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April 8, 2014
Asheville City Council Meeting
A
A
And
whereas
every
child
has
a
right
to
a
safe,
healthy,
nurturing
environment,
free
from
abuse.
And
whereas
community
action
is
needed
to
help
prevent
child
abuse
so
that
all
children
can
have
the
opportunity
to
reach
their
potential.
And
whereas
it
is
vital
that
we
join
forces
with
the
child
protection
team
of
buncombe,
county
and
child
abuse
prevention.
Services
inc
to
reach
out
to
parents
and
children
to
increase
awareness,
prevent
child
abuse
and
neglect,
strengthen
families
and
assist
children
and
families
who
have
experienced
abuse.
Now.
D
Say
a
few
words.
Thank
you,
mayor
council.
I
thought
I
had
a
couple
of
notes,
but
this
says
hiking
bale
wallow
mountain
and
when
I
gave
your
wonderful
clerk,
maggie
burleson
some
brochures
to
give
to
you.
Apparently
this
was
on
the
back
and
maybe
we
should
all
go
hike,
noelle
mountain
and
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
make
light
of
a
very,
very
serious
problem,
not
only
here
but
but
everywhere
the
numbers
are
still
staggering.
D
I
mean
you
heard
those
five
million
children
reported
abused,
neglected
every
year
in
the
country,
125
000
north
carolina.
Fourth,
almost
five
thousand
here
in
buncombe
county,
but
the
successes
of
many
too,
whether
it's
kids,
who
who
hopefully
never
experience
an
abusive
situation,
learn
to
get
out
of
it
through
a
school-based
prevention,
personal
safety
program.
They
raise
a
hand
and
disclose
abuse.
They
come
to
us
for
counseling
it.
The
the
the
hurt,
stops
the
hope
and
healing
begins
and
there's
no
reoccurrence
of
it.
D
A
lot
of
things
going
on
good
things
with
the
asheville
police
department,
chief
anderson,
some
of
the
investigators
mandy
buchanan,
who
handles
child
abuse
cases.
So
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
good
things
are
going
on
the
community
too.
Just
recently,
we
did
a
new
program:
real
quick
stewards
of
children,
child
sexual
abuse
prevention,
training
for
adults
for
all
the
asheville
city,
school
counselors
and
social
workers.
We
can't
do
it
for
everybody,
but
we
figured
things
like
that
would
be
a
great
catalyst
to
get
it
out
in
the
community.
D
E
F
F
Thank
you,
whereas
parkinson's
disease
is
a
chronic,
progressive,
neurological
disease
and
is
the
second
most
common
neurodegenerative
disease
in
the
united
states
and
whereas
there
is
inadequate
data
on
the
incidence
and
prevalence
of
parkinson's
disease.
But
it
is
estimated
to
affect
500
000
to
1
million
500
000
people
in
the
united
states
and
the
prevalence
will
more
than
double
by
2040
and
whereas
parkinson's
disease
is
the
14th
leading
cause
of
death
in
the
united
states.
F
F
G
G
G
A
C
C
K
Hi,
my
name
is
lucia
doherty
and
I'm
the
new
program
director
for
the
asheville
buncombe
community
relations
council.
Thank
you
to
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
for
not
only
your
signature
on
this
proclamation,
but
for
allowing
us
to
be
here
today.
We
are
so
excited
because
today
marks
the
I'm
sorry.
This
month
marks
the
46th
anniversary
of
the
passing
of
the
fair
housing
act,
which
is
title
8
of
the
civil
rights
act
and
basically
with
our
organization.
We're
happy
to
also
share
this
with
pisgah
legal
services.
K
L
M
Well,
thank
you,
mayor
and
city
council
on
behalf
of
smartstart,
just
a
good
reminder
to
all
that
there
are
only
two
thousand
days
between
when
a
child's
born
and
when
that
child
enters
kindergarten.
And
yet
ninety
percent
of
brain
development
happens
in
that
critical
period,
so
at
smart
start
we're
focusing
on
the
young
children,
families
and
the
early
educators
to
be
sure
that
children
get
that
foundation
for
future
learning
and
lifelong
appreciate
your
of
week
of
the
young
child,
where
we're
supporting
the
work
of
all
those
folks
thanks
so
much.
Thank
you.
I
N
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you.
City
council
just
wanted
to
yeah,
just
thank
you
for
recognizing
national
volunteer
week
and
the
role
that
volunteers
play
in
our
community
and
making
our
wonderful
city
even
better
on
so
much
of
the
work
of
nonprofits
and
the
city
and
schools
would
not
be
done
without
volunteers,
and
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
recognizing
volunteers
and
thank
you
for
volunteering.
So
much
in
our
community
definitely
remember
hands
on
asheville
the
volunteer
center
of
united
way.
We
strive
to
make
volunteering
easy.
N
O
Please
come
up
and
it
was
a
very
festive
moment.
I
will
say
that
these
fine
folks
were
delayed.
They
flew
into
charlotte
and
their
flight
to
charlotte
had
been
delayed
and
they
were
threatened
with
staying
overnight
in
the
charlotte
airport,
which
would
be
a
horrible
way
to
be
welcome
to
our
region
here.
But
luckily
it
was
worked
out
to
get
a
van
right
over
and
so
we're
here.
But
and
I'm
sorry,
I
haven't
reconnected
with
y'all
since
then.
O
So
I
would
like
to
read
this
proclamation
designating
that
this
is
actual
sister
city
day
with
a
showboat
of
nigeria,
whereas
the
city
of
asheville,
north
carolina
and
the
city
of
ashobo,
nigeria
began
their
sister
city
relationship
in
2008,
which
continues
to
this
day
and
whereas,
through
our
partnership,
both
communities
have
hosted
delegations
in
their
city,
highlighting
artistic
business,
educational,
medical
and
economic
development
opportunities,
thereby
furthering
our
friendship,
which
was
initiated
in
2006
by
chief
sola
atonda
of
oshobo
and
valerie
watson.
Deuce
of
asheville.
O
Executive
secretary
of
the
shobo
local
government
and
honorable
hakeem
olasende
okanade
executive
secretary
larunda,
local
government,
and
whereas
it
is
fitting
and
proper
to
recognize
the
successful
completion
of
the
african
urban
poverty
alleviation
project
completed
in
november
2012,
with
the
opening
of
29
fresh
water
wells
in
a
show
bow
and
the
official
commissioning
of
the
atelwo
model.
Primary
healthcare
center
in
ashobo
on
november
8
2013,
with
special
appreciation
to
paddy
oda
delay.
O
These
are
honorary
citizens
of
this
of
the
city
of
asheville.
As
of
nine
days
ago,
we
we
shared
pins
with
them,
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
former
mayor.
Terry
bellamy
is
here
terry.
Will
you
please
stand
up
and
join
us
here,
mayor
bellamy
during
her
term
late
last
summer?
I
think
it
was
actually
traveled
to
shobo
and
spent
several
days
with
the
the
events
there
acknowledging
some
of
the
things
I
read
in
the
proclamation.
O
J
J
It
has
been
very
important
really.
As
you
said,
there
are
many
projects
that
we
have
done
in
participation
with
some
of
the
other
sister
cities
a
little
bit
about
sister
cities.
It
was
begun
in
1956
and
during
the
eisenhower
administration
there
are
59
sister
cities
in
north
carolina
sponsored
by
24
north
carolina
communities.
J
We
have
six
sister
cities
here
and,
and
we
are
honored
to
have
these
four
delegates
from
ashokpo
here
today
we
have
two
obgyn
physicians
included
and
two
educators
here
and
they've
spent,
like
you
said,
mark
the
last
nine
days
here
and
we
are
honored
to
have
them.
As
I
said,
they
have
had
a
very
full
schedule,
they're,
probably
going
to
be
glad
to
get
home.
J
P
Then
we
also
have
a
few
books
about
what
ushobo
is
where
oshawa
is
located
and
the
activities
of
the
actual
sister
cities
and
the
second
copy
of
books
are
books
related
to
the
last
project
which
asheville
and
should
we
work
together
with
cheyenne
and
raleigh
to
finance
back
home?
That
was
the
maternity
center,
which
was
discussed
earlier
on.
P
Finally,
we
have
a
little
gift
from
the
ushobo
sister
cities
association
to
show
appreciation
to
the
city
of
asheville
and
to
the
mayor
for
the
support,
the
love
they
have
shown
to
us.
Since
we
arrived
in
the
city
of
asheville,
it
may
be
a
little
gift,
but
it
shows
that
our
heart
is
with
you.
Thank
you.
P
A
A
Well,
that
was
a
wonderful
opportunity,
doesn't
often
happen,
so
we
really
get
to
enjoy
that
and
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
pass
out
these
books
here.
Take
a
look
nice
all
right.
Next,
we
have
the
consent
agenda.
Is
there
any
item
on
the
consent
agenda
that
anyone
would
like
to
have?
I
pulled
out
and
voted
on
separately?
Q
B
F
A
D
A
A
B
And
aaron
presented
a
fantastic,
a
very
comprehensive
view
of
regulatory
bill
74,
which
is
a
very
comprehensive
anonymous
bill
that
was
passed
in
the
late
days
of
the
2013
general
assembly
that
bill
pretty
much
arranges
anywhere
from
disallowing
cities
to
adopt
policies
pertaining
to
living
wage,
to
disallowing
cities
to
adopt
environmental
ordinances
that
are
that
are
stricter
than
state
and
federal
environmental
laws.
Erin
did
a
fantastic
presentation
at
the
2014
winter
municipal
attorneys
conference,
and
I
spoke
with
the
mayor
about
her
coming
here.
B
To
also
do
that
presentation
here,
and
that
is
why
she's
here
today,
just
to
give
you
a
little
background
about
erin,
she
is
the
legislative
and
regulatory
issues
manager
for
the
north
carolina
league
of
municipalities
and
she
oversees
all
environmental
issues
and
advocacy
for
league
members.
In
this
capacity.
She
advocates
for
league
members
interests
throughout
the
legislative
and
regulatory
process
and
represents
the
league
membership
in
negotiations
with
legislators,
state
agency
decision
makers
and
appointed
boards,
such
as
the
north
carolina
environmental
management,
commission
and
the
north
carolina
mining
and
energy
commission.
B
R
Very
kind
words.
Thank
you
martha.
It's
really
good
to
be
with
you
all
today,
I'm
going
to
try
to
keep
this
presentation
to
20
minutes.
So
that's
why
I
have
my
phone
up
here,
so
I
can
keep
track
of
my
own
time.
Let
me
get
this
presentation
up,
so
what
I
did
is
I
shortened
the
presentation
that
martha
just
referred
to
that
I
gave
to
the
municipal
attorneys
conference,
so
I've
got
a
lot
of
slides,
I'm
going
to
go
through
them
quickly.
It
is
a
good
deal
shorter
than
the
original
presentation.
R
So
here
we've
got
our
overview
of
what
I'll
talk
about
today,
I'm
going
to
give
an
overview
of
regulatory
reform
generally
at
the
general
assembly
kind
of
so
we
all
understand
what
that
term
means
and
then
we'll
go
specifically
to
talk
about
local
government
environment
ordinances.
That
was
the
topic
out
of
the
many
that
the
reg
reform
act
had
that
martha
had
asked
me
to
address
so
as
background
regulatory
reform
is
one
of
the
planks
in
the
majority
party's
platform.
R
So
it
is
a
very
big
topic
for
them
to
take
on
the
way
they
have
tended
to
do
it
over.
The
past
couple
of
sessions
is
through
large
omnibus
bills
that
have
dozens
and
dozens
of
provisions
in
one
bill.
It
does
make
it
easier
to
move
legislation
through
the
process
when
you
do
it
that
way,
as
opposed
to
individual
bills.
So
that's
why
they
do
it
that
way.
What
does
regular
for
regulatory
reform
mean
at
the
state
level?
R
Generally,
it
means
tweaks
to
our
state
laws,
particularly
environmental
laws,
although,
although
as
you'll
see
when
I
go
through
this,
it's
not
exclusively
environmental
laws,
it
also
means
changes
to
the
administrative
procedures
act.
I
know
that
sounds
very
arcane.
What
it
refers
to
is
rulemaking,
so
once
a
law
is
passed
to
the
legislature
and
then
it
goes
to
the
state
agencies
and
they
have
to
implement
it,
they
often
have
to
pass
rules.
They
do
it
pursuant
to
our
administrative
procedures
act
so
when
they
make
changes
to
that
law.
R
That
also
falls
under
regulatory
reform
at
the
local
level,
because
cities
obviously
do
a
fair
amount
of
regulating
behavior
as
well.
That
can
mean
restrictions
that
the
general
assembly
puts
on
that
local
regulatory
authority,
particularly
in
the
environmental
and
land
use
areas.
So
that's,
obviously
what
I
do
a
fair
amount
of
my
day
covering
on
behalf
of
all
the
cities
and
towns
in
the
state.
R
It
also
not
yet,
but
could
include
possible
local
government
administrative
procedures
act.
That's
an
idea.
We've
heard
representative
tim
moffat
throw
out
during
public
meetings.
It
also
could
mean
a
periodic
review
of
local
codes.
That
is
a
concept
that
representative
ruth
samuelson
has
has
mentioned
in
public.
It
would
mirror
a
procedure
that
the
legislature
put
in
place
also
in
this
regulatory
reform
act
last
year.
That
requires
the
state
to
review
all
of
its
administrative
code.
R
So
there
is
some
talk
that
maybe
that
needs
to
happen
at
the
local
level
as
well.
Just
get
a
periodic
look
at
local
codes,
state
level
regulatory
reforms.
We've
seen
recently
deal
with
these
various
topics
that
I
list
here,
although
this
is
not
inclusive
of
everything.
It's
just
a
representation
of
kind
of
the
wide
variety
of
topics
that
regulatory
reform
can
mean.
Hydraulic
fracturing
was
a
pretty
high
profile
environmental
topic
in
this
regulatory
reform
act
of
2013.
R
R
R
R
There
are
also
a
lot
of
topics
that
other
interest
groups
or
legislators
themselves,
initiated
that
would
qualify
as
regulatory
reform
issue
of
guns
in
parks
how
those
can
be
regulated
in
parks,
regulation
of
billboards
and
cell
phone
towers,
recycled
material
stockpiles.
Those
are
the
the
big
piles
that
sometimes
can
go
hundreds
of
feet
into
the
air.
R
This
issue
of
gravel
not
being
built
upon
area.
That's
a
storm
water
issue.
It
is
very
specific
part
of
our
stormwater
regulations.
Rental
registration
is
a
type
of
program
that
many
cities
have
to
help
with
some
landlord
tenant
issues.
Regulation
of
health
care
structures,
outdoor
smoking
and
urban
farms
in
cities,
all
of
those
were
discussed
this
past
session
and
qualifies
regulatory
reform,
so
that
kind
of
gives
us
a
concept
of
what
regulatory
reform
meant
in
the
broad
sense.
R
What
I
hope
we
can
talk
about
now
is
this
local
environment
ordinances
provision.
This
was
one
that
the
league
membership
and
us
on
the
league
staff
worked
very
hard
to
get
from
its
initial
proposed
form
into
one
that
we
we
expect
to
see
actually
tomorrow
proposed
for
the
short
session.
So
just
to
give
you
an
overview
of
what
this
was.
It
was
an
initiative
of
development
interests
and
originated
in
the
senate.
R
There
were
multiple
iterations
of
this
idea
and
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
kind
of
a
brief
timeline
of
those.
So
you
can
see
how
it
moved
from
the
time
it
was
introduced
to
where
we
are
now
there
were
restrictions
made.
The
idea
was
that
local
governments
should
not
be
able
to
pass
environment
ordinances
that
are
quote
more
stringent
than
state
or
federal
law.
That
was
the
concept
that
was
put
forward.
What
ended
up
in
state
law
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
tell
you
guys
now
so
spoiler
alert.
R
R
We
know
that
cities
and
towns
and
counties
have
been
passing
these
ordinances
since
the
law
took
effect
last
summer,
but
we
know
it's
been
because
there's
been
just
a
very
high
threshold
and
chances
are,
they
aren't
very
controversial
ordinances
in
addition
to
this
moratorium
that
I
just
described.
What
we
also
got
was
a
study
of
the
the
concept
and
the
idea
and
that's
been
going
on
since
last
fall
and
so
I'll
get
into
that
in
just
a
little
bit
bottom
line.
R
I
think
we're
in
a
pretty
good
place
from
where
we
started
to
where
we
are
now.
So,
of
course,
cities
and
towns
have
as
their
source
of
local
authority
this
particular
provision
in
our
state
statutes,
it's
called
general
ordinance,
making
power,
there's
a
sister
provision
for
counties,
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
this
in
great
detail,
except
to
say
that
there
are
already
restrictions
on
what
cities
and
towns
can
do
in
terms
of
the
ordinances
that
you
can
pass.
R
In
addition
to
those
limitations
that
are
in
our
state
statutes,
there
are
other
limitations
as
well.
Sometimes
they
are
expressed.
Sometimes,
cities
are
expressly
preempted
from
passing
environment
ordinances.
One
example
I
list
here
is
with
hazardous
waste,
state
statutes,
expressly
say,
cities
and
towns.
You
can't
pass
ordinances
regulating
this
particular
activity.
We're
going
to
do
that
at
the
state
level.
However,
that
same
statute
does
allow
local
governments
to
apply
their
zoning
and
land
use
ordinances.
So,
while
that's
not
a
direct
regulation
of
the
activity
itself,
it
does
regulate
kind
of
where
it
can
happen.
R
How
close
it
can
be
to
neighboring
parcels
those
sorts
of
regulations
locals
can
still
do
sometimes
in
state
law.
We
have
implied
preemption.
This
happens
often
because
some
some
aggrieved
party
takes
it
through
our
court
system,
and
so
that's
what
happened
here.
In
our
hog
lagoon
example,
chatham
county
tried
to
pass
an
ordinance
regulating
hog
lagoons
in
the
county.
R
They
were
challenged
and
they
were
not
successful
in
court.
What
the
court
said
and
here's
the
legal
standard
that
there
is
a
complete
and
integrated
regulatory
scheme
at
the
state
level
when
you
have
that,
then
locals
cannot
regulate
so
that's
implied
preemption.
There
are
also
some
common
laws
and
nuisance
control
type
of
of
law
that
can
also
give
cities
and
towns
authority
to
regulate
or
not,
could
take
it
back.
R
You
know
your
distribution
system,
ordinances,
the
kinds
of
construction
materials
that
can
be
used
on
these
pipes,
all
of
those
are
dictated
by
local
circumstance,
and
so
we
thought
that's
very
appropriate
to
be
handled
at
the
local
level,
and
we
pointed
out
that
these
are
very
you
know.
If
you
tried
to
regulate
this
at
the
state
level
in
a
one
size
fits
all,
probably
doesn't
work
so
well,
so
the
same
thing
happens
on
your
waste
water
service.
R
Of
course,
every
wastewater
system
has
a
sewer
use
ordinance
that
describes
what
people
can
put
into
the
system.
Of
course,
lots
of
substances
that
can
be
added
to
our
wastewater
system
are
toxic
and
they
can
actually
interfere
with
the
treatment
process
down
the
line,
so
ordinances
regulate
that
a
lot
of
them.
I
list
right
here
again
the
the
types
of
materials
that
can
use
bees
for
the
pipes.
All
of
that
goes
into
what
a
local
ordinance
would
regulate
for
waste
water
service
in
storm
water.
R
This
is
a
locally
regulated
activity
is
in
large
part,
driven
by
your
federal
permit.
I
know
here
in
asheville
you
have
a
federal
stormwater
permit.
It's
called
a
phase.
2
npdes
permit
you're
one
of
hundreds
of
communities
across
the
state
that
have
these
very
same
federal
permits
and
so
to
comply
with
that.
You
have
to
put
in
place
certain
ordinances,
and
so
very
often
your
water
quality
based
controls
are
those
that
are
the
direct
result
of
this
federal
regulation.
R
There
is
also
state
level
storm
water
regulation
that
you're
required
to
meet
watershed
water
supply.
I
know
you've
got
a
very
pristine
watershed
here.
All
of
that
is
because
of
the
state
level
regulation
that
you're
required
to
meet
through
your
local
ordinances,
sedimentation
and
immersion
control
flooding.
All
of
these
are
very
localized
circumstances
that
you
would
choose
to
regulate
through
a
local
ordinance.
R
Finally,
we
have
the
other
topics.
I
list
here:
solid
waste
collection,
hazardous
waste
management
like
we
discussed
earlier,
hunting
believe
it
or
not.
Under
this
particular
state
law
became
an
environment
ordinance.
They
chose
to
define
an
environment
ordinance
as
one
where
a
state
agency
also
regulated
that
area
and
they
included
the
wildlife
resources.
Commission,
wildlife
resources
commission
regulates
hunting.
Therefore,
any
local
hunting
regulations
became
environment
ordinances
under
this
particular
law.
R
So
that's
what
we
think
environment
ordinances
are,
and
we
do.
We
spend
a
lot
of
time.
Educating
legislators,
the
league
members
we're
working
with
their
legislative
local
delegations
to
tell
them
exactly
what
types
of
activities
local
governments
do
regulate
in
the
environment
realm.
But
what
did
the
proponents
of
this
law
actually
want
to
get
at?
They
did
want
to
get
at
some
of
these
very
same
ordinances,
particularly
in
the
stormwater
area.
R
The
remainder
of
the
examples
that
were
given
in
public
meetings
by
proponents
of
this
particular
provision
were
what
I
would
call
a
soft
environment
ordinance
and
you
can
see
them
listed
here
tree
ordinances.
There
are
some
communities
that
wanted
to
have
restrictions
on
when
leaf
blowers
could
be
operated.
Obviously,
that's
going
to
be
a
noise-based
restriction.
R
They
you
have
people
living
close
together.
You
don't
necessarily
want
your
neighbor
running
a
leaf
blower
at
3am
and
waking
everybody
up
drive
through
bands.
I
know
the
town
of
carrboro
right
now
is
embroiled
in
a
pretty
big,
significant
debate
about
whether
drive-through
should
be
allowed
in
their
community.
R
The
height
of
recycling
stockpiles
we
talked
about
earlier.
Really.
The
bottom
line
is
that
proponents
said
local
governments
very
often
will
use
environmental
justifications
in
order
to
pass
these
other
types
of
regulations
that
are,
in
fact
just
restrictions
on
commerce.
So
that
was
the
message
that
was
delivered
at
the
general
assembly
throughout
this
debate.
R
I
think
I've
already
talked
about
this.
Why
cities
would
pass
these
ordinances?
Obviously,
you've
got
to
comply
with
your
federal
and
state
mandates.
There's
just
no
getting
around
that.
You
get
fined.
If
you
can't
do
that
and
you
do
that
through
your
ordinances.
So
we
really
press
that
point
that
that
authority
just
cannot
be
restricted.
R
Very
often,
local
governments
will
relieve
the
state
of
its
burden
of
running
some
of
these
environment
programs.
Sedimentation
erosion
control
is
a
great
example
of
that.
That
is
a
state
program
that
a
lot
of
cities
and
towns
and
counties
will
take
on
once
you
take
on
a
state
delegated
program.
You
need
the
authority
to
run
the
program
through
your
ordinances.
Of
course,
some
communities
put
these
ordinances
in
place
to
promote
economic
development.
R
I
know
lake
lure
did
a
great
job
of
telling
its
story.
Of
course
it's
a
beautiful
neighbor
of
asheville's
and
they
depend
for
their
economy,
their
local
economy,
on
that
lake
being
a
one
that
people
can
access
that
they
can
view
from
a
hike
or
maybe
from
chimney
rock.
If
it
fills
up
with
sediment,
which
is
a
very
real
possibility,
then
they
no
longer
have
their
source
of
economic
development,
so
they
did
a
really
good
job
of
saying.
R
R
So
that
was
a
pretty
big
problem
for
most
of
the
the
league
members
and
we
eventually
got
it
narrowed
to
environment
ordinances.
So
that's
where
we
were
at
the
end
of
april.
This
is
a
condensed
slide
by
the
way,
there
are
lots
of
other
steps
and,
if
you
all,
really
are
interested
in
and
how
we
ended
up,
please
feel
free
to
contact
me
about
that,
but,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
in
july,
towards
the
end
of
session,
this
provision
reappeared.
R
It
was
beginning
to
show
some
problems,
though
people
were
pointing
out
hey.
If
we
can't
regulate,
say
flooding,
then
all
of
a
sudden,
our
community
flood
rating
goes
it's
either
down
or
up,
but
whichever
direction
it
is,
it
meant
that
folks
who
wanted
to
get
flood
insurance
would
have
to
pay
higher
premiums,
because
they,
the
local
community,
would
not
have
the
ability
to
control
flooding.
R
So
that
was
a
pretty
big
problem
for
a
lot
of
our
legislators,
so
they
started
carving
out
an
exemption
so
now
you're
seeing
kind
of
cracks
in
in
the
idea
there
were
other.
There
are
other
exemptions
for
unique
conditions.
That
was
the
word
used
in
that
law
or
that
particular
provision
that,
however,
did
not
pass.
What
we
ultimately
ended
up
with
is
what
I
described
earlier.
This
moratorium
plus
the
study,
so
the
house
adopted
they
were
the
last
ones
to
vote
so
when
they
adopted
this.
R
On
the
last
day
of
session
on
july
26,
it
went
to
the
governor
for
his
signature.
He
waited
till
the
last
day
that
he
could
in
order
to
sign
the
law.
He
was
very
concerned
about
this
provision,
but
ultimately
we
were
told
this
was
not
what
held
him
up
in
making
his
decision
on
whether
he
would
veto
or
sign
the
bill.
It
was
actually
that
gravel
provision
about
stormwater
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
That
apparently
was
the
big
hold
up
for
him.
R
He
did
sign
the
bill,
though,
and
so
what
we
got
on
october
9th
was
two
legislators
on
the
environmental
review:
commission
senator
andrew
brock,
who
represents
davey
and
rowan
counties
and
representative
chuck
mcgrady,
who
I
know
that
you
all
probably
are
familiar
with
he's
from
henderson
county
just
south
of
here,
and
so
they
both
were
leaders
of
this
interim
study
group,
and
I
really
do
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
representative
mcgrady
for
the
tremendous
lift
that
he
did
on
this
issue
on
behalf
of
local
governments.
He
really
you
know
we.
R
We
applied
a
lot
of
pressure,
we
collectively
as
cities
and
towns
across
the
state
applied
an
awful
lot
of
pressure.
Representative
mcgrady
did
that
within
you
know
his
his
legislative
realm,
and
really,
I
think
is,
is
the
reason
that
we
are
where
we
are
today,
which
is
there
will
be
a
recommendation.
We
expect
to
be
passed
tomorrow
that
will
repeal
this
moratorium
provision
and
that's
it
so
basically
restoring
everything
to
where
it
was
before.
R
R
I
say
that
on
behalf
of
cities
and
towns,
we're
certainly
giving
them
that
message,
but
beyond
that,
I
do
think
you
could
expect
a
similar
idea
to
come
back
in
the
long
session
reasons
that
they
gave.
Let
me
just
skip
to
this
last
slide
here.
For
lifting
this
moratorium
they
had
difficulty
defining
what
an
environment
ordinance
was,
what
they
crafted
in
state
law,
isn't
exactly
what
they
wanted
to
get
at,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
recognition
that
that
there
was
a
misfit
there.
Also.
R
They
said
that
there
were
no
state
agencies
that
were
actually
requesting
this.
Of
course,
the
idea
was,
you
wouldn't
be
any
more
stringent
than
a
state
or
federal
agency,
but
the
state
agencies
had
themselves
not
identified
this
as
a
problem
and
then
finally,
they
said
that
the
current
law,
so
this
moratorium,
that
we
have
in
place
didn't
address
actual
identified
problems
with
local
government
regulation.
R
So
I
do
think
you'll
continue
to
see
kind
of
a
piecemeal
approach,
but
in
terms
of
what
we
considered
a
very
big
threat
to
local
government
authority,
we
really
moved.
We
collectively
really
moved
the
dial,
I'm
just
going
to
leave
this
slide
up
here.
This
is
our
graphic
that
we
put
together
kind
of
talking
about
all
the
steps
that
league
members
made
to
get
through
this
debate,
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
stop
my
quick
presentation
and
see
if
there
are
questions.
A
We
really
appreciate
you
coming
all
this
way
to
make
this
presentation
for
us.
This
is
a
confusing
large
bill
that
affects
local
governments,
and
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
have
a
better
discussion
about
it
and
understand
more
fully.
The
amendments
that
we
might
see
coming
this
next
legislative
session
sure
has
anyone
helped
again.
F
R
R
Yeah,
it
doesn't
really
the
administrative
procedures
act
doesn't
really
go
into
the
content
of
the
rule.
I
I
will
say
it
generally
will,
but
not
specifically.
So
what
I
mean
by
that
is
generally
a
rule
has
to
be
necessary.
You
know
things
those
those
types
of
qualifications
to
to
be
a
valid
rule.
But
beyond
that,
there's
there's
it's
not
getting
down
into
exact
specifics.
L
R
R
These
examples
on
the
second
bullet
point
were
a
lot
of
the
ones
that
were
cited
by
the
interest
groups
that
wanted
to
see
this
go
forward
as
examples
of
problems,
and
I
think,
if
you
want
to
generalize
it,
it's
more
anytime,
a
local
government
body
takes
an
action
that
would
restrict
what
an
individual
or
a
property
owner
could
do
that
that
counts.
That
is
kind
of
my
generalization
of
what
all
of
these
specific
examples
fit
into,
and
so
some
are
more
acceptable
than
others.
A
And
looking
at
that
hard
list
and
that
soft
list,
I
do
think
that
we,
the
city,
obviously
has
regulations
under
the
what
you
might
call
the
hard
environment
ordinances,
but
under
soft
I
think
we
have
a
tree
ordinance,
but
other
than
that
we
don't
to
my
knowledge,
have
ordinances
regarding
those
other.
Those
other
topics
is
that
to
say
that
there
are
local
governments
that
do.
R
Yes,
and
in
fact
when
this
was
presented
to
the
environmental
review
commission,
they
named
the
specific
communities
that
had
those
so
it
I
wouldn't
say
that
they
are
widespread
across
the
state.
I
think
these
are
pretty
localized
circumstances,
and
so
what
you
may
see
instead
of
statewide
bills,
is
bill's
specifically
targeting
one
jurisdiction
or
another
and
what
it
specifically,
what
that
local
unit
has
decided
to
do
in
that
community
and
just
pulling
back
the
authority
specific
for
that
particular
community.
A
Q
S
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
jeff
stouter
community
development
director,
so
I'm
here
tonight
to
present
a
recommendation
for
a
affordable
housing
development
that
has
been
recommended
by
the
housing
community
development
committee.
The
proposal
by
biotite
llc
is
to
create
30
units
of
affordable
housing
for
the
hardest
to
house
persons
in
our
community.
S
This
has
been
identified
as
the
last
necessary
step
for
us
to
achieve
our
10-year
plan
to
end
chronic
homelessness
in
the
community.
In
the
last
point
in
time
count
which
was
happened.
This
january
47
persons
were
indicated
as
and
identified
as
chronically
homeless
in
our
community,
and
while
many
many
solutions
are
being
successfully
used
to
house
and
to
help
chronically
homeless
persons
find
housing.
S
There
remains
a
population
that,
for
the
many
many
reasons
where
these
persons
do
not
find
that
the
mechanisms
that
we
have
in
place
for
housing
work
for
them
so
based
upon
a
model,
that's
been
practiced
and
proven
to
work
in
seattle,
washington
and
more
locally
and
closer
to
us
in
charlotte
north
carolina,
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
through
its
hard
to
house
subcommittee,
has
worked
with
biot
llc
as
a
developer.
The
developer
has
identified
and
now
has
control
of
a
site.
S
Now
these
funds
will
not
be
allocated
nor
put
under
contract
until
the
funds
necessary
to
construct
the
project
are
fully
raised,
but
this
is
an
important
step
in
the
hcd
committee's
mind
in
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee's
mind,
to
begin
the
process
of
leveraging
the
full
funding
necessary
to
develop.
This
project
to
recruit
other
governmental
and
municipal
partners
to
this
and
I'm
happy
to
say
that
the
asheville
regional
housing
consortium
today
approved
an
additional
25
000
to
their
original
recommendation.
S
So
on
april
22nd,
at
your
next
meeting,
there
will
be
a
recommendation
of
100
000
in
home
funds
to
be
dedicated
to
this
project.
So
conclusion,
the
recommendation
is
that
council
approved
resolution
authorizing
a
loan
subject
to
the
developer
meeting,
a
full
funding
condition
for
oak
hill.
Commons
be
fifty
eight
thousand
one
hundred
and
six
dollars
on
a
20-year
term
with
two
percent
interest
only
and
deferred
principal
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
about
this
project.
C
Just
do
you
have
a
question
glenn.
I
just
have
a
comment.
This
is
a
really
unique
opportunity
to
achieve
a
really
lofty
goal.
The
city
council
set
some
time
ago
and
I'm
really
grateful
to
see
ward
griffin
and
homeward
bound
and
mission
hospital
come
into
the
table
and
anticipate
many
more
partners.
All
of
the
members
of
the
home
consortium
across
the
counties
are
supporting
this
project
and
and
see
the
value
in
it.
So
with
that,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adopt
the
housing
trust
fund
recommendation
upon
bio
tab.
F
A
E
A
T
T
That
packet
of
fees
will
also
be
brought
back
as
a
part
of
the
budget
work
session
later
on,
for
you
all
to
consider
so
with
that
we
have
staff
from
the
departments
here
tonight.
If
you
all
have
any
questions
about
the
fee,
adjustments
I'd
be
happy
to
try
and
answer
those
or
staff
from
the
departments
are
here
as
well.
Thank
you.
U
Have
had
experience
with
that
both
at
development
construction
sites
more
with
events,
for
example,
bell
share
kind
of
events
where
they're
they're
permitted
they're
in
the
streets
or
for
those
kind
of
street
festivals.
We
seems
to
be
at
practice
in
the
northeast
and
people
see
the
youtube
videos
and
they
think
it's
a
great
idea
to.
Q
Q
So
I
think
that
sometimes
we
don't
do
ourselves
well
with
this,
because
I
know
it
was
headlines
in
the
newspaper
recently
we're
going
to
have
a
water
rate
increase
amounted
to
some
one
point.
I
can't
remember
what
the
percentage
was
1.5,
which
sounds
awful
in
some
respects.
I
think
any
kind
of
increase
bothers
people,
but
if
there
was
a
way
of
breaking
that
out
what
those
of
you
who
are
on
finance,
what
does
that
represent
to
the
average
consumer
homeowner.
A
Q
It's
three
dollars
per
year
and
mark.
If,
if
you
folks
were
this
is
in
times
and
david
or
I
don't
see
david,
it
should
be
stated
what
that's
that's
doing.
I
really
I've
had
people
approach
me
and
say:
why
are
you
going
up
on
the
water
again?
Well,
the
reason
we're
doing
is
to
keep
from
having
happen
what
happened
when
we
took
the
service
over
again
and
we
had
not
had
increases
on
a
regular
basis,
and
this
amounts
to
three
dollars
a
year
rather
than
getting
a
huge
quality
increase
10
years
from
now.
Q
I
think
that
to
me
I
personally
find
it
more
palatable
and
good
to
do
the
the
capital
improvement
fee
on
meter
size
that
one
gives
me
a
little
more
angst
that
it's
not
like
they're
getting
a
new
meter
or
the
meter
that
they
have
doesn't
depreciate.
Was
there
any
consideration
given
by
the
committee
on
that.
O
T
F
Something
else
that
I
think
gets
lost
in
the
discussion
that
people
should
remember
is
that
the
utility
is
a
break
even
deal.
We.
We
do
not
make
money
on
water
that
the
the
mandate
is
for
us
to
have
rates
that
cover
the
costs.
So,
as
costs
go
up,
for
instance,
fuel
costs
go
up,
labor
costs
go
up
and
so
forth.
We
the
rates,
move
up
to
cover
those
costs.
It's
not
like
the
city
is
suddenly
deciding
aha
we're
going
to
make
some
money
on
water.
Here
it's
it's.
It's
part.
F
C
Of
you
and
ultimately
it
just
allows
us:
we've
got
an
excellent
water
system.
That's
been
very
well
maintained,
been
recognized
nationally
and
internationally
for
what
we've
been
doing-
and
this
will
allow
us
to
maintain
the
quality
of
system
that
everyone
in
the
city
and
the
county
has
come
to
expect.
A
A
V
F
O
O
C
Okay,
well,
my
apologies
for
that
communication
breakdown
there.
Having
heard
from
the
community
relations
council-
and
I
ought
to
have
communicated
this
to
boards
and
commissions,
they
are
actually
hosting
a
kind
of
a
group
interview
board
recruitment
event
in
the
near
future
and
are
reaching
out
to
a
lot
of
different
members
of
the
community
to
invite
folks
to
learn
more
about
the
board
and
possibly
be
a
part
of
it.
So
with
that,
if
we
could
delay
that
one
more
month,
I
believe
that
would
allow
them
time
to
complete
their
process.
O
O
O
Y
A
A
All
right,
thank
you
vice
mayor
all
right.
That
concludes
the
formal
agenda
for
the
city
council.
I
have
three
folks
that
have
signed
up
to
speak
at
this
point
on
the
agenda.
That
does
not
mean
only
three
get
to
speak.
More
than
that
can
speak
and
just
to
just
to
establish
the
ground
rules.
Each
speaker
is
allowed
three
minutes
and
maggie
will
handle
the
timer
there
is
there
are
lights
on
the
lectern
green
means,
go
orange
means
watch
out.
Your
time
is
almost
up
and
red
means
stop.
A
If
you
want
to
speak
for
a
group,
that
is
an
option.
You
need
to
have
three
people
who
yield
their
time
to
you,
and
that
means
the
three
that
yield
their
time
cannot
therefore
speak.
They
will
be
giving
up
their
opportunity
to
speak
if
three
people
yield
their
time.
The
speaker
can
have
up
to
10
minutes
to
speak.
Okay,
everyone
good
all
right,
so
I'm
gonna
go
through
the
three
that
signed
up
first
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
and
just
try
to
move
along
in
an
orderly
fashion.
A
Z
Good
evening,
city
council,
madam
mayor,
my
name
is
timothy
sadler,
and
this
won't
come
as
a
surprise
to
to
any
of
y'all.
I
recently
attended
a
board
meeting
with
planning
and
zoning,
and
you
know
it.
I
had
the
realization
when
snacks
were
brought
out,
that
you
know
it
really
would
would
be
awesome
if
we
were.
Z
Using
local
vendors,
as
opposed
to
you,
know,
supporting
the
the
biggest
and
and
worst
corporate
citizens
in
the
country.
You
know,
I
know
it's
a
it's
kind
of
an
aspirational
thing
to
be
thinking
about.
Obviously,
there
are
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
with.
You
know
how
city
works,
but
I
I
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
interesting
thing
to
to
to
think
about
putting
purchasing
whatever
purchasing
power.
Z
We
are
currently
deploying
to
buy
snacks
for
meetings,
putting
those
dollars
behind
our
local
vendors
one
one
particular
product
that
I
think
would
be
a
good
fit
is
that
is
the
yerba
mate
synergy
bar
would
be
a
really
great
source
of
energy
and
again
be
putting
those
dollars
back
into
the
local
economy.
I
I
can't
imagine
there
are
many
other
cities
that
promote
local
as
much
as
we
do
and
just
potential
opportunity
to
to
take
some
action
steps
steps
in
that
direction.
W
W
W
W
The
hypocrisy
is
that
we
have
allowed
for
many
years
for
doctors
to
slaughter,
unborn
children,
but
we
don't
call
them
children
because
they're
in
the
womb.
Now
we
call
them
fetuses
and
the
interesting
thing
is
the
hypocrisy
is
if
a
crime
is
committed
and
a
child,
that's
in
the
womb
is
killed,
it's
called
a
child,
it
gets
its
first
amendment
rights
and
the
person's
person
is
convicted
for
murder.
W
W
W
A
few
years
ago,
I
gave
a
word
that
god
was
going
to
slaughter
the
children
of
america,
not
just
asheville
blood
for
blood.
God
does
not
like
innocent
blood
taken
lightly
to
kill
james
king
james.
He
got
it
wrong
in
the
ten
commandments.
His
style
should
not
commit
murder,
murder
means
taking
an
innocent
life
without
legal
justification.
W
W
Your
chance
is
this
for
this
city
council
to
declare
that
a
child
that
is
conceived,
whether
it's
in
the
womb
outside
the
womb
is
a
child
and
has
all
first
amendment
rights
and
to
push
our
congress
into
passing
a
law
declaring
that
once
a
child
is
conceived,
it
has
all
first
amendment
rights.
Thank
you.
AA
AA
Oh
my
glasses
on
here
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
use
of
roundup,
slash
agent,
orange
pesticides
on
city
parks
and
schools
in
asheville.
My
name
is
louise
heath.
This
is
marty
grist,
my
fellow
committee
member
for
gmo
and
biotech
free
wnc
and
the
carolinas,
and
we
also
have
a
non-profit
called,
do
not
alter
well
we're
here
today
to
communicate
to
the
city
council
our
concern
about
the
use
of
roundup
and
ancient
orange.
Now
I
don't
have
a
definite
confirmation
that
roundup
is
being
used,
but
it
is
being
used.
AA
AA
AA
We
would
like
to
do
a
future
presentation
with
the
extra
three
people
and
some
media
to
further
address
this
issue,
and
what
we're
asking
for
this
evening
is
the
recognition
recognition
of
the
dangers
that
are
involved
with
this
very
serious
toxin.
I
think
you
all
know
that
gmos
is
kind
of
a
byword
right
now.
AA
AA
Y
A
Y
Okay,
I'm
a
teacher
for
the
state
of
north
carolina.
I
work
with
children
who
are
blind
and
visually
impaired
and
have
worked
with
the
blind
for
over
35
years
in
arkansas
and
north
carolina.
So
I'm
very
concerned
about
what's
going
on,
what's
happening
to
our
kids,
I'm
going
to
read
this.
If
you
don't
mind
and
I
can
hand
out
copies
of
it,
copy
for
each
of
you,
monsanto
has
lied
to
us
and
the
research
is
out
there.
The
information-
I
just
hope
everybody
will
look
at
it
about
roundup
and
birth
defects.
Y
The
title
this
article
is
the
public
being
kept
in
the
dark.
The
pesticide
industry
and
eu
regulators
knew
long
ago
in
the
80s
and
90s
that
roundup,
the
world's
best
selling
herbicide
causes
birth
defects,
but
they
failed
to
inform
the
public.
This
report,
co-authored
by
international
scientists
and
researchers,
reveals
that
industry's
own
studies,
including
one
commissioned
by
monsanto,
showed
as
long
ago
as
1980s
that
roundup's
active
ingredient
glyphosate
causes
birth
defects
in
laboratory
animals.
Y
Industry
has
known
this
since
the
1980s
and
that
it
causes
malformations
in
experimental
animals
at
high
doses.
Industry
has
known
since
1993
these
effects
also
occur
at
lower
and
mid
doses,
and
the
german
government
has
known
since
at
least
1998.
That
glyphosate,
which
is
the
ingredient
in
roundup,
causes
malformations.
Y
The
eu
commissioner
expert
scientist
review
panel
knew
in
1999
that
glyphosate
causes
malformations.
The
eu
commission
has
known
since
2002
that
glyphosate
causes
malformations.
This
was
the
year
it
signed
off
on
the
current
approval
of
glyphosate,
but
this
information
was
not
made
public.
On
the
contrary,
the
pesticide
industry
and
europe's
regulators
have
jointly
misled
the
public
with
claims
that
glyphosate
is
safe.
It
is
not,
as
a
result,
roundup
is
used
by
home
gardeners
and
local
authorities
on
roadsides
and
school
grounds
and
in
other
public
areas,
as
well
as
in
farmers
fields.
Y
Y
A
AB
Get
it
my
name
is
paul
berry
and
I'm
a
resident
of
the
city
of
asheville,
my
wife
and
I,
and
our
two
daughters
and
our
cats
and
dogs
live
at
three
rathfarnum
road
in
south
asheville.
I'm
also
employed
here.
I'm
the
executive
director
of
brother
wolf
animal
rescue,
also
based
here
in
nashville
today,
I'm
here
addressing
you
as
a
concerned
citizen
and
a
volunteer
of
the
asheville
voice
for
animals
or
ava.
AB
Although
our
values
in
mission
at
brother
wilf
are
certainly
consistent
with
ava's
efforts
here
today,
council.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
this
evening
on
the
subject
of
circuses
that
use
exotic
animals
in
their
acts.
I've
been
working
in
the
industry
of
animal
welfare
for
over
20
years
now.
My
first
job
in
this
work
was
as
a
volunteer
cruelty
investigator
since
then.
AB
Indeed,
over
the
past
year,
the
rate
of
municipalities
banning
these
acts
is
increasing
exponentially
with
dozens
of
communities
across
the
country.
Passing
out
right
bands,
including
two
within
the
past
year
in
north
carolina,
the
seat
of
asheville
should
be
among
the
communities
banning
these
enterprises
of
cruelty
over
the
next
few
weeks.
Representatives
from
ava
will
bring
you
our
proposal
on
considering
an
exotic
animal
circus
ban
here
in
nashville
as
a
father,
a
taxpayer
concerned
local
citizen.
I
ask
you
to
all
please
work
with
us,
so
we
can
pass
this
ban
as
soon
as
possible.
A
So
technically
we
have
a
no
clapping
rule
and
I
realize
everyone's
very
excited.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
that
I
hate
to
be.
You
know
overbearing
about
enforcing
that,
but
if
there's
anyone
else
wishing
to
speak
yet
no
wait
now
you
keep
raising
your
hand.
Are
you
just
doing
it
for
other
people,
because
we
you
know
we
like
to
let
people
raise
their
own
hand.
A
A
Okay,
so
who's
going
to
make
the
presentation
you
are
going
to
okay.
So
just
so,
three
people
raise
your
hand.
Okay,
you
don't
have
to
over
volunteer
here,
just
three
people
and
just
know
you're
on
your
honor
you're,
not
you're,
not
going
to
speak
now
that
you've
yielded
your
time.
Okay
go
ahead.
Please
say
your
name.
My.
AC
AC
That
will
give
some
reasons
for
why
we
seek
this.
There's
lots
of
reasons
that
are
here.
Some,
of
course,
that
we're
very
concerned
about
is
just
the
treatment
of
animals
how
these
animals
are
treated
in
in,
in
the
council's
own
strategic
operation
plan
for
asheville,
under
the
quality
of
life
aspect
of
that
in
a
safe
city.
There's
many
problems
with
having
these
animal
circuses.
Here.
These
exotic
animal
circuses
here
around
the
nation.
There
have
been
many
many
cities,
who've
had
animals
where
these
animals
have
escaped
they've
caused
harm.
AC
We
over
the
past
few
months
I've
been
able
to
discover
that
the
animals
of
some
of
the
circus
that
is
exist
here,
primarily
the
one
primarily
that's
visit
here
annually-
do
have
elephants
that
have
tuberculosis
and
tuberculosis
is
transmittable
from
these
elephants
to
humans.
Of
course,
there's
never
any
research
to
find
out
exactly
where
these
people,
you
know,
because
of
where
the
people
that
end
up
with
tuberculosis
is
getting
it
from
they're
just
merely
treated,
but
that
is
possible.
We
also
have
a
presentation
that
I'd
like
to
show
you.
E
E
AC
Oh
okay,
all
right,
as
we
mentioned
earlier,
these
animals
are
forced
to
to
to
do
something
that
is
very
unnatural,
for
an
animal
to
do,
there's
many
things
that
occur
in
this
very
inhumane
training
these
animals.
As
you
can
see
this
baby
elephant
here,
it's
got
his
arm.
Its
legs,
arms
legs,
tied
up
being
pulled
with
ropes
and
you'll
notice.
This
device,
that's
in
the
hand
of
the
this
trainer.
That's
here,
it's
called
a
bull
hook.
AC
This
bull
hook
has
a
projectile
on
the
end
of
it
and
a
hook
on
the
end
of
it
in
this
long
weapon
that
they
use
to
train
these
animals
with
in
order
to
get
them
to
keep
them
in
control
and
become
submissive.
It's
very
inhumane.
What
they're
doing
with
these?
Not
to
mention
that
this
this
little
baby
elephant
is
taken
away
from
their
with
from
the
mother
of
the
age
of
about
one
year
old.
Before
they
start
this
here,
you
can
also
see
more
of
the
more
the
training.
AC
AC
Here
you
can
see
if
you
cannot
even
hear
this
animal
this
young
elephant
screaming
for
its
life
here
and
the
way
it's
being
treated
being
able
to
stand
on
its
head
because
it
is
forced
to
the
reason
it
is
forced
to
is
because
of
this
bull
hook.
You
have
here,
you
notice,
there's
multiple
men
here
that
have
these
bull
hooks
and
they're
continuously
beating
upon
this
animal,
forcing
it
submit
to
to
submit
to
these
terrible
acts.
AC
Most
of
these
animals
are
confined
to
cages.
There's
transported
here
to
this
city
in
boxcars
and
trucks,
very
little
ventilation,
ringling
brothers
circus
has
been
fined
over
two
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
over
the
previous
year,
the
largest
fine
ever
submitted
by
the
usda
for
animal
cruelty
charges.
AC
AC
AC
AC
And,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
just
over
the
previous
year,
270
thousand
dollars
in
fines,
the
largest
fine
ever
for
a
circus
in
the
united
states,
they've
been
charged
with
improper
handling
of
dangerous
animals.
Failure
to
provide
adequate
veterinary
care
for
the
animals,
including
those
that
are
suffering
from
tuberculosis,
causing
trauma
behavioral
stress,
physical
harm,
unnecessary
discomfort,
elements
that
sustain
injury,
also,
the
elephants
that
run
them
up
during
a
performance.
It's
a
really
big
problem.
AC
You
may
have,
because
there's
so
many
of
these
circuses
that
serve
around
the
nation.
The
national
news
doesn't
really
just
jump
in
and
tell
us
all
about.
So
we
don't
hear
about
this
in
many
cases
because
of
financial
reasons,
it's
really
not
wanted
to
be
reported,
but
this
is
happening
in
many
places
around
the
country
today,
where
these
elephants
escape,
they
run
amok,
either
in
the
city
or
in
the
actual
circus
ring
where
the
trainers
are
attempting
to
try
to
control
them.
AC
The
tigers
there
was
one
that
just
died
coming
across
the
mojave
desert
because
it
was
left
without
water,
on
a
train
car
for
inadequate
length
of
time
died
of
dehydration,
complete
unsanitary
feeding
practices.
This
is
money
feeding
these
animals
costs
money
in
order
to
feed
them
and
for
them
to
survive,
because
this
is
a
money
making
endeavor
and
an
event
endeavor.
AC
We've
got
many
cities,
I'd
love
to
say
that
asheville
can
join
this
new
century
in
bringing
this
ban
about
in
this
city
throughout
the
united
states.
Many
places
are
now
many
municipalities.
Many
cities
are
bringing
this
ban.
These
bans
about
pasadena,
california,
recently
glendale
and
six
other
cities
in
california.
AC
We've
got
boulder
colorado,
stanford
connecticut
in
florida,
the
home
of
ringling
brothers,
we've
got
hollywood
florida,
lauderdale
lakes
and
pompano
beach
all
have
banned
exotic
animal
circuses
in
their
in
their
areas.
Indiana
st
john's
maryland,
tacoma
park
in
massachusetts,
there's
six
different
cities
that
have
already
sought
to
ban
these
in
missouri
richmond
new
york.
Two
different
cities
in
new
york
have
already
banned
it.
AC
AC
Banning
the
bull
hook
simply
allows
keeps
the
trainers
from
using
bull
hook
during
their
presentation
and
later
they
go
back
into
their
training
facilities
and
they
continue
to
use
the
bull
hook.
They
just
simply
swap
the
bull
hook
for
a
bamboo
stick
while,
while
forcing
these
elephants
to
entertain
for
us
here
right
here
in
our
state,
chapel
hill
has
created
this
ban
already
on
exotic
animal
circuses,
and
the
entire
county
of
orange
county
has
also
created
a
ban
on
these
animals
and
circuses.
Circus
animals,
there's
lots
of
reasons
and
in
the
handout.
There
are.
AC
Many
of
those
reasons
are
explained
to
you
in
detail,
but
there's
also
some
other
things
that
we
find.
I
find
very
important
it's.
What
are
we
teaching
our
children?
You
know
this
is
a
different
world
than
we
were
in
the
1930s
and
1940s.
When
people
had
not
ever
had
any
exposure
to
these
animals,
everyone
got
excited
about
seeing
an
elephant
trumpet
or
or
something
they
had
never
ever
seen
before.
AC
There's
a
little
regard
for
how
that
elephant
got
here,
whether
it
was
taken
away
from
his
family,
you
know
in
its
natural
habitat,
where
it
lives
just
for
us
to
be
able
to
see
it,
but
a
child's
just
recently
explained
that
childs
who
observe
animal
abuse
are
more
likely
to
be
aggressive
toward
humans.
When
parents
take
children
to
the
surface,
they
indirectly
send
messages
that
they,
these
animals
are
objects
to
be
used
or
to
ignore
their
pain
or
their
suffering.
AC
AC
A
X
My
name
is
robbie
coleman,
and
I
am
also
with
nashville
voice
for
animals,
and
just
I've
done.
I
wrote
an
article
that
was
in
the
citizen
times
on
the
op
ed
page
sunday.
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
about
circuses,
there's
a
lot
of
information
online
and
a
lot
of
this
information
has
come
from
circus
trainers
who
have
quit
and
got
public
and
their
testimony
is
available
online.
Their
photographs
are
available
online,
so
the
animal
welfare
animal
welfare
act
doesn't
inspect
circus
training
facilities.
X
So
there's
a
big
hole
there
that
we
rely
on
these
trainers
to
fill
in
ringling
is
carson,
barnes
universe,
soul,
circus
are
some
of
the
biggies.
Ringling
is
the
biggest
and
ringling
contrary
to
what
it
says
is
no
longer
a
family
business.
It's
a
huge
company
that
is
part
of
a
entertainment,
conglomerate
called
feld
enterprises.
X
The
trend,
the
trend
in
zoos
across
the
country
has
been
to
give
animals
more
of
a
natural
space
and
group
them
together
with
their
own
kind,
so
that
they
can
be
happy,
and
maybe
people
can
see.
This
is
kind
of
how
they
do
act,
and
this
is
you
know
it's
it's
in
the
zoo's
interest
for
people
to
see
animals
being
peaceful
and
comfortable
and
and
content.
So
that's
a
trend.
That's
you
know.
However,
you
feel
about
zoos.
It
is.
It
has
changed
a
lot
of
the
zoos,
especially
in
the
big
cities.
X
The
circus
is
way
back
in
the
dark
ages,
because
the
animals,
as
you
saw
in
the
photos
literally,
are
confined
24
7,
except
when
they're
in
the
ring
or
being
trained.
They
can't
even
elephants.
I've
been
around
elephants,
they
need
to
lie
down.
They
can't
lie
down
when
they're
chained.
So
when
the
baby's
in
the
wild,
the
babies
stay
with
their
moms,
if
they're
a
female,
they
will
stay
with
the
mom
in
groups
forever.
X
So,
what's
what's
going
on
is
is
really
it's
against
what
we
stand
for
in
asheville
to
let
the
circus
come
here.
There
are
so
many
wonderful
human-only
circuses
such
as
cirque
du
soleil,
and
I
have
contacted
about
a
dozen
of
them
to
find
out
if
they'd
be
willing
to
come
here
to
perform
to
hopefully
take
over
when
we
no
longer
invite
ringling
to
come
to
the
u.s
cellular
center,
and
most
of
them
have
already
confirmed
back
that
they
would
be
interested.
X
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
for
coming
this
evening
and
making
us
aware
of
your
collective
position
on
this
issue
and
given
us
some
food
for
thought.
This
is
the
first
time
in
my
memory
since
serving
on
council
that
we've
had
anyone
approach
us
about
the
circus
coming
to
the
u.s
cellular
center
and
their
concerns
about
that.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this
to
our
attention.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
any
other
comments
about
that.
C
F
There
was
discussion
at
the
stacey
meeting
concerning
it
and
in
my
memory
when
I
was
raised
on
this
ac
was
that
we
got
a
fairly
indefinite
report
from
the
city
staff
about
the
use
of
roundup.
At
the
time
I
I
don't
remember
there
being
any
specifics
offered
that
that's
it
seemed
like
the
city
does
use
it
some,
but
I
can't
I'm
sorry.
I
don't
have
more.
O
U
I'd
be
happy
to
do
it,
it
is
pesticides,
and
herbicides
are
controlled.
Substances
that
we
use
on
a
very
limited
basis
vary
as,
of
course,
a
subjective
term,
and
we've
provided
information
on
the
kinds
of
cell
tower
uses
and
the
the
more
less
lower
traffic
areas
where
it
is
used.
I
believe
we
also
shared
with
council
and
with
the
advisory
committee
that
we
follow
the
guidelines.
U
C
C
As
the
comments
regarding
the
circus
coming
to
town,
a
lot
of
this
is
new
information
to
me
and
I'm
going
to
need
some
more
time
to
digest
it
and
just
been
doing
the
quick
phone
scan
and
seeing
that
270
thousand
dollars
in
fines
that
ringling
was
levied
back
in
2011
by
the
way
it
wasn't
the
last
12
months.
It
was
about
two
and
a
half
years
ago
and
then
also
seeing
in
december
31st
that
there
was
a
9.3
million
dollar
settlement
from
the
aspca2
ringling
for
claims
about
animal
cruelty.
C
It
seems
that
there's
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
there,
it's
hard
to
discern,
what's
kind
of
who's
who's,
doing
what
that
being
said,
I'm
interested
in
kind
of
learning
more
about
this,
and
certainly
don't
want
to
be
someone
who's,
tacitly
or
overtly
endorsing
any
sort
of
animal
cruelty
in
the
city
of
asheville.
I
don't
know
that
hyperbole
about
serial
killers
is
necessary.
However,
I
don't
want
to
vilify
people
who
are
villains,
so
I
would
cautio.
C
I
would
caution
the
advocates
against
animal
cruelty
from
likening
folks
to
serial
killers
and
as
someone
who
is
in
the
mental
health
field,
myself,
not
everyone
who
goes
to
the
circus
turns
into
an
abuser
or
a
serial
killer.
So
I'd
be
careful
about
your
hyperbole.
It
undermines
your
other
arguments.
F
F
A
We
will
review
this
to
to
my
knowledge,
since
I've
been
serving
on
council
council
hasn't
taken
any
steps
to
screen
who
does
and
who
does
not
use
the
us
cellular
center
as
a
venue.
So
that
would
be
a
change
for
for
our
role
in
that
I'm
not
saying
that's
inappropriate,
I'm
just
saying
that's
just
something
that
we
need
to
be
careful
about
and
take
seriously
and
examine
before
we
take
any
steps
in
that
direction,
so
I'll
I'll
be
interested
in
looking
to
the
city
manager
to
help
us
through
that
process
and
thinking
about
it.
A
F
U
A
I
I
To
to
consult
with
an
attorney
employed
by
the
city
about
matters
with
respect
to
which
the
attorney-client
privilege
between
the
city
and
its
attorney
must
be
preserved,
including
a
lawsuit
involving
the
following
parties,
state
of
north
carolina
city
of
asheville,
metropolitan
sewerage,
district
of
buncombe
county.
The
statutory
authorization
is
contained
in
gs,
143-318-1183.