion
talk
about
future
agenda
items.
If
there's
anything
anybody
would
anybody
would
like
to
introduce.
I
I
have
one
thing:
I'd
like
to
share
I'd
like
to
give
a
shout
out
to
asheville
mardi
gras,
normally
mardi
gras
would
be
sunday
february
14th
this
year.
Obviously
we
can't
have
a
parade.
I
So
what
we're
doing
instead
is
a
drive-by
house
parade,
so
the
houses
are
are
basically
the
floats
and
you
just
drive
around
and
check
them
out.
So
anyway,
it's
on
our
website
information
for
it
I'll
send
that
out
to
everybody,
but
also
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
in
addition
to
the
house
parade,
we
also
raised
6
500
to
donate,
to
people
who
are
in
need,
and
they
can
also
apply
through
the
website
or
suggest
somebody
else.
You
know
through
the
website,
and
so
those
are
going
out
right
now.
I
I
think
we
have
a
few
some
funds
left
and
those
are
in
the
form
of
ingles,
typically
hundred
dollar
ingles
gift
cards,
so
I'll
just
send
that
out
to
everybody.
There
was
also
a
nice
little
letter
to
the
editor
editor
in
messages
and
times
today
from
my
wife
cynthia
so
anyway,
I'll
send
it
out,
and
you
check
it
out
on
the
website.
B
Great,
thank
you
dane
anyone
else.
B
All
right
well
with
that
I'd
like
to
congratulate
our
incoming
chair
and
vice
chair,
brian
moffitt
and
kimberly
hunter
can
really
have
to
go.
Unfortunately,
but
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
going
to
do
a
great
job
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
so
with
that
being
said,
we
are
ready
for
adjournment.
So
can
I
have
a
can?
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
B
All
right
and
all
in
favor
aye
great
and
you
opposed
seeing
none
our
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you
guys
very
much,
and
I
will
see
you
in
april
see
y'all.