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From YouTube: Beacon Planning Board 2-15-23
Description
The City of Beacon Planning Board Meeting from February 15, 2023
A
D
C
A
Okay,
so
the
work
session
today
is
going
to
be
about
the
electrification,
local
law,
that
is,
on
your
agenda
packet
in
your
agenda
packet
for
review.
So
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
give
you
a
little
background
and
walk
you
through
what
the
law
is
to
help
I
made
a
PowerPoint,
so
you
don't
have
to
look
at
my
face
the
whole
time.
A
So
we
refer
to
this
local
law
as
the
all-electric
building
law
and
you'll
get
a
feel
for
why
we'll
call
it
that
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
background.
Whoop
a
little
background
about
kind
of
where
this
came
from
now
New
York
has
taken
some
pretty
big
actions
recently
to
focus
in
on
our
goals
to
address
climate
change.
A
A
They
refer
to
these
laws
as
zero
emission
codes
and
standards,
and
they
also
encourage
energy
benchmarking
for
buildings.
So
all
that
happened,
the
city
council
wanted
to
explore
what
its
options
were
and
what
might
the
law
look
like
now,
I
think
it's
important
to
be
aware
of
some
things
that
are
in
the
pipeline.
That
could
happen.
Simultaneous.
A
We
have
the
governor
budget
proposal
that
just
came
out
in
her
budget
propolo.
She
includes
a
requirement
that
the
installation
of
fossil
fuel
equipment
and
Building
Systems
in
any
new
one-family,
Residential
Building
of
any
type
or
new
family
Revenue,
that
more
than
three
stories
in
height
shall
be
prohibited
on
or
after
December
31st
2025.,
the
installation
of
fossil
fuel
equipment
and
Building
Systems
in
any
new
movies.
A
Building
more
than
three
storage
in
height
for
new
commercial
building
shall
be
prohibited
on
or
after
December
31st
2028
there's
also
separate.
Legislation
proposed
that
provides
that
the
state
energy
conservation
construction
code,
according
to
the
energy
code,
shall
prohibited
infrastructure,
Building,
Systems
or
equipment
used
for
the
use
for
the
combustion
of
fossil
fuels
and
new
construction.
Statewide.
E
D
A
Before
these
these
pieces
of
legislation,
they
do
include
exemptions
so
for
the
state
budget
proposal,
exemptions
include
a
sentence
for
generation
of
emergency,
backup
power,
anything
in
a
manufactured
home
or
anything
in
a
building
or
part
of
a
building
that
is
used
as
a
manufacturing
facility,
commercial,
food
establishment,
laboratory,
laundromat
hospital
or
other
medical
facilities.
Critical
infrastructure,
such
as
backup
power
from
wastewater
treatment
facilities
or
crematoriums.
A
A
Hospital
or
crematorium
so
similar
example
Governor's
bill
and
the
proposed
legislation.
So
with
that
in
mind,
let's
talk
about
what
we
have
going
on
a
week
so
on
February,
6
2023.
After
several
Workshop
meetings,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Beacon
introduced
a
proposal
for
law
to
create
chapter
106,
Article
5
of
the
code
of
the
city,
to
begin
entitled
all
electric
buildings
to
require
electrification
of
new
residential
and
commercial
buildings.
F
A
Promote
the
public
health
safety
and
general
welfare
and
protect
and
secure
an
individual's
rights
to
a
healthy
environment,
as
is
required
from
the
Marine
Amendment.
The
goal
is
to
eliminate
obsolete
natural
gas
infrastructure
and
Associated
green
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
new
buildings,
where
all
Western
impractically
integrated
to
reduce
environmental
and
health
hazards
to
be
funded,
consumption
and
transportation,
completion
of
natural
gas.
G
A
Of
the
New
York
State
energy
level
and
subject
to
the
provision,
the
requirements
of
that
section,
the
city
of
Beacon,
is
allowed
to
adopt
a
local
energy
conservation
construction
code
that
is
more
stringent
than
the
energy
conservation
construction
code
of
the
state
of
New
York.
So
the
energy
flow
for
the
state
at
this
time
does
not
require
electrification.
So
the
standards
proposed
in
our
legislation
that
you
have
before
you
tonight
are
more
stringent
than
what
the
energy
headquote
says.
But
that's
that's.
Okay.
A
A
So,
with
the
energy
code
in
place
and
the
green
amendment
in
place,
we
feel
that
we
really
have
solid
rounds
to
move
forward
with
this
local
law.
Now.
I
also
think
it's
interesting
to
note
that
we're
not
alone
in
this
in
December
of
2021,
the
New
York
City
Council
passed
legislation
to
phase
out
fossil
fuels
out
of
nuclear
new
construction
in
2024.,
so
the
New
York
City
law
means
that
few
exceptions.
D
A
One
pushing
to
make
all
buildings
completely
electric
similar
to
what
Beacon's
doing
this
affects
the
New
York
City
law
affects
everything
from
how
the
building
is
heated
to
the
kind
of
stoves
that
will
be
in
apartments.
The
requirements
are
going
to
be
phased
in
with
new
low-rise
buildings
being
required
to
provide
by
24
.
A
The
law
covers
almost
all
new
construction
and
Renovations,
with
exceptions
for
manufacturing,
hospitals
and
restaurants
on
the
New
York
City
law
focuses
on
emissions,
and
the
equipment
to
be
in
place
has
to
be
very
at
very
low
emissions
and
that's
what's
being
phased
in
in
the
town
in
the
city
of
Ithaca.
They
also
adopted
similar
legislation.
There's
a
few
book
on
eco
is
there
to
the
complicated
point
system
that
they've
put
into
place,
but
effectively
by
January
1st
2026.
A
D
F
A
A
This
is
an
overlay
to
the
state
energy
code,
which
includes
its
own
efficiency
requirements,
including
lighting
ventilation
and
other
requirements
that
happen
in
that,
do
you
still
have
to
comply
with
the
New
York
State
energy
code,
but
on
top
of
that
you
have
to
comply
with
the
town
and
city
of
ithaca's
code
supplement
and
that's
exactly
what
we're
doing
here
in
Beacon
we're
adding
this
as
a
local
code
supplement,
it
does
not
override
the
energy
code.
It
supplements,
what's
already
included
to
the
energy
code.
A
So
in
vegan,
who
does
our
law
apply
to?
The
law
applies
to
new
residential
construction,
new
commercial
construction
and
major
renovations.
So
the
definition
of
residential
construction,
commercial
construction,
major
res
Renovations,
is
set
forth
in
the
law.
We
have
to
find
renovate.
We
have
to
find
Residential
to
be
any
building
covered
by
the
residential
code
of
New
York
State,
as
well
as
any
building
that
is
classified
in
accordance
with
Chapter
3
of
the
building
code
of
New
York
state
in
groups,
R2,
R3
or
R4,
including
accessory
dwelling
units.
A
A
Building
used
for
commercial
purposes,
then
we
have
major
Renovations.
Our
definition
of
major
Innovations
in
this
legislation
is
any
construction
or
renovation
to
an
existing
structure
other
than
a
repair
or
addition
where
the
work
area
exceeds
75
percent
of
the
heated
floor
area
and
involves
the
replacement
of
new
installation
of
a
heating
or
hot
water
system.
A
Changes
to
ventilation
and
air
conditioning
systems
are
not
considered
Renovations
of
the
heating
system,
so
it
would
not
trigger
compliance
with
this
law.
What
is
not
covered
by
this
legislation
is
the
use
of
fossil
fuels
to
power
emergency
backup
power
that
can
continue.
Municipal,
Water
and
Sewer
facilities
will
not
be
required
to
comply
and
any
project
that
receives
site
and
the
site
plan
approval
from
the
planning
board
prior
to
June
30th
2023..
A
The
reason
for
that
last
bullet
point
is
because
we're
trying
to
address
projects
that
are
going
to
be
phased
in,
that
have
received
planning
board
approval,
but
might
not
be
constructed
right
away
or
might
have
one
building
constructed
with
a
couple
buildings
constructed
throughout.
You
know
a
10-year
period,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
fair
and
practical
in
the
way
we're
drafting
this
legislation.
So
that's
why
we
have
that
language
in
place
about
the
planning
board
approval
prior
to
June,
30th
2023.
A
So
the
meat
of
the
law
talks
about
the
all-electric
building
requirements.
What
are
they
so?
What
we
said
was
effective
on
January,
1st
2024,
no
building
permit
application
shall
be
accepted
by
the
building
department
and
no
building
permit
issued
for
new
construction
or
major
Renovations
of
residential
buildings,
which
require
the
use
of
fossil
fuels
to
power
any
equipment
or
Building
Systems
they're
in
including
space
heating,
water,
heating,
cooking
and
clothes
drying.
A
The
third
bullet
point
says
effective
on
January,
1st
2027,
no
building
permit
application
shall
be
accepted
by
the
building
department
and
no
building
permit
issued
for
new
construction
or
major
Renovations
of
commercial
buildings
which
require
the
use
of
fossil
fuels
to
power
any
equipment
or
Building
Systems
they're
in
including
space
heating,
water,
heating,
cooking
and
clothing.
And
again
the
last
bullet
point
says
the
same
thing,
but
with
respect
to
the
portion
of
the
use
building
used
for
commercial
for
commercial
purposes.
A
Now
we
understand
that
it
might
not
be
practical
for
everybody
to
comply.
There
are
going
to
be
issues
and
we
might
not
even
be
able
to
predict
what
those
issues
are
going
to
be,
so
the
law
incorporates
a
hardship
exemption
and
so
under
the
hardship
exemption.
An
applicant
who's
building
permit
application
has
been
denied
May
apply
to
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
for
a
hardship,
Redemption
and
obtain
relief
from
the
all-electric
building
requirements
to
obtain
a
certificate
of
hardship.
A
So
tonight
you
have
the
law
before
you
for
consideration.
I
know
you're,
probably
thinking
well
what
what
did
the
city
council
want
you
to
do?
Well,
some
of
the
questions
that
have
come
up
that
you
should
consider
is
how
should
mixed
uses
be
handled
throughout
this
process?
We've
changed
it.
A
little
bit
originally
mixed
uses
were
all
going
to
be
handled
the
same
as
commercial
uses.
With
that
later
compliance
date,
we
then
decided
that
it
would.
A
You
might
want
to
discuss
what
other
exemptions
we
should
incorporate.
You
know
I,
we
went
through
what
the
state
has
proposed
and
the
state
has
some
specific
exemptions
that
they're
considering
we
do
not
have
those
same
ones
in
this
legislation,
but
it's
definitely
something
to
be
aware
of
and
discuss
and
then,
as
a
board,
do
you
feel
that
the
law
is
feasible?
Do
you
have
any
issues
regarding
developers
ability
to
comply?
A
We've
heard
from
several
developers
who
seem
to
indicate
that
this,
the
electrification
of
both
residential
and
commercial
buildings
is
possible
and
it's
possible
pretty
quickly.
Many
people
are
already
doing
it
and
preparing
for
it.
But
what
are
your
thoughts
and
then
does
the
planning
board
have
any
questions
or
concerns
about
implementing
and
enforcing
the
provisions
of
the
law?
A
You
know
we're
going
to
have
to
put
it
in
place
and
then
we're
going
to
have
to
make
sure
that
it
can
be
applied,
that
it
can
be
enforced
and
that
it's
clear
to
potential
developers
and
applicants.
So
these
are
some
of
the
key
questions
to
focus
on
and
discuss
when
you
get
to
this
part
of
the
meeting
tonight
and
look
at
this
little
blog,
we
also
have
a
ton
of
background
information
in
the
agenda
packet
that
we've
provided
also
to
the
city
council.
A
B
Yeah,
if
you
don't
mind,
yeah,
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure
we'll
have
a
lot
more
questions
when
we
get
to
this
part
of
the
meeting
toward
the
end
appreciate
the
very
thorough
review,
so
I
guess,
with
a
few
more
few
remaining
minutes
in
our
Workshop.
Does
anybody
have
anything
pressing
they
want
to
ask
Drew?
Are
you
sticking
around
into
the
Andrew?
No,
no!
Okay!
So
we'll
ask
you
our
questions.
I
D
B
Yeah,
so
let's
do
this:
let's,
let's
excuse
Drew!
Thank
you
very
much
and
then,
when
we
come
to
the
latter
part
of
the
meeting,
we'll
we'll
share
out
our
questions
and
we'll
have
the
conversation
amongst
ourselves
so
welcome
everyone
to
the
February
2023
meeting
of
the
city
of
Beacon
planning
board.
First
order
of
business
to
accept
any
notes,
changes
to
last
month's
meeting
notes.
L
B
H
B
M
Evening,
Mr
chairman
happy
post,
Valentine's
Day
everybody
for
the
record,
Taylor
Palmer,
with
Cuddy
and
fader
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
tonight,
I'm
joined
by
the
architect,
R.A
Siegel,
our
trap
consultant
Rich
d'andrea
of
Colliers
engineering
and
Mike
bodendorff
of
Hudson
Land
Design,
we're
also
joined
by
our
sound
consultant,
Mike
bajante
from
V
Lang
Associates.
So
we
have
two
Mike
B's.
We've
got
plenty
of
Johns
on
the
board.
M
Since
then,
we
did
submit
a
supplemental
submission
to
you
on
January
31st
and
we
introduced
even
further
and
more
significant
limits
on
the
hours
of
operation,
the
capacity
of
the
event
space,
the
number
and
types
of
events
that
are
being
held
in
space,
because
those
were
discussions
about
what
the
intent
of
the
space
is
in
Gavin
will
speak
more,
of
course,
to
what
we're
posing
for
that
accessory
space,
and
hopefully
these
have
helped
further
mitigate
against
any
potentially
significant
environmental
impacts.
Some
specifics
just
to
help
sort
of
digest.
M
We
do
have
a
visual
which
hopefully
Raa
will
bring
up
that
shows
our
Matrix,
so
to
speak,
of
of
the
what
I'd
call
the
Alternatives
analysis,
not
only
the
existing
conditions,
but
what
was
originally
proposed
and
has
been
significantly
revised.
These
are
always
in
response
to
your
comments
and
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
the
public
throughout
the
process.
So,
in
our
updated
submission,
that's
posted
online.
M
N
M
M
That's
and
we've
also
limited
the
events
to
no
later
than
9
p.m.
On
Thursdays
and
Sundays
and
holidays
I
know
this
is
some.
Some
of
this
is
tar
development,
it's
all
in
our
our
submission
package
and
in
our
Matrix,
and
that
we
will
be
no
later
than
10
p.m.
On
Fridays
and
Saturdays
and
holiday,
Eaves
we've
also
restricted
any
Rock,
I
think
AKA,
I
think
Jennifer,
Gray
and
I
have
called
the
Mega
Death
concerts
because
again
not
what
we're
doing
here
or
DJ
events
and
those
have
been
limited
to
9
p.m.
M
So
we've
we've
taken
where
those
events
which
were
concerns
about
patrons
leaving
the
facility
for
specifically
those
types
of
events,
so
we've
reduced
those
down
to
9
pm
as
well.
So
that's
regardless
of
the
day
of
the
week
that
the
event
is
held
at
the
recommendation
of
City
staff
and
for
ease
of
review
by
the
board.
We
have
submitted
that
Alternatives
analysis
and
Matrix.
That
I
think
will
hopefully
help
us
get.
M
So
as
it
stands,
the
applicant
is
now
proposing
a
maximum
capacity
of
180
attendees.
For
those
limited
number
of
events,
we
had
originally
proposed
the
500
person
maximum
capacity
space
of
note
out
of
the
160
events
that
could
be
held
if
every
possible
day
was
filled
so
I
know
that's
the
sort
of
the
metric
we've
been
looking
at,
not
that
this
is
going
to
be
the
instance,
but
because
it
could
be
we're
evaluating
all
this
in
the
it
could
in
those
cases,
be
only
40
of
those
can
actually
be
maximum
capacity.
M
So
only
40
events
a
year
can
be
the
Max
Capacity
180
persons
in
the
space
and
only
80
of
those
can
be
held
later
than
9
pm
and,
of
course,
no
later
than
10
pm.
So
we've
we
continue
to
constrain
the
project,
continue
to
reduce
the
capacity
and
we're
trying
to
show
as
an
alternative
analysis
that
all
these
all
this
does
is
further
reduce
any
potential
impacts.
M
Because,
again,
the
concerns
of
the
board
from
a
noise
perspective
haven't
really
been
around
the
event
space
itself,
because
that's
inside
no
outdoor
events,
we
have
no
nothing
will
be
outside
in
the
parking
lot.
Sorry
John,
Clark
I,
know
you're
ready
to
party,
but
there's
no
parking
lot
outdoor
event,
space
like
Bank
Square
across
the
street,
you
know,
or
the
DJ
from
8
to
2
A.M
according
to
the
website
for
Billy
Joe
ribworks
across
the
river,
as
our
noise
consultant
will
also
mention
in
just
a
minute.
M
We
did
include
a
acoustical
supplemental
report
which
responded
to
your
city's
Consultants
sound
report,
I
believe
they're
on
the
zoom
tonight.
As
well
and
our
report
found
that
the
project
will
not
generate
sounds
exceeding
the
city's
daytime
or
nighttime
noise
standards
and
will
not
have
any
potentially
significant
environmental
noise
impacts
because
any
produced
sound
levels
will
be
consistent
with
the
existing
built
environment,
the
adjacent
off
street
parking
areas
and
busy
Route
9
D
War
Walcott
corridor.
M
It
was
important
to
also
recognize
that
our
sound
report,
the
the
heroes
that
we
gathered,
was
conducted
on
a
Tuesday
in
the
winter,
so
one
of
the
Lesser
busy
times
in
Beacon
and
one
of
the
least
busy
days
of
the
week.
So
there
was
no
band
playing
with
Amplified
music
at
bank
square
and
there
was
no
DJ
or
Latin
night
at
Billy
Joe's
Woodworks
Outdoors
across
the
river.
M
It's
also
important
to
note
that
that
again
played
until
2
A.M
a
night.
It's
also
important
to
note
that
the
noise
measurements
demonstrated
that
the
existing
ambient
conditions
surrounding
the
site
are
also
elevated
because
of
9d
and
the
train
station
and
the
existing
car
apartment
complexes.
The
the
garbage
trucks
that
go
through
and
the
tenants
of
those
and
Walkers
and
passers-by
on
the
existing
sidewalk
Network
foreign
details
mitigation
measures
that
we
can
Implement
for
both
the
indoor
events
and
concerns
related.
M
M
Oh,
they
can't
hear
us
well
I'll,
let
that
continue
to
work.
I
was
Frank's
on
the
traffic
piece,
so
we've
also
agreed
to
limit
indoor
events
to
95
DBA,
so
that
was
a
represented
in
our
report
and
that
ensures
that
nothing
that
that
internal
inside-only
events
will
not
have
impacts
outside
of
the
hall
space.
H
M
O
M
But
what's
very
important
to
note
here
is
that
those
numbers
have
been
they've
really
been
brought
to
a
point
where
we're
really
looking
for
your
feedback
and
and
maybe
that
of
the
public,
about
what
could
bring
us
through
that
threshold.
Is
it
limiting
the
hours
of
operation
to
eight
and
nine
o'clock
consistent
with
the
noise
ordinance?
What
what
meaningful
input
input
could
we
have
here
to
finally
push
this
to
a
point
where
this
could
be
a
usable
space?
M
It's
a
church
today
today
in
the
existing
conditions,
if
to
use
the
board
in
the
Public's
comments
before
the
worst
case
scenario.
Every
day
it
operates
at
Max,
Capacity,
that's
350
people,
no
controls,
no
mitigation,
no
management,
nothing!
We
are
proposing
a
very
strictly
monitored,
regulated
organized
component,
restricted
the
number
of
days,
the
total
capacity
and
we're
willing
to
commit
to
doing
more
if
the
board
sees
a
path
to
make
this
viable.
G
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Mike
bonchi
I'm,
a
senior
scientist
and
d-lang
Associates.
We
are
a
natural
resources,
consulting
firm
I'm
in
my
43rd
year
of
doing
analyzes
that
include
mostly
air
and
noise
analysis.
I
was
hired
to
take
a
look
at
this
particular
project
and
to
make
a
determination
as
to
the
existing
Edition,
the
proposed
impacts
and
the
potential
for
mitigation,
as
it
relates
to
sounds
and
noises
that
may
be
associated
with
the
proposed
prophecy.
G
Whole
venue,
the
prophecy
Hall
menu,
is
a
conference
center,
so
the
music
is
sort
of
ancillary
to
that
from
it
is
not
supposed
to
be
a
concert
Center.
There
may
have
been
some
confusion
because
the
music
that
was
used
internally
with
the
last
analysis
you
know,
was
in
fact
you
know,
sort
of
a
rock
thing
and
so
I
I
think
a
lot
of
people
got
the
idea.
Okay.
Well,
this
is
going
to
be
a
rock
concert
venue.
G
It's
not
it's
a
it's
supposed
to
be
a
conference
center,
but
music
will
be
a
part
of
some.
If
not
all,
of
the
events,
whether
that's
live
or
or
Amplified
is
it
could
be
either
way.
So
let
me
start
with
the
existing
condition.
Okay,
first
of
all,
we
have
a
site:
that's
on
Wolcott
Avenue,
that's
on
Route
90,
New,
York,
State,
DOT
road.
It's
considered
a
principal
collector
or
arterial.
G
That
means
that
it's
it
has
a
lot
of
traffic
and
since
it
so
we
went
out,
we
monitored
it
on
a
Tuesday
evening
and
again
it
was
during
the
winter
and
we
monitored
Peak
PM
traffic.
So
that's
you
know.
In
the
rush
hour,
Rush
Hour
tends
to
be
four
to
six
p.m:
maybe
4
to
6
30
p.m,
and
then
we
also
measure
10
to
11
pm,
because
we
know
that
was
the
maximum.
You
know
release
time
for
the
for
the
for
possible
events.
G
I
understand
they've
been
somewhat
restricted
now,
but
still
that's
the
maximum
release
time
so
in
the
ambient
environment.
What
we
found
we
started
on
the
east
side
over
by
walk,
cut,
Avenue
I'm
using
roughly
Northeast,
South
and
West
I
know
it's
not
exactly
that,
but
with
Wolcott
Avenue
being
called
the
Eastern
side.
G
Basically,
we
had
64
decibels
is
what
we
were
getting
in
the
peak
PM
hour.
You
are
chapter
149
standard
for
residential
areas
is
55
decibels
at
the
property
line
during
daylight
times
during
daytime
daytime
ends
at
9,
00
PM
in
the
statute,
so
we
were
getting
basically
nine
decibels
over
the
way.
Sound
Works
I,
don't
know
if
anybody's
gone
over
this
with
you
raise
your
hand.
If
I'm
boring
you
the
the
way
it
Sound
Works.
Is
it's
a
logarithmic
scale?
It's
not
a
direct
scale.
G
So
if
you
have
50
decibels
and
you
go
to
60
decibels,
that's
not
a
20
increase,
that's
a
10-fold
increase
in
power
and
the
wattage
that
you're
hearing
okay
and
it's
approximately
a
doubling
in
what
you
hear.
So
that's
how
it
works.
So,
even
though
it's
it
looks
like
mathematically
in
straight
lines,
oh
gee,
50
to
60
is
20.
It's
not
it's
a
doubling
and
sound
pressure
or
sound
perception
and
a
tenfold
increase
in
in
power.
G
Now
we're
also
dealing
with
an
a
scale,
in
other
words
when,
when,
for
example,
music
is
produced
a
lot
of
times,
modern
music
rock
music
has
a
lot
of
bass
in
it.
Well,
most
people
don't
hear
most
of
the
bass,
and
so
so
what
happens
with
the
a
waiting
scale?
Is
you
take
the
actual
decibel
levels
and
you
weight
them?
How
the
average
human
ear
hears
that
and
that's
also
how
your
ordinance
is
set
up.
It
has
a
little
bit
of
a
funky
provision.
G
Okay,
is
that
a
little
better?
Okay,
very
good?
So,
basically,
when
you,
when
you
get
out
to
having
diverted
to
that
discussion,
when
you
get
out
to
the
east
side,
Wolcott
Avenue,
you're
running
about
64
decibels,
I
have
63.6
decibels
during
peak
hour
and
after
10
p.m.
We
were
getting
almost
60
decibels.
In
other
words,
it
came
down,
but
it
was
still
five
decibels
above
your
daytime
standard.
G
So
that
is
not
that's
not
considered.
Quiet,
residential
quiet
residential
is
down
in
the
mid
40s
or
so
so
it's
it's
more
than
a
a
a
doubling
decrease
to
get
to
that
that
level
from
from
the
front
yard.
On
the
North
side,
which
I
believe
is
the
the
The
Lofts
on
the
West
End
Lofts,
you
see
actually
in
the
peak
hour
you're
getting
55
decibels.
G
So
you
kind
of
write
55.1,
so
you're
right
at
the
daytime
standard
had
the
property
line
and
at
night,
but
at
night
it
declines
to
45.,
so
it
does
quiet
down
considerably
at
night.
But
what
you're
also
seeing
is,
if
you
look
at
the
East
Side
during
the
peak
hour,
you
go
from
64
down
to
55
during
the
peak
hour,
so
you're
actually
I
think
what
you're
seeing
is
you're
seeing
the
parsonage
as
it
exists,
being
a
partial
block
and
a
mitigating
feature
for
that
particular
sideline,
and
this
was
opposite.
G
The
apartments
not
opposite
the
parking
lot,
because
it
has
its
own
parking
lot,
has
its
own
Associated
noise.
We
try
to
avoid
that
from
what
I
understand
from
my
monitoring
team,
there
was
the
garbage,
for
example,
backed
up.
You
know
to
the
garbage
thing
and
it
was
banging
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
that
happens
with
those
kind
of
utilities.
So
that's
going
to
happen
with
multi-families
you're
going
to
get
utility
noise
and
you
also
have
a
common
parking
lot.
G
So
you
have
the
same
kind
of
noises
in
terms
of
the
cars
going
in
them,
people
going
in
and
out
in
that
lot
as
to
a
certain
extent,
as
you
will
in
this
lot,
but
there's
no
time
restrictions.
We
went
to
the
west
side
of
the
of
the
the
property
and
that's
before
it
goes
down
into
the
to
the
cemetery
yeah.
B
C
G
Well,
the
way
you
measure
an
leq
is
you
measure
it
as
the
equivalent
that's
the
standard?
In
other
words,
it's
not
a
spontaneous
measurement.
There
were
higher
measurements
say
when
a
truck
goes
by.
There
were
lower
measurements
with
an
electric
vehicle
goes
by,
for
example,
and
there
might
have
been
some
pauses
in
between.
So
this
is
the
accumulation.
This
is
kind
of
like
a
like
an
average
I
want
to
say
it's,
it's
kind
of
a
geometric
average,
because
it's
not
a
straight
arithmetic
average
of
the
sound
over.
C
D
G
It
goes
by
or
when
they
signal
their
horn.
There
was
no
music
across
from
Newburgh
that
was
coming
into
the
into
the
sounds
from
what
I
understand.
There
was
nothing
going
on
on
the
other
side
of
the
river.
So
basically
it's
the
traffic,
that's
dominantly
it,
but
there
are
some
other
inputs.
Thanks
on
the
west
side,
we
didn't
go
down
the
hill
to
the
bottom
of
the
hill.
We
did
the
top
of
the
hill
kind
of
behind
the
the
building
during.
G
So
you
had
dropped
below
that
standard
and
again
part
of
that
is
distance.
You
know
you're
getting
back
from
from
okada
Avenue
and
also
you
have
the
building.
You
have
the
the
parsonage
as
a
sort
of
a
blocking
feature.
Then
we
went
to
the
South
side
and
we
came
up
again
with
55
decibels
on
the
south
property
line
during
the
peak
hour
and
then
that
dropped
off
to
49.4.
So,
let's
say
50
decibels
in
the
10
o'clock
to
11
o'clock
hour.
G
One
thing
again:
one
of
the
things
you
have
to
remember
on
this
particular
property
is
you
have
the
two
buildings
and
the
the
parsonage
is
an
old
wood,
older
wood
frame
building,
it's
got
multiple
lines
and
it's
got
a
broken
up.
It
isn't
like
a
like.
A
modern
Warehouse
will
have
a
flat
wall.
You
know
this
is
not
that
this
is
all
broken
up.
So
what
happens?
Is
it
helps
to
attenuate
the
sound
because
the
sound
will
come
in
first
wood?
G
First
of
all,
wood
helps
to
absorb
it
a
little
bit,
but
even
if
it's
smooth,
it'll
hit
those
Corners
it'll
hit
those
those
Peaks
and
it'll
break
the
sound
up
by
reflecting
it
in
different
directions,
and
you
have
the
same
thing
actually
with
the
church.
The
church
is
an
old,
concrete
building
with
a
with
a
good
brick
face,
and
it
also
has
slight
buttressing
on
the
side.
G
If
you
look
at
the
walls
again,
they're
not
smooth
about
18
inches
or
two
feet
at
the
base,
you
have
a
series
of
Concrete
and
brick
buttresses
that
come
down
so
again.
That
gives
you
number
one:
a
nice
brick
face,
which
is
all
kind
of
broken
up.
It's
a
Concrete
and
brick
generally,
the
heavier
the
material.
The
better
is
at
absorbing
sound.
G
So
if
you
have
a
slab
building
with
with
made
of
concrete,
those
members
will
generally
dampen
the
sound
more
than,
for
example,
a
steel
building
like
if
you're
in
a
hotel,
let's
say-
and
you
have
people
above
you-
you
much
rather
have
a
slab
of
concrete
than
a
piece
of
than
a
piece
of
Steel
as
a
general
matter.
There
may
be
other
circumstances,
so
that's
a
heavy
material,
it's
not
flush,
it's
got
a
good,
broken
up
surface
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
angles
to
it.
G
So
it's
not
just
a
plain
surface,
and
so
that's
you
know.
That's
something.
That's
going
to
happen
is
that
it's
good
that's
going
to
be
helpful
on
the
site
for
noise.
Now,
I
want
to
start
with
the
proposed
action
with
regard.
I
can
do
it
a
little
backwards.
Let
me
start
with
the
venue
itself:
the
venue
is
going
to
be
interior
to
the
church
95
decibels,
the
exterior
was,
let's
say
it
was
28
decibels
less.
So,
let's
make
it
easy.
G
So,
with
a
95
decibel
music
it'll
be
65
decibels
on
the
outside
of
the
wall.
The
way
the
church
is
now,
however,
that
was
near
the
windows
and
right
now
those
windows
are
not
built
for
Sound
Reduction.
They
look
nice,
but
they're,
not
built
for
Sound
Reduction.
So
when
you
put
that
acoustical
glass
on
the
inside,
which
is
more
of
a
building
permit
sort
of
thing,
you
can
generally
expect
about
a
10
decibel
decrease
I.
G
So
60
65
is
what
the
measurements
say
now
I
would
expect
75
55
when
the
acoustic
glass
goes
in.
There
was
some
talk
in
the
in
the
in
the
town's
consultant
noise
consultant
about
escaping
noise
from
the
entrances,
so
there
were
really
three
entrances.
That
would
have
that
as
a
concern.
The
first
is
the
front
entrance
right
on
the
front
of
the
church
out
towards
Wolcott.
The
second
is
going
to
be
a
new
entrance
in
the
corner.
G
Not
only
that
that'll
be
an
entrance
to
the
cafe
and
then
the
third
door
will
be
the
door
out
to
the
deck
proposed
deck
on
the
back.
But
what's
happening
is
the
Interior
Space
where
the
church
is
now
and
the
sanctuary
is
now
a
portion
of
that
is
going
to
be
the
venue
space
and
the
front
of
it.
The
front
already
has
the
north
X
and
so
there's
it's
already
separated
by
a
room
to
get
to
the
exterior
doors
with
doors.
G
So
there's
one
separation,
but
another
space
is
going
to
be
put
in
there.
I
think
a
gallery
and
some
other
space,
so
it'll
be
another
set
of
walls
and
rooms
with
interior
doors
before
you
get
to
the
venue,
so
that's
gonna,
I,
I
I
did
it.
I
did
some
calculations
in
that
my
my
report,
but
that's
gonna.
That's
gonna
really
minimize
the
space,
as
as
when
somebody
opens
the
front
door,
the
chances
of
all
those
doors
being
open.
G
Then
to
get
to
the
side
door,
you
have
to
do
a
90
degree,
turn
through
additional
doors
and
then
the
door
itself.
So
again
you
have
this
interior
buffering
space
with
interior
doors.
Same
thing
with
the
cafe
out
to
the
deck,
is
you're
going
to
have
the
space
and
then
you're
going
to
have
one
door
out
to
the
deck
and
that
doors
will
be
automatic,
so
it'll
be
closing.
The
idea
is
to
set
it
stays
closed
and
from
what
I
understand
the
deck
will
have
no
chairs.
G
It
will
certainly
have
no
music,
so
you
have
you
have
basically
a
viewing
space
where
you
walk
out
and
you're
viewing.
Maybe
you
bring
something
from
the
cafe
and
that
really
I
think
it
had
really
been
taken
care
of
before
I
got
here
that
portion
of
the
wall
that
there's
a
southern
there's,
a
southern
wall
that
goes
back
and
then
a
piece
of
the
wall.
The
piece
of
the
church
sticks
out,
but
the
main
Church
wall
is
going
to
be
extended
along
that
deck.
G
I,
don't
know
if
you've
looked
at
the
plans
and
that
is
going
to
be
pretty
effective.
It's
supposed
to
it's
going
to
be
a
brick
wall.
The
lower
wall
will
have
window
openings,
I
would
recommend
possibly
treating
them
architecturally,
in
other
words,
glass
block
or
something
like
that.
So
they
still
give
you
that
feel
of
a
church
window,
but
there's
no
opening
under
the
deck,
because
the
HVAC
is
going
to
go
there
now
we'll
get
to
the
HVAC
separately
in
a
minute
or
two,
so
that
would
be
Belton
suspenders
for
that.
G
But
when
you
get
up
to
the
deck
itself,
the
wall
continues
up
for
a
second
story
and
it's
10
feet
8
inches
high,
which
is
plenty
high
enough
to
attenuate
voices.
It's
going
to
again
be
a
brick
wall,
there
will
be
no
openings
and
there
was
some
discussion
I'm
not
going
to
answer
the
the
noise
consultancies
analysis
of
our
report.
Point
for
point
tonight:
I'm
going
to
be
providing
a
separate
report,
but
one
of
the
things
he
had
mentioned
was
there
could
be
some
flanking
around
that
wall
to
the
apartments,
but.
G
G
G
G
The
two
of
them
will
end
together,
also
they're
far
enough
out
that
they're
pretty
much
at
the
West
End
of
the
river
Riverview
apartments
and
so
I'm
not
worried
about
the
flanking
noise
coming
around
because
the
apartments
don't
extend
past
that
at
this
point
and
again
we're
talking
voices,
the
the
voice,
The
Voice,
we'll
talk
about
the
patrons
in
just
a
minute:
the
patrons
Voices
That,
I
Used
and
again
this
is
a
confusion.
The
noise
consultancy
said:
I
used,
I
used,
65
and
I
I
did
mention
65.
G
five
decibels
when
you,
when
two
people
are
having
a
normal
conversation
at
about
three
feet,
that's
65
decibels!
So
that's
something
you
know,
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind,
but
what
I'd
used
was
75
decibels.
I
double
I
doubled
that
and
maybe
maybe
it
got
skipped
into
report,
but
it's
it's
I
use
75,
because
I
figured
okay,
it's
going
to
be
later
at
night
again.
G
G
So
by
the
time
you
got
to
the
property
line
you
below
the
55
decibels
for
the
daytime
standard
and
what
I
used
for
both
Apartments
was
I
used
a
28
decibel
reduction
number
that
was
measured
at
the
church
at
the
windows.
It'll.
Probably
it's
modern.
Both
of
them
are
pretty
modern
construction,
and
so
I
would
expect
that
the
the
reduction
to
be
higher
than
that,
but
if
I
take
55
decibels
at
that
property
line
and
then
I
move
it
a
little
further
to
get
to
the
apartment
building.
C
G
And
that
gets
me
down
that
gets
me
down
like
okay,
so
I'm
at
55
I
know
it's
hard
to
follow.
You
know
just
in
the
air
if
it's
55
decibels
of
the
property
line
and
not
even
accounting
for
the
extra
distance,
but
it's
just
taking
28
decibels
off
of
that
now.
I'm
down
to
30
decibels
and
30
decibels
is
a
Whisper.
G
Say
you
know
at
the
building
you
know
outside
it's
got
to
be
blown,
but
yours
says
plainly
audible,
Insight
now
audibility
generally
like
something
you
can
hear.
If
you
have
good
hearing,
if
you're
young
generally
we'll
go
down
to
about
20
decibels,
so
you
can
hear
something
but
whether
it's
plainly
audible
or
not
is
another
story.
The.
B
Question
though,
then
again
it's
it's,
it
has
to
do
with
and
I'm
tracking,
from
The
Source
across
the
property
through
whatever's
on
the
property.
It's
going
to
start
to
diminish
at
the
property
line,
you're,
not
accounting
for
the
space
between
the
property
line
and
the
unit
which
could
add
something.
But
then
a
unit,
The,
Sound,
Reduction,
attributable
to
the
construction.
G
B
G
C
Right
but
I
would
I
mean
I,
might
question
that
interpretation
of
this
plainly
audible
mean
you
can
hear
conversation,
but
you
can't
understand
it.
I
would
say
that
it's
a
nuisance,
if
you
can
hear
it
potentially
and
so
I
wouldn't
I,
don't
know
that
would
be
an
interesting.
So
you
got
the
Webster's.
Plainly,
that's
good.
We
can
do
that
for
the
next
three
months.
G
G
A
little
further
on,
so
that's
that's
dealing
with
the
the
audibility
of
the
deck
of
voices
of
the
deck.
What
I
did
for
voices
going
to
the
parking
lot
was
the
collection
area,
the
the
the
the
the
pickup
and
drop-off
area
is
supposed
to
be
in
that
sort
of
Crux
of
the
church,
where
the
new
door
will
be
so
you'll
have
a
new
door
there.
People
people
will
either
come
out
the
front
or
out
the
back
and
then
they'll
meet
their
ride
there,
or
they
will
go
to
the
parking
lot.
B
G
G
B
G
When
you
get
to
that
actual
structure,
the
parsonage
and
then
the
extension,
that's
going
backwards
to
the
West
for
the
hotel
will
actually
be
a
mitigating
feature.
I
didn't
really
account
for
that,
because
if
you
go,
you
know
if
you're
in
that
parking
lot,
it's
not
until
you
get
over
towards
that
Northern
property
line
that
your
direct
line
of
sight
once
once
that
extends
right.
Now
you
are,
you
know
you
can
stay
in
the
middle
of
that
you
look
over
because
the
parsonage
is
shorter,
east
to
west.
That's
going
to
increase
substantially.
G
G
It
can't
be
a
gap
fence
and
there's
about
a
two
foot,
Topo
rise
when
you
get
over
there,
particularly
when
the
road
is
going
to
be
cut
in
it's
a
little
elevated
from
what
it's
going
to
be
right
now,
so
the
road's
going
to
be
cut
in
it's.
The
land
is
going
to
rise,
a
couple
of
feet
and
then
you'll
get
to
the
property
line
of
the
apartment
building,
and
so
this
fence
will
be
two
feet
of
Topo
rise
and
then
six
feet
of
fence.
G
And
again
it's
got
to
be
solid,
and
that
gives
you
a
about
an
11
decibel
reduction.
10.8
is
what
the
calculations
come
up
with
so
say,
10.
and
that
will
get
you
to
the
daytime
standard
by
the
time
for
sure.
By
the
time
you
take
those
voices
and
you
you
transmit
them
across
the
balance
of
the
parking
lot
and
then
you
get
to
that
fence
and
somebody
standing
at
or
near
the
property
line
would
experience
that
reduction.
Now,
it's
different
for
the
apartments
again,
because
the
apartments
are
above
line
of
sight
of
the
fence.
G
So
now,
if,
if
you
look
in
the
report
and
again
this
might
have
been
misunderstood,
the
fence
is
not
additive
to
the
building.
In
that
case,
because
the
fences
down
here
and
here's
your
property
line
and
then
there's
I,
think
40
feet
to
the
building
to
the
building
wall,
and
so
those
those
apartments
are
40
feet
further
back.
But
that's
where
the
the
wall
loss
will
come
in
the
28
decibels
and
again
you
know:
I
was
getting
in
the
30s
in
terms
of
decibels,
probably
in
the
low
30s
30
to
35.
G
G
If
you
go,
if
you,
if
you're
doing
noise
work
for
the
D.O.T
New
York
State
DOT,
it's
it's
actually
an
fhwa
standard,
but
they
accept.
It
is
67
decibels
in
the
front
yard
of
a
residential
area.
So
it's
it's
considerably
higher
than
the
city's
standard
and
it
takes
into
account
that
you're
going
to
have.
You
know
you're
having
traffic.
G
So
you
already
have
you
know
on
that
side
of
the
property
you're
running
60
decibels
between
10
and
11
o'clock
at
night.
So
you
have.
You
know
my
feeling
was
by
this
when
they
get
to
that
sidewalk
and
they,
when
the
cars
get
out
onto
that
road
or
if
an
Uber
comes
up
and
picks
up.
It's
part
of
the
traffic
of
9d,
you
sort
of
transition
from
the
site
itself
to
route
90..
G
B
Everything
you're
sharing
with
us
now
is
helpful,
but
in
somewhat
in
response
to
our
traffic,
the
city's
excuse
me
the
city's
acoustic
Consultants
review
of
your
initial
analysis,
so
you're
providing
and
that's
why
I'm
sitting
here
wondering
whether
he
can
hear
us
yet
he
can't
so
you're
providing
some
update
to
what
you've
reviewed
of
his
his
review.
Yeah.
G
Again,
I
I
had
I
got
it
yesterday
afternoon,
I've
had
a
chance
to
review
it
lightly.
You
know,
in
other
words,
I
haven't
noise.
You
got
to
sit
down,
you
got
to
do.
Calculations,
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
sit
down
and
calculate
things
and
go
specifically
Point
by
point
so
I'm
trying
to
incorporate
some
of
that.
You
know
to
say
yeah.
You
know
I'd
like
to
be
responsive
to
that
comment
because
I,
you
know
it
makes
sense
people
coming
right
out
of
the
front
of
the
venue.
Let's,
let's
run
that
and
see
what
happens.
B
So
so,
to
some
degree,
just
procedurally,
our
Christian
consultant
is
with
us
he's
on
the
phone.
He
can't
hear
us
couldn't
hear
anything.
You
just
said
in
response
to
his
review
of
your
report,
so
I,
don't
necessarily
want
to
ask
him
to
share
his
review
of
your
report,
because
it's
now
somewhat
old
relative
to
your
current
notes
here
tonight,
so
I'm,
confident
that
you're
going
to
respond
to
his
review.
B
Yes,
and
so
that's
how
you'll
have
that
communication
I
would
have
rather
have
had
the
benefit
of
our
acoustic
consultant
share
his
observations,
but
again
he's
gonna.
He's
gonna
share
with
you,
because
he
couldn't
hear
us.
Yes,
things
that
you've
already
responded
to
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
necessarily
have
him
go
through.
All
of
that,
so.
H
B
B
B
D
I
G
G
C
G
T
G
B
H
G
Car
it
can,
it
goes
higher.
As
you
multiply
the
cars
you
know,
trucks
will
be
up
in
the
70s.
Okay
truck.
You
know
a
good
way
to
to
look
at
it.
Is
you
know
you
can
you
can
cars
passing
by?
You
can
have
a
normal
conversation.
You
know
assuming
they're
not
doing
80
miles
an
hour
assuming
they're
doing
30
miles
an
hour
on.
You
know
Wolcott,
but
if
a
truck
goes
by
at
30
miles
an
hour,
it's
going
to
interfere
with
your
conversation.
G
So
now
that
truck's
up
in
the
70s,
you
know
10
decibels
higher.
You
know
and
interfering
with
your
65
decibel
normal
conversation,
whereas
the
cars
are
down
here,
going
and
again,
assuming
not
a
lot
of
cars
and
they're
not
going
really
fast,
you
can
talk
while
the
cars
are
going
by
and
understand
one
another
yeah.
G
G
But
again
the
source
is
down
lower
too
so
that
that
whole
notion
of
offense
on
the
Northern
property
line.
For
that
Northern
thing
works
nicely
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
any
Canyon
effect
here,
because
what
we're
going
for
on
that
fence
is
got
to
be
solid
and
it
can't
be
planed
wood.
It's
got
to
be
rough
or
roughened
in
some
sense
and
then.
G
U
A
couple
of
clarifications,
the
the
exit
Drive,
is
right
on
the
property
line.
There's
no
two
foot:
it
might
be
two
feet
now,
but
in
the
plans
the
driveway
is
right
up
to
the
edge.
So
you
won't
get
the
differential
on
the
fence
unless
it's
on
a
retaining
wall
and
the
West
End
loft
is
25
feet
from
the
property
line
that
40.
G
Okay,
well,
I
hadn't
measured
it
so
you
know
so
it's
25
feet,
but
also
yeah
I
mean
it
is
I
think
when
you
get
to
that
little
grade
area.
It's
when
my
my
experience
and
I'm,
not
a
road
engineer,
but
I've
seen
it
often
enough
you're
going
to
wind
up
with
a
bump
there.
You
know,
maybe
maybe
a
small,
retaining
wall
because
of
the
fact
that
it's
right
on
the
property
line,
because
there
is
a
rise.
B
U
U
U
M
B
M
C
I
have
one
question
and
that
is
I.
Think
when
you
were
giving
the
intro
presentation,
you
said
that
there's
been
a
decision
made
not
to
have
any
events
on
Mondays,
Tuesdays
or
Wednesdays
correct,
and
that's
includes
no
daytime
events
correct
and
why
I'm
just
kind
of
curious?
Why
would
you
do
that?
Because
if
there's
a
conference
center
use
what
if
somebody
wants
to
have
a
professional
conference-
and
it's
just
a
daytime
only
like
eight
to
five,
why
would
you
sacrifice
some
of
your
business
viability
and
the
ability
to
make
a
profit
and
support
the.
M
We're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
managing
the
expectations
the
neighbors
have
expressed
concerns
about
having
events
every
day.
So
even
whether
that's
a
nine
to
you
know
two
or
ten
to
four
those
are
still
events.
Those
are
still
people
coming
to
the
property,
so
we've
reduced
the
to
to
try
and
mitigate
against
potential
Community
character,
impacts
or.
C
Special
privacy
I
understand
what
you're,
offering
and
I
guess.
I
I
appreciate
the
efforts
made
to
to
satisfy
public
concerns,
but
it
seems
like
some
of
the
the
proposed
mitigations
are
at
times
of
the
day.
Then
you
know
it's
like
it
just
seems
like
you're
cutting
off
your
nose.
Despite
your
face
and
I,
don't
quite
understand
it
so.
I
W
M
M
G
M
B
M
M
B
B
D
B
C
I
M
M
Right
so
this
is
again
gets
into
the
subjective,
we're
trying
to
be
as
responsive
as
we
can
to
the
concerns
there
was
concerns
about
when
Vehicles
were
coming
to
on.
You
know,
offload
band
equipment
or
otherwise,
so
we've
reduced
the
ability
for
them
to
do
that
after
certain
hours,
and
now
we
further
restricted
the
concerns
of
the
amount
you
know
putting
a
group
of
people
together
and
leaving
those
events.
Those
were
the
biggest
concerns,
as
the
board
continue
to
express
about,
leaving
and
the
patrons
leaving.
So
that's
what
that
was
intended
to
do.
I.
H
E
M
D
B
G
Not
a
studio
guy,
but
there
are
acoustic
limits
that
you
can
put
on
on
the
sound
in
terms
of
what
what
the
output
will
be
in
terms
of
power.
It's
basically,
if
you
limit
the
power
that
that's,
why
you
determine
your
decibels
and
again
I'm
not
in
the
I'm,
not
a
studio
person,
so
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
what
that
is,
but
those
that
exists.
The
other
thing
too,
that
you
find
too
is
particularly
if
I
mean
it's
not
a
rock
concert.
G
People
want
to
talk,
you
know,
and
you
want
to
have
conversations,
and
so,
when
the
music
gets
up
that
High,
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
That's
the
limitation
just
naturally
in
the
event,
because
you
know
nobody
can
talk
and
you
can't
Converse
so
so,
there's
a
there's
sort
of
a
limiting
factor
there,
but
you
can
also
put
in
a
hard
stop.
You
know
in
in
the
in
the
sound
software
itself.
Well,.
G
C
G
D
D
M
A
concert
venue
period,
we
are
a
event
space
with
we're
focused
on
not-for-profit
and
other
inclusionary.
You
know
performances
in
the
space
the
conference
center.
That's
what
we're
proposing
these
events
can
and
will
happen,
but
we
are
heavily
restricting
the
number,
the
capacity
and
the
operations
and
how
to
get
people
in
and
out.
So
we
understand
that
these
are
the
focus,
and
these
are
the
potentials
that
could
have
an
impact,
but
we
are
mitigating
those
through
all
what
we're
proposing.
So
it's
not
365,
it's
not
until
11
pm.
M
It's
not
500
people,
we've
managed,
we've
created
plans
to
get
people
in
and
out,
and
we've
reduced
the
total
number
that
can
be
there
and
how
to
get
them
in
and
out
of
the
space
and
what
and
what
these
types
of
performances
can
be
and
how
loud
they
can
be
so
inside
and
outside.
We've
really
done
a
number
to
try
and
put
ourselves
in
that
position
to
not
have
an
impact
on
the
neighbors
and
while
repurposing
and
preserving
a
church,
an
historic
church
on
the
site.
B
U
Like
the
letter,
I
point
out
that
this
is
a
special
permitted
use.
It's
not
as
of
right.
There
are
a
list
of
conditions
that
have
to
be
met
before
any
approval
of
a
special
permit
use,
and
one
of
them
requires
that
the
location,
size
and
use
in
nature,
hours
and
intensity
of
the
operations
will
not
conflict
with
the
existing
permitted
uses
on
adjacent
blocks
and
so
I'm,
suggesting
that
potential
hours
are
most
disruptive
in
the
late
evening
and
the
board
would
have
the
ability,
under
the
special
permit
condition
to
restrict
ours.
U
It
also
should
be
noted
that
the
varied
hours,
occupancy
and
number
of
events
will
be
extremely
difficult
for
the
city
to
Monitor
and
enforce
and
I
think
that's
the
problem.
I'm,
seeing
you
going
through
all
these
contortions
in
terms
of
parking
lot,
security
and
people
on
the
site.
You
know
monitoring
traffic
and
trying
to
stop
people
from
dropping
off
on
Route,
9d
and
and
having
different
hours
for
different
days.
E
U
That's
my
main
comment:
I
still
have
questions
about
drop
off
and
pickup,
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
how
you're
going
to
enforce
no
parking
on
side
streets
when
the
only
way
to
really
enforce
no
parking
on
side
streets
is
to
get
the
city
to
pass
a
resolution
saying:
there's
no
parking
on
that
side
street.
You
can't
just
put
up
no
event
parking
and
expect
people
to
abide
by
it
or
the
city
to
enforce
it,
because
they
can't
afford
it
without
a
No
Parking
sign
by
the
city.
So.
X
M
B
Making
an
observation
about
a
resource
I'm,
not
talking
about
the
letter
of
the
law
and
at
the
same
time
it
said
you
know,
a
situation
that
could,
as
John
mentioned
in
gender,
on
street
parking,
no
matter
how
many
times
you
say,
don't
park
on
the
street,
it
still
could
happen
and
become
an
issue
that
the
city
then
has
to
deal
with.
That's
my
only
Point.
These
are
the
real
world
things
that
happen,
as
opposed
to
the
thing
that
things
that
happen
on
paper.
So.
U
I
think
the
last
point
is
just
reaction
to
what
they
said
they
you
know,
you
stressed
that
it's
not
a
concert
center,
it's
a
conference
event
space,
but
what
we
see
is
you're
going
to
pains
to
make
late
evening
hour
or
evening
hour
events
possible
and
restricting
or
limiting
daytime
events
when
conferences
would
be
more
likely
to
be
held.
So
it
just
seems
like
you're
saying
it's,
not
a
conference
center,
but
your
hours
and
operations
are
all
designed
about
mitigating
a
concert.
M
Well,
that's
responsive
to
the
board
and
the
Public's
concerns.
We
have
no
objection
or
I.
Don't
think
we
would
we're
self-imposing
limits
beyond
what
would
be
the
applicants
and
the
owners
desire,
but
we're
doing
that
so
that
there's
no
the
Quant.
The
comments
that
came
up
were
the
worst
case
scenarios.
Always
no,
we
haven't
been
talking
about
what
is
actually
expected
to
take
place,
the
conferences
and
otherwise,
in
the
space
more
with
more
regularity.
So
we
we're
not
trying
to
go
backwards.
We're.
B
M
It
does
it
takes
away
the
night
time,
but
it
takes
away
the
night
time
and
it
takes
away
the
daytime
it
takes
away.
Both
it
takes.
You
know
it.
It's
an
accessory
to
the
hotel.
The
hotel
is
going
to
be
open,
365.,
it's
an
accessory
space,
we're
trying
to
be
responsive.
It's
it's!
It's
somewhat
unfair
to
say
that
the
applicant
has
taken
days
completely
off
the
table
again
to
try
and
address
comments
from
the
board
in
the
public.
M
C
M
M
You
know
we
tried
to
do
it
by
how
many
events
what
types
of
events
number
of
people
so
we're
we're
trying
to
be
responsive,
but
it
would
be
helpful
to
get
feedback
from
the
board
about
what
specific
hours
that
we
should
limit
it
to
and
if
there
are
any
other
comments
that
we
can
incorporate,
because
if
that's
the
case,
the
applicants
here
we've
been
listening
to,
we
want
to
make
this
work.
We
want
to
preserve
this
church.
M
B
B
As
well,
oh
gosh
I'm
not
going
to
get
this
right:
peaches,
Zach
last
name:
loroko
green
Jaffe,
the
River
Ridge
board,
comito
College
Joyce
wall,
Another,
River,
Ridge,
River,
Ridge,
one
noejo,
Herring,
waste
Hammond,
Plaza
I'm,
assuming
these
River
Ridge
and
Hammond
Plaza
are
multiple
individuals.
Again.
B
Simmons
bloom,
rrv,
Hammond,
bumal,
stenard,
Bloom,
Romano,
rivkund
or
Rifkin.
Excuse
me,
samaj
I'm,
not
necessarily
sure
I'm
pronouncing
that
right.
Forgive
me
if
I
didn't
Thai,
Dewey
and
Brooks
and
with
that
will
go
to
anyone
else
here
tonight
with
us
who
would
like
to
add
their
voice
to
the
public
comment.
D
F
Craft
Beacon
a
year
and
a
half
later
and
concerned
residents
are
still
opposed
to
this
project.
The
revised
proposal
brings
discuss
being
discussed
tonight
should
focus
only
on
the
actual
event,
attendees
numbers
on
the
table
in
tonight's
packet
and
not
be
distorted
by
citing
past
numbers
that
do
not
meet
a
positive
note
only
to
make
tonight's
numbers
look
acceptable.
Nor
should
we
care
what
music
and
noise
level
is
being
played
at
another
venue
in
another
County
across
the
river.
No
less
a
big
question
is
who
is
going
to
manage
the
management?
F
Please
consider
the
strong
points
addressed
in
the
current
sound
report
by
professionals
at
face
value
hired.
The
hired
Vehicles
will
not
adhere
to
the
official
drop-off
location,
choosing
instead
the
curb
on
Mocha
Avenue,
where
the
patrons
will
wait
at
their
convenience.
Please
not
do
not
disperse
and
people
do
not
disperse
in
an
orderly
and
efficient
manner
once
maybe
never.
F
It
would
be
reasonable
to
evaluate
the
sound
levels
from
10
patrons
discussions
occurring
on
Wolcott
Avenue
sidewalk,
as
received
across
Walcott
Avenue
at
the
Academy
Street
residence
multiplied
tenfold.
This
is
not
a
one-off
event.
The
sound
of
patrons
walking
on
the
proposed
pedestrian
path
through
the
cemetery,
as
close
as
70
feet
from
the
westernmost
unit
of
River
Ridge,
has
not
been
evaluated.
F
Also,
you
need
to
be
reminded
that
clearing
out
an
old,
underbrush
and
Fallen
trees
is
not
preservation
of
a
historic
graveyard.
That
alone
is
a
major
undertaking.
It
is
sound.
It
is
sound.
Engineers
experience
that
people
leaving
a
venue
with
elevated
sound
levels
often
speak
in
elevated
levels,
including
laughing.
The
report
States
in
a
single
van
will
produce
65
decibel
sound.
This
level
assumes
only
one
vehicle
traversing,
the
driveway
at
a
time
which
is
unlikely
at
the
end
of
any
event.
F
Ultimately,
if
complaints
Arise
at
night,
an
enforcement
investigator
inside
a
dwelling
will
make
the
final
Regulatory
Compliance
determined
evaluating
whether
the
source
is
plainly
Audible.
That's
like
catching
someone
making
a
U-turn
on
Main
Street,
they're,
they've
they're
got
to
be
caught
in
the
act.
Everyone
watches
them.
Do
it
except
a
qualified
official
that
can
issue
the
ticket
red-handed.
F
Allowing
this
developer's
team
forward
with
their
plans
is
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
There
will
be
no
way
to
revert
and
correct
the
issues
once
they
open
the
floodgates,
don't
send
them
back
to
the
drawing
board.
This
is
the
wrong
Venue
at
the
prime
location.
Please
do
not
Grant
any
special
permit
approval
for
this
project.
Thank
you.
Z
Z
Z
Z
You
get
three
minutes
and
20
seconds.
What
are
we
doing?
Five
minutes
or
three
two
and
three
please,
okay,
thank
you.
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
conclude
to
say
that
the
state
regulations
would
not
permit
it
and
likely
these
people
will
probably
follow
in
formal,
a
lawsuit
and
throw
together,
100
a
piece
and
and
start
all
over
again.
Thank.
H
AA
My
name
is
Maggie
Fay
I'm
here
to
read
behalf
of
Gina
samaj,
the
founder
and
director
of
compass
Arts.
She
wasn't
able
to
attend
tonight's
meeting
dear
members
of
the
planning
board,
I've
written
to
you
prior
in
support
of
the
prophecy
Hall
project
that
is
planned
for
1113
Walcott
Ave,
as
the
Director
of
an
Arts
nonprofit
having
a
proper
facility
through
for
theatrical
and
choral
Productions
is
a
huge
concern
for
our
student,
ensembles
and
prophecy.
Hall
would
be
a
vital
resource
for
us
and
the
Greater
Community.
AA
W
There
were
a
lot
of
factors
that
influenced
our
decision
to
sit
down
roots
and
Beacon
access
to
Nature,
lovely
Main,
Street
and
a
warm
and
welcoming
community,
but
one
of
the
biggest
was
culture
from
community-run
art
galleries
to
DIA
Beacon
from
the
Howland
Center
to
open
mic
nights
at
Dogwood,
Beacon
punches
way
above
its
weight.
When
it
comes
to
arts
and
culture.
W
We
recognize
that
our
Arts
institutions
aren't
just
amenities.
They
are
Central
to
our
spirit
and
way
of
life,
and
so,
when
I
first
heard
about
the
church
conversion
project
last
year,
I
was
excited.
It
just
seemed
so
obvious.
A
homegrown
Arts
Institution
right
down
the
street
from
my
house
on
rombout
that
would
create
jobs,
juice,
the
local
economy
designed
by
beaconites
for
us
locals
to
enjoy,
what's
not
to
like.
W
Since
then
I've
learned
that
there
is
a
small
but
vocal
minority
who
are
worried
about
this
project.
I
truly
think
they
mean
well.
After
all,
changes
is
a
little
scary.
Then
again,
what
might
Beacon
look
like
if
we
hadn't
welcomed
other
Arts
and
Cultural
institutions
to
town
like
many
locals,
I
love
talking
with
my
neighbors
about
City
stuff,
restaurant
openings
bear
sightings
on
Mount
Beacon
traffic,
a
90.,
that's
one
of
the
fun
things
about
living
here.
W
It's
through
talking
with
those
neighbors
over
coffee
at
tracks
or
beer
at
Max's.
That
I've
discovered
that
nearly
all
of
us
are
excited
about
this
project.
It's
our
responsibility
to
Champion
projects
that
align
with
our
values,
to
support
small
businesses
and
to
enrich
our
town
for
our
children
to
enjoy.
That's.
Why
I'm
proud
to
support
the
church
conversion
project
on
Walcott
Avenue?
AB
The
last
time
I
was
here,
it
was
discussed
about
the
modeling
for
cars
entering
and
leaving,
and
I
questioned
four
people
arriving
in
the
car.
At
the
time.
I
compliment
you
on
the
noise
consultantly
consultancy
group
that
you
had
do
this
very
clear,
concise,
understandable
report,
I,
don't
know
if
you're
I
don't
know
Jill.
Are
you
aware
of
this?
Okay,
okay,
whereas
the
gentleman
I'm
appears
to
be
very
knowledgeable
42
years?
AB
You
know
that's
a
lot
of
years
of
knowledge,
however,
if
it
could
be
placed
in
a
format
similar
to
this,
where
you
can
follow
it,
it
would
be
great.
The
other
thing
is
that
at
Hammond,
Plaza
we've
dealt
with
a
lot.
We,
some
of
you,
have
been
on
board
for
years.
You
know
a
few
years
and
some
of
you,
if
you
ask
past
members,
you'll
know
that
people
from
Hammond
Plaza
have
been
here,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
based
on
quality
of
life.
AB
Quality
of
life
is
not
only
when
the
construction
is
occurring.
It's
all
of
the
modeling
that
goes
into
the
construction
and
the
due
diligence
that
we
rely
on
you
all
to
be
our
Advocates
we're
our
Advocates
when
we're
in
front
of
the
microphone
or
writing
you
a
letter,
but
we
deal
with
the
effects
of
your
decisions
for
over
seven
years,
we've
dealt
with
construction
at
Hammond
Plaza
in
three
directions.
AB
Years
before
that
we
dealt
with
the
MTA
I,
don't
know
if
you
remember
Tod
Transit,
oriented
development.
We
can
hear
the
building
from
Edgewater
currently
so
on.
Three
sides
of
us
for
multiple
deers.
Almost
a
decade,
We
have
dealt
with
noise,
we've
dealt
with
construction,
but
the
ultimate
into
that
wasn't
a
dynamic
situation
of
a
venue.
AB
It
was
the
potential
of
having
new,
neighbors
and
hoping
that
the
developers
and
those
involved
would
be
good
corporate
entities
and
at
least
hear
us
out
without
judgment
and
thinking
that
we
were
just
whining
and
complaining.
We
have
owners
in
our
development
from
their
20s,
expecting
children
to
Lord
willing
in
April.
One
of
our
owners
will
be
101
years
old,
so
I'm
here
speaking
from
my
resident
but
I'm
saying
with
the
people
at
Hammond,
Plaza
have
experienced
one
good
thing
that
I
will
say
that
came
out
of
this
and
I'm
sure
there
are
more.
AB
The
people
that
lived
at
River
Ridge-
we
were
you,
know,
prayerful
that
we
would
all
get
along
and
good
neighbors,
and
now
that
you
have
the
stair
walks
up
from
Ferry
Street
and
a
new
development
on
Ferry
Street.
You
didn't
see
us
here
complaining
about
that
development.
Just
because
most
of
us
were
tired
and
coveted
was
going
up.
AB
AB
Just
being
able
to
have
a
cookout
in
your
backyard
without
someone
coming
early
for
a
venue
strumming
through
the
back
now,
this
is
before
this
development
even
got
there.
We've
had
that
occurred
again.
I
mentioned
people
relieving
themselves
because
there's
not
a
station.
You
know
a
rest
area
in
between
the
train
station
and
Main,
Street
and
I
know.
AB
I
need
to
wrap
this
up,
but
I
just
want
you
to
see
that
it's
it's
more
than
whining
it's
quality
of
life
and,
as
you
reference
the
reference,
the
law
office
I'm,
not
sure
if
they
are
renters
or
owners
that
pay
taxes
as
far
as
individuals
but
I'm
speaking
as
a
taxpayer,
a
beaconite
doesn't
matter
if
I'm,
a
new
or
old
beaconite
I'm,
a
beaconite
and
I
appreciate
the
time
that
you
all
put
in
I
believe
you're
spread
a
little
thin,
but
that's
just
my
opinion.
I
appreciate
it
and
thank
you
for
listening.
P
P
Bloom
I'm,
a
resident
of
the
view
down
the
hill,
which
wasn't
really
addressed
too
much
by
the
sound
consultant
tonight,
but
my
main
takeaway
is
that
we
should
keep
our
windows
closed
at
all
times,
even
in
the
summer,
rhetorical
question
I'm
not
asking
that
of
you,
but
once
the
crowd,
180
people
leave
the
venue
and
they
hit
the
sidewalk
on
9d.
Does
that
mean
prophecy?
P
Theater
is
no
longer
responsible
for
them,
I'm,
not
sure
if
I
heard
that
correctly
or
interpreted
it
again
at
this
late
date,
16
months
later,
what
is
it
concert?
Is
it
a
wedding
venue?
Is
it
a
conference
center
and,
as
you
guys
pointed
out,
if
it's
a
conference
center,
why
not
have
it
open
Monday,
Tuesday
and
Wednesday
daytime
I?
Think
the
reason
is
because
it's
really
not
going
to
be
a
concert,
a
conference
center
and,
lastly,
most
importantly,
who's
funding.
P
H
AC
AC
AC
What
would
you
do
if
this
damn
thing
was
in
front
of
your
house?
How
would
you
deal
with
the
noise?
How
would
you
deal
with
the
people
walking
up
and
down
your
street
at
9
10
11
o'clock
at
night?
Not
just
one
or
two
people?
You
know
a
community
of
people
walking
up
and
down
there
groups
of
people
all
chatting
and
getting
together
and
drinking.
It's
that's.
AD
AE
I
moved
to
Beacon
with
my
family,
because,
as
mentioned
before,
the
idea
of
culture
and
art,
this
town
does
punch
above
its
weight
and
that's
why
I
came
here
and
the
idea
of
having
another
space
that
can
be
open
to
have
cultural
events
for
the
community.
We
have
Dia,
you
have
the
Dogwood,
which
is
a
kind
of
a
cultural
space
of
its
own.
You
know
you
have
the
town
choir
and
then
have
another
space
like
that.
It
is
a
residential,
but
we
are
in
a
little
bit
more
of
an
active
area
of
our
residence.
AE
AE
We
can
somehow
have
our
student
rock
bands
from
all
over
some
place
where
a
community
to
do
things
openly,
it's
going
to
be
converted
into
condos,
and
only
those
that
can
afford
them
and
only
a
certain
class
people
will
be
able
to
appreciate
it,
and
we
don't
have
access
to
that
anymore
and
that's
what
I
don't
want
to
see
happen.
I
would
like
to
see
this
space
where
the
communicating
discuss
it
and
it
seems
like
there's
ownership
and
investors
that
are
listening
to
the
community
and
want
to
make
the
concessions.
X
X
Can
there
be
multiple,
multiple
events
in
any
given
day?
Can
there
be
four
events
in
any
given
day,
if
you
add
all
that
up
180
maximum
capacity
times
four
times
three
for
Friday,
Saturday
and
Sunday?
That
adds
up
to
a
lot
of
people
in
any
given
weekend
and
it's
not
very
clear
from
the
management
plan
what
they
mean
by
event
or
how
many
events
they
can
have
in
one
day
the
newest
iteration
does
not
solve
the
parking
and
traffic
issues.
Yes,
there
they
have
the
1964
parking
exemption,
but
the
cars
still
exist.
X
The
exemption
doesn't
make
the
cars
disappear,
the
cars
have
to
go
somewhere
and
yes,
the
safety
and
noise
issues
will
still
exist.
For
these
reasons,
the
nearby
neighbors
to
the
Dutch
Reformed
Church
are
all
the
more
determined
to
protect
dark,
quiet,
residential
neighborhood,
and
it
is
a
quiet,
residential
neighborhood
for
the
17th
time
or
for
the
117th
time
we'll
be
here
to
make
sure
that
it
fits
into
our
community
thanks
for
your
time,.
AF
Time
two
points:
I
wanted
to
touch
on
two
things
that
were
said
tonight.
One
was
the
idea
of
the
attenuation
of
the
noise
from
the
venue
to
the
different
housing
areas
and
I'm
talking
about
Hammond
Plaza
in
particular,
and
the
Assumption
was
made
that
these
were
modern
buildings
and
I.
Think
if
you've
seen
Hammond
Plaza,
you
know
it's
not
a
modern
complex
and
to
assume
that
there's
28
DB
attenuation
on
those
walls
is
probably
a
really
bad
assumption.
But
more
to
the
point,
I
sat
through
the
beginning
part
of
the
beginning
of
the
work
session.
AF
E
AF
We
would
be
using
air
conditioning,
we
wouldn't
open
our
Windows,
which
seems
totally
counter
to
the
goal
of
having
energy
conservation
or
looking
out
for
the
environment.
You'd
want
to
have.
If
you
have
nice
weather,
you
open
the
windows,
but
if
you
can't
open
your
windows
because,
as
we
said
over
here,
we
have
to
keep
our
Windows
shut
because,
even
though
it's
good
weather,
there's
noise
coming
out,
I
think
that
kind
of
is
counterproductive.
So
I
heard
somewhere
I
think
that
well,
the
law
is
the
wind.
AF
E
AF
AF
It's
called
temporary
threshold
shift
when
people
go
to
concerts
or
loud
events,
they
usually
experience
temporary
threshold
shifts,
which
can
last
from
a
very
short
amount
of
time.
Typically
at
least
a
half
an
hour,
usually
a
little
longer.
If
they
do
this
frequently
or
you
know,
people
who
work
you
know
who
play
music
for
a
career
sometimes
becomes
permanent,
and
that
can
be
like
a
noise-induced
hearing
loss.
AF
The
idea
being
people
who
come
from
a
venue
where
music
has
been
playing
loud
are
going
to
speak
louder.
Okay,
it
people
coming
from
a
venue
do
speak
louder.
If
there's
two
people
speaking
a
couple
of
feet
apart
from
each
other,
they
will
speak
a
normal
conversational
level
if
they
are.
If
there
are
more
people
there,
they
will
speak
louder.
AF
I
think
that
it
was
used
well,
yeah,
there's
I,
think
the
noise
actors
said
if
there
were
like
six
I,
don't
think,
there's
probably
going
to
be
a
group
of
just
six
I
think
it
might
be
more
than
that
and
it
does
increase
with
the
num,
a
bigger
increase
of
people.
So
that's
something
that
just
happens.
It's
well
documented
and
I
have
to
say
thank.
B
AG
AG
I
would
move
for
a
directed
verdict
and
assert
that
the
actions
displayed
by
the
applicant's
conduct
is
lacking
in
good
faith,
specifically,
the
fact
that
we
are
still
in
so
many
different
plan,
iterations
just
shows
he's
not
in
good
faith,
because
by
now
you
would
think
they
would
get
it
right.
And
my
few
comments
are.
AG
What
we
would
like
to
see
is
what
the
applicant
could
do
right
now,
which
is
a
hotel
and
I've
asked
for
a
floor
plan
that
is
to
code
several
times
which
he
does
not
have.
He
still
needs
a
bath,
a
public
restroom
and
a
manager's
office.
I've
also
asked
for
what
is
his
anticipated
room
rate,
because
obviously
he
needs
to
know
what
he's
going
to
make
for
break
even
cost
analysis.
AG
AG
AG
Does
he
need
to
have
those
who,
unfortunately,
passed
I
mean
obviously
many
years
ago,
their
families
relinquished
that
right
to
the
land
and
I
hope
when
he
does
build,
if
well,
I'm
and
I,
don't
know
how
he'll
be
able
to
keep
those
tombstones
safe
with
the
public
pathway
and
I?
Guess,
that's
it
and
I
still
don't
understand
how
you
could
do
a
positive
secret
or
provide
a
special
use.
Thank
you
and
I
think
you
got
a
haircut
Mr
Gunn.
AG
R
My
name
is
Tom
Herring
I
live
in
River,
Ridge
Court,
and
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
just
address
a
couple
of
things
that
were
talked
about
tonight.
Just
some
notes
that
I
made-
and
it
seems
like
the
two
biggest
issues
or
two
of
the
big
issues-
are
noise
and
parking.
Okay,
so
I
had
a
couple
of
thoughts
about
this
I
just
wanted
to
bring
to
the
attention
and
see
how
they
might
be
addressed.
One
is
you
know,
we
talked
about
weddings,
I'm,
still,
not
sure
how
that
is
classified.
R
Is
it
a
rock
concert?
Is
it
not?
Are
they
going
to
happen?
When
can
they
have
them
and
I?
Think
it's
important,
because
we
all
have
our
own
criteria
in
terms
of
what
constitutes
a
great
wedding
could
be
the
speeches,
the
the
best
man,
maybe
the
bride's
father,
but
I-
think
a
lot
of
people
will
say
a
wedding
is
great
because
it
has
great
dancing.
R
If
you
go
to
a
wedding,
there's
a
lot
of
dancing,
it's
good
dancing,
it's
a
great
wedding
more
times
than
not,
and
the
reason
why
I
think
that's
relevant
here
is
because,
if
you're
going
to
have
dancing
at
a
wedding,
it's
not
going
to
be
easy.
Listening,
music,
it's
not
going
to
be
soft
music
and
it's
not
going
to
be
low
volume.
Music,
it's
going
to
be
loud
and
that
kind
of
ties
into
what
was
addressed
before,
but
I
think
it
was
kind
of
glossed
over
and
that
is
we
had
the
sound
consoled
up
here.
R
How
do
you
control
the
decibels?
I
think
the
number
was
95
I'm,
not
sure
it
doesn't
matter,
but
the
point
is:
how
do
you
control
the
decibels?
There
was
something
mentioned
about
a
power
control
there,
where
you
can
control
the
power,
bring
it
down.
But
how
is
that
monitored?
How
is
that?
How
do
you
control
that?
How
do
you
enforce
that
I'm?
Not
really
sure
how
that
can
be
so
I
think
that's
something!
I
would
have
to
be
addressed
again
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
and
then
also
you
know.
R
This
is
a
project
that
is
just
I
think
has
a
lot
of
unintended
consequences,
some
that
we
have
been
able
to
identify
many
that
you
have
been
able
to
identify,
but
I
think
there's
still
going
to
be
more
that
are
going
to
pop
up
it's
a
very
nuanced
proposal
to
say
the
least,
and
that
ties
into
the
parking
you
know
just
one
thing
that
has
not
been
brought
up
is
that
the
parking
which
we
all
agree
is
going
to
be
on
the
streets.
How
does
that
get
enforced
as
a
local
resident?
R
You
know,
I,
don't
want
people
parking
in
front
of
my
house,
necessarily
that
are
coming
to
event
coming
to
an
event
at
the
venue,
in
particular
I'm
referring
to
rombout
Avenue,
which
is
right
across
from
where
the
venue
is
prime
target
for
parking.
People
are
going
to
go
there,
but
if
you
drive
on
rombout,
you
can
see
that
it
gets
very
narrow
very
quickly.
If
there's
cars
parked
on
both
sides
of
that
street,
a
third
car
cannot
get
through
that
street.
Now.
R
How
do
the
residents
feel
about
that?
Having
no
parking
signs
in
front
of
their
houses
where
they
never
had
them
before
or
having
all
these
cars
parking
in
front
of
their
houses
where
they've
never
had
before
so
anyway,
it
does
to
reiterate
what
some
said
before
the
project:
I'm
all
for
culture,
I
love
music,
but
it
does
still
seem
like
a
round
peg
in
a
square
hole.
Thank
you.
R
H
N
We
have
so
many
buildings
around
us
which
has
created
a
lot
of
change
for
our
area
and
traffic,
which
again
traffic
was
not
really
mentioned.
How
we're
going
to
deal
with
that,
but
the
real.
The
real
issues
are
traffic
noise
and
parking.
Those
are
the
three
main
things
that
we
have
to
really
think
about,
because
it's
going
to
have
great
impact
on
our
city
and
as
citizens
of
our
city,
I
am
not
against
a
cultural
center.
I
am
not
against
having
a
restaurant.
N
I
am
not
against
having
conferences
but
to
put
a
venue
where
there's
weddings
when
so
many
people
have
spent
so
much
money
on
housing
in
the
surrounding
areas,
from
The
View
from
what's
the
place
right
up
here,
the
what
yes,
The,
Lofts
and
right
on
90.
I,
can't
believe
that
we
would
even
consider
putting
in
a
venue
where
there's
music
and
and
crowds
it
just
I
can't
believe
it
again.
N
B
H
AH
AH
AH
AH
The
events,
the
lectures
the
medical
conference
lectures,
went
from
8
30
a.m,
to
4
30
pm,
and
then
you
had
free
time
to
explore
the
city
that
would
be
I
mean
I.
I
would
love
that
that
would
be
the
easiest
conference
to
attend
for
me,
but
that's
not
the
hours
that
are
proposed.
These
hours
are
from
7am
and
on
and.
D
AB
AH
Another
neighbor
brought
up
people
using
their
loans,
as
urinals
I
didn't
even
think
about
that.
Until
just
now,
there's
no
actual
physical
separation
between
our
properties,
so
I
haven't
heard
how
one
parking
attendant
and
one
security
person
is
going
to
keep.
You
know:
180
people
plus
the
staff
plus
the
people,
picking
them
up
off
of
my
property,
and
that
was
a
concern.
I
think
one
of
the
board
members
or
one
of
the
members
brought
up
so
who's
going
to
police
lawyering.
AH
H
AI
AI
AJ
AJ
I,
don't
want
to
take
up
your
time
citing
specific
examples,
but
I
believe
it
is
stated
very
clearly
in
your
independent
noise.
Consultants
document
I
still
believe.
There
are
numerous
reasons
why
a
positive
declaration
should
be
made,
but
clearly
this
proposal
violates
section
223-18c
of
the
City
Zoning
code
quote.
AJ
Operations
in
connection
with
any
special
use
will
not
be
more
objectionable
to
nearby
Properties
by
reason
of
noise,
fumes,
vibration
or
other
characteristic
in
article
4
than
would
be
the
operations
of
any
permitted
use
not
requiring
a
special
permit,
unquote
and
special
condition
223-18b1a,
which
requires
that
the
location
and
size
of
the
use
and
nature
of
hours
and
intensity
of
operations
will
not
conflict
with
the
existing
permitted
uses
on
adjacent
blocks.
Thank
you.
E
Good
evening,
can
you
hear
me
it's
Shelly,
Simmons
Bloom
The
View.
First
of
all,
thank
you
to
the
planning
board
for
your
careful
consideration
of
this
proposal.
I'll
keep
it
brief,
but
there
is
a
lot
I'd
like
to
address.
I
will
keep
under
the
three
minutes.
The
complexity
of
the
new
operating
schedule
is
almost
impossible
to
track
and,
as
the
discussion
we
heard
tonight
was
pretty
clear,
it
took
some
sorting
out
to
understand
what
it
was,
but
it
will
force
The
development's
Neighbors,
which
is
ourselves
to
effectively
Monitor
and
police
for
compliance.
E
So
a
quick
recap:
a
limit
of
160
event
days
a
year.
No
events
Monday
through
Wednesday,
Thursday
and
Sunday
will
end
by
nine
o'clock.
Friday
and
Saturday
will
end
by
10
o'clock.
Only
80
days
a
year
can
end
between
9
and
10
pm,
and
only
40
days
a
year
can
end
between
9
and
10
pm.
If
you
have
more
than
130
people,
I
challenge
anybody
to
to
be
able
to
keep
a
track
of
that.
E
If
we're
forced
to
approach
patrons
and
ask
them
to
leave
our
properties
to
keep
the
noise
down
or
move
their
cars
from
our
private
parking
lots,
are
we
going
to
do
that
at
our
own
risk?
This
shouldn't
be
a
burden
upon
the
residents
or
the
beacon,
Police
Department.
The
developer
has
included
a
reduction
in
days
and
hours
of
operation,
but
what
does
that
actually
amount
to
while
he
proposes
eliminating
Mondays
Tuesdays
Wednesdays
from
the
days
of
operation?
We
all
know.
E
This
is
no
real
sacrifice,
because
these
are
the
quietest
days
of
the
week
for
the
beacon,
hospitality
industry.
It's
no
sacrifice
if
the
business
isn't
there
in
the
first
place,
the
adjustment
to
the
hours
of
operation
is
meaningless.
When
many
events
will
still
run
until
10
pm,
with
45
minutes
extra
to
clear
the
property.
E
M
So
I
mean
there's
been
a
lot
of
comments
tonight
and
and
I
think
a
consistent
theme
was
we've
been
with
you
for
for
some
time
and
that's
what
the
secret
process
is
for.
It's
designed
to
consider
potential
impacts
and
to
try
and
work
with
an
applicant
to
help
mitigate
those
that
might
otherwise
not
have
been
identified.
So
the
secret
process
is
working
exactly
as
designed,
and
the
applicant
has
formally
done
a
significant
Alternatives
analysis
to
consider
these
impacts.
M
We
certainly
appreciate
the
comments
and
that's
why
we've
worked
with
our
noise
Consultants
with
our
traffic
consultants
and
all
those
involved
to
try
and
further
reduce
this
project
to
a
size.
There's
a
number
of
comments
about
all
the
construction
that's
taken
place
in
the
city,
including
these
apartment
buildings
that
now
have
surrounded
the
church
that
didn't
exist
when
the
church
was
on
the
site.
There's
a
lot
of
development
takes
place
in
this
area,
we're
adaptively,
reusing
a
church
and
preserving
it.
There's
no
new
construction,
minimal
construction
to
that
facility.
M
We're
removing
a
parsonage
building
the
building
will
be
slightly
larger,
but
the
site
itself
will
effectively
be
developed
like
it
has
been
for
hundreds
of
years
with,
of
course,
differences
about
what
exactly
is
operating
on
the
site,
but
a
lot
of
similarities
as
well,
but
even
reduced
from
what
could
be
and
what
has
taken
place
in
the
church.
Historically.
I
know
the
applicant
wants
to
mention
a
few
things,
but
we
are
here
and
we'd
ask
the
board.
M
If
there
are,
you
know
if,
if
limiting
further
the
hours
to
eight
o'clock
and
nine
o'clock
accordingly
from
our
schedule,
we're
trying
to
put
these
things
into
place
to
help
the
board
have
something
more
than
the
typical
applicant
would.
As
far
as
enforcement
Mr
Clark
has
mentioned
it.
Some
of
the
members
of
the
public
mentioned
it
enforcement.
We
are
creating
a
document
that
goes
well
beyond
any
other
site,
typical
site
plan,
approval
or
special
permit,
even
from
conditions.
M
We've
created
a
management
plan
that
can
be
taken
to
the
inspector
by
anyone
that
helps
enforce
this
situation.
That's
on
the
applicant
to
self
of
course
enforce,
but,
and
the
neighbors
I
imagine
will
be
very
closely
monitoring
it,
so
the
applicant
will
have
to
be
very
Vigilant
over
what's
proposed,
but
what's
proposed
in
the
plans
what's
proposed
in
the
event,
management
and
all
the
traffic
studies
that
are
recorded
included
are
to
make
sure
that
this
site
does
disperse
people
from
the
site.
Again
we
reduce
the
numbers
and
the
total
events
that
we're
having.
M
We
tried
to
reduce
the
number
of
days
and
we're
being
told
how
could
we
take
away
Monday,
Tuesday
and
Wednesday?
You
should
have
those
days
if
I
brought
that
back.
You
know,
then
it
goes
now
they
have
all
these
days.
What
are
you
so
we've
had
that
that
back
and
forth,
because
we're
trying
and
by
removing
these
days
and
doing
the
things
that
we're
doing
it's
trying
to
be
responsive
to
the
Public's
comments.
M
So
if
there
is
a
specific
set
of
criteria
that
the
board
thinks
we
should
try
and
employ
that's
what
we've
been
doing,
our
reductions
have
been
attempting
to
manage
those
comments,
questions
to
make
it
possible
to
use
this
space,
because
this
is
an
existing
church
and
to
do
something
viably
in
this
space
requires
some
level
of
operable
capacity,
and
that
is
ours
and
numbers.
So
we
hope
that
we
can
work
with
the
board
to
get
there,
and
this
Alternatives
analysis
is
doing
just
what
it's
supposed
to
in
the
secret
process.
M
Get
it
to
a
position
where,
hopefully,
the
board
and
the
public
can
support
it,
while
the
not
in
my
backyard
syndrome
will
always
be
be
there.
We're
trying
to
make
it
so
that
this
project,
through
the
special
permit
standards
and
limiting
the
hours
and
number
of
events
and
all
the
above,
makes
it
so
that
it
fits
squarely
within
the
confines
of
the
wall.
So
I
think
Gavin
had
a
quick
statement
and
then
any
questions
we're
pleased
to
address
and.
E
AK
Thanks
Taylor,
sorry
excuse
me,
thank
you
for
this
extending
this
this
long
evening
and
listening
to
everybody,
it's
I
know
it's
a
long
process
and
a
long
night
I,
just
I
just
want
to
read
this
statement
that
I've,
prepared
and
and
also
as
as
Taylor
suggested.
You
know
we
have
the
reasons
why
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
do
Monday,
Tuesday
and
Wednesday.
AK
We're
just
trying
to
you
know
not
abide
by
what
what
are
the
concerns
are
and
reduce
these
days,
and
that's
one
of
the
ways
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
everybody
for
taking
the
time
to
fully
evaluate
our
project,
and
we
had
initially
presented
a
rather
ambitious
plan
for
a
greater
capacity
accessory
event
space
in
order
to
accommodate
a
limited
number
of
events
per
year
capable
of
Hosting
up
to
500
guests.
AK
The
idea
behind
these
occasional
larger
events
was
that
they
could
be
used
as
a
funding
mechanism
to
support
smaller
community-based
Arts
initiatives.
We
were
excited
about
the
potential
to
host
some
bigger
events.
The
community
and
press
rallied
around
this
aspect
of
the
plan,
while
also
highlighting
a
few
concerns.
Some
assumed
that
the
intent
here
was
to
create
a
large
concert
venue.
AK
This
idea
was
picked
up
by
the
media,
the
community
social
media
and
seemingly
has
controlled
the
narrative
surrounding
our
proposed
event
space.
Needless
to
say,
we
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
here
talking
about
these
large
capacity
events
and
introducing
mitigation
strategies
to
accommodate
in
an
effort
to
address
the
concerns
of
our
neighbors.
We
have
now
eliminated
the
potential
for
these
larger
events.
We
have
since
reduced
our
maximum
capacity
of
the
church
building
to
180,
while
permitting
only
40
weekend
days
per
year.
That
capacity
can
exceed
130
and
end
end
by
10
pm.
AK
As
an
additional
measure.
We
are
prohibiting
Rock
and
DJ
concerts
from
occurring
after
9
pm.
As
these
types
of
events
were
never
our
objective,
it's
not
really
an
issue
to
to
eliminate
these
Rock
and
DJ
concerts.
So
the
majority
of
all
the
events
we
have
anticipated
will
average
about
100
to
130
guests
and
with
a
significant
portion
of
those
attendees
accommodated
by
and
staying
at
the
hotel.
AK
Our
application
is
for
a
hotel
with
an
accessory
conference
center
and
event
space,
and
the
existing
Church
facility
will
be
used
for
business
meetings,
cultural,
educational
or
professional
programs,
conferences,
Retreats
and
seminars,
and
it
will
also
have
accommodations
for
eating.
The
church.
Sanctuary
will
support
a
wide
range
of
events.
I
I
know
it's
been
unclear
as
to
what
these
events
are
going
to
be,
but
this
is
this
is
the
nature
of
having
this
event
space
Conference
Center
it.
AK
AK
So
the
the
main
objective
of
the
event
space
is
not
that
of
a
music
venue,
but
to
support
a
variety
of
arts
and
education
related
conferences
with
programs
and
Retreats.
The
city
of
Beacon
takes
pride
in
its
forward-thinking
politics
and
support
for
innovative
ideas.
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
our
end
goal
is
to
bring
sustainable
development
that
benefits
our
city
and
its
Commerce,
while
preserving
or
improving
the
quality
of
lives
of
our
residents.
We
recognize
art
and
culture
as
an
integral
as
integral
to
our
local
economy
and
Recreation.
AK
Many
of
us
who
live
here
are
part
of
a
larger
community
of
professionals
who
work
in
Creative
fields
or
with
art
and
educational
institutions.
I
myself
is
one
I'm
one
of
those
professionals
that
are
in
that
field.
Our
mission,
above
all
else,
is
to
provide
an
environment
that
can
support,
facilitate
and
nurture
programs
that
help
our
community
flourish.
We
see
this
as
an
opportunity
for
organizations
to
come
together,
whether
it
be
for
team
building
Retreats
or
to
Workshop
a
creative
idea.
AK
It
is
our
hope
that,
through
the
Fulfillment
of
this
model,
that
the
city
of
Beacon
will
benefit
from
and
be
enhanced
by
what
this
brings
and
I
would
like
to
once
again
thank
the
members
of
the
planning
board
for
their
time,
consideration
and
guidance
as
well
in
this
process.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
have
a
good
evening.
H
B
B
Let's
just
go
one
by
one:
let's
talk
about
traffic
to
determine
what
exactly,
when
I
just
asked
whether
we
think
it's
appropriate
and
something
we
want
to
do
to
refer
the
traffic
part
of
this
application
to
our
that's
a
good
question.
So
let's
go
let's
get
to
it.
Let's
talk
about
it,
I'm
not
going
to
answer
that
I
want
to
I,
want
a
discussion
around
the
board,
and
so,
if
we
can't
answer
it,
then
then
it.
C
Probably
isn't
necessary.
My
concern
is
that
is
the
how
to
protect
residences
on
you
know,
side
streets
across
from
the
near
the
venue
from
people
parking.
You
know
two
tires
on
their
lawn
and
the
noise
impacts
of
people
coming
back
to
their
cars
at
you
know,
10
p.m
or
10,
30
p.m,
and
slamming
doors
and
talking
excitedly
and
I.
Don't
know
a
long
time
ago.
C
I
asked
the
question:
could
we
do
Resident
parking
permit
and
the
answer
was
that
that
can't
be
done
without
going
to
the
state
of
New
York,
going
up
to
Albany
like
what
I
was
told
was
at
the
community
Camp
incorporate
a
resident
parking,
only
type
program
where
you
give
out,
you
know
stickers
to
to
people.
You
know
like
they
have,
for
example,
Pittsburgh
where,
if
you
you
can
park
in
a
certain
neighborhood,
so
then.
B
C
C
B
That's
a
good
point
and
that's
that's
something
then
I,
therefore
I
believe
the
Traffic
Safety
Committee
would
bring
to
the
council
to
consider
as
part
of
legislation
right.
So
that's
one
item
anything
else:
I
mean
personally
and
supportive.
The
Traffic
Safety
Committee
reviewing
for
those
reasons
and
potentially
making
those
recommendations
to
the
city
I
think
that's
pretty
valid.
I
M
B
The
question
sprung
from
someone
in
the
public
referencing
valet
parking,
which
I
understand
from
Reading
you
don't
you
have
you're,
not
including
that
in
part
as
part
of
your
management
plan.
No,
it
is
not,
however,
I'm
observing
that
you
do
based
on
certain
events.
Certain
size
events
discuss
the
use
of
attendance.
B
I'm
not
done
question
is:
would
you
consider
valet
parking
and
wood
valet
parking?
You
know
materially
affect
the
organization
of
things
on
your
site
from
your
perspective
and
then
I
think
we
are.
We
already
understand,
through
your
management
plan,
how
The
attendancy
Works
in
terms
of
the
management
of
parking,
so
contrast
that
to
valet
parking
so.
V
So
I
mean
I
think
what
we've
documented
is
that
there's
sufficient
parking
to
handle
the
events
in
the
surrounding
area,
but
as
far
as
the
ability
to
do
valet
parking,
really
the
question
becomes:
do
we
control
spaces
that
are
within
a
reasonable
distance
to
allow
for
parking?
Valley
parking
actually
occur,
so
could
we
actually
accommodate
on
our
site?
Probably
not,
and
then,
where
else
could
you
do
valet
parking?
That
would
make
it
a
viable
solution
so.
B
V
M
H
H
B
V
AK
B
B
I
B
B
Seconded
second
by
Len,
and
then
again
this
is
specifically
so
it's
captured
to
study,
on-street
parking
and
you
know
I
want
to
give
them
at
least
some
parameters.
I
don't
want
to
give
them
specific
streets,
but
at
least
in
the
general
vicinity
of
the
application
to
where
on
street
parking
might
occur.
During
large
events,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
too
broad.
AC
B
Aye
then,
as
far
as
the
applicant's
stated,
controls
in
terms
of
I
just
want
to
get
a
sense
of
how
comfortable
the
board
is
or
whether
we
need
more
on
that
hours
of
operation
limits
the
size
of
function,
limits
that
the
applicants
stated
for
us
and
through
doing
so
agrees
to,
should
this
go
through
abide
by,
does
the
board
feel
like
they
need
any
more
discussion,
questions
or
have
any
other?
Any
further
asks
one
thing
I
can
raise?
B
C
D
B
B
H
I
So,
let's
just
it's
controlling
the
traffic,
because
if
it
were
a
venue
where
they
I
understand
that
there
are
legal,
you
know
legal
loopholes
that
they
can.
You
know
take
advantage
of.
But
nonetheless,
as
someone
said
earlier
this
evening,
there
are
still
you
know
the
hundred
plus
cars
that
need
to
be
dealt
with.
And
if
it
were,
you
know
if
there
were
more.
D
B
I
M
Just
to
be
very
clear,
the
applicant
has
to
meet
the
noise
ordinance.
So
all
this
is
well
intentioned
and
designed
to
mitigate
against
what
the
applicants
project
and
the
report
is
indicating
that
we
are
going
to
meet
those
criteria.
So
don't
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there's
also
a
mentioned
100
cars.
That's
not
the
number
of
vehicles
coming
to
the
site,
I'm
not
going
to
go
to
the
traffic
study
for
that,
but
we.
B
Get
it
because
we've
been
through
this
100
times
with
other
applications
as
far
as
the
law
of
the
noise
ordinance
right
and
the
ability
for
acousticians
to
study
theoretical
models
of
noise
generated
on
site
right,
so
your
applicant
has
done
that
are
excuse
me,
your
your
acquisition
has
done
that
our
acoustician
has
said.
There
are
some
things
about
your
reporting
that
we
find
a
little
and
then.
C
C
B
Yes,
that's
exactly
what
I'm
saying
the
things
that
your
consultant
raised
here
tonight,
I'd
like
our
consultant
to
respond
to,
which
is
exactly
what
Len
just
said
right
again.
So
thank
you
yes,
so
there's
that
so
as
far
as
noise,
and
so
therefore
sikra
I'm
of
the
position
that
we
wait
for
our
Consultants
notes
back
on
what
we
just
heard
tonight
from
the
application
applicants
consultant.
Are
we
all
an
agreement
there?
B
C
M
M
Is
that
something
that
the
board
meaning
moving
it
moving
the
back
to
the
eight
and
nine
o'clock
hours
to
try
and
because
those
are
considered
daytime
nine
o'clock
as
before
nine
o'clock
is
the
daytime
hour,
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
that's
the
code
and
that's
what
we're,
and
that
is
further
addressing
public
comments
and
all
issues
that
are
being
presented
relate
to
the
distribution
or
disbursement
of
patrons
from
this
site.
Thank.
C
And
the
only
reason
I'm
the
reason,
I'm,
the
only
reason
I'm
mentioning
nine
is
I-
think
that's
in
the
noise
law
when
we
switch
over
to
nighttime
hour
noise
ordinances.
So
there's
some
because
we
would
like
the
question
is:
what
do
you
it'd
be
nice
to
have
some
kind
of
precedent
to
hang
your
hat
on
right?
If
you're
going
to
pick
an
hour,
if
it's
somehow
tied
into
an
ordinance,
we
have,
or
it
has
some
context-
then
it's
easy.
Then
it's
not
arbitrary
and
capricious
right.
So.
M
We're
we
would
that's
we're
trying
to
self-impose
those
in
accordance
with
what
the
considerations
are
and
if
it's
dispersing
folks
from
the
property
specific
for
those
limited
days
not
every
day
of
the
year,
not
365,
but
the
days
that
we've
limited
and
the
numbers
that
we've
limited
and
how
many
days
they're
already
Limited
we're
further
limiting
those
hours.
If
that
would
be,
you.
C
And
I'm
also
asking
whether
that's
more
important
than
which
days
you
know
and
so
like,
if
like,
for
instance,
if
it
was
agreed
that
you
know
all
patrons
or
conference
attenders
were
dispersed
by
9
pm
that
you
know
you
wouldn't
need
to
sacrifice
Mondays
through
Wednesdays.
That
kind
of
thing
you
know
is
it
what's
what's
more
important,
where's
the
emphasis
and
the
emphasis
on
people
can
be
assured
that
they
can.
You
know,
get
a
good
night's
sleep
and
and
come
home
from
work
and.
AL
M
B
B
C
B
L
B
Or
are
we
the
question
is:
do
we
feel,
based
on
everything
we've
learned
understand
no
heard
about
this
application
and
I?
Think,
quite
importantly,
from
the
vast
majority
of
this
application's
Neighbors,
do
we
feel
that
the
restrictions
that
the
applicant
has
imposed
on
themselves
in
terms
of
hours
of
operation
are
sufficient,
or
would
we
rather
see
them
based
on
all
of
those
factors,
more
restrictive
and
so
we're
talking
about
potentially
moving
from
a
done
by
nine
dispersed
by
945
to
done
by
an
earlier
hour
and
dispersed
by
an
earlier
hour?
B
I
C
And
see
you
know,
the
challenge
of
this
is
in
an
Ideal
World.
We
would
mitigate
all
the
adverse
impacts
right
to
one
satisfaction,
but
but
the
problem
is
I'm
I
get
uncomfortable
with
us
trying
to
kind
of
brainstorm
what
these
events
look
like
and
what
the
hours
you
know
look
like
if
you
want
to
delve
into
this
for
a
second,
like
you
have
a
professional
conference,
you
might
have
talks
from
eight
to
five
all.
B
C
I
think
that's
what
we
should
put
our
height
put
our
mindsets.
I
live
across
the
street
from
St
Luke's
Church.
It
has
a
Montessori
School.
It
used
to
have
people
come
and
use
the
basketball
gym.
There
was
the
occasional
wedding,
and
so
what
is
you
know?
It
certainly
wasn't
unusual
to
have
an
event
going
on
until
8
PM,
like
the
basketball
game
after
school
hours,
with
people
coming
in
using
the
activity
building
right
so
I
mean,
if
you're
just
asking
me
as
a
resident
of
Beacon
for
26
years.
B
C
C
K
Our
procedures,
so
this
is
a
relevant
discussion
for
two
reasons:
one
for
secret
purposes
for
determining
whether
there
may
be
an
adverse,
significant
adverse
environmental
impact
or
whether,
as
proposed
or
as
the
applicant
is
offering
to
change
the
project.
There
will
not
be
any
significant
adverse
environmental
impacts.
The
second
relevant
point
is
the
special
use
permit
standards.
Ultimately,
that's
what
this
application
is
all
about.
If
the
applicant
meets
each
of
the
special
use
permit
standards,
then
the
Apple
application
must
be
granted
those
special
use
permit
standards.
K
We
talked
about
at
prior
meetings,
they're
in
your
code,
we've
distributed
them
at
prior
meetings.
The
two
that
are
relevant
for
this
discussion
on
noise
and
other
you
know,
intensity
of
use
issues
are
that
the
operations
in
connection
with
the
special
use
will
not
be
more
objectionable
to
nearby
Properties
by
reason
of
noise
than
than
would
be.
K
I
M
And
we'll
we
certainly
respect
that
comment
and
also
it
has
just
to
address
it.
It
is
a
existing
church
that
can
have
up
to
350
people
there
today.
So
that
is
not
a
the
existing
conditions
is
we've.
I
know
we've
talked
about
this
before,
but
the
existing
conditions
can
be
more
impactful
than
the
proposed
use.
That
is
fully
constrained
and
limited
and
produced
hours.
So
it's
not
a
everyday
all-day
Affair
that
is
quite
limited
as
compared
to
what
the
existing
conditions
are
on
the
site.
M
We've
been
working
in
only
the
most
you,
the
board
itself
has
said.
We
need
to
look
at
this
John.
That's
not
I,
know
you're
making
that
point,
but
we've
made
the
same
point
and
if
you
don't
accept
our
point
about
how
this
is
not
every
day,
you
can't
make
the
same
point
to
say
well,
what's
going
on
there
today,
because
the
Church
of
Jennifer
Gray
is
coming
and
it's
going
to
be
every
day
and
it's
going
to
be
350
people,
because
we
want
to
follow
what
Jennifer
does
sorry.
H
AH
K
H
H
M
B
Look:
it's
it's
painful,
it's
painful,
because
we
want
to
be
very
deliberate.
We
want
to
be
very
thorough.
We
want
to
be
very
understanding
of
all
of
the
factors
and
you
know
look
in
this
instance.
This
particular
application,
as
you've
seen,
has
engendered
some
real
concerns
by
your
neighbors.
So
we
have
to
obviously
take
that
into
consideration
too.
Thanks.
B
B
H
M
Good
evening
for
the
record,
Taylor
Palmer,
with
Cuddy
and
fader
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
Lori
Joseph
Builders,
the
owners
of
the
property
I'm
joined
by
Mike
bodendorff
of
Hudson
Land
Design,
as
well
as
the
applicant
Gary
Joseph.
As
the
chairman
stated.
Thank
you
for
opening
the
public
hearing.
We
are
before
you
in
connection
with
a
proposal
for
a
five
lot
subdivision
at
12
Highland
place.
M
While
we
believe
that
five
lot
satisfies
your
zoning
requirements
and
the
subdivision
regulations,
we
are
pleased
to
share
an
audible
and,
if
I
may
mix,
my
metaphors
for
Now
by
that
I
mean
we're
pleased
to
share
with
the
board
that,
in
response
to
the
comments
from
the
public
and
the
board
and,
of
course,
your
Consultants,
we
have
actually
reduced
the
project
down
to
four
total
Lots
from
five.
So
we
have
reduced
the
project
down
to
four
Lots
in
the
proposed
subdivision.
Mike
I'm
gonna
have
walk
through.
M
M
The
revised
layout
includes
two
lots
fronting
on
Highland
and
two
behind
fronting
on
Anderson,
effectively
again
consistent
with
our
prior
proposal.
All
the
Lots
gain
access
from
Highland
by
a
shared
driveway.
So
again
we
realize
you
haven't
seen
this
reduction
I'm
going
to
have
Mike,
bring
his
computer
up
here
and
walk
you
through
it,
but
of
course,
we'd
respectfully
submit
that
this
would
further
reduce
any
potential
environmental
impacts.
Again,
you've
already
adopted
a
secret
determination
on
five
Lots.
B
H
B
S
AD
Good
evening
for
the
record,
Mike
bodendorf
Hudson
land
design,
engineer
for
the
applicant,
so
we
are
looking
at
a
four
lot
layout
here,
generally
Lots
one
and
two
previous
Lots
one
and
two
which
I'll
switch
back
to
the
old
layout
here,
have
been
Consolidated
into
one
lot.
Those
previous
slots
fronted
on
Grove
Street
now
lot,
one,
which
is
this
lot,
will
front
on
Highland
Place
lot:
two,
which
used
to
be
lot
three.
There
really
have
no
changes
there
other
than
the
fact
that
actually
there's
no
changes
whatsoever
on
that
lot.
AD
Lot:
three:
what
used
to
be
lot?
Four,
no
changes
lot.
Four
of
what
used
to
be
lot:
five,
no
changes!
We
will
have
a
single
driveway
for
a
new
lot.
One
we've
kept
the
same
amount
of
proposed
plantings.
We
haven't
reduced
any
of
them
the
same
amount
of
drainage
mitigation
and
these
trees
were
previously
proposed
for
the
lot
one
driveway
and
lot
two
driveway
and
what
we
did
was
move
them
back
to
where
the
driveway
will
have
the
parking
area,
and
this
will
provide
a
little
bit
of
screening
between
the
two
lots
here.
W
AD
AD
L
AD
B
So,
okay,
do
you
think
you've,
mercifully
made
at
least
a
review
of
application
number
two
at
10
15
at
night
that
much
quicker
so
to
Jill's
point.
We
will
potentially
take
comments
from
the
public
as
a
part
of
this
tonight's
public
hearing,
but
other
than
that
doing
what
we
need
to
do
to
amend
the
sikra
and
continuing
our
review
of
your
new
planning
next
month.
Not
much
else.
We
can
do
right,
understood,
I,
love
it
when
I
say
stuff
in
the.
B
Z
The
community
has
bullied
a
property
owner
into
building
more
expensive
houses
and
I.
Think
it's
worth
noting
the
the
the
essence
in
property
ownership
and
compliant
zoning
in
this
trend
towards
bullying
property
owners
that
are
fully
compliant
is
not
a
good
look
if
you
match
it
to
what
has
been
expressed
by
the
council
in
terms
of
encouraging
property
ownership
and
more
affordable
opportunities
for
the
citizens
of
the
community.
Z
U
Z
In
bigger
house
is
not
exactly
consistent
with
much
of
what
the
council
has
expressed
over
the
last
term
and
I'd
I'd
like
to
just
bring
that
to
your
attention
and
all
due
respect,
because
it's
quite
evident
logic
prevails
that
smaller
Lots
in
smaller
houses
are
more
affordable
and
more
accessible
to
more
people
than
bigger
houses
on
bigger
Lots,
the
developer
is
going
to
make
the
same
amount
of
money.
I,
I
presume
and
I
have
a
certain
level
of
skill
about
that
topic.
Z
It's
really
an
off.
You
know
it's
not
out
of
his
pocket
he's
moving
his
project
forward,
but
at
the
expense
of
eliminating
you
know
a
more
affordable,
two
more
affordable
houses,
they're,
probably
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
more
affordable
to
families.
So
it
would
be
relatively
inconsistent
with
the
the
interest
of
the
council,
in
my
opinion,
but.
AM
D
AM
Last
month,
I
had
sent
you
a
an
email
with
my
comments
for
the
subdivision,
because
I
couldn't
be
here
not
knowing
that
it
wasn't
coming
up
for
the
subdivision.
Last
month
it
was
just
a
Seeker,
but
right
now,
I
think
that
Mr
Joseph
should
have
requested
a
adjournment
until
everybody
had
seen
this
new
plan.
AB
AM
City
and
I,
don't
think
that
you
should
be
approving
private
driveways
on
a
new
subdivision.
I
think
it
should
be
a
city
street,
even
though
it
would
be
a
very
short
streak.
We
have
Louisa
Street,
we
have
Odell
Street
up
by
us
which
are
short
streets,
and
that
way
there
wouldn't
be
any
easements
for
Access
or
utilities.
They
would
be
in
the
public
road,
which
is
a
big
thing,
because
easements
will
always
be
a
problem.
AM
Think
that's
what,
but
my
concern
is:
what
will
the
footprint
of
the
house
look
like,
because
from
my
property
over
here
there's
a
very
large
large
outcropping
of
rock,
that's
above
the
level
of
the
land,
so
I
don't
know
where
he
was
measuring,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
rock
there
and
I
think
he's
going
to
have
to
do
a
lot
of
drilling
to
put
a
house
there.
Thank
you
thank.
H
AN
AN
AN
My
concern
is
what
this
construction
is
going
to
do
to
our
neighborhood
as
far
as
dust
and
banging
and
drilling
I'm
actually
sitting
here,
stunned
because
I'm
this
changes,
everything
I
understand
what
you
said.
You
you
gonna
you're,
getting
a
headache.
Well,
when
I
leave
here,
I'm
gonna
have
a
headache.
I.
AN
B
AN
F
Teresa
craft
I
just
want
to
say
I'm,
looking
at
the
blueprint,
that's
in
tonight's
packet
and
comparing
it
to
that.
Unlike
the
previous
speaker,
the
house
dimensions
did
not
change.
So
it's
four
of
the
same
size
houses
that
were
in
the
original
plan.
The
fifth
house
is
gone
and
I
I
know
a
lot
of
people
want
to
just
subdivide
every
piece
of
parcel
in
in
town,
and
some
people
want
to
put
20
houses
on
their
little
strip
of
land
I'm
still.
D
F
F
19195-20
minimum
requirements,
General
standards,
a
the
planning
board
in
considering
an
application
for
the
subdivision
of
land,
shall
be
guided
by
the
following
considerations
and
standards,
which
standards
shall
be
deemed
to
be
the
minimum
requirements
for
the
convenience,
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
city.
Choosing
to
allow
this
plan
to
proceed
now
with
four
Lots
will
still
destroy
the
neighborhood
in
a
way
we
weigh
never
seen
in
our
city
and
will
immediately
set
a
precedent
in
all
future
build
outs
in
other
neighborhoods
around
the
city.
F
It
will
make
it
difficult
for
this
board
and
all
future
planning
boards
to
reject
proposals
that
reduce
safety
and
quality
of
life
in
favor
of
the
developers.
Profits.
Residents
of
Beacon
are
relying
on
this
planning
board
and
its
paid
Consultants
experts
to
guide
the
city
into
smart
growth.
Thank
you.
AO
Jody
mccrito
Highlands
I'll
be
quick.
I
know
you
guys
have
a
long
night.
Thank
you
all
very,
very
much
like
everyone
else,
I'm
very
surprised.
It's
definitely
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
I
do
appreciate
it.
A
lot
of
the
issues
still
exist.
That
I
had
asked
you
guys
about,
but
the
main
thing
that
I
want
to
point
out
is
the
issue
of
parking
which
came
up
last
time
and
I
know
that
the
traffic
and
Safety
Committee
was
going
to
look
at
parking
on
Highland.
AO
This
has
the
same
issues
with
emergency
vehicles
having
to
turn
to
go
down
long
driveways
to
get
to
the
place
to
get
to
the
homes,
and
that
is
what
created
the
issue
with
parking.
The
issue
with
parking
was
turning
radius.
If
I
have
a
fire
at
my
house,
the
fire
engine
pulls
up
right
in
front
of
my
house
and
doesn't
need
to
turn
anywhere,
there's
ample
space
so
to
say
we're
going
to
take
away
half
the
parking
for
the
turning
radius.
AO
That
is
a
loss
of
parking
that
is
specifically
because
of
this
project,
whether
it's
five
Lots
or
four
Lots.
That's
still
the
same
issue
and
if
you
look
around
our
neighborhood
Anderson
Grove
Spruce
tillett,
all
of
those
streets
all
streets,
all
over
Beacon
are
just
as
narrow
as
ours
and
have
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
street,
and
they
don't
have
an
issue.
And
that's
because
the
turning
radius
of
emergency
vehicles
isn't
an
issue.
AO
And
if
you
look
at
the
I,
don't
know
what
lot
it
is
now,
but
the
lot
all
the
way
in
the
back.
If
an
ambulance
has
to
get
there
how's
it
getting
out,
there's
no
room
to
turn
around.
There's
an
ambulance
going
to
have
to
back
down
that
curve
and
then
around
the
driveway
I.
You
know,
I
I,
just
don't
understand
how
that's
going
to
work,
and
it
just
doesn't
seem
safe
to
me
at
all.
So
I
hope
that
that's
something
that
you
continue
to
consider
and
thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
time.
O
Hey
I,
just
wanted
to
to
kind
of
echo
I
get
that
this
why
this
happened:
I'll
also
Echo
Jody.
That
I
think
like
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
I
do
feel
like
this
could
have
been
done
sooner.
I
know
this
has
been
expressed
and
it's
like
beating
it
over
the
head,
but
I
feel
like
I
need
to
say
it
again,
like
you're
all
here
late,
we're
all
here.
Late
I've
got
like
two
kids
that
I
like
skipped
out
I'll
have
to
be
here
tonight
and
I.
O
Didn't
need
to
be
here
essentially
for
this
tonight
and
I
could,
like
I
wrote
a
response
to
what
was
there
before
so
like
I.
Do
think
like,
in
the
sense
of
fairness,
give
us
a
heads
up
so
that
we
can
do
this
together,
because
this
really
felt
like
railroading
to
essentially
come
and
be
prepared
to
speak
to
a
previous
state
and
then
say
Oh.
Actually,
we've
got
the
latest
greatest
I
think
that
that
was
known
and
intentional
and
I
think
that
we
could
work
work
better
on
this
in
the
future.
Thanks
sure.
B
Look
stuff
happens.
We
know
this
is
new,
but
again
just
for
everybody
and
for
the
record
we're
going
to
hold
the
public
hearing
over
we're
going
to
continue
our
review
on
this
new
form
of
application
for
this
location
and
there'll
still
be
ample
time
to
share
your
insights
and
comments
as
well.
I
just
will
say
that
you
know
just
as
far
as
reminding
the
board
of
the
memorandum
we
received
and
again
I'm
just
sort
of
doing
this
with
a
filter
of
what's
still
germane.
Most
of
it
is
I
believe
the
Traffic
Safety
Committee.
B
B
The
committee
issues,
the
following
findings:
The
Proposal
is
in
compliance
with
city
code
requirements
for
required,
roadway
width
and
the
committee
found
that
widening
of
the
road
for
the
proposal
Beyond
such
is
not
necessary.
I
would
imagine
that
is
still
applicable
with
this
reduced
application
number
two.
The
proposal
has
adequate
emergency
vehicle
Access
Fire
Chief
van
Voorhees
explained
to
the
committee
that
the
City's
Fire
Department
apparatus
says
apparatuses
will
access
through
the
middle
driveway
from
which
the
department
would
then
access
any
of
the
adjoining
properties
without
issue?
B
The
committee
is
no
concern
about
the
proposal
to
limit
parking
on
the
west
side
of
Highland
Place.
The
committee's
police
representative,
expressed
that
the
west
side
is
used
infrequently
for
parking.
Currently,
the
committee
also
noted
that
restricting
parking
along
one
of
a
street
one
side
of
a
street
I'm,
assuming
they
meant
to
say,
is
a
common
occurrence
throughout
the
city.
More
generally,
the
committee
also
found
adequate
parking
allocations
for
each
of
the
properties
in
The
Proposal.
B
The
committee
discussed
pedestrian
safety
and
possible
improvements
at
length.
The
committee
declines
to
recommend
that
the
planning
board
require
the
developer
to
install
sidewalks
along
either
Highland
place
or
Grove
Street,
due
to
practical
space
constraints
and
considering
that
adjacent
streets
lack
sidewalks
to
connect
with.
C
Share
that
you
question
yes,
I'm
confused
by
something
that
you
just
read,
because
I
think
what
you
said
was
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understood
this
correctly,
that
the
the
letter
from
the
committee
said.
That
is
their
understanding
that
there's
currently
prohibition
on
parking
across
Highland
Place
from
the
existing
driveway.
U
C
K
So
I
asked
the
Ben
Swanson
who
drafted
this
memo
on
behalf
the
committee
this
morning
for
further
clarification
on
that.
He
said
that
it
was
the
committee's
understanding
that
the
proposal
was
to
restrict
parking
on
the
west
side,
that
that
was
what
was
being
requested.
So
they
were
responding
that
they
have
no
objection
to
that.
If
that's
what
what's
going
to
happen,
which.
H
B
H
B
AP
AP
C
M
C
B
It
rises
to
the
level
of
this.
There
was
concern
expressed
about
fire
equipment
access
right,
and
the
current
condition
is
that
there
is
parking
allowed
on
both
sides
of
the
street,
and
that
can
continue
to
my
understanding.
There
is
no
risk
to
any
life
safety
or
fire
apparatus
access
by
maintaining
it's
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
street,
and
there
is
no
either
requirement.
We
wouldn't
put
this
on
the
applicant
anyway
for
them
to
restrict
parking
on
one
side
of
the
street.
Nor
to
my
thinking
is
there
any
reason.
B
C
So
thanks
for
clarifying
the
reason
I
asked
was
because
I
got
the
sense
from
some
of
the
public
comments
that
that
residents
were
saying.
You
know
that
they
felt
that
their
hardship
was
being
imposed
on
them.
That
parking
was
going
to
be
eliminated,
they
used.
So
that's
not
the
case.
So
thanks.
It's.
C
U
Cars
park
on
both
sides
of
the
pavement
you
don't
have
access
through
the
middle
car
can
squeak
through
it's
fire
truck.
Can't.
So
my
guess
is
people
pull
out
of
the
grass
so
that
they
don't
block
the
street?
That's
the
way
it's
sort
of
done
in
Beacon
and
parking
is
informal.
Generally
people
don't
try
to
park
across
the
street
from
somebody
else.
They
provide
gaps.
U
U
B
To
each
other
you're,
also
in
a
neighborhood
like
this,
you
pretty
much
know
the
knucklehead
is
parking
right
on
the
street
and
you
go
either
knock
on
their
door
and
say
you're
blocking
the
road.
But
anyway,
if
they're
home,
if
they're
home,
the
committee's
police
or
they're
they're
coming
to
visit
you,
the
committee's
police
representative,
expressed
that
the
west
side
is
used
infrequently
for
parking.
Currently.
S
S
B
AO
Just
two
things:
yeah:
nobody
parks
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
now
because
nobody
lives
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
now.
But
if
you
add
four
more
houses,
people
are
going
to
be
parking
there,
because
then
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
people
that
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
park
and
again
it's
really
hard
to
get
in
and
out
of
those
driveways.
But
I
I
sent
you
all
an
email
from
the
I'm
I
haven't
seen
this
memorandum,
I
guess
it
was
from
this
morning.
AO
I
haven't
looked
at
that
yet,
but
I
sent
you
all
an
email
from
the
fire
chief
back
in
November,
where
he
said
that
the
way
to
get
access
would
be
to
eliminate
parking.
So
that's
directly
an
email
that
I
received
from
the
fire
chief
granted.
That
was
when
we
had
the
private
road
plan.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
different
now
because
of
the
share
driveways,
although
it
seems
like
the
houses,
are
still
set
just
as
far
back
from
the
road
and
I.
Don't
know
why
and
again
it's
not
just
fire
engines.
It's
an
ambulance
too.
M
There's
an
existing
driveway
there.
Today
you
won't
park
in
front
of
that
driveway.
Now
that's
consistent
with
where
we're
locating
that
the
new
entrance.
So
that's
that's
not
a
changed
condition
either
so
you're
still
not
going
to
park
in
front
of
that
driveway.
That's
pretty
much
the
same,
but
we're
also
providing
the
zoning
compliant
off
street
parking.
So
right.
B
L
B
B
AD
AL
M
B
AL
M
M
B
L
D
M
B
B
T
T
J
Thank
you
good
evening,
Rea
Siegel
representing
the
honor,
so
we
submitted
revised
drawings.
In
response
to
the
comments
we
received
at
the
last
meeting,
there's
a
number
of
changes
to
the
site
plan.
We
added
a
planting
strip
behind
the
sidewalk
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
building
at
the
front
of
the
building,
so
so
that
provides
some
additional
Landscaping
over
there.
J
J
J
So
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
at
the
last
meeting
was
trying
to
figure
out.
If
we
could
do
some
Wham,
Banking
and
parking,
the
owner
circulated
a
survey
to
the
existing
tenants.
They
got
very
limited
responses.
I
think
that
they
got
like
eight
or
ten
responses
of
people
who
said
they
were
potentially
interested
in
possibly
renting
Studio
space
in
in
the
new
development.
So
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
that's
enough
to
go
on
to
you
know
based
land
banking
on
that.
But
you
know
what
we're
you
know.
J
The
applicant
does
want
to
do:
land
banking,
so
we're
hoping
that
we
could
discuss
some
kind
of
number.
We
could
come
to
an
agreement
on
I
know
our
consultant
initially
said
to
land
bank
15.,
John
I
think
he
said,
construct
60
or
65
at
the
beginning.
You
know,
and
then
these
can
always
be
called
in
to
play
if
there's
an
issue,
but
you
know
it'd
be
nice
if
we
could
provide
more
Landscaping,
especially
near
the
entrance
and
eliminate
some
of
that
asphalt.
J
J
U
H
U
Would
love
to
see
less
than
95
laid
out
now
the
concept?
This
is
still
a
concept
Plan
before
the
planning
board
or
now
before
the
planning
board.
But
the
council
has
to
agree
to
it.
So
you
can't
do
too
much
that
you
would
wouldn't
get
the
council
to
agree
on,
but
you
have
to
have
good
rationale
for
waiving
a
certain
number
of
spaces.
E
U
AL
H
AL
D
K
H
K
AL
U
U
Is
you
have
to,
but
it
doesn't
say
you
have
to
break
up
a
row.
It
just
has
to
have
once
one
tree
a
three
inch
diameter
for
each
10
spaces,
but
it
doesn't
say
you
have
to
break
up
a
row
every
10
spaces
or
anything
like
that.
So
this
the
trees
that
they
have
at
the
corners
of
the
parking
lot
would
count
for
that
because
they're
in
the
parking
area,
what's.
B
B
B
U
B
U
I've
submitted
documentation
that,
based
on
the
shared
analysis
of
hours,
that
they
can
reduce
it
by
15
spaces
down
to
80.
and
the
question
is:
would
you
want
to
go
more
on
land
banking?
So
then,
for
you
could
say:
okay,
we'll
we'll
make
them
build
80
spaces,
but
we'll
allow
them
to
do
another
10
or
something
in
green.
That
is
reserved.
D
H
L
U
H
I
B
D
L
L
L
B
J
H
B
Right
so
so,
what's
then,
if
we're
all
in
support
of
land
banking,
what's
the
adequate
number
two
design
in
for
parking,
yeah
I
mean
at
this
point.
You
know
your
application
best
and
you've
made
it.
You've
made
an
assumption
that
you
think
is
adequate
just
in
terms
of
how
many
spots
would
be
necessary.
How
do
you
just
based
on
what
the
applicants
shared
with
us
in
terms
of
the
number
of
spots
they
want
to
build?
Does
that
appear
adequate
to
you.
U
Hard
to
tell
with
respective
tenants
upstairs
there's
28
units
right.
You
would
assume
that
if
there
might
be
some
interest
of
people
who
move
upstairs
having
space
downstairs,
but
how
many
you
have
to
make
a
guess,
you
land
bank,
it
you
study
it
for
six
months.
If
there's
a
parking
crunch,
you
come.
B
J
Great
and
I
think
we're
going
to
base
that
on
the
fact
that
there's
28
units
we
know
what
the
standard
is
for,
that
you
know
one
per
unit
and
a
quarter
per
bedroom
so
that
there's
something
to
base
it
on
and
then
I
think.
What
we
would
do
is
look
at
how
many
Studio
spaces
we
think
we're
going
to
have
great
and
and
work
something
out
from
there,
because
that's
based
on
a
square
foot
number
which
I
think
again
is
heavy.
So
I
think
that
that's
where
the
savings
would
come
all.
U
U
H
B
Yeah,
let's
let's
I
know
we
still
have
some
information.
We
need
from
you
as
far
as
secret
right.
Getting
our
secret
review
done
right.
So
then
you
know
what
you
need
to
get
to
us:
yeah
no
need
to
talk
at
length
about
it
right
and
then
just
as
far
as
any
other
I
know,
there's
still
work
to
do
relative
to
the
engineering,
but
that
we
don't
need
to
get
to
necessarily
until
this.
Y
Y
You
know,
in
accordance
with
State
Fire
code,
that
access
would
have
to
have
a
minimum
width,
clear
space
of
20
feet,
problem
being
they
have
the
apartment.
Building
there
the
cars
park
out
in
front
of
the
sidewalk
there
by
the
time
you
park
the
cars
you're
down
to
I,
believe
I,
said
nine
feet,
clear
width,
so
somehow,
you're
really
gonna
have
to
look
at
how
you're
going
to
get
20
foot
clear
access,
I'm.
B
L
AQ
H
J
U
B
B
B
AR
M
Taylor,
Palmer,
Cuddy
and
fader
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
I'm
joined
by
our
architect,
with
not
as
great
here,
Ari
Siegel
and
Mike
bodor
who's
probably
got
the
most
hair
of
the
three
of
us
who
continues
to
Moonlight
as
Dan
Kohler,
who
definitely
has
the
most
hair
on
our
team.
Our
traffic
and
parking
Sultans,
Rich
d'andrea
from
Colliers
engineering
and
we're
also
joined
by
the
applicant
Jordan
houg.
As
the
chairman
today,
we
are
before
you
for
a
continued
review
of
an
application
for
subdivision
and
lot
line.
M
Merger
for
redevelopment
of
the
property
for
a
three-story
mixed
use,
multi-family
residential
project
located
at
397,
393
and
7
cockham
Street,
the
chairman
may
have
just
referred
to
it
as
fiscal
Avenue,
but
it's
also
been
referred
to
as
the
posted
stamp
with
Beacon.
Since
we're
before
you,
your
last
before
you
on
January
10th,
we
did
appear
before
the
ARB
subcommittee,
so
that
was
our
our
homework
assignment
from
the
last
meeting
as
Rea
can
discuss,
we
did
get
the
erb's
comments
on
the
Project's.
M
Facade
now
includes
more
brick
details
wrapping
around
the
corner
of
the
building
by
Conklin
Street
and
the
Fishkill
Avenue
intersection.
So
that
was
a
change
that
we
incorporated
based
on
the
arb's
input.
We
did
include
our
revised
site
plan
set
and
it
did
make
a
couple
more
refinements
to
the
building
program.
The
recreation
area
on
the
west
side
of
the
building
has
been
redesigned
to
incorporate
the
three
terraced
patio
areas.
M
The
first
patio
area
within
the
garden
is
Ada
accessible
from
the
parking
lot
and
the
rear
of
the
building,
and
then
all
three
patios
include
benches
and
picnic
tables
to
create
Green
Space
for
tenants
and
to
work
and
relax
outside
and
then
the
dense
plantings
maintain
privacy
between
each
patio
while
ensuring
an
ecologically
diverse
landscape,
an
aesthetically
pleasing
view,
pleasing
views
for
the
tenants,
visitors
and
passers-by
we've.
As
Mr
Clark
mentioned,
we
have
a
requested.
We
have
also
added
Street
trees
along
Conklin,
Street
and
and
the
fischkel
Avenue
sidewalks.
M
J
J
J
D
J
J
B
J
J
J
C
J
B
B
AQ
Yeah,
okay,
do
you
mind
if
I
make
one
comment?
I'll
make
it
brief,
John
anyway,
I
think
that
there's
still
something
that's
not
traditional
brick
Dimensions
about
this,
which
is
the
very
tall
and
thin
pier
in
the
center
and
the
the
cornice
which
is
sort
of
floating
right
on
top
of
the
framing
right.
AQ
I
would
look
at
that
as
removing
that
that
corner
Hardy,
Board
right
and
just
what
is
more
traditional
in
a
brick
structure,
is
to
have
brick
going
from
the
foundation
all
the
way
up
right
to
the
top,
and
that's
what
you
have
in
the
the
the
stair
Piers
right
and
I.
Think
that
if
you
look
at
it
and
you
just
there's
different
ways
to
articulate
it,
but
if
you
just
infill
that
a
lot
it'll
be
looked,
it's
not
that
much
money
and
it'll
look
so
much
more
in
Repose.
Let's.
J
B
B
I,
don't
know
I
always
like
to
when
looking
at
those
old
buildings
think
well
what
what
what
function
did
that
used
to
have
right
because
they
always
had
a
purpose.
So,
when
I'm,
looking
at
those
two
big
giant
openings
that
look
like
to
some
degree
infill,
my
first
question
is:
what
function
did
that
originally
have
right,
as
opposed
to
being
an
arbitrary
geometry
for
a
new
structure?
B
H
B
U
H
U
J
J
We're
reviewing
where
that
fence
needs
to
be
and
how
we're
going
to
provide
protection.
You
know
fall
protection
at
the
top
of
the
retaining
wall
and
also
those
tiered
Recreation
Area
steps.
So
we'll
we'll
have
detail
on
a
recommendations
but
I
think
I
think
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
vinyl.
It's
probably
going
to
be
a
wood
fence
and
better
and
then
we'll
we'll
also
have
the
guardrail
detail.
Y
Y
B
J
I
AI
M
M
Evening
and
if
I
say,
I'll
leave
it
for
later
Taylor
Palmer
with
cutting
fader
on
behalf
of
the
app
and
I'm
joined
by
the
project,
architect,
Arya
Siegel,
our
project,
engineer,
Mike,
bodendorff,
Hudson,
Land,
Design
and
Carlito
Holt
of
DTS
Providence,
our
traffic
consultant
I'm,
also
joined
by
my
colleague,
Ali
fasner
I,
think
I
left
her
out
of
the
last
three
presentations.
So
sorry,
Ally,
as
the
chairman
stated,
we
are
before
your
board
in
connection
with
a
new
application.
M
So
this
is
our
first
pass
to
this
just
kind
of
getting
you
all
acquainted
with
our
proposal
and
it
involves
a
site
plan
application
proposing
to
improve
a
existing
vacant
parcel
with
a
three-story
commercial,
only
no
residential
project
located
at
what
is
known
as
536
Main
Street.
But
there
is
no
building
there
currently
before
I
turn
it
over
to
ra
to
run
through
the
site
plans.
M
I
did
just
want
to
give
the
board
a
quick
background
about
the
property
for
the
benefit
of
the
board,
and
then
he
can
give
you
the
quick
overview
of
the
use
of
the
space.
We
first
met
with
City
staff
back
in
January
on
the
23rd
about
the
premises
about
a
1.3
acre
lot.
Sorry
0.135
acre
lot
on
the
west
side
of
Main
Street,
again
commonly
referred
to
as
536
Main
Street,
it's
in
the
city's
CMS
Central
Main,
Street,
Sony
district,
and
it's
also
in
the
historic
district
overlay
District.
M
As
the
board
is
aware,
the
area
that
surrounds
the
properties,
commercial,
residential,
mixed
use,
including
Apartments
restaurants,
personal
service
establishments,
a
hotel
event,
space
and
other
retail
uses.
So,
there's
a
mix
of
sort
of
character
that
makes
up
that
corner
near
East,
Main
Street
and
it's
sort
of
the
fashion
of
those
buildings
we
are
proposing
to
construct
a
dimensionally
zoning
compliant
13,
554
square
foot.
Retail
commercial
building.
M
R.A
is
going
to
talk
about
those
four,
so
I'll
leave
it
to
him
to
discuss
those
Carlito.
Our
traffic
consultant
we'll
also
briefly,
present
the
traffic
and
parking
study
that
is
associated
with
the
site,
as
is
detailed
in
the
parking
study,
the
Project's
not
anticipated
to
have
a
significant
impact
on
traffic
in
the
vicinity
of
the
project
site.
Indeed,
the
study
found
that
the
project
has
a
very
minor
traffic
generator.
A
lot
of
the
use
that's
proposed
for
the
space
is
by.
M
Otherwise,
which
we'll
get
into
in
a
minute,
the
study
also
found
that
there's
available
parking
in
the
surrounding
area.
Part
of
this
application,
when
I,
say
zoning
or
dimensionally
conforming,
is
that
it
will
require
a
waiver
of
this
board
with
respect
to
the
commercial
parking
again
we
are.
We
have
no
residential
proposed
with
the
application.
M
The
proposed
building
will
host
a
retail
showroom
for
warp
and
weft
a
custom
and
custom
Designer
Rug
curation
business,
so
Workman
web
offers
high
quality
internationally
sourced
rugs
that
are
commonly
found
in
residential
commercial
Hospitality
developments.
I,
don't
believe
that
Ari
has
the
specific
pictures,
but
we
will
include
them
in
our
our
next
submission.
Maybe
he
does
look
at
that
he's
trying
to
surprise
me
at
Rea,
so
so
for
the
bed
of
the
board.
These
are
some
of
the
existing.
M
If
you
want
to
keep
scrolling
through
MRA
the
existing
location
of
Manhattan.
To
kind
of
give
you
a
sense,
the
the
owner
was
very,
has
always
been
drawn
to
DIA
and
has
had
a
lot
of
ties
to
that
he's
very
interested
in
making
his
headquarters
here
the
beacon
to
really
be
effectively.
You
know
in
tune
with
the
gallery
and
and
type
retail
that
you
have
here
along
Main
Street.
M
So
again,
the
proposed
building
will
host
a
retail
showroom
for
warp
and
weft,
and
you
know
again
it
offers
the
high
quality
rugs
that
are
Source.
One
might
say
that
we're
a
rug
dealer
now
I
usually
say
that
very
fast.
It's
a
rug
dealer
inspired
by
our
artistic
community
on
Main
Street
I
had
to
have
a
joke
for
at
least
every
presentation
so
come
on.
Give
me
a
breakup
is
proposing
an
architectural
space
which
it
can
its
companies
rugs
can
be
viewed
and
experienced
more
fully.
Through
The
Artful
facade
designs.
M
Importantly,
we
are
commercial
into
development
and
it's
a
presently
under
underutilized
undeveloped
property.
That's
going
to
mesh
with
the
fat
we're
proposing
to
mesh
with
the
fabric
of
with
the
existing
built
environment
along
Main
Street,
especially
on
this
end
of
Main
Street,
while
supporting
an
economically
successful,
environmentally
sustainable
Main
Street.
It's
worth
noting
that
the
project
does
not
propose
to
construct
the
fourth
story,
of
course,
in
this
section
of
Main
Street,
it
could
not
have
one,
however,
consistent
with
those
CMS
regulations
for
development,
seeking
the
benefit
of
a
fourth
story.
M
Development
project
of
the
pro
development
program
for
the
project
also
incorporates
certain
public
benefits
to
Upper
floors
of
commercial
space,
supportive
office
right
on
Main,
Street
and
then
other
Green
Building
designs.
So
we're
incorporating
some
of
those
things
that,
if
you
were
seeking
a
fourth
story,
would
actually
go
towards
weighing
towards
public
benefits.
There
just
happened
to
be
a
fully
commercial
building
here.
Procedurally,
we
are
seeking
site
plan
approval
for
the
project
other
than
again
the
off
street
parking
again,
all
commercial.
The
project
is
otherwise
zoning
compliant.
J
J
Unfortunately,
Taylor
saved
me
a
lot
of
time
because
he
gave
a
third
of
my
presentation
but
yeah.
Basically
we
you
know,
we
want
to
stress
that
all
three
floors
are
commercial
showroom
space,
so
the
the
ground
floor
will
have
higher
ceilings.
That'll
be
the
main
showroom,
but
all
three
floors
have
the
essentially
the
same
function.
J
J
AP
J
Yeah,
so
that
there
are
those
existing
easements
between
our
building
and
five
34.,
and
you
know
that
gives
access
to
the
rear
yards
for
both
properties,
or
you
know
some
some
access
to
the
rear
of
the
building.
So
we
would
probably
use
that
for
some
of
our
fire
egress
from
for
the
second
fires.
There
then
so.
B
L
J
Wealth
we
also
in
terms
of
the
egress
we
may
need
to
do
an
interior
card
or
because
of
the
grading
back
there,
because
I
don't
think
we
can
grade
the
easement,
but
you
know,
but
there
will
be
some
okay.
I
have
access
back
there.
So
there's
also
that
back
Garden
area,
which
is
now
going
to
be
five
feet
smaller,
because
I
I
guess
the
zoning
setback
changed
again.
It
used
to
be
something
where
there's
you
had
to
be
25
feet
back.
That's.
U
J
So
the
applicant
envisions
and
gave
us
guidelines
for
a
very
minimal
clean
facade
to
reflect
the
design
philosophy
of
his
business
and
there
are
nearby
building
examples
like
roundhouse
one
in
Spain
that
are
in
a
historic
buildings
as
well,
but
very
minimally
detail.
They
don't
have
those
traditional
cornices.
AD
D
B
J
And-
and
we
you
know,
we
can
review
that
when
we
get
to
the
ARB,
but
we
we
think
you
know
that
it
a
lot
of
those
are
being
met
in
a
different
way
than
a
traditional
way.
But
you
know
we
can
have
that
review.
He
would
like
to
do
that
sooner
than
later,
so
we
could,
you
know,
because
everything
else
seems
to
be
fairly
straightforward,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
have
time
to
have
that
dialogue.
B
B
U
B
H
K
B
Q
Q
They'll,
probably
start
off
with
about
three
employees
and,
as
Taylor
alluded
to
a
good
majority
of
the
customers,
will
be
appointment
based
so
that'll
help
meter
the
traffic
and,
more
critically,
the
parking
demand
any
any
walk-ins.
A
large
amount
of
those
walk-ins
are
probably
going
to
be
patrons
of
the
downtown
area
already
they're,
not
necessarily
coming
to
visit
the
rug
store
but
they'll
be
in
the
downtown
area
and
maybe
pop
in
because
they
see
you
know
the
rugs
in
the
window.
T
Thanks
Mr,
chairman
and
I
appreciate
the
help
from
Pete
to
get
us
online
with
zoom
I've
heard
you
guys
great
for
the
last
couple
hours.
So
thanks
again
for
for
getting
that
worked
out,
Carlito
summed
it
up
pretty
well
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
at
looking
at
this
project
that
there's
anything
that
can't
be
overcome.
T
I
do
think
that
this
project
mirrors
a
lot
of
what
we
went
through
to
a
lesser
extent
though,
but
we
went
through
on
416
420
main,
where
we
were
seeking
to
use
available
public
parking
within
a
reasonable
walking
distance
of
the
site,
and
if
you
recall
that
application,
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
figuring
out
what
that
Regional
distance
is.
The
code
obviously
allows
for
use
of
public
parking
within
I,
believe
800
feet,
and-
and
there
were
some
questions
at
the
time
as
to
when
that
parking
study
was
done.
T
Drawing
into
you
know
into
questions
some
seasonality
concerns,
all
of
which
are
echoed
in
our
letter.
It's
not
the
applicant's
fault
that
they're
beginning
this
project
in
the
winter,
but
certainly
the
the
data
that
has
been
collected.
It
should
be
adjusted
or,
to
the
extent
possible
to
reflect
that
summer
or
early
fall
time
in
Beacon
when
I
think
we
all
would
agree.
T
But
I
think
the
analysis
that
we
were
presented
called
for
a
maximum
of
18
parked
Vehicles,
which,
after
hearing
what
Carlito
said,
does
seem
to
to
be
conservative
based
on
the
maximum
of
six
employees
and
and
sort
of
a
low
turnover
of
customers.
But
our
comments
were
pretty
straightforward.
I
think
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
we'll
be
able
to
to
hopefully
work
with
the
applicant
and
and
get
the
board
an
accurate
representation
of
the
parking.
The
seasons
are
adjusted
for
the
worst
case,
condition.
B
M
T
S
is
that
you
know-
and
this
came
up
with
416
420
main-
is
that
there
are
several
projects
along
Main
Street
that
have
sought
this
same
type
of
relief,
meaning
use
of
public
parking
in
a
downtown
area,
and
what
we
just
want
to
make
sure.
As
with
all
projects
on
you
know,
in
the
Main
Street
kind
of
Heart
of
the
City.
Is
that
we're
not
taking
credit
for
parking
that
exists
today,
but
may
not
exist
tomorrow
when
things
that
have
been
previously
approved
are
built
and
realized.
T
B
Yeah
thanks
Frank
yeah
I
mean
I'm.
Just
I'll
just
make
the
observation
as
a
resident
that
trying
to
find
parking-
and
you
know
it's
always
nice-
to
walk
to
places.
But
when
you
have
a
four-year-old
sometimes-
and
you
want
to
go
to
dinner
at
melzica-
that's
not
an
option.
You
gotta
drive
parking
down.
There
is
a
real
pain
in
the
ass
and
it's
a
deterrent.
Quite
honestly,.
I
M
M
B
U
Main
Street
access
committee
did
a
parking
survey
on
a
sunny
Saturday
during
the
peak
fall
Seasons,
which
we
figured
was
sort
of
the
max
Max
need
for
parking
on
that
day.
It
was
80
degrees.
No,
it
wasn't.
80
was
cooler,
it's
in
its
mid
60s,
but
it
was
sunny
beautiful
busy
day,
and
so
we
have
the
numbers
for
that
one
day,
which
would
be
better
than
I
think
a
January
study.
But
what
we
found
is
that
there
was
lots
of
parking
from
teller
West.
C
U
I'm
getting
to
in
this
end
the
brewery
lot
The
church
here
a
lot.
What
we
call
the
Churchill
a
lot
was
100
full
overflowing
people
parked
in
illegally
spots
the
verplank
lot,
the
one
that's
close
to
this,
which
has
20
21
cases
in
it
that
had
89
percent
and
some
of
the
side
streets
had
a
few
parking
spaces,
but
the
East
End
was
pretty
much
locked
down
from
teller
East.
D
U
C
U
U
Yeah
yeah,
you
can
have
designated
employee
parking
up
there,
which
would
help.
We
also
reminded
everybody
that
there
is
a
free,
Loop
bus.
You
can
park
at
the
county
lot
and
take
the
blue
bus
anywhere
on
the
Main
Street,
if
you're
willing
to
wait
for
it
to
come
back
and
there
is
side
street
parking
available
and
we
propose
striping
all
the
side
streets
so
that
it
would
be
much
more
efficient
and
people
would
recognize.
U
AD
M
M
O
B
B
AR
B
AR
AQ
AR
So
it
will
measure
32
inches
will
be
anchored
by
Iron
and
with
a
height
of
8
feet
from
the
ground,
the
colors
of
the
rainbow
will
be
used
in
the
design
to
reflect
our
Brand's
name
healthy
in
color.
The
material
used
to
construct
the
design
is
door,
Bond
aluminum
panels
which
is
lightweight
and
easy
to
work
with,
while
also
being
durable
and
weatherproof,
and
it
will
stand
the
test
of
time.
We
believe
that
this
sign
will
be
an
excellent
addition
to
our
store,
attracting
new
customers
and
helping
us
to
stand
in
the
community
of
Beacon.
AR
H
L
AR
AR
AR
L
B
AQ
Yeah
I
mean
I
want
to
make
a
general
comment
on
that
block.
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
noticed,
but
I
don't
know.
If
it's
something
about
a
lot
of
the
signs
are
circular
want
brackets.
It's
almost
like
it
there's
a
like
a
Disneyland
effect
and
a
couple
of
blocks
where
there's
new
stores.
This
is
a
little
different.
This
stands
out,
but
it's
around
top,
but
it
just
reminded
me
that
I
didn't
know
if
there
was
something
in
the
sign
code
that
encouraged
circular
signs
or
because.
AQ
B
AR
B
D
AR
B
J
J
J
B
H
B
Was
being
facetious,
but
yes,
if
I'm
reading
this
correctly
the
result
of
the
law
in
instances
of
new
residential
construction,
because
I
understand,
for
example,
commercial
cooking
is
exempt.
Is
that
anyone
choosing
to
build
a
new
house
and
Beacon
who
wants
to
put
a
stove
in
it
or
an
oven,
will
have
to
be
an
electric
unit?
There's
no
more
cooking
on
gas
in
Beacon
you're
correct,
which
is
awful
I,
don't
know
about
you
guys,
but.
J
H
B
It
can
it
can
look
I,
honestly,
air
tempering
HVAC.
All
of
that
can
be
accommodate
accommodated
through
electric,
that's
fine,
hot
water,
heating,
electric
fine,
everything
but
cooking
and
quite
honestly,
I'm
curious
natural
gas
for
cooking.
What
is
the
environmental
impact
and
you
make
a
really
good
point,
the
offset
of
generating
that
electricity.
AP
AP
B
That's
all
clear
that
that'll
make
sense,
and
again
it's
all
in
my
view,
for
every
other
system
you
need
in
a
home
electric,
the
technology
is
there,
the
equipment
is
there,
you
can
do
it,
except
for
the
I
don't
know.
Maybe
this
will
phase
out
when
I'm
gone,
but
except
for
the
quality
of
life
of
the
experience
of
cooking
on
gas?
No,
if
honestly,
if
I
bought
a
piece
of
property
in
Beacon
and
I-
don't
know,
maybe
I
should
know
better,
but
and
and
somehow
after
buying
that
piece
of
property
I
wanted
to
go.
I
S
AP
It's
only
only
if
you're
doing
more
than
75
percent
of
the
house
and
you're
also
replacing
the
boiler
at
the
same
time.
Okay,
then
you
would
be
required
to
go
over
to
electric
heat
and
at
that
point,
if
you're
doing
a
major
remodel
on
a
house,
usually
you're
ripping
everything
apart,
you're
re-insulating,
the
exterior
walls.
AP
You
know
things
like
that,
so
you're,
probably
it's
it's.
It
kind
of
gets
you
to
the
point
where
electric
would
be
very
efficient.
You
know,
but
if
it's
a
you
know,
but
if
you're
doing
minor
work
in
the
house,
it
doesn't
pay,
because
if
you're
not
re-insulating
the
walls,
especially
the
older
homes,
where
there's
either
nothing
in
the
wall
or
there's,
you
know
this
bricks
stacked
in
the
walls
exactly.
D
C
B
S
AQ
AQ
J
AQ
C
H
B
B
C
H
B
B
AR
H
AL
K
B
C
B
L
AL
In
terms
of
whether
this
is
realistic
or
feasible
off
the
top
of
my
head,
I'd
say
it
probably
is,
but
I
don't
see
any
information
in
what
we've
been
given,
that
would
I
mean
What
proportion
of
deconstruction
or
major
renovation
is
going
electric
right
now
and
Beacon
as
opposed
to
other
sources
it.
What's
the
relative
cost,
those
like
right,
those
would
be
two
considerations
right
there,
state
of
as
realistic
or
feasible.
Give
me
those
geometrics.
K
AL
I
C
Alluded
to
when
he
said
if
your
major
renovation
is
going
to
be
to
the
point
where,
like
a
lot
of
houses,
aren't
being
we're
going
to
tear
it
down
to
the
studs
and
have
the
luxury
of
removing
all
the
brick
infill
and
really
re-insulating
in
a
way
that
the
house
is
sufficient
enough
to
to
have
all
electric
heat.
But
a
lot
of
houses
in
Beacon.
C
AL
AL
AL
K
AL
H
C
AP
AP
AP
Is
right
now
it
doesn't
apply
to
anything
other
than
that
you
know
for
an
existing
home.
So
if
you
do
a
deal,
is
it
a
minor
kitchen
renovation
you're
not
required
to
do
that?
If
you're,
placing
you
know
the
furnace
dies,
and
you
know
you
replace
the
furnace
because
it's
not
addressing
that
okay,
so
you
know
again
I
think
that
this
law
is
probably
one
year
ahead
of
what
the
state's
currently
proposing
So.
Eventually
it
will
come
down
the
line.
They'll
probably
incorporate
it
through.
You
know
either
the
state.
B
AP
And
in
that,
in
that
connection,
if
we're
doing
it,
if,
if
they
enact
this,
let's
say
at
the
end
of
this
year,
I
believe
I
believe
the
state
is
like
a
year
behind
in
their
current
proposal.
It's
just
a
matter
of
how
long
it
takes
the
state
to
to
come
to
terms
of
what
they're
looking
to
enact
I
know
they
have
the
committee,
that's
working
on
it,
but
it's.
AL
With
that
issue
of
potential
State
legislation,
it
would
seem
to
me
that
if
the
city
is
going
to
pass
this,
it
would
be
prudent
to
be
thinking
about.
The
issue
of
preemption,
and
in
particular,
I
would
be
in
favor
personally
would
be
in
favor
of
structuring
the
law
in
a
way,
so
that
if
there
is
a
state
regulation
that
is
doing
more
or
less
the
same
thing,
the
local
law
disappears
automatically
right
without
even
having
a
question
about
whether
there's.
H
AP
K
You
may
not
have
enough
information
in
front
of
you
to
be
able
to
opine
on
whether
it's
realistic
or
feasible
Fair
to
David's
Point
caution
against
a
phased
approach
to
the
renovations
to
avoid
that
75
threshold.
So
you
do
30
renovation
year,
one!
You
do
another
30
renovation,
Year
too.
Ultimately,.
K
AF
AQ
Are
good
it
has
upset?
One
thing
is
a
hundred
percent
of
the
natural
gas
is
the
you
you
comes
into
a
house.
Is
fossil
fuel
abuse
right
and
there's
a
potential
that
100
of
your
electric
electricity,
or
at
least
a
large
significant
part,
could
be
from
renewable
sources
that
don't
cause
climate
change
right.