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A
C
Good
afternoon
I'm
councilman
Bryan
Haines
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
June
25th
Public
Safety
Committee
meeting,
all
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
holding
these
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
C
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also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
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eight
three
for
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there
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us
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welcome
for
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watching
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while
you're
listening
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meeting
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please
be
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to
turn
down
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on
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device,
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute.
Your
mute,
your
microphone.
C
C
Have
a
motion
in
a
second:
we
will
roll
call
vote
to
approve
the
motion
and
second,
when
I
say
your
name,
please
say
I
to
approve
the
minutes.
Vice
mayor
whistler,
I
councilwoman
smith,
I
myself,
I
minutes
have
been
approved,
approved,
update
on
analysis
of
police
response
to
protest
is
up
next.
Next,
we
have
an
update
from
city
attorney,
Brad
Branham,
on
the
independent
analysis
of
police
response
to
the
recent
protest.
F
Thank
You
mr.
chairman,
and
thank
you
to
all
the
other
committee
members.
As
you
said,
my
name
is
Brad
Branham,
Asheville,
City,
Attorney
and
I'm
here
to
provide
the
committee
with
an
update
on
the
investigative
analysis
of
the
police
response
to
the
recent
protests
here
in
Asheville.
Now,
as
many
of
you
know,
we
arrived
at
this
point
after
protest,
which
started
in
late
May
of
this
year
and
continued
into
the
month
of
June.
F
In
response
to
these
protests,
the
Asheville
Police
Department
responded,
and
in
that
response
there
were
several
uses
of
force
along
with
APD
local
law
enforcement
agencies,
assisted
in
that
response,
as
well
as
the
National
Guard.
In
conjunction
with
this,
a
citywide
curfew
was
issued,
beginning
on
June,
2nd
and
lasting
through
the
evening
of
June
fifth,
which
prohibited,
among
other
things,
protesting
activity
from
taking
place
after
8
p.m.
nightly
on
June
6.
F
This
was
lifted
following
these
events,
the
city,
as
well
as
APD,
received
numerous
complaints
about
the
response
to
the
protests
and
thereafter
see
council
unanimously,
directed
that
an
investigation
take
place
to
analyze
the
police
response
to
the
protest
during
these
last
few
days.
Next
slide,
please
further.
The
council's
direction.
Ayuh
city
attorney,
will
be
managing
this
process
from
start
to
finish,
and
it
will
take
place
in
two
consecutive
phases.
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
today
about
what
those
two
phases
are
where
we
stand
today
and
what
our
next
steps
are
in
the
near
future.
F
I'll
also
go
over
what
the
cumulative
total
final
response
will
look
like
to
the
council
and
the
public.
So,
first
and
foremost,
let
me
explain
the
two
phases.
First
and
foremost,
there
is
the
primary
investigation,
which
will
be
an
assessment
of
the
police
response
conducted
by
an
independent
third
party,
with
expertise
in
policing
activities
and
conduct,
secondarily,
but
contemporaneous
to
that
first
investigation.
There
will
be
a
second
review
conducted
by
me
personally,
which
will
conduct
interviews
of
several
city
staff
as
well
as
elected
officials.
F
This
will
take
place,
simultaneous,
as
I
said,
to
the
first
investigation
and
we'll
cover
the
operational
decision-making
process
regarding
several
of
the
aspects
of
the
protest
response,
which
I'll
talk
about
more
in
just
a
moment.
First,
let
me
say
that
both
of
these
response
excuse
me
both
of
these
processes
have
already
begun.
So
let
me
tell
you
where
we
stand
today.
Next
slide,
please
regarding
phase
1,
this
is
the
larger,
independent
third-party
investigation.
Now
we
have
already
over
the
past
week
and
a
half
vetted
several
options
for
a
potential
firm
to
take
on
this
task.
F
A
front-runner
has
emerged,
and
we
are
very,
very
close
to
finalizing
a
recommendation
for
the
City
Council
I'm
personally
in
the
last
week,
interviewed
with
this
firm,
as
well
as
their
entire
team.
That
would
be
on
the
streets
here
in
Nashville
conducting
the
analysis.
It
is
our
plan
to
finalize
this
recommendation
in
the
coming
days
and
to
present
this
proposal
to
the
City
Council
at
your
next
meeting
on
July.
The
14th
City
Council
will
then
have
the
ability
to
make
the
final
call
about
selecting
this
firm
or
not.
F
Now,
regarding
phase
2,
we
have
already
outlined
over
the
past
few
days
the
scope
of
this
analysis
and
a
timeline.
We
have
now
scheduled
all
of
the
initial
interviews
which
will
start
to
take
place
next
week.
It
is
our
intention
to
finalize
all
of
these
interviews
within
two
weeks
and
be
able
to
provide
to
this
committee
or
to
Council
or
both
a
final
written
report
of
the
phase
two
analysis
by
the
end
of
July.
F
Now
it
is
our
objective
with
regard
to
both
of
these
simultaneous
phases
that
this
be
done
in
an
independent
manner
and
by
independent
I
mean
this
will
be
conducted
by
my
office
and
this
independent
third
party
outside
of
APD.
It
will
be
done
in
a
competent,
thorough
manner,
with
the
intention
of
providing
the
results
in
an
unbiased
and
fully
transparent
manner
to
the
council
and
the
public
next
slide.
Please.
F
These
include
the
use
of
riot
gear,
the
use
of
tear
gas
throughout
the
city
and
specifically
on
the
Jeff
Bowen
bridge
on
the
first
night
of
the
protests,
the
use
of
pepper
balls
as
well
as
other
projectile
ordnance,
any
other
use
of
force
tactics,
the
destruction
of
supplies
at
the
medic
tent,
as
well
as
the
request
for
outside
agency
support
and
the
National
Guard.
Next
slide.
F
Please,
in
addition
to
this,
we
will
insist
upon
a
robust
public
engagement
process
as
part
of
this
assessment
that
will
provide
the
public
and
members
of
the
public
who
interacted
with
APD
during
the
protest
to
also
speak
directly
with
the
assessor's,
as
well
as
anyone
from
the
public
who
feels
that
they
have
additional
information.
That
would
provide
a
complete,
thorough
and
holistic
picture
of
the
police
response.
F
Finally,
we
will
ask
that,
at
the
end
of
this
process,
that
the
firm
selected
will
prepare
a
fully
transparent
report
that
will
affect
their
opinions
and
based
upon
their
expertise,
provide
an
assessment
to
the
City
Council
at
a
public
City
Council
meeting
that
can
be
fully
transparent
to
the
members
of
our
community,
based
upon
the
discussions
I've
had
with
the
firms
in
contention.
Currently,
it's
our
belief
that
this
process
once
started
will
take
approximately
two
to
three
months
for
that
report
to
be
in
front
of
City
Council
for
a
final
review.
Next
slide.
F
Now,
although
we
will
be
focusing
on
a
variety
of
issues,
I
want
to
make
very
clear
that
we
will
be
delving
into
several
specific
areas
that
overlap
some
of
the
subject
matter
in
the
phase
1
investigation.
These
include
utilization
of
riot
gear,
the
request
for
other
agency
assistance,
as
well
as
the
National
Guard,
the
use
of
tear
gas
and
other
projectiles
any
other
use
of
force
and
the
activities
regarding
the
destruction
of
medic
tents
supplies
next
slide.
Please,
members
of
the
committee.
F
It
is
our
intention
that
if
we
continue
to
proceed
as
planned,
our
hope
is
to
stay
roughly
on
the
schedule
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
following
today's
meeting.
We
hope
that
by
the
City
Council
meeting
on
July
14th,
we
will
have
a
fully
vetted
firm
recommendation
to
present
to
the
council
for
your
consideration.
F
During
that
same
time,
we
will
be
completing
the
interviews
for
our
phase
2
portion
of
the
investigation
and
by
mid-july
that
should
be
prepared
for
a
written
report
which
should
then
be
presented
to
either
this
committee,
the
council,
or
both
for
the
phase
2
report
by
the
end
of
July.
Now
we
are
estimating
somewhat,
but
we
believe
based
upon
what
we
know
at
this
point,
that
the
final
phase,
1
third
party
report
and
assessment
should
be
prepared
by
fall
of
this
year.
F
C
F
F
Who
should
have
input
into
that.
Our
goal
is
to
have
a
comprehensive
analysis
with
objective
findings
to
provide
the
discounsel
in
conjunction
with
the
phase
two
portion
of
this.
We
hope
the
council
will
have
all
the
information
that
it
needs
if
at
any
point,
counsel
feels
as
if
additional
steps
need
to
be
taken.
My
office
will
undertake
those.
D
F
You
for
that
question.
Vice
mayor
I
will
say
that
the
discussions
I
have
had
with
our
currently
proposed
firm,
have
included
discussions
regarding
the
potential
not
just
to
assess,
but
to
provide
recommendations
going
forward.
This
particular
firm,
which
I
believe
currently
sits
at
thee
as
the
front-runner
for
the
recommendation
not
only
specializes
in
doing
these
analyses,
but
also
in
providing
advice,
recommendation
and
a
strategic
outline
for
advancing,
especially
based
upon
community
policing
theories
police
agencies
throughout
the
country.
F
Some
of
the
firm's
that
we
have
spoken
to
have
advised
police
agencies
throughout
the
country,
and
that
is
one
of
their
primary
roles,
not
necessarily
an
after-action
report
style,
but
simply
there
to
assist
to
give
advice
based
upon
the
latest
trends
best.
This
is,
and
they
have
been
in
some
what
I
would
call
very
hot
cities
very
difficult
situations,
situations
which,
without
disclosing
any
particulars,
were
national
news,
and
they
have
advised
on
these
things
and
the
approach
that
they
take
has
been
so
successful.
F
G
G
But
is
it
very
important
to
me
in
my
constituents
that
there
is
no
there's
a
slightest
hint
of
conflict
of
interest
here,
so
the
direction
that
you
have
provided
in
a
timeline
that
you
have
provided?
Is
it's
perfect
as
of
now,
of
course,
I
trust
you
in
his
role
in
and
I
want
to
make
it
plain
very
plain
that
when
we
gave
you
charge
of
this
investigation,
we
also
wanted
to
make
it
known
that
your
investigation
will
not
supersede
this
committees
inquiry.
G
It
would
not
limit
our
scope
of
questioning
or
prohibit
us
in
bringing
people
to
testify
concerning
this
matter.
So
with
that
being
said,
we
did
submit
some
questions
ahead
of
time
and
a
lot
of
those
questions
have
been
answered,
but
a
few
of
them
have
not
been
answered
fully
around
deployment
of
tear
gas
and
specifically
use
of
force.
Can
you
please
explain
to
me
what
part
of
stock
state
law
if
there
you
know
applies
to
this,
will
restrict
us
and
prohibit
us
from
having
those
questions
answered?
F
Thank
you,
committee
members,
Smith
I,
appreciate
the
question
and
I
do
appreciate
the
confidence
in
the
City
Council
on
this
matter.
We
take
this
seriously
as
part
of
our
job
and
we
will
do
everything
we
can
to
honor
that
confidence
that
you've
shown
in
us.
It
is
our
goal
to
assist
this
committee
in
its
ability
to
function
independently
of
this
process
and
whatever
steps
it
feels
as
if
it
needs
to
do
to
supplement
that
process.
My
office
will
be
there
to
assist
to
advise
on
your
efforts
as
well.
F
That
is
extraordinarily
important
to
us
that
this
committee
and
City
Council
as
a
whole
is
recognized
as
the
leader
in
this
operation.
The
council
has
taken
it
on
as
the
driving
force
behind
this
and
my
office
with
me
personally,
at
the
lead
of
that
will
serve
as
your
instrument
in
doing
this
process.
The
way
the
council
believes
it
needs
to
be
done
for
the
community
and
to
satisfy
councils
desire
to
see
this
thing
vetted
properly.
F
With
regard
to
your
question,
more
specifically,
Councilwoman
Smith
I
would
say
that
we
could
talk
a
lot
about
the
legal
limitations.
There
are
some
primarily
and
I'm
going
to
speak
generally
about
this.
First,
there
are
personnel
confidentiality
laws
that
apply
to
various
aspects
of
someone's
personnel
file.
Some
information
is
a
public
record,
but
we
are
prohibited
from
releasing
other
information.
Now
there
are
exceptions
to
those
things.
There
are
some
specific
laws
that
apply
directly
to
sworn
law
enforcement
officers.
F
So
some
of
your
question
I
can
best
answer
at
this
point
by
saying
talking
about
specific
officers,
we're
going
to
be
much
more
limited
by
state
law
in
what
we
are
allowed
to
produce
publicly,
but,
generally
speaking,
when
we're
talking,
let
me
give
an
example.
If
we
were
to,
as
this
committee
requests
that
produced
the
total
number
of
arrests
made
the
total
number
of
officers
involved.
This
does
not
have
that
sort
of
individualized
information.
F
That,
although
still
important,
is
something
that
we
can
provide
outside
of
those
personnel
law,
restrictions
and
I
believe
would
certainly
be
part
of
the
analysis
and
evaluation
efforts
both
from
my
office,
as
well
as
from
the
third-party
investigations.
So
there
will
be
some
limitations
there,
but
on
a
generalize
context,
much
less
so
now.
I
will
also
say
that,
as
I
mentioned
during
my
presentation,
it
is
our
intent
to
make
sure
that
the
investigative
firm
has
all
the
information
that
it
needs
and
we
believe
that
would
likely
include
recordings,
such
as
body
cam
or
vehicle
cameras.
F
It
is
our
intention,
if
so
requested
by
that
firm
to
assist
them
in
the
process
to
obtain
the
necessary
court
approval
to
allow
that
firm
to
see
those
videos.
Now,
as
we
go
through
that
process,
we
will
continue,
hopefully
to
be
nimble
with
the
request
to
assist
to
them,
but,
as
I
said
also
to
assist
your
committee
and
what
needs
to
be
done,
the
only
other
limitation
I
would
have
is
that
we
are
trying
to
work
on
what
we
consider
to
be
a
very
aggressive
but
very
doable
schedule.
F
We
recognize
fully
that
the
public
wants
to
hear
these
things
now
that
it's
important
for
the
confidence
of
the
public,
that
they
understand
that
we
review
ourselves
and
that
we
maintain
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
the
public's
ability
to
trust
what
we
do,
and
in
doing
that.
We
hope
that
this
will
be
conducted
quickly,
but
not
so
fast
as
the
sacrifice.
F
So
we
believe
what
attorneys
often
say
is
we
don't
want
our
witnesses
tainted?
We
want
to
hear
the
truth
from
them
and
we
really
want
to
engage
in
them
in
an
unbiased
fashion.
So
we
will
reserve
our
final
reports
unless
otherwise
directed
by
this
committee
or
counsel
until
we're
completed
until
we
have
done
it
in
a
complete,
thorough
holistic
manner.
But
hopefully
we'll
do
that
as
expeditiously
as
possible,
because
we
believe
that's
what
has
been
requested
of
us.
F
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
think
it's
another
excellent
one.
The
short
answer
is
that
that
is
absolutely
a
legal
possibility.
There
are
again
some
steps
that
we
have
to
get
through,
so
I
can't
guarantee
it
until
a
judge
tells
me
that
I
could,
but
if
council
so
directed
and
felt
the
need
that
that
was
part
of
your
own
evaluation
process.
As
this
committee
or
as
the
full
council
my
office
would
go
through
the
process
of
providing
you
all
the
legal
advice
necessary
to
make
that
decision
and
then
pursue
that,
if
necessary,.
C
H
I
Good
afternoon,
mr.
chairman
members
of
City
Council
city
manager,
Campbell
I've,
been
requested
here
today
on
two
specific
agenda
items,
but
also
received
a
separate
email,
a
series
of
questions
from
the
committee
regarding
the
protests
occurring
between
May
31st
and
June
6
in
relation
to
agenda
item
number
1,
and
that
is
the
information
on
APD
military
supply,
inventory
and
surplus.
I
What
I've
done
is
forwarded
committee
members,
APD's,
complete
current
inventory
of
all
weapons
and
munitions.
That's
what
we
currently
have
in
stock.
What
I
can
report
is
in
relation
to
the
1033
program
that
is
administered
by
the
US
law
enforcement
support
office.
That
APD
does
not
participate
in
that
program.
I've
been
informed
in
years
past
many
many
years,
PS
they
they
had.
I
But
it's
been
quite
some
time
since
there
was
any
level
of
participation
in
the
1033
program
and
I
can
report
that
we
have
no
intentions
in
the
future
to
acquire
any
military
surplus
and
from
the
federal
government
regarding
agenda
item
number
two,
which
is
an
update
on
more
or
less
where
we've
made
progress
and
the
initiatives
we
have
moving
forward.
Chief.
C
C
I
G
Just
want
to
interject,
because
I
have
a
question
along
that
same
line.
I
know
we
do
have
the
ability,
we
might
not
have
things
in
our
stockpile,
but
we
do
have
the
ability
to
procure
from
other
cities,
and
so
I
wanted
to
know
during
this
instance,
if
we
procure
any
special
equipment
from
any
other
cities.
In
order
for
this
for
this
demonstration,
we.
I
I
So
weeks,
back,
I
was
asked
to
report
to
Council
with
a
30-60-90
plan.
I
can
answer
specific
questions
regarding
that
presentation,
if
you'd
like,
but
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that
that
plan
for
APD
was
really
being
developed
well
prior
to
the
June
protests.
You
know
we
began
pretty
much
as
soon
as
I
arrived
here
in
Asheville.
I'd
also
like
to
make
clear
that
this
this
plan
for
improvement,
it's
a
plan
for
continuous
improvement
and
it's
not
something
that's
going
to
end
at
90
days.
I
This
will
be
continuous
improvement
over
time,
not
only
to
build
on
existing
programs,
but
also
to
engage
the
community
and
get
their
input
in
determining
how
we
reimagine
police
service
collaboratively
with
our
community
partners
here
in
Asheville.
Do
you
have
any
questions
on
that
30-60-90
plan
I'm
prepared
to
answer
anything
that
you
have
or
concerns,
or
more
clarification,
I
just.
C
I
No
there's
been
no
staffing
arrangements
made
at
this
time.
It
is
something
that
I
did
present
to
Council,
that
organizational
chart,
which
would
include
the
creation
of
a
new
division
devoted
completely
to
Community
Engagement.
No
staffing
has
taken
place
if
I'm
in
as
long
as
there's
no
additional
concerns
with
the
creation
of
that
division.
We
milk,
we
will
move
forward.
I
And
and
may
I
say
what
I,
what
I'd
like
to
put
forth
to
clarify
the
creation
of
that
division?
It's
its
sole
purpose
is
to
have
the
ear
to
actually
implement
and
hear
the
concerns
of
the
community.
It's
really
the
Achilles
heel
of
this
organization
right
now
that
there
is
no
infrastructure
whatsoever,
formal
infrastructure
to
hear
from
the
community
and
to
have
them
have
their
involvement
at
all
levels
of
the
organization.
I
I
I
I
Question
number
one
was
in
relation
to
the
discharge
of
tear
gas
on
the
crowd
of
protesters
gathered
on
the
Jeff
bond
bridge.
I
did
issue
a
separate,
have
a
separate
press
conference
on
that
and
the
information
that
I
provided
at
that
time.
I
could
I
have
provided
each
member
of
committee
a
copy
of
that
press
briefing
if
you'd
like
I
could
just
read
the
whole
thing
right
back
into
the
record,
or
you
can
just
refer
back
to
the
information
that
I
have
forwarded
to
you.
C
Chief
I,
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
and
the
only
part
that
that
was
sort
of
unclear
to
me
was
the
paragraph.
Where
discussed
the
protesters
moving
on,
it
didn't
actually
seem
to
have
them
moving
on
to
the
Bowen
bridge
and
it
it
stated
that
they
were
police,
set
up
a
bicycle
buck
aid
at
the
corner
of
Patton
and
Clayman,
but
it
didn't
really
make
it
clear
as
how
they'd
still
be
made
it
all
the
way
onto
the
pad
Jeff
Bowen
bridge.
Yes,.
I
From
from
when
I
gave
in
that
press
conference
at
that
time
is
that
that
bike
barricade,
if
you
want
to
call
it
that
was
set
up
and
that
was
physically
broken
through
where
contact
was
actually
made
with
the
officers
prior
to
gaining
access
to
the
bridge.
So
we
did
try
to
set
up
a
soft
line
to
move
the
protesters
in
a
different
direction
that
was
defeated
physically
and
which
led
to
you
know
the
events
that
occurred
thereafter.
I.
G
Have
some
questions
about
what
happened
on
a
jet
Bowen
bridge
in
reading
a
lot
of
information
about
the
tactical
use
of
tear
gas,
not
to
say
that
I
agree
with
the
use,
but
because
we
did
use
it.
I
have
some
questions
on
that
line.
It
said
verbatim
that
you
need
to
be
very
cautious
of
the
prison
of
women
and
children,
and
this
may.
This
must
be
considered
before
any
launch
and
from
what
I
observed
on
a
live
footage
of
Facebook
live
footage.
There
were
a
number
of
children
on
the
bridge
at
that
time.
G
The
information
that
I
read
also
said
that
before
before
I'm
using
and
launching
tear
gas,
it
is
the
onus
of
the
officer
to
make
sure
that
there
are
clear
exit
routes
left
for
the
crowd
to
disperse
and
when
I'm
getting
first-hand
information
from
individuals
on
that
bridge.
It
makes
me
believe
that,
as
they
were
approaching,
they're
approaching
your
line
as
men
that
tear
gas
was
let
off
into
the
crowd,
but
also
behind
the
crowd.
So
they
were,
they
were
prevented,
it
kind
of
presented
their
it
restricted
their
movement,
so
they
could
not
go
back.
G
They
were
stuck
there
and
immersed
in
a
lot
of
tear
gas
so
and
also
that
every
went
before
you
launch
tear
gas.
It
is
preceded
by
a
very
clear
warning,
so
I
see
all
three
of
those
things
being
compromised
a
lot
in
this
situation.
Would
you
like
to
give
a
response
to
interact
to
what
I
just
said
sure.
I
I
Following
that
event,
you
know
I
did
say
you
know
that
information
that
I
was
providing
at
that
time
may
change,
because
we're
waiting
on
a
more
in-depth
investigation,
I
was
informed
that
warnings
were
given.
I
was
informed
that
an
exit
route
off
the
exit
ramp
was
provided
and
in
relation
to
the
concern
of
children
being
exposed
to
tear
gas.
There
was
also
a
concern
because
of
what
happened
up
on
the
interstate
and
55
mile
an
hour
traffic
were
for
private
or
for
citizen
or
three
citizens
of
one
police
officer
were
hit
by
a
moving
vehicle.
I
There
was
concerns
of
protesters,
possibly
trying
to
reiax
s
the
interstate,
where
we
could
have
seen
far
greater
tragedy.
So
all
those
concerns
went
into
the
decision
to
deploy
tear
gas
on
the
Bowen
bridge,
but
again,
a
deeper
dive
will
reveal
it
more
information
that
I'm
just
not
prepared
to
that
I
can't
say
with
100%
certainty.
At
this
time,
but
I'm
certain,
it
will
all
be
made
available
and
will
come
out.
I
The
next
question
is
what
we're
officers
instructed
leading
up
to
the
protests
concerning
the
discharging
of
tear
gas,
rubber
bullets
or
other
weaponry.
Were
they
to
wait
for
orders
from
a
superior
officer?
Were
they
allowed
to
use
their
own
discretion
based
on
what
they
see
happening
on
the
ground?
Was
there
a
criteria
for
them
to
follow,
outlining
what
actions
would
give
rise
to
the
use
of
force
and
did
instructions
differ
pertaining
to
specific
weapons?
I
There's
a
lot
there
that
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
the
answer:
to
orders
and
instructions.
They
vary
throughout
the
event
as
intelligence
is
received
throughout.
There
are
certain
questions
that
or
certain
directives
that
came
out
in
pre-planning,
as
as
the
incident
changed
and
evolved,
there's
decisions
that
are
made
in
the
field
there's
a
combination
of
all
of
the
above
and
I
think
at
this
time.
I
C
I
I'm
sorry
I
interrupted
I
apologize
I
was
through
good,
go,
certainly
the
deployment
of
our
crowd
control
team,
which
consists
of
our
mobile
field
force
and
our
bicycle
response
team
and
having
them
available
to
be
deployed
if
necessary.
There
is
no
question
that
that
decision
was
approved
by
myself.
I
G
She
said
before
you
leave
I
just
have
a
few
questions
for
you,
and
these
are
pretty
much
kind
of
in
the
alignment
with
policy
used
during
during
the
protests.
We
know
that
the
state
of
emergency
was
declared
by
the
mayor,
so
did
do
you
believe
that
measures
taken
by
your
police
force
in
regards
to
the
demonstration
rose
to
the
level
of
a
critical
incident
response?
G
G
So,
since
that
is
the
case,
I'm
wondering
if
you
could,
please
explain
to
me
how
de-escalation
and
use
of
force
policies
and
protocols
operate
with
the
mass
gathering,
we
kind
of
have
an
idea
of
how
it
works,
engaging
individuals,
but
but
not
with
the
mass
gathering
like
because
there's
certain
reporting
reports
and
and
attending
to
injuries
that
need
to
take
place
in
order
for
that
policy
to
be
completely
fulfilled
and
abided
by.
That
is.
I
I
was
involved
in
many
of
those
conversations
with
protesters,
as
were
members
of
our
team,
and
you
would
have
saw
in
several
occasions
where
I,
myself
and
members
of
our
crowd
control
team
in
full
riot
gear
knelt
in
solidarity
with
protesters
in
an
attempt
to
de-escalate
which
worked
extremely
well
for
us
on
the
the
first
night
of
protest.
The
second
night
of
protest
was
a
completely
different
situation,
where
it's
tough
to
de-escalate
with
bottles,
rocks
and
explosives
being
thrown
in
your
direction
to
effectively
de-escalate
that
situation.
But.
G
I
G
I
Would
normally
take
the
form
of
an
after-action
report
prepared
by
us,
so
those
after-action?
Why
again?
Because
of
the
concerns
we
have,
and
we
know
that
the
community
concerns
you
know
we're
prepared,
you
know
we
will
testify
and
provide
information
on
all
of
the
actions
taken.
There
are
records
you
know
of
radio
lodge
and
again
going
through
body.
Worn
camera
footage
things
of
that
nature.
Normally
we
would
be
conducting
that
ourselves,
but
on
such
a
wide
scale
event
with
thousands
of
hours
of
body-worn
camera
footage
for
us
to
go
through.
I
G
I
J
C
Have
some
additional
questions
or
just
a
couple
of
additional
questions?
Please,
chief
one
are
our
APD
officers
trained
in
a
crowd,
control
tactics
known
as
Ted
Lee?
Was
that
tactic
employed
by
APD
during
the
protests
that
began
on
Sunday
May
31st,
and
are
you
aware
of
the
controversy
surrounding
the
use
of
this
tactic?.
C
It's
being
widely
discussed
on
the
Internet
as
being
used
by
police
forces
throughout
the
nation
during
these
protests
and
it's
a
it's
a
form
of
corralling
folks
into
areas
I
think,
but
it's
being
referred
to
as
kattiline
okay
you're
talking
okay,
similar
well,
it
would
be
similar.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
exactly
the
same,
but
so
so
my
question
is:
are
APD
officers
trained
in
that
and
that
tactic
and
did
we
use
that
tactic
now?.
I
Officers
are
trained
or
crowd
control
teams
are
trained
to
always
make
sure
that
an
outlet
is
available
and
to
not
box
in
during
large
demonstrations
that
there
always
has
to
be
an
avenue
to
escape
and
to
move
to.
Of
course,
we
try
to
control
that
movement
as
best
as
possible,
but
it's
clearly
can
be
hampered.
You
know,
depending
on
the
activity
of
the
large-scale
event,.
C
Okay,
my
second
question
is:
we
have
received
many
complaints
concerned
concerning
openly
armed
individuals
attending
the
protest
and
the
lack
of
response
from
APD
officers
to
deal
with
these
individuals.
Now
that
the
city
attorney
has
laid
out
violations
that
have
occurred
as
APD
revised.
Their
position
in
dealing
with
this
matter
are.
I
Mr.
Hains,
that
is
a
very
delicate
matter
when
we
are
dealing.
We
know
we
know
from
the
arrests
made
during
the
the
first
nights
of
protests
and
the
protests
just
this
past
evening,
where
the
there
was
painting
in
the
street
next
to
the
municipal
building
that
there
were
a
lot
of
weapons
there
from
protesters
and
counter
protesters
alike,
with
a
very
limited
number
of
officers
on
scene
and
our
officers
are
doing
their
very
best
to
de-escalate
those
situations.
I
And
you
must
remember,
too,
that
we
are
extremely
outnumbered
in
a
lot
of
these
situations
and
with
guns,
open,
carry
and
also
concealed.
We
know
there's
both
present
at
the
time.
More
often
than
not
as
an
event
is
emerging.
You
know
we
just
want
people
to
not
start
shooting
and
to
protect
the
public
and
to
protect
the
protesters
themselves.
I
We
can
always
go
back
later
and
try
and
identify
and
lay
charges,
but
the
immediate
concern
is
to
not
have
gunfire
open
out
on
both
sides
and
it's
a
very
delicate
balancing
act
on
when
to
when
to
effect
an
arrest.
Also
when
we're
outnumbered
to
effect
an
arrest.
Now
we
lose
those
resources
and
the
numbers
against
us
become
even
larger.
So
it's
a
very
difficult
predicament
to
be
in
to
try
to
de-escalate
when
we
have
many
armed
people
in
a
crowd
actively
going
at
one
another.
I
The
third
question
I
was
asked
was:
how
was
the
decision
authorizing
what
weapons
would
be
carrying
made
and
who
was
involved
in
that
decision?
What
I
can
tell
you,
as
we
have
standard
operating
procedures
when
special
specialty
units
are
activated
and
the
equipment
is
outlined,
what
they
carry
when
they
are
activated,
so
they
are
specialty.
Units
are
equipped
with
specific
tactical
equipment
that
they
are
trained
to
use.
I
So
we
don't,
you
know
once
they're
activated,
they
come
in
basically
with
the
equipment
that
they're
outfitted
with
and
then
its
use
will
be
determined
by
the
commander's
in
the
field.
So
our,
for
example,
our
mobile
force
mobile
field
force,
they
are
equipped
with
teargas
and
they
take
that
into
the
field
with
them.
If
it
becomes
necessary
to
use
they
are
trained
in
its
use
in
its
appointment.
I
Question
number
four
was:
we
would
like
a
complete
list
of
weapons,
apd
discharged
throughout
the
protests,
along
with
data
showing
the
number
of
tear
gas
canisters
used.
This
is
one
of
those
questions.
We
need
additional
time
to
gather
the
information
from
what
was
in
our
previous
inventory
and
what
we
now
have
and
again
I
think
that
question
will
be
answered
by
the
independent
investigator.
I
As
to
the
number
of
rest
and
charges
brought
down
and
the
type
of
charges
I
have
submitted
that
to
committee
members
in
an
email,
I
can
tell
you
that
57
individuals
were
arrested
with
a
total
of
84
charges
related
to
the
protest
between
May
31st
in
June.
4Th
I
can
also
report
that
two
individuals
that
were
arrested
were
in
possession
of
concealed
firearms.
G
And
that
how
is
that
different
than
in
that
massive
gathering
than
the
gathering
we
saw
the
other
night
where
we
saw
individuals
who
were
violating
the
ordinance
to
have
guns
in
a
public
park
and
I'm
trying
to
I
guess
you
know,
constituents
will
say
and
I
say
that
that
is
an
inequity
in
arrests.
What.
G
I
Our
feeling
is,
they
were
the
question
was:
do
you
try
to
affect
the
arrest
at
that
time
and
potentially
escalate
the
situation,
and
do
we
have
adequate
numbers
to
affect
those
arrests?
So
that
was
the
decision
made
by
the
commanders
in
the
field
at
the
time
that
that
particular
moment
in
time
was
not
a
good
time
to
try
to
effect
arrests.
We
would
have
basically
lost
our
ability
to
effectively
control
what
was
happening
and
it
was
thought
better.
I
D
I
Okay,
there's
no
further
questions.
Moving
on
to
question
six:
have
we
received
complaints
against
officers
for
excessive
use
of
force
during
protests?
What
is
the
status
of
those
complaints
in
the
process
for
handling
those
complaints?
We
have
received
no
formal
complaints
from
a
single
individual
reporting,
excessive
use
of
force
on
them
during
the
protests.
What
we
are
doing,
however,
is
we
are
reviewing
footage
of
the
actual
arrests
that
were
made
to
see
if
any
excessive
force
was
being
used
in
the
effect
of
those
arrests,
but
we
have
received
no
formal
complaints.
I
In
relation
to
warnings
that
were
issued
before
tear
gas
and
other
tactics
that
were
used
again,
APD
policy
dictates
that
warnings
must
be
given
before
the
deployment
of
force.
And
again,
the
independent
investigator
will
be
will
determine
if
policy
was
followed
and
warnings
were
provided
before
the
use
of
tear
gas.
I
I
I
Most
severe
injury
that
I
have
been
made
aware
of
involved
a
protester
who
was
hit
over
the
head
with
a
steel
frying
pan
that
frying
pan
was
intended
for
one
of
our
officers
and
just
missed
striking
the
officer
in
the
follow-through
hit
the
protester
and
it's
my
understanding
that
that
individual
is
still
at
the
hospital
with
a
skull.
Fracture
I
can
also
report
that,
after
that,
individual
was
hit,
aid
was
rendered
by
APD.
I
G
I
C
B
K
Hello,
my
name
is
Ben
Spencer
I
live
in
South
Asheville
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
few
comments
here.
There
was
a
recent
study
released
by
the
University
of
Chicago
that
showed
the
twenty
largest
police
city's
police
departments.
Don't
meet
the
basic
UN
principles
of
the
use
of
force
and
Firearms
by
law
enforcement
officials
to
which
the
United
States
is
a
signatory,
I'm
really
curious.
Does
the
Asheville
Police
Department
internal
policy
meet
these
basic
principles
of
use
of
force
of
firearms?
That's
something
that
I
would
like
to
see.
K
That
should
be
a
high
priority
in
order
to
help
people
deescalate
their
own
conflict.
So
now
I
know
police
exact
mentioned
that
the
officers
at
the
protest
on
the
previous
Sunday
we're
doing
their
best
to
deescalate
things
when
I
witnessed
after
viewing
several
different
videos,
and
livestreams
of
that
was
that
more
of
that
de-escalation
was
occurring
from
members
of
the
community
there.
So
I'm
a
bit
curious
as
to
what
exactly
he
is
referring
to
with
that.
K
I
would
again
like
to
express
my
support
for
defunding
the
Asheville
Police
Department
by
a
50
percent
and
re
refunding
other
sorry
allocating
those
funds
into
other
important
areas
in
the
community
in
order
to
encourage
and
support
safety
and
opportunity
for
all
citizens
of
Asheville
I
believe
this
is
going
to
be
additionally
important
as
we
continue
to
see
the
effects
of
kovat
19,
as
we
continue
to
climb
in
cases
as
a
state.
It's
important
that
those
resources
are
going
directly
to
the
community
and
not
through
a
department.
K
I
would
audition
would
like
to
see
the
public
engagement
wings
that
Police
Chief
Zack
was
talking
about
be
separated
completely
from
the
police
department.
I
think
it's
important
that
if
you
are
seeking
legitimate
comment,
that
it
goes
through
an
independent
agency
or
wing
in
order
that
it
can
be
expressed
without
fear
of
reprisal.
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
all
I
had
to
say
thank.
C
L
Hi
this
is
Grace
Martinez
calling
again
at
this
point
in
time.
It's
become
abundantly
clear
to
this
committee
and
to
the
council
the
hole
that
our
community
is
demanding,
that
the
police
be
defunded
and
that
the
Asheville
Police,
Department
and
Chiefs
act
be
held
accountable
for
their
disabled
actions,
opposed
to
protests
and
within
the
department
as
a
whole,
with
their
discriminatory
racist
practices.
It's
also
clear
that
the
Asheville
Police
Department
is
showing
blatant
disregard
for
the
actions
of
KKK
members,
white,
supremacists
and
white
nationalists.
L
Furthermore,
the
council's
the
city
manager
and
their
Mannheimer
have
now
become
complicit
and
the
favor
being
shown
to
these
date
groups
through
an
action
as
it
pertains
to
the
ongoing
danger
that
these
hate
groups
pose.
We
are
in
a
state
of
emergency
and
our
entire
community
is
at
risk,
as
these
radical
extremists
are
given
every
opportunity
to
move
forward
with
their
intimidation
and
threats.
I
used
to
believe
that
our
government
has
systems
in
place
to
prevent,
or
at
least
respond
to
these
kind
of
atrocities
in
the
past
month.
L
I
have
gotten
a
crash
course
in
how
our
city
government
works.
I've
been
shocked
to
learn
that
there,
seemingly
no
one
at
the
rain
willing
to
take
control
when
it
comes
to
our
local
police
force,
which
is
armed
and
dangerous,
with
weapons
used
routinely
against
our
citizens
and
who
have
the
power
to
enslave
people
through
incarceration.
The
DIMM
pact
has
fallen
most
harshly
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
targeted
with
at
the
black
community.
It
is
unconscionable
to
me
at
this
point
that
David
duck
still
has
a
job.
L
His
answers
to
the
questions
he
faced
today,
further
demonstrating
his
complete
and
aptitude
and
an
ability
to
do
his
job
in
providing
Public
Safety,
and
he
is
responsible
for
the
massive
public
harm
and
injury
to
our
people.
I
recognize
that
Asheville
has
been
through
quite
a
few
corruption
on
the
ethical
police
chiefs,
but
isn't
the
answer
to
that
right
there
and
the
question:
why
are
we
hiring
people
who
come
from
police
backup
to
be
in
charge
of
apartment?
L
That
is
clearly
deeply
ingrained
in
discriminatory
practices
that
uphold
white
supremacy
through
brute
force,
as
it
was
designed
to
do.
We
need
to
look
outside
of
the
existing
system
to
repair
our
replacement
of
chief
staff.
We
need
to
find
a
non
cop
candidate
who
is
prepared
to
eliminate
every
member
of
the
Asheville
Police
Department,
who
is
found
to
use
discriminatory
arrest
practices
and
uses
unnecessary
force.
Every
officer
who
shot
our
citizens
at
point-blank
range
who
destroyed
our
medical
supplies.
L
You
stood
by
eight
group
members
threatened
citizens
with
semi-automatic
weapons
and
who
have
a
history
of
disparate
arrest,
and
harassment
of
black
and
brown
citizens
should
be
fired
immediately
by
this
new
chief.
The
new
chief
should
be
a
person
who
has
focused
on
replacing
officers
with
qualified
professionals
who
are
not
police
to
handle
community
issues
of
homelessness,
substance
use
disorder,
domestic
violence
and
mental
health
issues
which
plague
our
community.
This
new
chief
should
also
immediately
remove
all
stockpiles
of
military-grade
weapons.
L
I
appreciate
the
thought
to
have
an
investigation
into
the
conduct
of
the
police
during
these
protests,
but
you
have
hours
of
public
comment
at
this
point
that
showed
the
testimony
of
the
wildly
unprofessional
and
dangerous
behavior
of
the
department.
We
do
not
have
time
to
wait.
The
danger
is
immediate.
Are
you
waiting
for
someone
in
our
community
to
be
killed?
Buddy
take
groups
before
you
make
your
next
move.
Are
you
waiting
two
more
weeks
before
another
meeting?
We
do
not.
M
L
Back
is
not
removed
by
the
city
manager.
She
should
lose
her
job
in
New.
York.
Faced
with
someone
will
take
immediate
action
that
is
needed
to
protect
our
community.
In
this
crucial
moment,
Shaniqua
and
Brian
I
have
immense
respect
for
both
of
you.
Please
use
your
power
and
influence
and
have
the
courage
that
this
moment
requires
and
I'm
personally
prepared
to
support
you
in
any
way
that
I
can.
A
B
O
P
Day
plan
is
incremental
and
it
requires
more
funding
and
that's
not
what
the
community
is
asking
for
with
them.
What
demands
that
the
community
is
asking
for?
Is
the
police
department
doing
or
because
at
this
point
we've
been,
the
protesters
have
been
hit
by
flashbang,
canisters,
pepper,
balls,
rubber
bullets
and
that's
on
peaceful
protesters.
Of
course,
there
was
a
few
people
throughout
that
protest
who
were
not,
but
they
were
not
removed
by
the
police.
The
police
did
not
stand
with
the
citizens
of
this
town.
P
You
stood
against
us
and
riot
gear,
while
two
weeks
later,
they
will
stand
in
conversation
with
smiles
on
their
face.
Talking
to
known
KKK
members
would
excuse
me
with
guns,
and
you
expect
we're
we're
supposed
to
trust
the
police
in
this
city,
we're
supposed
to
trust
them,
how
we
trust
the
people
who
are
supposed
to
protect
us
when
you
will
shoot
up
at
point-blank
range
and
I
already
didn't
trust
the
police
before
this
and
I
come
from
a
family
of
law
enforcement,
but
I
assure
you
I
will
not
be
calling
the
police
any
longer.
H
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
Nettie
Fisher
I'm,
a
resident
and
native
of
Asheville
I,
first
wanted
to
say,
I
really
appreciate,
especially
councilman
Smith
and
councilman
Haynes,
for
asking
the
tough
questions,
and
it's
really
refreshing
to
see
you
all
asking
new
things
that
we
don't
have
to
call
and
ask
them.
So
thank
you
and
I
encourage
other
council
members
to
start
doing.
The
same.
I
also
want
to
change
thanks
to
sacks.
Q
We
understand
that
you
have
a
tough
job
and
none
of
us
envy
your
position,
but
you
took
this
job
and
it
is
time
to
step
up
so
I
have
a
couple
comments
on
your
30-60-90
day
plan
I
appreciate
that
you've
recognized
that
we
don't
trust
you.
So,
as
the
previous
caller
stated,
you
have
a
lot
to
do
to
address
that
specifically
to
address
our
specific
asks
and
needs,
and
not
just
come
up
with
your
own.
Q
One
of
the
specific
things
I
wanted
to
comment
on
is
the
community
engagement
division.
I,
understand
that
you
are
seeing
this
as
your
ear
to
the
community,
but
we
are
asking
that
this
be
a
separate
division.
You
can
come
up
with
whatever
you
want
within
APD
to
try
to
be
your
PR
customer
service
community
service.
Whatever
you
need
that
you,
we
have
officers
already
that
come
into
the
community
and
attend
meetings
and
hear
from
people.
Obviously,
yes,
you're
not
doing
a
good
enough
job
of
that.
Q
But
what
we're
reading
about
the
community
engagement
division
is
that
that
is
going
to
be
people
that
are
responding
to
these
types
of
public
safety
issues
that
do
not
need
to
be
police.
So,
therefore,
that
division
and
those
people
that
are
responding
to
those
issues
do
not
need
to
be
police.
We
are
like
the
previous
caller
stated
we're
not
calling
the
police
anymore,
so
we
need
to
create
new
system.
They
can
partner
with
the
police
whatever
and
until
the
interim
that
we
can
transition
away
from
that
entirely.
Q
But
the
community
engagement
division
in
the
simba
to
individuals,
responding
to
mental
health
issues
should
not
be
with
house
within
APD,
and
that
is
non-negotiable.
I
also
want
to
point
out
the
implementation
of
gun.
Violence
reduction
strategy
item
in
the
plan
says
that
the
data-driven
identification
of
responsible
groups
and
individuals
at
the
highest
risk
of
being
involved
in
a
shooting,
data-driven
and
identification
sound
to
me
like
racial
profiling,
even
if
it's
done
by
an
AI
AI
can
have
racism
built
into
them
too.
Q
That's
what
we're
seeing
that
these
are
systemic
problems,
so
I
just
want
to
call
that
out
and
let's,
let's
talk
more
about
that,
please
in
D
ongoing
discussions
that
you
are
saying
we're
going
to
have
so
I
also
just
want
to
respond
to
something
that
you
mentioned
about
the
open.
Carry
in
this
conversation,
I
understand
that
you
are
trying
to
protect
the
lives
of
our
citizens
and
of
the
officers
that
work
for
you.
Q
This
is
unacceptable
and
for
your
officers
to
not
even
let
them
know
that
that's
not
acceptable
for
them
to
do
that,
it
makes
you
look
complicit
and
it
makes
you
look
like
you're
aligned,
I
lying
with
them.
So
really
please
check
that
and
I
have
more
to
say,
but
I'll
call
that
another
time.
Thank
you.
N
Hi,
my
name
is
Maddie
Schuler
I'm,
a
resident
of
Asheville
I,
wanted
to
specifically
address
what
happened
on
Sunday
and
she
David
Zack
I,
wanted
to
remind
you
of
the
North
Carolina
General
statute,
14-2
77.2,
section
a
states
that
shall
be
unlawful
for
any
person
participating
in
affiliated
with
or
present
as
a
spectator,
any
parade
funeral
procession,
ticket
line
or
demonstration
upon
any
public
place
owned
or
under
the
control
of
the
state
or
any
of
its
political
subdivisions
to
willfully
or
intentionally
possess,
or
have
immediate
access
to
any
dangerous
weapon.
N
Violation
of
the
subsection
shall
be
a
class
1
misdemeanor.
You
say
that
you
have
limited
resources,
but
what
I'm
wondering
is
why
unarmed
peaceful
protesters
continue
to
be
met
with
tear
gas,
rubber
bullets,
armored
vehicles
and
handcuffs,
while
known
KKK
members
who
show
up
armed
with
assault
rifles.
Stealin
hate
speech
get
met
with
casual
conversation,
as
was
shown
on
Sunday
Chiefs
act.
The
actions
of
your
department
speak
so
much
louder
than
any
words
that
came
out
of
your
mouth.
Today.
You
gave
a
lot
of
fluff
answers
today
did
not
actually
address
or
acknowledge
our
concerns.
R
So
I
brought
out
this
comment
because
I
wanted
to
specifically
be
able
to
have
the
chief
of
police
here,
what
I
wanted
to
say
and
I'm
sure
he
won't
listen
to
this
now,
but
there
were
women
and
children
all
over
the
frontlines
of
that
bridge.
For
the
protest
there
was
no
safe,
quote/unquote,
safe
exit
and
there
were
absolutely
no
warnings
about
teargas
or
pepper
spray
bullets
before
they
were
fired.
We
had
to
keep
an
eye
on
when
the
cops
would
reach
for
teargas
canisters
or
face
their
pepper
spray.
R
Bullitt
guns
towards
the
ground,
I
put
my
body
in
front
of
multiple
children
who
did
not
want
to
walk
away
from
the
front
of
the
crowd
because
they
couldn't
find
their
parents
in
the
chaos
upon
our
turning
around
and
marched
back
into
the
city.
We
were
met
with
more
violence,
the
exact
same
night.
Rubber
bullets
were
shot
into
the
crowd
where
children
were
still
visibly
present.
R
Flashbangs
and
tear
gas
canisters
were
thrown
with
absolutely
no
warning
after
six
hours
of
this
violence,
APD
kneeled
after
black
organizers,
begged
them
to
do
so
after
there
kneeling,
more
tear
gas
and
flash
bangs
were
thrown
to
make
us
leave
the
area
despite
them
never
announcing
a
call
to
disperse.
There
was
no
curfew
in
place
at
this
time.
This
violent
abuse
of
power
is
beyond
unacceptable
and,
unfortunately,
unsurprising,
no,
but
no
one
trusts
the
police.
R
S
Hi,
my
name
is
Katie
Hudson
and
I'm.
A
resident
of
North
Asheville
I
was
just
calling
to
bring
up
the
point
that
I
was
going
to
ask
a
question,
but
I
want
to
bring
up
the
point
that
people
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
trust
the
transparency
of
the
inquiry
into
what
happened.
The
official
inquiry
from
the
attorney
and
the
independent
investigation.
S
If
there's
no
guarantee
that
there
will
not
be
backlash
to
protesters
and
community
members
that
come
forward
to
share
their
part
of
the
story,
and
that
might
be
why
you
haven't
received
any
official
complaints
of
injuries
because,
as
everybody
has
said,
no
one
trusts
the
police.
We
don't
trust
that
if
we
bring
forward
our
stories
of
violence
perpetrated
against
us
that
we
won't
face
further
violence
and
retaliation
in
investigations
into
us
in
the
future
for
participating
lawfully
in
protest.
I
also
want
to
echo
the
sentiments
of
everybody
else.
S
That's
come
before
us
there,
as
Chief
David
Zak,
said:
there's
no
infrastructure
for
public
feedback
to
actually
get
implemented
right
now,
and
this
is
where
we
have
to
do
it,
and
so
we've
taken
it
to
the
streets.
To
tell
you
what
we
need
and
it's
it's
smacks
of
irony
and
disrespect-
to
come
forward
with
a
proposal
that
you're
going
to
listen
to
people
when
we
are
actively
telling
you
what
we
want
right
now
and
you
haven't
put
any
implementation
or
proposed
any
ways
to
implement
our
proposals
again.
S
N
Hi
you
all
my
name
is
Rebecca
la
blue
I've
been
a
resident
of
Asheville
North
Carolina
now
for
about
fourteen
years.
I
definitely
want
to,
of
course,
start
by
just
echoing
all
the
sentiments
of
all
the
callers
that
come
before
me,
but
I'm
specifically
calling
to
leave
a
comment
that
I
hope
Zack
would
be
here
personally
to
hear
and
I
hope.
N
You
know
sort
of
centering
himself
in
the
department
and
saying
you
know
well.
This
is
what
we
want
to
do.
Sort
of
put
some
Howard
before
me
have
said
that
it's
important
for
him
to
sort
of
step
back
and
realize
that
that
his
intentions
should
not
be
at
the
center
of
this
in
this
creation
of
this
division,
especially
when
it
seems
it
has
not
come
with
collaboration
from
any
community
groups.
It's
really
dangerous
and
self-serving.
I
mean
sort
of
a
facade
of
progress
forward
without
really
dealing
with
the
criticism.
N
N
You
know
mental
illness
and
drug
use
and
to
defer
our
funding
and
our
support
away
from
the
community
groups
that
have
been
doing
this
work
now
already
and
to
give
it
the
police
officers.
It's
not
only
disrespectful,
it's
dangerous
and
it
doesn't
acknowledge
the
power
that
the
community
has
in
caring
for
itself
and
we
should
be
supporting
those
groups
rather
than
the
police
department.
N
I'd,
also
like
to
say
that
you
know
Zack
said
today
that
this
group
is
going
to
be
about
listening
and
getting
an
ear
into
the
community,
but
on
the
plane
it
says
it's
about
quick
response
and
Zack
also
said
today
about
you
know
talking
about
officers
in
the
field
that
they
have
a
quote
wide
discretion,
which
is
really
unsettling
to
hear.
You
know
there
was
not
a
lot
of
clearances
that
I
feel
came
out
of
what
Zack
said
today.
N
I
know
I,
don't
feel
alone
in
that,
but
this
idea
of
wide
discretion
we're
pairing
it
with
what
kind
of
work
is
supposedly
going
to
be
dealt
with
by
this
community
engagement
division,
which
is
for
me
it
doesn't
sound,
safe
and
I
think
our
resources
should
be
going
to
the
the
groups
that
are
already
doing
this
work
and
I.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'd
love
to
just
end
on
a
really
short
quote
from
the
ex
Dallas
police
chief
David
Brown.
N
T
We've
got
a
long
history
problems
with
the
APD
in
the
city
we
watched
gay
bashing.
We've
watched
the
women
against
women
in
black
get
arrested
for
standing.
There
we've
seen
this
problem.
We've
seen
these
problems
repeatedly
over
the
decades.
I
have
concerns
with
the
independent
oversight
that
you're
not
asking
about
basic
legality,
because
on
the
surface
it
seems
like
many
of
the
actions
the
APD
took
during
these
protests
violated
every
level
of
the
rule
of
law.
We
have
in
this
country
from
international
treaty
to
our
Constitution's
federal
law,
state
law.
T
All
of
them
like
that
should
be
addressed
the
compliance
with
our
own
use
of
force
policies.
Why
is
that
not
in
there
right
did
we
meet
our
own
burden
that
it's
a
problem
you
get
to
the
mistrust
of
the
APD.
You
look
at
the
Freedom
of
Information
Act
requests
and
responses,
since
the
protests
that
they
passed
out
that
quoting
HIPAA
when
people
ask
for
metrics
about
officers
that
were
damaged.
That
does
not
engender
trust.
That
makes
us
think
you
will
lie
like
for
anything
to
keep
from
looking
bad
the
computer,
the
engagement
division.
T
T
There's
a
petition
right
now
with
43
hundred
signatures
calling
perceive
Zacks
resignation,
I
hope
those
numbers
go
down.
We
want
to
believe,
but
so
far
it
hasn't
shown
us
anything.
What
you've
been
here
for
months
so
far,
you've
got
some
constitutional
rights
violations,
some
cracked
skulls
to
show
for
it,
you're
gonna,
do
better
get
to
it.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
N
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Claudia:
Cronin
I
live
in
North
Asheville
I've
been
in
Asheville
residents
in
2003,
been
listening
with
interest
to
achieve
Zach's
answers
to
the
questions
that
were
posed
to
him.
I'm,
not
impressed
with
the
answers.
I
was
there
for
all
the
margins
before
and
after
the
in
statement
of
a
curfew,
I
can
tell
you
from
a
first-person
experience
that
there
was
a
lot
of
use
of
force
without
any
provocation
and
any
any
reason
there
were
definitely
children
present
when
tear
gas
and
flash
bangs
and
rubber
bullets
were
deployed.
N
I
want
to
refer
you
all
back
to
the
black
Asheville
demands
that
were
presented
the
beginning
of
the
protests
and
that
we
all
thousands
of
us
marched
to
support
everything
is
in
there.
Everything
is
in
there
and
I
think
way
more
important
than
community
engagement
division.
That
is
part
of
a
BT
KPD
is
an
independent
public
oversight
body
that
can
hold
APD
and
individual
officers
responsible
and
accountable
for
what
they
do.
If
there
is
no
public
oversight,
independent
of
APD,
then
I
think
that
will
happen
within
APD
has
no
there's.
It's
not
really
an
improvement.
N
U
They
they
gassed
it
everyone
a
couple
hours
after
that
and
they
gassed
people
before
it
was
with
theatrics.
It
was
cop
agonda,
and
it
is
unacceptable
for
that
to
excuse
for
the
good
work
they
did
during
the
protests
and
the
other
sentiment
said
tonight
and
will
reiterate,
we
need
to
be
fun
the
police
and
as
well
as
a
quick
thank
you
to
mr.
Hayes,
for
putting
in
the
the
agenda
to
disallow
chemical
weapons
on
protesters.
Thank
you
for
your
job.
V
Good
afternoon
mrs.
D
Williams
I
am
somebody
who's.
A
native
of
Asheville
and
I
am
an
african-american
woman
and
the
burden
of
my
work
for
over
the
last
three
years.
I
know
we've
had
a
lot
of
influx
of
different
individuals,
and
this
is
a
democracy
and
it
should
be
a
lot
of
voices
at
the
table,
but
our
job
here
in
askew.
As
far
as
my
work
has
been
concerned,
whether
it's
been
with
the
Asheville
branch
of
the
n-double
a-c-p,
being
the
Box
written
consent
to
search
has
been
to
save
black
line.
V
I
have
not
heard
a
lot
of
black
folks
calling
me
one
of
the
things
that
I
have
been
doing,
and
it
has
been
a
work
in
progress
as
a
democracy
calls,
for
it
has
been
years
the
research
that
we
put
into
written
consent
research
and
we
got
we
did
get
automobiles
and
we
got
homes
now,
if
you
want
to
take
it
beyond
that,
we
don't
even
have
data
yet
to
substantiate
or
see
where
we
are
on
on
automobiles.
We
have
some
of
it
by
quarters
since
the
previous
chief
left,
but
not
enough
with
this
cheap.
V
Here,
let
me
say
this
and
I
want
to
just
edit
admonish
everyone
that
you
guys
are
people
just
like
they
are
this
to
lead.
People
is
very
difficult
and
to
all
of
the
personal
attacks
that
I
heard
a
coming
forth
is
something
that
the
black
community
here
in
Asheville
is
civilized
enough
to
know
that
that
doesn't
get
anything
done
and,
after
all,
I
just
want
to
also
make
another
side
note.
There
are
a
lot
of
white
voices
that
have
just
come
in.
V
Looking
at
how
public
housing
can
be
policed
differently,
we're
looking
at
school
resource
officers
and
we're
using
data
to
back
up
everything
that
we
do.
I
am
so
happy
that
I
called
in
and
I
want
to
say
this
anybody
that
makes
a
categorical
statement
about
folks
having
to
resign.
That
is
not
the
way
you
get
things
done,
not
in
a
democracy.
The
truth
is
always
somewhere
in
the
absolute
middle,
and
so,
instead
of
us
just
being
such
a
polluted
black
folk.
V
Let
me
tell
you
this:
nobody
speaks
for
the
black
community
in
Asheville,
I,
don't
either,
and
so
for
me
to
hear
a
bunch
of
people
calling
in
who
see
it,
things
that
help
usurped
the
narrative
and
I
don't
say
that
lightly.
A
lie
ship
is
to
be
commended,
but
this
is
our
fight,
and
this
is
about
saving
black
life.
That's
the
way
it
started
out.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
City
Council
chief,
that
welcome
to
Asheville
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
manager
Campbell
hold
your
head
up.
V
Let
me
tell
you:
we
are
rooting
for
you
Gwen,
we
are
rooting
for
you,
Brian
and
Councilwoman
slippery
absolutely
are
as
well.
So
just
please
understand
this
is
a
difficult
situation.
We're
willing
to
work
through
it
and
I
have
invited
chief
back
to
me
with
the
black
ministerial
Alliance.
That
represents
quite
pretty
much
all
the
black
ministers
in
town
and
other
people.
So.
J
Awesome.
Thank
you.
My
first
comment
is
just
for
the
seventh
question
for
the
round
of
which
police
chief
regarding
a
warning
around
tear
gas
usage.
I
was
at
most
of
the
protests
where
teargas
were
issued
and
unless
he's
referring
to
warnings
of
tear
gas
to
the
officers,
there
was
no
warning
to
any
protesters
or
anyone
present.
All
we
heard
was
the
teargas
go
off
and
I
was
trying
to
breathe,
even
though
it's
very
very
difficult.
So
that's
a
lie.
There
is
no
warnings
used
at
all
and
then
regarding
the
Sunday
night
situation.
J
Where
are
members
of
the
KKK
and
other
far-right
organisations
showed
up
again,
I
was
present
and
I
saw
what
happened.
There
were
two
white
cops
that
showed
up
and
pods
very,
very
briefly
to
those
with
guns
never
asked
to
see
their
permits
really
didn't
even
seem
like
they
were
that
concerned
and
then
within
probably
5
10
mins
I'm,
showing
up
they
bike
dolphins
tonight,
never
to
be
seen
again
when
we
see
says
that
they're
understaffed
and
not
able
to
be
present
with
a
30
million
dollar
budget.
It
really
seems
like
we
need
to
hire
someone.
J
That
really
knows
how
to
use
their
funds
to
make
that
staff
about,
because
with
30
million
dollars,
I
think
you
can
probably
have
enough
people
to
show
up
for
something
like
that,
especially
if
you're
supposed
to
protect
and
serve
the
people
of
this
community,
which
he
absolutely
did
not.
Additionally,
there
are
two
cop
cars
parked
about
a
block
away
with
their
lights
off
the
entire
situation.
They
never
got
out
of
their
car,
which
we
knew
they
were
sitting
in
their
car
and
they
never
came
forth.
J
Lastly,
the
the
eighth
question
about
a
police
officer
being
set
on
fire
I'd,
really
like
to
hear
more
details
about
that.
There's.
Nowhere
on
the
news
and
really
I'll
take
anybody
insert
of
that
except
for
this
evening.
So,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
I
really
hope
we
can
get
some
clarity
out
of
this
whole
situation.
Thank
you.
N
This
ritual
was
supposed
to
represent
steps
forward
and
by
Jerry's
family
steps
forward
to
move
on
and
forward.
N
So
that's
what
I'm
calling
to
mention
and
to
call
attention
to
and
to
call
you
out
chief
Sachs,
for
if
there
was
for
some
reason,
perhaps
lack
of
permit
I,
don't
know
what
excuse
you
would
make,
but
some
reason
for
this
concrete
not
being
able
to
stay
on
the
sidewalk
there.
N
You
could
have
maybe
used
it
gently
to
another
location
and
kept
it
intact.
Instead
of
several
officers
forcibly
destroying
these
symbolic
steps
forward
that
Jerry
Williams
family
is
trying
to
take
after
so
much
pain
and
suffering,
so
I
would
I
would
call
you
to
to
think
about
that
and
to
think
about
those
actions.
That's
it.
W
Good
afternoon
Council,
my
name
is
Victoria
and
I
am
from
Asheville
I'm,
calling
to
make
a
few
statements
first
off
regarding
most
of
these
first
ones
are
off
cheese,
Jack's
speech
from
today.
We
do
not
want
the
continued
building
upon
of
existing
programs
that
are
within
the
police
department.
We
want
the
police
defunded
and
we
want
those
funds
reallocated
into
into
independent
organizations
that
focus
on
public
health
and
public
safety.
We
don't
want
the
police
having
any
say
or
control
in
those
being
built
or
maintained.
W
Chief
deck
mentioned
that
officers
were
being
given
wide
discretion
to
use
force,
and
that
is
precisely
the
issue.
We
need
people,
not
police,
that
are
trained
in
non-violent
response
methods.
I
am
a
student
of
the
world
beyond
war
classes,
and
there
are
plenty
of
statistic
evidence
showing
that
non-violent
de-escalation
tactic
being
being
used
in
actual
war
zone
with
with
other
soldiers
and
military
personnel,
and
it
works.
If
we
can
do
non-violence,
de-escalation
tactics
in
war
zones,
I
think
we
can
do
that
as
a
peaceful
protest.
W
Keep
that
if
you
can't
answer
to
how
you
will
respond
next
time,
how
can
we
trust
that
you
are
going
to
respond
any
differently
than
you
did?
You
know
it's
fun.
He
cited
concerns
with
guns
being
carried
by
protesters,
but
there's
photographic
evidence
and
response
that
shows
otherwise
it
shows
the
police
officers
laughing
and
joking
with
these
people
was
gone
and
none
of
the
incidents
that
caused
APD
to
use
force
throughout
the
protests
involve
guns.
My
friend,
who
was
one
of
the
few,
is
standing
in
front
of
of
the
police
line.
W
The
second
day
of
protest
had
no
weapon.
She
was
three
yards
away
and
received
a
fractured
skull
from
a
tear
gas
canister
on
you
say
you
didn't
arrest
the
protesters
with
the
guns
because
you
were
afraid
to
escalate
things
and
none
of
what
you're
saying
is
winding
up
here.
So
getting
a
water
bottle
thrown
at
you
warrants
force,
but
literally
people
carrying
guns
illegally
against
city
ordinance,
weren't,
no,
immediate
response
that
does.
That
makes
absolutely
no
sense.
You
also
claimed
issuing
a
warning
before
using
force
and
of
people.
W
A
few
people
have
said
that
didn't
happen.
I
was
there
for
almost
every
protest
and
I
was
in
the
front.
There
was
a
warning
sent
out,
but
it
was
sent
out
using
a
megaphone,
and
when
you
have
that
many
people
crowded
together
and
chanting,
only
the
people
in
the
very
front
are
going
to
hear
that
warning.
Nobody
behind
us
heard
that
warning
guarantees,
so
I
would
like
to
say
the
somebody
who
did
okay.
Thank
you.
N
They
have
to
recognize
that
the
community
does
not
perceive
them
as
keepers
of
the
peace
now
I'm
not
going
to
place
blame
anywhere
there,
because
a
lot
of
the
fault
of
that
is
due
to
the
society
we
work
in
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
ahead
for
all
of
us,
but
I
really
urge
to
Zach
to
really
think
about
where
the
police,
the
APD
in
our
city
and
also
nationwide
police,
is
a
hole
where
they
sit
into
our
white
supremacist
Society,
whether
we
like
to
think
of
it.
That
way
or
not.
That's
what
it
is.
N
N
It's
important
to
notice
that
the
apd
seems
to
be
more
effective
at
de-escalation,
with
armed
KKK
or
white
nationalist
groups,
armed
white
folks
in
the
street,
scaring
community
members
but
they're,
not
seemingly
as
trained
with
the
escalation
when
it's
a
peaceful
protest
about
black
lives
and
whether
those
situations
are
taken
separate
or
together,
I
think
it's
important
to
compare
the
response
to,
while
the
police
may
not
think
well.
This
was
done
on
purpose.
N
The
community
they're
meant
to
serve
sees
the
police
meet
white
men
with
guns
with
civility
but
tear
gas
to
those
who
are
protesting.
Police
brutality,
that's
important
to
look
at
I.
Think
police
should
be
given
mandatory
anterior'
mandatory
anti-racist
training.
Again,
that's
the
work
of
all
white
folks
going
forward
and
that's
gonna,
be
a
lifelong
commitment
for
every
white.
N
American
I
think
it's
important
for
the
people
who
are
supposed
to
protect
and
serve
all
Americans
to
really
engage
with
their
own
internal
biases
and
work
to
not
take
those
to
a
job
where
they
can
literally
take
someone's
life.
They
don't
have
the
the
trust
of
the
Asheville
community
and
I
really
urge
chief
Dec
and
his
officers
to
look
at
their
response
to
the
community
and
ask
themselves
why
the
community
does
not
trust
them.
We
can
sit
here
and
talk
about.
He
says
she
said
what
happened.
N
D
X
Can
hear
me?
Okay,
just
it's
telling
me
it's
my
turn.
My
name
is
Chris
O'leary
I'm,
a
resident
of
Asheville
I,
wish
that
I
could
say
that
I'm
surprised
by
officers.
Failure
to
enforce
the
no
open
carry
statute
during
recent
protests.
But,
honestly
it's
the
kind
of
exclusionary
justice
and
blatant
negligence.
I
have
come
to
expect
from
the
Asheville
Police
Department
public
trust
is
at
an
all-time
low
and
yet
by
any
measurable
standard,
it's
business
as
usual.
X
This
brings
me
to
the
30-60-90
day
plan
which,
let's
be
honest,
is
window-dressing
at
best
the
escalation,
training
and
quote
warning
before
shooting
will
not
change
racial
profiling
or
the
fact
that
our
black
population
are
three
times
more
likely
to
be
searched
by
APD
officers.
Police
violence
does
not
spring
from
a
lack
of
boundaries,
but
by
a
system
that
diminishes
the
lod
of
those
being
policed.
X
To
suggest
any
real
equality
can
be
achieved
within
this
structure
is
to
admit
a
very
limited
understanding
of
how
racism
works
and
the
role
police
had
historically
played
in
subjugating
people
of
color.
We
as
a
culture,
have
outgrown
law
enforcement,
bully
tactics
and
will
not
stand
for
anything
less
than
reducing
the
police
budget
by
50%.
Thank
you.
Y
Hi
I've
been
a
resident
here
since
the
80s
and
over
the
years
I've
seen
countless
instances
of
racism
and
sexism
perpetrated
by
white
male
police
officers.
I've
witnessed
and
experienced
the
police
presence
presence
and
underprivileged
and
majority
black
communities,
which
manages
to
be
both
invasive
and
yet
ineffective.
Y
Today,
I
would
like
to
talk
about
what
happens
when
my
black
daughter
wanted
to
support
her
community
by
exercising
her
right
to
protest.
My
daughter
and
I
were
standing
in
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
this
Monument
peacefully
chanting.
A
group
of
activists
walked
up
Patton
and
gathered
in
the
intersection.
Without
any
warning,
an
officer
threw
an
explosive
device
directly
at
people
protestors
who
were
on
to
flag
walk.
Y
This
flashbang
grenade
hit
my
daughter's,
like
I've,
seen
no
improvement
in
the
racist
policies
of
APD
over
the
years
when
a
black
15
year
old
cannot
even
stand
on
a
sidewalk
and
peacefully
protest,
as
is
her
constitutional
rights.
We
do
not
need
a
community
engagement.
Department
we've
heard
the
community
is
loud
and
clear,
defines
Asheville's
local
gang.
Thank
you.
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
Andrew
I
am
a
resident
of
Asheville
or
have
been
a
resident
of
Asheville
for
the
past
two
years.
I
think
the
the
only
things
I
want
to
say
are
just
commending
all
of
the
people
who
have
called
in
so
far,
who
have
so
considerately
thought
out.
All
of
these
sentiments
of
these
emotions
all
of
these
logistics
and,
in
fact,
they're
being
presented
to
you
and
I
just
want
to
implore.
The
council
people
here
to
act
with
urgency
truly
do
not
be
victims
to
bureaucracy
or
red
tape
in
this
process.
Z
Lives
are
on
the
line
and
that's
what
the
thoughts
and
actions
need
to
be
grounded
in
get
creative.
Your
votes
are
coming
up
in
the
coming
months,
but
get
creative
act
now.
Defund
the
police
listen
to
the
community.
You
know
what
they
want.
You
know
what
they're
saying
they've
been
saying
it
for
weeks
months
years,
so
just
please
act
with
the
urgency
that
you
are
hearing
over
the
course
of
these
phone
calls.
Thank
you.
AA
All
right,
this
is
a
Rob
Thomas.
It
I
have
to
rephrase
my
whole
line.
Think
slow
on
I'm
a
black
man
here
and
ask
me
Lima,
Asheville
native
as
well,
and
there's
a
few
things
that
I
want
to
speak
to.
I
have
doubted
I,
don't
really
have
too
much
confidence
in
you
know
there
will
be
consequences
with
actions
that
happen
as
far
as
you
know,
protesters
being
gassed
and
things
of
that
nature,
because
I've
studied
you
all
policies
as
well.
AA
The
interim
chief
Robert
White
told
me
something
that
has
stuck
with
me
for
a
very
long
time
since
I've
been
in
this
position.
He
stated
it
98%
of
the
things
that
law
enforcement
does
is
legal.
The
real
question
that
we
must
ask
his
people
is:
was
it
necessary
and
so
that's
what
needs
to
be
looked
at
after
the
fact
cuz.
You
know
I've
seen
the
footage,
don't
I
know
what
I
feel
is
unnecessary
and
I
can
also
look
at
it
and
see
the
same
loopholes
and
gray
areas
that
will
be
used.
AA
You
know
that
98
percent
right
there
there
what's
going
to
happen,
is
they're
going
to
find
a
couple
instances-
probably
one
instance
where
they're
gonna
say:
okay,
that
right
there,
what
it's
out
of
regulation,
but
mostly
everything
else,
will
be
deemed
legal
and
honestly,
the
chief
won't
even
have
power
to
enforce
any
type
of
consequences,
because
the
union's
would
be
able
to
back
the
officer
at
the
officer
one
to
file
suit
against
the
consequences
implemented.
A
lot
of
bladder
what's
going
on
is
bigger
than
local
government,
such
as
body
cam
footage.
AA
You
know,
city,
council
members
can't
even
access
it
and,
and
that's
been
lobbying
going
on
for
years.
So
this
this
is.
This
is
a
huge
issue,
whereas
we
don't
really
don't
even
have
the
power
to
hold
them
accountable
there.
They
are
a
serious
force
to
be
dealt
with
and
I
mean
the
chief
himself
only
has
so
much
power
to
hold
them
accountable,
whereas
you
have
to
go
by
the
rules
and
regulations
that
are
instituted
inside
the
policy
itself.
AA
You
know,
I,
don't
have
any
faith
in
changing
the
culture
on
police
to
change
the
culture
of
the
police.
You
have
to
change.
The
culture
of
America
American
culture
is
deeply
rooted
in
racism
is
pompton
individual
citizens
everyday
through
media
and
plenty
of
other
platforms.
You
know
one
of
the
chains
of
culture
overnight.
Live
stream
guard
cam,
footage,
I
promise,
you
will
change,
but
that's
not
even
a
possibility.
Right
now.
AB
Hi,
my
name
is
Patrick
Onan.
First
I
wanna
thank
members
of
the
committee
for
taking
a
lead
on
launching
an
independent
investigation
into
APD
response
to
protests
in
our
city,
but
chief
Zak
has
promised
accountability
and
transparency
from
our
Police
Department,
and
this
is
just
the
first
of
many
necessary
steps.
I
want
to
call
this
committees
attention
to
Chiefs
acts.
Recent
comment
that
APD
has
been
under
reporting
use
of
force
incident.
AB
This
releves
revelation
is
incredibly
frustrating,
especially
considering
how
APD
has
cited
the
same
numbers
as
evidence:
the
de-escalation
and
the
revised
use
of
force
policy
we're
showing
positive
change
in
the
department.
It
turns
out
that
chief
Zack
came
to
the
same
conclusion
as
many
in
our
community.
The
numbers
they
report
are
simply
not
believable.
We
need
to
answer
that
how,
as
to
how
these
numbers
were
underreported,
how
long
the
issue
has
been
occurring
and
why
is
never
addressed
by
previous
Chiefs.
As
this
committee
is
well
aware,
we've
had
similar
issues
with
the
city's
traffic.
AB
We
need
this
committee
to
push
APD
to
maintain
the
basic
levels
of
transparency
and
accountability
that
they
promise
our
city
and
I
encourage
our
council
to
consider
this
when
we're
trying
to
reimagine
public
safety
in
our
city.
If
we
can't
trust
APD
to
provide
accurate
information,
then
we
need
to
do
something
else.
Thank
you.
N
Hi,
my
name
is
Cassie
Doyle
and
I'm.
A
resident
of
Arden
I
attended
several
of
the
black
lives
matter.
Protests
here
in
Asheville
at
the
beginning
of
the
month,
I
really
would
like
to
have
been
able
to
go
to
more,
but
that
choice
was
taken
away
from
me
by
the
Asheville
police.
While
I
was
standing
peacefully
with
my
hands
in
the
air
about
ten
feet
away
from
the
police
line,
I
was
shot
in
the
face
of
an
unknown
projectile.
N
I
know
for
a
fact
that
this
did
not
come
from
behind
me,
where
the
other
protesters
were
as
I
was
facing.
The
police
line
and
wearing
a
bike
helmet
at
point-blank
range.
An
officer
of
the
so-called
law
shot
me
in
the
face.
I
was
taken
by
an
ambulance
to
spend
the
night
in
the
hospital
because
they
fractured
my
skull.
There
was
bleeding
and
air
bubbles
in
my
skull
and
I
needed
stitches
for
multiple
lacerations.
N
It
is
now
24
days
later
and
I
am
still
suffering
from
this
injury
daily
after
the
incident,
I
did
some
reading
about
how
police
are
instructed
in
handling
crowds
and
I
learned
that
any
kind
of
crowd
dispersal
tactic
is
intended
to
be
aimed
at
the
ground
to
avoid
causing
injury
to
the
people
within
the
crowd.
I
also
learned
that
had
I
not
been
wearing
shatterproof
goggles
that
cracked,
by
the
way,
I
very
legitimately,
could
have
lost
my
eye
or
even
my
life
at
the
hands
of
an
officer.
N
There
is
plenty
of
evidence
showing
all
of
the
reasons
to
support
the
idea
of
defunding
and
abolishing
the
police
and
why
funding
alternative
programs
does
more
to
benefit
the
community.
I
am
asking
this
city
to
do
more
for
the
people
by
supporting
those
in
need
and
showing
that
we
care.
Thank
you
for
listening
we're
about
beyond
Reform,
and
it
is
time
to
defund
back
and
Esther.
Please
resign.
B
H
H
G
Really
wish
there
was
some
way
that
we
could
create
a
hotline
or
some
way
for
people
who
were
injured
to
report.
Their
injuries
doesn't
feel
good
hearing
about
people
who
were
critically
injured
during
a
protest
and
not
able
to
report
those
injuries.
So
yeah
I
would
love
to
see
that
happen
in
in
a
few
days,
so
that
people
are
able
to
call
in
and
report
those
injuries.
Well.
D
I
mean
I
think
hopefully
Shaniqua
in
the
answers
to
those
questions.
There
was
information
about
how
to
report
the
incidents
and
so
I
would
urge
the
public
to
I
think
it
was
the
second
to
last
question,
maybe
maybe
third,
the
last
question
where
Chiefs
back
outlined
how
to
report
those
incidents,
so
I
mean
that's
at
least
a
step
in
that
yeah.
E
C
C
Councilmembers
I
mean
any
anyone
out
there
with
pertinent
information
that
needs
to
be
part
of
this
investigation
needs
to
contact
someone
and,
and
and
let
us
get
you
on
the
list
to
be
heard
and
I
just
got
a
text
while
moments
ago
from
folks
that
were
part
of
the
medic
tents
who
had
been
waiting
on
someone
to
call
them
to
be
interviewed
and
they
have
yet
to
get
any
contact.
So
I
just
encourage
people
to
keep
trying.
If
you
have
something
an
important
to
the
pertinent
first-hand
information
we
want
to
know
about
it.