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From YouTube: Beacon Planning Board 11-10-22
Description
The City of Beacon Planning Board Meeting from November 9, 2022
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A
B
A
To
go
a
little
bit
beyond
just
special
permits,
I'm
going
to
try
to
pack
as
much
as
I
can
into
this
half
hour
talking
about
first,
just
kind
of
setting
the
groundwork
for
some
basic
clinics.
You
know
where
the
planning
board
lies
in
the
governmental
structure
within
the
city
and
talking
specifically
about
the
planning
board's
jurisdiction
and
then,
lastly,
about
the
implementation
of
the
plan
course
to
jurisdiction.
How
the
planning
board
makes
its
decisions
I.
A
First
of
all,
you
know
Planning
and
Zoning
is:
is
the
world
that
we
live
in
here
at
the
planning
board,
the
purpose
of
that
being
to
guide
future
growth
and
development
of
of
the
city,
protect
resources
that
we
have
and
plan
for
the
future.
Now
each
board
within
the
city
of
Beacon
serves
a
different
function
when
it
comes
to
planning
and
zoning.
First,
you
have
the
city
council,
your
legislative
body
made
up
of
elected
members
of
the
of
the
government,
they
set
the
policy
and
they
adopt
the
laws.
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A
That
just
really
Amplified
that
sets
forth
the
the
policy
and
the
vision
that
the
city
council
has
for
future
development
of
the
city.
That
comprehensive
plan
was
based
on
Outreach
to
to
Residents
and
constituents
within
the
city.
At
the
time
it
was
adopted,
then
the
adoption
of
zoning,
the
local
laws,
the
laws
implement
the
vision
set
forth
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
again
that's
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
city
council.
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The
city
council
has
reserved
unto
itself
some
land
use
approval
Authority
in
some
municipalities,
the
legislative
board,
delegates
all
of
its
land,
use
approval
authority
to
the
planning
board
or
the
zoning
board,
as
the
case
may
be.
Sometimes
the
legislative
body
retains
some
of
that
Authority
there's
some
examples.
I
know
in
Westchester,
town
of
Greenberg,
the
town
board,
there
retains
site
plan
approval
Authority,
but
only
for
properties,
five
acres
or
more.
So
the
legislative
body
really
has
the
authority
to
kind
of
carve
out
what
it's
going
to
keep
to
itself.
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As
far
as
land
use
approval,
Authority
goes
here
generally
the
city
council
reviews
and
approves
concept
plans
in
the
Fishkill
Creek
development
Zone,
some
special
permit
Authority
there
are,
you
know,
limited
instances
where
the
city
council
has
reserved
that
Authority
for
themselves,
otherwise
they've
delegated
authority
to
the
planning
board
and
to
the
zoning
board.
So
the
planning
board
obviously
made
up
of
seven
members
and
you
have
jurisdiction
over
site
plans
subdivision
some
special
permits.
You
also
service
the
Architectural
Review
Board
and
coming
along
with
that,
the
historic
review
for
certificates
of
appropriateness,
the
zoning
board.
A
So
the
planning
board
is
a
is
an
administrative
body
as
opposed
to
legislative.
So
you
implement
the
local
laws
that
are
set
by
the
city
council.
You
don't
have
authority
to
interpret
those
local
laws.
You
don't
have
authority
to
vary
those
local
laws
unless
there's
specific
Authority
written
into
the
let
into
the
zoning
code.
For
example,
you
have
parking
waiver
Authority
in
some
instances
like
in
the
CMS
district.
There
are
certain
instances
where
you
can
waive
parking.
A
There
are
certain
instances
where
you
can
waive
Landscaping
requirements
so,
but
unless
it's
specifically
written
into
the
zoning
code,
you
don't
have
the
authority
to
waive
or
vary
the
zoning
requirements.
That's
where
we
get
to
the
zoning
board.
The
zoning
board
is
a
quasi-judicial
board
and
they
are
responsible
for
applications
to
vary
the
zoning
requirements
where
you
can't
there's
no
municipality
on
Earth
that
can
legislate
for
every
circumstance.
Right,
there's
always
going
to
be
unique
circumstances
that
come
up
whether
it's
you
know
a
strangely
shaped
property.
A
Zoning
laws-
the
zoning
board-
has
a
very
tight
standard
of
review.
They
have
to
perform
a
balancing
test
to
weigh
you
know
whether
the
the
benefits
of
of
granting
the
variants
outweigh
the
detriments
to
the
to
the
to
the
neighborhood,
and
by
doing
that,
there's
five
factors
that
they
have
to
that
they
have
to
weigh
and
Vary.
They
cannot
go
outside
of
those
five
factors.
It's
a
very
prescribed
standard
of
review.
A
They
also
have
the
authority
to
hear
appeals
from
building
inspector
determination,
so
we
have
our
building
inspector,
who
is
the
first
line
of
defense
in
interpreting
the
zoning
code.
So
whenever
there's
a
question
of
interpretation
of
any
zoning
code
provision,
the
building
inspector
is
the
authority
on
that.
He
or
she
makes
that
determination.
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B
B
A
So
and
then
beyond
that,
I
would
then
go
to
Dutchess
County
Supreme
Court.
If
someone
wanted
to
continue
to
challenge
the
interpretation,
so
that's
sort
of
just
a
little
overview
of
basic
Civics,
of
where
the
city
council,
the
planning
board
and
the
zoning
board
all
kind
of
lied,
work
together
in
this
Planning
and
Zoning
context.
A
So,
with
respect
to
the
planning
board's
jurisdiction,
you
have
authority
over
site
plan
Apple
locations
in
section
223-25.
It
says
that
a
site
plan
is
required
for
changes
of
use
and
pretty
much
everything
else
except
a
single-family
home.
So
if
it
requires
a
building
permit,
it
likely
requires
site
plan,
approval
and
insight
plan
applications.
What
the
board
is
really
looking
at
are
things
like
the
layout
of
the
proposed
building
or
structures,
storm
water,
traffic,
parking
lighting,
Landscaping,
internal
pedestrian
and
vehicular
circulation,
noise
or
visual
impacts.
A
The
next
type
of
application
that
you
typically
see
are
subdivisions
subdivisions
can
also
include
lot
mergers
or
resub
divisions.
So
when
you
have
lots
that
were
previously
shown
on
a
Subdivision
plat
filed
in
the
West
in
the
Dutchess
County
clerk's
office
and
those
lot
lines
are
going
to
be
adjusted
or
merged,
those
lots
are
going
to
be
merged
together.
They
need
to
get
approval
from
your
board
and
then
you
have
your
typical
subdivision
application.
Where.
A
Know
one
or
more
Lots
they're
divided
into
additional
Lots.
Excuse
me
generally
with
subdivision
applications.
You
are
approving
the
layout
of
the
lots
and
the
other
infrastructure
components,
the
location
of
roadways,
whether
they
be
private
or
public,
storm
water
basins,
storm
water
treatment
measures
and
other
similar
components.
A
D
A
Room
for
modifications,
but
there
is
some,
for
example,
there
may
be
environmental
conditions
on
the
states
seep
slopes,
Wetlands
Rock,
outcroppings
things
of
that
nature.
That
may
require
adjustments
to
the
lot
lines
in
order
to
create
a
layout
that
works
with
the
the
natural
features
of
the
site
and
works
with
the
existing
Community.
A
A
good
example
of
that
is
the
application
that
you
just
considered
several
months
ago.
Beacon
views
so
there
that
was
a
subdivision
and
there
they
came
in
with
a
certain
lot
count,
which
was
ultimately
reduced
by
by
quite
a
bit
because
of
the
wetlands
on
site
and
because
of
the
mitigation
that
this
board
you
know
required
the
applicant
to
achieve.
A
So
there
are
examples
where
you
know
things
can
be
adjusted
based
on
environmental
constraints,
on
the
property
if
a
subdivision
doesn't
meet
the
standards
in
chapter
195
of
the
code
you
this
is
an
instance
where
the
city
council
has
included
Authority
in
the
code
for
you
to
vary
those
standards.
So
if,
if
the
applicant
can't
meet
the
strict
letter
of
the
law-
and
it
makes
sense
to
to
vary
that
that
standard
you
do
have
the
authority
to
do
so
next
is
special
permits.
A
A
So
if
the
use
meets
those
that
criteria
in
the
code,
then
the
special
permit
has
to
be
issued,
there's
there's
no
discretion
there.
The
discretion
lies
in
whether
the
applicant
has
met
those
standards.
That
is
the
determination
for
the
planning
board
to
make
whether
the
the
information
that's
been
put
forth
by
the
applicant
sufficiently
demonstrates
compliance
with
the
standards
for
a
special
permit.
A
There
are
two
different
kinds
of
standards:
there's
General
standards
which
are
in
223-18
of
your
code.
Those
are
there's
five
or
six
of
them.
Those
apply
to
every
special
permit
that
you
that
you
review
then
for
each
particular
use
that
requires
a
special
permit.
There
may
be
a
set
of
individuals,
more
specific
standards
that
are
required
for
that
particular
use.
Both
the
general
and
the
specific
standards
have
to
be
met
can't
be
quite
a
good
question.
Yes,.
C
And
I
should
remember
this
from
our
days
updating
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
what
criteria
has
gone
into
what
Lots
special
permit
requirements
should
should
carry
right.
So
there
are
certain
lots
that
have
special
permit
requirements,
others
that
don't
maybe
it's
maybe
a
sort
of
a
simple
question
and
I'm
just
missing
it.
A
But
yeah
so
it's
by
district
and
by
use
right.
So
in
certain
zoning
districts
you
allow
certain
uses
either
by
site
plan
alone
or
by
special
permit
a
lot
of
times.
The
special
permit
uses
are
things
that
need
a
little
bit
more
control,
sometimes
like
fitness,
centers
gyms
tend
to
be
I,
find
those
tend
to
be
special
permit
uses
because
you
know
of
the
the
nature
of
you
know
a
lot
of
people
coming
in
for
a
class.
At
the
same
time
as
another
you
know,
class
is
leaving
so.
A
A
We
found
that
that
was
a
more
efficient
use
of
of
the
planning
board's
time
and
then,
as
far
as
historic
preservation
go,
you
are
the
approval
Authority
for
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
certain
applications
in
the
historic
district
and
landmark
overlay
Zone,
and
the
standards
for
that
are
in
chapter
134
of
the
code
I'm
going
to
jump,
because
we
only
have
about
10
minutes
I'm
going
to
jump
to
talking
about
implementation
of
the
planning
boards
jurisdiction.
So
mainly
your
decision
making
process.
A
The
main
takeaway
is
that
decisions
cannot
be
arbitrary
and
capricious
if
they
are
they'll
be
overturned
by
the
court
in
a
second.
What
this
means
is
that
decisions
have
to
have
a
rational
basis
in
the
record.
What
is
the
record?
The
record
is
everything
that's
before
the
board
at
the
time
it
makes
its
decision,
it's
the
application
materials
provided
by
the
applicant,
it's
John
Russo
and
John
Clark's
review
memos.
A
The
record
many
times
consists
of
both
lay
opinion
and
expert
opinion
and
testimony.
So
in
that
instance,
the
courts
have
have
decided
that
they're
going
to
look
at
that
testimony
differently,
that
it's
just
weighted
differently
by
the
courts.
Expert
opinion
is
weighted
more
heavily,
in
my
opinion,
so
if
an
expert
says
x
a
board
member
can't
say
well,
my
gut
says
why
so
I'm
deciding
based
on
why
that
will
be
overturned
very
easily.
Traffic
is
usually
the
best
example
of
this.
A
Of
course,
as
our
traffic
engineer
enters
the
room,
nobody
tried.
Nobody,
nobody
agrees
with
Traffic
Engineers
right,
Frank,
everyone
questions
traffic,
it's
always
well.
You
know,
I've
been
at
that
intersection
and
I
have
to
wait
much
longer
than
than
it
seems
like
it's
reflected
in
this
report,
so
that
tends
to
be
topic
where
this
comes
up
quite
often.
A
But
if
a
traffic
engineer
says
that
a
roadway
has
the
capacity
for
the
proposed
project
and
intersections
will
operate
at
acceptable
levels
of
service,
the
board
can
question
the
Traffic
Engineers
study
can
ask
about
well
what
what
was
considered
to
come
to.
That
conclusion.
Did
you
consider
you
know
when
were
the
counts,
for
the
traffic
counts
done
for
that
that
resulted
in
that
conclusion,
were
they
done?
You
know
at
three
o'clock
in
the
morning
on
a
Tuesday
or
were
they
done
during
the
peak
hour?
What
is
the
peak
hour?
A
Maybe
the
traffic
counts
didn't
reflect
the
true
peak
hour.
Maybe
the
peak
hour
in
that
particular
neighborhood
isn't
like
four
to
six
or
five
to
six.
Maybe
it's
slightly
shifted,
so
there
you
can
question
the
the
inputs
that
go
into
that
that
conclusion
to
make
sure
that
the
conclusion
is
based
on
the
right
information
for
your
community,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
unless
a
board
member
is
also
a
traffic
engineer
board.
Member
can't
cast
that
expert
opinion
aside,
just
based
on
gut
feeling
or
lay
opinion.
A
A
A
A
A
The
court
is
not
going
to
second
guess
the
board's
decision,
even
if
the
court
felt
that
the
decision
should
have
gone
the
other
way.
The
Court's
not
going
to.
Second
guess
that,
as
long
as
there
is
a
basis
for
your
decision
in
the
record
in
seek
for
secret,
which
I
mean
I
could
spend
I'll
have
an
another
hour
talking
about
sikra,
but
for
secret
purposes.
The
standard
is
similar.
It's
called
A
Hard
look
standard.
A
Did
the
board
make
a
reasonable
inquiry
into
the
relevant
environmental
concerns
for
that
particular
project?
Not
every
single,
conceivable
environmental
issue
has
to
be
reviewed
only
those
that
are
relevant
to
the
application
and
will
have
a
meaningful
impact
for
secret
purposes.
The
board
does
have
to
make
what's
called
a
reasoned
elaboration
for
your
secret
determination.
A
Deck
or
POS
deck,
so
that's
why
we
have,
in
addition
to
the
part,
three
form
that
you
fill
out.
We
prepare
that
you
know
5
10,
15,
page
document
that
goes
through
for
each
relevant
environmental
impact.
What
are
the
pieces
in
the
record
that
that
support
your
decision
on
whether
there's
a
negtec
or
pause
deck?
C
A
Right
so
the
question
being
yeah
interplay
between
sikra
and
special
permit,
so
for
a
secret.
The
the
question
that
you're
asking
yourself
is:
could
there
be
a
significant
adverse
environmental
impact?
Those
are
those
are
sort
of
the
buzzwords.
That's
your
determination
of
significance
and
that
determination
is
based
on
again
all
of
the
information
before
you
all
of
the
studies.
A
Testimony
review
memos
from
your
Consultants
to
determine
will
there
be
a
significant
adverse
environmental
impact
if
the
answer
is
no
based
on
all
of
the
the
information
that
goes
into
the
quote-unquote
proposed
action
of
the
application
before
you,
you
issue
the
negative
declaration
that
is
different
from
your
special
permit
standards,
which
are
zoning
requirement
that
you
need
to
make
sure
that
each
of
those.
However,
many
standards
are
satisfied
by
the
application
a
lot
of
times.
A
There
are
overlapping
considerations
right,
so
one
of
The
General
special
permit
standards
if
I
recall
correctly
yeah
one
of
the
the
general
special
permit
standards
is
that
parking
areas
will
be
of
adequate
size
for
the
particular
use
and
properly
located
suitably
screened
from
adjoining
residential
uses.
Now,
a
lot
of
that
that
that
could
be
that
that
is
an
environmental
impact
too
right
for
traffic
and
parking.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
the
proposed
use
has
adequate
parking.
F
E
A
Where
does
that
fall
I
mean
so
I
have
seen
cases
where,
where
a
board
issues
a
negative
declaration,
it
makes
findings
that
there's
no
significant
impact
on
something
like
parking
or
noise
or
Wetland
impacts,
but
then
denies
an
application
based
on
those
grounds
that
there
is
an
impact
to
Wetlands
or
there's
an
impact
to
storm
water
and
the
courts
have
I've
seen
courts
overturn.
Will
they
overturn
that
decision?
In
every
instance?
A
F
C
C
Decision
points,
that's
a
good
question.
We
do
have
our
local
ordinance
on
noise
right.
The
special
permit
discusses
certain
aspects
of
and,
of
course,
everybody
should
comply
with
the
local
ordinances,
but
there
aren't
any
conflict.
Is
that
your
question?
Is
there
any
conflicting
issues
between
local
ordinance,
different
zones
and
special
use.
A
A
A
So
I
mean
the
standard
for
secret
is
significant
adverse
impact.
So
you
know
I
always
get
asked
the
question.
What
does
significant
mean?
There
is
no
concrete
definition
and
that's
on
purpose,
because
that
same
statue
is
applied
throughout
New
York
state
right
and
what's
significant
and
Beacon
might
not
be
significant
in
Albany
might
not
be
significant.
You
know
in
Yonkers,
so
each
Community
really
has
to
decide
for
itself
what
significant
means
and
then,
as
far
as
the
the
zoning
special
permit
standards
go,
it's
it's.
H
F
F
You
know
that
I've
seen
in
the
level
I've
seen
that
in
the
in
the
write-up
and
passing
cars
are
generally
not
constant,
although
noise
from
an
event
is
relatively
constant
over
the
duration
of
the
event,
which
is
just
something
that
it's
just
an
observation
that
jumps
out
at
me.
Every
time
I
see
that
language
traffic
varies
in
intensity
and
there
are
periods
when
there's
no
traffic,
especially
in
the
evening,
but.
C
That
strikes
me
as
falling
into
the
category
somewhat
of
subjective
just
in
terms
of
yeah.
It
can
be
used
as
a
good
sort
of
Benchmark
of
what
something
might
sound
like
at
its
maximum,
but
it
doesn't
land
anywhere
necessarily
in
you
know
some
of
the
prescriptive,
like
the
noise
ordinance
that
we
we
have
to
comply
with
anyway.
This
is
certainly
something
we
can
continue
to
talk
about
until
11
30.
I
C
C
J
K
Evening,
good
evening,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
planning
board
for
the
record
Taylor
Palmer,
with
the
law
firm
of
cutting
Invader
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
We
are
joined
by
the
project,
architect,
R.A
Siegel,
our
traffic
consultant
Rich,
d'andrea
of
Colliers
engineering
and
Mike
bodendorf
of
Hudson
Land
Design,
we're
also
joined
by
the
applicant.
As
the
chair
mentioned,
we
are
before
you
for
our
continued
Seeker
review
and
in
connection
with
the
site
plan
and
special
permit
public
hearings.
So
it's
a
good
segue
from
the
work
session
into
our
our
project.
K
Tonight
we
were
last
before
you
in
October.
We
missed
you
Mr
chairman
for
the
continued
hearing
when
we
introduced
the
applicants
further
reduced
development
proposal,
which
has
reduced
the
application
just
to
be
clear
to
180
attendees,
that's
not
inclusive
of
staff
on
the
site,
which
we
prepared
more
details
to
enrich
we'll
adjust
in
just
a
minute:
180
180,
180,
attendees,
plus
employees,
working
at
the
property.
K
That
represents
a
50
reduction
of
the
original
proposal
that
was
before
this
board,
or
a
reduction
of
240
total
attendees
from
original
proposal
for
the
benefit
of
the
public
that
are
attending
this
evening.
The
building
department
did
Issue
a
determination
that
this
is
a
zoning
compliant
project
which
is
inclusive
of
the
off
street
parking
pursuant
to
the
1964
parking
exception.
K
Since
then,
we
did
also
submit
a
letter
to
your
board
dated
October
25th
that
provided
a
comprehensive
summary
of
our
Seeker
submissions
to
your
board
and
the
applicant's
efforts
to
minimize
and
to
eliminate
any
potentially
significant
adverse
environmental
impacts
from
the
project
over
the
course
of
the
last
year
that
we've
appeared
before
you
at
the
meetings
and
the
public
hearings.
As
the
sport
is
aware,
this
is
a
you're
serving
as
the
lead
agents
if
you're
an
unlisted
action
on
the
property.
K
These
are
empirical
data
driven
conclusions
and
they're,
no
potentially
significant
environmental
impacts.
Project
zoning
compliant
the
off
street
parking
is
zoning
compliant
the
event
space
is
a
permitted
accessory
used
to
the
hotel.
The
applicant
has
provided
Alternatives
analysis
for
the
sports
consideration
of
the
reduced
development
proposals
that
have
continued
to
reduce
other
impacts
or
potential
impacts
thereof,
which
is
a
number
of
vehicles,
number
of
attendees
and
so
forth.
K
We
understand
at
this
time
the
board
at
a
previous
meeting
had
requested
a
a
sound
consultant
be
retained.
The
person
that
wrote
the
sound,
a
sound
ordinance
for
the
city.
We
know
that
that
study
hasn't
yet
been
reviewed
or
our
our
submission
hasn't
yet
been
reviewed,
so
we
know
that'll
be
provided
in
a
future
date.
Foreign.
K
At
this
point,
I
would
turn
to
Rich
dnj
our
traffic
consultant
just
to
review
the
changes.
There
was
notes
on
Mr
Clark's
memos,
for
example,
for
example,
regarding
the
Tompkins
firehouse
and
things
of
that
effect.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
how
we
address
that
and
we
do
want
to
incorporate
the
details
regarding
the
employees
which
is
incorporated
into
our
supplemental
submission
thanks,
yeah.
C
K
L
L
L
So
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we
anticipated
when
we
had
done
our
own
sketch
of
what
that
could
look
like,
but
I
think
we
had
estimated
68
spaces
versus
62
and
then
obviously
the
10
spaces
for
fire
department
use,
so
that
that
does
reduce
the
available
parking
in
that
lot,
a
little
bit
from
what
we
had
originally
estimated.
However,
and
oh
you're
right,
if
you
could
go.
L
H
L
You
I
would
there's
like
six
copies
here
so
and
we
can
provide
more
information
on
this.
Just
to
this
is
just
for
tonight
just
to
discuss
it
a
little
bit
but
we're
basically
looking
at
two
different
parking
scenarios.
Here
we
have
the
one
scenario
with
the
hundred
and
a
maximum
of
130
person
event
with
the
cafe
use
open
to
the
public
and
then-
and
some
of
this
is
blacked
out
on
the
screen.
So
and
and
then
the
other
scenario
is
the
full
180
person
event
with
no
Cafe
use
open
to
the
public.
L
L
That's
been
laid
out
by
the
Afghan,
which
you
actually
can't
see
the
employees
on
the
screen
for
some
reason,
and
then
what
we
did
was
just
assuming
that
we
applied
those
to
the
three
parking
areas
that
we've
talked
about
most
that
are
nearest
development.
The
Tompkins
lot,
which
we
talked
about,
is
a
little
bit
adjusted
the
municipal
Plaza
lot
here
and
the
entry
parking
on
Beekman
Street.
L
L
And,
like
I
said
we'll
we'll
make
this
wasn't
part
of
our
latest
submission
in
this
table,
but
it
will
make
it
part
of
our
next
submission
so
that
everybody
has
it
and
we'll
provide
further
detail
of
how
we
collected
these
numbers
came
to
these
numbers,
but
I
just
want
to
discuss
it
a
little
bit
tonight.
Yeah.
L
That's
funny
man
and
I,
like
I,
said,
we'll
provide
more
information
on
how
we
got
to
these
numbers,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
thing
to
note
about
this
table
is,
and
some
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
is
there's
no
credit
here
for
the
number
of
people
that
may
be
staying
in
the
hotel
and
attending
the
event
right.
So,
if
we
have
explained.
C
L
So
if
there's
60
people
staying
in
the
hotel
and
30
of
them
are
attending
the
event,
we
assumed
that
that
didn't
reduce
the
number
of
parking
spaces
in
this
table.
That
would
be,
for
the
event,
sorry
say
that
again,
I,
don't
I'm
not
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
explain
this
better
right
now
we
have
180
people
coming
to
an
event
right,
so.
C
L
Staff
right,
okay,
so
the
staff
is
separate,
so
180
attendees
in
the
building.
If
we
have
fully
fully
occupied
Hotel
there,
maybe
60
people
there
or
whatever
the
number
might
be-
let's
say:
there's
30
of
them
coming
to
the
event.
Also,
realistically,
we
now
only
have
150
more
people
that
we
need
to
park
cars
for
but
I
didn't.
We
didn't
take
a
credit
for
that
in
this
table.
L
F
And
I
think
that's
appropriate
because
you
don't
you
know
the
hotel
may
have
enough
popularity
on
its
own
that
there
may
not
be
an
overlap
between
guests
and
event.
Goers,
so
I
think
it's
appropriately
conservative
not
to
assume
that
parking
demand
for
the
event
is
reduced
by
the
number
of
people
who
happen
to
be
staying
in
the
hotel.
At
the
same
time,
right.
F
F
The
same
time
so
before
we
lose
the
threat
of
what
you
what
you
just
explained
to
us,
so
that
means
looking
at
this
table
for
parking
demand
that
the
number
of
45,
that
is
in
the
guests
Row
for
the
event,
that's
45
cars
for
the
180
participants
in
the
event.
Yeah.
Okay,
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
had
that
right.
L
K
From
last
meeting
when
we
reduced
the
project
part
of
what
was
important
to
note
from
that
discussion,
because
you
mentioned
the
words
non
simultaneous
use
again,
we
reduced
the
project
to
reflect
that
there
will
be
no
more
than
180
attendees
period,
which
means
that
there
would
be
a
cap
on
any
event
of
130
attendees
in
the
event
space
for
the
cafe
to
remain
open,
because
the
maximum
capacity
of
the
cafe
is
50..
So
you
add
the
50
to
the
130.
You
get
the
180..
C
K
L
Is
closed
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
point
of
this
table
was
or
that
I
was
trying
to
make
about
the
table
is
that
the
numbers
in
there
are
somewhat
conservative
right.
We
would
anticipate
that
people
from
the
staying
at
the
hotel
would
attend.
The
event
would
reduce
the
amount
of
off-site
parking
that
we
really
need.
We
would
anticipate
that
people
staying
in
the
hotel
may
go
to
the
cafe
during
when
that's
open
and
reduce
the
off-site
parking
that
we
would
need.
L
So
the
numbers
in
there
are
somewhat
conservative,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
showing
that
just
in
those
three
space
locations,
we
think
we
have
more
than
enough
available
parking
based
on
the
observations
that
we
did
at
those
locations,
and
then
we
still
have
our
traffic
and
parking
management
plan
that
we've
identified,
how
we're
going
to
manage
people
getting
in
getting
dropped
off
where
we
might
Park
other
people
off
site.
If
we,
if
we
determine
that,
we
need
to
do
that
providing
shuttles.
L
L
I
C
K
I
understand,
yeah
and
again
part
of
what
we're
evaluating
is
whether
that
creates
a
potentially
significant
adverse
environmental
impact.
What
we're
the
discussion
we're
trying
to
dial
this
down?
We
know
that
we've
been
throwing
at
numbers
because
they've
changed
as
we've
reduced
the
project
and
we've
tried
to
clarify
because
the
employees
are
not
other
than
the
hotel
itself
not
considered
in
the
the
general
parking
regulations.
It's
as
Rich
has
presented
the
studies
and
the
reports
all
Factor.
What
the
code
requires
from
an
off
street
parking.
K
And
now
we're
now
we're
getting
to
the
the
the
the
the
real
details
of
how
this
is
managed,
how
it
functions
who's
going
to
be
there
the
worst
case
scenario.
Sorry
Gavin
scared
me
I,
didn't
realize
coming
up
behind
me,
so
we're
we're
trying
to
to
refine
those
so
that
when
it
comes
to
a
a
document
that
that
controls
this
site
the
event
management
plan,
as
as
we
mentioned
the
traffic
and
parking
report,
the
sensitivity
analysis,
the
offer
that
the
applicant
I
don't
know.
Jimmy
I,
don't
know
if
you
were
there.
K
If
we
said
this
at
last
meeting
or
the
meeting
prior
we've
even
Pro
offered
a
post
approval
monitoring
plan.
So
all
of
these
things
to
you
know,
have
checks
on
the
balances
that
are
already
checked
and
balanced
in
the
reports
that
we
provided
so
we're
adding
another
layer
for
all
these
things,
so
so
we're
getting
there
with
those
numbers,
but
I
think
the
critical
issue
here
is
that
we're
that
those
numbers
you
know
from
one
to
three
or
one
to
five
is
not
going
to
tip
a
scale.
Your.
C
Patience
with
us
is
I.
Thank
you
for
that,
because
it
really
lends
itself
to
our
ability
to
understand
enough
what
you're,
because
there's
a
lot
of
data
not
just
in
this,
but
in
the
entire
application
that
are
interrelated
and
have
interplay,
not
only
you
know
in
context
of
the
actual
application,
but
what's
happening
around
you
and
who's
who's
watching
this
process
and
who
lives
near
the
the
applications
right.
K
And,
as
you
mentioned
the
beginning
of
our
presentation
tonight,
we're
coming
back
to
you
in
December
to
talk
noise,
and
this
will
be
you
know
this
will
be
more
ingrained
into
the
fabric
of
the
application,
so
there
are
no
hanging
chats
it's
election
day
after
so
I
have
to
throw
that
out
there.
Thank
you.
D
Thanks
Gavin
Hecker
I,
just
I
just
wanted
to
just
clarify
a
little
bit
about
the
staff
here
as
written
out
in
our
management
plan,
and
yes,
there
will
be
one
front
desk
rooms,
manager
from
7,
A.M
till
1
30
a.m
as
this
draft
States,
but
there
are
and
housekeeping
three
from
10
to
4
P.M
and,
as
rich
said
during
most
of
these
events.
Yes,
there
will
be
one
front
desk
manager
and
there
will
be
a
facilities
maintenance
that
is
shared
between
the
spaces
from
9
to
6
p.m.
C
L
C
Quick
quick
question
on
just
because
I
have
it
up
and
I'm
reading
it
and
it
popped
into
mind
what
you
are
returning
your
manage
event:
management
plan,
page
two
notes:
you
should
you
show
a
table
noting
times
end
times
for
events
and
Max
Capacity.
So
what
you're
suggesting
by
this
is
that
Monday
Tuesdays,
where
it's
not
applicable?
No
events
will
take
place.
D
O
K
We've
been
living
in
the
worst
case
scenarios
right,
that's
that's
the
thing
that
that
is,
those
are
the
big,
the
big
events
that
are
half
the
size
of
what
was
originally
proposed.
We're
we're
talking
in
the
worst
case
scenarios.
That's
not
a
seven
day
a
week
process,
that's
not
a
seven
day
a
week
operation
so.
K
And
as
a
as
a
hotel
operation-
and
this
is
an
accessory
there
too-
yes,
that
is
a
it's
a
seven
day
a
week
operation,
we're
indicating
that
Gavin
isn't
clarification
about
what
those
types
of
events
that
you'd
have
on
it.
That
could
have
not.
They
don't
have
a
they're
not
going
to
be
as
frequent
on
a
Monday
or
Tuesday
it's
hard
to
strictly
Define,
it's
going
to
be
Monday
and
Tuesday.
First.
C
C
F
C
K
F
So
it's
very
fuzzy-
and
this
is
this-
is
how
we
kind
of
like
I
think.
Unfortunately,
it's
the
kind
of
language
that
leads
to
a
lot
of
public
comments.
Saying
I,
don't
really
understand.
What's
Happening
Here,
you
know
I'm,
not
I
can't
follow
it.
Is
it
happening
or
not?
What
you
know
is
it
going
to
be
seven
days
a
week
or
not
yeah
look.
C
Not
not
diminishing
the
amount
of
thought
that
has
gone
into
this,
and
you
know
we
asked
pretty
early
on
so
appreciate
the
effort
and
thought
that
has
gone
into
this.
Thus
far.
I
think
you
know
it's,
it
is
it's
around
the
ability
to
have
a
really
solid
understanding
of
you
know
what
we
understand
to
be
a
potentially
Dynamic
site
relative
to
the
variables
around
potentially
different
uses
of
different
scales.
C
At
you
know
times
that
we'd
like
to
understand,
may
have
an
impact
on
the
neighboring
community.
So
it's
really
it's
really
all.
It
comes
down
to
Is
Us
being
able
to
understand
this
enough
to
do
our
job
relative
to
secret.
So
you
know
it's
one
thing
for
us
to
to
hear
from
you
and
ask
you
to
trust
us,
it's
another
for
us
to
say:
okay,
we
understand
it
enough
that
it
actually
makes
sense
relative
to
our
purview
and
what
we
have
to
do
here.
So
thanks
for
appreciating
that
so
was
there
anything.
K
I
think
the
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
get
a
better
sense
of
is
Karen's
question
was
specifically
like
hey
you
say:
no
Monday
Tuesday,
we're
not
saying
nope.
That
chart
says
not
applicable
because
they're
not
anticipated
to
be
frequent.
They're
not
anticipated
to
be
large
events,
but
they're,
certainly
preserving
the
ability
to
have
an
event
on
those
days
whether
there
could
be
a
way
to
control
that
or
some
requirement.
C
Yeah
look
I,
understand.
There's
there
are
a
lot
of
variables
to
how
your
particular
space
will
play
out.
You
can't
predict
right,
I
think
what
we
would
like
to
understand
are
what
is
the
relative
likelihood
of
especially
large
events
and
those
large
events
are
impactful
relative
to
hours,
noise
and
traffic.
So
it's
it's
really
for
us
to
get
a
much
better
sense
of
how
the
real
world
scenarios
may
end
up
playing
out,
because
we
don't
want
to
be
left
in
a
situation
where
we
got
a
lot
of.
You
know
very
detailed
information
thrown
at
us.
C
P
E
C
A
A
B
A
H
B
H
Sorry
go
ahead,
I
mean
one
of
the
fundamental
problems
with
this
approach.
Is
that
the
intent
of
this
whole
planning
document
of
doing
the
use
is
to
get
approval
from
the
board
right
and
and
the
scope
of
your
use
and
all
the
different
restrictions
on
the
way
you're
going
to
use
the
site
is
going
to
be
limited
to
what
it
takes
to
get
approval
and
to
have
the
objective
experts.
H
Reports
say
that
there's
not
going
to
be
a
significant
impact
right,
that's
the
point
at
which
you
stop
giving
away
hours
of
operation
your
ability
to
be
profitable
as
a
business
right,
and
also
the
ability
for
the
city
to
enforce
or
police
any
sort
of
agreement.
That's
put
into
this
right.
It
might
be
a
binder
this
thick
that
somewhere
in
the
building
department
right.
Nobody
even
knows
that
it
exists.
I,
don't
know
how
this
all
works
is
it?
Does
it
work
with
the
like
successors
in
the
signs?
K
The
resolution
any
approval
resolution
runs
with
the
land
it's
enforceable
by
the
building
inspector.
The
code
requirements
are
all
there,
it's
all.
It's
all
they're,
all
very
much
controlled
and
I
would
say
to
your
particular
point.
The
maximum
event
on
the
site
has
been
reviewed
by
your
traffic
consultant
as
to
not
I.
I
won't
speak
specifically
to
the.
K
They
won't
make
a
statement
of
it's
not
a
potentially
significant
adverse
impact,
but
they
are
indicating
that
it
is
not
having
an
impact
for
or
off
too
off
Street
available
parking
off
street,
so
I
realize
they
can't
talk
to
noise,
but
that
is
why
you
also
have
a
noise
console
so
we're
these
are
pieces
that
are
coming
together
in
in
the
puzzle,
but
to
your
question
Kevin.
Yes,
this
is
an
enforceable
document
hours
of
operation
all
as
long
as
they
are.
K
F
It
like
well
here's
you
know,
here's
an
example,
maybe
to
get
so.
What
you're
saying
is
that
we
can
digest
all
this
conceivably
and
come
to
the
conclusion
that
it's
can
be
regulated
via
the
special
use
permit
and
after
going
through
all
of
the
the
different
potential
issues
and
how
to
mitigate
them,
the
special
use
permit
could
be
written
up
and
I'm
just
going
to
just
pull
something
completely
out
of
the
air.
F
Just
as
an
example
to
say
that
you
know
on
a
certain
day,
you
know
it
will
be
an
event
only
of
the
size
and
it
may
have.
You
know
these
type
of
characteristics
and
it's
going
to
end
by
time
x
so
that
everybody
can
be
departed
from
the
site
and
musicians
loaded
out
and,
and
you
know,
Vans
left
and
Etc,
et
cetera,
et
cetera
by
time.
F
You
know
why
and
then
I
assume
we're
going
to
have
some
discussion
with
the
applicant
about
whether
they
accept
you
know
how
the
board
has
interpreted
the
the
constraints
and
the
and
the
remedies
for
them
into
the
permit.
The
special
use
permit
that
we
propose,
may
not
be
it.
May
it
may.
Look
kind
of
like
the
management
plan,
but
it
may
have
a
lot
more
specificity
in
it.
C
No
well
that's
why
that's
why
I
agree
with
you
I'd
rather
the
mechanism,
be
the
applicant
hear
what
we're
saying
work
to
bring
this
management
plan
up
to
what
we
can
all
agree
to
then
that
becomes
the
to
some
degree
the
exhibit
for
the
resolution
right.
So
because
you
go
some
of
the
way
here.
Clean
up
breakdown,
garbage
and
recycling,
removal
from
hotel
and
event
space
will
be
prohibited
after
10
30
PM
all
days,
that's
very
specific,
whether
10
30
PM
is
the
right
time.
C
C
And
as
I
said,
it's
a
long
way
from
when
we
started
the
conversation
about
a
lot
of
vague
parameters.
So
it's
we're
getting
there
and
again.
I
appreciate
the
thought
and
the
effort
that's
gone
into
this
because,
obviously
it
it
speaks
to
your
understanding
of
your
business
and
how
you're
going
to
operate
it.
So
it's
great
that
you're
getting
to
this
level
of
specificity
so
that
we,
as
your
neighbors,
understand
it
right.
So
great.
A
C
So
I
think
we
could.
We
could
start
to
broadly
outline
them,
so
I
think
it's
a
great
recommendation
right.
So
when
it
comes
to
it
right
so
there's
there
are
specific
event
types
that
are
permissible
under
this
special
permit
right
and
those
are
somewhat
vague
right.
So
events
is
Broad.
So
what
are
those
events
you've
started
to
Define
them,
so
you've
got
the
lar.
You've
got
the
large
events
right.
What
did
this
mean?
C
So
you
know
so
when
it
comes
to
the
definition
and
the
level
of
specificity
on
what
those
events
might
be
Perhaps.
It
is
just
that
and
and
somewhat
of
a
descriptive
for
each
of
them
right
when
you
say
large
event,
what
does
that
mean?
Is
it
a
ballet
performance
with
a
full
Orchestra?
Is
it
a
rock
concert
with
multiple
Amplified
instruments,
that
kind
of
thing
and
then,
with
those
specific
events?
C
What
times
and
days
you
reasonably
expect
all
activities
that
might
generally
Cause
A
disruption
to
cease
at
the
end
of
the
day
or
even
begin
at
the
beginning
of
the
day
right
so
those
hour
parameters,
and
that
then
starts
to
speak
to
noise
right.
We
know
you
need
to
comply
with
a
noise
ordinance
right,
so
yeah
I
think
it's
it's
a
very
good
idea
to
start
to
outline
what
those
categories
would
be.
C
I
L
K
L
F
N
So
really,
this
is
just
simple
math.
The
198
was
the
maximum
building
occupancy
the
way
we
understand
it,
and
if
you
need
23
employees,
you
back
198
minus
23,
get
you
175.
yep,
because
180
plus
23
will
put
you
over
building
Max
maximum
building
occupancy.
So
it
was
really
just
a
suggestion
that
let's
make
the
math
add
up
unless
we're
missing
something
I,
don't
think
it
makes
any
difference
from
a
parking
perspective.
We're
talking
about
a
couple
of
cars.
It
was
really
just
the
rubric
of
Maximum
building
occupancy
backing
into
the
event
side.
N
L
K
C
C
K
Q
Q
I
agree
that
you
know
there
there's
this
exception
in
the
code
as
an
incentive
for
their
ability
of
historic
buildings
to
be
used,
that
don't
have
room
for
parking
on
their
site
so
that
you
don't
have
to
tear
down
the
historic
building
in
order
to
create
a
parking
lot.
That's
the
reason
for
it,
but
it
seems
to
me
that's
still
separate
from
a
special
permit
that
one
of
its
conditions
is,
is
adequate
parking
and
so
I.
K
Know
we
don't
agree
on
that
at
that
point
and
we're
not
going
to
agree
on
that
point,
but
our
our
reports
do
show
that
we
have
sufficient
parking
in
the
vicinity
of
the
property
and
the
proposal
has
been
reduced
to
reflect.
That
and
I
also
distinguish
the
fact
that
that
1964
provision
is
only
related
to
historic
buildings.
They
are
pre-existing
non-conforming
buildings.
K
That
code
section
was
to
allow
new
development
or
adaptive
reuse
of
properties
and
to
ins
and
to
ensure
that
parking
wasn't
the
reason
for
new
or
Redevelopment
of
these
properties,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
was
necessarily
here.
We
happen
to
be
restoring
a
church,
restoring
Cemetery,
preserving
a
church,
so
I
know
we.
We
differ
on
that,
but
I
I
leave
it
at
that.
Q
R
Q
Q
You
know-
and
this
tragic
gave
us
that
you
know
it
assumes
that
people
will
self-select
to
three
different
lots
and
we'll
just
all
go
to
the
nearest
one,
which
is
what
human
nature
is
so
first
they're
going
to
fill
up
the
I'm.
Sorry,
a
lot,
that's
closest
and
that's
going
to
be
taken
out
of
public
use,
essentially
so
I
think
that's
a
little
skewed
as
well.
B
S
Q
Document
that
we
just
got
this
last
month
is
the
first
thing
that
really
tries
to
pin
down
hours
of
operation,
but
it
doesn't
do
so
it
has
these
disclaimers
named.
You
know
generally
anticipated,
but
it
also
has
this
sentence.
The
parameter
specified
in
this
document
to
allow
for
flexibility
and
use
times
and
intensity
and
do
not
dictate
or
imply
a
set
schedule
at.
C
Q
I
Q
M
Q
C
F
F
F
C
Officer
so
then
I'm
going
to
stop
there,
because
we've
had
this
discussion
on
a
number
of
applications
where
noise
has
become
an
issue.
We
have
a
city
ordinance.
People
are
required
to
comply
with
the
law,
otherwise
they'll
be
subject
to
sanction.
It's
not
our
purview
to
talk
about
enforcement
or
otherwise
you
know
opine
or
question
whether
the
city
has
that
capacity.
Our
time
here
is
for
planning
board
matters
not
but.
E
A
A
We
have
I
think
this
might
help
address
the
issue.
One
thing
that
we
have
done
in
the
past
is
put
a
condition
in
the
resolution
where,
whereby
the
planning
board
retains
jurisdiction
and
allows
the
building
inspector
to
refer
the
the
special
permit
back
to
the
planning
board
in
the
event,
there's
a
situation
where
there's
repeated
violations
of
the
conditions
of
the
special
permit,
and
then
there
could
be
a
hearing
to
determine
whether
the
special
permit
sure.
C
K
P
So,
with
regards
to
the
management
plan
and
the
parking
attendees,
it
basically
notes
that
they're
going
to
be
arriving
one
hour
beforehand
before
an
event,
but
yet
you're
going
to
be
having
the
Cafe
open
depending
upon
the
number
of
guests
coming.
So
you
may
have
people
coming
to
the
event
that
want
to
use
a
cafe.
I
guess.
My
question
is:
is
an
hour
before
the
event
sufficient
for
the
parking
attendees,
depending
on
how
many
people
are
going
to
start
arriving
and
when
you
know
so,
how
was
that
one
hour
determined
so.
K
P
P
K
K
C
F
Just
one
last
question
and
when
you
do
the
next
draft
of
the
management
plan,
if
it's
not
in
there
already,
just
since
we're
at
this
level
of
specificity,
please
describe
how
the
cafe
will
be
kind
of
how
that
how
that
use
will
be
shut
down
and
phased
out
before
people
start
arriving
for
the
event,
so
that
you
don't
have.
You
know,
overlap.
E
Have
you
updated
that
see
for
seasonal
use?
That's
one
question.
Also
the
the
Tompkins
lot
was
observed
in
September
and
November
of
2021.
Has
that
been?
Has
the
use
been
updated
since
then,
and
you
also
know
in
a
report
that
you
were
these
observational
numbers
were
taken
shortly
after
those
lots
became
signed
for
open
to
the
public?
So
have
you
looked
at
updating
the
your
observations
since
then?.
L
I
can
yeah,
so
we
we
haven't,
looked
at
updating
those
specific
to
what
was
done
here
in
the
municipal
lot
earlier
this
year.
That
was
really
just
to
identify
the
usage
during
the
middle
of
the
day
when
we
know
there's
a
lot
more
occupancy
in
here.
We
probably
could
do
some
limited
studies
if
the,
if
that's
something
that
the
board
wants
to
see
some
new
observations.
If
that's
something
the
board
really
wants
to
see.
B
E
L
E
Okay
in
your
in
the
traffic
and
management
plan,
you're
originally
saying
you're
accounting
for
the
the
parking
lot
is
going
to
cover
the
hotel
guests
and
its
employees,
but
now
that
we
have
five
employees,
the
the
parking
lot
is
not
large
enough
to
cover
those
employees.
So
what
do
you
plan
to
do
for
them?.
L
Yeah
understood
I
mean
those
employees
are
going
to
be
here
at
various
times
and
obviously
they
would.
They
wouldn't
be
accommodated
on
site
and
we'll
have
to
find
another
location,
whether
it's
off-site
or
some
of
the
other
parking
lots
that
we've
identified,
that
we
may
have
some
agreements
with
in
the
future
to
to
park
on
so
we'll.
We
can
add
that
into
the
more
just
relevant
or.
E
E
Also
in
the
traffic
management
plan,
there
was
discussion
about
during
an
event
when
people
are
dropping
off
attendees
in
the
lot
there's
about
seven
there's
room
for
about
seven
or
eight
cars
between
you
know
the
driveway
cut
and
the
drop-off
point,
and
you
note
that
you
know:
should
traffic
back
up,
you
have
the
possibility
of
doing
a
two-way
alley.
So
roughly
it
seems
you
know
in
my
quick
count
that
there's
you
know
room
for
maybe
24
to
25
cars
in
the
entire
Loop
to
make
the
loop.
E
So
it
seems
to
me
like
there
is
a
possibility
of
a
log
Jam
forming
where
cars
are
not
able
to
get
back
out
onto
9d,
because
traffic
has
stopped
because
the
cars
are
backed
up
in
the.
So
have
you
looked
at
that
scenario?
What's
the
likelihood
that
that's
happening,
and
what's
the
frequency
of
that
traffic
Log
Jam,
we.
L
Can
talk
about
this
more
in
this
management
plan?
If
you
want
I,
think
one
thing
that
we
did
do-
and
this
is
actually
a
recommendation
from
Creighton
Manning-
was
to
add
a
third
parking
attendant
just
for
that
specific
scenario
that
they
would
be
posted
out
near
the
entrance
so
that,
if
that
were
to
occur,
we
could
make
adjustments
inside
to
to
move
traffic
along
or
direct
people
to
other
off-site
locations,
just
to
go
straight
to
parking
rather
than
coming
onto
the
site
to
drop
off.
L
E
Okay,
changing
to
a
different
subject:
you'd
speak
of
a
plan
to
restore
the
cemetery,
but
other
than
a
trail
through
the
existing
one.
We
haven't
really
seen
anything
like
what
the
restoration
plan
involves
and
includes
so
I'm
curious
about
that
and
for
our
for
John
Clark
I
had
a
question
about
the
code.
You
know
there's
like
a
standard
off
street
parking
code
requirement.
You
know
that
they're
there's
for
one
car
for
every
four
attendees
or
so
at
this
event,
and
it's
supposed
to
be
off
street
parking.
K
A
K
F
Traffic
Consultants
personally
observed
some
of
the
early
evening,
Rush
Hour
conditions
on
Wolcott
Avenue
route
90
when
it's
not
uncommon
to
have
traffic.
You
know
Northbound
traffic
backed
up
from
the
access
to
the
beacon-newburg
bridge,
just
about
to
the
intersection
of
Main,
Street
and
Wolcott,
and
it
has
the
traffic
planning
considered
what
would
happen
if
we
get
a
you
know
a
coincident
arrival
at
you
know:
participants
arriving
at
an
event
with
that
sort
of
bumper-to-bumper
traffic
and
I
see
it.
F
You
know
going
across
the
river
to
shop
for
groceries
at
6,
45
pm
on
a
weeknight
and
it's
it's
people
coming
out
of
the
train
station
and
heading
back
into
commuters.
So
you
get
I'm
so
yeah.
Just
a
question:
have
you
observed
that
and
as
the
traffic
planning
take
into
account,
that
kind
of
confluence.
L
I
think
we
talked
about
this
really
early
on
that
there's:
a
surge
of
traffic
from
the
train
station
that
goes
to
84
and
they're,
going
to
Newburgh
our
the
actual
traffic
analysis
that
we
did.
We
did
traffic
counts
during
those
peak
times
and
whether
or
not
the
event
is
going
to
occur
during
that
the
traffic
arriving
for
the
event
is
going
to
actually
occur
during
that
peak
time
we
didn't
really
take.
L
Take
into
account
the
fact
that
there's
this
peak
traffic
going
on
Walcott
on
Beekman
Street
from
the
train
station
and
in
fact
we
showed
a
poor
level
of
service
exiting
Beekman
Street
in
our
analysis,
specifically
because
of
the
train
traffic.
That's
there
today
and
and
other
traffic
that
you
know
in
the
growth
right
in
in
future
projects.
L
The
one
thing
that
our
analysis,
and
to
this
day
we
haven't
gone
back
to
change
this,
and
because
we're
just
providing
a
conservative
analysis
now,
but
that
analysis
was
based
on
the
original.
Well,
not
the
original,
but
the
350
person
event
that
we
kind
of
more
more
or
less
spent
a
little
bit
of
time.
Talking
about,
we
haven't
gone
back
to
update
that,
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
didn't
really
show.
M
F
F
L
L
I'm
I'm,
just
talking
about
at
The
Beekman
Street
intersection
likely
through
that
intersection
we're
going
to
have
southbound
traffic.
The
level
of
service
issue
is
actually
coming
off
of
Beekman
Street,
where
we
wouldn't
anticipate
at
that
time
that
we
would
be
adding
traffic
to
that
specific
movement
or
a
significant
amount
of
traffic
to
that
specific
movement.
That.
I
Q
F
But
the
in
the
longest
short
of
why
I'm
asking
this
was:
if,
if
your
report
shows
no
impact
and
create
Manning,
has
no
technical
disagreement
with
that,
then
the
traffic
issue
for
us
is
settled.
It's
done.
You
know,
there's
no
adverse
impact,
that
box
gets
traffic
traffic
I'm
just
saying,
but
and
that
you
know
all
right.
So
yes,
you're.
C
Right,
let's
go
to
the
public,
thank
you.
So
if
you
please
observe
our
three-minute
request
on
your
comments
and
please
self-regulate
with
courtesy
for
one
another
and
again
we
ask
that
you
confine
your
comments
to
those
relevant
to
this
application.
This
application
specifically
and
subjects
relevant
to
this
application.
Please
again
we
have
a
sort
of
a
three-minute
ask
on
your
comments
and
we
also
ask
that
you're,
courteous
and
respectful
to
the
board
members.
Thank
you.
S
S
A
tight
plan
should
have
every
structure
around
an
offense,
a
gravestone
from
a
historical
perspective,
who's
on
the
gravestone.
It
was
known
any
site
plan
that
doesn't
include
it
would
be
segmentation
and
that's
another
legal
matter
that
we
can
go
on
for
30
or
40
minutes
on
the
most
intriguing
to
the
benefit
of
those
who
suffer
from
the
historical
accident
of
having
their
houses
built
where
they
were
is
something
called
stigma.
S
So
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
policing
the
noise,
but
the
market
perception
of
a
change
in
the
environment,
to
which
oh
I
wouldn't
want
to
locate
there.
They
have
conscious
30
feet
away,
so
the
property
value
goes
down
because
the
market
perception-
and
this
is
a
well-established
legal
term-
and
that's
why
you
need
a
assessors
or
appraisers
to
participate,
because
there
is
an
economic
value
in
SQL
review.
S
From
my
position,
I've
stated
before
that
I
think
as
though
it's
an
under
under
development
under
investment
into
a
a
very,
very
strategic
spot.
It's
the
last
the
most
beautiful
spot
of
the
view
of
the
Hudson
Valley
closest
to
Main
Street,
and
that
there
is
a
role
for
the
community.
There's
a
role
for
the
city.
There's
a
role
for
the
state
Economic
Development
I
am
not
opposed
to
the
construction
of
Hotel
property.
I
am
opposed
to
under
investment,
because
really
the
property
should
be
hermetically
sealed.
C
M
Hi
Claire
Reed
and
I
own
13,
Hammond
Plaza,
first
of
all,
I
think
the
four
people
per
car
is
kind
of
ridiculous.
The
idea
that
you
said
you
were
looking
at
the
worst
case
scenario
and
then
say
that
you're
assuming
four
people
are
coming
in
every
car
is
is
silly
because
if
you
were
looking
at
the
worst
case
scenario,
you'd
be
looking
at
180
cars
I,
don't
think
you've
shown
why
people
would
be
incentivized
to
use
any
of
your
Parking
Solutions
if
they
can
park
on
neighboring
streets
when
that's
more
convenient.
M
M
You
can
have
as
many
parking
attendants
as
you
want
directing
people
wherever
you
want,
but
they
are
going
to
be
dropped
off
at
the
venue
and
they're
going
to
want
to
drop
their
children
off
at
the
venue
because
they
want
to
make
sure
their
children
are
going.
Their
teenagers
are
going
into
the
venue.
They
don't
want
to
drop
them
off
far
away
and
think
that
they're
going
somewhere
else,
then
even
worse,
is
when
they
need
to
be
picked
up.
M
The
parents
want
to
get
their
ahead
of
time
because
they
know
there's
no
parking
so
they're
going
to
sit
outside
the
venue
with
their
cars
running
the
engine's
idling,
especially
if
it's
in
the
winter
and
they're
going
to
be
waiting
for
these
kids.
So
they're
going
to
be
sitting
there
blocking
the
roads,
not
in
parking
lots,
not
waiting
for
shuttles,
not
in
remote
Lots
they're,
going
to
be
on
9d
or
Beekman,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
pretty.
It's
not
going
to
be
good
and
I.
Think.
M
T
Teresa
craft
based
on
tonight's
Workshop,
the
considerations
that
could
be
environmental
impacts
or
noise
fumes
traffic.
How
much
letter
writing
protesting
and
public
outcry?
Will
it
take
to
get
this
project
scaled
back?
Repurposing
a
historic
church
is
a
wonderful
and
exciting
idea,
but
everybody
can
see
this
large-scale
venue
operation
does
not
fit
into
the
small
site
location.
There
isn't
a
shoe
horn,
big
enough.
This
will
have
an
environmental
impact.
T
Why
is
the
applicant
counting
on
using
our
City's
public
parking
spaces
for
their
personal
profit
when
our
own
city
tax,
paying
residents
City
visitors,
will
also
be
in
need
or
want
to
park
in
these
city-owned
Lots?
Our
tax
dollars
are
maintaining
these
lots
and
paying
for
police
enforcement
that
will
be
needed
to
oversee
these
traffic
log
jams
that
will
become
our
weekly
dilemma
in
the
agenda
packet.
T
The
city
planner
is
calling
out
issues
of
inherent
problems
stating
that
the
developer
is
proposing
parking
attendance
to
be
on
site
for
larger
events,
but
how
will
the
daily
competition
between
hotel
events
attendees
five
for
too
few
parking
spaces
in
the
same
packet?
The
city
engineer
is
still
questioning
tour
buses
and
box
trucks.
Unloading
and
loading
at
this
site
and
the
proposed
headcount
far
exceeds
the
maximum
capacity
at
this
site.
You
need
to
look
at
another
scenario.
T
The
applicant
proposal
claims
to
have
180
attendees,
a
30-room,
hotel
and
28
employees
on
site,
there's
no
guarantee
that
every
hotel,
guest
staying
in
one
room
arrives
in
only
one
car.
What
happens
when
the
30
room
occupants
arrive
in
two
cars
that
could
be
more
cars
than
planned
for
only
the
hotel
at
the
end
of
this
project,
how
much
alterations
to
the
historic
church
is
allowable?
Does
additional
glass
layers
for
soundproofing
affect
the
historic
appearances
of
the
window?
Will
the
ashlar
paralyzed
ceiling
be
removed
or
covered
over?
T
U
The
plan
they
came
up
with
for
per
car.
What
was
the
last
time
you
went
to
an
evening
event
with
four
people
in
your
car
and
they
have
omitted
all
the
performers
as
I'm
married
to
a
musician
musicians.
Do
not
carpool
performers
do
not
carpool
because
they
usually
have
gigs
before
or
after
so,
and
where
are
the
sound
people,
the
lighting
people
other
people
that
you
need
at
performance
events,
so
you
were.
If
you
have
a
ballet
of
20
people,
you
have
20
extra
cars.
U
U
C
W
W
Is
there
going
to
be
a
designated
outside
smoking
area?
Is
this
going
to
be
next
to
the
apartments
or
the
condos?
That's
going
to
interfere
with
the
people's
lives,
especially
in
the
summer.
You
can
have
cigarette
smoke
in
your
face
being
that
I
live
on
Stratford
Avenue
and
they
just
put
curbs
in
the
road
is
even
more
narrow
than
it
had
been.
There's
we
had
a
party
once
and
people
were
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
street
and
the
police
came
and
they
had
to
move.
Well,
there's
no
signs
there.
W
So
also
my
question
is:
what
happens
if
they
don't
adhere
to
their
proposals?
What
happens
if
they
say
one
thing
it
doesn't
happen:
they
do
something
else.
They
get
fined.
I
mean
they've
got
a
lot
of
money.
So
what's
a
big
deal,
there's
no
incentive
for
them
to
stick
to
their
proposals
and
in
closing
our
the
car
is
going
to
be
able
to
stand
and
or
park
on
9d.
You
know
they're
going
to
do
that.
W
X
Hello
Jane
Riley
for
Stratford
Avenue
today
I
took
the
time
to
go
to
the
building
department
and
take
a
look
at
the
site
plan,
so
I
could
have
a
better
idea
of
what's
Happening
and
then
I
actually
went
to
the
site
itself
and
took
a
look
around
and
walked
around
the
whole
site,
and
it
is
a
very
tight
spot.
So
I
saw
that
the
entrance
is
going
to
be
where
it
is
today
and
the
x
is
going
to
go
in
the
back
of
the
rectory.
X
There
isn't
a
lot
of
space
to
get
the
car
there.
So
I,
don't
really
know
how
that's
going
to
work
and
then
the
hotel
is
going
to
be
built
adjacent
to
the
rectory
and
then
as
I
walked.
Okay,
so
here's
the
hotel.
Now
you
have
to
have
space
for
the
cars
to
turn
around
and
then
you
have
20
parking
spaces
back
there.
X
X
S
B
O
It
as
easy
as
as
non-easy
as
it's
been
for
you,
it's
even
harder
for
us
as
residents
quality
of
life
traffic,
all
of
those
things,
I,
don't
know
for
everyone.
I
think
quality
of
life
is
different,
especially
depending
on
age,
depending
on
family
circumstances,
depending
on
health.
All
of
that
but
understanding
this
project,
where
I
think
is
delinquent,
is
the
assumptions
in
behind
the
statements
or
in
behind
the
data.
Everyone
or
most
people
I
think
here
tonight
were
surprised
at
an
assumption
was
that
four
people
were
going
to
come
in
the
vehicle.
O
How
many
other
assumptions
have
been
extrapolated
on
and
we've
just
accepted
the
number?
Sometimes
you
have
to
dig
go
into
the
weeds
go
into
the
details
because
some
of
the
assumptions
they
may
not
be
intentional,
but
they've
been
extrapolated
and
therefore
the
top
level
that
we're
getting
we're
not
getting
down
deep
details,
we're
getting
top
level
details
and
we're
saying,
okay.
That
sounds
right.
We
can
live
with
that,
but
meanwhile
the
details
may
not
be
accurate
or
when
we
look
at
them
we
say
that
absolutely
makes
no
sense.
O
So
as
us
as
Community
trying
to
do
our
due
diligence
and
explaining
the
needs
of
the
communities
or
are
foreseeable
impacts
to
the
communities,
what
you
heard
up
here
were
assumptions
people
that
came
up
and
spoke
and
said
this
is
a
possibility
of
what
could
happen
that
same
chart
could
have
had
sliding
assumptions
extrapolations
of
if
it's
done
during
this
time,
based
on
our
timing
study.
This
is
what
we
anticipate
happening.
It
makes
it
easier
for
the
the
community
to.
O
And
what
I'm
saying
is
I've
lived
in
Beacon,
most
of
my
life
and
as
the
history
teacher.
If
you
lived
here
for
any
extended
period
of
time,
you
may
know
the
name
John
Gateway
and
one
of
the
things
that
he
would
say
is:
what's
your
price,
what
will
you
fight
for
and
I
think
that
right
now
we're
going
down
the
rabbit
hole
of
we'll
we're
dealing
with
negotiations
that
are
going
down
the
rabbit
hole
of?
O
When
are
we
going
to
hit
that
number
that
they'll
accept,
as
opposed
to
looking
at
the
impacts,
not
just
at
a
community
of
burying
neighbors,
but
what
this
type
of
event
center
or
whatever
new
name
you
want
to
give
it
will
have
to
our
community
so
I
appreciate
your
effort.
I
appreciate
the
vision
of
the
person
who
wanted
to
wants
to
do
this,
but
I
do
not
believe
this
is
the
right
location.
The
impact
to
the
community
I
was
brought
home
from
the
hospital
to
Beekman
Street.
O
F
You
for
your
time,
thanks
and
I
think
we
should
also
reassure
the
public,
though
again,
that
we
try
to
be
very
incisive
in
in
making
a
hard
look
at
these
projects,
and
we
also
have
an
attorney
a
planner,
an
engineer,
a
traffic
consultant.
That's
for
professional
experts,
assisting
us,
you
know
giving
us
their
opinions,
so
I
mean
just
remember:
we're
not
doing
this
in
a
vacuum
as
a
board
of
seven.
You
know
residents.
V
Evening,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Frank
Peter
Zach
I
live
at
30,
Beekman,
Street
and
I've
been
here
a
little
over
a
year
and
a
half
as
a
resident.
My
unit,
at
the
view,
has
a
bird's
eye
view
of
Beekman,
Street
and
I
get
to
watch
that
traffic
every
day.
The
traffic
studies
that
are
being
discussed,
I'm
sure
there's
some
basis
in
fact,
but
the
observations
need
to
be
done
more
extensively.
I
was
disappointed
to
hear
I
believe
it's.
V
Those
spaces
along
the
roadway
are
being
utilized
to
a
greater
degree
that
traffic
those
parking
spaces
remain
occupied
into
the
early
evening.
Hours
now
on
the
weekend,
you
may
say:
well:
gee
you're
not
going
to
have
people
commuting
to
the
city.
Conversely,
you
have
people
visiting
people
in
our
building
and
other
buildings
in
the
neighborhood,
so
there's
parking
replacing
the
commuter
parking
in
those
spaces
and
they're
extremely
limited
on
Beekman
I
run
around
this
block
twice
a
day
almost
every
day
and
sometime
at
seven
in
the
morning.
V
The
parking
is
all
the
way
from
the
MTA
police
station
up
to
the
view,
and
yet
right
in
front
of
my
building,
there
are
three
or
four
empty
spaces.
Well
at
the
seven
in
the
morning,
there
are
other
times
of
the
day
where
all
the
spaces
in
front
of
me
are
occupied,
same
thing
on
weekends.
So
I
would
implore
the
board
to
require
a
study
that
encompasses
all
of
the
potential
hours
of
operation.
Not
just
you
know
a
smattering
of
times
that
may
be
convenient
to
gain
certain
traffic
numbers
or
parking
numbers.
V
I
think
that's
imperative,
and
it
also
needs
to
be
done
over
a
period
of
time
when
I
first
moved
here
and
covid
was
still
in
its
in
its
strong
throws.
There
was
no
parking,
there
was
all
Open
Spaces
along
Beekman,
but
lately
and
I
say
lately
over
the
last
eight
months,
those
parking
spaces
are
becoming
more
utilized.
V
C
Y
Betty
Wall
ate
River
Ridge.
Thank
you
for
all
your
comments
tonight.
I
think
they
were
really
helpful
in
in
talking
about
the
Staffing
plan.
I
heard
mention
of
the
cleaning
staff
and
the
one
employee
and
the
restaurant
Cafe
people,
but
I
didn't
hear
a
mention
of
parking
or
anything
for
the
18
or
so
10
people
that
are
going
to
be
managing
the
event
they're
going
to
be
people
managing
the
event
and
I
didn't
hear
that
discussed.
So
maybe
they
can.
Y
38
residents
who
live
in
River,
Ridge,
Hammond,
Plaza,
West,
End
Lofts
and
the
view
submitted
letters
to
the
planning
board
this
week
expressing
their
continued
concern
with
the
prophecy
theater
proposal
and
they
rejected
the
applicant's
claim
that
concerns
expressed
by
the
neighbors,
who
will
be
mostly
impacted
by
this
development,
are
merely
speculative
just
to
be
clear.
This
included
residents
from
all
18
Homes
at
River
Ridge,
and
this
is
in
addition
to
the
73
letters
that
have
been
submitted
to
the
planning
board
over
the
past
few
months.
Y
Valored
concerns
regarding
the
proposal
are
raised
each
month
by
the
planning
board.
So
for
the
applicant
to
say
quote.
All
of
the
claims
of
environmental
impact
of
this
project
by
the
neighbors
are
merely
opposition
to
the
proposed
use
of
the
property
in
the
guise
of
environmental
impact.
Is
ridiculous.
Y
I,
don't
understand
how
a
conference
center,
which
is
an
acceptable
accessory
to
a
hotel
and
would
have
reasonable
hours
of
operation,
is
now
referred
to
as
event
space
that
can
hold
concerts
or
any
type
of
event
that
the
applicant
wants
and
then,
and
rather
than
be
straightforward
and
state.
The
days
and
hours
of
operation,
The
Proposal,
is
filled
with
disclaimers,
and
you
mentioned
many
of
them.
Y
Even
if
they're
very
limited
staff
is
able
to
get
crowds
to
leave
the
prophecy's
premises
in
a
timely
manner,
that
staff
will
have
no
control
over
what
those
crowds
do
after
they
leave
the
property.
They
have
no
ability
to
keep
those
crowds
from
gathering
on
neighboring,
residential
streets
or
developments
or
from
causing
disturbances.
Y
R
R
It's
my
understanding,
I
think
we
learned
this
at
the
last
board
meeting
that
the
only
restoration
was
going
to
be
a
path
and
perhaps
cutting
down
some
trees.
No
restoration
of
tombstones,
no
restoration
of
the
crypts
and
I
guess
a
question:
I.
Have
we
hear
restoration
a
lot?
What
is
the
restoration
of
the
church
going
to
include?
Is
the
steeple
going
to
be
re-shingled
or
the
doors
going
to
be
refitted?
There's
a
lot
of
grand
and
wonderful
things
about
the
church
and
again
I.
S
Z
Z
That
is
because
we
sit
right
next
to
the
site
and
we
have
absolutely
no
idea
of
what
will
unfold
if
this
proposal
is
approved
and
it
kind
of
made
us
sit
up
and
listen
with
this
month's
application,
because
it
felt
that
the
applicants
believe
our
concerns
shouldn't
be
taken
into
consideration
and
their
attitude
really
is
just
just
trust.
Us
we're
we're
going
to
do
the
right
thing
here,
but
we're
not,
as
the
developers
suggest,
citing
speculative
or
conclusory
factors
we're
just
neighboring
residents
and
human
beings
seeking
to
protect
our
quality
of
life.
Z
Z
Close
and-
and
that's
all
with
caveats,
so
I
think
it's
clear
that
we
all
have
no
real
idea
what
kind
of
event
space
this
would
end
up
being,
and
we
can
only
conclude
that
they
would
like
our
our
concerns
cast
aside,
because
we
think
they
think
it's
okay
for
the
for
them
to
profit
at
the
expense
of
our
quality
of
life,
and
they
owe
us
nothing
well.
We
owe
them
complete
compliance
to
their
plans.
Thank
you
for
listening.
Thank.
B
AA
Elliott
schriftman
six
River
Ridge
Court
I,
wasn't
planning
on
speaking
tonight
and
I'm
going
to
speak
about
hotels
of
which
I
have
some
experience.
Let
me
first
identify
myself:
I've
been
a
labor
and
employment
arbitrator
for
36
years,
receiving
5
000
designations
in
the
public
and
private
sector.
I
was
one
of
the
arbitrators
for
Major
League
Baseball
for
11
years
I'm
written
into
about
150
contractors,
one
of
three
arbitrators
I'm,
most
proud
of
my
status
with
the
hotel
and
casino
industry
of
New
York
I've
been
the
impartial
chairperson
arbitrator
for
that
industry.
AA
For
27
and
a
half
years,
I've
heard
over
a
thousand
cases.
I
know
what
hotels
are
about,
think
about
how
you
yourself
get
to
a
hotel,
you're
greeted
by
a
doorman
or
a
Bellman.
There
could
be
a
combo
job
in
a
small
hotel.
You
then
go
and
register
you
need
to
show
your
ID.
You
need
to
show
that
you
are
properly
there
or
room
attendant
must
take
that
information
you're.
Then,
given
electronic
key,
you
get
to
your
room,
you
pass
your
key.
That's
called
the
lock
interrogation.
Everyone
knows
that
you
entered
that
room.
AA
What
happens
as
it
often
has
happened
to
me,
you
get
the
wrong
key.
You
got
to
go
back
down
to
the
front
desk,
but
if
there's
no
front
desk
agent,
you
need
a
security
guard,
because
the
security
guard
has
a
master
and
his
or
her
lack
interrogation
card
will
show
who
entered
it.
Room
attendance,
clean
rooms,
they
they
have
a
quota.
If
they
have
a
suite,
it
might
be
10
if
it's
a
regular
room,
it's
about
14
at
a
maximum.
So
how
many
room
attendants?
Do
you
need
room
attendants?
AA
Don't
do
their
own
checkouts
room
floor
supervisors
do
and
they
make
sure
that
it's
done
properly,
and
so
that's
another
person
that
has
to
be
on
staff.
People
don't
all
check
in
at
the
same
time,
some
check
in
the
afternoon
what
happens
in
late
afternoon,
the
middle
of
the
night.
You
need
more
towels,
you
need
more
toilet
paper,
the
shower
head.
You
need
a
maintenance
person
to
come
fix.
The
air
conditioning
fix
a
myriad
of
things.
These
people
have
to
be
there.
AA
AB
Hi
Rich
Rifkin
10,
River
Ridge,
all
as
well
Mr.
Thank
you!
Oh
yes,
the
mic!
Thank
you
all
and
I
know
you
read
the
letters
which
is
obvious,
so
I
really
wasn't
planning
to
speak
much
because
I
think
between
the
Consultants
Mr
Clark's
comments,
The
public's
comments
and
our
notes.
We
stated
we've
stated
several
facts:
those
from
the
zoning
board
that
they
gave
to
you
regarding
different
circumstances
that
are
needed
to
make
this
a
positive
declaration.
AB
AB
AB
AB
If
we
are
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
taxpayer
number
or
if
that's
the
dollar,
that
the
applicant
is
going
to
pick
up
or
if
that
also
goes
with
his
Department
of
State
Transportation
Highway
application.
If
we
have
to
redo
the
streets
also,
we
all
know
these
three
parking.
These
three
parking
attendants
will
also
act
as
ushers
ticket
takers,
security
and
cleanup,
so
they
clearly
are
not
going
to
be
there
in
case
of
any
calamity,
and
that
is
going
to
be
upon
us.
AB
AB
So
that's
great,
but
we
have
to
think
about
that
and
then
what
else
was
I
was
thinking
about.
There
was
a
one
of
the
neighbors
here
has
made
a
great
comment
about
teenagers,
but
when
I
thought
about
teenagers,
I
wasn't
thinking
about
the
moms
and
dads
picking
them
up.
I
was
just
thinking.
Teenagers
are
just
Hooligans.
In
my
opinion,
they
will
be
the
ones
that
will
be
throwing
the
stones
in
the
cemetery
and
I.
AB
Don't
that's
that
and
then
for
the
cemetery
I
don't
know
if
the
applicant
is
he
does
he
even
have
experience
as
like
a
grave
keeper
or
a
funeral
attendant?
How
is
he
going
to
maintain
this?
Maybe
it's
better
not
to
even
open
that
up
that
cemetery
is
beautiful,
I,
don't
know
how
long
it's
been
not
attended
to,
but
I've
been
in
it.
It's
actually
very
beautiful.
AB
C
D
Yeah
I'll
close
this
out.
Do
it
so
once
again,
thank
you
for
listening
to
us
and
for
bearing
with
us
for
over
an
hour
now.
I
just
want
to
quickly
close
up
here.
So
our
our
objective
here
is
not
to
run
a
concert
venue,
but
rather
provide
a
multi-purpose
room
and
blank
slate
for
creative
and
thought-provoking
output.
We
are,
we
are
proposing.
What
we
are
proposing
is
more
comparable
in
size
to
the
Elks
club,
just
up
the
road
on
9d
and
even
a
bit
smaller
than
that.
D
Another
local
example
would
be
Saint
roccos,
which
is
on
South
Chestnut
Street
in
Beacon,
which
is
host
to
similar
size
events,
as
we
are
proposing
now
just
north
of
beacon
in
the
town
of
Wappingers
Falls.
We
have
the
river
valley,
Arts
Center,
which
is
housed
in
the
historic
United
Methodist
Church,
and
it's
in
a
similar
neighborhood
to
what
we
see
here.
D
They
have
a
capacity
of
175,
seated
and
350
standing
I
think
we
have
like
a
photo
of
that,
but
that
there
so
sorry-
and
they
too
rely
heavily
on
off-site
parking
off-site
parking.
This
list
goes
on
in
communities,
cities
and
towns
across
our
nation,
and
these
spaces
exist
in
abundance
and
are
the
cornerstones
of
our
neighborhoods,
contributing
something
special
that
everyone
can
enjoy.
So
we
had
originally
planned
to
host
occasional,
larger
capacity
events
in
order
to
enable
funding
for
lower
cost
Arts
and
Cultural
functions.
D
This
was
an
ambitious
idea
which
unfortunately,
unfortunately
came
to
dominate
the
conversation
here
as
the
centerpiece
of
our
purpose
among
among
the
general
public.
Now
we
are
no
longer
seeking
to
incorporate
any
of
these
larger
capacity
events
into
our
plans.
We
have
responded
to
our
neighbors
concerns
and
reduced
scope
of
all
event
space
related
operations.
The
management
plan
presented
with
our
last
latest
submission
helps
to
relay
a
clear
picture
of
what
the
church
can
accommodate
with
tables
that
depict
capacity
and
staff
scenarios
and
goes
further
to
explain
numbers
associated
with
guests
and
percenters.
D
The
plan
also
defines
some
extra
limitations
on
operation
hours
and
procedures
that
can
and
will
be
written
into
our
permit
as
we
discussed
earlier.
Our
project
is
typical
of
a
hotel
with
an
accessory
event
space
and
it's
commonplace
for
hotel
related
activity
to
intertwine.
With
local
involvement,
this
relationship
between
the
hotel
and
its
place
within
the
community
plays
a
critical
role
in
the
hotel's
purpose
function
and
clientele.
D
As
most
of
us
are
aware,
the
city
of
Beacon
is
largely
supported
by
Commerce,
that
is
entrenched
in
the
Arts.
Beacon
is
home
to
DIA
a
major
Arts
institution
located
within
walking
distance
of
our
hotel.
We
intend
to
gear
our
hotel
and
related
activity
towards
Arts
and
Cultural
use,
and
we
see
this
as
a
natural
fit
to
the
existing
environment.
D
The
accessory
event
space
will
be
set
up
to
accommodate
these
activities.
The
idea
that
a
hotel
can
function
as
an
incubator
for
the
Arts
is
perhaps
misunderstood
by
some
of
the
public.
The
role
of
the
church
building
is
to
support
this
functionality,
just
as
it
also
supports
a
wedding
reception
and
its
crew.
D
There
is
a
need
for
a
space
that
can
technically
support
artists
who
want
to
host
workshops,
hold
auditions
and
showcase
their
work.
There
have
been
substantial
efforts
to
mix
mischaracterize
our
mission
and
portray
us
as
a
group
focused
on
profit
over
community
I.
Assure
you
that
this
is
far
from
the
reality
of
what's
Happening.
Most
of
my
life
has
centered
around
working
with
small
Arts
institutions
and
Independent
Artists,
who
often
struggle
to
find
funding.
D
The
opportunity
arose
here
to
save
this
historic
church
space
from
becoming
a
corporate
Enclave
with
Luxury
Condominiums,
or
an
establishment
for
exclusive
use
by
people
of
wealth.
I
speak
regularly
with
neighbors
on
the
grounds
of
the
church,
who
have
told
me
that
they're
excited
and
eager
to
see
our
plans
come
to
fruition.
D
H
C
AD
Good
evening,
Mr
chairman
for
the
record,
Mike
bodendorf
engineer
for
the
applicant,
so
this
is
a
proposed
five
lot
subdivision
located
on
Highland
Avenue,
Grove,
Street
and
Anderson
Street.
We
last
appeared
before
this
board
in
September.
Since
that
time,
we've
made
some
changes
to
the
plans.
We've
responded
to
a
couple
rounds
of
consultant
comment.
Letters
we've
also
responded
to
planning
board
comments
and
public
comments
received
at
the
September
public
hearing.
AD
The
latest
changes
made
on
the
on
the
plans.
Is
we
reassociated
the
frontage
of
lot
3
to
Anderson
Street,
and
we
did
a
lot
of
work
in
re-grading
the
site
in
terms
of
raising
the
houses
and
raising
our
drainage
system
to
minimize
the
rock
cuts
that
may
be
encountered
during
the
construction
of
those
facilities.
AD
We
understand
that
there
is
a
draft
neck
deck
posted
on
the
agenda
site.
We've
reviewed
that
neck
deck.
We
everything
looks
good
to
us.
I
just
have
one
comment
that
actually
is
more
restrictive
to
us
in
terms
of
the
Indiana
bat
tree
removal
time
period,
I
believe
that
the
Indiana
bat
ends
at
March,
31st
and
long-eared
bats
end
at
November
1st.
So,
since
the
Indiana
bat
is
the
thing
that
comes
up
in
the
eaf,
we
should
probably
adhere
to
the
India,
and
in
that
appreciate.
AD
You
know,
as
far
as
plan
changes
aside
from
grading
changes.
You
know
we're
proposing
to
re,
to
remove
Seven,
Trees,
eight
inches
of
diameter
or
more
and
replacing
11
trees
and,
based
on
the
latest
comments
that
received
in
November,
we
may
be
even
adding
more
trees
again,
four
Lots.
None
of
the
lots
are
flag.
Lots
we're
proposing
a
private
road
which
all
the
Lots
will
gain.
Access
from.
AD
P
So
I
did
have
concerns
with
regards
to
some
of
the
houses
fitting
perfectly
within
the
setback
lines.
Now
that's
being
adjusted,
but
my
concern
was
a
self-created
hardship
if
these
homes
wanted
to
put
on
a
covered
porch
cover,
Stoops,
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
without
going
for
variance.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
if
they're
going
to
be
looked
at
for
these
additions,
we
should
consider
that
at
this
point
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
have
to
go
for
variances
and
there
are
no
hardships.
C
So
that
would
effectively
allow
you,
you
know
a
five
foot,
a
burden,
some
kind
of
deck
you
know
so
to
your
point
is
that
is
that
adequate
does
not
does
that
put
you
know
the
future
owner
in
a
position
of
this
self-created
hardship
and
as
a
board
and
as
the
applicant,
you
should
consider
that
strongly,
because
you're
basically
potentially
kicking
issues
Upstream
to
us
somewhere
in
the
future
and
the
applicant.
As
far
as
you
know,
the
need
for
a
zoning
variants
right.
AD
Right,
yeah
I
believe
that
that
provides
adequate
room,
and
certainly
you
know
we
have
to
come
back
before
this
border.
The
developer
would
have
to
come
back
whomever
builds
the
houses
here
would
have
to
come
back
for
a
plot
plan.
That
demonstrates
what
you
know
the
house
configuration
would
be.
The
developer
does
not
intend.
AE
AD
M
P
I
B
C
S
S
AF
AF
Currently,
there's
only
five
houses
built
pretty
much
on
the
entire
block.
The
proposed
development
is
for
for
additional
properties
to
be
built
on
that
just
small
parcel
with
Frontage,
supposedly
supposed
to
be
on
Grove
and
Anderson,
which
is
just
not
realistic.
It's
a
huge
there
is
no
direct
access
to
Grove
or
Anderson
from
there,
so
everything
is
essentially
on
Highland
place
and
I.
Just
think
that
placing
it
as
a
duty
for
our
community
to
to
be
building
this
as
if
it's
great
for
everyone
else
is,
is
just
not
realistic.
AF
So
that's
my
opinion
on
that.
I
will
read
this
brief
proposition.
That's
not
that
brief,
but
I'm
going
to
read
it
anyway.
12
Highland
places
in
one
acre
property
with
one
house
off
a
tiny
Narrow
Street
with
no
sidewalks
and
a
residential
area.
The
developer,
who
recently
purchased
the
property,
would
like
to
build
four
additional
houses
there,
since
the
property
only
has
a
small
amount
of
Frontage
on
Highland
and
no
actual
Frontage
on
surrounding
streets.
AF
AF
The
project
will
have
serious
negative
environmental
impacts,
as
well
as
negatively
affecting
the
safety
and
quality
of
life
for
everyone
who
lives
in
this
area.
This
lot
has
been
mostly
untouched,
with
only
one
small
home
on
it
and
abundance
of
bushes
trees
and
green
space.
There
are
many
animals
current
living
on
this
property,
including
the
Indiana
bat,
which
is
both
a
state
and
federally
endangered
species
due
to
human
disturbance.
It
is
a
precious
Green
Space.
If
this
precious
Green
Space
is
lost,
these
animals
will
have
nowhere
to
go.
AF
B
AF
This
is
also
a
major
concern
for
emergency
vehicles,
as
both
roads
are
very
small,
and
this
new
road
only
provides
access
to
and
from
Highland
with
no
room
for
emergency
vehicles
to
turn
around
I
would
say
that
also,
if
a
proposed
I
don't
know
if
this
is
true,
but
I've
heard
that
a
proposed
remedy
for
the
situation
of
no
space
is
that
no
parking
will
be
put
on
our
side
of
the
street,
which
luckily
we
have
a
driveway.
But
many
of
my
neighbors
do
not
there.
AF
AF
There's
kids,
that
walk
to
and
from
the
school
forestall
elementary
I
just
think
that
adding
several
houses
here
will
be
overall
damaging
to
certainly
us
who
live
right
in
the
meeting
area.
That's
why
we're
all
here
and
also
could
have
other
negative
effects
that
we're
not
thinking
about.
Finally,
I
would
just
say
that
I
understand
that
the
developer
bought
the
property
for
the
reason
of
making
some
money,
and
there
is
room
to
build
some
houses.
I
think
we're
only
asking
for
them
to
just
tone
it
down
a
bit.
AF
AG
Hello,
my
name
is
Dan
McGee
I'm
over
on
16
Spruce
Street,
so
right
at
the
corner,
where
Highland
and
Highland
and
Spruce
join
up
down
the
road.
Thanks
for
your
time,
I
will
say
before
a
few
things
I
wanted
to
mention.
I
do
recognize
the
changes
that
the
developer
has
made
in
reaction
to
some
of
the
things
that
we
raised
before
the
tree
reduction
down
to
seven.
AG
It's
great
certainly
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate,
seeing
the
feedback
noted.
So
thanks
for
that,
I
wanted
to
raise
kind
of
two,
the
statements
and
sort
of
questions
and
then
I'll.
Let
you
speak
to
them
as
well,
but
when
I
was
looking
through
the
environmental
review,
where
it's
the
sort
of
opt-in
to
whether
this
has
a
low
impact
or
a
Major
Impact
some
of
the
standards,
there
seemed
a
little
sort
of
static
as
a
minimum
and
I
wondered
like
whether
they
ever
thought
of
in
a
conditional
sense.
AG
AG
Thinking
of
some
proportionality
is
reasonable
too,
where
you
have
two
very
small
streets
that
are
essentially
sort
of
cloistered
off
of
one
very
steep,
very
dangerous
street,
with
poor
visibility,
and
so
a
hundred
I
think
is
not
necessarily
like
a
minimum
requirement
there
for
there
to
be
significant
impact
and
congestion
there
and
I
also
think
like
some
of
the
minimums
that
were
noted
of
well.
If
this
is
five
houses,
maybe
five
trips
in
the
morning
five
trips
in
the
evening
sure
on
paper
I
think
that's
not
unreasonable,
but
I
would
expect.
AG
Many
of
these
houses
will
have
two
cars.
There
are
errands.
There
are
other
things
throughout
the
day,
people
drive
like
that's
still
a
thing
that
we
do
in
the
city,
so
I
just
I.
Think
it's
some
of
these
and
I
look
at
this
and
see
like
no
to
low
impact.
I
can
see
a
situation,
an
environment,
a
street,
a
developing
area
where
that
minimum
is
sort
of
more
reasonable
and
and
as
a
sort
of
cut
off
for
impact,
but
here
I
think
the
small
size
of
the
neighborhood,
the
streets.
AG
The
traffic
concerns
should
be
taken
into
consideration,
with
maybe
a
lower
threshold,
so
it
was
one
thing
I
wanted
to
raise.
The
second
I
think,
by
definition,
the
aspect
of
is
this
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
community.
Does
it
change
the
character
of
the
community
on
paper?
The
sort
of
justification
given
of
this
is
already
an
existing
Suburban
neighborhood
with
homes,
we're
also
looking
to
add
more
homes
to
a
Suburban
neighborhood.
AG
That's
not
unreasonable
as
an
argument,
but
I
also
think
there
has
to
be
something
said
for
the
sort
of
strong
response
we've
seen
from
the
surrounding
community.
So
if
essentially,
every
surrounding
neighbor
on
Grove
in
the
close
proximity
on
Spruce
on
Highland
on
Anderson
have
all
said.
This
will
have
a
negative
impact
on
my
life
for
the
next
few
years
during
construction.
The
change
in
loss
in
the
Green
Space,
the
concerns
around
the
community
or
the
traffic
in
the
community
I
think
that's
also
a
meaningful
thing
that
we
should
consider
where.
AG
Yes,
these
are
more
homes
in
a
place
that
already
has
more
homes,
but
such
a
strong
United
reaction
from
the
surrounding
neighbors,
none
of
which
have
said
that
they
are
just
fundamentally
opposed
to
even
the
idea
of
development
or
building
on
a
parcel
that
someone
has
bought.
It
has
you
know
all
rights
to
build
on
and
make
changes
an
update
too.
So
it's
not
as
though
there's
just
an
anti-development
push
that
has
been
behind
this,
but
as
Everett,
my
neighbor
has
just
noted,
also
just
looking
for
a
more
reasonable,
measured
approach.
AG
AH
Thomas
Wright
24
Grove
Street.
Thank
you
for
your
service
to
this
community.
The
document
containing
the
reasons
supporting
nagtec
determination
states
that
there
will
be
no
impact
on
surface
water,
runoff
I
question
the
accuracy
of
the
statement.
Given
the
proposed
tree,
removal
on
the
very
steep
slope
of
Jason
took
Anderson
Street.
Does
the
total
number
of
trees
removed
include
trees
under
six
engines
in
diameter?
AH
N
AH
And
50
percent,
so
this
is
not
only
a
surface
water
issue,
but
a
soil
and
slope
stabilization
issue.
Also,
as
I
mentioned
on
September
13th,
there
was
a
note
on
the
site
plan
that
is
pointing
to
trees
that
are
outside
the
subject:
property
boundary
line.
That
seems
to
imply
that
trees
in
this
area
are
within
the
scope
of
the
proposed
site
plan.
Please
confirm
that
no
trees
outside
the
property
will
be
cut
regardless
of
diameter.
AH
B
AH
Negative
determination,
the
document
states
that
quote
the
proposed
action
is
generally
consistent
with
the
character
of
the
existing
neighborhood
I'm,
requesting
that
the
planning
board
to
scrutinize.
This
claim
carefully
keep
in
mind
that
in
this
neighborhood
homes
face
the
street
and
they
have
an
easily
recognizable
direct
connection
to
the
street.
Giving
the
impossibility
for
this
connection
on
Anderson
and
Grove
streets
because
of
the
steep
slope
and
in
Cabin
retaining
wall.
AH
The
applicant
is
resorting
to
a
workaround
resulting
in
the
pattern
of
development
which,
unlike
anything
in
the
neighborhood
into
my
knowledge,
as
no
precedent
among
single-family
residences
within
the
city
of
Beacon.
Note
that
Lots
one
two
and
three
have
been
revised
to
include
a
pedestrian
connection
to
Highland
in
the
form
of
a
shared.
AH
Wide
concrete
sidewalk,
as
with
lot
5,
this
appears
to
acknowledge
the
importance
of
connection
connecting
the
laws
to
the
street.
But
my
question
to
the
planning
board
is:
does
a
narrow,
sidewalk
serving
three
homes
actually
provide
a
connection
to
the
street
in
the
meaningful
sense
of
the
word?
How
could
this
possibly
be
described
as
consistent
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood?
In
other
words,
as
a
neighbor
to
the
subject,
property
I
feel
strongly
that
the
character
of
the
existing
neighborhood
means
something
more
than
solving
the
problem
of
how
the
mailman
reaches
the
front
door.
AI
AH
The
subdivision
breaks
this
relationship
to
the
detriment
of
the
community
around
it.
I
would
also
like
the
I'd
like
to
request
that
the
planning
board
explain
how
the
steep
slope
ordinance
does
or
does
not
pertain
to
this
project.
It
appears
that
well,
over
ten
thousand
square
feet
of
the
parcel
is
over
25
percent
again,
the
slope
at
Anderson
Street
ranges
between
40
and
50
percent.
Finally,
I
have
concerns
regarding
the
proposal.
AH
The
proposed
Private
Drive
in
the
portion
of
the
code
that
regulates
private
roads,
goats
code
states
that
the
city
planning
board
shall
not
approve
the
use
of
a
private
road
in
any
subdivision.
If
it
is
determined
that
the
youth
have
said,
private
road
is
not
consistent
with
a
health
and
safety
and
Welfare
and
convenience
of
the
proposed
users
of
the
road
and
of
the
people
of
the
city
in
general.
What
is
the
threshold
for
this?
What
standards?
AH
The
planning
board
use
to
determine
whether
or
not
something
is
consistent
with
a
health,
safety,
welfare
and
convenience
of
the
city
in
general,
given
that
this
subdivision
only
works
because
of
the
introduction
of
a
private
road
and
given
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors
regarding
traffic
and
disruption
to
the
character
of
the
existing
neighborhood
I'm,
requesting
that
the
planable
would
be
very
explicit
on
how
this
private
road-
and,
in
fact
the
subdivision
itself,
is
consistent
with
the
welfare
of
the
city
in
general.
Thank
you.
AH
AJ
AJ
The
zoning
that
would
allow
for
five
houses
to
exist
on
this
property
assumes
that
the
property
actually
has
the
required
Frontage
and
access
on
both
Grove
and
Anderson,
to
not
put
the
entire
burden
of
this
project
on
Highland
Place.
If
that
were
the
case,
I
would
be
home
watching
a
movie
with
my
kids
right
now
and
wondering
what
my
new
neighbors
would
be
like,
because
that
would
actually
make
sense.
This
does
not.
AJ
Unfortunately,
this
property
has
no
real
Frontage
or
access
on
either
of
those
streets
or
a
private
road
that
will
destroy
the
quality
of
life
on
Highland
Place,
never
would
have
been
suggested,
I
actually
used
to
live
off
of
a
private
road,
but
it
was
a
three-quarter
of
a
mile,
long,
private
road
that
only
had
three
houses
on
it
and
emptied
out
into
a
very
wide
main
road
that
made
sense.
This
does
not
it's
this
kind
of
exception
to
the
rule
that
makes
planning
boards
so
important.
AJ
The
sidewalk
that
supposedly
will
provide
access
to
growth
to
the
Lots
along
Grove
Street
really
only
indicates
that
that
will
be
more
of
an
incentive
for
those
people
to
park
on
Highland,
because
they
would
have
easier
access
to
the
street
and
easier
access
to
their
homes,
increasing
the
burden
onto
Highland
Place,
there's
no
clear
reason
to
approve
an
entire
mini
Community
to
be
built
off
of
entire
street.
But
if
you
do,
it
will
set
a
dangerous
precedent
for
developers
to
do
the
same
all
over
the
city
20
years
ago.
AJ
The
city
of
Beacon
realized
that
the
hell
on
Grove
was
a
dangerous
problem
and
that's
why
the
attempt
was
made
to
build
a
sidewalk
which,
as
you
know,
failed
miserably
and
required
the
building
of
a
wall
along
Grove
to
mitigate
the
damage
which
effectively
removed
any
actual
access
to
the
property
on
that
side.
At
the
time,
the
owners
of
12
Highlands
were
told
that,
due
to
this,
their
land
was
not
buildable.
AJ
Highland
Street
is
22
feet
wide
in
this
area.
The
average
SUV
is
five
and
a
half
feet
wide
and
the
average
pickup
truck
is
six
and
a
half
feet
wide.
Both
are
very
common
in
my
neighborhood.
If
an
SUV
and
a
pickup
truck
are
parked
on
either
side
of
the
road
that
would
leave
less
than
eight
ten
feet
in
in
between
them
in
good
weather
in
the
winter,
when
there's
snow
on
the
sides,
it
would
be
about
eight
feet
or
less,
given
the
fact
that
people
generally
leave
room
to
open
up
their
doors.
AJ
The
average
garbage
truck
is
eight
feet
wide.
How
are
our
garbage
trucks
supposed
to
get
down
our
block?
All
winter,
the
city
of
Beacon
fire
engines
rate
and
a
half
feet
wide?
How
will
they
get
down
our
block?
Much
less
be
able
to
turn
onto
a
private
road
if
necessary
on
garbage
day.
How
will
this
work
with
five
garbage
cans
and
five
recycling
cans
all
sitting
out
along
our
street
pick
up
in
our
neighborhood
is
on
Friday,
which
means
that
often
can
sit
out
on
weekends
when
people
go
away.
AJ
Highland
place
has
less
than
half
of
that
width.
The
code
also
States
when
a
subdivision
borders
an
existing
Street,
which
is
narrow
in
the
narrower
than
the
recommended
right-of-way
specified
of
the
sheets.
In
this
chapter
or
in
a
subdivision
borders
an
existing
Street
planned
for
widening
or
realignment
in
such
a
way
that
requires
the
use
of
some
land
in
the
subdivision.
AJ
It
also
says
that
the
city
planning
board
shall
not
reprove
approve
the
use
of
a
private
road
in
any
subdivision
if
it
is
deemed
that
said,
private
road
is
not
consistent
with
the
health,
safety,
welfare
and
convenience
of
the
proposed
users
of
the
road
and
the
people
in
general.
This
is
obviously
not
consistent
with
our
health,
safety,
welfare
or
convenience,
and
therefore,
according
to
our
code,
should
not
be
approved.
The
applicant
states
that
the
impact
on
traffic
is
minimal
and
would
not
create
a
significant
increase
in
traffic.
AJ
This
is
simply
not
rational
when
we're
talking
about
doubling
the
amount
of
homes
and
therefore
cars
on
the
street.
The
applicant
cites
The
Institute
of
Transportation
Engineers,
who,
on
their
own
website,
state
that
their
objectives
include
calming
traffic
calming
for
increasing
the
quality
of
life,
including
incorporating
the
preferences
and
requirements
of
the
people
using
the
area
working
playing
and
residing
along
the
streets
for
the
intersections
and
creating
safe
and
attractive
streets.
AJ
This
project
accomplices
accomplishes
the
exact
opposite
of
that
objective
by
making
the
street
overcrowded
and
unsafe
for
playing
the
applicant
states
that
noise
impacts
associated
with
construction
will
be
mitigated
by
limiting
construction
activities
into
the
hours
of
7,
A.M
and
7
pm
at
7
AM.
My
son
is
still
asleep
and
at
7
pm
my
family
is
eating
dinner.
Would
you
be
okay
with
somebody
jackhammering
into
Bedrock
right
next
to
your
house
during
those
times
the
applicant
states
that
the
proposed
action
is
generally
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
AJ
I
know
that
some
of
you
are
on
the
comprehensive
plan
committee.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
As
you
obviously
know,
the
plan
States
is
one
of
its
goals
is
preserving
the
existing
density
and
settlement
pattern
of
established
neighborhoods.
Creating
maximum
density
on
a
lot
by
creating
a
private
Community
off
of
a
private
road
is
certainly
not
preserving.
The
existing
density
and
settlement
pattern
of
our
established
neighborhood.
AJ
AJ
C
T
T
My
name
is
Teresa
Kraft
I
urge
you
to
not
to
deny
the
approval
as
submitted
that
would
allow
the
over
development
of
this
tiny
parcel.
This
is
a
list
of
probable
reasons
to
deny
this
application
and
preserve
our
neighborhood.
This
developer
is
creating
a
private
community
in
the
middle
of
a
tiny
street
that
goes
against
everything
in
the
city
code,
zoning
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
If
the
planning
board
allows
this
application,
it
will
set
that
precedent
that
will
make
it
impossible
to
deny
similar
applications
in
the
future
developers.
T
Targeting
Beacon
will
see
this
as
an
opportunity
and
start
putting
small
hamlets
like
this
one,
wherever
they
want
all
over
our
city.
Legal
counsel
mentioned
at
a
previous
Council
Workshop
that
the
planning
board
had
the
right
and
obligation
to
navigate
and
deny
a
Project
based
upon
the
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
public,
Wetlands
steep
slopes
and
the
most
important
one
quality
of
life,
which
includes
traffic
noise
and
the
character
of
the
community.
This
is
an
irresponsible
development.
T
This
is
building
five
homes
on
just
over
one
acre
I,
like
many
others,
are
asking
you
to
require
this
developer
to
scale
back.
This
project,
as
planned,
based
on
law,
quality
of
life,
traffic
noise
and
character
of
the
community,
going
forward
in
tightening
city
laws
and
codes,
I
hope,
the
city
of
Beacon
redacts,
the
1964
parking
Clause
that
comes
back
to
bite
Us
in
development
that
is
coming
up
to
information
today.
Thank
you.
AK
All
right,
Paul,
Lyons,
seven
Highland
place
I
live
directly
across
from
this
proposed
subdivision
that
private
road
is
going
to
be
emptied
out.
On
my
doorstep,
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
tonight
until
I
was
wait.
Last
meeting
it
was
proposed
that
the
developer
get
together
with
the
community
and
try
to
come
up
with
a
solution
to
this
proposed
subdivision.
AK
My
neighbor
Patty
and
Mrs
Thomas
he's
not
come
to
me
and
Jody,
who
are
definitely
more
affected
by
this
than
anybody
on
the
street,
and
what
did
he
say
to
Patty
he's
not
going
to
change
a
thing
that
was
his
comments
to
us.
So
I,
don't
understand
how
the
board
told
him
to
negotiate
with
us
to
come
up
with
a
resolution
and
he
he
doesn't
care
what
this
is
going
to
affect
us.
AK
In
fact,
when
I
was
first
told
about
this
by
Gary
he
laughed
and
told
me,
he
was
going
to
put
two
apartment
buildings
there.
I
didn't
laugh
then,
and
I'm
not
laughing.
Now
I'm,
just
dumbfounded
that
everybody
I
talked
to
thinks.
This
project
is
outrageous.
I'm
waiting
for
someone
on
the
board
to
raise
their
hand
and
say
this
is
crazy.
You
are
doubling
our
neighborhood.
C
I'm,
just
gonna
lay
out
what
we've
covered
a
number
of
times
in
our
workshops
and
in
conversations
so
bear
with
me
here.
There's
the
there's
a
big
difference
between
what
individuals
think
is
appropriate
as
far
as
what
happens
in
their
environment
and
obviously
all
of
us
are
human
beings,
and
we
are
sometimes
potentially
impacted
by
what
happens
in
our
surrounding
environment.
There's
a
difference
between
that
and
what
we
as
a
board
can
and
cannot
do
as
it
relates
to
the
specifics
and
the
law
around
applications.
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
Okay,.
AK
AL
Hi
Patty
caliber
to
43
Grove
Street
I
spoke
with
Gary
and
we
agreed
to
respectfully
disagree.
The
houses
are
going
to
face.
Two
of
those
houses
are
going
to
face
Grove
Street,
but
they
have
no
access
to
Grove
Street.
So
how
can
you
have
your
house
facing
a
street
where
your
front
door
is
and
you
can't
get
to
it
so
now
we
have
this
little
sidewalk
behind
trees,
but
does
that
sidewalk
go
to
the
road?
AL
No
goes
from
that
third
house
in
the
back
to
the
second
house,
to
the
other
one
that's
up
near
the
road,
but
it
doesn't
go
near
the
road,
so
it
just
connects
the
three
houses.
Why?
Why
are
we
connecting
three
houses?
All
right
that
didn't
make
any
sense
to
me.
So
I
obviously
think
that
if
he
put
three
houses,
okay,
two
would
be
ideal.
AL
AL
How
much
of
the
city's
time
and
resources
will
be
taken
up
when
one
homeowner
doesn't
have
the
money
on
hand
for
required
maintenance
or
when
they
disagree
on
plowing
Services?
The
city
has
approved
subdivisions
in
the
past
that
ended
up
costing
the
taxpayer.
Money
include
money,
including
at
least
one
from
this
very
developer,
which
include
that
included
storm
drains
that
were
supposed
to
be
private
and
maintained
by
homeowners
before
drainage
issues
forced
the
city
to
take
ownership
on
our
dime.
AL
Once
this,
these
properties
are
sold
those
responsible,
those
responsible
to
making
sure
that
the
maintenance
agreement
is
enforced.
Who
will
make
them
do
that?
How
will
we
know
that
the
homeowners
will
have
the
funds
available
for
surprise
repairs?
What
happens
when
a
sewer
clogs
and
requires
a
neighbor's
driveway
to
be
dug
up?
Who
is
responsible
for
the
art
for
I?
Don't
know
all
of
these
issues
as
they
arise.
How
realistic
is
the
area
of
to
disturb
how
realistic
is
the
area
of
disturbance
designed
for
this
project
due
to
its
size
and
location?
AL
It
should
require
a
storm
water
pollution
prevention
plan
because
of
the
steep
slopes
surrounding
the
site.
Failure
to
keep
storm
water
pollution,
preventive
plan
measures
inspected,
could
result
in
mud
and
water
flowing
out
of
the
site
and
onto
and
into
the
cash
basins
and
the
Fishkill
Creek.
It
is
sufficient.
This
is
a
sufficient
project
and
the
true
impact
from
it
won't
be
known
for
years.
We
do
know
that
it
isn't
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
we
do
know
that
is
not
consistent
with
our
zoning
code.
AL
We
do
know
that
this
project
creates
a
significant
safety
concerns
both
to
the
residents
of
the
immediate
area
and
the
children
walking
to
the
Forestville
school
and
those
going
to
the
churches
below.
We
do
know
that
this
project
creates
an
alarming
pers
precedence
for
small
communities
to
pop
up
all
over
baking,
creating
dangerous
and
unnecessary
crowding
in
all
our
neighborhoods.
AL
We
do
know
that
this
project
was
significantly
decrease,
the
quality
of
life
for
all
the
residents
living
in
the
in
this
neighborhood
and
the
surrounding
area.
We
do
know
that
more
than
200
of
our
neighbors,
my
neighbors,
have
signed
a
petition
urging
you
not
to
allow
this
to
happen
with
all
of
the
studies
and
the
environmental
impact
that
I
have
cited.
Our
city
codes
make
it
very
clear
that
this
planning
board
has
not
only
the
authority
but
an
obligation
to
say
no
to
this
project.
Your
community
is
watching
and
we
are
counting
on
you.
AL
AM
Hi
there
Nicole
Gifford,
21,
Highland,
Place,
well,
I
appreciate
the
follow-up
on
some
of
the
issues
that
the
community
raised.
Last
time
we
met.
There
are
some
that
still
feel
unresolved.
The
first
is
that
it's
not
inconsistent
with
Community
plans
and
character.
The
community
in
question
includes
six
single-family
homes
on
a
block.
That's
just
over
300
feet.
I,
don't
see
how
almost
doubling
the
amount
of
homes
and
adding
up
to
20
people
on
one
single
law
can
be
considered
consistent
with
the
character
of
the
existing
community.
AM
There's
no
way
that
the
quiet,
very
low
traffic
Street
can
still
exist
with
that
many
more
cars
and
people
and
Highland
place
is
not
set
up
to
have
this
influx
of
activity.
There
are
zero
sidewalks
on
a
block
that
has
kids
of
varying
ages
and
pets
that
are
able
to
be
outdoors
without
fear
of
cars.
Buzzing
up
and
down.
AM
To
also
say
that
the
proposal
will
not
have
significant
adverse
impact
due
to
noise
or
light
seems
near
impossible,
I'm,
given
the
amount
of
homes
being
built
and
how
many
trees
and
natural
foliage
will
need
to
be
removed.
Also,
although
temporary
the
amount
of
noise
and
the
simultaneous
construction
of
five
separate
homes,
plus
Rock
entry,
removal
and
we'll
have
a
very
significant
adverse
impact
on
the
current
residents
and
if
we're
being
realistic,
it
will
be
for
a
significant
amount
of
time.
AL
AD
I'll
try
to
address
what
I
heard
you
know
there
was
a
lot
said
there,
but
you
know
we're
not
proposing
any
disturbance
to
the
steep
slopes
along
Anderson
Street
we're
proposing
a
pretty
elaborate
drainage
system
to
catch
nearly
one,
probably
100
percent
of
the
impervious
associated
with
the
site,
we're
not
adding
any
drainage
towards
Anderson
Street.
What's
on
that,
slope
will
still
go
there
and
they'll
probably
be
less
drainage
that
goes
to
that
street.
AD
With
regard
to
trees,
cut
outside
the
property,
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
the
gentleman
meant
about
that
I,
we
will
be
removing
some
trees
along
the
frontage
of
Highland
just
for
the
installation
of
the
the
private
road,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
that
comment
is
about
there.
You
know
there's
a
number
of
Roads
in
the
city
of
Beacon
that
are
between
22
feet
and
24
feet
that
have
curbs
on
each
side
that
allow
parking
on
one
and
then
sometimes
two
sides
of
that
street.
AD
AD
You
know
this:
this
site
does
have
enough
area
to
provide
another
lot.
Just
by
the
r110
and
R15
areas.
You
would
have
to
be
very
creative
with
the
engineering
I
I'm,
not
saying
we
could
do
it,
but
we
didn't
pursue
that
and
as
far
as
the
consistency
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
the
R15
zoning
district
and
density,
that
that's
the
most
predominant
zoning
District
in
the
city
of
Beacon.
C
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A
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AD
C
Potential
scenario
on
a
lot
like
this
different
conditions:
perhaps
the
subdivision
could
and
I've
seen
these
before-
have
five
Lots
with
five
Outlets
one
per
one
per
lot
right
in
this
scenario,
there's
one
per
five
one,
four
five
right
correct,
so
one
could
argue
that
reduces
the
amount
of
incidents
where
individual
individuals
could
be
pulling
out
or
otherwise
backing
out
onto
a
street
simultaneously
right
right.
At
the
same
time,.
AD
There
was
a
mention
about
a
stormwater
pollution
prevention
plan.
This
site
doesn't
qualify
for
that,
but
we
do
have
an
erosion
and
sediment
control
plan
in
place
for
during
construction.
You
know
to
minimize
sediment
transport
erosion,
those
kinds
of
things,
but
as
far
as
the
the
higher
level
of
pollution
prevention
plan,
which
I
don't
think
the
commentator
was
alluding
to
larger
sites
that
are
non-residential
over
an
acre
of
disturbance
qualify
for
that.
AD
This
is
a
residential
project
where,
if
you
disturb
five
acres
or
less
well,
between
one
and
five
acres,
you
fall
under
the
requirement
of
a
stormwater
pollution
prevention
plan.
We
don't
we're
not
disturbing
more
than
an
acre
in
this
case,
but
we
are
providing
that
erosion
and
sediment
control
plan,
which
would
be
part
of
a
storm
water
pollution
prevention
plan
for
a
site
that
disturbs
between
one
and
five
acres
right.
C
You
know
I
promised
myself.
I
would
take
lesser
opportunity
to
sort
of
opine
on
qualitative
issues,
but
there
are
developers
who
have
a
sense
of
public
and
neighborly
responsibility,
and
there
are
others
who
don't
so
just
relative
to
and
I
know.
The
applicant
himself
is
not
here
the
concerns
expressed
about
the
and
again
qualitative
aspects
of
this.
AD
C
I'll,
just
I'll
put
it
this
way.
You've
heard
tonight
that
there
were
two
attempts
made
and
they
were
and
again
these
are
different
experiences
being
conveyed,
but
very
valid,
because
their
felt
experiences,
they're
experienced
doesn't
sound
like
they
were
very
successful
or
that
they
landed
at
least
enough
to
resonate
with
this
applicant
I
would
implore
you
to
share
back
with
him
because
I
hope
he
might
not
be
but
I
hope.
B
C
Reading
and
hearing
all
of
the
concerns
expressed
by
the
people
who
live
in
proximity
to
this
piece
of
property
that
he
bought
and
decided
to
develop
in
a
way
that
quite
a
few
of
his
neighbors
have
deep
concerns
over
I
implore.
You
to
go
back
to
him
and
share
what
you've
heard
tonight
and
what
you
heard
in,
because
I
was
here
two
months
ago.
That
meeting
as
well
and
what
you're
probably
going
to
hear
because
we're
we're
talking
about,
seek
Republic
hearing
right
now.
C
AD
AD
You
know
they
have
all
these
two
to
two
and
a
half
mile
radiuses
around
whether
there
was
potential
habitat
or
known
habitat
or
Roost.
That's
what
this
site
falls
under.
There's
the
centered
line
of
this
two
minute,
two
to
two
and
a
half
mile
radius,
which
you
can't
really
measure
on
these
small
Maps,
was
over
near
Castle
point
this
site,
just
barely
Falls
within
that
area,
and
that's
just
a
standard
thing
that
the
dec
uses
it
might
mean
that
these
bats
could
come
out.
A
Have
so
that
that's
in
your
negative
depth
of
draft
negative
declaration
there's
a
restriction
that
the
applicant
cannot
remove
trees
within
a
certain
period,
which
is
like
the
the
roosting
period,
so
they're
not
taking
trees
down
while
Indiana
bats
could
potentially
be
roosting
there.
But,
as
the
applicant
said,
there's
no
known
identification
of
an
Indian
bat
on
this
property
of
it.
Just
it
falls
Within
the
potential
radius
for
potential
habitat,
but.
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I
AC
F
P
F
AO
AO
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M
AD
AD
AD
C
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AD
C
I'm
going
to
restate
what
I
said
before
there
are
a
number
of
developers
that
we've
we've
worked
with
here
on
the
planning
board,
who
listen
very
closely
to
their
neighbors
and
the
public
input,
and
you
you
see
a
real,
a
real
effort.
You
see
it
the
next
time
the
application
comes
back.
It's
very
satisfying
because
you
can
tell
they've
listened
to
us
and
they've
listened
to
the
concerns
of
their
neighbors.
There
are
others
that
don't
and
I'll
be
blunt.
It's
evident
they
just
don't
give
a.
C
C
C
C
Now
secret
remains
open.
We
calendared
subdivision
public
hearing
for
next
month
only
if
they
satisfy
secret
only
then
we
can
close
secret
and
then
we
can
open
subdivision.
You're
welcome.
Okay,
next
item
on
the
agenda,
we're
going
to
continue
our
hearing,
our
public
hearing
on
an
application
for
special
use,
permit
site
plan
and
subdivision
Marabou,
Inn
and
Spa
hi.
AN
Oh
sure,
that's
okay,
yeah!
So
we
we
just
would
like
to
update
you
on
some
of
the
planned
revisions
that
we've
made
as
a
result
of
the
last
meeting,
and
some
of
the
comments
that
we
received
in
the
meantime.
So
I
will
let
we
can
go
into
whatever
level
detail.
You
like
you
know
during
the
presentation
or
at
the
end
of
it,
and
then
entertain
the
professionals
comments
as
well,
so
I'll,
let
David
Boyce
from
Earl
Street
Lead.
Our
presentation.
AP
So
we
have
a
lot
of
material
here,
but
the
goal
with
the
material
is
really
to
just
kind
of
highlight
the
changes
that
we've
made
since
the
last
site
plan.
Meeting
we've
had
meetings
with
the
ARB
and
team
have
had
meetings
with
the
trail
The
Greenway
Trail
and
we've
made
some
changes
related
to
all
of
that.
So
this
is
our
master
plan
and
there
are
a
number
of
items
that
were
asked
for
the
last
time.
One
of
the
simple
ones
was
a
clear
delineation
of
the
wetlands
which
we've
done
we
have.
AP
We
had
received
some
letters
from
the
Neighbors
about
some
of
the
internal
Pathways
being
close
to
the
properties,
so
we've
removed
those
Pathways.
That's
number
two
number
three
is,
and
we
talked
about
this
last
time,
we've
added
some
specialty,
Paving
and
signage
within
the
site,
and
there's
also
a
management
plan
to
keep
traffic
in
larger
Events
off
of
Mirabelle
Lane.
AP
AP
So
those
are
the
main
changes
in
the
site
plan.
That's
been
submitted
for
the
master
plan.
This
is
our
plan
for
phase
one,
which
includes
some
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about.
Obviously
the
it
has
the
Mansion
renovation
to
the
shippo
standards.
It
has
the
spa
building
and
the
75
guest
rooms,
five
Cottages,
which
will
show
plans
and
renderings
of
those
Cottages
which
we
hadn't
shown.
Previously.
It
has
the
trail
Network
it
has
the
Landscaping
along
9d.
It
has
the
gravel
walkway
and
there
are
a
number
of
buildings
that
will
be
protected
and
preserved.
AP
One
of
the
bigger
comments
that
we
had
last
time
was
about
the
greenway,
Trail
and
Ed
can
answer
questions
specifically
about
that.
But
there
have
been
follow-up
meetings
and
there
has
been
some
discussion
and
agreement
about
how
that
could
work
and
that
yellow
line
the
dashed
line
represents
what
we
think
could
work
on
our
site.
AP
And
I'm
trying
to
move
relatively
quickly
because
it's
been
a
long
night
for
everybody,
so
we,
the
the
you've,
seen
these
elevations
before
we're
going
to
show
you
a
series
of
renderings
as
well
elevations,
obviously
important
architectural
drawings,
but
they
don't
really
show
the
relationship
of
the
building.
The
way
that
we've
decided
the
building
to
bend
it
to
to
create
different
roof
elevations
to
manage
the
scale
of
the
building
throughout
the
site.
AP
The
Cottages,
we'll
talk
about.
So
when
we
went
and
worked
on
the
design
of
the
Cottages.
We
looked
at
a
number
of
things.
We
we
had
done
a
bunch
of
historic
research,
I.
Think
we've
shown
you
some
in
the
past.
Part
of
that
was
really
looking
at
some
of
the
buildings
that
had
been
both
on
this
site,
but
also
in
other
sites
in
Beacon.
Some
of
these
really
nice
Cottages
were
at
the
Wilderness
site.
AP
As
we
looked
at
it,
we
did
a
bunch
of
different
design
studies
and
in
terms
of
how
they
fit
on
the
site
and
the
massing
how
they,
you
know,
we're
perceived
in
the
landscape.
What
we
came
up
with
was
kind
of
using
the
tire
on
the
Gatehouse
South
Gate
house,
and
a
little
bit
of
inspiration
from
the
Wilderness
Ice
House
to
create
our
massing
up
for
these.
AP
The
five
Cottages
we're
not
going
to
go
into
detail
on
these
what's
important
here
is,
as
we
did
this,
we
actually
reduced
the
size
of
the
of
each
of
these
buildings
by
about
200
square
feet,
each
so
we've
compressed
them.
We
felt
that
they
fit
a
little
bit
better
in
this
site
as
well
elevations.
You
can
see
relatively
small
buildings
we're
trying
to
keep
them
feeling
small,
there's
a
very
small
space.
AP
AP
AP
We've
had
extensive
conversations
about
the
the
stone
foundations
and
some
of
the
stone
that
we
have
on
The
Grotto
rooms,
kind
of
a
more
of
a
hand-cut
Fieldstone.
Look
a
national
pattern:
the
smooth
siding
materials
there
are
some
textured,
the
textured
fiber
cement
is
more
of
a
stone
look
and
it's
limited
to
the
small
building
that
we
have
for
the
the
meeting
room.
AP
And
then
one
of
the
concerns
in
the
past
have
been
about
the
brick
for
a
building
is
relatively
small,
as
we
have
at
the
front.
Full
dimensional
masonry
is
typically
as
a
cost
effective
as
the
Thin
brick
and
the
you
know
we
actually
all
of
our
detailing
is
really
to
create
a
depth
on
the
facades.
Part
of
what
we
want
to
do
here
is
to
to
create
a
sense
of
mass
and
a
sense
of
permanence
to
these
buildings.
AP
AP
Just
a
quick
reminder,
you
know
part
of
what
we're
doing
is
bringing
this
back
with
the
to
shippo
standards.
An
important
aspect
of
this
project
are
the
the
tax
incentives
for
the
historic
preservation,
so
we
do
consistently
go
back
to
the
historic
images
and
then
a
reminder
of
what
it
looks
like
today.
AP
You
can
go
to
the
next
one
and
then
we'll
show
you
some
renderings,
some
that
you've
seen
before
so
one
of
the
things
on
this
one.
If
we
go
to
the
next
one
and
and
some
of
these
you
you've
seen
in
our
last
ARB
meeting,
there
was
some
discussion
about
the
pylons,
the
entry
piers
and
getting
a
little
bit
more
inspiration
from
the
actual
site.
So
we
we
did
go
back
and
look
at
that
and
have
made
some
modifications
here.
AP
We
did
feel
the
finial
on
top
was
a
little
heavy,
but
we
went
a
little
further
and
we
actually
looked
at
the
cap
on
the
pier
itself
and
felt
that
that
was
a
little
bit
heavy
in
our
previous
design
as
well.
So
this
is
our
modified
design,
obviously
picking
up
from
the
entry
for
kosher
and
some
of
the
other
materials
that
we've
seen
on
the
site.
AP
One
other
thing
that
we
know
is
going
to
come
up
in
the
future,
and
this
is
by
no
means
a
signage
presentation.
But
we
did
want
to
just
be
upfront
about
this
and
talk
about
this.
We
do
see
some
signage
on
these
Piers
we'd
like
to
put
a
blade
sign
on
the
south
Pier.
We
looked
at
it
from
both
sides.
There's
some
benefit
to
the
north
Pier,
but
we
also
think
it's
going
to
actually
impede
your
view
of
the
Mansion,
so
we
don't
want
to
do
that
from
the
south.
AP
AP
We
can
get
a
small
LED
in
there
just
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
glow
to
those
pylons
that
piers
at
night
and
and
obviously
the
signage
will
have
a
little
bit
of
lighting,
but
we
are
not
lighting
designers
in
Woolworth
through
that
in
the
future.
This
is
a
rendering
you've
seen
before.
What's
different
here
is
that
we've
added
the
Landscaping
in
the
front
area,
so
there's
a
lot
more
Landscaping
in
that
area
in
which
Shields
the
view
of
the
front
entry.
Circle.
AP
There's
really
no
change
to
this,
rendering
that
you've
seen
in
the
past
and
then
we're
going
to
show
some
of
the
renderings
that
we
showed
to
the
design
review
board
of
the
Architectural
Review
Board,
which
I
don't
think
the
entire
site
playing
committee
has
seen.
This
is
a
view
of
the
front
of
the
Chateau
or
the
hotel
building.
AP
AP
and
then
just
a
looking
from
the
south.
Looking
back
to
the
north,
you
can
see
how
we're
stepping
the
building
down
also
to
to
reduce
the
scale
on
the
garden
side.
You
know,
we've
talked
a
lot
in
the
past
about
The
Grotto
rooms.
This
is
our
current
view.
We've
worked
with
landscape
and
worked
hard
to
figure
out
exactly
how
to
to
embed
those
those
guest
rooms
into
the
landscape.
AP
Obviously,
there
are
some
areas
as
we
get
closer
to
the
mansion,
where
that's
just
not
possible
because
of
the
grades,
but
we
also
feel
the
stone
that
we
picked
is
very
similar
to
the
historic
foundation
of
the
Mansion.
So
we
feel
that
there's
a
Synergy
there
and
then
the
view
looking
out
into
the
gardens
Into
The
Meadows
Beyond.
This
was
an
important
view
because
we
had
talked
in
the
past
about
the
impact
of
the
cottages
and,
if
you
look,
you
can
sort
of
just
make
out
the
chimneys
of
of
the
Cottages
in
this
View.
AN
So
last
Friday
we
had
Jonathan
Del
past
my
partner
and
Thomas
Wright
and
mayor
karius,
who
had
a
very
productive
walk
along
the
creek.
So
the
the
solid
line
is
the
trail.
That's
on
the
west
side
of
the
creek.
The
dash
line
is
the
trail.
That's
on
the
east
side
of
the
creek,
so
the
very
thin
lines
are
we'll
call
them
Resort
Trails
for
now,
so
that's
primarily
used
for
our
guests
and
they
end
up
down
by
the
school
and
the
tennis
court,
and
then
they'll
lead
up
to
the
Promontory
that
overlooks
the
falls.
AN
The
dashed
line
is
what
we
agreed
upon.
The
first
stage
was
whether
this
works
and
we
can
do
it
and
it
does
and
the
next
one
is,
you
know
what
kind
of
controls
do
we
have
and
how
do
they
tie
together?
So
the
dashed
line
is
what
we
walked
on
Friday
morning
and
actually
for
the
most
part,
running
North
and
South
follows
the
existing
sewer
easement
line,
and
then
it
goes
off
to
behind
some
of
the
property
owners
to
the
north,
and
it's
pretty
spectacular
actually.
AN
So
the
merging
point
is
when
you
get
down
by
the
waterfalls
and
then
you
wrap
around
the
knob
that
sits
above
the
old
school
and
then
you'll
end
up
down
at
the
bridge
or
whenever
the
bridge
comes
about.
You
know,
I
think
the
only
concern
it
has
to
be
a
very
passive
Trail,
because
a
lot
of
it
goes
right
through
Federal
wetlands,
but
it
could
be
Passive
by
just
you
know,
taking
a
portable
chipper
and
just
chipping
up
all
the
debris.
AN
That's
there
and
just
you
have
a
three
foot
wide
path
and
then,
when
you
get
up
to,
there
have
to
be
some
fencing
for
safety
for
the
waterfalls
Overlook
and
that's
where
things
kind
of
merge
and
tie
together,
but
it's
definitely
doable
yeah.
So
we'll
you
know,
we
don't
know
what
the
timing
is
of
this,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
we
can.
We
can
plan
on
and
incorporate
into
the
site
plan
when
we
get
down
down
by
the
ponds.
The
South
Pond
is
actually
upon
the
North.
AN
AN
AN
Well,
you
know
we
don't
we're,
not
sure
it'll
be
part
of
phase
one.
It
also
goes
back
to
you
know.
Where
are
people
going?
Where
are
the
public?
How
are
they
getting
to
our
Northern
property
line
when
they
wrap
around
the
knob
of
the
waterfalls?
Is
there
going
to
be
a
bridge
that
they
go
to
that
crosses
the
stream
and
goes
to
the
Madame
Brett
Park,
you
know,
there's
a
question
about
parking,
there's
really
no
parking.
The
parking
is
at
the
park
on
the
other
side
of
the.
AN
AN
AN
C
C
AN
Yeah
it
all
fits
within
the
city
right
away.
The
ground
is
basically
level
right
now,
yeah
because
you
know
in
our
master
plan
we
have
our
farm
site
and
then
we
have
the
other
Cottage
development
site.
So
once
we
come
back
to
you
for
those
phases,
then
then
we'll
improve.
You
know
improve
the
walking
path,
as
we
go
understood.
C
C
P
So,
as
I
did
alluded
to
they're
looking
to
put
in
the
pathway
along
Grandview
Avenue
right
now,
the
details
call
for
stone
we're
thinking.
It
should
be
something
a
little
bit
more
durable
and
easy
to
be
maintained,
especially
during
winter
months.
Also,
given
the
grade
along
Grandview,
Avenue
I
have
concerns
with
this
gravel
pathway,
just
washing
out
so.
AN
AC
P
60,
it's
60,
000
I,
think
the
detail
calls
for
three
quarter:
inch,
Stone
gravel,
so
you
know
get
concerned.
You
heard
from
the
residents
pushing
baby
carriage
I,
really
don't
see
you
pushing
up
a
hill
in
three
quarter
inch
Stone.
Maybe
you
want
to
look
at
some
using
some
other,
maybe
stone
dust,
something
else.
That's.
AN
AN
Want
any
have
any
hard
surface,
you
know
the
city
administrator
recommended
that
if
you're
gonna
have,
if
you
call
it
a
sidewalk,
it
has
to
be
built,
the
city
specs,
you
know
the
city
will
have
to
maintain
it
because
it's
in
the
city
right
away,
you
know
they're
going
to
have
to
shovel
it
or
whatever
you
know
it's
going
to
have
to
have
a
curb.
So
it's
much
more
robust
to
get
to
that
level.
C
Or
something
I'm
hearing
your
concern
being
again,
that's
why
I
asked
earlier
the
sequencing
so
I
understand
the
desire
not
to
have
to
spend
money
just
to
rip
it
up
again.
So
this
is
somewhat
of
a
temporary
solution
until
you
get
to
the
next
phase
and
can
thoughtfully
put
a
permanent,
concrete,
curb
into
City
specs
right.
What
I'm
hearing
John's
concern
being
is
that
at
least
what
you've
proposed
for
that
temporary
for
now,
you
might
want
to
reconsider
something
a
little
bit
more
durable
but
not
permanent.
You
know
what
I
mean
yeah.
AN
AN
AN
AN
I
I
AN
P
H
P
C
N
Q
AN
So
with
the
Buckeye
Henry
managed
the
the
root
assessment
today,
where
they
did
the
air
spading
right
Henry
can
go
in
more
detail,
I
think
they
went
down,
18
24
inches,
so
we'll
be
able
to
build
the
sidewalk
when
we
widen
9d,
you
know
safely
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
different
sub
bass
material,
but
there's
not
going
to
be
any
impact
on
the
root
system.
Yeah,
okay,.
B
AK
AN
Right
and
the
arborist
save
a
tree,
you
know
they
they
conducted
it
and
I.
Think
Frank
I
think
Craig
Manning
had
a
comment
also
about
the
left-hand
turn
Lanes
on
9d
to
make
that
one
continuous
left-hand
turn
lane
I
think
right.
That
goes
in
both
directions,
as
opposed
to
two
channelized
offsetting
left-hand
turn
lights.
J
AN
Yeah,
it's
just
paint
right
and
if
and
if
in
the
future,
you
know
if,
if
we
all
decide
that
it
doesn't
work,
then
we
can
just
paint
the
gun
but
yeah
we're
fine.
With
that,
that's
okay,
the
crosswalk,
going
into
the
north
entrance
of
the
settlement.
We
don't
have
any
connection
to
the
settlement.
It's
you
know.
We
don't
have
pedestrians
walking
down
the
sidewalk
from
the
north.
You
know
from
the
city
and
going
into
the
the
settlement.
Q
Q
H
E
AN
S
Clark
Edmond
two
Wilson
Street,
so
around
the
24th
or
I.
Think
of
October
I
sent
a
lengthy
discussion
and
a
legal
opinion.
As
to
the
question
of
segmentation
and
I
confirmed
with
the
planning
board
secretary
that
she
was
going
to
share
it
with
each
of
your
emails
and
she
showed
me
that
that
had
been
done,
Mr
Clark,
apparently
maybe
hadn't
received
it,
but
I
guess
you
just
sent
it
to
him.
S
I
would
request
respectfully
that
acknowledgment
of
that
narrative
be
made
in
the
minutes
and
I
was
also
wondering
how
come
you
don't
readily
accept
statements
from
the
public
for
inclusion
in
minutes,
but
that's
a
separate
discussion.
I'll
leave
it
alone,
but
the
the
the
issue
here
is
from
the
what
I
see
in
in
the
legal
opinion.
S
Beacon
has
an
in
counselor
in
in
light
of
Chinatown
The
Landmark
case
in
planning
and
development.
The
Chinatown
decision
requires
a
broad
view
of
we'll
just
say
the
region
rather
than
you
know:
I
I'd
name,
cities
and
locations
and
the
needs
for
housing
and
affordable
housing.
I
need
to
ask
you
a
question.
Clark,
sir.
C
S
S
So
when
it
is
surrendered
to
a
commercial
development,
laudable
I'm,
very
big
proponent
of
it,
I'm
I
love
the
presentation,
but
what
I
do
not
love
is
land
banking,
for
evasion
of
tax
collection
and
that's
part
of
the
segmentation
discussion,
because
if
you
isolate
the
seminar
of
Acres,
if
you
isolate
it
to
a
future
residential
Cottage
use,
questions
then
flow
one.
Will
it
be
taxation.
C
C
S
That's
already
been
acknowledged,
presented
okay
to
have
Escape
hacks
from
taxation
from
which
its
full
development
is
it
it's
entirely
different
if
they
never
disclose
the
cottage
coupling,
but
now
that
it's
important
for
the
protection
of
city
taxes
and
collection
of
room
tax,
that
the
requirements
be
something
like,
in
theory,
no
more
occupancy
than
30
days,
that
the
taxes
collection
are
audited
against
room
tax.
So
there's
a
whole
series
of
economic
considerations
which
enter
into
this,
and
that's
why
it's
segmentation
and
illegal
thank.
AH
AH
Example
of
what
chairman
Gunn
was
talking
about
in
terms
of
developers
giving
an
ish
we
did
meet
with
I.
Don't
have
too
much
to
add
to
what
Ed
said,
but
we
did
meet
with
Ed
and
Jonathan
on
site
and
right
out
of
the
gate.
They
showed
a
Saskatchewan,
Trail,
publicly
accessible,
Trail
and
didn't
require
any
arm
wrestling
between
Lee
and
Ed,
and
it
was
just
you
know.
AH
Needless
to
say,
the
committee
and
I
are
really
really
grateful,
and
you
know
the
mayor
and
I
at
the
meeting
expressed
our
deep
gratitude
that
they
came
out
and
offered
this
accessible.
Trail
I
think
it's
a
huge
benefit
for
the
city.
I
also
think
it's
a
huge
benefit
for
the
clientele,
but
regardless
it
It.
Ultimately
again,
it
shows
that
they
have
the
the
best
interests
of
the
city
in
mind
and
that's
pretty
huge
so
and
thank
you
to.
B
T
I
kind
of
remember
that
Clark
said
John
said
that
it
would
be
best
to
propose
the
whole
thing
when
you
go
through
Secor
or
through
shippo
right,
didn't
you
say
to
go,
bring
the
whole
package
to
shippo
and
then
that's
I
think
where
he
was
confused,
but
anyway
he's
going
to
be
watching
this
and
knocking
on
my
door
tomorrow,
with
an
eye
on
historic
preservation.
I
have
been
following
this
intently.
I
am
pleased
that
it
is
coming
along
cohesively
within
this
large
parcel.
The
proposed
build
out
and
use
Works
within
the
surroundings
of
the
property.
T
The
submission
on
the
grounds
planting
is
in
keeping
with
the
original
view,
sheds
and
work
of
the
early
American,
horticulturists
and
Landscape
gardeners,
whose
Vision
worked
and
designed
this
early
estate
and
further
Downstream
the
potential
for
the
public
access
to
the
beautiful
grounds
along
the
Fishkill,
Creek
and
trailheads
that
pass
through
the
area
currently
and
those
that
are
in
the
pipeline.
I
really
appreciate
this.
Thank
you.
AN
Well,
so
that's
it's
really
going
to
serve.
Ultimately,
you
know
the
Cottages
that
we
have
along
mirbo
Lane,
but
it
is
a
secondary
access
and
egress
Point
Collier's
traffic
report
has
a
very,
very
minor
amount
of
traffic,
either
entering
or
exiting,
but
you
know
most
all
of
our
guests
they're
going
to
have
to
check
in
at
the
front
door,
so
they're
going
to
be
coming
in
the
main
entrance.
That's
the
safest,
you
know
most
attractive
entrance,
also
service
Vehicles.
You
know
any
deliveries
to
the
site.
AN
AN
The
mirbo
lane
is
the
curvy
one,
which
is
Craig,
House
Lane
and
then
there's
another
one
that
that
is
Gatehouse
Lane,
which
was
that
served
some
of
the
old
Cottages.
We
had
pictures
of
that.
Ultimately,
that
goes
out
to
the
South
Gatehouse,
so
those
The
Cottages
that
are
in
that
triangle
in
that
subdivision,
parcel
they'll,
be
serviced
on
both
sides,
but
we're
not
so
Gatehouse.
Lane
is
not
being
improved
right
now.
AN
AP
AN
P
AN
I
I
B
H
AN
C
AN
C
C
AN
C
E
C
M
C
AC
You
know
I'm
Stephen
Rieger
from
Ruger
homes,
so
we
are
the
developer
of
the
Townsend
Street.
It's
called
25
Townsend
Street.
You
approved
that
a
year
or
so
ago,
and
we
need
a
street
name.
The
Dutchess
County
9-1-1
wants
a
resolution
from
a
town
from
a
City,
Board
and
section
195-21
g
says
all
streets
shall
be
named
and
such
names
will
be
subject
to
the
approval
of
the
planning
board
and
it
goes
on
to
say,
a
street,
which
is
a
continuation
of
an
existing
Street
shall
bear
the
same
name.
Our.
AC
B
C
C
B
AI
All
right,
hi,
Francesca
site
manager
for
the
46
Judson
project.
We
are
seeking
your
approval
for
Architectural
Review.
So
we
have.
The
color
is
Essex
Green.
It's
it's
actually
kind
of
I
mean
it's
the
lighting
in
here
it's
a
little
dark,
but
it
reads
actually
almost
exactly
like
the
color
on
the
side
of
the
pews
there,
black
asphalt
roof
black
trim.
AI
C
H
AC
AE
Good
evening,
hopefully
this
will
be
another
straightforward.
One,
we're
I
think
we're.
You
know
we're
here
tonight,
hopefully
for
the
for
the
vote
for
the
site
plan,
approval
lot,
merger
and
the
special
use
permit
and
we've
been.
We
had
our
public
hearing
opened
and
closed
last
month
and
you
know
I
think
we
received
a
couple
of
minor
comments
and
a
few
things
we
need
to
clean
up
on
the
drawings.
AE
Q
Know
he
South
Side
elevation
has
a
more
symmetrical
window
outlay
than
the
version
that
is
in
the
rendering
or
was
looked
at
by
the
subcommittee,
but
I
think
it
was
as
I
remember.
It
might
have
been
suggested
by
someone
on
the
subcommittee
and
it
looks
better
than
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
it's
different
than
what
was
removed
previously.
R
Q
AH
Q
R
AE
C
F
AG
H
A
AC
AE
AE
P
C
C
G
That's
what
I
meant
all
right,
so
we
we
submitted
revised
drawings.
In
response
to
the
comments
we
received
last
month,
the
applicant
hired
a
surveyor
to
document
the
existing
conditions
he
completed
that
survey,
so
we're
just
waiting
for
that
to
be
delivered,
that
that
also
has
the
existing
trees
over
six
inches.
So
we'll
get
that
on
there
and
and
the
surrounding
area.
G
Basically,
we
talked
about
the
changes
to
the
area
of
the
trail
that
was
previously
approved,
but
that
comes
near
the
building
so
we're
you
know
that
there's
some
additional
landscaping
around
that
area
to
try
to
make
the
experience
better
as
you
as
it
goes
by
the
building,
and
then
they
also
had
some
suggestions
that
we're
going
to
incorporate
and
we'll
continue
to
work
with
them
as
well.
Okay,.
C
G
G
B
G
G
Q
Q
B
Q
G
J
P
P
Per
section
12314,
the
code
states
that
the
applicant
shall
demonstrate
that
the
cumulative
effect
of
the
proposed
development,
when
combined
with
all
other
existing
anticipated
development,
will
not
increase
the
water
surface.
Elevation
of
the
base
flood
more
than
one
foot
at
any
location,
so
they're
gonna
have
to
do
an
analysis.
Basically,
95
or
better
of
this
site
is
encumbered
by
floodlight,
either
the
floodway
or
floodplain
100.
C
C
P
G
C
C
C
AD
AD
Well,
we
have
to
demonstrate
we're
not
going
to
raise
the
the
flood
elevation
by
one
foot.
You
know
we're
we're
taking
a
lot
of
material
out
of
there
to
compensate
for
the
material
that
we
have
to
fill
for
the
building,
so
we're
going
to
perform
those
calculations
and
make
sure
we're
where
we
need
to
be
with
that.
AD
C
C
H
C
H
C
G
Q
I
think
you
should
do
an
analysis
and
come
up
with
it
basis.
You
think
you
actually
need
because
of
the
shared
use
of
the
studios
with
these
the
residents
right.
Okay,
and
if
you
come
up,
you
know,
you
think
you
don't
need
10
or
12
spaces
or
whatever
it
is,
do
suggest
on
the
concept
plan
that
you'll
be
doing
a
land
bank
in
this
area,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
exact
at
that
point,
it's
just
I
think
parking
overall
parking
analysis
is
part
of
seeker
and
and
the
concept
plan.
G
C
E
B
C
C
K
You
have
the
applicant
397
Fishkill,
Avenue
LLC
and
393
fiscal
Avenue
LLC,
the
owners
of
the
property
and
the
contract
vendes
before
you
this
evening
tonight,
I
am
joined
by
the
jokester
Rea
Siegel,
the
architect,
as
well
as
Dan
Kohler
played
by
Mike
bodendorf
of
Hudson
landesign
and
our
traffic
consultant
Rich
d'andrea
of
Colliers
engineering.
We
are
also
joined
by
the
applicant
Jordan
Howe.
As
the
chairman
stated.
K
We
are
before
you
in
connection
with
the
long
150
page
application
in
connection
with
the
subdivision
and
lot
merger
for
site
plan
approval
to
redevelop
the
property
for
a
proposed
three-story
mixed
use,
commercial
multi-family,
residential
development
at
393
and
397
fiscal
Avenue
and
7
Conklin
Street.
It's
more
fully
detailed
in
that
submission
dated
October
25th.
K
We
are
in
the
early
stages
of
the
development,
so
tonight's
presentation
will
be
brief
to
the
nature
of
what
we're
proposing
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Mr
Siegel
to
review
the
site
plans
that
were
submitted
in
our
application.
We
just
did
I
did
want
to
give
you
a
quick
overview
so
that
I
can
summarize
this
in
in
just
a
minute,
as
we
first
discussed
with
City
staff
back
in
August,
the
premises
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
Fishkill
Avenue
and
Conklin
Street.
K
It's
comprised
of
three
separate
Lots
393
Fishkill
Avenue
is
presently
improved
by
a
one-story
commercial
building.
That's
occupied
by
Four
Seasons
sun
room.
That's
the
literal
round,
sun
rooms
that
have
seemingly
gone
out
of
favor
in
time.
397
Fishkill
Avenue
is
the
one
story:
mixed
juice
building,
that's
currently
occupied
by
the
applicants,
professional
office
and
a
hair
salon,
and
then
seven
Conklin
Street
is
an
existing
two
family
structure.
K
We're
proposing
to
demolish
all
three
of
those
structures
in
connection
with
this
application
to
merge
the
surrounding
Lots.
All
three
lots
that
are
involved
in
the
application
before
you
are
in
the
GB
with
a
general
General
business,
zoning
district
and
the
area
as
you're
all
may
be
familiar
is
commercial
multi-family
mixed
uses,
car
dealerships,
automotive,
repair,
Associated
off
street
parking
I,
don't
want
to
steal
too
many
of
RA
stocking
points,
but
just
so
he
can
walk
you
through
the
site
plan.
K
We
are
gonna,
have
six
apartments
on
each
floor
and
one
of
those
12
Apartments
consistent
with
your
below
market
rate
law,
will
be
a
below
market
rate
unit.
It's
a
10
requirement
in
the
district
role
for
any
multi-family
over
10
units.
We
have.
We
have
provided
code
compliant
off-street
parking
for
the
Mixed
uses.
That
is
behind
the
the
proposed
structure.
K
You
know,
as
I
mentioned,
procedurally
we're
going
to
be
merging
the
three
lots
into
one
that
constitutes
a
subdivision
in
the
city,
so
we
will
be
doing
formal
subdivision
review.
This
is
an
unlisted
action
under
seeker
and
I
will
go
to
Mr
Siegel
just
to
again
highlight
the
site
plan
specifically,
and
then
we
may
hold
off
on
a
presentation
on
the
formal
traffic
details,
but
I'll
give
Rich
the
two
sentence:
version
that
we
have
prepared
analysis.
G
G
The
first
floor,
you
know,
which
is
the
commercial
space,
doesn't
take
up
the
entire
footprint
of
the
upper
level
because
we're
not
going
to
blast
out
the
rock
over
there.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
less
square
foot
area.
On
the
first
floor,
where
there's
going
to
be
office
space
and
then,
as
Taylor
mentioned,
there's
six
apartments
on
each
of
the
upper
floors.
G
AC
AC
G
Okay
and
in
in
terms
of
the
building
design,
you
know
that
we're
just
at
the
very
early
schematic
concept
of
that.
But
basically
the
idea
is
to
have
some
of
the
elements
of
Main
Street
buildings
where
there's
a
lot
of
storefront
glass,
there's,
brick
and
vertical.
You
know
proportioned
Windows,
but
but
then
also
some
of
the
sort
of
industrial
buildings
along
the
creek
in
that
area.
G
C
I'm
actually
I'm
struck
by
the
quality
of
the
like
the
first
time.
I
looked
at
it,
I
thought
this
looks
like
an
old
postcard
from,
like
you
know,
Beacon
1923.,
just
the
quality
of
the
rendering
makes
it
looks.
It
looks
very
appealing
but
I'm
sure
we'll
have
more
time
sometime
in
the
future,
to
talk
about
the
architecture,
but
yeah
generally
hit
it
in
a
really
good
direction.
H
K
We're
not
creating
any
new,
curb
Cuts
or
anything
to
that
effect.
I
know
that
out
there
we're
not
creating
any
new
curve
crowds.
That's
just
an
existing
location.
That's
between
the
existing
two
buildings
today,
so
we're
going
in
from
the
same
location,
we're
not
coming
off
of
you
know
official
level
we
had
gone
through
and
reviewed
all
of
these
items,
in
fact,
with
the
cities
Consultants
to
try
and
make
sure
that
this
design,
that's
before
you
took
out
some
of
those
issues
beforehand,
but
we
certainly
appreciate
those
comments.
Yeah.
H
L
L
We
did,
we
did
do
it,
we
did
do
it
traffic
and
back
study.
You
have
in
your
package.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
the
the
project
is
really
only
generating
about
20
trips.
During
the
peak
hour
total,
we
focused
our
analysis
on
the
Conklin
Street
fiscal
Avenue
intersection.
The
analysis
doesn't
really
show
any
additional
impact
from
the
development
there's.
L
C
Know
I
just
realized
something
by
the
way.
You
just
said
that
I
don't
know
if
it
helps,
but
it
may
do
you
better
to
make
the
statement
that
that
it
will
increase
volume
and
have
a
minimal
impact
as
opposed
to
it
won't
have
any
impact,
because
when
people
hear
it
won't
have
any
impact,
it
just
simply
can't
believe
it.
That's.
L
There
yeah
so
I
mean
the
increase
in
volume.
My
point
about
saying
that
we
didn't
take
credit
for
what's
there
today,
the
increase
of
volume
is
in
reality,
probably
negligible,
but
we
did
a
somewhat
conservative
analysis
and
added
on
top
of.
What's
there
today
on
the
site
and
and
yeah
there's
no
minimal,
there's
a
minimal
impact.
Yes,.
L
B
AP
K
Thank
you
all,
and
one
other
just
know
for
this
project,
which
is
which
is
fun.
There's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
in
that
quarter,
Mr
Russo
has
provided
us
with
a
lot
of
plans,
sidewalk
details.
All
this,
you
know
infrastructure,
that's
being
improved.
This
project
will
be
incorporating
all
of
those
designs
into
everything
that
the
city
is
already
working
on
at
its
own
expense
will
be
incorporated.