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From YouTube: Beacon Planning Board 9-13-22
Description
The City of Beacon Planning Board Meeting from Tuesday, September 13, 2022
A
B
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
this
evening
to
present
the
city
of
beacon
natural
resources
inventory.
My
name
is
ingrid
heckel
and
I'm
a
conservation
and
land
use
specialist
with
the
dec
hudson
river
estuary
program.
I
work
through
a
partnership
with
cornell
university
and
I'm
going
to
be
tag
teaming.
This
presentation
with
our
partner
sean
carroll
who's
here
from
cornell
cooperative
extension
of
dutchess
county
he's
a
senior
gis
educator.
B
So
I
I'm
going
to
go
jump
right
ahead
into
this.
Just
a
little
quick
background
about
the
estuary
program,
we're
a
unique
non-regulatory
program
at
dec
established
to
help
people
enjoy,
protect
and
revitalize
the
hudson
river
in
its
valley,
and
we
work
in
the
10
counties
bordering
the
title.
Hudson
to
achieve
these
key
benefits
and
within
the
program,
our
conservation
and
land
use.
B
Team
works,
with
municipalities
to
conserve
natural
areas
and
habitat
through
local
land,
use,
planning
and
decision
making,
and
we've
been
doing
this
sort
of
assistance
and
education
work
for
over
20
years,
and
this
is
the
basic
planning
framework
we
encourage
communities
to
follow,
beginning
with
identifying
and
understanding
what
you
have.
What
your
resources
are
to
provide
a
foundation
for
setting
local
conservation
priorities
and
developing
plans
and
policies
to
protect
and
manage
those
resources
for
the
future,
and
so
several
years
ago,
recognizing
that
many
communities
lacked
a
basic
foundation
of
a
natural
resources
inventory.
B
So
a
natural
resources
inventory
is
basically
a
compilation
of
information,
including
maps
and
descriptions.
A
narrative
report
about
geology
and
soils,
water
resources,
including
drinking
water
streams,
watersheds
important
habitats,
wildlife
records,
information
about
land
use
and,
more
recently,
including
information
about
climate
change,
current
climate
conditions
and
future
projections.
B
How
communities
may
be
affected
and
some
communities
also
choose
to
document
their
cultural
resources.
Things
like
historic
sites,
recreation
areas
and
scenic
resources
in
the
context
of
these
projects,
so
the
scope
is
really
up
to
the
community
to
decide
and
and
these
projects
have
you
know
they
vary
from
place
to
place.
B
And
so
the
project
came
about
through
a
partnership
that
we
established
with
cooperative
extension
in
dutchess
county
to
provide
municipal
assistance
with
creating
nris.
At
the
time
we
were
seeking
ways
to
raise
the
capacity
of
other
county
and
regional
partners
to
provide
this
assistance,
and
we
provided
some
funding
that
they
used
to
provide
the
mapping,
support
and
facilitate
meetings
with
the
conservation
advisory
council
who
applied
through
a
competitive
process.
B
To
receive
this
assistance,
they
were
awarded
it
in
2017
and,
as
the
project
kicked
off
at
that
time,
and
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
sean,
I
wasn't
directly
involved
in
the
nri
planning
process.
My
colleague,
laura
heaty
was,
and
she
provided
a
lot
of
support
and
information
about
biological
resources
in
beacon
in
the
context
of
the
project.
But
sean
was
very
involved
and
so
he's
going
to
take
it
forward.
D
D
As
mentioned
started
in
2017,
we
began
meeting
in
earnest
with
the
cac
brian
defeo
was
the
the
head
of
the
cac
at
that
time
or
the
chair,
and
we
were
meeting
nearly
monthly
at
the
beacon
institute
just
on
main
street
there
who
graciously
hosted
us
there,
often
and
yeah
we
the
process
was
was
was
really
you
know
involving
the
cac,
but
we
also
involved.
You
know.
D
Seven
of
those
chapters
are
kind
of
content,
specific,
ranging
from
geology,
soils,
biodiversity,
scenic,
cultural
resources,
et
cetera,
but
also
at
the
end
of
the
report.
There
are
two
chapters
dedicated
to
you
know,
considerations
for
decision
making
and
then
a
chapter
for
next
steps.
What
to
do
with
this
with
this
tool
afterwards,
and
of
course,
we
were
cognizant
of
including
and
integrating
the
comprehensive
plan,
as
well
as
lwrp
and
state
and
county
resources
into
it.
D
So,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
about
seven
content,
specific
chapters,
you
know
again,
ranging
from
a
geology
section
in
which
we
mapped
bedrock's,
surficial
geology,
topography
and
talked
about
some
of
the
planning
implications
pertaining
to
that
steep
slopes.
I
know
the
city
recently
developed
a
steep
slopes,
ordinance
and
also
you
know
some
some
planning
implications
pertaining
to
the
soils
and
topography
and
geology
as
well,
there's
a
pretty
significant
water
resources,
section,
overviewing
streams,
water
bodies,
watersheds
wetlands,
water
quality,
water
supply
and
flood
areas.
D
D
We
also
had
a
flood
hazard
areas
map.
Of
course,
you
know
conserving
re-vegetating
our
and
reconnecting
floodplains,
important
from
a
water
quality,
as
well
as
a
biodiversity
standpoint,
but
also
from
a
human
safety
impact,
making
sure
that
we're
mapping
and
understanding
where
our
floodplains
are
and
not
developing
in
them.
D
There's
several
maps
and
a
very
significant
chapter
on
biodiversity
and
habitats
within
the
city,
some
of
the
maps
included
in
that
were
a
wildlife
habitat
index,
forests
and
street
trees,
significant
habitats,
coastal
and
shoreline
habitat
and
important
areas
for
rare
plants
and
animals
and
involved
in
this.
One
of
the
key
components
of
this
process
for
the
habitat
section
of
the
report
was
working
with
hudsonia
on
developing
a
really
fine
scale,
habitat
map
for
the
city
of
beacon.
D
This
was
a
really
iterative
process
in
which
the
cec
got
completely
involved
in
some
of
the
some
of
the
volunteers
in
residence
as
well,
so
hotsonia
did
kind
of
the
base
mapping
and
we
actually
went
out
into
the
field
and
kind
of
q8qc'd
and
check
some
of
these
habitats
to
ensure
that
they
were
accurate
so
again,
developing
a
new
data
set
for
the
city.
That's,
hopefully
very
useful,.
D
And
then,
just
along
the
lines
of
that
again,
you
know
there
was
a
section
on
forests
and
street
trees
as
well,
making
sure
that
we're
looking
to
preserve
large
unfragmented
forests.
You
know
having
the
fishkill
ridge
and
the
hudson
highlands
right
in
the
backyard,
obviously
a
priority
of
the
city
of
beacon,
but
also
bringing
it
down
to
our
local
streets
and
making
sure
that
street
trees
and
kind
of
small
scale
urban
agriculture
or
urban
forestry
is
included
as
well.
D
You
know
the
static
map
won't
change,
but
it's
it's
an
opportunity
for
updates
I'll
mention
a
little
bit
later.
A
project
we're
working
with
the
county
in
which
a
lot
of
these
protected
lands
data
sets
will
be
updated
more
regularly
and
then,
lastly,
the
cac
helped
us
to
map,
I
should
say
the
cac
along
with
a
lot
of
town
volunteers.
B
Thanks
sean
so
yeah,
this
was
a
really
high
level
overview
of
the
document.
Our
hope
is
that
you'll
take
some
time
to
dive
into
it
yourselves,
it's
very
accessible.
I
you
know
that
each
map
has
a
one-page
description,
succinct,
including
planning
considerations,
which
shawn
showed
some
examples
of
on
the
slides.
B
You
know
what
the
data
is
what's
being
shown,
some
highlights.
You
know
we
think
it's
a
great
training
resource
itself.
If
you
have
new
planning
board
members
to
ask
them
to
read
the
document
become
more
familiar
with
what's
present
in
the
city,
so
in
the
final
part
of
the
presentation,
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
ways:
the
planning
board
and
the
city
can
use
the
nri
to
take
some
next
steps,
potentially
so
having
all
this
great
information
about
your
resources
is
wonderful,
but
what
what's
the
city
going
to
do
with
it?
B
So
planning
would
be
a
next
step,
and
you
know
this
information
obviously
inform
your
next
comprehensive
plan
update,
I'm
not
sure
when
that's
scheduled,
many
communities
have
integrated
the
nri
into
their
comprehensive
plans.
It
can
form
the
recommendations
there,
but
some
communities
also
go
further
to
develop
open
space
inventories
and
plans
that
really
focus
on
the
open
space
component
in
further
detail.
B
So
this
the
conservation
advisory
council
is
really
interested
in
pursuing
an
open
space
plan.
Esther
jackson
is
here
she
helped
organize
this
presentation.
Thank
you,
esther
and
she,
her
contact
is
up
here.
If
anybody
is
interested
in
discussing
that
further,
I'm
actually
supposed
to
be
presenting
to
the
common
council
about
open
space
planning
two
weeks
from
now,
so
to
be
continued
as
a
first
step
towards
an
open
space
plan
or
inventory
in
follow-up
to
completion
of
the
nri.
The
cac
really
wanted
to
go
further.
At
that
time.
B
So
that
project
was
summarized
sean,
gave
a
presentation
to
the
common
council
last
year
and
it's
on
the
website.
If
anybody
wants
to
read
it
and
it's
a
good
first
start,
you
know
getting
the
public
talking
about
this
topic
and
could
lead
into
a
wider
planning
effort,
and
this
is
a
summary
of
some
of
the
input
they
received
about
the
number
one
priorities
for
green
and
open
space
protection
and
and
the
top
priority
was
conservation
of
natural
areas
followed
by
walking
and
bike
trails
or
paths
and
updating
and
maintaining
existing
open
spaces.
B
And
back
to
the
nri,
just
in
terms
of
the
planning
boards
month-to-month
activities,
there
are
ways
that
this
information
can
be
integrated
into
your
secret
process
and
site
plan.
Reviews
in
terms
of
providing
supporting
information
about
resources
that
may
be
present
could
potentially
be
affected
on
project
sites.
Some
communities
either
recommend
or
require
that
applicants
use
the
nri
or
refer
to
information
in
the
nri
in
the
process
of
filling
out
their
eaf
forms.
B
So
we
had
a
webinar
last
year
where
natalie
quinn,
who's
the
planner
for
poughkeepsie
talked
about
that
law
and
how
they're
implementing
it.
It's
available
on
the
recording
is
on
our
website
and
I'd
be
happy
to
share
that
with
you.
Even
you
know
short
of
a
lot.
There
are
ways
that
the
nri
information
can
be
in
incorporated
to
your
project,
your
site,
plan,
review
or
subdivision
review
checklists
or
you
know,
or
used
informally,
by
yourselves
in
reviewing
projects.
D
D
The
current
nri
for
the
county
is
from
2010,
so
it's
a
12
year
old
document
at
this
point
and
while
a
lot
of
that
information
is
still
relevant,
it's
less
of
a
complete
overhaul
and
more
of
just
updating
and
reformatting.
So
it
currently
is,
you
know
a
pdf
document
that
is
a
great
tool,
but
we
really
want
to
kind
of
bring
it
into
the
21st
century
and
and
make
it
more
interactive,
so
kind
of
what
ingrid
was
mentioning
with
a
lot
of
mapping
layers.
D
The
real
utility
of
those
is
the
ability
to
kind
of
zoom
in
at
the
partial
level
and
see
where
all
these
resources
are
at
a
fine
scale.
So
that'll
be
one
of
the
the
the
best
benefits
of
this
process,
just
kind
of
where
we're
at
with
that
we're.
In
the
first
of
two
years
in
that
process,
we
began
the
planning
and
grant
application
back.
D
So,
as
I
mentioned
that
all
that
content
will
live
on
the
county's
website
and
it'll,
have
you
know
a
really
slick
application
for
viewing
and
analyzing
and
downloading
data
and
it'll
be
a
great
companion
tool
for
a
lot
of
these
local
enterprises,
such
as
the
city,
has
so
be
sure
to
keep
you
all
in
the
loop
as
that
process
continues.
Yeah.
D
Yeah,
so
we
get
this
question
a
lot.
It's
a
great
question.
You
know
the
county's
nri.
Really
it's!
You
know
it's
a
much
more
landscape
scale
perspective.
You
know
looking
at
the
county
as
a
whole
and
how
a
lot
of
these
habitats
are
interconnected,
but
it
doesn't
really
drill
down
at
the
municipal
scale
level
at
like,
like
the
city
of
beacon
center
right
now.
So
you
know
it's
not
gonna.
It's
not
going
to
have
all
the
specifics
that
your
municipal
nri
has
getting
down
to
parcel
level
protections.
D
D
E
D
D
So
I
mean
the
county
already:
has
partial
access,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
familiar
with
that,
you
know
it's
it's
a
similar
tool
right
now,
it's
kind
of
really
just
used
for
obtaining
partial
information,
but
it
also
does
at
this
level.
It
has,
I
think,
just
basic
wetlands
and
floodplains
information,
but
the
goal
is
to
really
tie
these
two
applications
together
so
that
yet
yes,
you
can
drill
down
at
the
at
the
partial
level.
You
know
with
the
caveat
of
being
it's
it
is
you
know
it's.
D
It's
not
survey,
scale
data
I
mean
even
even
the
parcel
boundaries
and
the
ca
you
know,
rpt
would
agree
with
that.
You
know
it's
it's.
It's
meant
to
be
a
a
starting
plate
right,
so
it's
a
place
to
get
down
to
the
parcel
level,
explore
what
resources
might
be
there,
and
if
there
are,
you
know
some
fine
lines
that
need
more
accurate
mapping.
Then
you
know,
obviously
a
survey
would
be
necessary,
but.
A
A
H
A
H
Any
particular
parcel
that
has
that
can
be
identified
as
having
these
sorts
of
critical
sensitive
areas.
It
should
be
looked
at
yeah.
I
know
I
look
at
it
and
I
look
at
parcel
access
all
the
time.
The
same
thing,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
would
be
most
interesting
is
sort
of
the
next
step,
and
this
was
talked
about
with
the
the
committee
at
the
time
was
to
to
use
it
to
identify
high
priority
parcels.
H
So
you
take
the
top
ten
parcels
that
you
would
like
to
protect
long
term
and
you
not
only
do
more
detailed
work
on
those
parcels,
but
you
also
come
up
with
the
development
scenario
for
the
parcel
or
options
for
those
parcels
so
that
you
one
it
would
be.
You
know
this
should
be
identified
for
a
public
purchase
or
a
conservation,
easement
or
a
conservation
subdivision,
or
you
know,
limited
use,
options
or
big
buffers,
or
you
know
that
sort
of
thing
so
that
something
on
the
books.
H
A
A
A
H
A
A
A
M
H
H
I
H
Also,
a
lot
of
special
permit
uses
have
additional
specific
conditions
in
the
code
that
there's
sections
on
hotels
and
gas
stations
and
things
like
that
that
have
their
own
specific
standards
that
are
also
have
to
be
satisfied.
So
as
an
example,
general
example,
the
the
historic
district
and
landmark
overlay
zone,
the
historic
district,
that's
designated
by
the
city
council,
if
you're
in
that-
and
you
want
to
do
something-
that's
allowed
in
the
list
of
specially
permitted
uses
in
22.
H
223
24.7-
gives
an
additional
list
of
commercial
type
uses
and
multi-family
type
uses
that
ordinarily
wouldn't
be
allowed
say
in
a
residential
district.
But
if
you're
in
the
h2o,
the
historic
landmark
overlay
district,
you
have
the
ability,
through
a
special
permit,
to
apply
for
those
additional
type
uses,
but
there's
additional
conditions
that
come
with
them
that
are
specific
for
historic
type
properties,
so
that
in
that
case,
say
one
one.
H
One
three
wall
cut:
that's
in
a
residential
district,
but
it
is
in
the
hdlo,
the
historic
district,
and
so
therefore,
you
can
apply
for
additional
type
uses
that
wouldn't
ordinarily
be
allowed
in
the
residential
district
by
special
permit
from
the
planning
board
and
then
there's
a
list
of
additional
four
conditions
you
have
to
meet
so
now
you
have
to
meet
ten
conditions
rather
than
just
six,
but
the
lawyers
will
say
if
it
can
be
reasonably
proved
that
you
meet
those
conditions.
The
planning
board
has
to
approve
it.
H
That's
the
way
the
legal
case
law
reads:
all
the
lawyers
in
the
audience
can
tell
me
I'm
wrong,
but
but
that's
the
way
it
goes
again.
The
planning
board
doesn't
have
an
absolute
right
to
say
no
without
evidence
or
proof,
but
if
they
can
reasonably
prove
that
one
of
those
10
conditions,
those
additional
conditions
are
not
being
met
by
that
proposal.
H
Then
they
have
the
right
to
see.
No,
so
it
gives
a
little
extra
leverage
to
the
planning
board
and
because
the
general,
the
conditions
are
relatively
general,
it
puts
you
in
a
sort
of
a
you
know,
they're
so
general.
How
do
you
prove
that
you're
not
being
met,
then?
That's
the
process
you
have
to
go
by.
You
have
to
set
up
criteria
by
which
you
say
that
doesn't
meet
that
general
standard
or
that
specific
standard
in
the
special
permit
use.
H
H
They
said
you're
just
getting
bogged
down
in
these
special
permits.
We're
not
the
planning
board.
We
should
be
looking
at
other
sorts
of
issues
and
we
shouldn't
have.
Applicants
have
to
go
to
the
planning
board
to
do.
The
environmental
quality
review
then
be
kicked
up
to
the
city
council
to
do
a
special
permit
review
and
then
back
to
the
planning
board
to
do
a
site
plan
review
and
each
one
requires
a
public
hearing
in
a
certain
process
and
instead
of
a
process
lasting,
say
four
to
six
months,
it
lasts.
A
H
A
H
If
it
meets
the
standards
that
are
in
the
law,
then
the
planning
board
has
limited
discretion,
certainly
not
the
discretion,
to
say
no,
absolutely
without
a
very
good
reason
and
tied
to
the
law
in
some
way,
and
the
special
permit
gives
that
extra
leverage
in
the
law
so
that
the
planning
board
in
theory
can
say
no
to
something
that
that
doesn't
meet
those
that
can
arguably
doesn't
meet
those
specific
criteria
in
the
law.
Right
and.
A
H
Right
it's.
There
has
to
be
a
really
clear
record
of
the
reasons
why
and
it
has
to
be
built
up
over
time
and
you
have
to
have
documentary
evidence
and
that
sort
of
thing,
because
other
it's
very
easy
to
sue
the
city
and
and
run
up
a
lot
of
legal
bills.
If
you're
careless
of
how
you
apply
the
zoning
code,.
H
The
council
can
change
at
any
time
they
can
change.
At
the
request
of
an
applicant,
an
applicant
can
petition
the
there's,
a
proposal
on
the
agenda
tonight
about
an
applicant
wanting
to
change
the
parking
standards
for
specific
use
they
council
looked
at.
It
thought
it
was
at
least
reasonable
enough
to
refer
to
the
planning
board
for
our
recommendation.
H
A
H
A
I
would
imagine
if
there's
you
know
a
lot
of
public
input
to
the
city
council
about
specific
types
of
zoning.
They
may
make
note
of
that
and
decide
to
take
certain
specific
zoning
issues
up,
but
the
mechanism,
if
you
don't
like
what
you're
seeing
happening
at
the
planning
board,
is
not
to
come
and
yell
at
the
planning
board
and
expect
them
to
say
no
to
applications
is
to
talk
to
the
city
council.
H
H
So
that's
the
other
way.
You
can
either
go
to
the
council
and
ask
them
to
change
the
law,
and
that
involves
a
public
hearing
in
a
certain
amount
of
time
frame.
It
usually
takes
at
least
two
months,
usually
three
or
four
months
to
change
the
zoning
law,
just
even
for
something
small
and
if
you're
going
to
do
a
major
rewrite
of
the
zoning
law
it.
You
know
you
have
to
do
an
environmental
impact
statement
and
you
know
you
have
to
do
a
lot
more
work.
H
So
there
is
a
mechanism.
That's
enabled
by
state
law,
called
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
that,
if
you
have
a
specific
requirement
in
the
zoning
code
that
you
can't
meet,
but
you
think
is
reasonable
and
doesn't
do
harm
to
your
neighbors
and
their
whole.
There's
a
whole
set
of
criteria
that
the
zba
has
to
to
abide
by.
H
You
can
go
and
make
an
application
to
the
zoning
board
to
change
the
side.
Yard
variants
from
you
know:
10
feet
to
8
feet
or
whatever
or
change
the
height
of
the
building
from
28
to
32.
Or
if
you
have
a
good
rationale,
and
it
doesn't,
you
can
make
the
case
that
the
area
variance
is
not
significant
and
and
the
balance
of
harm
is
not
apparent
in
the
neighborhood.
H
O
H
And
the
planning
board
does
not
have
that
right
right
unless
there's
something
specific
in
the
law
that
says
on
the
in,
for
this
type
of
situation,
you
can,
you
know,
make
exceptions
or
wave
provisions
or
whatever.
So
in
certain
circumstances,
we
can't
we
have
the
the
zoning
enabled
way
to
make
changes,
but
for
the
most
part,
if
it's
not
consistent
with
the
zoning
law,
you
either
have
to
change
the
proposal
or
go
get
a
variance
or
get.
H
A
A
H
I
L
H
H
H
E
E
Useful
for
the
conservation,
if
it
was
a
conservation
advisory
board,
would
be
in
a
situation
like
the
the
townsend
whether
we
were
dealing
with
a
wetland
right.
That
would
be
something
where
a
project
could
be
referred
to
them
as
to
how
to
deal
with
the
remediation
if
there
was
a
development
project
or
other
plants
that
were
that
affected
our
natural
resources,
the
things
that
they
have
expertise
in
that
that
they
could
have
like
a
determinative
in
some
way
judgment
about
things.
E
That
would
have
power
right,
because
it
makes
no
sense
just
to
have
an
advisory
board.
I
think,
because
of
the
extra
burden
right
of
accountability
and
record
keeping
and
advise
you
know,
consultants
and
other
things
that
are
needed
for
that.
But
if
there's
a
compelling
case
to
be
made
for
them
to
have
power
over
development
projects
or
city
initiatives,
then
that
would
make
sense.
H
E
An
elevated
level
of
influence
than
just
advisory
boards,
which
sometimes,
if
something
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
times
when
people
would
be
like
yeah.
A
lot
of
people
say
a
lot
of
things
and
the
the
the
the
the
energy
would
be
just
dissipated.
People
wouldn't
be
interested
in
getting
involved
with
something
it
didn't
really
have
an
impact.
E
H
Referred
to
the
conservation
advisor
it
takes
another
month
for
them
to
have
a
meeting
and
to
have
a
you
know,
public
forum
and
whatever
else,
for
instance,
you
know
they
could
have
set
up
a
separate
architecture
review
board
a
lot
of
communities.
Well,
some
communities
do
that
and
they
have
a
whole
set
of
other
people
who
review
architecture.
H
H
Up
multiple
layers
of
boards
that
you
know
again,
a
three-month
project
turns
into
an
eight-month
project.
So
a
lot
of
communities,
for
instance,
do
what
beacon
did
is
they
make
the
planning
board
the
architecture
and
give
this
body
the
authority
to
do
the
same
thing
and
they
put
people
on
the
boards?
H
E
Just
I
recently
applied
to
the
newberg
architectural
review
board,
which
had
a
totally
different
setup,
even
though
it
was
on
a
zoom
call
and
things
like
that
there
was
a
and
it
was
the
initial
application
for
every
every
project
after
the
building
department.
You
know
before
you
went
to
the
planning
board
or
anything
else
at
first
you
had
to
get
the
architectural
review
boards,
but
newberg
is
a
different
setup.
E
It
has
a
historic
district,
that's
one
of
the
biggest
in
the
state
and
there's
a
lot
of
controversy
about
how
the
amount
of
difficulty
and
importance
and
the
amount
of
effort
that
people
they
want
people
to
put
into
historic
preservation
versus
housing
preservation.
You
know
the
infrastructure,
it's
it's
just
it's
a
whole
issue.
There
that's
different
than
the
one
in
beacon.
E
A
P
A
A
N
E
A
Well
I
make
sure
my
computer
box
is
working,
and
so
this
is
to
continue
our
public
hearing
for
secret
environmental
review
on
an
application
for
special
use,
permit
site
plan
approval
and
subdivision
and
public
hearing
on
special
application
for
special
use,
permit
site
plan
approval
and
subdivision
maribou
in
inspire
beau.
Excuse
me,
indian,
spa
at
howland
to
say
good
evening.
Good.
Q
A
Q
So,
since
the
last
meeting,
the
most
significant
changes,
we've
had
several
conversations
with
new
york
state
shippo
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
submitted
new
plans
which
moves
our
crescent
lot,
which
wrapped
around
the
cluster
of
trees
right
closest
to
the
front
entrance
of
the
of
the
mansion
and
we've
also
in
the
that's
actually
further
out
to
the
west
and
we've
also
relocated.
The
sewer
main
that
goes
along
mirbo
lane
and
then
goes
through.
Q
Q
Q
They
had
already
reviewed
and
commented
commented
on
the
harchen
archaeological
report
and
that
was
submitted
in
chris,
which
is
a
database
platform
back
in
may,
which
we
weren't
aware
of
until
I
spoke
with
her
name
is
jessica
schreier
at
chippo,
so
we
had
conversations.
I
sent
our
grading
utility
plan
to
her
and
we
went
back
and
forth
and
we
ended
up
showing
the
50-foot
buffers
that
surround
these
sensitive
areas.
Q
Q
We've
also
engaged
harchin.
Who
did
the
original
report
to
do
a
phase
2
report
in
those
buffer
areas
which
will
help
us
delineate
where
everything
is
prior
to
construction
and
with
that
she
recommended
that
we
engage
harchin
for
an
avoidance
plan
which
I
guess
is
similar
to
it's.
A
construction
work
plan
like
an
in
an
erosion
control
plan
that
we
have
to
submit
to
her
for
record
and
that's
being
done
by
harchen.
Q
A
lot
of
the
notes
that
she
wanted
were
on
our
grading
plan.
It
talks
about.
You
know
how
you
build
in
the
buffer,
and
you
know
putting
up
orange
construction,
fencing
and
just
you
know,
avoiding
that
during
construction
and
then
also
what
will
be
permanently
so.
We've
already
engaged
hartjen
to
to
submit
that
report,
but,
as
you
saw
in
her
letter
from
last
week
that
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
the
archaeological
sites,
there's
really
no
further
action
that
she
needs
to
take
and
we're
just
submitting
this
report.
A
Q
A
Q
Q
Apparently
the
idea
of
having
a
trail
on
the
east
side.
Our
side
of
the
creek
came
from
the
mayor
and
it
was
discussed
with
the
greenway
trail
committee
and
lightly
discussed
with
the
previous
owner.
Barry
cohn,
and
nothing
really
ever
happened
after
that.
So
I
met
with
the
mayor
and
explained
the
difficulties.
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
practical
for
us.
It's
a
significant
liability
issue.
Q
There's
significant
wetlands
down
there.
You
know
we
have
not
had
any
discussions
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers
at
some
point,
we'll
want
to
reclaim
the
large
lawn,
which
was
next
to
the
school
and
the
tennis
courts.
You
know
some
of
the
trails
that
we
showed
on
our
our
master
plan.
You
know
they're
in
the
wetlands,
but
in
the
wetland
you
can
do
things
passively
like
right.
Now
we
can
walk.
We
can
walk
there.
If
we
want,
you
can
walk
on
a
dirt
trail.
Q
Q
Q
So
that's
the
area
that
the
greenway
trail
had
planned
on
coming
into
the
site
from
the
north,
but
there
also
hasn't
been
any
discussions
with
the
several
property
owners
to
the
north.
So
I
I
basically
you
know
told
the
mayor-
and
I
told
thomas
wright-
that
it's
just
not
practical
for
us
to
include
any
type
of
public
trail
on
our
side
of
the
creek.
Q
We,
those
are
really
that
was
really
the
two
significant
changes
on
the
site
plan.
You
know
we
submitted
in
henry
we'll
go
through
submitted
some
updates
of
the
view
shed.
We
picked
up
john
russo's
comments,
so
we
have
a
couple
of
wells
shown
on
the
site
now
so
there's
some
detailed,
you
know
improvements
that
we
included
in
the
latest
plan.
That's
great
yeah.
We
know
there's
still
a
long
ways
to
go.
Q
I
know
that
you
know
mike
bodendorf
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
detailed
calculations
for
swift
and
for
the
drainage,
and
you
know
we
understand
that
that'll
be
in
the
next.
The
next
submission
great,
but
I
think
for
the
most
part
you
know:
we've
we've
covered
the
big
picture
for
for
those
items.
Okay,.
Q
Q
R
B
R
The
focus
of
any
efforts
on
landscape
between
now
and
last
month
have
been
on
working
on
the
sort
of
the
front
views
and
how
landscape
supports
that.
So
we've
done
two
big
things.
One
is,
for
the
most
part,
we've
eliminated
trees
in
the
foreground
of
the
number
one
view.
That
is
the
northerly
view
toward
the
mansion
and
then-
and
so
it's
a
much
more
wide
open
view
from
the
street
all
the
way
up
to
the
building.
R
It's
anchored
on
the
left
by
the
existing
material.
That
is
where
the
ginkgo
tree
is.
There's
a
mass
of
existing
trees
there
that
sort
of
anchor
that
view
on
the
right
hand,
side
we've
got
some
planting
at
the
far
right
hand,
side
off
of
the
mansion,
and
then
we've
been
working
on
the
foreground
of
the
the
screening
massing
adjacent
to
the
parking
along
route
9.,
and
so
we've
enhanced
that
and
diversified
it.
We've
got
both
needled
evergreens
and
broadleaf
evergreens
and
flowering
evergreens,
so
evergreen
azaleas.
R
So
now,
if
we
go
to
the
views
and
we're
focused
on
two
views,
this
being
what
we
call
the
number
one
view-
and
this
is
slightly
south
of
the
existing
curb
cut-
this
is
the
existing
condition
and
again
you
can
see
the
existing
tree
mass.
I
spoke
of
on
the
left
and
mike.
If
you
switch
to
the
next
slide,
you
now
see
a
lot
of
lawn
foreground.
We've
removed
the
tree
clusters
that
we
had
along
the
street.
R
R
There
is
john
was
good
enough
to
note.
There
is
one
tree
that
we
left
sort
of
in
that
midst
on
the
plan
and
it
is
in
the
code.
I
just
dropped
a
letter
on
the
plan,
but
in
this
view
it
would
actually
be
behind
that
mass
of
existing
trees,
so
you
wouldn't
see
it
in
this
view.
In
the
next
view,
it
would
be
to
the
right
and
and
probably
just
tangentially,
on
the
edge
of
the
the
view
that
you
see
of
the
mansion.
So
we
would
be
happy
to
remove
that
tree,
but.
A
A
E
R
R
Perhaps
you'd
get
a
glimpse
of
something
underneath
that
tree
we
do
have
some
of
the
shrub
massing
there,
which
should
be
the
far
end
of
what
we
were
doing
at
the
southerly
side,
so
that
will
have
the
same
kind
of
height.
We
didn't
honestly,
we
didn't
pound
on
that
in
terms
of
the
rendering,
but
we
can
elevate
that
so
that
that
little
little
window
is
more
full.
If
you
will.
H
I
H
Q
R
So
this
was
what
we
call
view
number
two
which
is
over
by
the
southerly
existing
curb
cut
the
tree
to
the
right
there
that
you
see
peeking
in
is
the
ginkgo
the
evergreen
tree
above
the
jersey
barrier.
There
is
the
sergeant
hemlock,
that
is,
you
know
so
precious,
and
in
this
view,
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
mike.
R
This
now
is
a
slight
variation
on
what
we
showed
at
the
last
meeting.
We
had
the
same
kind
of
height.
It
was
all
evergreen,
but
we
didn't
have
any
flowering
evergreens
in
there,
so
this
one's
got
the
same
kind
of
height
mass
in
there
and
but
it's
more
diverse
in
terms
of
the
planting
types.
At
the
same
time,
it's
still
supplemented
by
perennials
and
grasses
in
the
foreground.
R
Now
having
gotten
john's
comments,
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide
mike
one
of
the
things-
and
this
isn't
necessarily
so
easy
to
see-
but
there
were
cars
in
the
model,
but
they
were,
they
actually
are
behind.
So
we
hadn't
done
that
exercise
of
illustrating
that-
and
this
is
not
a
full
parking
lot,
and
so
we
could
put
a
bunch
of
more
cars
in
there,
but
but
they
are
down
and
below
that.
So.
A
H
Shouldn't
be
seeing
the
spot,
the
code
is
specific
in
that
new
buildings
should
be
screened
from
the
public
road,
so
that
you
can
concentrate
in
in
your
future
of
the
historic
buildings.
So
you've
done
a
very
good
job
of
screening,
the
hotel
and
spa
building
from
the
side,
but
not
from
that
frontal
view.
Q
Q
H
That
you're
allowed
hotel
and
hotel
related
accessory
uses
and
structures
with
adequate
screening
of
any
new
structures
from
surrounding
public
street
views.
So
the
idea
is
to
focus
on
the
historic
mansion
not
on
the
new
building
to
screen
the
new
building.
You
can.
Certainly,
when
you
come
into
the
site,
you'll
see
the
spa
and
but
from
the
public
street
the
concept
was,
he
would
screen
anything
new
and
focus
on
the
historic
structure
and
the
view
towards
the
historic
structure.
A
H
A
Q
T
T
Out
of
that
view,
shed
and
move
it
a
little
bit
more
south
and
east,
which
then
kind
of
puts
it
into
the
exact
view
set
that
we're
talking
about
now,
which
kind
of
removes
a
lot
of
the
area
that
you
could
have
the
plantings.
But
in
any
case,
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
plan
view
that
wasn't
a
focus
of
our
rendering,
because
we
just
didn't-
have
the
comments
prior
to
that.
But
I
think
henry
you
can
kind
of
walk
through
the
stream.
I
T
A
R
You
can
do
it
either
as
a
percentage
or
there's
got
to
be
some
way
that
we
can
get
a
better
sense
of
exactly
what
the
expectation
is.
If
it's,
if
it's
no
visibility
in
five
years,
that's
different
than
no
visibility
in
10
or
if
it's
80
I
mean,
if
there's
some
way,
that
you
can
articulate
that,
then
we
can
probably
work
on
that.
I
I
would
want
to
say,
though,
that.
R
H
Q
And
we
also
thought
you
know
if
we
did
hire
an
arborist,
but
there's
you
know,
there's
the
the
sergeant
hemlock
there.
So
we
don't
want
to
totally
obliterate
the
view
of
the
sergeant
hemlock
as
well,
because
it
is
a
feature
of
the
site.
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
site:
it's
not
just
the
history
of
the
building,
it's
the
history
of
the
architect,
so
architecture
of
the
landscaping,
but
so
that
was
one
of
our
concerns
as
well.
But
but
we'll
come
up
with
something.
H
Yes
and
since
that's
going
to
be
the
most
prominent
view
as
people
come
through
the
entrance
drive
and
we
should
have
a
rendering
from
that
too,
an
updated
rendering
from
there
too.
Just
so,
we
can
see
people
can
see
what
the
enter
drive
is
going
to
look
like
what
your
signs
are
going
to
look
like
all
that
sort
of
thing
and
how
that
creates
a
new
view
of
the
mansion
that
doesn't
exist
right
now,
because
there
was
a
bunch
of
dead
trees
and
a
little
mound
there
from
that
far
north.
V
H
H
E
I
Q
H
H
Q
H
Yeah
and
two
other
things
that
I
suggested
is
that
we
should
look
at
the
idea
of
a
crosswalk
there,
they're
putting
in
a
left
turn
lane.
There's
a
major
entrance
there
there's
a
park
across
the
street.
Perhaps
this
site
and
the
park
should
be
connected.
Certainly
the
sidewalk
and
and
the
park
should
be
connected
and
whether
the
city
has
an
interest
in
that
or
not
or
whether
the
applicant
has
an
interest
in
that,
and
we
should
at
least
talk
about.
H
H
Q
Q
Q
A
H
The
last
thing
is,
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
the
city,
and
the
drainway
trail
committee
should
think
about.
This
is
that
there
should
be
a
walkway
that
comes
up
south
avenue
in
grandview
to
connect
to
the
sidewalk,
that's
along
the
front
of
the
park
into
the
settlement
camp,
so
that
you
make
that
connection
a
walking
connection
between
the
mountain
and
the
tire
on
the
bridge
area
and
the
new
trail.
Then
the
cold
spring
and
everything.
H
So
that's
a
closed
loop
and
to
me
that
would
be
maybe
more
beneficial
than
a
creek
trail,
which
would
be
really
fraught
with
difficulties
because
of
the
wetlands
issue
and
that,
whereas
a
stone
dust
trail
along
the
south
side
of
this
property
along
the
street
would
be
connecting
up
the
a
complete
pedestrian
circulation
system
that
I
think
is
necessary
for
the
city
in
the
long
run.
So.
H
Q
Yeah
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
city
right
away
there
so
we're
you
know
it
again.
It
goes
back
to
the
bridge.
What's
going
to
happen
with
the
bridge,
and
you
know
what
I
understand
is
the
scenic.
Hudson
is
actually
going
to
make
a
crossing
south
of
the
bridge
because
there's
so
much
indecision
about
the
bridge,
but
when
the
bridge
comes
to
reality,
then
we're
willing
to
consider
that,
because
right
now
it
doesn't
go
anywhere.
Yeah.
I
J
J
J
E
I
wanted
to
chime
in
about
the
trail
and
some
of
the
options
that
would
leave
open
the
opportunity
in
the
future
when
some
of
the
difficulties
that
you're
discussing
and
unanswered
questions
start
might
have
an
opportunity
to
be
resolved
either
by
the
city
or
by
other
trail
developer.
You
know,
like
the
fjord
trail,
which
has
a
significant
amount
of
funding
and
what
I,
this.
The
trails
that
you
have
laid
out
on
the
site
plan
right
now
indicate
like
an
arrow
going
towards
at
two
other
towards
where
the
bridge
is
right.
E
E
E
E
You
know
where
the
bridge
is
going
across
and
past
arf
right,
there's
a
sewage,
there's,
a
a
storm
water
easement
that
we
have
there's
a
sewage
line
that
goes
through
there
there's
already
an
existing
road,
there's
already
infrastructure
in
place
for
a
part
of
this
trail,
and
it
would
seem
like
it
wouldn't
be
that
difficult
to
to
put
all
those
pieces
together
at
some
point
they're
not
together
now,
but
I
think
it
might
make
sense
to
put
on
this
plan
that
there's
a
contemplated
connectivity
to
potential
trails
in
the
future.
They're.
E
A
Q
A
X
A
That's
my
point:
that's
my
point,
the
one
not
previously
contemplated
and
I'm
just
curious
and
I'm
more
directing
this
to
kevin.
However,
I'm
looking
at
you
but
outside
of
those
two
trails,
the
one
previously
contemplated
the
fjord
trail
and
the
one
not
previously
contemplated.
Are
there
any
other
trails
you're
talking
about
in
what
you
just
described.
E
You're
talking
about
the
fjord
trail
and
the
fiscal
creek
trail
right
you're,
besides
those
two.
Yes,
what
is
being
contemplated
here.
What
we're
discussing
right
now
right
is
whether
or
not
in
the
future,
a
some
sort
of
public
accommodation
in
the
trail
would
be
or
a
connectivity
to
existing
trails,
and
I
I'm
not
even
saying
that
it
would
have
to
be
public
access.
It
could
be
gated
just
that
there's
a
connection
to
a
right-of-way.
E
I
just
would
like
to
in
some
way
I
think,
would
be
prudent
right
to
not
pro
preclude
that
and
to
allow
in
the
future,
because
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
would
have
to
happen.
For
this
trail
to
happen
it
doesn't
have,
you
would
have
to
get
buy
into
whatever
happened.
It
would
have
to
be
a
series
of
investments,
public
investments
and
other
investments
to
make
the
rest
of
that
happen,
because
they
aren't
adjacent
to
develop
properties
like
on
the
other
side
of
the
creek.
Where
we're
I.
A
A
A
As
a
member
of
the
board,
I
personally
feel
it
as
far
as
the
fjord
trail
and
the
willingness
of
the
applicant
to
consider
that
and
in
consideration
of
the
real
engineering
challenges
of
creating
a
new
trail,
this
newly
contemplated
trail.
That's
why
I
keep
saying
this:
there's
categories
there's
previously
planned
needing
to
be
connected
trails.
A
L
L
Screening
that
little
you
know
the
northern
facade
of
this
spa
building
a
little
bit
better.
I
don't
think
really
will
take
all
that
much
from
the
roadway
and
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
lack
of
screening
along
the
east
side
of
the
crescent
parking,
even
though
I
understand
that's
not
going
to
be
visible
from
the
roadway.
I
think
the
experience
of
that
large
lawn
area
would
be
enhanced
by
not
having
the
parking
so
exposed.
I
Y
A
I
think
we've
been
reasonably
clear
in
our
position
relative
to
the
newly
contemplated
trail
through
your
property,
appreciate
your
consideration
during
phase
two
for
a
connection
to
the
fjord
trail.
At
this
point,
any
questions
before
we
go
to
the
public
for
a
secret
public
hearing.
Thank
you,
nope.
M
Teresa
craft,
this
is
an
important
night
for
beacon
development.
Look
at
this
full
house
of
concerned
residents
happy.
I
appreciate
that
the
applicant
and
their
team
took
into
account
the
concerns
and
moved
the
parking
and
planting
mass
away
from
the
public's
view
of
the
historic
helen
estate
and
its
important
view
shed.
M
Both
must
protect
their
adjacent
historic
districts.
A
project
of
this
scale
must
be
a
benefit
to
those
surrounding
neighbors
and
not
a
burden.
The
marabou
inn
and
spa
project
fits
nicely
within
the
aesthetics
of
its
ample
acreage
and
its
surroundings,
while
the
other
project
is
squeezed
in
with
no
breathing
room
for
its
surrounding
neighbors
beacon
needs
more
protection
for
its
cultural
resources.
M
Like
many,
I
too
have
watched
the
architectural
review
boards
in
newburgh
and
in
poughkeepsie,
and
their
standards
are
very
high.
They
are
not
just
an
arm
of
the
planning
boards.
We
are
only
one
of
a
few
municipalities
in
the
mid
hudson
valley
region,
not
enrolled
in
new
york
state's
certified
local
government
program,
and
I
think
it's
time
for
a
change.
I
AA
Z
Z
B
Z
As
an
enhancement
both
to
the
fish
coat
creek
green
man,
heritage
trail
and,
to
the
other
trail,
the
broader
trail
networks,
trails
within
beacon
in
general,
so
and
just
going
back
a
little
bit,
I
mean
it.
It
may
seem
sort
of
odd
that
it
we're
contemplating
a
future
or
kind
of
as
yet
to
be
contemplated
trail.
But
I
would
remind
you
that
that
is
exactly
how
the
greenway
trail
started
out.
You
know
we
first
started
talking
about
it.
It
was
a
completely
kind
of
hypothetical.
I
Z
I
Z
Fish
greenland
heritage
trail
links,
but
to
the
fjord
trail,
which
was
mentioned
so
the
the
it
is
true.
Yes,
you
know
that
I
had
a
conversation
with
mr
kellogg
this
morning,
in
which
he
said
that
he
would
not
be
willing
to
allow
for
public
access,
and
what
I
said
to
him
was
that,
while
we
were,
of
course
very
disappointed
and
that
I
had
hoped
that
we
that
the
issue
could
be
left
open.
I
Z
Further
discussion
in
the
future,
if
there
is
some
way
to
create
create
a
connection
here,
I
think
it
would
be
to
the
city's
benefit,
if
not
over
the
proposed
walking
path
that
they
have
in
the
master
plan.
Then
perhaps
over
the
over
the
sewer
easement
one
of
the
other
things
I
would
add,
and
maybe
not
aware
of
that
there
he
mentioned
several
private
property
parcels
and
the
arf
parcel,
but
there's
also
a
large
city
parcel
kind
of
between
those
parcels
which
I've
walked
with
council
member,
danny
marbler
and
mark
price.
Z
With
the
idea
of
perhaps
someday,
you
know
encouraging
the
city
to
consider
that
as
a
great
location
for
a
park,
so
that
would
further
enhance
you
know
that
trail
connection,
so
just
to
say
that
there
are
things
that
are
currently
happening
now
and
potentially
in
the
future.
That
would
make
this
a
great
trail
network,
unfortunately,
a
great
addition
to
the
trail
network.
Unfortunately,
it's
not
part
of
the
fiscal
creek
development
district,
so
we
can't
compel
there
is
nothing
to
compel
them
to
build
it,
but
I
still.
Z
Best
interest
and
that's
what
we
would
encourage
to
be
to
have
that
option
left
open
in
terms
of
liability
just
so
everybody
is
aware-
and
this
is
something
I
mentioned
to
mr
kellogg-
that
the
general
obligations
clause,
indemnifies
property
owners
for
injury
to
users
of
publicly
accessible
trails.
Thank
you.
P
P
P
O
P
U
U
My
biggest
question
is,
I
think,
the
neighborhood
just
to
the
south
of
us
that
we're
talking
about
that
area
and
one
of
the
nicest
neighborhoods
in
beacon-
and
it's
particularly
nice,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
get
out
of
their
apartments
and
houses
and
walk
walk
with
their
kids
walk
with
their
spouses,
push
baby
carriages,
there's
no
sidewalks.
We
come
up
the
street
come
up
to
grandview
and
go
down
now.
U
U
U
B
AB
AB
I
am
concerned
because
it
will
bring
traffic
onto
grandview
avenue,
which
is
residential
it'll
bring.
There
is
no
sidewalk,
as
this
gentleman
has
said,
people
do
walk.
I
walk
all
the
time
with
my
children,
grandchildren,
dog
many
people
use
that
we
don't
have
a
sidewalk.
If
you
increase
the
traffic,
it's
going
to
be
that
much
more
unsafe.
AB
You
know
residents
guests,
whatever
one
exit
one
entrance
doesn't
feed
into
any
neighborhood,
except
that
one
street
goes
through
the
equinox
hotel
and
resort
in
manchester
vermont
been
going
there
for
35
years
feeds
out
onto
route
7a
there
used
to
be
an
exit.
It
actually
still
exists
into
the
the
neighborhood
it's
rubbed
off
now,
so
you
you
come
in
the
main
from
the
main
road
you
go
out
to
the
main
road.
You
do
not
impact
the
people
living
nearby.
AB
I
AB
Said,
oh
god,
there's
so
much
traffic
coming
out
of
craig
house.
You
got
to
avoid
9d
and
all
that
the
the
level
of
use
when
they
were
used
decades
ago,
significantly
less
than
what
it
will
be.
If
let's
say
we
have
a
wedding
with
250
guests,
they're
all
you
know
they
decide
they
want
to
cut
through
the
neighborhood,
and
you
know
just
making
them
go
up,
grandview
avenue.
Well
that
won't
work
for
me
and
my
other
neighbors,
because
they'll
be
going
past.
My
house,
I
won't
be
able
to
get
on
my
driveway.
That's
not
right!
AB
AB
Speeding,
I've
seen
a
guy
recently
just
passed
three
cars,
and
now
there
are
school
buses
coming
up
and
down
that
road.
There
are
people
trying
to
make
turns
there,
so
you
do
need
some
kind
of
traffic
control
out
there
on
9d,
because
it's
only
going
to
get
worse
when
you've
got
you
know,
even
the
left-hand
turn
lane
that
it
might
help,
but
a
crosswork
there,
mr
kellogg
is
correct.
AB
People
are
going
to
be
trying
to
make
a
left-hand
turn
they're
going
to
do.
People
will
get
hit.
It
should
not
be
anywhere
near
that
left-hand
turn.
It
should
be
further
up
or
further
down,
but
it's
a
it's
a
highly
hazardous
road
already
and
this
venue
is
going
to
create
more
congestion,
but
you
know
the
state
road.
What
are
you
going
to
do?
Don't
destroy
my
neighborhood,
don't
destroy
the
neighborhood
to
the
south.
Thank
you.
K
Hi
mark
tory
riding
ridge
trail.
I
still
have.
I
agree
with
my
neighbor
that
dumping
traffic
onto
grand
view,
which
is
a
very
sleepy
street,
is
just
really
really
not
a
good
thing
to
do.
You
know,
but
I
do
think
there
should
be
more
entrances
and
exits
from
from
9d,
because
I
just
see
that
grand
entrance,
I
think
you
have
to
really
take
a
close
look
at
that.
K
I
think
that
grand
entrance
is
going
to
be
a
problem
with
cars,
making
a
left
coming
north
on
9d
cars,
making
a
left
out
of
miraboo
to
go
north
on
90..
I
think
that's
going
to
be,
and
then
you
throw
a
crosswalk
into
that.
I
think
that's
nuts,
I
think
people
are
going
to
get
run
over.
I
think
you
put
the
crosswalk
separately
put
it
somewhere,
that's
fine
put
the
crosswalk,
but
don't
don't
throw
it
into
the
mix
where
you
have
two
car.
You
know
two
different
flows
of
traffic
making
left-hand
turns.
K
K
There
already
is
a
trail,
there's
a
potential
trail
that
is,
it's
been
sitting
around
for
years.
It's
called
the
tire
on
the
bridge
that
will
cross
the
creek
and
allow
people
access
to
trails
at
madam
madame
brent
state
park.
So
I
don't
know
why
we're
imposing
upon
miraboo
to
to
put
a
trail
through
there.
They
are
connecting.
What
to
what
I
don't
know.
It's.
It's
not
clear
to
me.
K
AC
I
AC
AC
You
can't
really
screen
it
completely,
but
I
think
there
is
a
way
for
that
to
be
achieved
in
a
kind
of
I
don't
know,
hospitable
way,
seamless
way,
aesthetically
consideration,
you
know,
so
I'm
I'm
a
professor
of
design
at
parsons
and
I
work
a
lot
with
architects,
landscape,
architects,
urban
planners
etc.
So
I
I
am
aware
of
the
issues
that
you
guys
have
to
confront
with,
as
well
as
working
with
the
community
all
the
issues
that
my
two
neighbors
have
brought
up
in
terms
of
impact
in
the
neighborhood.
AC
A
A
A
Okay,
I
think
we're
all
back
thanks
for
your
patience,
we're
going
to
continue-
and
this
is
the
next-
I
am
listed
item
number
three
on
our
agenda.
This
is
the
continued
public
hearing
for
secret
environmental
review
on
application
for
subdivision
approval,
two
lot:
residential
and
public
hearing
on
application
for
subdivision
approval,
46
judson
street.
So
forgive
me.
This
is
two
public
hearings.
AD
I'm
fine
thank
you,
glenn
watson,
from
beatty
and
watson,
representing
46
judson
street.
What
we're
present!
What
we're
asking
for
approval
of
is
a
two
lot
subdivision
of
a
fifteen
thousand
square
foot
parcel
into
into
two
parcels,
one
about
sixty
eight
hundred
and
the
other.
The
difference
which
my
head
math.
I
AD
AD
AD
AE
AD
AD
A
J
J
A
A
E
I
was
wondering
if
the
consultants
had
looked
at,
I
think
alan
flynn's.
We
received
a
letter
from
from
alan,
then
flynn
with
detailed
notes
and
comments
that
were
very
specific
and
I
didn't
know
if
there
was.
I
wanted
to
see
if
there
was
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
that,
so
that
we
could
better
understand
whether
or
not
this
was
of
material.
E
This
materially
influenced
the
application,
as
it
seems
to
he
seems
to
be
stating
in
he's
quoting
specific
code
sections
and
deficiencies
in
the
application.
So
I
didn't
know
if
that
had
been
brought
to
your
attention
or
if
that
was
something
you
could
respond
to,
or
if
this
is
the
right
time
to
do
it.
H
I
don't
know
if
they're
in
the
audience
or
that
person
is
in
the
audience
and
the
applicant
could
respond.
I
did
see
the
letter
and
if
no
one
else
is
going
to
address
it,
I
would
address
it,
but
you
know
I'd
probably
give
have
you
seen
this
email
that
came
around
okay,
so
you
could
address
it
if
you
want
or
the
if
the
person's
in
the
audience,
let
them
speak
first,
but
we
can
get
to
that.
Yes,.
A
Yeah
so
so
kevin
just
for
your
edification.
The
the
individual's
comments
are
entered
as
a
matter
of
public
record
into
the
record,
so
they've
been
documented
and
hereby
noted,
and
so
the
applicant
can
should
they
wish
address
those
so
and
again,
if
the
individuals
here
who
made
those
comments
would
like
to
raise
them
here,
hopefully
not
being
redundant
but
concise,
may
also
share
their
thoughts
through
the
public
hearing.
I
Z
A
L
A
M
Since
there
were
seven
scheduled
public
hearings
on
tonight's
agenda,
I
only
have
one
combined
thing
to
read:
okay,
I'm
asking
that
you
please
do
not
approve
this
subdivision.
These
proposed
massive
in
scale
buildings
are
too
large
for
the
existing
neighborhood
streetscape.
This
neighborhood
does
not
call
for
high-density
housing.
I
appeal
to
you
for
better
judgment
and
ask
that
you
do
not
vote
to
set
a
precedent
for
splitting
up
our
neighborhood's
characters.
M
Please
listen
to
the
residents
of
beacon
where
you
work
for
the
people.
The
surrounding
neighbors
have
voiced
their
objections
and
signed
letters
showing
disapproval
of
the
scale
of
this
proposed
project.
Please
put
a
stop
to
these
developers
in
independent
or
corporate
from
profit,
generating
on
the
backs
of
our
community
residents
at
the
sole
expense
of
our
quality
of
life.
I'm
pretty
sure
most
of
us
here
have
settled
in
beacon
for
the
majestic
beauty
and
the
nature
that
this
small
city
affords
us.
M
A
A
N
N
A
N
N
A
AF
Hi
I'm
corinda
swann.
I
live
on
the
corner
of
union
and
judson
and
I
just
want
to
say
I
I
want
to
thank
you
first
off
for
spending
so
much
time
on
these
things
and
for
reviewing
the
storm
water
runoff
so
well,
and
I
think
that's
been
addressed
really
nicely.
That
was
my
main
concern
because
I'm
on
the
low
end
of
that
whole
intersection
by
about
seven
or
eight
feet.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
did
want
to
just
speak
briefly
to
alan
flynn's
comments
because
I
think
they're
really
good.
AF
AF
A
AG
AG
AA
Hello
francesca
crescent
drive,
so
I
introduced
myself
last
time.
I
do
work
for
paula.
I
am
often
kind
of
just
around
on
judson
and
with
this
petition
I
think
there
were
they
were
saying.
The
square
footage
of
the
house
was
going
to
be
4
000
square
feet,
something
crazy
and
neighbors
are
talking
and
actually,
after
the
last
meeting
we
did
decrease
the
size
of
the
house.
We
also
made
sure
not
to
take
down
that
tree
that
was
discussed
last
week.
AA
AD
A
AD
AD
A
AD
N
A
A
AH
AD
H
AD
AD
It's
not
governed
by
the
front
line
of
the
existing
buildings
along
the
street
and,
I
believe,
that's
a
permissive
permissive
rule
and
it
and
I
and
I
believe
it's
in
my
belief
that
it's
put
in
there,
so
that
somebody
who
has
a
corner
lot
isn't
really
too
constrained
in
terms
of
what
he
can
build
on
and-
and
we
did
take
advantage
of
that.
So
we
could
get
the
garage,
the
single
car
garage
in
on
the
other
side.
I
AD
Street
sorry,
it's
jay,
then
that's
j
j
is
the
one
I
was
that's.
I
should
have
fished
a
little
bit
better.
His
reference
to
13
jk
doesn't
apply
in
this
particular
case.
I
looked
at
houses
within
250
feet
of
each
side.
You'll
see
there's
at
least
one
house,
that's
closer
to
the
road.
There's
only
one
house
on
that
block.
That's
facing
that's
mr
flynn's
house,
so
it's
it's.
AD
When
you
read
through
that
law,
that
law
is
trying
to
generate
a
consistent
line
of
of
houses
that
that
give
a
sort
of
a
streetscape
look
of
the
houses
all
being
a
kind
of
a
similar
setback.
So
these
sort
of
look
up,
some
might
say
regiment
and
some
might
say
nicely
proportioned.
I
would
say
nicely
proportioned.
I
agree
with
that
notion,
but
but
there's
no
justification
for
it
against
you
along
union,
because,
first
of
all,
there's
only
one
house
within
250
feet,
mr
on
on
to
the
east.
That's
mr
flynn's
house!
AD
So
it's
hard
to
see
how
you
can
accumulate
a
streetscape
in
that.
In
that
sense
there
are
two
houses
within
250
feet
to
the
west.
They
are
across
judson
street
and
they
are
both
well
closer
to
the
road
than
if
than
mr,
mr
flynn's
house.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
an
applying
that
rule
on
judson
union
is
a
is
a
non-issue.
It's
just
it
just
it's
not
applicable
issue
and
that's
our
position
on
it.
Yeah.
A
AE
H
AD
H
H
AI
H
They
you
know
if
you
can
see
the
house
on
on
the
plan
here.
It's
set
back
further
and
the
house
across
the
street
is
set
back
closer,
so
they're
sort
of
splitting
the
difference.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
think
the
argument
there.
Now
it's
not
an
enclosed
porch
on
on
the
judson
side,
but
the
architecture
on
this
house
is
not
done.
H
A
A
AD
AC
AD
Yes,
the
footprint
is
the
footprint
that
I
mentioned
a
moment
ago
is
likely
to
get
a
little
bit
smaller
to
make
up
that
error.
That's
on
my
map
and
then
and
then
I
think
we
can
take
a
couple
of
feet
off
the
back,
a
foot
or
so
off
the
back
and
and
get
it.
But
if
you
look
around
that
within
a
couple
of
blocks,
there
are
some
houses
that
are
nearly
as
big
and
and
and
it's
it's
not
it.
There
are
smaller
houses,
no
question
about
it,
but
this
is
among
several
larger
houses.
H
AJ
Caroline
eisner,
you
referring
to
my
my
letter,
so
you
know
you
keep
saying
if
you
were
to
be
in
the
neighborhood
and
you
notice.
These
things
have
I
mean,
has
anyone
gone
and
looked
what
this?
What
this
block
looks
like
and
what
it
will
look
like
if
there's
a
big
long
house
along
union,
it's
going
to
block
and
it's
going
to
shadow
the
two
houses
to
the
to
the
west
or
to
the
on
the
on
the
other
side
of
union
allen
is
losing
all
of
his
light.
AJ
Linda
is
having
a
house
the
one
right
next
to
it
is
losing
all
of
her
light,
and
you
say
that
you
can't
say
anything
about
the
size
of
a
house
when
I
did
my
house
and
paula
was
my
contractor
and
that's
why
I'm
so
concerned
when
I
did
excuse
me
be
polite.
When
I
did
my
house,
I
had
to
wait
a
whole
other
month,
because
the
neighbors
were
not
in
agreement
with
the
size
of
my
house
that
my
house
was
going
to
be.
AJ
I
set
it
back
because
my
neighbors
were
going
to
lose
the
view
of
one
of
their
their
children's
bedroom.
I
don't
I
don't
get
how
that
doesn't
matter.
These
are
two
3
000
plus
square
foot
houses
where
there
was
one
1800s,
squat
square
foot
house.
How
is
that
possible?
And
when
you
talk
about
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood
being
the
same
size,
those
houses
are
up
against
each
other.
AJ
Everyone
looks
at
them
and
says:
how
could
that
have
happened
and
her
house
on
russell
street
and
the
house
on
churchill
are
too
large
for
the
lots
and
they
excuse
me.
I
am
speaking
and
they
are
too
large
for
the
lots
and
there's
nothing
to
be
done
about
it
now,
and
I
just
wish
you
could
hear
us
in
the
neighborhood.
I've
only
been
there
two
years
that
it's
going
to
change
everything
in
that
neighborhood.
You
say
you
can't
do
anything
about
size,
but
how
is
it
going
to
look?
AJ
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AK
I've
done
maybe
four
restorations
in
beacon
and
two
new
builds
and
contrary
to
what
ms
eisner
said,
I
didn't
add
one
square
foot
to
churchill.
I
restored
it.
In
fact,
the
original
mansard
had
fallen
down,
it
had
just
crumbled
down
and
I
rebuilt
it
rebuilt
the
brick
foundation.
It
was
one
of
the
first
houses
on
church
hill.
I
take
pride
in
what
I
do.
I
love
building
my
buildings
speak
for
themselves.
AK
I'm
writing
a
book
on
all
the
properties
that
I
restore
rebuild
and
the
history
of
how
they
were
built
and
why
they
were
built
in
beacon.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say,
and
I
really
want
the
neighbors
to
be
happy,
and
you
know
I'm
very
lucky
to
have
glenn
working
with
me,
we'll
we'll
do
what
we
can
do
to
lessen
any
you
know
light.
We
may
take
away,
but
the
sizes
that
have
been
quoted
here
are
completely
wrong.
Glenn
has
everything
in
writing.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
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AI
And
the
point
here
is
that
you
know
the
site
has
transformed
over
the
years
and
and
now
sort
of
a
a
wonderful
community
amenity,
and
we
sort
of
understand
that
and
understand
sort
of
the
sensitive
nature
of
the
site.
We
took
pains
on
trying
to
develop
something
that
was
sensitive
to
some
of
those
concerns.
AI
AI
And
so
here
is
a
rendering
showing
how
we
feel
that
this
project
will
develop
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
to
the
the
planning
board
every
time
I
come
to
beacon
on
the
weekend,
it
seems
like
this
site.
This
corner
is
sort
of
like
that
gateway
to
the
main
street,
and
it
was
very
important
how
we
treat
that
gateway.
AI
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
architectural
elements,
but
I
think
we
wanted
to
be
really
subtle
on
this
and
sort
of
kind
of
develop,
a
a
plaza
in
that
corner
that
could
be
engaged
by
the
the
public,
and,
as
I
mentioned,
we
really
recognize
that
this
site
has
a
lot
of
history
to
the
neighborhood
and
we
wanted
to
sort
of
continue
that
community
involvement
with
this
site.
So
what
we're
proposing
on
the
ground
floor
is
to
have
a
retail
establishment
that
will
have
sort
of
this
open
air
about
it.
AI
AI
The
other
thing
that
we
sort
of
thought
about
was
murals
and
how
important
they
are
in
the
beacon
community,
and
so
there
are
opportunities
to
sort
of
have
an
art
display
on
that
facade
at
different
times
and
we're
working
closely
with
the
planning
board
to
kind
of
develop
the
framework
on
how
that
our
artwork
can
be
implemented
on
this
corner,
and
so,
as
I
mentioned
before,
our
development
includes
the
172
main
street,
and
so
what
we?
What
what's
interesting
about
that
building,
is
just
two-story
building.
AI
We
want
to
sort
of
respect
some
of
the
architectural
elements
of
that
two-story
building,
so
we
do
have
an
addition
on
that
building
to
step
back
to
kind
of
respect
that
and
give
it
the
prominence.
The
other
thing
that's
nice
about
it.
It
kind
of
breaks
up
the
street
elevation
with
from
the
historic
buildings
that
are
to
the
east
and
and
in
our
development.
So
it
kind
of
gives
it
kind
of
gives
it
sort
of
relieves
and
gives
it
a
break.
AI
And
then
we
can
have
this
sort
of
contemporary
building
on
this
corner
and
again
we
sort
of
implemented
some
of
the
bay
windows
that
we
saw
in
the
design
guidelines.
We
also
introduced
some
of
the
juliet
balconies
and
again
on
the
ground
floor.
There
will
be
areas
for
a
retail
establishment
and
then,
as
you
turn
the
corner,
we
have
the
same
treatment
and
then
the
entrance
to
the
residential
that
is
on
the
second
and
third
floor.
AI
What
was
really
great
about
keeping
172
it
kind
of
keeps
the
historic
fabric
of
that
block,
but
also
makes
sort
of
a
nice
break
for
for
this
contemporary
development
on
the
corner
and
one
update
for
the
planning
board.
I
think
the
last
time
we
talked
about
was
material,
brick
samples.
So
I
brought
some
brick
samples.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
have
that
discussion
now,
but
I
think
we're
getting
closer
to
what
we
would
like
to
see
as
far
as
the
brick
that
we
want
to
use
on
this
development.
A
Yeah
we'd
be
curious
to
see
what
developments
have
come
of
that
conversation
probably
later
in
our
conversation.
Okay,
great,
but
thank
you
so
at
this
point,
just
as
far
as
any
of
the
items,
our
planner
and
engineer
have
observed
about
your
application,
we'll
just
cover
those
first
we'll
start
with
john
yeah.
H
H
H
Of
a
remnant
from
the
days
when
west
end
needed
security
lighting
and
now
it
doesn't
yeah,
and
so
the
committee
has
actually
suggested
of
taking
out
every
other
light
on
the
west
end
and
using
it
to
replace
the
high
street
lighting
in
the
central
section.
So
there
would
be
consistent
lighting,
but
it
would
be
a
little
subtler
in
terms
of
the
you
know.
The
heavy
lumens
that
are
available
in
that
area,
if
you
go
there
at
night,
is
really
as
bright.
H
A
J
A
Thank
you,
john
and
then
the
new
note
of
which,
of
course,
we're
all
aware
regarding
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
the
fact
that
the
arb
has
spent
significant
time
with
the
applicant
on
that
review.
They
also
reported
out
to
us
last
month,
so
the
only
outstanding
piece
would
be
where
we
stand
on
that
final
material,
the
brick
right.
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Along
you
know
the
what
corner
is
that
that's
the
west,
the
northwest
corner
of
the
plaza?
Is
there
perhaps
a
way
to
take
some
of
the
green
space
so
that
the
cross
street
sidewalk
connects
to
the
plaza
and
adding
the
green
area
to
the
east
side
of
the
plaza?
Perhaps
I
don't
know
if
it
works
with
the
facade.
You
know
in
your
design
of
the
facade,
but
just
a
thought,
because
I
I
feel
like
having
a
flow
at
the
corner,
as
you
started
with,
was
really
helpful
for
that
corner.
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M
I'm
concerned
that
beacon
is
still
allowing
high
density
development,
especially
on
its
main
street,
in
light
of
all
the
public
outcry
over
the
past
few
years
and
only
getting
louder
today,
there
is
nothing
proposed
in
this
current
design
that
has
the
aesthetic
feel
of
our
historic
industrial
city.
A
treasure
beaconites
are
proud
of
visually.
I
find
this
extremely
hard
to
look
at.
It
looks
like
a
shopping
mall
from
the
90s.
M
M
When
the
applicant
stated
his
intention
was
to
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
existing
historic
district
covering
the
west
portion
of
main
street,
a
goal
which
we
treasure
cherish.
That
was
his
words.
The
planned
build
out
across
in
maine,
located
in
beacon's,
historic
district
and
landmark
overlay
zone,
is
flying
under
the
guise
of
affordable
senior
housing.
But
let's
be
real
here.
There
is
a
lot
of
social
services
that
come
with
senior
housing.
M
Is
this
the
right
neighborhood
for
that
type
of
housing?
Is
this
even
a
neighborhood?
This
isn't
a
senior
housing
community,
it's
a
box!
I
hope
you
watched
the
city
of
beacon
council
meeting
last
week
on
september
6th.
It
was
a
relief
to
hear
a
valued
professional
architect
call
out
the
case
for
quality
of
materials,
something
we
don't
hear
in
recent
discussions
with
other
project
developers
and
their
architects,
even
though
the
residents
have
been
asking
over
the
past
few
years,
why
fake
bricks
facades
are
now
the
norm
in
this
historic
brickworks
industrial
community?
M
If
any
part
of
this
project
goes
forward,
there
better
be
some
real
bricks
involved.
I
think
the
best
investment
this
city
can
make
is
to
force
this
developer
to
scale
back
this
project
make
it
fit
in
with
its
character.
We
heard
years
ago,
when
this
project
was
before
the
planning
board
dressed
in
another
envelope,
that
if
he
can't
build
what
he
wants,
he'll
just
build
it
somewhere
else,
I'm
still.
Okay.
With
that
concept,.
AE
AE
In
the
pictures,
there's
no
there's
no
green
on
the
floor,
so
I'm
I'm
a
little
confused
as
to
what
green
space.
That's
question
number
one
question
number
two:
it's
called
two
cross
street
and
it's
here
listed
as
four
cross
street.
I
believe
there
is
an
existing
building
called
four
cross
street.
Is
that
going
to
be
coming
down
and
is
that
part
of
this
plan
or
are
we
just
talking
about
two
cross
street?
And
if
we
are
white,
this
four
cross
street
here.
AI
AI
So
sorry,
I
forget
how
tall
I
am
about
the
restoring
four
course
cross
street.
You
know
we
were
really
careful
to
incorporate
172
main
street,
which
is
in
the
historic
district
and
unfortunately,
four
cross
street
just
is
just
outside
the
historic
district
and
the
planning
board
chose
not
to
include
that
building
in
the
the
in
the
historic
district.
AI
So
the
reason
why
we
we
demolished
what
we're
proposing
to
demolish
forest
forestry
is
to
make
sort
of
an
efficient
plan
for
affordable
housing.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
challenges
with
incorporating
four
cross
street
into
our
plan,
but
we
think
we're
very
successful.
We're
incorporating
the
historic
fabric
of
172
main
street
to
this
plan.
Thanks.
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A
No,
I
wouldn't
it's
okay,
maybe
some
other
time,
but
thank
you
very
much
next
item
on
the
agenda.
We
are
going
to
yep
what
was
our
agenda
item
number
five
now
currently
for
public
hearing
on
application
for
site
plan
approval,
artist,
studios,
five
henry's,
henry
street,
and
so
first
item
of
business
is
to
discuss
the
motion
to
or
otherwise
make
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing
motion
motion
by
random.
Second,
second
bike:
karen.
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G
The
existing
trees
on
henry
street
are
there's
42
inches
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
cutout
for
the
tree.
Existing
now
we
went
along
with
the
5
foot
and
including
on
the
corner,
so
our
existing
planter
did
work.
It
actually
makes
it
a
safer
corner,
because
when
you
walk
around
that
corner,
it
drops
really
quickly
yeah.
B
G
H
Relatively
minor
stuff,
yeah
we'd
like
a
detail
on
the
bike,
rack
to
see
what
was
going
to
get
put
in
there's
a
lot
of
lighting
fixtures
on
this.
You
know-
and
I
know,
but
I'm
just
worried
it's
going
to
be
lit
up
like
a
candle,
you
know
or
worse,
and
so
I,
it
just
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
lighting
they're,
they're
they're.
R
H
H
It
just
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
them
and
I
you
know
I'm
just
worried
how
it's
going
to
look
at
night.
So
either
you
have,
you
could
do
a
photometric
plan
or
you
could
tell
me
what
the
light
output
on
those
little
lights
are.
If
they're
all
you
know,
40
watt
equivalence
or
something,
maybe
that's.
Okay,
but
if.
H
And
you
should
check
with
the
tree
advisory
committee
on
the
tree.
Well,
you
know
they
used
to
have
grates
everywhere
in
the
city
tree
greats
and
yeah
they're.
Moving
away
from
that,
because
tree
grates,
you
know,
grab
a
lot
of
litter,
they're
really
hard
to
keep
clean.
They
can
constrict
the
trees
over
time.
H
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B
G
J
G
G
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G
Figured
that
one
out
yet
originally
I
thought
I
was
going
to
put
up
permanent
pieces
that
would
be
done
by
local
people.
You
know
sponsor
that
and
then
I
thought
well.
Maybe
it
should
be
a
rotating
thing.
You
know
it's
up
for
a
year
and
then
the
next
year
we'll
get
a
bunch
of
other
students
from
high
school
and
community.
G
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J
J
So
they
did
do
an
infiltration
inflow
study.
They
didn't
find
any
interconnections
to
the
sanitary
source
system,
which
is
a
good
thing
with
regards
to
the
site
plans,
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
is
shown
on
the
architectural
plans
that
needs
to
be
shifted
over
to
the
actual
site
plan
and
the
site
plan.
J
All
the
hatching
on
the
site
plan
needs
to
be
lightened
up,
you're
losing
a
lot
of
things.
There's
you've
got
a
lighting
plan,
but
I
can't
even
see
where
the
lights
are,
because
the
hatching
covers
everything
and
they
should
all
be
called
out
as
to
which
light
fixtures
they
are
on
the
plan.
So
a
lot
of
this
is
clear
on
the
architecturals,
but
on
the
site
plans
themselves,
you
can't
read
it.
The
legend
on
the
site
plan
should
also
be
updated
and
include
some
of
the
abbreviations
that
are
presented
on
the
plans.
J
There's
an
mw
there,
I'm
not
sure
what
specifically
that's
supposed
to
represent.
It's
noted
in
several
locations,
the
shrub
planning
schedule
on
sheet
s3
should
be
revised
to
include
the
quantity
disrupts
that
you're
going
to
be
planting
right
now.
It's
just
kind
of
states.
You're
going
to
plant
this
shrub,
but
it's
not
telling
me
how
many
of
these
different
plantings
you're
going
to
be
putting
in.
G
Okay,
that
some
of
it
was,
I
think,
due
to
not
knowing
what
sizes
would
be
available.
I've
I've
had
problems
on
projects
where
we
specify
stuff
and
then
you
go
to
buy
it
and
that
year
they
didn't
have
the
three
gallons
of
bygones
and
quantities
change
and
shipped
it
so
you're.
Looking
for
specific
numbers,
yeah.
J
J
H
J
Now,
with
regards
to
the
trees,
I
know
you've
stated
you
reached
out
to
the
utility
companies:
have
you
heard
back
from
them
at
all?
Not
yet?
Okay,
all
right,
I
still
have
a
concern
with
the
trees
being
under
the
wires.
I
think
that's
a
nice
addition
to
the
sidewalk,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
utility
companies
don't
have
a
problem
with.
J
AP
A
J
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H
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H
A
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G
A
Yeah
and
go
from
there
so
a
little
work
to
do
there,
but
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
yeah
and
then
the
only
other
question
I
have
just
as
far
as
the
aesthetic
you
have
the
wire
mesh
planting
screen
over
a
significant
part
of
the
henry
street
facade
with
the
planters
at
each
of
the
points.
The
intention
is
to
grow
something.
A
G
A
A
A
M
M
M
The
proposed
signage
I
saw
in
the
agenda
submission
earlier
may
be
too
much
of
a
good
thing
in
its
overall
size
and
the
visible
lighting
emitted
coexisting
in
a
residential
neighborhood
as
long
as
this
gets
approval
using
the
same
footprint
and
it
doesn't
get
any
higher,
I'm
okay
with
its
proposed
use
and
location
and
our
parking
calculations
in
the
equation.
Just
curious.
H
This
meets
the
parking
exemption,
1964
standard
yeah.
There's
there's
a
provision
in
the
code
that
if
it
was
existing
in
1964
and
is
not
increasing
the
parking
needs
by
more
than
25
percent
of
what
was
in
place
in
64
that
you
don't
need
parking.
It's
for
historic
preservation
purposes
for
buildings
that
are
already
built
and
don't
have
any
room
for
parking
so
that
they
can
continue
to
be
used.
So
there's
that
exemption
and
they
went
to
the
building
inspector
and
they
agreed
that
this
qualifies.
L
A
G
A
L
A
L
B
I
AL
For
the
delay
mike
bodendorf
engineer
for
the
applicant
with
hudson
land
design
engineers,
this
is
a
proposed
five
lot
subdivision
located
on
highland
place.
It's
a
1.07
acre
parcel
located
in
the
r15
zoning
district
and
the
r110
zoning
district.
The
zoning
district
line
bifurcates
the
site
from
north
to
south.
AL
AL
The
existing
parcel
is
bound
by
three
city
streets
on
the
west,
south
and
east
side.
The
west
side
is
anderson,
street
south
is
grove
street
and
the
east
side
is
highland
place.
As
I
said,
we're
proposing
four
new
lots
from
an
existing
lot
with
an
existing
house
on
it.
Three
lots
would
be
located
in
the
r15
district
on
the
south
end
of
the
parcel,
and
two
of
the
lots
would
be
located
in
the
r110
zoning
district.
AL
As
you
recall,
when
we
originally
came
in
with
this
plan,
we
proposed
shared
driveways
for
two
of
the
lots
and
a
single
driveway
for
lot,
five,
which
is
located
in
the
northeast
corner
under
advisement
from
the
board
and
it's
consultants.
We
are
now
proposing
a
share
or
sorry,
a
private
road
that
all
the
lots
will
access
from.
So
we're
not
going
to
be
adding
any
new
curb
cuts
to
highland
place.
AL
AL
O
Q
H
J
So
the
applicant
has
performed
the
infiltration
inflow
study.
There
were
no
interconnections
from
anything
on
the
existing
site
into
the
sanitary
sewer
system,
with
the
exception
of
the
sanitary
sewer
with
regards
to
the
private
road,
they
do
have
to
prepare
maintenance
agreements
that
will
need
to
be
reviewed
by
the
attorney.
J
J
B
J
J
One
of
the
basins
concerned
with
one
of
the
yard
basins
was
eight
and
a
half
feet
deep.
We
discussed
that
you
were
going
to
take
a
look
at
that
lot.
Number
five,
since
they
have
so
much
rock
on
that
that
used
to
show
a
basement
in
it,
they're
no
longer
going
to
have
a
basement.
The
house
is
now
going
to
be
a
slab
on
grade
wow.
J
J
J
L
AL
AL
E
K
AL
J
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AF
M
Theresa
craft,
unfortunately,
this
developer
has
plans
to
alter
the
quality
of
life
for
a
quiet,
residential
neighborhood,
to
subdivide
a
small
parcel
to
fit
five
homes
where
one
is
the
norm.
This
will
impact
the
quality
of
life
for
all
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
on
other
nearby
streets,
including
mine,
and
I
can
tell
you
firsthand
that
this
does
not
make
anyone
happy.
I'm
intrigued.
The
developer
came
in
under
another
llc
name,
so
we're
not
all
triggered
by
the
connection
to
the
other
larger
projects
throughout
beacon.
M
AH
AH
R
H
AH
AH
V
AF
AH
AH
Z
Z
The
first
is
the
very
steep
slope
on
the
west
side
of
the
parcel.
This
is
the
side
that
faces
anderson
street.
The
second
is
the
fact
that
there
is
a
six
to
eight
foot,
high
gabbian
style,
retaining
wall
along
the
south
parcel
line
between
the
parcel
and
grove
street.
What
this
means
is
that
the
proposed
lot,
two
and
three
of
the
subdivision
are
effectively
landlocked,
I'm
assuming
that
this
is
why,
as
proposed,
the
lots
are
only
accessible
through
the
private
road.
Z
In
other
words,
there
is
no
frontage,
or
at
least
no
publicly
accessible
frontage
in
the
common
sense
of
the
word,
meaning
the
front
that
faces
the
street.
I
think
that
there
that
those
here
with
an
interest
in
this
development
would
appreciate
an
explanation
of
frontage
what
it
is
and
what-
and
why
does
the
subdivision
not
is.
Why
is
it
not
required
to
have
it?
Is
that
a
good
thing?
How
is
this,
making
the
neighborhood
better?
How
is
it
making
the
city
better?
Z
What
are
we
saying
when
we
approve
a
development
that
has
no
relationship
to
the
street?
This
is
more
than
just
a
question
about
where
the
kids
go
to
knock
on
the
door
for
trick-or-treating,
but
how
would
that
work?
That
ritual
is
an
expression
of
specific
cooperation
and
engagement.
How
does
it
work
when
you
can't
get
to
the
front
door
there?
Is
there
precedent
for
this
in
beacon?
If
there
is,
is
it
desirable
or
is
it
just
a
matter
of
two
wrongs,
somehow
making
a
right
lots?
Z
Z
I
respectfully
request
that
the
board
at
least
recommend
that
the
applicant
reduce
the
number
of
subdivided
laws
from
5
to
4
by
eliminating
lot
three
and
rotating
lots.
One
and
two
ninety
degrees
lots
one.
Two
and
five
would
all
face
highland
street
and
would
have
actual
frontage,
thereby
enhancing
the
street
by
mimicking
the
existing
pattern
of
the
street.
Instead
of
disrupting
it
lot,
4
could
keep
the
existing
driveway
much
narrower
than
the
18
feet
required
for
a
private
road.
Z
With
this
approach,
you
could
avoid
difficult
emergency
access
scenario
and
you
don't
create
a
strange
mini
mini-gated
community
that
has
turned
its
back
on
the
neighborhood
in
regards
to
trees.
As
you
know,
from
visiting
the
site,
the
west
slope
is
heavily
wooded.
What
is
the
plan
to
preserve
this
woodland
field?
If
there
is
no
plan,
why
I
would
like
to
bring
your
attention
to
the
area
between
the
west
property
line
and
anderson
street?
The
engineer's
note
calls
out
existing
trees
over
six
inches
in
diameter
at
breast
height.
Y
Z
That
belongs
to
the
city.
Has
the
applicant
secured
approval
from
the
city
to
clear
trees
in
this
area?
Can
we
assume
that
this
note
indicates
that
any
tree
under
six
inches
will
be
cleared
out?
Please
confirm
that
the
note
refers
to
trees
within
the
subject
property
and
that
no
trees
will
be
removed
in
the
area
west
of
the
property
line
along
anderson
street.
Z
In
conclusion,
this
really
looks
like
a
shoe
horn
to
me
and
to
my
other
neighbors,
and
for
what
so,
a
property
owner
and
developer
can
squeeze
some
extra
cash
out
of
the
lot
and,
as
a
result,
the
property
values
of
the
neighbors
diminish.
Is
that
fair
seems
like
this
works
against
the
goal
of
working
to
the
benefit
of
beacon
as
a
whole.
Z
As
section
195-20
and
subsection,
a
of
the
zoning
code
states,
the
planning
board
in
considering
an
application
for
the
subdivision
of
land,
shall
be
guided
by
the
following
considerations
and
standards
which
standards
shall
be
deemed
at
to
be
the
minimum
requirements
for
convenience,
health,
safety
and
welfare
of
the
city.
Let's
set
our
sights
on
the
maximum
welfare
of
the
city,
not
the
minimum.
Thank
you.
I
F
My
name
is
dan
mcgee.
I
live
at
16
spruce
street,
so
it's
basically
a
few
houses
down
at
the
meeting
of
highland
and
spruce
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
I
have
have
already
been
echoed
by
neighbors,
but
I
do
want
to
again
call
out
one
that
I
think
you
know.
We've
talked
about
the
trees.
We've
talked
about
the
general
nature
in
the
area.
F
I
cannot
think
of
another
wooded
lot
of
this
kind
of
characteristic
still
in
the
city
of
beacon
proper.
In
this
way
that
doesn't
abut
up
against
a
park
or
a
forest,
and
I
think
in
that
way
it's
an
incredibly
unique
space
that
really
does
define
the
neighborhood
that
has
far-reaching
effects
to
neighbors
on
grove
down
to
anderson,
to
spruce
to
highland,
and
I
think,
as
many
of
the
neighbors
have
said,
it
really
does
feel
like
this
is
how
many
can
we
get
and
not?
What
does
this
really
do
for
the
city?
F
F
F
AR
Hi
I'm
jody
macrido.
I
live
at
11
highland
place
directly
across
the
street.
I've
lived
there
for
about
18
years
and
certainly
less
than
58,
but
I
can
attest
that
nothing
has
ever
been
done
to
improve
that
area.
We
all
know
that
the
biggest
issue
with
the
secret
process
is
that
it
only
looks
at
an
individual
effect
and
not
an
accumulative
effect.
AR
I
don't
think
that
that
is
a
policing
issue.
I
think
that
that
is
a
building
issue.
We've
increased
traffic
way
too
much.
We
have
not
widened
any
roads,
we
have
not
added
any
sidewalks.
We
have
not
made
any
improvements
whatsoever.
I
don't
want
a
police
officer
stationed
at
the
end
of
my
block
every
single
day.
I
think
that
they
have
better
things
to
be
doing,
but
we're
definitely
creating
traffic
issues
that
we're
doing
nothing
to
solve.
AR
Environmentally,
I
don't
really
see
how
cutting
down
the
trees,
while
the
into
bat
indiana
bat
is
hibernating,
solves
the
issue
of
taking
away
where
it
lives.
I
think
that
we
all
know
that
there
have
been
more
and
more
issues
of
bears
wandering
around
in
beacon.
The
deer
have
no
place
to
go.
We
just
keep
building
on
all
of
the
green
space
and
these
animals.
AR
They
just
have
no
place
to
go.
There's
nothing
left
and,
as
my
neighbor
mentioned,
this
is
a
very
unique
property.
There
are
very,
very
few
areas
like
this.
I
wish
that
I
could
have
bought
it
myself
because
it
would
have
been
an
amazing
property
to
just
build
up
with
a
house
there's
a
great
view.
It's
a
great
property.
This
could
be
such
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
somebody,
and
I
don't
understand
why.
There's
this
need
to
just
cover
every
square
inch
for
maximum
profits
and
destroy
the
city.
AR
AR
So
I
don't
even
understand
how
it's
gotten
this
far.
I
know
that
I'm
drifting
a
little
bit
from
seeker,
but
I
have
to
mention
that
in
our
city
code,
section
195,
24,
lots
and
driveways
subsection
j.
It
says
subdivisions
with
land
in
two
or
more
zoning
districts.
It
states
that
if
it
is
necessary
for
a
zoning
district
boundary
to
cross
a
lot,
such
lot
shall
be
designed
so
that
it
can
be
readily
developed
in
accordance
with
the
standards
of
the
more
restrictive
zoning
district.
AR
This
slide
is
split
between
r15
and
r110.
According
to
our
city
code,
it
should
be
developed
in
accordance
with
the
most
restrictive
zoning
district,
which
is
r110.
We
should
only
be
discussing
four
houses
and
four
houses
would
be
okay,
not
ideal,
not
wonderful,
but
they
would
be
okay
if
the
frontage
was
actually
there
but,
as
was
just
mentioned,
the
front
edge.
Isn't
there?
Otherwise,
we
wouldn't
be
discussing
a
private
road
to
begin
with,
two
houses
on
highlands
and
two
houses
on
anderson.
Wouldn't
be
that
disruptive,
this
is
incredibly
disruptive
to
the
neighborhood.
It
is
dangerous.
AR
There's
no
place
for
the
cars
to
go
car
driveways
for
each
house.
I
have
three
cars
in
my
house
right
now
and
my
15
year
old
isn't
even
driving
it,
and
neither
is
my
11
year
old
people
have
more
cars.
Now
people
are
going
to
park
on
the
street,
it's
a
very
narrow
street.
If
cars
are
parked
on
both
sides,
there's
no
room
trucks
won't
be
able
to
get
through
the
garbage
trucks
won't
be
able
to
get
through
emergency
vehicles.
AR
AR
A
H
I
have
to
look
at
that
section
again,
but
the
lot
lines
are
along
me.
I
think
they're
talking
about
split
parcels
that
if
you
have
a
proposed
subdivision
in
which
the
line
goes
through
the
middle
of
the
proposed
lot,
then
it
has
to
be
of
the
more
restrictive
quality
this
one.
The
lot
lines
are
not
split.
H
They're
divided
between
the
city
and
its
wisdom
decided
to
run
the
lot
line
through
the
center
of
this
parcel,
as
opposed
to
like
normally
run
it
around
parcels
on
parcel
lines.
I
don't
know
why
that
was
done
whenever
it
was
done,
but
what
they're
doing
I,
as
far
as
I
know,
is
consistent
with
the
code.
I
understood.
A
A
So,
appreciating
all
the
remarks
that
we've
heard
by
concerned
neighbors,
I
I
need
to
make
very
clear
and-
and
I
want
to
emphasize
this
because
I
know
that
there
were
individuals
here
listening
to
that
conversation
who
have
shared
their
comments
with
us
to
the
effect
of
planning
board.
You
must
not
approve
this
and
when
I
know
those
individuals
have
attended
a
number
of
planning
board
meetings
and
other
meetings,
city,
council
meetings
of
planning
boards
and
other
municipalities,
they
know
how
this
works
and
then
make
comments
that
everyone
else
in
the
public
hears
around
planning
board.
A
AS
AS
AS
AS
A
O
There,
my
name
is
everett
gifford.
I
live
at
21
highland
place,
I'm
basically
right
across
from
the
planned
subdivision.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
been
there,
but,
as
everyone
else
has
already
said,
it
is
an
extremely
steep
hills.
On
either
side
there
really
isn't
frontage
on
either
side
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
everything
else.
I
think
it's
been
covered,
but
according
to
section
195,
222
private
roads,
subsection
a6-
and
I
quote,
the
city
planning
board-
shall
not
approve
the
use
of
a
private
road
in
a
subs
division.
O
I
AL
So,
first
of
all,
we
did
do
test
pits
on
the
site
and
we
found
that
there's
a
lot
more
depth
of
soil
in
the
areas
where
we
did
in
the
center
of
every
house
lots
one
two
and
three:
we
we
got
pretty
good,
deep
depths
there.
If
we
hit
hard
rock,
there
is
the
option
to
not
have
a
basement
in
those
houses
we're
already
committed
to
not
having
a
basement
on
lot
five.
A
A
AT
AT
AT
I
mean
if
we're
going
to
be
banging
how
many
years
are
we
going
to
be
listening
to
that
a
lot
of
people
work
from
home
now,
okay,
and
I
cannot
hear
that
for
eight
hours
a
day,
a
lot
of
people
have
children,
they
take
naps.
People
sleep,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
go
on.
This
is
a
you
know.
This
is
a
this
is
a
small
neighborhood
and
are
there
are
any
of
those
questions
able
to
be
answered
right
now?
If.
M
AN
AN
It's
actually
going
to
be
a
home
that
I'm
going
to
build
for
my
son
who's
going
to
live
there,
that's
going
to
not
have
a
basement
because
of
the
rock
that's
there.
I
can
commit
that
we
won't
work.
Saturdays
it'll,
be
monday
to
friday,
work
schedule
the
amount
of
rock.
I
don't
know
we
dug
test
holes,
as
I
said
over
on
on
the
grove
street
side
and
hoping
that
there's
minimal
rock
until
we
get
into
it.
I
won't
know.
AN
AT
A
So
the
out
the
hours
of
construction
is
something
that
the
city
puts
limits
on.
Okay,
that
the
applicant
must
adhere
to.
If
the
group
here
the
neighbors
have
concerns
and
the
applicant
is
listening
and
is
willing
to
further
the
discussion
with
you,
so
that
he's
able
to
allay
your
concerns
and
fears.
That's
another
avenue:
okay,
but
the
planning
board
cannot
put
restrictions
on
the
time
frame
within
which
this
developer
or
any
other
outside
of
the
city
law
builds
his
buildings
gotcha.
I
AS
A
AS
A
Ma'am,
the
planning
board
has
no
mechanism
for
acting
on
that
concern.
I
appreciate
you
lodging
it
it's
registered
again.
The
applicant
is
here
he's
listening,
but
the
planning
board
has
no
ability
to
act
on
the
concern
you
just
expressed.
I
hope
you
can
appreciate
that
the
planning
board
I
just
I
just
mentioned
talk
to
the
city
council.
Talk
to
the
mayor,
talk
to
the
building
exa
building
inspector.
AR
I
get
that
the
city
creates
the
code
and
I
get
that
the
city
council
is
responsible
for
a
lot
of
that.
I
do
believe
that
the
city
council
messed
it
up,
and
I
do
take
responsibility
for
that,
and
I
regret
not
having
done
more
on
my
time
on
the
council
to
make
sure
that
this
kind
of
thing
doesn't
happen.
That
being
said,
spot
zoning
is
illegal.
AR
City
council
creates
wide
zones.
It
is
up
to
the
planning
board
to
determine
if
the
things
that
are
being
developed
within
those
zones
are
appropriate
within
those
zones.
So
if
the
city
council
says
this
zone
is
r110,
this
zone
is
our
whatever
it
is.
We
don't
know
if
there's
rock
underneath
when
that
zoning
is
set,
we
don't
know
if
there's
no
frontage
and
a
private
road
would
need
to
come
in,
so
that
the
entire
burden
of
all
five
houses
is
on
one
tiny
street
instead
of
spread
out
amongst
three
streets.
AR
The
way
the
code
originally
suggested
that
it
should
be
so
the
planning
board
does
have
100
complete
authority
over
that.
That
is
a
decision
that
all
of
you
are
here
to
make.
That's
that's.
Why
we
have
a
planning
board?
It
is
up
to
you
to
say
okay.
This
particular
lot
is
different
than
that
particular
lot,
and
on
this
lot
that
doesn't
work
on
this
lot.
It
isn't
right
to
have
five
houses
in
a
little
sub
development,
come
out
to
a
tiny,
narrow,
five
house
street,
with
no
room
and
no
parking
this.
AR
AJ
A
F
Thank
you,
and
I
wish
that
we
didn't
have
to
keep
you
all
here,
this
late
either
rush.
I
want
to
raise
again
the
very
serious
concern
of
traffic
and
safety
in
the
neighborhood.
I
have
a
three-year-old
a
six-year-old.
There
are
a
number
of
other
young
kids
in
the
neighborhood.
This
is
a
small
street.
It
lacks
sidewalks.
A
S
I
think
what
might
make
sense,
because
we
have
had
so
many
public
comments
tonight.
I
think
there
are
answers
and
good
answers
to
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
were
raised
tonight.
What
I
might
suggest,
as
a
recommendation,
is
to
keep
the
hearing
open.
Have
the
applicant
respond
to
the
questions
that
were
raised
tonight
in.
S
A
Y
Y
We
are
not
afraid
of
the
challenges
that
are
faced
as
the
city
of
beacon
and
I
think,
as
a
community
if
we
kind
of
communicate
and
speak
and
use
the
tools
at
our
hands,
I
think
some
of
these
frustrations
can
be
addressed,
maybe
not
to
the
satisfaction
of
everybody,
but
it's
a
starting
point
to
create
a
communication
basis.
You
have
to
communicate
with
people
who
you.
Y
We
didn't
get
here
as
the
city
of
beacon
with
the
frustrations
that
are
being
expressed
over
the
last
25
plus
years
by
not
communicating,
and
they
have
been
some
very
difficult
conversations
in
the
city
of
beacon
and
they
will
continue
to
be
difficult
conversations
long
after
I'm
sitting
on
this
board
long
ago.
After
many
of
us
are
here,
so
I
think
we
as
if
we
act
like
a
community.
Y
So
I'm
seeing
that
that's
a
long
time
ago,
and
I
sat
here
and
listened
to
the
frustrations
and
the
anger
and
the
energy
and
the
love
and
the
dis,
the
discommunication
lack
of
communication
and
all
I
could
encourage
everybody
in
this
room
and
everybody
who
hears
my
voice
don't
be
afraid
to
speak
to
the
people.
You
don't
agree
with,
because
that's
the
only
way
you
come
to
a
conclusion
that
everybody
works
with.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
because
we
hear
you
and
we
have
been
hearing
you.
A
A
S
V
A
A
AL
A
A
A
C
C
C
A
C
C
C
C
C
Yeah
jc
is
going
to
speak
to
that,
but
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
and
just
say
that
I
don't
think
that
I
definitely
want
to
improve
the
neighborhood,
and
I
know
travis
is
concerned
that
it's
going
to
negatively
affect
the
neighborhood,
but
it's
definitely
not
my
intention,
and
so
that's.
Okay.
H
AO
AO
AO
The
second
floor
doesn't
have
a
dimension
noted
on
our
plans,
but
it
does
it
actually
just
for
the
record
it.
The
interior
space
is
above
seven
feet,
not
six
foot
eight,
as
was
suggested
by
the
the
the
letter
received
it
scales
at
six
foot
eight,
but
that's
just
the
scale.
There's
there's
a
note
in
our
drawings
that
joins
should
not
be
scaled
for
information.
A
AO
B
AO
Second,
floor
is
seven
feet
and,
above
the
the
maximum
is
seven
foot
two
and
a
half
existing
at
the
apex.
So
we
have,
according
to
the
residential
district,
for
minimum
height
of
ceilings,
exception
one
on
their
slope
ceilings.
We.
We
can
use
part
of
the
second
floor
as
as
a
habitable
space,
the
parts
that
are
less
than
the
well
basically.
AO
Exception
1
does
allow
us
to
have
as
long
as
50
of
the
proposed
floor
area
is
7
feet,
the
rest
of
the
sloped
ceiling
can
be.
The
rest
of
the
area
can
be
less
than
seven
feet,
so
we
have
use.
We
have
legal
use
of
the
second
floor,
and
so
we
go
beyond
the
300
square.
Feet
which
was
expressed
was
a
concern
of
the
neighbor,
because
we
do
have
less
than
300
on
the
first
floor.
AO
AO
And
the
third
and
the
three
cars
will
be
modified
to
bring
more
clearance
to
that
west
parking
space.
But
obviously,
at
this
point
we
didn't
submit
a
new
set
of
drawings,
but
that's
basically
about
it.
The
the
excuse
me,
the
the
house
itself-
is
less
than
600
square
feet
footprint.
So
it's
a
lesson,
and
so
the
40
percent
rule
is
a
is
a
tough.
AO
Metric
to
meet,
we
are
basically
at
40,
but
we're
not
quite
at
40
we're
like
at
41
42.
So
that
is,
you
know,
maybe
an
issue,
but
david
buckley
was
hoping
that
that
wasn't
a
concern.
He
didn't
think
that
that
was
your
concern,
but
that's
where
we
are
at
the
garage
is
existing
252
square
feet
and
the
house,
according
to
the
surveyor,
is
593
square
feet.
We
noted
as
581,
but
the
surveyor
says
it's
593..
A
H
And
then
he's
agreed
to
make
sufficient
space
for
the
western
space.
I
did
in
response
to
the
letter.
That
was
those
are
really
code
issues
that
the
building
inspector
is
going
to
have
to
come
up
with
an
answer
on.
So
I
asked
I
emailed
him
when
I
got
looked
at
that
letter
and
and
asked
for
his
response.
It
was
only
a
day
or
two
ago.
He
hasn't
gotten
back
to
me,
but
he's
going
to
have
to
determine
about
the
height
of
the
second
floor
and
it
doesn't
meet
the
40
standard.
AO
H
AO
AP
AS
AO
But
when
I
reread
the
code
for
305.1
minimum
height
under
slope
ceilings,
we
will
have
to
go
in
a
little
more
because
because
the
amount
of
area
that
is
actually
seven
feet
is
is
less
than
we
would
like.
So
we're
not
going
to
get
as
much
as
we
propose
100
square
feet,
we're
going
to
get
about
80
square
feet,
but
80
plus
the
250.
So
on
the
first
floor
is
over
300.
H
AO
J
It
says
mr
calderon
noted
there
are
some
cleanup
items
that
are
to
occur
on
the
utility
plan.
Some
additional
construction
details
need
to
be
added
some
details
modified
and
we're
asking
that
there
be
better
coordination
amongst
the
drawings
from
one
drawing
to
the
next.
Those
lines
appear
in
different
places,
and
I
had
also
mentioned
the
maneuvering
of
vehicles
in
and
out
of
the
parking
area.
AO
I
B
AO
A
AB
A
AU
AU
Since
then
we
were
told
to
go
to
the
city
council
for
a
special
permit
for
parking
in
the
rear
and
also
to
the
traffic
safety
committee
to
discuss
some
of
the
off-site
roadway
improvements
that
came
up
during
a
public
hearing.
So
we've
done
those
things
we've
made
mostly
minor
detail,
changes
to
the
plans
and
submitted
supplemental
information.
I
think
at
this
point
the
comments
have
been
addressed.
AU
We've
submitted
to
the
health
department
for
water
and
sewer
we've
met
with
central
hudson
verizon
altis
one.
You
know
all
the
utility
companies
just
trying
to
get
things
lined
up,
get
any
little
comments.
Anybody
has
so
we
can
get
those
incorporated.
So
that's
kind
of
what
we've
been
working
on
and
we
figured
you
know.
We
made
some
revisions
to
the
plans
and
we
thought
we'd
resubmit
and
just
you
know,
continue
the
discussion.
AU
H
Okay,
this
project
started
in
2019
yep.
We
started,
I
think,
september,
2019
or
november,
something
like
that
and
at
that
time
we
were
working
under
the
old
zoning
tables
and
in
there
there
was
provision
for
residential
parking
on
adjacent
parcels
in
a
residential
district,
commercial
parking
on
a
residential
parcel
and
a
residential
district.
H
H
Yes,
and
we
didn't
realize
it-
I
didn't
realize
it-
I
take
full
credit
for
not
realizing
it.
I
think
it
was
my
mistake
for
allowing
that
to
be
dropped,
but
also
for
not
realizing
it
until
we
started
going
to
the
council
setting
up
for
the
council
meeting
and
realized
that
there's
no
provision
in
the
law
left
in
there,
we
traced
it
back
and
realized
what
had
happened.
So
we
went
to
the
council.
H
We
said
this
is
a
general
general
provision
that
applied
to
all
across
the
city,
to
anything,
residential
or
residential
and
commercial
districts
were
adjacent
to
each
other.
What
we
should
do
is
put
it
back
in
the
code.
The
way
it
was
when
this
project
started
and
it
would
apply
in
this
project
and
it
would
apply
to
other
projects.
It's
a
useful
thing.
H
We
ran
into
similar
thing
for
the
cross
street
project
where
they
had
to
put
the
parking
in
an
adjacent
district,
so
they
agreed
to
consider
it
and
they
have
a
publix
hearing
set
for
next
monday
and
they
just
need
a
referral
from
the
planning
board
saying
that
it's
okay,
to
put
it
back
in
the
law.
What
was
previously
in
there
when
this
project
started,
got
it.
So
that's
on
our
agenda
tonight.
S
H
A
H
A
E
H
A
H
A
AU
Y
A
I
I
A
AU
A
P
J
X
A
X
A
X
X
X
It's
a
mixed-use
commercial
on
the
ground
floor,
it's
going
to
be
artists
and
artists
in
studios
and
then
a
portion
of
the
upper
part
of
the
footprint
is
going
to
be
residential.
Lofts
there'll,
be
28
of
those.
The
second
floor
doesn't
take
up
the
entire
first
floor
footprint.
So
there's
some
roof
garden
area.
Up
on
the
second
floor
as
well,
we
have
all
the
parking
we
need.
There's
no
zoning
variance
is
requested.
It's
a
two-story
building,
we'll
we'll
have
more
information
on
the
landscaping
and
engineering
for
the
next
submittal.
X
X
Plan
requirements,
so
what
we'll
be
expanding
these
plans?
What
else
can
I
tell
you
it's
in
the
historic
district,
so
you
know
we'll
be
working
with
the
arb
get
a
quick
idea.
The
idea
is
that
it
kind
of
goes
with
the
industrial
buildings,
on
the
develop
property
and
and
also
has
some
relation
to
those
brick
houses
which
used
to
be
part
of
the
overall
project
as
well.
But
you
know
we'll
work
through
that
with
the
arb.
X
A
X
I
mean
they
gave
us
a
couple
of
notes
about
their
concerns.
You
know
I
mean
basically
it's
things
that
we're
going
to
go
over,
which
I
explained
to
them.
You
know
that
they're,
you
know
they
know
we're
in
the
historic
district,
so
they
want
to
make
sure
that
we
work
with
the
arb,
which
is
part
of
the
procedure
anyway.
X
A
H
The
way
it's
if
the
fish
creek
development
is
set
up,
they
have
to
do
concept
plan,
but
they
don't
have
expertise
in
seeker.
So
what
they're?
Referring
it
to
you
to
do
the
seeker
review
and
then,
once
you
give
it
a
neg
egg,
a
neg
deck,
they
would
go
back
to
get
the
concept
plant
approved
and
then
it
would
come
back
to
you
for
site
plan.
H
H
But
for
seeker
you
need
a
lot
more,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
do
traffic
studies
and
water
and
sorority
issues
and
flood
plain
things
and
to
do
the
seeker,
which
is
much
more
than
for
the
concept
plan.
And
when,
when
this
was
envisioned,
I
think
they
thought
that
the
council
would
do
the
seeker
on
the
concept
plan.
But
and
then.
X
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So
this
is
basically
the
crux
of
it.
It
says:
off-street
parking
for
private
passenger
vehicles
may
be
allowed
by
special
permit
from
the
planning
board
on
a
lot
in
a
residential
district
which
has
a
shared
parcel
line
for
at
least
20
feet
with
a
commercial
or
industrial
district
which
this
particular
linkage.
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Space,
so
they
did
a
study
of
their
existing
facility,
another
one
over
in
fish
gill
and
they
had
general
standards
for
the
american
planning
association.
Everything
for
self
storage-
and
this
was
what
was
generally
recommended-
would
be
consistent,
so
they
would
probably
have
to
have.
Instead
of
whatever
the
number
was
37
spaces,
it
would
be
six
bases,
one.
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Screen
here
this
is
great,
my
name
is
chad.
This
is
my
partner.
Stephen
hi
we've
been
given
the
opportunity
to
open
our
own
store
at
493
main
street
in
the
space
that
used
to
be
beacon,
mercantile
tony's,
old
space,
we're
doing
something
very
similar.
We
are
candle
makers.
We
also
make
and
curate
things
that
we
love.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
gift
shop
and
the
sign
is
going
to
be
in
the
place
and
the
same
size
that
tony
had
for
beacon
mercantile.
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Up
commerce
and
beacon
so
I'll,
ask
I'll
ask
this
on
condition
sure
that
you
confirm
with
dave
that
size
is
compliant
code
and
that,
as
you've
represented
your
sign.
However,
the
graphic
differs
from
campbell
and
campbell's
sign
that
the
ultimate
look
will
be
to
match
campbell
and
campbell's
finishes
colors
and.
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AV
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So
I
have
a
question
for
you
as
it
relates
to
your
submission.
It
looks
to
me
as
though,
yes,
you
are
replacing,
that
I
don't
even
want
to
call
that
battle
window
by
you're,
replacing
this
bow
window,
yes
by
creating
a
new
opening
and
installing
what
I
currently
presume
is
a
garage
door
type
feature
pretty
much
allah.
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I
know
I'm
biased,
and
this
is
part
of
what
some
of
us
do
right
is
make
things
look
nicer
that
then
sell
for
more
money.
So
actually
you
may
have
saved
like
two
thousand
dollars
with
the
fees
on
this
guy,
but
really
it's
an
ugly
building
and
it'll.
Never
it'll
never
be
worth
more
than
the
fair
commodity.
Minimum.
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AW
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AW
AW
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A
E
You
can
get
away
with
a
really
shitty
set
of
plans
if
it's
all
worked
out
or
if
you
are
willing
to.
You,
know,
take
whatever
changes
or
whatever
aren't
being
detailed
in
a
set
and
if
you're
not
willing,
you're,
not
interested
in
making
a
nicer
place,
then
you
get
a
minimum
yeah,
because
it's
a
terrible.
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A
A
So
your
best
bet
is
to
come
back
when
we
have
more
of
a
forum,
I'm
sorry,
but
also
just
a
piece
of
advice.
Please
don't
hire
civil
engineers
for
architectural
work,
they're
not
trained
for
it,
so
not
not
to
denigrate
civil
engineers.
What
they
do
is
noble
and
necessary,
but
they're,
not
architects,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
just
because
I
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
my
degree
and
career,
but
they
don't
do
what
architects
do
they're
not
trained
to
do
it
and
many
times.