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B
Good
evening,
members,
okay,
it's
now
half
past
six,
okay,
I'd
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
this.
This
meeting
of
the
eph
we
where
we
are
going
to
continue,
okay
with
with
looking
at
gender
item
8,
which
has
been
adjourned
from
not
the
last
meeting,
but
the
meeting
before
just
to
make
everybody
aware
there
are
no
fire
alarms
scheduled
for
this
evening.
B
C
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
just
wanted
to
raise
in
relation
to
the
last
meeting.
So
this
is
an
adjourned
meeting.
We
I
passed
them
I,
put
a
motion
forward
to
the
committee
and
it
was
unanimously
supported
and
the
body
of
that
motion
hasn't
been
carried
out
and
I.
Just
wonder
what
we're
going
to
do,
because,
obviously,
what
we?
What
I
said
in
the
motion
is
that
we
had
hard
copies
of
the
water
and
the
transport
study
that
we
would
discuss
those
two
papers.
C
We
would
also
encourage
which
you
did
last
at
the
last
meeting
and
this
Monday
the
those
people
that
actually
were
produced
the
documents
to
come
along.
We
also
asked-
and
all
of
us
asked
that
David
George
was
invited
to
this
committee,
so
that
we
could
have
a
presentation
from
him
and
ask
him
questions,
and
the
other
bit
of
the
motion
was
that
we
would
have
the
updated
policies
and
seaside
of
those.
D
B
Right,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
inquiry
and
into
the
motion.
Council
James.
We
discussed
the
transport
study,
okay
and
also
the
the
water
cycle
Study
last
Monday,
okay,
and
with
respect
to
David
George
officers
have
set
up
a
meeting
with
with
David
George
so
that
we
can
Avail
of
his
skills.
Okay,.
C
B
He
was
a
speaker
at
the
at
the
meeting
on
Monday
night.
Okay,
he
actually
came
along
here.
Okay,
unfortunately,
you
weren't
with
us,
you
replaced
by
a
represented
by
Paul
Harvey,
okay
members
hold
on
police
Council
Cupid
members
were
allowed
to
actually
ask
questions
of
of
David
George
and,
if
I,
if
I
remember
correctly-
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
Okay
with
the
motion,
it
wasn't
get
a
presentation
from
David
George.
B
It
was
actually
to
ensure
that
officers
worked
with
David
George
okay
to
to
the
benefit
of
the
water
cycle,
study.
C
It
wasn't,
it
was
actually
it's
not
for
David
George
to
come
along
to
give
a
two
minute
presentation.
It
was
that
he
had
the
opportunity
to
come
to
a
meeting
that
we
was
able
then
to
ask
him
questions,
because
at
the
last
meeting
we
didn't
we
were
wanting
to
ask
a
lot
more
and
councilor
Perry
could
others
and
other
people
said
that
they
were
ready?
It
wasn't
a
whole
area
that
they
didn't
know
about.
B
Thank
you,
councilor
James
I've
actually
got
the
the
wording
here.
B
That's
been
given
to
me
so
it
says
here:
Council
James
then
put
forward
a
recommendation
to
adjourn
the
meeting,
as
it
was
felt
that
the
report
was
too
premature
and
the
committee
could
should
reconvene
after
they
had
opportunity
to
discuss
the
water
cycle
study
with
attendance
from
the
consul,
the
Consultants,
the
transport
assessment,
the
work
carried
out
by
the
whitchurch
conservation
group,
information
on
how
the
special
circumstances
would
affect
the
plan
documents
and
the
draft
local
plan
policy
updates
following
the
comments
and
questions
raised
by
the
committee
previously,
so
my
understanding
is
from
from
that
wording.
B
There
is
that
there
is.
You
know
we
discussed
the
water
cycle
study
and
we
discussed
the
transport
assessment.
Okay,
that
was
done
on
on
Monday
evening
with
the
consultants
and
with
Hampshire
County
Council.
Okay,
then
we,
the
the
it,
was
to
also
discuss
the
the
work
carried
out
by
the
whitchurch
conservation
group.
Okay
and
that
meeting
has
been
set
up
so
that
you
know
with
with
David
George
okay,
so
that
we
can
go
from
there,
okay
and
and
then
then
we
can
move
forward.
B
E
Thank
you
councilor
James,
so
what
we've
agreed
was
to
officers
to
work
with
David
George
at
some
point,
and
we've
set
up
the
meeting
with
David
George
during
August.
Following
that
meeting,
we're
happy
to
bring
David
George
and
the
president,
if
there's
anything
that
you
needed
or
if
you
have
any
questions,
ask
David
George
at
some
point
in
the
future.
Eps
meetings.
E
C
The
meeting
at
a
last
meeting
on
the
8th
that
this
is
premature
because
we
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
have
those
discussions,
so
we
we,
you
didn't
actually
discuss
the
water
study
report.
You
had
the
representatives
at
the
last
meeting.
You
didn't
discuss
this
transport
assessment,
but
what
I
was
we
were
wanting
in
relation
to
Dave
George
is
for
him
to
come
along
to
give
us
a
presentation,
I
welcome
that
he's
going
to
talk
to
you,
but
that's
part
of
another
piece
of
work
he's
required
to
do
in
relation
to
his
funding
anyway.
C
This
is
that
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
ask
him
questions
and
for
us
to
have
you
know
a
confidence
in
what
we're
doing
so
and
in
a
sentence
is
chicken
before
egg.
Isn't
it
we're
going
to
now
be
discussing
a
report
tonight
and
we
haven't
done
what
we
said
we
wanted
and-
and
there
was
a
motion
it
was
unanimously
supported
and
you're
now
saying
that
you're
going
to
have
a
meeting
with
him
on
the
24th
of
August
and
then
after
that,
if
we
want
to,
we
can
have
it.
You
know
we
can.
C
E
I
think
I
did
the
following
the
meeting
with
David
George.
If
he
would
like
to
present
anything
to
eph
members
other
than
what
he
will
be
discussing
with
offices,
it's
down
David
George,
to
make
their
request
to
us,
and
we
should
be
able
to
bring
him
to
EPS.
E
We
can't
just
force
him
to
bring
him
to
an
ABS
meeting
when
he's
already
agreed
to
meet
with
the
officers
and
work
with
us
on
what
needs
to
be
what
sort
of
evidence
or,
or
that
or
whatever
need
to
be
presented
to
the
officers
so
where
we
stand
right
now,
is
to
have
the
meeting
with
David
George
at
some
point
in
August
and
bring
him
along
to
an
aph
meeting
at
some
point
in
future.
Thank
you.
C
It
did
ask
to
come
to
the
meeting
he
requested
at
the
last
meeting.
I,
don't
know
if
you've
all
seen
sight
of
his
email
that
was
sent
out
this
afternoon
as
well
saying
that
he
was
disappointing,
obviously,
because
he
wanted
to
come
to
this
meeting
and
we
wanted
him
as
members
to
come
along.
So
we
haven't
had
that
opportunity
to
do
that
piece
of
work
and
I.
Just
where
did
that
change
along
the
way
we
had
agreed
something?
The
meeting
was
adjourned
that
you
were
going
to
go
away
and
set
that
up.
E
Members
were
able
to
ask
questions
and,
as
as
we
speak,
we're
happy
to
have
David
George
at
any
time
following
the
meeting
with
the
officers.
Thank.
B
You
sorry
I
just
want
to
I
just
want
to
cut
across
here,
okay
and
and
just
again
just
to
retract
the
committee
that
he
actually
was
here.
Okay,
yes,
he
spoke
for
two
minutes
in
the
Public's
participation,
but
then
he
was
questioned.
Okay
for
10
minutes,
okay
by
members
who
were
were
here
at
that
meeting.
Okay,
so
you
know
there
has
been
an
opportunity
to
actually
question
David
George.
B
Unfortunately,
you
weren't
here,
but
you
know,
Council
hold
on
Council
Cupid
I
will
come
to
you,
okay,
but
the
big
problem
is
is
the
fact
that
if
we
end
up
okay,
not
making
any
comment
on
this,
this
spatial
strategy?
Okay,
then
we
we
risk
it
going
forward
forward,
okay
to
public
consultation,
okay
and
to
cabinets.
Okay,
where
there
has
been
no
comment.
Okay
made
by
this
committee.
Okay
and
and
I
do
not
want
that
to
happen.
B
So
there
has
been
a
meeting
set
up
with
with
David
George,
okay,
which
was
the
the
the
Thruster
of
the
motion
he
was
here
at
the
last
meeting.
He
spoke
okay
for
10
minutes
and
he
was
questioned
quite
vociferously,
okay
by
by
members
and
and
I.
Think
it's
important
that
you
know
the
the
it's
recognized
the
fact
that
you
know
we
did.
The
the
committee
did
have
an
opportunity
at
the
last
meeting
to
question
him.
Okay
and
you
know,
and-
and
he
is
working
with
officers
at
at
a
meeting.
B
Okay
that
has
been
set
up-
I'll
come
to
you
in
a
minute:
Mr,
sorry,
Council,
Tomlin,
okay,
I've
got
Council
Cube
at
first
and
then
I've
got
councilor
Tomlin,
okay,
Council
James
I'll
come
back
you
in
a
minute.
Please,
okay,
cancel
Cuba.
B
F
I
completely
agree
with
everything
that
councilor
James
has
just
said.
I,
don't
believe
that
the
motion
has
been
fulfilled
by
the
events
of
Monday
night
and
when
you,
even
when
you
read
out
the
mission
that
was
agreed,
number
two
and
number
three
number
three
and
number
four
were
not
achieved
in
number
two
was
was
not
achieved
either
because
we
didn't
get
to
the
end
of
either
of
the
reports
and
I.
F
G
Thank
you,
councilor
cubitt,
I.
Think
that
the
real
point
and
answer
to
your
point
is
actually
in
section
9
of
the
report
and
I
do
refer
you
to
it.
Members,
because
section
9
of
the
report
is
really
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
on
page
51,
page
51
and
section
under
the
report.
When
we
look
at
options
analysis.
What
it's
talking
about
here
is
really
the
point
that
you're
making
is
that
the
planning
system
is
in
a
process
of
evolution.
We
are
actually
preparing
a
report,
this
report
and
all
of
our
evidence
space
is
evolving.
G
The
policies
are
evolving,
the
strategies
are
evolving.
The
purpose
of
doing
a
regulation,
18
consultation,
is
to
capture
all
of
those
comments
to
help
to
shape
the
plan.
So
the
reason
why,
as
officers,
we're
continuing
to
prepare
our
work
is
to
enable
the
council
to
to
actually
consult
with
the
community
and
seek
their
views
and
comments
so
that
it
can
also
evolve
based
on
those
views
and
comments
as
well,
and
in
the
absence
of
that
consultation,
we
won't
have
that
opportunity,
so
it
has
been
addressed
in
this
report.
F
Ary,
thank
you.
Mr
Tom,
well,
I
I
hear
you,
but
why?
Why
are
other
neighboring
authorities?
Not
interpreting
government
instructions?
F
Firstly,
in
the
same
way
and
number
two
you
make
you,
as
in
the
council
makes
a
very
bold
statement
that
it
restores
the
five-year
Supply
and
it's
clearly
clearly
untrue
that
statement,
because
none
of
the
none
of
the
sites
identified
in
this
local
Plan
update
will
be
delivered
in
the
next
five
years,
so
the
local
plan
five-year
housing
Supply,
which
is
as
a
direct
result
of
total,
abject
failure
of
this
Administration
and
this
Council
to
ensure
that
the
Strategic
sites
that
should
have
been
delivered
have
not
been
delivered.
F
This
Speedy
approach
to
the
special
strategy
is
not
going
to
ameliorate
our
five-year
housing
Supply.
G
So
the
process
of
going
through
the
local
plan
examination
is
actually
to
present
these
sites
and
at
the
point
of
making
of
a
local
plan,
it
is
made
with
a
five-year
Supply.
It's
not
actually
a
case
that
a
local
plan
would
complete
examination,
be
adopted
and
not
actually
start
the
process
with
the
five-year
Supply.
So
that's
the
reason
why,
for
this
Authority,
rather
than
actually
being
I,
will
say,
having
these
applications
come
being
made
and
I
say
having
to
respond
to
them.
G
The
best
way
for
us
to
defend
development
happening
on
sites
that
we
do
not
want
is
to
actually
secure
a
local
plan
with
our
sites,
which,
from
day
one
will
have
a
b.
Actually
a
position
of
a
five-year
land
Supply
enable
us
to
defend
those
decisions
and
actually
secure
development
in
the
borough
meeting
the
needs
of
the
community
where
they
want
them.
F
Right,
the
only
problem
is
when
we
go
through
the
sites
and
I've
read
your
document
very
comprehensively.
The
Strategic
sites
that
have
been
identified
as
a
strategic
site
is
going
forward.
All
of
them
are
at
the
back
end
of
the
local
Plan
update.
There's,
not
one.
That's
going
to
be
delivered
within
the
next
five
years,
so
I
don't
understand
how
you
can
make
that
statement,
but
nonetheless,
we
digress.
The
issue
at
hand
is
an
emotion
by
elected
members
represented
representing
our
residents.
F
We
are
democratically
elected
to
represent
our
residents
and
whatever
the
local
government
train
is
that
is
on
track,
can't
carry
on
regardless
of
the
will
of
the
residents
and
can't
carry
on
regardless
of
the
wish
of
members,
and
we,
as
members,
asked
for
a
comprehensive
evaluation.
The
water
cycle
study,
which,
by
the
way
your
officers
didn't
even
want
us
to
even
give
a
cursory
discussion
about,
was
only
because
of
our
request
that
we
got
to
come
and
it's
a
great
shame.
F
F
So
my
Mr
McIntyre
who's,
not
here
today,
was
the
one
who
had
requested
that
they'd
be
here
to
discuss
as
expert
Witnesses
and
fourthly,
I
believe
councilor
James
asked
for
updated
local
plan
policies,
because
the
local
Plan
update
only
requires
us
to
amend
those
bits
of
the
local
plan
that
are
not
going
to
be
meeting
the
needs
of
the
residents
and
what
what
what
business
they
can.
Dean
borrow
Council
in
your
department,
Ruth
have
done,
has
written
a
wholesale
rewrite
of
almost
every
single
policy
which
is
not
what's
under
the
government
requirements.
F
So
we've
had
this
exercise
where
you,
your
department,
is
effectively
written
a
brand
new
local
plan.
Despite
the
fact,
that's
not
government
requirements
and
various
members
were
involved
in
the
update,
which
were
not
required
under
government
requirement
and
councilor
James
asked
for
this
committee
to
receive
in
in
hard
copy
the
amended
policies
before
we
move
forward
because
nobody's
seen
the
final
amended
policies
that
aren't
required
by
government,
but
that
have
been
unilaterally
Changed
by
your
department.
G
G
It
doesn't
mean
sorry,
it
does
actually
involve
the
assessment
and
review
of
all
of
the
guidance
and
all
of
the
policy
landscape
that
will
have
changed
in
relation
to
those
policies
and
when
you
have,
you
know,
look
over
the
agendas
in
relation
to
the
policies
that
have
been
updated,
which
was
on
the
the
March
agenda
of
this
year.
G
It's
really
clear,
I'm,
looking
at
the
pro
formers
and
all
of
the
work
that
has
been
done,
that
what
the
officers
have
done
is
they've
suggested
changes
to
those
policies
so
that
they,
the
going
forward
our
policies,
would
align
and
that
review
process
is
necessary.
So
an
update
of
the
local
plan
and
what
the
officers
have
done
is
spot
on,
and
you
know
I
stand
behind
that
work
and
it
is
a
really
excellent
piece
of
work
and
members
received
all
of
that
in
hard
copy.
G
You
have
before
you
tonight
the
agenda
as
well,
which
has
got
all
of
the
you
know,
proposed
amendments
in
relation
to
policies.
It's
those
are
appendices
which
show
the
amended
policies
as
well
as
the
proposed
new
policies,
so
you
do
have
track
change
versions
and
I
do
I'm
of
the
view
that
you
have
got
the
materials
before
you
to
consider
those
points
in
relation
to
Monday
evening.
We
had
the
benefit
and
it
did
go
on
for
more
than
three
and
a
half
hours.
G
We
had
the
benefit
of
two
experts
who
were
commissioned
to
undertake
that
work
for
us,
and,
what's
really
important,
is
to
actually
capture
that
that
work
is
at
a
point
in
time.
It's
not
actually
the
very
last
transport
assessment
that
we'll
be
having
as
an
authority
in
relation
to
our
local
plan.
That's
going
to
be
versions
of
that
that
will
go
forward
based
on
any
changes
to
our
spatial
strategy.
G
Anything
that
comes
forward
from
your
consultations
and
anything
that
the
members
and
Community
wish
to
have
shaped
will
still
have
to
be
tested
through
a
new
transport
assessment,
update
all
the
way
through
to
regulation
19..
So
you
know
the
fact
that
you
feel
that
you
didn't
have
an
adequate
time
on
Monday
night
to
understand
all
of
the
detail
as
officers.
We
do
all
of
that
detail,
work
and
we've
ensured
that
you've
had
the
benefit
of
the
the
experts
and
there's
opportunities
after
regulation
18,
as
we
go
forward
for
those
further
engagements.
G
As
you
know,
as
that
work
evolves
in
relation
to
the
water
cycle
study,
you
know,
I'd
have
to
take
some
advice
from
Joe
on
that
I'm,
not
quite
sure.
If
there's
another
version
control
that
happens
no.
So
that
is
the
actual
version
that
we
have
and
and
we've
actually
had
the
eph
meeting,
where
we've
discussed
all
of
that,
it's
for
the
portfolio
holder
to
consider
whether
he
wishes
there
to
be
member
advisory
panels
in
relation
to
some
of
these
technical
matters.
G
But
some
of
the
matters
that
you're
asking
us
to
bring
to
a
committee
to
hold
in
this
Democratic
space
could
be
actually
undertaken
at
a
member
advisory
panel
and
and
it's
in
those
sorts
of
environments
where
members
of
the
public
who
are
deemed
to
be
experts
could
be
invited
to
present
their
their
work
and
have
that
discussed
and
questioned
and
that's
a
more
appropriate
environment
for
that.
It's
also
a
more
appropriate
environment
for
us
for
our
consultants
and
you'll
recall
the
first
time
we
discussed
the
member.
G
The
water
cycle
study
was
that
a
member
advisory
panel-
and
you
know
if
counselor
Ganesh
wishes
to
consider
setting
such
a
forum
up
then
that
might
create
the
space
for
you
to
have
more
of
those
informal
conversations
which
is
at
the
level
and
depth
that
you're
seeking
rather
than
at
the
committee.
So
that's
my
office
of
you,
but
that's
for
councilor
Ganesh
to.
B
Consider
no
no
council
Council
cubic
Council
Cubit,
please
be
quiet,
please
counselor!
No,
no!
No,
not
at
all
I
will
give
you
an
opportunity
of
asking
that
question
in
a
minute.
No,
no,
no
I,
I
I
need
that
and
and
so
be
it
okay.
But
what
I
need
to
do
before
we
come
back
to
this
because
I
I
don't
care.
There
are
things
that
I
have
to
do.
Okay
and
I
have
to
go
through
apologies
and
Replacements,
and
then
we
can
come
back
okay.
B
The
reason
why
I
took
counselor
James
first
was
because
there
was
a
a
point
of
order,
or
you
know
in
regards
to
the
motion,
so
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
announce:
okay
under
apologies
and
Replacements,
that
councilor
connector
replaces
councilor
McIntyre,
okay
and
that
councilor
Jones
is
to
replace
Council
Watts.
Okay,
now
Council
qubit.
Okay,
if
you
can
ask
your
question
very.
F
Much
I
would
like
to
ask
Ruth
first.
Firstly,
I
personally,
don't
think
mum's
advisory
panels
are
appropriate
for
some
of
those
conversations,
because
what
it
does
is
it
takes
it
behind
Public,
public
Arena
and
that's
why
you
want
it
to
be
in
a
private,
Arena
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
appropriate
I,
don't
think
it's
appropriate
for
water
cycle
study
in
the
transports.
Yeah.
B
H
I
have
to
question
cancer
qubit's
comments.
There
is
she
questioning
the
officer's
motives
on
something
I,
don't
really
feel
that's
appropriate
in
this
meeting.
G
The
point
is
that
you
can
have
substantial
amounts
of
changes
from
reggae
team
to
Reg
19.
You
could
have
sites
come
in
and
out.
You
could
have
policies
substantially
change
because
of
the
amount
of
evidence
and
evolution
of
the
process.
You
would
expect
to
actually
look
at
these
things.
Changing
housing
numbers
can
change.
G
F
G
Housing
numbers
sites
policies
I
understand
that
the
previous
time
that
this
Authority
you
know,
went
through
the
local
plan
process,
which
is
for
our
adopted
local
plan.
You
know
the
view
might
be
that
there
wasn't
a
substantial
amount
of
change,
but
that
is
not
the
process
that
we're
working
in
we're.
G
Actually,
we've
done
a
review
of
the
local
plan,
we're
wanting
to
take
that
out
to
the
community
to
get
their
views,
and
it
may
well
lead
to
some
substantial
changes
and
it
may
actually
result
in
relation
to
some
of
the
allocations,
which
is
why
this
agenda
tonight
is
so
important
for
us
to
actually
hear
your
views
have
those
reflected
to
our
portfolio
holder
so
that
we
can
actually
progress
our
work
on
that
basis.
B
Thank
you,
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
councilor
Tomlin,
please,
who
is
next
week.
Thank
you,
chair,
oh
you're,
harder
on
the
last
point.
Please.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
I'd,
like
to
quickly
pick
up
on
the
point
that
Council
Cuban
made
about
the
changes
between
reg,
18
and
Rec.
19.
I
think
we
as
certain
Authority.
We
need
to
move
on
proactively
listening
to
Residents
and
we
have
this
process
of
regulating
and
if
you
do
start
questioning
of
okay,
how
much
is
going
to
change
between
18
and
19
I
think
you've
just
heard
from
the
officer's
perspective
and
from
the
the
administration
of
or
the
cabinet
perspective.
E
I
would
like
to
make
it
clear:
okay,
we
will
listen
to
Residents
and
we
will
make
changes
if
it's
anything
related
to
the
policy,
so
if
it's
anything
related
to
the
site.
So
if
it's
anything
related
to
the
housing
number,
if
there's
any
room
for
changes,
if
that
means
a
small
or
significant,
we
will
work
on
it
and
make
the
changes
as
what
has
been
proposed.
Okay,
thank
you.
Yeah.
I
You
chair,
it's
just
going
back
and
with
the
greatest
of
respect,
I
would
argue
we
didn't
debate
the
water
cycle,
study
or
the
transport
strategy.
We
had
a
very
good
presentation.
I
We
understood
various
points
and
I
ended
up
with
a
lot
of
concerns
and
worries
and
was
not
able
to
air
them
because,
obviously
the
meeting
ran
out
of
time
and
to
my
mind
that
is
a
debate
where
members
discuss
their
concerns
such
that
we
might
form
an
opinion
that
we
either
all
agree
or
in
fact
the
concern
was
not
worthy
of
a
of
any
more
debate
to
actually
then
say,
I'm
afraid
to
get
your
questions
to
officers,
they
will
willingly
respond
well,
I'm
sure
they
would,
but
they
between
Monday
and
today,
to
get
the
questions
in
structured
form
to
the
office
and
get
an
answer
for
tonight.
I
It
was
not
ever
going
to
be
possible,
so
I
just
want
to
add
that
that
we
are
we're
running
in
a
you
know
in
a
direction
and
it's
this
I
don't
want
to
slow
things
down,
but
I
want
to
do
things
thoroughly
and
that's
my
concern
that
we're
not
doing
things
thoroughly
I'm
cutting
Corners
to
meet
some
sort
of
Target.
We
know
we're
a
year
later
with
our
plan
submission
by
the
sounds
of
it.
So
I'm
not
saying,
therefore,
it'll
be
two
years
late,
but
we're
already
going
to
be
late.
I
J
I
really
wanted
to
talk
on
what
counselor
James
said
about
Dave
George.
My
understanding
was
that
we
were
asking
Dave
George
to
help
us
as
counselors,
not
scientists,
to
interpret
that
report.
Obviously
he
did
come
and
speak
on
Monday
and
he
spoke
very
well,
but
he
spoke
very
specifically
about
whip
church.
He
was
asked
questions,
but
there
was
obviously
a
limited
time.
J
I
also
wanted
to
say
that
I
am
aware
that
there
is
a
meeting
set
up
with
church
and
Officer.
Steve
has
informed
us
of
that,
but
it's
not
until
the
end
of
August
and
I
understand
that
there
was
some
disappointment
that
it
couldn't
be
sooner.
E
Thank
you,
Council
Paris
yeah
we're
happy
to
invite
David
George
foreign
session
with
the
members
at
some
point
in
September,
following
the
meeting
with
officers
where
we
can
be
specific
on
a
particular
area
or
or
the
worldwide
or
or
just
specific,
on
any
items
on
the
paper
and
happy
to
work
with
officers
and
said
that
for
you,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
chair.
Just
a
couple
of
points
one
is
is
to
pick
up
on
the
point.
Council
Carruthers
has
made
about
David
George
I
think
we,
as
a
council
have
repeatedly
and
unanimously
suggested
that
we
should
do
what
we
can
to
challenge
the
housing
number
we've
got.
A
Indeed,
we've
got
an
expert,
a
subject
matter
expert
who
has
some
serious
concerns
about
the
water
cycle
study,
so
I
think
we
should
be
doing
everything
we
can
in
line
with
with
those
motions
that
we
passed
to
to
challenge
that
and
see
if
there
are
any
grounds
on
that
water
cycle
study
for
us
to
to
challenge
the
housing
number,
so
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
get
a
chance
to
to
speak
to
him
as
soon
as
possible.
A
My
second
point
was
around
the
the
final
bit
of
the
motion,
which
is
around
the
the
discussion
of
the
other
policies.
So
we've
got
some
policies,
some
updated
policies
in
our
pack
today,
but
we
don't
have
all
of
them,
I
think
as
we've
already
as
we've
discovered
in
the
past
half
an
hour,
there's
some
pounds
for
debate
as
to
whether
the
the
elements
of
the
motion
have
been
fulfilled
and
we've
seen
arguments
on
both
sides,
but
I
think
what
we
can't
deny
is
that
those
additional
documents
are
not
present.
A
We're
not
discussing
them
tonight.
So
my
question
is:
is
there
an
opportunity?
It's
probably
a
question
for
the
portfolio
holder?
Is
there
an
opportunity
for
us
to
discuss
those
ahead
of
this
going
to
cabinet
because
I
the
motion
seemed
to
suggest
that
we
should
be
discussing
all
of
the
policies,
not
just
the
policies
that
that
we
currently
have
in
the
pack.
Thank
you.
A
E
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
think
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
today
to
discuss
this
in
detail
and
we've
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
our
the
water
cycle
study
and
the
transport
review,
and
we
were
assured
by
the
officers
on
Monday
to
come
back
with
the
detailed
transport
assessments
between
reg,
18
and
19.
and
in
terms
of
the
spatial
strategy
policies.
We
we've
already
spent
about
half
an
hour
discussing
whether
we
should
be
discussing
about
the
paper,
so
I
think
we
should.
Probably.
E
This
is
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
move
forward
and,
like
councilor
Tomlin
mentioned,
have
a
meaningful
debate
on
what's
present.
What's
in
front
of
us,
okay,.
B
Thank
you,
I
I'd
also
just
like
to
to
ask
the
question
about
any:
are
there
any
opportunities
in
the
Civic
calendar?
Okay,
ahead
of
you
know,
potentially
September
to
to
have
extra
meetings,
because
it's
my
understanding
that
there
are
not.
B
Sorry,
members
we're
just
checking
okay
whilst
we're
checking
that
let's
go
back
to
councilor
Vatican,
please.
H
Thank
you,
chair
just
to
to
for
the
Public's
benefit,
and
those
of
officers
just
could
say
that
there
is
continuing
dialogue
with
Dave
George
through
councilor
McIntyre,
and
even
this
afternoon
we
had
an
input
from
councilman
McCormack
about
the
water
cycle
side.
So
there
there
are
internal
debates
going
on
within
us,
as
a
committee
and
I
think
that
is
is
very
beneficial
if
it
is
at
all
possible.
H
Obviously
I've
known
Dave
George
for
a
long
time
if
it
is
possible
to
have
a
map
or
some
informal
meeting,
I
think
that
would
be
useful.
But
you
know
we
do
have
a
lot
in
front
of
us.
H
The
water
cycle,
just
being
re-read
by
me
this
afternoon,
is
a
huge
piece
of
work
and
it
is,
you
know,
difficult,
and
it
will
be
difficult
for
for
our
public
to
understand
what
it
it
means,
because
it's
sort
of
suggested
that
we
could
take
more
more
development
and
that
aggregate
culture
which,
obviously
in
my
rural
world
is
is
a
big
player,
is
the
main
source
of
the
nitrates
and
phosphates
that
are
polluting
our
Rivers.
H
So
I,
just
that's
the
the
headline,
but
as
to
sort
of
customer
Cormac,
suggesting
that
we
get
down
to
62
liters
a
day,
I'm,
not
quite
sure
how
we
could
do
that.
He's
already
had
a
liter
and
a
half
himself
in
this
meeting.
C
C
I
was
going
through
those.
We
were
then
told
on
the
8th
of
June
that
those
changes
have
been
made.
So
I
said
I'd
like
to
see
sight
of
that,
because
we
weren't
going
to
be
seeing
them
before
they
went
out
so
that
you
can
either
have
sent
them
out
to
us.
That
was
part
of
the
motion.
However,
you
are
going
to
give
those,
but
we
should
have
said
we
should
see.
Those
changes.
An
example
was
I
gave
on
on
the
night
was
basing
View.
C
There
was
a
lot
of
debate
about
and
a
lot
of
concern
about
that
policy.
We
were
told
on
the
night
on
the
8th
that
the
changes
had
taken
place.
I
haven't
seen
that
I'd
like
to
see
that
before
that
goes
out
to
Pub
to
the
public,
then
in
relation
to
the
hard
copies
you
supplied
those-
and
thank
you
for
that.
In
relation
to
the
debate
on
the
water
study,
you've
heard
tonight
that
there
wasn't
a
debate,
we
had
a
presentation
from,
but
they
didn't
debate
the
report.
C
Now
you
can
say
that
you
did
or
you
didn't
that's
up
to
you.
I
mean
lit
going
forward.
I
think
it
would
have
been
wise
to
have
had
that
discussion.
We
need
to
take
people
with
us
on
this
journey
and
the
other
thing
is
what
we
we
all
wanted,
because
George
Dave
George,
it
was
just
very
sensible
what
he
was
saying.
It
made
it
possible
for
people
to
understand,
and
it
gave
us
a
feeling
of
what
was
really
happening
in
relation
to
water,
and
we
all
have
concerns
about
that.
C
We're
all
really
concerned
about
the
water
study
and
what
is
happening
in
relation
to
water,
rationing
and
as
rivers,
and
so
we
need
to
be
confident
going
forward
and
we
didn't
have
that
confidence.
Now.
My
concern
is
regardless
of
the
options.
Analysis
is
democratically.
We
had
a
motion
before
us
and
that
everybody's
supported
unanimously
and
somebody
has
made
the
decision
not
to
adhere
to
that,
and
that
worries
me
enormously.
C
Regardless
of
the
actual
documents
you
have
as
either
as
officers
or
as
the
administration,
the
chair
and
the
cabinet
member
have
made
the
decision
to
ignore
the
will
of
this
committee
and
I.
Think
that
is
wrong.
Really
wrong
and
I.
Don't
think
that
you
can
do
that
so
I'm
saying
to
you,
you
have
to
adhere
to
that.
You
can
decide
a
counselor
that
you
would
like
us
to
maybe
have
a
have
a
map
in
September.
That's
not
what
the
motion
said
and
so
I'm
saying
to
you.
C
E
Thank
you,
Council
James
I,
don't
want
to
sound
like
repeating
the
same
thing
yeah,
but
we
have
aspired
emotion.
We
have
engaged
with
David
George
and
officers
manager
set
that
meeting
up
and
if
there's
a
need
for
David
George
or
if
David,
Mr,
David
George
feel
like
okay.
He
needs
to
brief
the
members
in
a
separate
occasion
or
through
the
the
members
advisory
panel.
We
are
happy
to
set
up
that
meeting
and
the
officers
are
willing
to
set
up
the
meeting
for
you
and
I.
E
Think
that's
I,
think
I
think
we
haven't
seen
the
point
here:
we're
losing
a
great
opportunity
to
have
a
meaningful
debate
on
what
is
in
front
of
us
and
I.
Think
we
should
use
the
opportunity
to
do
give
us
our
constructive
comments
and
shape
up
the
report
and
listen
to
David
George
at
some
point
following
the
meeting
with
him
with
the
officers.
F
Ruth
just
a
supplementary
question
in
terms
of
process
in
the
event
that
we
go
through
the
reggae
team
and
substantial
changes
take
place.
Do
we
then
go
back
to
another
reggae
team
with
the
substantive
changes
so
that
our
public
get
a
second
chance
to
comment
on
the
changes
that
have
taken
place?
Or
do
we
go
straight
on
to
19,
with
the
substantive
changes
being
made.
G
It's
got
a
whole
range
of
options
which
would
need
we'd
need
to
sort
of
review
at
the
time.
So
there
are
some
authorities
and
you've
even
referred
to
them
in
Hampshire
that
are
deciding
to
go
back
and
do
second
regulation.
18
consultations,
that's
not
entirely
necessary,
depending
on
what
the
nature
of
the
changes
are,
that
we
want
to
make
and
how
extensive
they
can
be.
We
There
is
a
consultation
process
that
happens
at
regulation
19.
G
So
there's
still
going
to
be
that
opportunity
as
well
for
members
of
the
community
to
actually
note
the
changes
that
have
been
made
based
on
their
consultation
and
see
that
in
the
final,
the
final
reg19
plan.
So
you
know,
there's
there's
all
of
there's
there's
more
than
one
way
of
approaching
this
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
I'll,
say
not
box
ourselves
in
at
this
stage,
because
we
can't
be
certain
of
all
of
the
changes
that
are
necessarily
going
to
happen
and
we
haven't
yet
had
a
consultation.
G
We
haven't
yet
heard
that
feedback,
so
you
know
it's
all.
It's
all
open
to
us.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chem,
just
as
a
supplement
that
I
I
personally
I,
don't
know
what
the
other
members
feel
would
feel
sufficiently
comforted
by
the
officers.
If
you
were
to
make
an
undertaking
that,
in
the
event
that
there
are
substantial
changes
made
at
reg
18,
we
go
back
to
another
reg
18
and
on
that
basis,
I
would
be
prepared
to
proceed.
F
So
if
you
were
prepared
in
principle
to
commit
and
undertake
to
repeating
regulating
in
the
event
that
a
substantive
change
was
made,
I.E
different
sites
were
chosen
or
there
were
sites
that
were
deemed
to
be
delivering
so
late
down
the
plan
that
other
sites
were
having
to
be
brought
forward
at
the
moment
and
not
being
considered.
Then
then
I
think
members
would
feel
much
more
comfortable
about
the
process.
E
Thank
you,
chair
I
mean
thank
you
so
much
for
your
sorry
for
suggestion
and
as
the
roof
explained
that
we
are
welcome
to
oh,
we
are
open
to
discuss
all
the
options
between
18
and
19.,
but
we
don't
want
to
make
any
sort
of
an
assumption.
You
know
on
a
hypothetical
situation
to
have
okay
we're
going
to
have
X
many
changes,
which
is
significant
enough
to
go
for
another
reggae
team.
E
I
mean
if
that's
the
case,
we
will
be
open
to
see
if
there's
a
need
for
it
and
as
an
Administration
I
will
be
happy
to
work
with
the
offices.
But
at
this
point
I
don't
want
to
make
any
sort
of
an
assumption
of
okay.
We
will
be
going
for
significant
changes
and
it
will
be
consulted
with
the
residents
through
regulating
again.
B
I
can
just
interrupt
there.
It's
yeah
Tom,
so.
D
Just
just
one
further
point,
which
I
don't
think
we've
covered,
but
just
whether
it
offers
some
reassurance
as
well
in
terms
of
Rec
19.
Obviously
the
decision
to
you
know
go
forward
with
Rec.
19
would
be
a
full
Council
decision.
So
you
know
in
terms
of
that
final
decision
on
whether
to
proceed
with
the
rec
19
that
will
be
down
to
full
Council.
F
Cancer
Ganesh
I,
thank
you.
I
I
would
like
you
to
very
seriously
consider
it
being
an
undertaking
on
the
part
of
the
administration,
and
you
make
references
to.
We
wouldn't
like
to
make
a
commitment
based
on
hypotheses,
but
that's
exactly
what
we're
doing
with
regards
to
this
motorcycle
study
and
that's
exactly
what
we're
doing
with
regards
to
transport
assessment,
because
they're
all
based
on
hypothetical
modeling.
B
Thank
you,
Council
Cupid,
okay.
If
we
can
then
move
forward,
okay,
councilor
Jim,
where.
C
G
Okay,
so
what
happened?
Just
for
the
public
record,
so
in
March
we
presented
two
aph,
the
development
management
and
policies
and
I
think
that
the
questioning
councilor
James
is
asking
us
about
relates
to
having
those
policies
come
back
to
another
EPA,
which
is
that
the
policies
that
you're
referring
to
when
you
keep
on
asking.
C
Changes,
though,
and
were
they
changed,
we
don't
know
whether
we
were
changed
and
then
I
asked
at
the
meeting
we
asked
Joanne
and
Joanne
said
they
had
made
the
changes,
and
so
what
I'm
saying
is
we?
Wouldn't
she
literally?
We
wouldn't
see
them,
but
I
said
we'd
like
to
see
those
you
can
send
them
to
us
if
you
want
to,
but
we
want
to
see
those
changes
before
it
goes
out
for
consultation.
G
If
I
can,
if
I
can
just
clarify
the
officers,
work
and
proposed
work
that
we're
doing
with
the
portfolio
holder
in
taking
a
portfolio
holder
report
to
the
cabinet
meeting
of
September
is
for
a
full
clean
plan
which
actually
is
taking
all
of
the
work
that
you
did
in
March
and
those
changes
and
any
work
that
you
wish
to
do
this
evening
and
reflect
to
the
portfolio
holder
as
well
and
capturing
all
of
that
in
what
we
call
a
full
clean
plan
and
that
will
actually
show
the
work
that
you've
done.
G
I
understand
that
you
might
like
to
see
how
that
has
traveled,
and
we
would
offer
you
that
as
an
officer
to
member
during
a
meeting.
So
you
could
see
how
that
had
specifically
changed
if
you're
wanting
to
see
track
changed
versions.
But
a
full
claim
plan
is
what
would
be
appended
to
the
cabinet
report,
which
is
what
councilor
Ganesh
is
working
with
the
officers
on
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
all
of
all
of
you
know
that
feedback
has
been
reflected
in
that.
So
I
think.
C
I
think
it
was
an
April
meeting.
We
spent
a
whole
evening
on
policies,
as
we
had
on
other
evenings,
and
quite
often
you
didn't
take
on
board
those
changes.
So
what
we
wanted
to
see
is
had
you
made
had
you
on
all
of
the
policies
density.
There
was
loads
that
we
went
through.
Had
you
taken
on
board
those
changes
or
had
you
just
not
Joanne
said
you
had
and
I
just
like
to
see
them
like
I
didn't
want
to
come
in
and
then
sit
through
a
hole.
E
F
Sorry,
so,
if
I
could
just
just
finally
have
the
Constitutional
implications
of
emotion,
that's
being
proposed
seconded
unanimously
agreed
both
in
relation
to
council
James's,
one
and
in
relation
to
the
housing
numbers
and
what
are
the?
What
is
the
Constitutional
requirement
that
the
motion
is
actually
implemented.
B
K
Sorry,
thank
you.
So
if
the
decision
was
made
by
this
committee
to
do
something,
then
that's
a
decision
that
should
be
implemented.
Yes,
so
I
think
it's
difficult
to
know
at
this
moment
is
whether
you're
saying
you're
not
wanting
to
go
through
these
policies
now
and
you
want
another
meeting
to
go
through
the
outstanding
items
or
you
want
another
meeting.
You
can
go
through
these
now
and
then
want
another
meeting
to
to
capture
the
rest
of
the
mo.
The
recommendation
that
you
made
on
the
last
occasion.
F
F
That's
my
understanding
of
how
the
Constitution
operates,
but
also
in
relation
to
the
housing
numbers
which
not
only
this
committee,
but
also
full
Council,
has
rejected
the
housing
numbers.
What
happens
if
we
proceed
as
if
we
hadn't
passed
those
motions
today,
which
is,
of
course,
what
Ruth
or
Miller
and
her
team
wish
to
do
today
with
a
special
strategy
which
ignores
the
will
of
not
only
this
committee,
but
also
full
Council,
which
has
rejected
the
housing
numbers.
A
G
What
we've
made
clear
in
the
report
here
is:
it's
been
agreed
at
cabinet
to
progress
in
a
timely
manner,
but
it's
also
really
clear
that
the
council
object.
You
know,
objects
to
the
housing
number
to
the
standard
method.
Housing
number
we've
made
it
really
clear
in
this
report
that
that
is.
Actually
you
know
the
position
that
the
council's
taken
we're
preparing
a
regulation,
18
consultation
using
the
standard
housing
method
number
that
Accords
with
the
the
recommendation
that
was
agreed
and
then
it
was
for
us
to
actually
come
up
with
a
housing
paper.
G
A
further
housing
paper
to
you
know
to
actually
address
the
issues
that
were
raised
in
relation
to
the
actual
final
number
and
or
the
number
and
the
question
of
exceptional
circumstances.
So
this
report
and
I
might
have
referred
you
to
the
wrong
section,
but
this
report
actually
makes
it
really
clear
for
the
public
record.
We
do
know
and
acknowledge
that
the
council,
you
know,
doesn't
doesn't
agree
with
that
number,
but
we're
preparing
work,
which
is
to
sit
along
alongside
this
regulation.
G
E
I
think,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilor
James
I
think
eph
had
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
those
policies
and,
as
she's
rightly
asked
in
the
last
meeting,
Joe
mentioned,
there
were
changes,
so
so
the
members
were
listened
and
comments
were
taken
and
adopted
and
it'll
be
shared
with
you
before
the
decision
making
point
which
will
be
the
cabinet.
F
The
problem
is,
we've
been
through
this
process
before
and
in
fact,
I
was
following
very
closely
the
amendments
to
the
the
whole,
the
whole
wholesale
rewriting
of
our
local
plan,
basically,
which
is
what
we've
done
and
whilst
members
have
made
comments,
it
is
not
a
given
that
officers
have
accepted
them
that
that's
the
point
counselors
James
I
believe
is
getting
to,
and
the
problem
is,
is
that
I
did
actually
see
the
document
that
entailed
all
the
comments
made
by
all
the
members
in
that
map
and
then
whether
the
officers
chose
to
accept
or
reject
those
comments,
and
there
was
a
very
large
percentage
of
those
comments
made
by
members
that
were
at
right,
rejected
and
the
policy
wasn't
amended
to
reflect
the
comments
of
the
members
that
took
place
within
with
within
the
map.
F
So
there
is
a
democratic
deficit
here.
That
is
very,
in
my
opinion,
very,
very
serious,
and
the
point
about
the
Motions
is:
what
is
the
point
of
the
Motions
if
we
don't
adhere
to
them
and
one
of
the
themes
that
weaves
through
this
document
is
that
this
is
going
to
help
us
meet
our
five-year
housing,
Supply
and,
as
I
said
at
the
very
beginning,
this
meeting.
That's
absolutely
untrue.
F
Nothing
that
we
will
do
with
regards
to
this
paper
is
going
to
ameliorate
our
five-year
housing
Supply,
it's
just
not
it's
completely
unrelated,
so
a
local
Plan
update
has
got
nothing
to
do
with
meeting
the
five-year
housing
Supply.
The
problem
we
have
with
the
five-year
housing
supplies
the
Strategic
sites
this
and
those
were
identified,
and
it's
not
going
to
ameliorate
The
Five-Year
housing
Supply.
So
we
have
a
democratic
deficit.
We
have
motions
that
have
been
passed
unanimously,
both
here
around
in
forecasts
that
have
not
been
adhered
to.
F
We
are
now
working
on
a
document
as
if
those
motions
had
not
been
passed,
and
we
are
also
working
on
document
which
implies
that
we're
going
to
improve
the
five-year
housing
when
we're
not
and
even
then,
if
we
approve
the
regulation
18,
we
might
not
get
a
chance
to
go
back
to
the
public
to
do
a
proper
consultation.
Even
if
substantial
changes
are
made
because
the
council
might
choose
to
go
on
to
Reg
8
19,
where
there
will
be
almost
next
to
no
changes
whatsoever.
B
Right,
thank
you
very
much
just
before
we
we
kind
of
move
on
to
try
and
bring
this
to
to
some
form
of
clothes.
What
does
the
committee
want
to
do
tonight?
I
personally,
would
like
to
go
through
and
make
comment
on
on
this
plan,
because
I
think
we've
got
a
good
opportunity
to
to
actually
represent
our
residents
on
this,
but
I
am
one
voice.
What
does
the
committee
want
to
do.
C
I
think
we
echoed
this
at
the
last
meeting.
Didn't
we
I
think
this
is
the
concern
that
we
all
had
and
that
this
is
why
the
meeting
was
adjourned,
that
we
wanted
that
information.
We
wanted
the
opportunity
to
discuss
first
of
all,
to
have
the
water
studies
and
this
transport
study
in
hard
copy
so
because
nobody
had
it
and
they
were
all
struggling.
We
then
wanted
the
opportunity
to
discuss
it.
We
had
this
week
the
office,
the
the
authors
of
the
report,
and
there
wasn't
the
discussion
on
the
actual
documents.
C
We
haven't
seen
the
track
changes
of
the
work
that
was
done
in
the
last.
The
latest
lot
of
work
that
was
done
on
the
document
in
relation
to
policy,
so
that
hasn't
happened
and
we
haven't
had
Dave
George
in
that
we
wanted.
So
we
adjourned
the
meeting
for
that
to
happen
and
I
think
that
those
things
have
to
happen.
I
mean
I
know
that
you're
we're
saying
that
we're
we're
delayed
in
relation
to
where
we
are,
and
it's
a
year
down
the
line,
well
I'm
happy
to
come.
C
That
cabinet
will
make
a
decision
on
Reg
18..
We
won't
see
the
policies
until
they
go
to
cabinet
or
our
guest
when
they're
when
they're,
you
know
it's
we're
not
going
to
see
those.
This
is
not
good.
This
is
not
good,
and
this
is
not
how
we
do
this
in
this
committee
or
how
we
used
to
do
it
and
I
think
that
we
have
to
be
better
than
that.
L
I
just
feel
like
we
are
going
around
in
circles
and
we've
just
concentrated
too
much
on
the
water
study
and
transport
study.
I
I
understand
what
the
other
members
are
saying,
but
there's
so
much
other
things
we
need
to
discuss
in
this
as
well,
such
as
the
green
infrastructure,
the
housing
numbers
and
was
wasted.
Well,
not
weighted
I,
don't
want
to
use
the
wood
wasted,
but
we've
just
discussed
this
for
one
hour
and
whatever
you
achieved
nothing
I've
either
sort
of
go
forward
and
try
to
get
things
moving.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
councilor.
It
is
a
question.
You
know,
I
wouldn't
say
it's
been
wasted.
Okay,
members,
have
you
know
the
Democratic
right
to
actually
you
know
question
these.
These
these
points,
okay
and
therefore
a
little
bit
of
debate
has
gone
forward
before
I
move
on
to
councilor,
Tomlin
I
will
just
point
out
I'd
like
to
know
exactly
what
the
committee
wants
to
do
now,
because
we're
we're
all
here.
Okay,
it's
half
past
seven.
Okay.
What
does
the
committee
want
to
do?
I
Thank
you
chair.
Well
from
my
my
perspective.
I
I
have
concerns
of
the
water
cycle
study
without
heart,
going
into
that
in
great
detail,
but
I'm
extremely
concerned
from
what
I
read
about
whether
we
have
enough
water
available
to
drink.
Okay
and
all
of
those
strategies
we
were
presented
with
it,
we've
not
debated
it.
That
would
be
something
that
would
affect
our
housing
numbers.
It
could
be
as
an
exceptional
circumstance.
It
would
affect
all
our
policies.
I
I've
also
been,
as
you
all
aware,
asked
to
talk
to
chair
the
task
and
finish
group,
and
one
of
those
sections
it
will
look
at
will
be
the
rural
strategy
if
you
like,
and
it
will
have
a
great
it
could
depends
on
what
happens
with
members,
but
it
could
have
quite
an
impact
on
changes
to
this
now
I'm
hearing.
Obviously
we
can
make
changes
between
reg,
18
and
reg
19,
but
it's
actually
potential.
I
It's
got
the
potential
to
come
up
with
a
strategy
for
members
to
agree
before
we
even
get
to
Reg
18,
but
of
course
the
timing
is
causing
grief
so
by
by
moving
to
get
that
in
place
to
get
a
property
bait
on
water,
the
the
to
be
with
respect
the
transport
study.
I
You
just
left
me
speechless
really
for
lots
of
reasons,
so
we
need
to
really
drill
into
that
one,
and-
and
you
know,
then
we
can
start
to
look
at
some
of
the
policies,
for
instance
not
in
this
pack.
Where
are
the
again
as
councilor
James
was
saying
some
of
the
the
existing
policies
and
the
modifications
that
members
requested
that
we
haven't
seen
particularly
climate
emergency
very
apt
at
the
moment.
We
need
to
strengthen
that.
I
We
need
to
actually
be
bringing
that
back
in
and
at
least
seeing
that
we
as
a
council
are
tightening
up
our
our
frames.
We
need
to
get
those
sort
of
things
right.
The
key
policies
that
may
have
changed
because
of
the
way
the
world
is
currently
at
the
moment.
So
it's
getting
it
all
into
the
right
shape
for
one
and,
as
Council
James
again
said,
I'm
sure
members.
It's
such
an
important
thing
that
we
would
put
the
hours
in.
I
In
fact,
we
did
put
a
lot
of
hours
in
into
the
maps
and
I
have
to
say.
Sadly,
I
do
also
share
that
a
lot
of
the
valid
comments
that
I
contributed
to
I
hadn't,
seen
manifested
in
changes
or
I've,
seen
excuses
as
to
why
they
were
not
necessarily
relevant
and
I.
Don't
necessarily
understand
that
because
it
was
just
in
black
and
white,
so
I
think
we
we
need
to
fill
in
the
gaps
and
come
back
to
work
it
through
logically.
B
Thank
you,
Council
Tomlin,
okay,
I'd
like
to
give
a
right
reply
to
to
Ruth,
okay
and
then
I
will
go
to
council
McCormack.
But
again
my
question
is:
what
exactly
does
this
committee
want
to
do
this
evening?
Okay,
Bruce.
G
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
reflect
for
all
of
you
that
the
process,
when
I
say
it's
an
evolutionary
process
and
the
preparation
of
the
local
plan.
G
There
are
all
sorts
of
pieces
of
evidence
that
our
knowledge
and
depth
is
going
to
change
over
the
period
of
making
the
local
plan
and,
in
terms
of
the
changes
that
are
likely
to
you,
know,
want
to
be
made
post
and
regulation
18
consultation.
G
We
have
the
record,
we
have
the
actual
written
record
of
all
of
that
engagement
with
you
all
in
all
of
your
comments
now
it's
possible
that
some
of
those
changes
that
you're
also
of
your
also
requested
May
in
fact,
also
be
changes
that
will
be
requested
as
part
of
the
consultation
process,
and
we
would
look
and
see
and
make
those
you
know,
amendments
as
it
goes
forward.
So
what
I
wanted
to
really
assure
you
is
that
this
isn't
your
first
and
last
chance
in
relation
to
the
plan.
G
The
policies
and
tonight
is
really
actually
about
this,
the
Strat,
the
actual
spatial
strategy,
the
allocations
where
what
sites
development
would
be
happening
on.
So
this
is
actually
the
key
set
of
policies
that
you
have
before
you
tonight.
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
the
beginning
of
the
year
going
through
the
development
management
policies.
We
did
look
at
the
climate
change
policies
and
you're
going
to
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
those
again
in
the
future.
In
your
task
and
finish,
group
May
well
have
recommendations
as
well.
G
B
Thank
you,
Ruth
okay,
I've
got
Council
Vatican.
Please.
H
Thank
you
chair.
My
understanding
is
that
the
reggae
team
is
a
living
document,
so
it
can
be
changed.
You
can
add
to
it.
You
can
make
it
More
Alive
to
to
policies
or
instructions
from
central
government
and
my
residence
and
I
believe
the
residents
of
the
whole
of
the
borough
are
anxious
to
find
out
where
and
how
many
and
and
where
we're
going
to
have
policies
that
will
protect
them
from
a
speculative
development
and
that
and
I
see
a
benefit
in
getting
on
with
tonight's
papers.
Thank.
B
You
councilor
Watkin
I,
do
beg
your
pardon
Council,
McCormick.
Okay,
you
know,
I
can
only
apologize.
M
That's
right
cheer
in
terms
of
what
we
should
do
tonight.
I
think
we
we
should
be
discussing
the
papers
in
front
of
us
tonight,
but
I
also
think
that
we
should
take
the
opportunity,
if
it's
all
possible,
to
revisit
the
water
cycle
study.
Not
least
Council
Tomlin
Echo
comments
that
I
put
in
an
email
tonight.
We've
had
some
quite
dramatic
events
in
the
last
few
days
with
the
environment
agency,
making
controversial
proposals
to
extract
more
water
from
the
river
test
than
can
sustain
its
Wildlife.
M
Now
that
wasn't
I
didn't
see
that
as
part
of
the
water
cycle
study,
but
I
think
we
should
take
that
opportunity
to
revisit
it,
and
I
am
a
firm
believer
that
it's
easier
for
us
to
do
it
earlier
in
the
process
than
later
I'd
take
on
board
that
we
might
be
able
to
rewrite
the
local
plan
after
the
regulation,
18
consultation
stage,
but
I
think
if
we
do
need
to
have
another
meeting
of
this
committee,
then
so
be
it
I'm
not
enthralled
about
the
prospect
of
having
lots
of
meetings
in
the
committee,
but
I
think
there's
sufficient
numbers
of
people
here
expressing
concern
that
we
should
do
that
and
and
make
the
time
to
do
that.
E
Thank
you,
councilor
McCormick
I
agree
that
there
were
some
valuable
comments
in
my
life
from
David
George
and
in
the
previous
eph,
and
we
should
be
listening
to
experts,
Like,
Larry,
George
Moore,
and
we
should
be
accommodating
their
constructive
feedback
and
comments
into
as
part
of
our
work
that
we've
been
doing
as
a
committee
as
well
as
the
council,
so
I
said,
I
don't
want
to
sound
repeating
the
same
again
that
I
mentioned
to
councilor
James.
E
So
so
we've
set
up
this
meeting
with
David
George
in
August,
following
that
meeting,
I'm
happy
to
work
with
officers
and
set
up
a
map
where
those
comments
can
be
sort
of
listened
again
from
David
George
to
the
members
or,
if
you
do
have
any
sort
of
a
do,
need
a
more
of
a
debrief
of
the
paper,
so
I'm
sure
he
should
be
able
to
brought
in
and
give
that
opportunity.
B
Thank
you,
councilor
okay,
I
have
to
say
just
just
from
my
perspective.
Okay,
I
I
think
that
if
we
don't
discuss
this
paper
tonight
and
debate
this
paper
tonight,
I
think
we
are
missing
a
huge
opportunity.
Okay,
you
know
and
I
think
we
will
probably
be
doing.
B
You
know
a
lot
of
our
residents
a
bit
of
a
Mis
service,
because
the
paper
is
here
it's
in
front
of
us,
okay
and
it
will
be
going
out
to
you
know:
public
consultation,
I
I
am
concerned
that
that,
should
we,
as
a
committee,
decide
not
to
pass
comment
on
it
on
this
tonight.
Okay,
that
that
we
won't
have
a
clear
opportunity
to
debate
this
again.
However,
Council
Cubit,
please
yeah.
F
I
just
want
to
correct
councilor
ratigan
who
who
said
that
if
we
didn't
proceed
with
the
papers
tonight
that
it
would
result
in
lots
of
speculative
development,
nothing
that
we're
going
to
yesterday,
nothing
weird,
nothing
we're
doing
tonight.
Nothing
cannot.
F
He's
well
I
I
suggest
he
listens
to
the
YouTube
because
he
implied
to
his
residence
for
the
sake
of
clarity
that
if
we
didn't
proceed
tonight
that
there
would
be
speculative
planning
application
that
would
come
forward.
Nothing
we
will
do
tonight
will
prevent
those
speculative
applications
from
coming
forward.
H
I
thought
thank
you,
chair
I,
just
I
was
talking
about
my
residents
and
other
residents
who
are
anxious
about
their
settlements
and
for
the
possible
development
and
for
the
numbers
that
may
come
forward.
That
is
why
I
think
we
should
be
debating
this
tonight
that
that's
my
point.
A
You
very
much
I
I
note
the
portfolio
holders
agreement
now
to
hold
a
further
meeting
with
Dave
George
I
think
everyone
agrees.
We
want
the
opportunity
to
question
him
more
could
I
also
because
I
I
think
the
suggestion
of
doing
it
as
a
map
and
doing
it
as
a
map
after
the
cabinet
meeting
is,
is
too
little
too
late
and
I
could
I
ask
the
portfolio
holder
to
reconsider
that
and
see
if
we
can
do
this
in
the
public
forum
at
some
point
before
this
goes
to
Cabinet,
please.
E
Thank
you,
councilor
kanishka,
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
sort
of
a
constitutional
Arrangement
around
how
map
work
if
there
is
a
room
and,
after
speaking,
to
officers
I'm
happy
to
get
back
to
you
on
that,
because
it's
very
important
we
bring
David,
George
and
listen
to
his
expertise
and
it's
important
all
the
eph
members
given
an
opportunity
to
sort
of
a
debrief,
their
water
cycle
study
and
their
comments
were-
and
this
is
not
end
of
end
of
the
process.
So
this
is
an
evolving
process.
E
This
is
just
the
beginning
of
the
whole
cycle,
study
being
shared
and
the
members
were
listened
or
given
an
opportunity.
This
is
an
ongoing
process
so
as
part
of
the
process,
if
that
possible
the
priority,
the
the
cabinet
meeting,
if
we
can
set
up
our
map
working
with
offices,
I
will
work
with
officers
to
do
that.
B
N
No
I'm
new,
but
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
I'm
sitting
here
thinking,
obviously,
carriers
in
my
world,
which
all
and
it
seems
to
me
part
of
this
problem-
is
we're
trying
to
put
too
much
through
on
one
meeting
and
listening
to
everybody
here,
you
know:
I've
been
around
a
long
time
when
we've
done
local
plans,
and
this
is
no
disrespect
to
the
officers
I.
Don't
because
I
don't
sit
on
this
committee,
but
it
seems
an
absolute
mess.
N
Anybody
listening
to
this
tonight,
you
know
just
I
wonder
what
the
hell's
going
on
and
I
think
really
we
as
counselors
have
to
have
the
final
say
it
can't
be
we'll
pass
it
on.
We
pass
it
on
that's
what
I'm
listening
to
I
may
be
wrong.
You
can
shoot
me
down
in
flames
if
I
am
and
I'm
not
having
to
go
at
you,
as
chairman,
you're
doing
a
good
job
trying
to
get.
N
I'm
glad
I'm
not
there,
but
I'll
just
make
the
comment.
I
think
at
the
moment
we're
doing
nobody
any
favors.
We
keep
on
referring
referring
we're
here
for
the
people
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
we're
arguing
amongst
ourselves
if
it
means
another
meeting
and
everybody
on
this
committee
has
to
have
one
and
we
delay
the
going
out
to
the
public
for
for
a
week
two
weeks.
So
be
it
if
we're
struggling
as
counselors
to
understand
it.
How
is
the
public
gonna
understand
it?
That's
what
we've
got
to
remember:
I'll,
leave
it
at
that.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilor
Jones,
Okay
and
I
I
have
to
say
I
I
appreciate
the
comments
on
on
sharing
a
difficult
meeting.
Okay,
I'm
sure
you
will
have
plenty
of
meetings.
Equally,
it's
difficult,
okay,
as
chair
of
scrutiny.
B
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
you
know
I
I'm,
going
to
ask
the
the
committee
again?
What
do
you
want
to
do
tonight?
Okay,
are
we?
Are
we
going
to
debate
this?
Okay?
Are
we
going
to
review
and
comment?
Okay,
this
plan
is
I,
believe
I
I
think
we
should
or,
alternatively
does
the
committee
want
to
delay
it.
C
It
wasn't
that
we
requested
that
the
officers
met
with
Dave
George.
We
wanted
him
to
come
to
the
committee,
and
so
I
would
I
would
like
those
things
to
take
place,
we're
being
asked
to
make
decisions
on
sites,
and
that
will
be
based
on
the
evidence
that
we're
we're
being
what
was
before
us,
and
so
I
would
like
to
have
that
evidence.
I
would
like
to
feel
confident
in
deciding
what
sites
is
which
church
in
is
which
church
out
of
which
church
is
out.
What
does
that
then
mean
in
relation
to
sight?
C
C
J
J
I
understand
what's
happening,
I
understand
what
we're
talking
about,
but
we're
going
around
in
circles
and
I.
There's
there's
lots
in
this
tonight
that
affects
my
residence
directly
I'd
like
the
opportunity
to
look
at
and
I
know.
They
would
certainly
like
that
done.
At
the
same
time,
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
over
unanswered
questions.
J
I
think
we
should
make
a
start
on
this,
but
I
feel.
If
we
do
that,
we
need
to
draw
a
line.
We
need
to
say
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
for
so
long
tonight.
We
need
to
give
it
justice.
We
need
to
not
try
and
get
through
this
in
one
night,
because
that
would
be
ridiculous.
J
We've
got
an
enormous
amount
of
information
here
that
I
have
no
doubt
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
Conversation,
Over
I
think
we
would
need
to
take
it
to
a
certain
time,
so
we
can
give
it
justice
and
talk
about
it
before
we
all
get
too
tired
and
worn
out
to
give
it
proper,
Justice
and
I
think
we
need
to
then
reconvene
and
continue
having
had
a
map
or
a
meeting
with
Dave
George
that
we
can
then
go
back
to
some
of
the
areas
that
perhaps
we
haven't
yet
got
the
answers
on
that's
my
view.
B
Sorry,
members
just
having
a
chat
with
officers:
okay,
councilor
katachka,
please.
L
Thank
you,
chair
I,
like
my
fellow
counselor
I,
do
also
have
a
issue
with
sort
of
numbers
of
housing,
Etc
and
my
residents
are
really
concerned
about
that.
It's
not
only
that,
but
it's
also
about
other
infrastructure
stuff,
like
the
green
infrastructure,
creating
jobs,
Etc,
there's
loads
of
different
things.
We
need
to
discuss
that
will
be
included
in
this
plan
or
potentially
be
included
and
we're
going
around
talking
about
the
water
study
and
all
that
yes,
I,
agree
it's
important,
but
at
the
same
time
all
this
other
stuff
is
important
as
well.
L
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
So
again
has
anybody
else
got
any
further
comments.
We've
got
comments
from
councilor
James
that
she'd
like
to
delay.
Okay,
are
there
any
other
comments
or
are
the
members
of
the
committee
prepared
to
continue
and
and
and
start
commenting
on
on
this
particular
special
strategy?
O
Yeah
in
this
report,
as
we
discussed
there
are
so
many
gray
areas,
so
I
would
suggest
if,
before
we
go
ahead
with
this
report,
we
need
Clarity
on
those
points.
So,
in
my
opinion,
better
delay
this
and
get
clarity
on
all
those
points
and
then
go
ahead.
B
F
K
F
F
K
We've
met
the
motion.
I
need
to
make
another
decision
tonight
to
decide
whether
you
want
to
follow
that
one,
the
original
one
or
you
want,
or
you
want
to
go
through
the
papers
that
are
on
tonight
and
perhaps
have
another
meeting
to
go
over
the
outstanding
items
that
are
from
the
original
motion
recommendation.
B
Foreign
okay,
so
if
we
take
it
bit
by
bit,
okay,
if
we
can
have
a
show
of
Hands-On
on
who
believes
that
the
the
the
motion
has
not
been
carried
out
from
not
the
last
meeting
but
the
previous
meeting,
okay,
that
we,
the
9th
of
June
thank
you,
okay,
and
that
we
should
not
be
progressing
and
until
we've
we've
tidied
up
that
motion.
Okay,
could
we
please
have
a
show
of
hands.
B
Thank
you,
councilors,
and
those
against
that
that
recommendation.
B
Well,
thank
you
right,
so
so
going
back,
okay
through
them
through
the
motion.
Okay,
what
the
committee
is
saying
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong-
is
that
they
want
the
tract
changes.
Okay
for
the
policies,
okay,
sharing
with
the
committee,
is
that
correct.
First
of
all,
we.
C
C
We
don't
know
what
happened
to
those
they
just
sort
of
disappeared,
we'd
like
to
know,
but
what
do
they
look
like
now?
Did
you
know
that?
That's
what
we
wanted
to
know
have
they
been
changed
on?
Did
they
not
get
changed
so
when
you're
talking
about
density?
When
you
were
talking
about
the
green
infrastructure,
when
you
were
talking
all
of
the
policies
that
we
discussed
that
night
and
there
was
loads,
what
did
they
look
like
so
that
we
can
then
comment
on
the
spatial
strategy?
C
B
So
we
make
sure
we
have
them
covered,
please,
okay,
so
the
track
changes.
Okay,
we
can
supply
that
okay
and
share
that
okay
with
with
all
all
members,
so
that
was
that
was
the
first
one.
The
second
one
was
to
arrange
a
meeting
with
with
Dave
George,
okay,
so
that
you
can
explain
the
water
cycle
study
to
us.
Okay,
is
that
correct.
C
In
his
presentation
on
the
8th,
he
said
that
there
was
a
piece
of
work
that
they
had
commissioned
as
the
conservation
group
and
they
were
doing
and
then
in
relation
to
working
with
the
borough
and
working
with
the
environment
agency,
and
he
then
talked
about
what
he
could
do
to
support
us.
And
we
wanted
to
hear
that
evidence
and
we
wanted
to
also
for
him
to
come
along
and
give
his
view
of
the
water
study
and
his
View
and
his
concerns
from
that
perspective.
C
And
we
all
wanted
that
and
we
all
found
it
really
helpful
in
the
language
that
he
spoke.
And
so
we
wanted
to
have
an
opportunity,
as
members
in
the
committee
to
hear
that
now
it
would
have
been
useful
and
possibly
not
having
the
transport
Study.
Last
week
this
week
on
Monday,
but
having
the
two
different
perspectives
on
the
water
study
and
then
there's
a
map
and
I
know
that
councilor
has
done
a
lot
of
work
here
on
reading
the
study
and
wants
to
ask
wants
to
discuss
it
and
lots
of
people
do
I'm.
B
James,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
I'm
being
advised
that
we
can
arrange
a
meeting
with
with
Dave
George
okay
to
bring
him
here,
okay,
but
that
will
be
in
September.
C
We're
going
out
you're
going
out
for
consultation
and
we
haven't
commented.
We
want
to
make
those
comments
and
that's
what
we've
said.
We
wanted
the
meeting
adjourned
so
that
we
could
have
this
information
and
then
come
back.
There
was
no
reason.
Why
can't
we
have
this
meeting
next
week?
What
what's
the
the
problem?
Because.
B
My
understanding
is
that
you
know
formal
meetings
have
to
be
given
five
clear
days:
okay
and-
and
we
don't
have
just
just
hold
on
okay,
because
I've
also
been
advised
that
we
can't
actually
have
meetings
in
August.
Okay.
B
So
therefore
that
wipes
August
out,
we
have
a
work
program
and
a
meeting
in
September
and
I
have
just
been
advised
that
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
bump
that
that
agenda
back
down
into
into
another
meeting.
So
we
can
have
just
start.
So
we
can
have
the
meeting
okay
on
the
1st
of
September
with
David
George.
If
he's
available,
okay,
Castle
cubic.
K
B
There
we
go
okay,
so
so
we
can,
we
can
arrange
okay,
a
meeting
with
with
Dave
George
and
see,
if
he's
available
for
the
first
of
September,
okay,
okay,
so
so
that
that
that
covers
those
areas.
Okay,
so
then
moving
further
on
okay,
sorry,
council
qubit
did
you
have
a
you're
hand
raised
so
I
just
saw
you
in
the
corner
of
my
eye.
That
was
all
so
then
moving
forward.
Okay,
we
will
have
covered.
B
You
know,
or
hopefully
asked
the
questions
on
the
water
cycle,
study,
okay
and
then
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
arrange.
Another
meeting
to
you
know
come
back
for
the
local
update
spatial
strategy
for
Reg
18..
Okay!
Is
that
what
we
want
for
people
as
well
as
Council
rattingham
Chuck.
H
Can
I
suggest
that
we
do
have
a
meeting
before
it
goes
to
the
cabinet?
I
think
you
know
the
input
would
be
useful
and
obviously
it
is
more
meetings,
but
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
have
Dave
George
on
the
first
and
us
on
the
third
and
the
fifth,
is
the
the
date
for
the
cabinet
meeting
or
have
an
early
meeting
or
change
cabinet
for
to
two
days
later,
I
I
think
it
would
be
useful
for
this
whole
committee
to
make
sure
that
we
get
as
much
input
as
we
can
into
that
cabinet
meeting.
B
Thank
you.
Council
I
was
listening,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
nods
of
approval
from
from
officers.
B
Okay,
so
we
we
have
an
agreement
to
a
meeting,
a
public
meeting,
a
vph
with
David
George
on
the
1st
of
September,
sorry,
the
first
week
of
okay,
and
so
so.
Therefore,
that
will
hopefully
give
members
some
reassurance,
okay,
that
the
water
cycle
is
going
forward.
Do
we,
as
a
committee?
Okay,
want
I,
don't
cancel
cubic?
Do
we
as
committee?
B
A
B
As
I
understand
it,
there
is
the
fifth.
However,
I
am
concerned,
okay,
that
there
will
be
questions
from
the
water
cycle
study
which
we
will
not
have
chance
to
to
work
into
to
any
any
papers.
Okay,
but
if
we
want
another
meeting
on
the
fifth
I'm
happy
to
push
that
forward,
so
we
have
the
first
and
then
and
then
the
fifth
and
then
the
fifth
of
September.
Is
that
agreeable
with
the
committee?
Is
that
what
we
want
to
do.
B
Certainly
so
we
have
a
meeting
on
the
first
okay,
where
we
can
meet
with
Dave
George.
If
he's
available,
okay
and
then
okay,
what
we
do
is
we
have
a
meeting
to
discuss
the
spatial
strategy?
Okay,
this
this
paper
here,
okay
after
that
meeting
with
with
Dave
George
okay.
Well,
we
can
ask
him
the
questions
on
the
water
cycle,
study,
okay
and
so
therefore,
on
the
fifth
okay,
which
will
be
ahead
of
the
cabinet
meeting.
Then
we
review
and
comment
the
spatial
strategy.
Okay,
is
that
amenable
to
the
committee.
C
B
It's
more
in
in
the
council
leader,
I
I
do
not
have
the
power
to
to
actually
do
that.
I
can
request
it.
Okay,
but
I
can't
okay,
you
know,
move
that
meeting
you.
Naturally,
that
is
not
my
my
meeting
to
give
Council
Ganesh.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
think.
The
concerns
you
have
is
very
valued,
genuine
and
I'm
happy
to
clear.
If
there's
anything
that
concerns
you
to
bring
experts
or
to
bring
papers
and
clear
them
all
so
the
two
key
issues
that
was
part
of
the
motion
that
the
the
committee
believed
that
weren't
compliance
or
or
not
fulfilled
as
bad
emotion.
E
What
was
around
the
policies
which
officers
agreed
to
share
in
the
first
week
of
September
with
the
track
changes,
and
the
second
was
the
water
cycle
study
where
we
get
some
sort
of
debrief
or
expert
advice
from
David
George,
which
we
are
happy
to
do
it
on
the
first
week
of
September.
So
if
these
two
are
are
fulfilled,
okay,
the.
What
we
have
in
front
of
is
the
spatial
strategy.
E
So
we
have
an
opportunity
to
shape
the
paper
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
and
I'm
happy
to
sort
of
listen
to
and
take
the
comments
and
I
get
your
point
that
you
probably
might
want
to
discuss
this
at
some
point
in
September.
E
But
if
there
is
an
opportunity
to
discuss
in
September,
we
could
but
I
I
mean
I
said
as
a
as
someone
sitting
and
listening
to
all
your
concerns,
I
think
we
will
probably
might
end
up
in
the
same
kind
of
situation
with
very
less
time
or
without
any
sort
of
a
time
to
discuss
this
in
detail.
So
we
should
make
a
start
on
this
special
strategy
and
have
a
meaningful
debate
that
you
all
want
to
have
today,
but
it's
down
to
the
comments
to
make
a
decision.
B
You
very
much
councilor
so
with
all
the
assurances
that
the
committee
have
received
tonight.
Okay,
that
we
have
a
meeting
organized
with
Dave
George
for
the
first
of
September,
if
he's
available,
and
then
we
then
look
okay,
which
is
the
eph
scheduled
meeting
okay,
so
we
will
bump
the
agenda
from
from
that
meeting.
B
We
then
okay
have
the
5th
of
September
okay,
which
is
a
free
free
data
at
the
moment,
okay,
where
we
can
then
debate
the
spatial
strategy
after
having
time
okay
to
to
read,
digest,
okay
and
and
understand
everything
that
Dave
George
has
said,
okay,
so
so
we
then
have
the
spatial
strategy
debate,
okay,
on
the
5th
of
September,
which
is
then
in
time
for
the
cabinet
meeting
on
the
6th
of
September.
B
Okay,
so
I
I
understand
that
you
know
the
the
basically
the
the
meeting
that
we
had
on
Monday,
okay,
which
we
we
unfortunately
didn't
complete
the
work
there.
One
of
the
actions
was
any
questions
on
the
water
cycle
study
to
be
be
put
in
in
writing
to
an
email
to
to
Joe
copying
in
me,
okay
and
then
what
we'll
do
is.
We
will
make
sure
that
those
questions
are
answered
and
to
ensure
that
those
answers
are
then
put
into
the
public
domain.
B
Okay
of
that
particular
meeting
as
I
understand
it
that
was
deemed
acceptable
for
for
the
committee
okay
on
Monday
evening,
so
so,
therefore,
that
that
covered
okay,
the
water
cycle
study
with
the
the
traffic
okay
study,
okay,
the
the
study
that
we
have
at
the
moment-
okay,
that's
in
front
of
us-
has
a
bit
of
evidence
for
the
for
the
for
the
reg18
okay
is
is
almost
like
an
interim
study
based
on
the
potential
effects.
B
Okay
of
of
the
the
specific
sites
in
you
know,
in
this
spatial
strategy.
Here,
okay
and
I
think
there
were
a
number
of
questions
from
myself.
Okay
about
the
modeling.
However,
you
know
the
the
the
gentleman
from
the
consultant
who
wrote
the
report.
Okay,
what's
the
question
quite
extensive
and
as
I
understand
it?
Okay,
all
questions
were
okay,
we're
exhausted,
so
that
was
debated
there.
Okay,
so
so
that's
the
transport.
B
You
know
impact
study
and
then,
when
we
moved
to
regulation
19
as
I
understand
it,
there
will
be-
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
there
will
be
another
full
transport
assessment,
okay,
which
you
know
will
then
come
to
this
committee
for
comment
because
we
will
need
to.
We
all
need
to
comment
on
on
that
particular
transport
assessment,
which
will
be
based
on
the
sites
based
on
the
reg19
plan.
B
B
Okay,
Council
ratigan.
H
Chair,
thank
you.
That
was
a
very
helpful
comment
on
the
transport
impacts.
Review,
I,
I,
have
to
say,
I
was
content
with
Monday's
review
of
that
and
was
happy
that
we
had
discussed
it
in
pretty
full
detail,
especially
on
the
roads
and
the
implications
of
of
where
there
might
come
forward,
and
obviously
we
haven't
yet
quite
decided
where
our
spatial
strategy
is
landing
us
with
with
development.
So
I
was
content
as
it
was,
but
I
will
take
the
the
committee's
opinion.
B
B
Okay,
I'm
just
being
reminded
that
it
is
dependent
on
the
Consultants
being
available.
Okay,
if
the
Consultants
are
available,
can
we
get
them
back
for
final
questions?
So,
yes,
we
will
ask
okay,
okay!
Is
there
any
anything
else?
Okay,
so
just
to
just
to
recap:
okay,
and
is
the
committee
agreed
okay,
so
I
want
a
decision
here
that
what
we
do
is
that
we
we
adjourn
this
meeting
okay.
We
then
have
a
meeting
on
September
1st,
where
we
invite
David
George
to
give
a
presentation
and
also
answer
questions
on
the
water
cycle.
Study.
B
Okay,
is
that
agreed?
Yes,
yes,
okay
and
then
okay,
we
have
the
5th
of
September,
where
we
reconvene
this
adjourned.
Meeting.
Okay,
where
we
discuss
the
spatial
strategies
for
the
reg18
okay,
which
is
you
know
one
night
ahead
of
the
cabinet
meeting?
Is
that
agreed.
C
E
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
think
it's
very
good
point
I,
think
that's
the
reason:
I
I'm
trying
to
sort
of
demonstrate
the
necessity
to
make
start
on
special
strategy
debate
now
or
today.
If
that
is
the
case,
then
the
comments
can
be
captured
as
part
of
the
cabinet
paper
by
the
offices
and
can
be
accommodated
so
I
I
think
I
have
herb
said
a
few
times.
E
It's
very
important
to
give
your
constructive
comments
and
views
on
spatial
strategy,
and
it
is
important
that
we
we
accommodate
all
those
comments
and
offices
take
note
of
those
prior
to
decision-making
point
which
is
the
cabinet
and
I
I,
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
start
or
make
start
on
the
special
strategy
today,
if
there's
an
agreement
between
the
among
the
committee.
Thank
you.
If.
B
B
E
Thank
you,
councilor
James
I
think
we
have
first
of
September
it's
unfortunate
that
we
can't
have
any
sort
of
committee
meetings
during
August.
So
if
there's
an
opportunity,
we
can
discuss
on
the
same
night
as
we
have
the
presentation
from
David
George.
E
That
probably
might
give
us
enough
or
sufficient
time
to
continue
so
so,
for
example,
if
we
make
start
to
die
and
adjourned
the
meeting
as
soon
as
we
finish
the
presentation
or
discussion
or
debate
with
David
George,
that
could
give
us
a
little
bit
of
a
time
or
at
least
four
days,
the
prayer
to
the
cabinet
meeting.
If,
if
the
members
agree,
as
a
committee.
H
You
chair
can
I
make
a
suggestion
that
we
demand
that
the
whole
cabinet
arrived
here
on
the
5th
of
September
to
listen
to
what
we
say
and
then
they
will
understand
what
we
are
aiming
for.
So
all
eight
of
them
Rock
up
here
and
listen
to
us,
and
then
there
won't
be
any
possibility
of
any
non-understanding
of
where
we're
trying
to
move
this.
E
Thank
you,
Council
writing,
I.
Think
that's
a
really
good
suggestion,
because
to
have
all
the
decision
makers
on
the
chamber,
listen
to
you
from
facade,
but
I
will
make
the
request
to
every
single
Cabinet
member
subject
to
the
available
term
of
the
day.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
Okay,
so
councilor
Peter,
please.
O
To
ask
you
this
question
you
mentioned
if
David
George
is
available,
if
he's
not
available,
do
we
have
a
plan
B.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
asking
a
very
tough
question
at
this
particular
time.
I
do
not
believe
we
do,
because
we
need
to
get
in
contact
with
Dave
George.
Hopefully,
he's
he's
watching
this
on
on
on
YouTube,
okay
and
hopefully
he
will
be
able
to
clear
his
diary,
but
at
this
particular
time
the
answer
is
no.
E
Thank
you,
councilor
Peter.
We
will
work
everything
possible
to
bring
David
George
in
for
our
first
of
September,
subject
to
his
availability
of
the
time,
but
if
he
is
not
available,
but
he
has
agreed
to
meet
with
offices
during
August,
so
we
are
happy
to
capture
everything
and
share
with
you
in
advance
if
he
is
not
available
for
us
to
September
as
an
alternative
as
a
plan
B,
as
you
suggested.
Thank
you.
C
B
Okay,
so
therefore
it
is
the
committee
happy,
okay
again,
and
you
know,
I
I
would
like
and
agreed,
okay
or
or
at
least
some
indication
that
the
committee
is
Happy.
Okay,
that
we
adjourn
this
meeting
okay
and
then
we
meet
okay
on
the
first
to
to
question.
David
George
hold
on
okay,
and
then
we
potentially
have
some
may
have
some
time
after
that
presentation,
but
I
do
want
to
give
David
George
okay
as
much
time
as
he
needs
to
be
able
to
fully
answer
everyone's
questions.
B
Okay,
on
the
water
cycle,
study,
okay,
so
then
we
would
debate
okay,
the
the
spatial
strategy
on
the
5th
of
September,
hopefully
with
the
full
cabinet's
attendance,
okay
and
then
okay
on
the
sixth,
there
will
be
the
cabinet
meeting.
Okay,
are
we
happy
with
that?
First
of
all,
okay,
and
secondly,
do
members
want
to
start.
You
know
the
spatial
strategy
tonight,
while
we
we
have
everyone
here.
Okay-
and
you
know
the
the
meeting
is
in
progress,
cancel
qubit.
F
My
only
comment
at
this
juncture
to
that
question
about
are
we
happy
about
it
is
that
a
meeting
one
day
before
a
cabinet
whose
papers
have
been
published
is
not
going
to
change
outcomes,
but
that's
my
I
mean
it.
It's
basically
a
tick
box
exercise
because
there's
nothing
that's
going
to
be
changed
substantially
in
those
cabinet
papers
from
a
meeting
the
day
before.
E
Thank
you,
councilor
Cubit
I.
Take
your
valid
point.
That
was
exactly
the
reason.
I
was
asking
the
committee
if
they
are
happy
to
make
a
start
on,
have
a
meaningful
debate
on
what
is
in
front
of
us.
That's
one.
The
second
is
to
have,
as
suggested
by
Council
ratigan,
to
have
all
the
decision
makers
in
here
in
the
chamber.
Listening
to
you,
the
entire
debate
that
will
have
some
sort
of
an
implication
on
the
decision
making
next
day.
E
So
we
have
two
sort
of
I
wouldn't
say
opportunity,
but
it
is
a
great
way
forward
to
take
your
real
concern.
I
completely
agree
with
your
concern,
but
we
have
two
opportunities.
One
is
to
make
start
on
the
debate
today
and
have
all
the
decision
makers
on
5th
of
September.
Thank
you.
B
N
From
my
perspective,
I
won't
be
at
your
next
meeting,
so
I
sooner
you
didn't,
but
on
a
sideline,
if
you
see
where
I'm
coming
from,
but
it's
surely
the
rest
of
this
committed,
you
can't
just
sit
there
and
be
quiet,
they've
got
to
say
one
way
or
to
other
really
otherwise.
We're
gonna
look
a
bit
silly.
If
we
don't
actually
make
a
decision.
B
Correct,
thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Jones,
however
I
do
want
to
say
that
you
know,
while
you're
here
in
the
committee
representing
your
residence,
your
Viewpoint
is
extremely
valid
and
just
as
valid
as
if
you
were
you'd,
been
here
all
along
the
way.
Okay,
so
please,
you
know
I'm
just
as
interested
as
hearing
your
comments.
Okay,
on
the
spatial
strategy,
as
anybody
everybody
else
is,
but
what
I'd
like
to
do
is,
if
necessarily
I,
will
do
a
roll
call.
Okay
of
members,
okay,
to
see
what
wants
to
happen?
B
Okay,
you
know,
okay,
so,
let's
start
with
councilor
Tomlin,
please!
Okay,
do
you
want
to
discuss
the
spatial
strategy
tonight.
C
Are
there
any
policies
here
that
are
in
that
you
could
look
at
that
are
not
going
to
be.
You
know
that
are
there
policies
that
you
were
wanting
to
change
on
pages
there
are
they?
How
were
you
going
to
take
the
meeting
tonight
in
relation
to
we're
going
to
take
it
Page
by
Page,
or
how
are
you
going
to
do
it.
C
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
was
going
to
take
it
section
by
section,
okay,
to
give
everybody
the
opportunity
of
of
questioning
other
policies,
but
if
I
remember
correctly
in
just
a
couple
of
minutes
ago
or
maybe
10
15
minutes
ago,
you
were
saying
that
you
wanted
the
to
see
the
track
changed
policies.
B
C
Okay,
like
the
officer
was
saying
there
are
some
policies
in
here
that
we
hadn't
seen
and
we
hadn't
discussed
so
I'm
saying:
did
you
want
to
discuss
those
but
I
think
we'll
be
compromised?
Let's,
let's
adjourn
the
meeting.
B
I
am
just
being
advised
bosses.
These
spatial
policies
are
the
first
time
that
we've
we've
actually
seen
them.
Okay,
yeah
yeah.
Okay,
so
you
know
I
I
will
be
happy
to
to
to.
You
know,
put
the
committee
debates,
those
okay,
Council
Jones,
you've
already
said:
okay,
what
you
feel
councilman
Cuomo,
please.
M
L
J
Thank
you,
chair,
I'd,
like
to
make
a
start,
but
I'd
like
to
do
it
with
the
agreement
that
that's
all
we're
doing
we're
making
a
start.
It's
already,
half
eight
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
giving
it
the
proper
time
it
needs
I'm,
also
a
little
bit
concerned
that
once
you've
had
these
other
meetings
in
September.
J
A
That
said,
I
think
it's
difficult
for
us
to
debate
this
without
having
seen
all
of
the
evidence
and
having
the
discussion
having
the
expert
input.
So
I
am
mine's
a
reluctant
delay,
foreign.
B
Thank
you
very
much
I'm,
just
to
basically
give
my
permission
or
position.
I
am
for
the
debate.
Okay
to
take
care,
take
place
tonight.
However,
okay,
as
a
result
of
the
the
straw
poll,
there
are
seven
councilors
okay
that
have
said
that
they
want
to
survey
okay.
There
are
four
councilors
okay
that
they
they
want
to
debate.
So
the
the
delays
have
it.
Okay,
just
hold
on.
Please.
B
Okay,
so
it's
just
a
okay,
so
it's
just
a
recommendation.
Okay,
so
therefore
it's
a
recommendation
of
this
committee
tonight
that
we
delay
discussing,
unfortunately,
the
the
spatial
strategy
for
the
rug,
18
consultation.
B
And
and
and
basically
we
will
adjourn
to
the
fifth
of
of
September
okay.
K
B
No,
that
wasn't
part
of
the
the
thing
okay
so
hold
on
can.
K
B
And
we'll
we'll
push
them
to
later
on
in
the
year?
Okay,
so
thank
you
very
much.
Members
I'm
I
am
disappointed.
Okay,
but
you
know
we'll
take
the
majority
of
you.
Okay,
as
ever
we're
a
democratic
committee
and
I
would
like
to
adjourn
this
meeting
okay
to
the
5th
of
September,
and
the
time
is
coming
up
for
half
past
eight.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
attendance.