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A
Hey
everybody
here
we
are
on
the
baseline
show
once
again,
every
week
for
over
a
year.
A
A
I
tend
to
drop
it
on
people
really
short,
really
short
notice
before
the
before
our
time,
and
it's
a
testament
to
the
community
that
we
always
have
people
showing
up
anyway,
even
though
maybe
a
couple
of
days
notice
and
in
a
little
bit
of
advanced
notice
about
what
the
agenda
will
be,
would
be
good.
So
we'll
be
we'll
be
upgrading
that
by
way
of
that
point,
I'll
say
that
we
are
upgrading
some
things
there
are.
A
Of
of
developers
that
will
be
working
on
v1
and
we
are
as
of
yesterday.
This
is
the
official
month
where
we
will
lock
the
the
version
one
requirements
set
and
then
start
just
pounding
on
getting
it
done.
That's
so
this
summer,
just
like
last
summer
was
video
0.6
and
I
called
it
v
0.6
for
a
reason,
because
we
called
hyperledger
fabric,
v0.6
and
and
and
then
v1
and
v1
was
when
all
the
economic
activity
around
enterprise
blockchain
started,
exploding
in
2016.
A
C
A
So
I
think
that's
one
of
the
ways
to
think
about
v
v06
is
build
things
to
figure
out
what
you
should
build
and
we
did
that
and
in
the
intervening
time
since,
since
that
big
work
last
summer,
we've
figured
out
a
whole
bunch
of
things,
requirements,
multi-party
work,
steps
or
greater
than
two
party
work
steps.
A
I
should
say
great
language
and
I
and
I
really
commend
andreas
freund
and
and
anissa
frank
for
honestly,
frank,
the
you
know
the
leader
of
the
standards
team
and
andreas,
who
has
just
been
such
a
huge
workforce,
tapping
in
on
on
writing
hard
standards
to
write.
You
know
not
everybody
can
write
these
things
and
you've
done
a
great
job.
A
It
you've
given
us
stuff
to
argue
about,
which
is
really
we're
very
grateful
for
that,
because
it's
hard
to
you
know,
write
on
a
blank
piece
of
paper,
but
it's
really
a
lot
easier,
even
on
github,
which
I
find
to
make
my
eyes
bleed.
Sometimes
when
I'm
editing,
but
you
know
at
least
we
have
something
to
work
from
and
it's
it's
it's
got
a
sense
of
completeness
to
it,
so
the
standards
should
be.
A
A
I'm
also
hearing
about
some
really
interesting,
open
stuff
that
companies
have
been
working
on,
that
they
want
to
open
source
into
the
into
the
code
base
and
yeah
tons,
tons
of
really
big
announcements
coming
and
none
of
them.
I
almost
cancelled
this
today,
but
we've
never
cancelled
one
because
there's
so
many
big
announcements-
and
I
didn't
want
to
come
on
here
and
say:
oh.
A
But
none
today
yeah,
that's
just
no
fun
but
yeah
big
announcements.
That
said
that
we
can
talk
today
about
one
thing:
samurai
kishore
and
team
in
india
are
standing
up
a
a
a
baseline
protocol,
our
our
first
sort
of
local
chapter,
something
that
you
know
is
usually
a
sign
of
maturing
maturing
community
cemerates.
I
would
like
to
say
hi
and
talk
about
it.
D
Sure,
thanks
sean
and
so
yeah,
I
think
we
did
gather
a
lot
of
thoughts
around
how
we're
going
to
run
the
india
specific
baseline,
show
and,
in
all
probability,
we'll
be
launching
from
the
17th
of
june
and
we're
going
to
keep
it
the
next
day
from
this
one,
so
that
we're
also
able
to
share
the
updates.
The
the
most
recent
updates
from
this
show
on
to
that
one.
So
we
we're
going
to
keep
it
thursday.
We're
going
to
start
with
fortnightly
shows
so
that
we
gather
the
right
traction.
D
We
get
the
right
interest.
We
have
enough
meat
on
the
bone
for
people
to
be
stuck
to
the
show
for
some
time
and
then
what
we're
also
going
to
do
is
we're
also
going
to
so.
I
think
we've
got
some
great
sponsors
in
india
here
right,
so
those
sponsors
have
shown
a
lot
of
interest
in
showcasing
their
projects.
What.
D
In
terms
of
baselining
and
what
are
the
teams
they
put
together,
so
they
are
hopping
on
the
board
pretty
fast
and
and
yeah.
I
think
what
we'll
be
exciting
to
see
is
you
know,
which
are
the
indian
projects
which
are
going
to
qualify,
we're
sort
of
going
to
qualify
them
and
then
come
here
and
present
on
the
on
the
bigger
baseline
show.
So
I
think
I'm
very
excited.
I
think
this
version
could
make
it
today,
but
I
think
yeah
we
had
a.
A
Right
on
sam
right,
I'm
hearing
on
online
once
again
that
volumes
might
be
low.
Somebody
want
to
double
check
that.
No,
I
think
mine.
It
would
be
my
problem.
A
Can
anybody
double
check
that
please,
but
yeah
so
summer
keep
on
yeah?
So,
let's
let's
talk
about
it.
So
what?
What
do
you
think
the
big
topics
are
there
and
by
the
way,
I
I'm
gonna,
guess
that
that
you
know
in
in
if,
if,
if
things
like
erp
and
standards
around
around
supply
chain
are,
are
any
predictor?
A
We're
gonna
have
to
flip
that
around
pretty
soon
so
that
yeah,
you
know
the
folks
over
on
this.
In
these
time
zones
are
following
the
india
group,
because
india
will
quickly
overtake-
I
mean
if
you
go
if
anybody
goes
on
to
youtube
and
looks
for
like
tutorials
on
sap,
for
example,
and
we
got
alessandro
here
from
sap,
so
I'm
going
to
kind
of
poke
fun
at
him.
A
For
this
it
will
almost
certainly
be
an
indian
guy
making
and
doing
a
class
shoot
from
india
on
on
the
stuff
right
so
yeah
when,
when
things
get
real,
the
the
indian
teams
really
start
to
to
tap
in
and
take
over
and
and
good
on
you
for
it,
and
so
maybe
we'll
have
to
flip
that
around
so
that
you
guys
will
be
making
announcements.
We'll
have
to
be
announcing.
D
Oh
sure
yeah,
I
think
I
think
it
does
go
ahead
and
we
we
will
make
it
sort
of
a
flywheel.
I
think
that's
the
vision
that
we
make
it
a
flywheel
and,
of
course,
you
know
very
interesting
topic
which
came
up
today
on
on
slackchat
was
between
me
and
rob.
I
think
we
were
discussing
about
the
multi
organization,
workflows,
multi-party
opening,
multi-party
workflows
and
uml
versus
ubl
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I
think
yeah
great
topics
to
pick
up
and
I'm
very
excited
for
v1.
A
Yeah,
that's
great.
I
there's
a
pretty
big
indian
based
solutions
company
that
just
dropped
something
on
my
calendar
just
now,
but
this
morning,
so
I
I
should
think
that
if
they
get
involved,
it's
that's
that'll,
be
a
big
deal,
yeah
all
right
so
summer,
that's
great,
and
if
you
you
know,
let
me
know
if
you
need
any
help.
You
know
obs
and
all
that
stuff.
A
I
I
I
screwed
around
with
it
for
a
long
time,
got
it
wrong
over
and
over
again.
I
think
that's
part
of
the
actually
that's
the
part
of
the
authenticity
of
the
of
it
is
you
know
just
just
get
it
all
wrong.
It's
people
on
it.
Now,
okay,
yeah,
like
I,
still
get
the
audio
wrong
from
that
half
the
time.
So,
okay,
yeah.
A
That's
right
yeah,
so
it's
only
legit
if
it
if
it
looks
terrible,
no
I'm
kidding
so
so
yeah
any
anybody.
Wanna,
oh
by
the
way
everybody
say:
hi
to
lauren
gibson
lauren
gibson
from
georgetown
university,
hoya
saxa
joining
our
team.
In
fact,
lauren
has
a
long
history
in
in
collections
and
and
supply
chain
and
finance
and
joining
our
team
here.
Lauren
welcome.
A
Want
to
say
anything
about
well,
we'll
we'll
put
you
on
the
spot.
A
little
later.
E
A
So
we
got
mark
cattle
here
we
got
joe
vanderzaan.
We
got
alessandro,
dhruv
malik
dhruv,
how
you.
C
Just
a
little
bit
loaded
with
my
general
work
and
working
on
also
some
proposals
on
baseline.
I
had
the
idea
of
implementing
reference
implementation,
so
I
will
start
working
on
that
and
there.
C
Also,
coordinating
with
sam
on
some
issues
on
verifier
context,
so
yeah
I
mean
in
june
I'm
hopefully
more
committed
towards
developing
the
fourth
package
for
v1.
C
So
primarily,
I
will
yeah
no.
C
More
on
issues
first
and
then,
hopefully
applying
for
grant.
If
I
want
to
implement
a
reference
implementation.
A
Outstanding,
you
know,
there's,
I
think
some
folks
might
might
want
to
be
in
might
be
interested
in
in
in
talking
with
you
about
ways
of
doing
both
zero
knowledge
and
attestations
around
various
kinds
of
information
that
you
know
ought
to
go
into
a
baseline
event,
verified
credentials
and
their
relationship.
So
I
think
there's
some
interesting
things:
opportunities
for
folks
with
your
skills.
C
Sure
I
will
be
happy
to
have
one-to-one
meeting
or
yeah
explain
using
diagrams.
A
Yeah,
I
was
a
meeting
earlier
today
where
this
this
was
an
important
part
of
the
conversation,
speaking
of
which
andreas.
How
would
you
like?
Would
you
like
to
kind
of
go
through
the
the
standards
like
where,
where
are
we
at
with
the
standard
with
standards
doc,
maybe,
while
you're
describing,
I
can
bring
up
the
link
to
the
standards
repo,
but.
C
A
F
So
yeah
so
quick
styles
update.
We
have
a
we're,
still
missing
an
intro
section,
big
thing,
but
I
think
I
would.
I
actually
would
like
to
to
write
that
last,
because
once
you
have
the
full
picture,
then
you
can
actually
write
an
introduction
about
the
picture.
Its
picture
is
still
still
emerging
a
little
bit
so
the
best
for
last
so
to
speak.
What
we
have
currently
is
a
is
a
design
and
architecture
section.
F
So
we
have
the
high
level
stuff
out
of
the
way
we
have
to
find
what
a
baseline
protocol
instance
stack,
looks
like
in
terms
of
a
reference
architecture
and
and
certain
requirements
around
that
and
then,
which
is
sort
of
like
the
the
the
skeleton
right
and
now
we're
we're.
We
are
filling
it
out.
We
have
a
pr
that
just
kyle
just
needs
to
needs
to
okay,
and
then
we
have
the
requirements
for
our
consensus,
controlled
state
machine,
also
known
as
blockchain
or
dlt
or
whatever
other
moniker.
F
You
want
to
use
that
we
think
is
required
to
run
a
baseline
protocol
instance.
That
is
quote-unquote
not
stupid.
My.
F
Right
not
stupid,
so
so
by
the
way
this
is,
this
is
pretty
much.
This
is
the
second
time
that
that
such
a
such
a
thing
will
be
defined
in
a
in
a
standard.
F
The
first
one
is
is,
was
just
released
with
at
the
metro
ethernet
forum
about
dlt
based
operational
commercial
frameworks
for
billing,
so
that
has
that
has
a
has
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
draft
standard
that
has
been
released
for
that,
so
that
this
one
is
closely
aligned
to
that,
and
then
we
have
another
pr
open,
which
fully
specifies
one
of
the
four
layers
that
we
have
in
the
in
the
in
the
stack,
which
is
the
actual
processing
layer
which
is
kind
of
like
the
heart
of
the
whole
matter,
and
that
is
hopefully
going
to
get
merged.
F
Sometime
we'll
have
a
discussion
on
thursday.
So
if
you
want
to
talk
about,
you
know
how
to
do
you
know:
deterministic
state
transition
using
zero
knowledge
proofs.
You
know
please,
please,
come
and
and
join
the
thursday
standard
meeting
at
8
a.m:
pacific
4
p.m,
greenwich
standard
time
or
wherever
you
are
in
this
beautiful
planet,
hopefully
at
a
reasonable
hour.
Speaking.
A
Of
which
samurai,
that
would
be
one
thing
that
you
know:
if
you
guys
get
the
the
steam
up
in
india
go,
we
can.
We
can
add
another
time
for
that
for
those
meetings
going
forward.
F
So,
what's
what
needs
to
be
done
so
that
that's
sort
of
like
done
so
what
needs
to
be
done
on
the
other
or
the
other
pieces
of
the
of
the
of
the
stack?
The
other
three
layers
need
to
be
need
to
be
described
more
specified
out.
What
I'm
currently
working
on
is
the
section
on
sort
of
like
a
prerequisite
section
around
around
identifiers
identity,
which.
A
Branch
are
you
in
that
that,
where,
if
people
are
looking
to
follow
along.
F
Oh,
the
car,
the
the
the
branch
on
the
on
the
processing
one
is
the
is
the
processing
layer
or
agreement
execution
brand
branch?
That's
a
that's
the
latest
one!
I'm
currently
writing
up.
This
is
not
a
pr
yet.
I
the
the
pr
around
identifiers
identity
credentials
that
you
know
it's
like
that,
that
that
sort
of
sort
of
sort
of
thing
as
a
as
and
then
it
the
subsequent
one,
will
be
around
the
the
bpi
abstraction
layer
so
around.
F
That's
where,
where
what
kyle's
working
on
with
the
with
the
api
specification
will
become,
will
be
a
complementary
to
that
and
then
we'll
we'll
write
the
section
about
the
middleware,
the
middle
layer,
middleware
layer
with
with
you
know
the
management
of
your
templates
for
workflows
and
work
steps,
your
account
management
and
and
your
messaging
messaging
is
always
fun
and
then
the
the
last
bit
is
going
to
be
the
dlt
abstraction
layer
that
is
going
to
be.
F
That
is
going
to
be
specified
such
that
we
we
we
have
the
the
stack
the
stack
done
fully
specified
out.
F
So
there
are
there
are,
there
are
three
more
larger
things
that
that
need
to
be
put
in
four,
more
things
right
that
need
to
be
put
in
place,
hopefully
by
the
end
of
july,
at
the
very
latest.
This
this
will
be
done.
A
That's
pretty
cool,
you
know
this
is
the
the
baseline
show
right,
yeah
office
hours,
so
folks
can
ask
about,
but
yeah
tune
in
to
find
out
what
what
the
juicy
bits
are
and
also
what
they
need
to
know
about
about
getting
involved.
So
what
what
are
the?
What
do
you
think
andreas
are
the
remaining
controversial
subjects
like
what
are
we
still
hammering
on?
I
know
we
talked
a
lot
about.
C
A
Let's
talk
about
the
the
going
from
talking
about
dlts
to
what
are
we
calling
it
consensus
consensus,
controlled
state
machines,
ccsi,
yeah,
ccssm,
yeah,
so
you'll
see
in
the
standards
folks
you'll
see
that
we
we
refer
to,
we
don't
refer
to
blockchains
or
or
dlts,
or
anything
like
that.
We
say
we
refer
to
ccsm
that
a
baseline
compliant
implementation
would
does
involve
a
common
frame
of
reference.
That
should
be
a
ccsm
and
it
does
not
stipulate
what
that
necessarily
has
to
be,
but
it
does
stipulate
the
attributes
that
are
required.
Correct.
F
That
is
correct
and
the
the
key
sentence
is
it's
a
consensus.
Control
state
machine
with
little
or
no
trust
assumptions
is
the
foundational
enabler
of
a
baseline
protocol
instance.
A
Right,
so
you
can,
you
could
technically
implement
a
baseline
protocol
correctly
implementation
on
anything
you
like,
but
if
you
want
the
certification
and
compliance
you
you
would
have
to
the
common
frame
of
reference
you
use
is
going
to
have
to
rise
to
a
certain
standard.
F
That
is
correct
and
it's
it's
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
nasty
one,
because
some
of
those
some
of
those
those
requirements,
certain
certain
networks
will
choke
on.
F
Well,
you
know
you
you
you,
it
says
that
you're,
that
your
virtual
state
machine,
like
the
execution
framework
has
to
be
has
to
be,
has
to
be
provably.
Deterministic.
A
Yep
and
it
has
to
be
maximally
tamper
resistant
right
so.
C
A
And
why
is
this?
Because
this
standard
is
supposed
to
be
protecting
companies
and
personal
information
at
the
highest
level
right
so.
F
If
you,
if
you
want
to
protect
potentially
trillions
of
dollars,
that
you're
you
have
to,
you
have
to
rise
to
a
high
standard
right,
there's
a
reason
why
why
why
the
u.s
federal
reserves
settles
settles
their
their
their
overnight
accounts
in
picoseconds.
A
Well
and
yeah,
certainly
there
will
be
very
little
point
in
in
all
this
effort
around
baselining.
I
should
think
if,
if,
if,
if
the
thing
that
you're
depositing
your
proofs
on
is
easily
temperable,
that
can
be
tampered
with
or
controlled
or
lock
you
out
at
that
point,
you
might
as
well
have
just
used
any
traditional
state
machine
right
that.
F
Is
that
is
that
is
indeed
true,
so
it's
it's
it's
where
there
there's
also,
you
know,
there's
they're,
also
sort
of
like
extend
extending
requirements
from
the
from
the
dlt
to
the
b
to
the
to
the
business
baseline
protocol
instance,
the
bpi
that
it
cannot
appreciably
increase
at
the
attack
surface.
F
So
the
the
security
assurances
of
of
your
of
your
underlying
ccsm
need
to
be
valid
in
your
in
in
in
the
in
the
upper
stack
as
as
well,
which
is
a
pretty
pretty
pretty
hard
hard
requirement.
So
it's
it's
because
you
need
to
prove
it.
You
can't
just
claim
it.
You
need
to
prove
it.
A
Right
on,
I
see
that
you
know,
maybe
somebody
can
comment
daniel
conan
says
in
it
for
the
tech,
but
when
lambo
I
don't
know
what
the
what
lambo
are
we
specifying
in
the
specification
is
this.
A
In
the
in
the
in
the
in
the
protocol
setup,
I
should
think
that
would
be
where
you'd
have.
A
Oh,
you
have
to
stake
a
red
nft
lambo
in
order
to
initiate
the
business
yeah,
all
right
that
that
was
all
a
joke.
Everybody
just
in
case
anybody's
missing
the
joke
baseline
doesn't
involve
tokens,
doesn't
have
its
own
token,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
hey.
A
Hey
everybody
tyler
mcbride,
our
newest
member
of
our
team,
here
at
consensus.
Also,
you
know
a
new
member
of
the
baseline.
Well,
I
mean
actually
truth
be
told.
Tyler
is
one
of
the
original
folks
on
the
baseline
protocol.
He
was
a
project
manager
when
we
were
working
hard.
C
A
With
ernst,
young
and
others,
and
welcome
to
the
team
tyler,
it's
good
to
have
you
here.
B
No
just
multitasking
away,
you
know,
love
the
fact
that
we're
able
to
come
together
every
week
and
kind
of
take
the
pulse
of
the
community
and
it's
nice
to
see.
You
know
the
work
you
know
happening.
I
know
that
if
you
look
at
the
statistics
and
things
like
that,
it,
it
looks
like
we've
taken
our
foot
off
the
gas
or
we're
coasting
a
little
bit
into
summer,
but
from
what
I
see
coming
in
we're,
it's
really
just
a
precursor
to
stomping
on
the
gas
with
both
feet.
So.
A
B
You
know
you
don't
see
a
lot
of
stuff
that
happens
in
the
standards
meeting,
because
it's
behind
closed
doors,
but
you
see
it
on
the
public
anyway,
it's
it's
really
exciting
in
it.
You
know
the
companies
that
keep
coming
into
it,
of
course,
alessandro
and
and
the
sap
team
splunk
team,
the
accenture
team.
You
know
everyone
getting
involved
is
just
it's
fun
and
it's
the
energy
is
still
very
high.
I
love
it.
A
Yeah,
I
think
the
energy
has
transferred
a
lot
to
commercial
work
and
that's,
I
think,
the
you
know
our
our
the
while,
like
there
are
certain.
A
If
you
go
to
the
github
repo,
I
do
this
every
week,
you'll
see
the
you
know,
certain
numbers,
tapering
off
certain
numbers
going
way
up,
like
contributors,
are
going
up
and
clones
of
going
like
spiked
a
couple
weeks
ago,
like
spiked,
big
and
and
and
and
are
now
still
normalizing,
but
well
above
where
they
were,
and
that
that
tends
to
say
that
people
are
using
it
for
stuff
and
not
talking
about
it.
So
I'd
encourage
anybody
out
there.
A
Companies
that
are
that
are
working
with
this
approach
do
what
coca-cola
did
do,
what
what
servicenow
did
and
come
out
and
and
talk
about
your
work
ahead
of
time.
There's
a
there
is
a
way
to
do
that.
You
can
say
hey.
You
know
this
is
you
know
we're
working
on
this?
You
don't
have
to
make
any
promises
about
your
products
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
know
it's
scary.
A
I've
been
an
enterprise
person,
but
really,
I
think
that
was
very
brave
of
those
companies
and
I
think
that
other
companies
should
be
doing
that
as
well.
A
It
helps
with
you,
know
the
you
know:
the
company,
that's
trying
to
evaluate
it
to
know
that
you're
doing
something
around
it,
so
we
know
you're
out
there
because
we
can
see
the
evidence
of
it
and,
unfortunately,
I
think
you
know
several
of
us
on
this
call
are
involved
in
a
bunch
of
those
things
and
we,
you
know
so
we'll
have
to
get
them
all
to
start
to
come
out
there
in
samurai.
A
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
on
your
on
your
show
that
you're
going
to
want
to
and
in
your
just
regular
community
meetings,
so
we're
going
to
maybe
we
can
work
together
to
in
in
plan
out
and
improve.
A
You
know:
educational
content
on
the
show,
and
and
also
just
to
I'm,
going
to
bet
that
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
more
people
than
we
have
lately
actually
asking
hey.
How
do
I
do
this?
How
do
I
do
that?
Because
that's
that's
what
happens?
You
know
the
in
the
indian
chapter
right
guys
get
get
to
work.
They're
like
hey,
I'm
trying
to
do
this.
I
can't
what's
wrong,
what's
going
wrong
and
that's
what
the
office
hours
we
were
were
intended
to
do
right.
A
So,
okay,.
A
Yeah,
being
around
mcmurthy
is,
is
doing
a
bunch
of
stuff
on
that
she's
over
at
university
of
buffalo
she's.
The.
If
you
go
to
her
course
on
coursera
about
blockchain,
I
think
it's
over
300
000
people
have
taken
that
course.
It's
crazy,
she's,
awesome,
she's,
active
in
the
baseline
community
and
and
thanks
for
reminding
me
I'll,
ask
her
where
she's
at
with
that
and
some
other
things.
A
Let
me
quickly
remind
everybody.
There's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
out
there
ready
to
be
earned
by
anybody
that
wants
to
get
involved
and
do
a
a
a
grant
project
around
baselining.
A
The
ethereum
foundation
was
gracious
enough
to
give
us
100
thousand
dollars
in
cash
money
to
to
incentivize
r
d
and
it's
and
enablement
work.
That
means
like
documentation,
content
on
you
know,
website,
content,
enablement
materials.
A
So
what
you
know
whether
you're
a
developer
or
an
engineering
team
or
or
somebody
that
wants
to
help
out
on
the
the
enablement
side,
so
that
people
can
sell
baseline
oriented
services
and
products
jump
on
in
and
go
to
baseline
dash
protocol.org,
and
you
can
you'll
see
right
there.
The
link
to
to
make
a
grant
proposal
and
we
will
consider
it
within
a
week
or
so
and
get
you
going
we're
also
looking
at.
A
You
know
using
our
with
our
friends
at
bitcoin
as
we
get
into
the
v1
work
right
on
things
that
are
really
hard
things
like
multi-party
work,
steps
and
others.
G
Well,
we
we
we're
we're
doing
pretty
good.
We
actually
completed
a
few
circuits.
We
are
in
in
testing
mode
now
kind
of
getting
our
test
cases
cleaned
up,
and
I
think
we
we
are
trying
to
take
like
thinking
through
the
logic.
How
would
actually
the
financial
business?
How
would
they
build
that
specific
circuit,
so
we're
kind
of,
like
we've
spent
last
week,
getting
into
more
details
and
working
closely
with
sam,
like
we,
we,
we
were
asking
him
to
help
us
out
with
like
kind
of
like
automating,
some
of
the
testing
using
postman.
G
A
G
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
the
bandwidth
because
we
all
have
pretty
much
like
full-time
jobs
like
the
yeah.
One
of
them
is
a
college
student,
but
he's
full-time
in
college.
So
far,
so
so
it's
it's!
It's
the
bandwidth.
If,
if
I
or
anyone
could
spend
like
full
time
working
on
it,
you
know
during
the
day
would
move
faster,
probably.
G
Yeah,
that's
that's
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
things
but
and
zero
knowledge
is,
I
mean
the
now.
It's
it's
a
bit.
It's
just
there's
not
a
lot
available.
If
you
google,
for
any
questions
or
anything,
you
know
it's,
it's
kind
of.
You
have
to
rely
on
existing
documentation
and
to
write
things
out
and
and
and
basically
it's
a
lot
quite
a
bit
of
is-
is
trying
and
seeing
if
it
works,
so
it
doesn't
quite
destroy
that.
A
A
Did
you
hear
the
news
clause,
a
company
that
is
run
by
a
guy?
I
think
a
lot
of
dan
selman
came
out
of
ibm
around
the
same
time
I
did
and
and
they
they
created
a
company
around
a
blockchain-based
smart
contract,
enabled
legal
agreements.
A
And
then
they
got
a
big
strategic
investor,
docusign
and
then
docusign
just
bought
them
straight
up
and
regardless
of
what
they're
doing
using
in
their
internal
system,
for
whether
it's
blockchain
or
not,
it's
kind
of
not
important.
What's
important
is
they're,
generating
these
dsls
of
rules
coming
off
of
human
readable,
legal
language.
That.
A
Right
so
imagine
imagine
in
a
baseline
process,
you
click
the
docusign
and
and
and
in
the
process
of
doing
that.
You're.
Not
just
you
know,
signing
a
pdf.
You've
got
fields,
you've
got
business
logic,
it's
all
going
in
and
then
it
could
go
right
into
the
zero
knowledge
circuit
and
and
into
the
baseline
process
and.
A
See
that
connection
imagine.
B
If
you
could
tag
the
dsl
with
tags
and
run
it
through,
what's
the
new
ui
thing
like
spitfire
and
produce
the
zero
knowledge
circuit
from
the
contract,
that
would
be
pretty
pretty
awesome.
A
Yeah
anybody
looking
around
by
the
way-
let's
let's
let's,
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
presentation
about
starlight
during
the
ey,
their
instant
young
meeting
last
two
weeks,
guys
their
four
day
event.
The
the
miranda
wood
was
was
outstanding.
Like
that's
somebody,
I
want
to
be
following.
A
C
A
It
makes
sense
yeah.
She
was
fantastic,
explained
it
and
was
deep
on
the
subject.
Yeah,
usually
people
like
resort
to
metaphors,
it's
like
quantum
quantum
mechanics.
It's
like
it's
like
a
string.
You
know
yeah,
she
actually
explained
it.
She
showed
you
how
to
do
it.
It
was
great.
It
was
great
love
to
see
more
of
that
work.
B
C
A
Yeah,
so
anybody
tuning
in
take
a
look
at
you
know,
go
back
to
their
instant
young
events
a
couple
weeks
ago.
I
don't
know
where
they
are.
I
don't
have
a
link,
but
yep
starlight
starlight
is
a
pretty
interesting
project.
I
liked
it
okay.
Well
it's
too
old,
it's
12
40.
and
I
I
think,
lauren.
Let's,
let's
give
you
the
last
word.
What
do
you
know
you're
new
to
all
this?
What
what
do
you
have
to
say
about
all
this
baselining
nonsense.
E
Well,
I
am
just
here
to
absorb
and
and
bring
some
you
know
business
value
because
you
guys
are
all
talking.
You
know
zero
knowledge
proofs.
You
know
all
the
this
technical.
E
Nonsense
tools,
tools,
tools
and
and
in
my
mind,
I'm
trying
to
think
how
how
can,
of
course,
the
businesses
actually
use
this
to
create
something
of
value
to
to
small
media
businesses.
So
what.
A
Really
interested
me
about
your
background,
lauren
is
and
yeah.
I
won't.
You
know
too
much
on
public
radio
here.
Whatever
on
what
the
specifics
of
it,
you
you're
welcome
to
to
talk
about
your
background,
but
you
you,
you
haven't
you.
You
come
with
a
lot
of
experience
and
how
how
things
go
wrong
between
companies
when
they're
trying
to
work
together
right,
especially
when
it
comes
to
settling
up
on
getting
paid.
E
I
worked
in
it
yeah
for
helping
clients
with
their
invoice
management
in
the
back,
and
I
saw
a
lot
of
issues
in
data
transfers,
files
just
clients
not
really
understanding
how
their
system
worked
so
that
they
could
get
paid
and
then
just
and
just
miscommunication
all
around
from
managers
to
the
to
the
collectors.
E
So
just
seeing
that
and
seeing
these
issues-
and
centralization
was
one
reason
why
I-
I
saw
a
potential
for
blockchain
technology-
distributed
technology
in
this
space.
I
know
you
know
it's
like
a
hush
hush.
We
don't
want
to
say
this
word
we're
trying
to
re-rebrand
blockchain
right,
but.
A
I
think
somebody
you
know
calling
it
one
of
the
nfts
are
trying
to
ram
blockchain.
It's
like.
Oh
okay,
like
what.
A
A
Completely
same
language,
new
word
yeah,
so
I
mean
yeah
what
tell
us
a
story
like
what
what
does
like
what
does
go
wrong,
especially
in
terms
of
data
consistency
like
you
know,
company
a
and
company
b
and
somebody's
not
getting
paid,
and
it
turns
out
that
it's
because
what
like?
What?
What
goes
wrong?
What
falls
apart.
E
So
I'll
tell
you
just
a
common
occurrence
so,
for
example,
the
software
that
I
used
to
work
with
it
would
it
would
send
files
from
the
erp
system
every
night
around
like
two
or
three
a.m.
But
of
course
one
company
when
might
be
located
in
the
united
states,
but
they
might
be
international,
so
there
would
be
tons
of
tons
of
different
times
when
these
files
would
be
sent.
E
But
if
a
company,
if
company
a
for
example,
pays
company
b
at
8
am
and
the
collector
is
calling
company
a
at
9am
asking
for
the
money,
company
b
is
going
to
or
company
a
might
say
that
we've
already
paid
you,
we
paid
you
at
8am,
but
because
they
paid
at
8
a.m
and
the
files
transferred
at
2
am.
There
was
no
continuous
transfer
of
of
data,
so
they
would
of
course
raise
a
ticket
in
the
accounts,
receivable
software
that
I
worked
in,
and
they
would
say
that.
E
Oh
this,
this
didn't
get
sent
and
we
would
have
to
explain
the
process
again
and
again.
Oh
it's
be
you
have
to
wait
for
the
next
day.
You
have
to
wait
for
the
files
to
transfer
at
2
a.m
at
this
specific
time,
and
if
there
was
anything
wrong
in
that
we
would
every
morning
there
would
be
problems
with
data
transfer.
That
was
just
just
a
huge,
a
huge
issue
for.
E
Yeah
that
there's
a
timing
problem
there,
because
that
would
happen
at
one
specific
time
and
if
it's
an
international
client
and
their
and
their
files
are
being
sent,
let's
say
at
2
a.m,
but
they're,
but
they're
2
a.m.
Eastern
time,
but
let's
say
their,
their
collectors
are
located
in
india,
for
example,
which
is
very
common
and
they
might
be
working
at
2
a.m.
So
sometimes
we
would
have
to
as
an
as
the
I.t
people
client
services
consultants.
E
We
would
have
to
tell
the
clients
that,
well,
your
your
collectors
actually
need
to
stop
working
between
this
and
this
time
frames
so
that
the
files
could
be
transferred
correctly
or
else
they
would
be
locked
out
of
the
system,
and
then
they
would
have
to
contact
us
and
we
would
have
to
go
into
the
back
end.
Utilize
sql
reset
their
password.
E
C
A
B
I'm
going
to
okay,
I
don't
know
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
that.
John.
On
the
contrary,
you
know
my
wife
and
I
have
a
great
working
relationship,
we're
a
team
right.
I
make
the
money
she
spends
it.
So
she
pays
all
of
our
bills,
and
you
know
we,
our
members
at
john
muir,
health,
right
and
they're,
great
doctors,
and
you
know
great
facilities
and
all
of
that,
however,
their
billing
department
is
a
mess.
B
So
you
know
you
get
bills
in
the
mail
and
my
wife
does
all
electronic
banking
through
bank
of
america
right.
We
have
no
problems
with
that
right.
They
you
put
in
the
dates
you
want
the
stuff
sent.
They
send
checks
everything.
You
know
you
put
the
account
numbers
in
everything's
great,
except
for
the
fact
that
when
we
send
an
electronic
check
from
bank
of
america
to
john
muir,
they
can't
track
it.
B
On
the
john
muir
side,
we've
had
three
instances
in
the
last
six
months,
where
we've
had
to
send
them
the
bank
documentation
and
they're.
Like
oh
yeah,
we
received
the
money,
but
we
just
didn't
connect
it
to
your
account
because
it
didn't
come
in
the
way
that
we
expected
it
to,
and
it's
gone
so
far
that
the
first
one
that
started
six
months
ago
and
now
keep
in
mind.
We've
got
three
of
these
in
process
right.
B
They
sent
it
to
collections
and
we
already
paid
the
freaking
thing
six
months
ago
and
I'm
like
and
it's
it's
unbelievable.
But
that
is
something
that
could
be
baselined.
And
I
don't
know
john
muir
probably
isn't
motivated
to
do
that,
because
a
lot
of
people
probably
just
pay
those
things
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
who
knows
how
much
money
they're
making.
But
anyway.
E
Yeah,
and
sometimes
it
you,
you
could
pay
one
person
and
a
collector
could
have
their
own
excel
spreadsheet,
to
document
all
this
information
when
they
should
be
utilizing
some
some
place
where
everyone
of
course
could
see
the
data,
so
it
could
be
so
it
could
be
trustworthy.
A
D
A
The
and
the
zero
knowledge
circuit
right
that
was
probably
the
most
sophisticated
circuit
we've
come
up
with,
which
is
a
little
frustrating
I'd
like
to
see
more
dhruv.
This,
you
know,
falls
to
you
guys
and
of
course
you
know,
and
and
maybe
things
like
claws
right,
where
we
have
better
tools
for
constructing
these
circuits
right
now,
we're
in
the
infancy
of
that
stuff,
but
it
wouldn't
be
nice
to
be
able
to
enforce
that
sequencing.
I
mean
lauren
brings
up
a
a
different
vector
on
the
problem.
A
It's
not
about
data
consistency,
it's
about
timing
and
and
and
saying
and
having
a
lot
business
logic
that
says,
I'm
not
going
to
do
a
thing
until
I
get
this
thing
and
and
that
thing
isn't
in
yet
right
you
can.
You
can
of
course
yeah
that's
right,
and
so
you
can
enforce
correctness
on
that.
You
can
say
I
can't
fire
this
function
off.
A
E
Right
because
if
they
start
working
on
the
invoices
before
during
the
time
that
the
new
invoices
are
coming
in,
they
might
be
working
on
old
data
that
might
say
that
actually,
this
invoice
was
already
paid,
so
a
collector
who
might
be
trying
to
go
through
this
collections,
workflow
trying
to
email
this
client
to
follow
up
with
them
to
get
to
to
follow
up
with
them
to
get
an
invoice
paid.
E
They
might
not
realize
that
the
invoice
was
paid
at
a
you
know,
a
timing
that
was
not
that
the
their
the
client's
erp
system
knows,
but
the
accounts
receivable
software
doesn't
know
yet
because
the
files
haven't
been
transferred.
Yet.
A
A
E
Yeah,
it's
all
I
know
is
that
during
the
timing
of
the
data,
the
file,
the
data
transfer
files.
A
It
would
be
kind
of
like
doing
putting
your
password
in
too
many
times
and
getting
locked
out.
A
Well
and
speaking
of
that,
my
system
is
about
to
go
down
for
maintenance.
I
need
some
lunch.
A
It's
good
to
see
everybody
samurai
very
you
know
feel
like
I
feel
like
this
is
the
spin-off
episode
of
of
some
sitcom
or
something.
D
So
I'm
feeling
that
too
thanks,
thanks
for
all
the
support,
all
right.
A
Oh,
I
couldn't
even
sit
through
it
yeah
all
right.
Good
luck,
everybody
and
godspeed!
Keep
on
baselining
and
we'll
go
out
on
my
favorite
tunes.