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A
I
have
a
request,
and
that
is
that
I'm
going
to
ask
hopefully
without
objection
that
we
move
item
12
on
the
agenda
item.
12
is
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
for
2022
transportation,
sales,
tax
referendum
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
to
remove
this
during
the
course
of
the
evening
we're
going
to
be
presented
with
some
information
and
we're
probably
going
to
discuss
a
lot
about
an
alternative
which
is
a
greenways
tax
as
an
alternative,
not
an
addition.
A
D
If
I
might,
mr,
mr
chairman,
I'm
I'm
a
little
hesitant
to
remove
the
one
item
from
the
agenda.
I
think,
since
it
arrives
at
us
with
with
to
us
tonight,
with
a
vote
positive
vote
at
second
reading.
I
recall
correctly-
this
is
third
and
final
reading.
We
really
need
to
resolve
this
matter.
I
think
we
can
leave
it
on
the
agenda
if
we
find
we
can't
resolve
the
matter
tonight
and
would
like
to
delay
it
for
further
information
or
whatever
I
think,
an
up
or
down
vote
or
some
member.
D
Some
some
resolution
to
the
to
the
to
the
citizens
of
beaufort
county
probably
is
required,
and
so
I
I
would
suggest
you
leave
that
item
on
the
agenda
and
add
the
secondary
item
as
the
next
one
down
to
be
discussed
after
that
is
resolved
or
even
before
that
is
resolved,
so
that
so
that
at
least
we
get
some
idea
whether
it's
an
up
or
down
vote.
I
I
imagine
once
we
get
through
the
the
green
space
initiative.
D
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
my
point
is
clear.
Paul
at
some
point
we
have.
We
have
an
item
that
will
need
to
be
resolved.
You
can't
leave
stuff
unfinished
and
I
understand
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
tonight
that
that
gets
resolved,
but
you
can't
leave
it
out
there
forever.
There's
something
on
the
on
the
table.
It
needs
to
be
moved
appropriately
to
be
taken
off.
E
E
Think
really
to
take
a
vote
on
it.
So
I
think
you
know
you
can
talk
about
it
and
talk
about
what
you're
going
to
talk
about
when
you
get
to
that
item
during
the
council
meeting.
Okay
number
one
number,
two
brian
did
I
hear
you
say
that
this
is
third
reading,
because
I
think
it's
actually.
Second,
second.
H
E
I
think,
what's
going
to
have
to
happen
with
regard
to
item
12.
Is
this
ordinarily,
when
there's
an
item
on
a
council
agenda
that
the
chairman
or
others
want
to
remove?
Typically,
the
chairman
says:
there's
some
interest
in
removing
item
number
12
from
the
agenda.
If
there's
a
no
objection,
we'll
remove
it
subject
to
the
fact
that
there's
no
objection,
okay
and
typically,
there's
no
objection.
What
I
hear
from
councilman
flewelling
is
that
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case
here.
L
F
E
J
B
The
easiest
way
to
go
about
it,
then,
is:
if
we
decide
to
put
the
new
motion
on
the
table,
we
should
put
it
between
number
11
and
12.
So
we
talk
about
green
space
before
12.
yeah,
because
that's
going
to
dictate
what
we
decide
to
do
with
12
and
if
we
move
forward
with
the
new
12,
which
would
push
12
down
to
13,
then
there
would
be
no
question
about
removing
number
12
from
the
agenda
that.
E
A
J
A
Yeah,
when
we
get
to
item
11
after
we've
completed
item
11,
we're
going
to
ask
our
somebody's,
probably
going
to
ask
for
a
for
an
off
agenda
item
to
introduce
the
green
space
amendment
of
the
green
space
ordinance
by
a
title
only
and
we'll
discuss
that
between
11
and
12..
So
when
we
get
to
12,
12
may
be
a
moot
point
and.
J
A
E
O
A
D
D
Brian
yeah,
thank
you
yeah.
I
did
thank
you
chairman
eric
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
talk
or
have
someone
talk
just
briefly
about
the
house
out
in
chesterfield
that
that
there's,
you
know
another
problem
that
they
could.
We,
we
figure
out,
have
publicly
stated
what
what
we
intend
to
do
and
how
we're
going
to
go
about
it
for
the
record.
I
P
Chesterfield
I'll
give
you
a
brief
history.
A
few
years
ago,
the
house
we
received
reports
that
the
house
was
full
of
trash,
that
the
roof
was
caving
in
the
backyard
was
overgrown
and
in
fact
the
tenant.
The
house
was
so
full
of
trash.
The
tenant
at
that
time
had
moved
out
of
the
house
and
was
living
in
the
backyard
in
tents,
and
there
were
minors
involved
in
some
issues.
P
So
at
that
time
we
took
action
in
accordance
with
our
unfit
dwelling
ordinance.
We
sent
the
required
notifications
and
once
the
notifications
were
sent,
the
county
was
in
a
position
to
put
out
forbid
to
have
that
condition.
If
you
will
rectified
so
we
put
it
out
for
bid.
There
was
a
general
contractor
who
won
the
bid.
They
cleaned
up
the
trash
in
the
back
cleaned
the
house
out
repaired
the
roof,
and
at
that
time
the
roof
was
watertight.
P
The
drywall
was
replaced
on
the
ceiling.
All
of
the
carpet
was
removed,
anything
that
was
moldy,
anything
like
that
was
removed,
and
that
was
the
condition
of
the
house.
So
the
house
sat
the
the
amount.
I
can't
remember.
I
think
it
was
like
18
or
20
000
that
we
spent
to
do
all
of
that.
Work
was
put
on
the
tax
bill
and
the
mortgage
company
paid
that
tax
bill.
P
P
P
It
was
almost
like
a
landfill
in
the
backyard,
so
in
the
public
interest
we
removed
that
we
weren't
doing
landscaping
work
at
this
point.
The
backyard
is
overgrown.
We
send
the
notices,
but
we
don't
have
the
ability,
as
the
county
to
go
in
and
cut
somebody's
yard
for
them.
The
hoa
we've
had
discussions
with
them.
P
There's
some
discussion
about
whether
that's
their
responsibility
within
an
hoa,
whether
they
could
take
legal
action
staff
thinks
that
they
most
certainly
could
if
they
were
so
inclined,
but
that
the
yard
situation
is
up
in
the
air
and
we're
moving
forward
with
the
notices
per
our
ordinance.
So
I
hope
that
helps.
D
P
No,
sir,
not
at
all
so
the
ordinance
is
very
specific.
You
send
the
notice
we
post
the
notice
on
the
second
go
around
to
the
door,
which
we
will
do
there's
a
60-day
time.
Where
folks
have
the
opportunity
to
reply.
If
they
don't,
then
we
just
move
right
through
the
ordinance,
and
there
are
bullet
points.
A
The
fusky
ferry
melrose
landing
road
and
first
went
to
sc
code
30-4-70
discussion
of
negotiations,
incident
to
propose
contractual
arrangements
and
proposed
purchase
acquisition
of
real
property
helmsman
way
and
first
with
the
south
carolina
code,
30-4-70
receipt
of
legal
advice
where
the
advice
relates
to
pending
claims
which
are
covered
by
the
attorney-client
privilege.
This
is
malloy
litigation.
I
need
a
motion
to
go
into
executive
session
for
those
three
so
move.
Mr
chairman,
second
I'll.
Second,
in
motion
all
right.
Without
objection,
we
will
enter
a
executive
session
objections.
Q
Fort
fremont
closes
out
a
350-year
legacy
of
coastal
fortifications
in
port
royal,
sound
beginning
in
the
mid-16th
century.
It
also
represents
the
closing
chapter
of
america's
coastal
defense
system
before
the
dawn
of
air
power.
Port
fremont
is
an
example
of
the
most
advanced
military
technology
of
its
time.
It
would
parallel
the
b-17
and
aircraft
carrier
of
world
war
ii.
The
f-35
of
today
fort
fremont
was
an
important
part
of
the
beaufort
culture
very
similar
to
paris,
island
and
the
marine
corps
air
base.
Today,.
R
Island
became
the
first
capital
of
florida
and
they
explored
the
back
country
from
this
location
for
more
than
a
century,
with
the
object
of
building
a
highway
from
this
magnificent
harbor
to
mexico
city.
So
the
sound
was
known
to
the
spaniards.
It
was
known
to
the
french
who
actually
got
here
first
and
follow
and
created
the
first
protestant
colony
in
the
new
world
on
paris
island
over
my
shoulder
and
that
colony
was
a
failure.
The
spaniards
replaced
them.
R
It
was
part
of
spanish
florida
when
the
english
arrived
150
years
later,
and
this
was
became
as
a
consequence,
a
battleground
in
the
18th
century,
between
spanish
interests
in
florida
and
saint
augustine,
and
the
english
colony
in
carolina
and
in
charleston
and
back
and
forth.
These
wars
went
many
of
them
naval
wars,
many
of
them
employing
as
all
the
sailors
knew
by
then
the
magic
of
port
royal
sound
when
the
civil
war
came,
confederates
defended
the
harbor,
but
it
was
basically
indefensible
against
large
naval
forces.
R
So
the
u.s
navy
made
it
their
principal
target
during
the
beginning
of
the
civil
war
and
sent
the
largest
flotilla
of
ships
assembled
by
the
united
states
navy
in
the
19th
century,
into
port
royal
sound
on
november
november,
7
1861
in
a
four
hour.
Canon
aid,
which
would
have
been
deafening
from
where
we're
sitting
was
heard
for
miles
from
savannah
nearly
to
charleston.
It
was
called
the
day
of
the
big
gun
shoot
during
the
civil
war.
This
harbor
that
we're
looking
at
was
filled
with
ships.
There
would
be
hundreds
of
ships
in
this
harbor.
R
R
So
this
was
a
major
u.s
government
installation
in
the
heart
of
the
south.
It
was
the
headquarters
of
the
us
army
department
of
the
south,
but
more
importantly,
it
was
the
headquarters
of
the
united
states
navy,
south
atlantic
blockading
squadron.
So
the
biggest
ships
in
the
navy
were
here
and
so
it
it
became,
and-
and
that's
really
where
the
story
of
fort
fremont
starts
with
that
huge
civil
war,
military
operations
and
installations
on
hilton
head
on
saint
helena,
island
on
paris,
island
and
in
bucharest,.
S
After
the
civil
war
we're
going
to
see
a
massive
change
in
technology,
that's
going
to
revolutionize
the
military.
During
the
civil
war
we
had
ironclad
ships,
we
had
rifled
cannons,
but
they
were
all
made
out
of
iron
and
they
were
not
terribly
effective,
but
as
technology
is
going
to
change
after
the
civil
war,
we're
going
to
see
steel
produced
and
steel
is
much
harder.
So
now
we
have
a
new
material
to
make
armor
out
of
for
ships,
so
we
can
have
these
armored
ships
made
with
steel
and
a
much
more
resistance
to
shot.
S
Because
I
have
steel,
I
can
make
stronger
barrels
for
my
guns.
I
can
rifle
and
machine
these
much
better
and
the
rifling
is
the
spirals
are
cut
in
the
barrel.
That
allows
it
to
shoot
further
with
more
accuracy,
and
we
can
also
now
have
breech
loading
guns
that
can
lock
from
behind.
So
I
can
load
my
gun
from
behind.
I
don't
have
to
go
the
whole
black
powder
muzzle
loading
cannon
I
had
before
now.
I
can
fire
much
more
rapidly.
S
A
military
historian,
e.r
lewis,
would
say
that
the
change
between
the
civil
war
in
1890
in
artillery
technology
was
the
greatest
that
would
be
seen
since
invention
of
artillery
in
the
14th
century
to
the
introduction
of
the
nuclear
projectile
in
the
1950s.
So
there's
been
a
huge
change
in
gun
technology.
S
At
the
same
time,
it's
not
just
the
steel
but
also
the
powder
that
fires.
These
guns
is
different,
we're
having
new
chemical
makeup
and
so
like
cordite
is
invented
now
and
it's
still
a
widely
used
military
explosive.
Even
today,
smokeless
powder
is
invented
during
this
period
of
time,
and
it's
not
just
chemical
composition,
but
it's
the
details
of
how
you
make
the
grain
how
fast
they
burn.
So
much
like
the
skill
of
firing,
a
solid
rocket,
solid
fuel
rocket.
S
It's
that
same
kind
of
technology,
that's
been
developed
in
these
gunpowder
and
this
new
powder,
so
our
weapons
of
this
day
are
much
much
greater.
They
would
be
the
great
killing
machines
of
world
war,
one
most
the
casualties
on
the
battlefields
world
war.
One
would
come
from
artillery,
so
the
world
has
seen
a
huge
change
in
artillery
and
that's
tied
into
changes
in
ships.
We
now
have
steel,
armored
ships
they're
all
steam
powered.
S
They
are
now
equipped
with
these
fine
long-range
guns,
and
they
now
become
the
dominant
threat
of
the
late
19th
early
20th
century.
This
is
the
threat.
The
french
and
english
would
bombard
cities
like
cairo
and
reduce
them
to
rubble
because
they
were
unable
to
defend
them.
So
this
is
how
the
world
was
seeing
the
threat
from
this
new
technology.
Big
battleships,
are
the
threat
of
the
era
and
new
guns
and
fortifications
on
the
ground
are
what
you
have
to
have
to
defend
against
them.
R
S
In
1872,
robert
smalls
was
in
the
south
carolina
legislature
and
he
pushed
through
a
resolution
to
the
secretary
of
war
calling
for
them
to
put
a
navy
station
on
paris
island
and
eventually
he
would
go
into
congress
where
he
would
continue
his
support
for
a
navy
station.
Here
in
the
buford
port
royal
area.
They
eventually
opened
a
navy
station
here
and
a
coaling
station.
R
They
created
in
the
1890s
on
paris,
island,
the
largest
dry
dock
in
the
united
states.
This
is
the
period
when
the
u.s
navy
was
switching
from
sail
to
steam.
All
the
navies
of
the
world
need
coaling
station.
This
was
the
principal
coaling
station
because
of
the
railroad
for
the
caribbean
and
south
american
u.s
fleets.
This
would
be
the
biggest.
S
Dry
dock
south
of
norfolk-
in
fact,
it
is
the
only
dry
dock
south
of
norfolk
virginia,
that's
capable
of
taking
these
new
modern
battleships
and
these
new
modern
armored
cruisers.
So
this
becomes
at
this
point
a
strategic
navy
basin
that
it
had
provides
coal
and
it
provides
top-line
support
to
the
ships
and
they
can
repair
the
hulls
of
even
the
biggest
ships
in
the
u.s
navy.
S
Following
the
civil
war,
national
strategy
and
emphasis
in
the
united
states
shifted
from
to
recovery
from
war,
and
all
of
our
coastal
fortifications
went
into
neglect.
The
military
was
busy
taming
the
west
and
coastal
defenses
became
something
that
was
no
longer
important
in
the
rest
of
the
world.
Technology
is
moving
forward
and
they're
developing
these
battleships
they're
developing
new
high
quality
artillery,
and
this
is
going
on
worldwide
and
in
1885
president
grover
cleveland
appointed
endicott
board.
S
This
was
sec
headed
by
secretary
warren
decod,
william
endicott
and
the
board
would
meet
an
issue,
a
report
in
1886,
and
they
said
the
conditions
of
our
coastal
defenses
were
just
unbearable.
They
could
not
be
allowed
to
stay
like
that
and
they
made
recommendations
for
fortification
and
improvements
identified,
29
places
that
needed
fortifications
and
11
of
which
were
critical
in
that
list
of
29,
savannah
and
charleston
on
the
list.
S
R
So
the
uss
maine
was
here
on
patrol
and
in
the
harbor
and
while
they
were
in
the
harbor
several
times,
they
entertained
the
local
population.
So
the
merchants
and
the
social
leaders
and
the
political
leaders
of
beaufort
were
invited
to
come,
have
lunch
with
the
captain
of
the
ship.
Captain
sigsby
and
the
officers
got
to
know
the
people.
The
people
get
got
to
know
the
officers.
The
crew,
which
was
large,
would
go
ashore
on
payday
and
make
friends
with
everybody
in
town.
R
S
S
R
Of
course,
that
event
which
killed,
300
or
more
sailors
on
the
ship
was
very
much
followed
by
the
local
news
media
and
very
much
lamented
by
the
many
friends
that
the
crew
had
made
here.
The
destruction
of
the
uss
maine
was
a
personal
matter
to
beaufort
and
to
port
royal
sound
and
of
course
it
was
the
spanish-american
war
and
the
attempt
to
defend
this
harbor
again,
which
led
to
this.
The
creation
of
fort
fremont,
the
united
states,
declared
war
on
spain
in
in
april
1898
and.
S
By
early
may,
we
had
temporary
batteries
in
place
here,
submarine
mines
were
in
place
and
in
the
summer
they
would
actually
place
the
mines
across
the
beaufort
river.
Behind
me,
the
temporary
batteries
were
a
temporary
expedient.
They
were
located
to
my
left
about
a
thousand
yards.
They
immediately
began
construction
of
what
would
become
fort
fremont.
The
large
batteries
would
house
a
large
guns
battery
four
nance,
the
rapid
fire
guns.
A
smaller
battery
was
completed
by
june
of
1898.
in.
R
S
T
T
T
We
are
sitting
in
the
number
three
gun
position
of
a
three
gun
battery
battery
jessup,
which
had
three
10-inch
disappearing
carriage,
large
caliber
guns,
breech-loading
guns.
Their
purpose
was
to
engage
the
warships
that
might
be
entering
the
harbor
and
port
royal
sound
we're
here
now
at
the
second
battery
that
was
part
of
fort
fremont.
This
is
battery
for
nance
was
named
for
army
officer
that
was
actually
killed
during
the
spanish
american
war.
T
They
were
called
quick
fire
because
they
loaded
were
loaded
with
a
complete
cartridge
and
it
in
time
of
action.
They
could
fire
four
to
six
rounds
per
minute.
The
purpose
of
battery
for
nance
was
to
defend
the
minefield,
which
was
the
other
component
of
the
endicott
coast
artillery
or
coast
defense
system,
a
minefield
with
controlled
mines,
controlled,
meaning
that
they
were
connected
electrically
to
shore
and
could
be
fired
on
command
from
shore.
T
That
control
station
would
have
been
probably
shared
with
the
plotting
room
and
in
order
to
protect
the
minefield.
Obviously,
an
enemy
would
want
to
interfere
with
that
might
send
vessels
small
ships
in
here
at
night
to
try
to
interfere,
and
this
battery
would
take
those
vessels
under
fire.
If
there
were
some,
there
was
suspected
that
they
were
doing
something
to
interfere
with
the
mines,
such
as
pulling
up
the
cables
and
cutting
those
the.
S
V
V
If
you
can
imagine
with
these
big
guns,
they
had
to
have
skills
in
and
practicing
skills
in
artillery
mine
laying
signaling,
which
involved,
in
our
case
at
fort
fremont,
the
use
of
the
fire
control
tower,
which
was
a
pretty
sophisticated
and
advanced
signaling
technique.
Then
they
also
had
to
practice
the
typical
military
skills
marching
and
drilling
small
arms
fire,
first
aid
and
so
forth.
In
addition
to
that,
they
also
had
participated
in
athletics.
They
had
physical
training
pt
and
they
also
had
sports
teams.
S
R
Charleston's.
Natural
harbor
is
15
feet
of
water.
Port
royal
is
30
feet
of
water.
In
order
for
charleston
to
sustain
its
port,
its
commercial
port,
it
had
to
dredge
the
harbor
well,
if
they
could
get
the
navy
up
there,
they
get
the
corps
of
engineers
to
dredge
the
harbor.
That
was
the
play
and
the
the
play
for
pitchfork
ben
tillman.
The
u.s
senator
in
1900
was
that
he'd
get
a
whole
lot
more
votes
from
votes
from
the
largest
city
in
south
carolina.
R
S
The
fort
did
its
job
the
deterrent
for
anybody
that
wished
to
attack
these.
It
provided
protection,
in
fact,
the
whole
endicott
system,
although
never
challenged
in
this
era
here
in
the
united
states,
provided
some
300
major
guns,
coastal
guns
to
protect
major
areas
and
left
the
united
states
at
the
beginning
of
the
20th
century,
with
as
well
defended
coastline
as
any
place
in
in
the
world.
But
I
I
would.
R
Just
like
to
say
that
it's
a
magnificent
artifact
of
an
era
and
it's
an
era
that
has
been
neglected,
the
turn
of
the
20th
century,
the
naval
station
across
the
river
here,
and
so
it's
a
it's,
a
piece
of
history,
that's
disappearing
and
the
friends
of
fort
fremont
and
beaufort
county
have
preserved
it
for
the
use
of
the
public
and
as
a
memorial.
To
that
moment
in
history,.
Q
Fort
fremont
closes
a
350
year
story
of
homeland
security
addressing
european
imperialism
in
the
19th
century.
It's
a
tale
of
how
geography,
technology
and
national
security
creates
a
transition
for
america
to
become
a
global
power.
It's
also
a
wonderful
snapshot
of
america.
In
the
beginning
of
the
20th
century,
the
friends
of
fort
fremont
and
beaufort
county
have
a
valued
partnership,
working
in
tandem
to
preserve
the
fort's
integrity
and
promote
the
historical,
natural
and
cultural
aspects
of
the
fort
most
important.
We
are
always
looking
for
creative
ways
to
enhance
visitor
experience.
W
X
AC
X
X
AC
AD
W
Water
east
of
the
continental
divide
drains
to
the
atlantic,
while
water
west
of
the
divide
flows
to
the
pacific
and
one
drop
of
rain
can
cross
many
different
watersheds
along
the
way,
as
runoff
flows
into
rivers,
streams
and
storm
drains.
The
water
picks
up
trash
dirt
bacteria,
toxic
chemicals
and
fertilizers,
creating
a
soup
of
pollutants
that
is
extremely
hazardous
to
the
environment
and
the
consequences
of
polluted
runoff
exist
worldwide.
W
W
AG
In
many
cases,
people
mistakenly
identify
large
discharge
pipes
in
the
water
as
the
problem,
but
that
may
not
be
the
problem
it
may
be
coming
from
agricultural
runoff.
It
may
be
coming
from
storm
water
runoff
over
parking,
lots
and
impervious
surfaces.
Every
watershed
is
different
and
you
need
to
look
at
each
watershed
in
its
own
terms
and
then
think
systematically
about
how
you
remediate
how
you
clean
up
that
watershed.
AD
AH
Pollutants
in
the
water
affect
surfers
because
we're
actually
the
indicator
species
with
all
the
pollutants
when
we
are
in
the
waters,
we're
ingesting
it
through
our
skin
and
our
mouth.
Even
if
people
don't
take
a
swallow
of
water,
it's
still
getting
into
our
systems
our
ears,
any
orifice
on
your
body
and
it
causes
infections.
It
can
cause
colds
sore
throats.
At
the
very
least,
I.
W
AK
W
AD
AH
W
W
After
the
flood
of
27,
massive
levees
were
put
in
place
and
while
they
helped
protect
the
lower
mississippi
river
basin
from
flooding,
the
levees
and
other
human
activities
would
ultimately
harm
the
watershed
in
unforeseen
ways.
The
gulf
state
of
louisiana
is
the
terminus
of
the
mississippi
river.
The
mighty
watershed
that
drains
41
percent
of
the
area
of
the
lower
48
states
into
the
gulf
of
mexico.
AF
AM
AM
W
So
what
exactly
is
causing
this
dead
zone
in
the
gulf
hypoxia
develops
when
an
area
of
water
receives
excess
pollutants,
primarily
an
overabundance
of
nutrients
which
produce
large
algae
blooms
that
die
off
and
lead
to
low
oxygen,
and
since
the
mississippi
gets
fed
by
tributaries
that
flow
through
31
states.
That
adds
up
to
a
staggering
volume
of
contaminated
runoff.
AG
AF
AP
AE
W
AE
W
AM
AO
W
Eliminating
the
hypoxic
zone
will
take
more
than
saving
our
wetlands,
reducing
nutrient
runoff
in
the
mississippi
river.
Watershed
is
the
heart
of
the
problem.
It's
an
issue
involving
over
half
the
states
in
the
nation
and
a
vast
array
of
industries,
particularly
farming,
which
uses
nitrogen-rich
fertilizer
to
grow.
AO
AF
W
W
In
january
of
1996,
one
of
the
most
devastating
winter
storms
in
history,
slams,
the
east
coast,
two
feet
of
snow
dumps
on
new
york
and
throughout
the
northeast
corridor.
Schools,
airports
and
roads
are
shut
down
by
the
time
it's
over.
The
blizzard
and
resultant
flooding
caused
three
billion
dollars
in
losses
and
187
lives
are
taken
and
in
the
catskill
mountains
of
upstate
new
york,
the
snowmelt
triggers
another
potentially
devastating
crisis.
AR
H
AS
F
What
we're
looking
at
here
is
a
main
tributary
of
the
esopus
creek
during
flooding.
We
were
seeing
a
lot
of
sediment
coming
out
of
the
stream.
The
clay
gets
into
the
water
column
and
it
becomes
very
turbid,
and
then
it
makes
it
very
difficult
to
treat
and
clean
that
water
so
from
a
water
quality
perspective.
We're
very
concerned
about
erosion,
the.
W
AR
AT
Water
here
is
basically
the
water
you're
going
to
be
drinking
down
in
the
city,
and
I
feel
I've
got
a
responsibility
to
try
my
best
to
keep
it
clean
for
when
it
gets
down
there.
It
used
to
be
when
it
rained
here
on
the
farm.
The
water
that
ran
away
from
the
back
of
the
barn
here
was
full
of
mud,
manure,
and
it
would
just
run
brown
and
right
into
the
stream.
AT
W
K
H
W
R
A
A
C
D
Heavenly
father,
we
thank
you
for
all
the
gifts
you've
given
us,
but
especially
for
this
beautiful
place.
You've
created
us
to
call
home
and
all
that
you
have
provided
for
us,
but
we
pray
for
our
brothers
and
sisters
who
don't
have
a
place
to
sleep
tonight
for
those
who
have
lost
loved
ones
and
those
who
are
sick
or
afraid.
Tonight
we
ask
that
you
relieve
their
suffering
father.
Please
bless
this
assembly.
D
A
C
D
A
A
J
Yes,
mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda,
the
consideration
of
additional
information
that
has
recently
been
received
by
council
that
we
hope
to
have
discussion
on
tonight.
I
would
like
to
insert
that
item
number
12,
a
motion
to
include
on
the
agenda
a
discussion
regarding
the
green
space
ordinance,
the
proposed
green
space
ordinance,
and
I
would
then
like
to
renumber
all
of
the
items
flowing
after
number
12
and
make
item
13.
A
A
AU
A
O
A
M
A
A
AA
I
want
it
for
this
part
because,
again
to
introduce
you
all
to
three
of
our
very
capable
and
talented
employees
that
make
up
our
team.
Our
first
person
this
evening
is
unable
to
attend.
They
work
at
the
hilton
head
island
airport
and
of
course
it
was
a
long.
It's
a
long
trek
from
hilton
head
here
just
to
be
introduced
for
a
couple
of
minutes.
I'll,
certainly
understand
that
a
person's
name
is
david
lilly.
AA
AA
He
works
with
the
airport,
rescue
and
firefighting
team,
which
is
responsible
to
protect
life
in
the
event
of
an
aircraft
mishap
as
a
senior
officer
david,
is
the
leader
of
the
team
and
is
responsible
to
the
director
for
the
proper
training
and
preparation.
So
they
can
fulfill
the
strict
requirements
that
are
prescribed
by
43
cfr.
Part
139,
I'm
assuming
that's
an
faa
reg.
AA
AA
AP
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AM
AA
AA
He
does
a
lot
of
things
for
us
at
dsn,
including
orchestrating
and
facilitating
the
daily
operations
of
the
program
that
consists
of
34
staff
and,
on
average,
around
100
to
150
consumers
that
attend
the
program
with
the
assistance
of
others.
He
manages
a
fleet
of
vehicles
to
transport
consumers
to
and
from
their
homes,
as
well
as
to
their
designated
work
sites.
AA
The
many
facets
of
their
day-to-day
operations
simply
cannot
be
accomplished
without
the
backbone
and
dedication
of
his
training
supervisors
and
the
direct
support
staff.
He
does
a
lot
of
functions
does
a
lot
of
work.
He
served
in
the
us
marine
corps
and
u.s
coast
guard,
while
with
the
coast
guard,
it
was
recognized
that
he
had
extensive
aquatic
experience
and
credentials,
including
being
a
diving
instructor
for
19
years.
As
a
result,
he
was
sent
to
the
u.s
navy
diving
facility
to
become
one
of
52
divers
in
the
world
of
the
coast
guard.
AA
The
unique
part
of
this
story
is
that
his
class
was
the
last
to
ever
be
trained
in
the
old
mark.
V
diving
gear,
or
that
is
commonly
referred
to
the
old
hard
hat
brigade-
is
that
the
diving
gear
that's
got
the
bubble
thing
that
comes
on.
Okay,
all
right.
If
you
ever
saw
the
movie
men
of
honor
with
cuba
gooding.
AA
AA
AV
Thank
you
all
real,
quick,
I'm
here,
but
really
what
needs
to
be
here
are
the
currently
17
individuals
that
do
the
backbone
work
and,
as
with
everywhere,
we're
short
staffed,
and
these
guys
have
stood
up
to
the
plate
and
made
it
happen
because
the
individuals
we
were
serving
human
lives
are
working
with
human
lives
and
it's
a
challenge.
So
my
my
hats
off
to
them.
I
commend
them
for
the
work
that
they
do
and
their
dedication.
AA
AA
She
received
training
in
the
identification
of
gang
members
and
gang
affiliations
and
identifies
contraband
and
confiscate
dangerous
items
in
an
inmate's
possession.
She
is
a
native
of
beaufort
county
after
graduating
from
battery
creek
high
school
in
2007.
She
joined
the
u.s
air
force
where
she
completed
six
years
as
a
military
police
officer
in
2015.
AA
AA
AA
Her
daughter
suffered
a
concussion
internal
bleeding
and
a
fractured
spine.
She
spent
two
weeks
at
the
medical
university
of
south
carolina,
underwent
two
major
surgeries
and
was
released
with
a
back
brace
corporal
corporal
wilson
believes
in
the
in
fervent
prayer.
She
never
lost
her
faith
in
god
and
knew
that
her
daughter
would
be
all
right.
AA
A
A
Y
Y
We
are
grateful
for
senator
davis's
leadership
at
the
state
house
in
creating
this
new
tool
to
fund
conservation
at
a
regional
scale.
While
we
recognize
that
the
county's
infrastructure
is
strained,
we
agree
with
senator
davis
and
others
in
that.
The
best
way
to
address
those
strains
is
by
strategic
land
conservation,
not
by
building
more
and
wider
roads,
and
we
applaud
beaufort
county
for
recognizing
the
value
in
this
program
and
look
forward
to
participating
in
the
discussions
going
forward.
Y
One
of
the
key
features
that
I
wanted
to
point
out
about
the
the
green
space
penny
program
is
that
it's
a
regional
approach.
It's
no
secret
that
the
beaufort
jasper
region
is
growing
rapidly
and
the
effects
of
that
growth
impact
us
all
from
the
health
of
our
waterways
to
the
number
of
cars
competing
for
space
on
our
interconnected
roadways
to
the
loss
of
significant
tree
cover
and
wetland
and
flood
plains.
Y
Here
in
the
low
country,
our
land
and
our
water
are
interconnected.
Water
quality
depends
upon
the
surrounding
land
uses
and
development
patterns,
as
our
green
spaces
are
converted
into
development.
Water
quality
will
decline
and
impact
the
overall
health
of
our
watershed,
including
both
the
human
and
non-human
resources
that
that
it
sustains.
Y
It
also
changes,
aesthetics,
quality
of
life
and
the
historic
sense
of
place
that
define
this
region.
The
challenges
that
come
with
increased
growth
and
development
do
not
recognize
our
municipal
political
boundaries.
The
ripple
effects
of
large-scale
developments
in
hardyville
and
jasper
county
are
not
contained
within
their
borders,
but
they
also
flow
to
beaufort
county
residents
and
resources.
Y
The
highway
170
corridor
is
a
prime
example
of
this
playing
out
every
day
through
regional
cooperation
and
coordination
with
our
neighboring
jurisdictions.
The
green
space
penny
offers
a
tool
to
meet
regional
growth
head
on
by
pursuing
strategic
land
protection
of
property
that
shares
regional
significance
and
regional
benefits.
Y
Land
conservation
is
essential
to
counter
balancing
the
incoming
growth
in
our
region.
Overwhelmingly,
residents
cite
their
quality
of
life
and
the
natural
beauty
of
our
coast
as
the
reasons
they
are
moving
to
this
region.
Land
protection
will
assure
that
those
resources
are
protected
and
quality
of
life
is
enhanced
for
future
generations
to
come.
Y
We
are
committed
to
working
collaboratively
to
ensure
that
the
success
of
a
green
space
program
is
one
that
will
benefit
our
shared
regional
resources
and
the
shared
regional
values
that
define
this
the
beaufort
jasper
region.
We
urge
you
to
approve
first
reading
tonight
and
offer
that
the
governing
ordinance
specifically
include
emphasis
on
regional
strains
and
regional
benefits
from
land
protection.
AI
Feels
different
to
be
on
this
side
of
the
microphone
good
evening
as
you've
heard
many
times
before.
Everyone
in
the
audience
has
children
are
our
future.
Well,
as
a
beaufort
county
school
board
member,
it's
part
of
my
charge
to
ensure
that
future
their
educational
future.
So
I
ask
you
on
third
reading
tonight
to
pass
our
budget.
AI
Our
teachers
deserve
it.
You
know
our,
but
this
entire
raise
and
everything
that's
in
this
budget
is
going
to
our
teachers
we're
coming
off
a
rough
time.
We
all
are
coming
off
a
rough
time
because
of
covid.
It's
been
tough
on
everyone,
our
teachers,
our
students.
We
need
your
help.
Children
are
our
future
and
we
need
your
help
to
pass
our
budget
to
make
sure
we
can
continue
to
give
them
the
future
they
deserve.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AN
A
AQ
F
H
AQ
As
you
know,
it
had
the
potential
of
being
catastrophic.
It
had
the
potential
of
not
only
subjecting
the
county
councils
or
counties
to
the
arrears
claims
since
1997,
but
also
to
tenfold
damages
because
there's
a
section
of
the
code
that
authorizes
plaintiffs
to
recover
10
times
any
fees
or
taxes
that
are
improperly
levied.
AQ
So
what
you
were
going
to
be
facing
was
you
know,
a
group
of
taxpayers
suing
the
county
for
a
judgment
of
10
times
the
actual
damages
the
county
would
then
be
turning
around
and
taxing
the
taxpayers
in
order
to
pay
the
other
class
of
taxpayers,
with
the
only
winners
being.
The
attorney
is
that
skimmed
one
third
off
the
top
and
and
so
I
really
think
that
it
was
a
service
to
the
people
of
beaufort
county
and
the
people
of
south
carolina.
AQ
I
think
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do
and
I
commend
beaufort
county
for
taking
such
a
leadership
role
in
making
that
happen,
and
and
on
a
personal
note,
I
would
like
to
say
that
we're
going
to
miss
mr
herbert
john,
mr
rodman
and
mr
somerville
and
and
their
service,
and
in
particularly
stu
and
and
and
paul
you
guys,
have
been
extraordinary.
Are
you
you,
council
members
have
been
extraordinary
public
servants
and
it's
no
accident
that
in
the
last
several
years
we've
been
tremendously
successful
up
in
the
general
assembly
and
funding.
AQ
Some
pretty
important
capital
needs
for
120
million
dollars
from
the
hilton
head
bridges,
12
million
dollars
to
the
hilton
head
airport.
You
can
go
on
and
on
and
on
the
convocation
center
at
uscb
in
large
measure,
because
this
council
was
very
proactive
in
giving
me
and
the
delegation
the
materials
we
needed
to
make
our
case
to
senate
finance
and
health
ways
of
means,
and
you
guys
are
going
to
be
missed.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
senator
and
are
there
any
anyone
else
who
is
not
on
the
list?
Who
wishes
to
make
a
public
comment?
We
don't
discriminate,
you
can
make
the
list.
You
can
still
speak,
no
okay.
That
brings
us
to
liaison
and
committee
reports.
Are
there
any
committee
reports
that
anybody
would
like
to
make
for
liaison
reports.
AU
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
couple
things
on
the
consent
agenda.
There's
a
couple
items
coming
out
of
public
facilities:
one
is
the
ability
to
apply
for
a
grant
from
the
state
relative
to
renovations
of
the
terminal
at
the
executive
airport
in
buford.
One
is
the
approval
of
a
reward
award
for
sidewalk
work
along
rebel
road.
AU
AU
This
has
been
hanging
around
for
a
while,
and
I
think
the
money
comes
out
of
the
2018
referendum,
and
so
there's
been
a
series
of
options
that
have
been
looked
at
over
time
as
we
sorted
through
all
those.
It
appeared
that
there
were
two
kind
of
emerged
as
being
the
primary
contenders
and
both
of
them
kind
of
come
in
from
the
southeast
side
of
the
of
the
high
school,
and
so
what
we
said
was:
okay,
let's
let
the
staff
come
back
with
a
recommendation
on
each
of
those.
AU
There
were
some
comments,
good
comments
made
at
the
meeting
that
might
be
considered
as
those
options
are
worked
on.
I
think
there
were
some
subsequent
emails
about
possible
ways
to
do
that,
but
I
envision
those
coming
back
to
us
and
the
two
primary
issues
are
impact
on
the
community
and
impact
on
crystal
lake,
and
so
I
look
for
that
to
come
back
in
in
the
near
future
and
my
hope
would
be
as
everybody
works
through
it.
Maybe
the
two
sides
and
the
two
groups,
two
alternatives-
can
merge.
AU
A
A
N
Very
long
I've
got
four
separate
before
I
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
authorizing
the
county
administrator
to
continue
to
negotiate,
but
to
also
initiate
legal
action
to
establish
public
ownership
of
real
property
with
tax
map
number
r,
800
0
2
1
0,
0,
000,
0,
6
c
0,
000,
and
also
r
800
0
2
1
0
0
0
0
0,
6
b,
0
0
0
0.
Thank
you
for
putting
up
that
I'll.
Do
that
again
here
soon,
but
collectively
commonly
known
as
melrose
land.
A
C
Yeah,
so
I'm
gonna
vote
against
this.
I
do
not
agree
that
we
should
be
spending
a
lot
of
money
on
the
fussy
island,
which
is
what
this
is
going
to
cost
us
in
a
condemnation
effort
when
an
rfp
last
year
indicated
that
there
are
other
venues
that
we
can
use
onto
to
provide
ferry
service.
I
don't
think
this
is
a
a
good
use
of
taxpayer
dollars
or
an
efficient
use
of
taxpayer
dollars.
So
for
that
reason,
I'm
going
to
be
against
this.
AW
A
A
AJ
B
K
H
A
N
A
N
So
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
for
the
exact
same
same
two
parcels,
as
mentioned
in
the
previous
motion
motion
for
the
first
reading
by
title,
only
of
an
ordinance
to
appropriate
funds
in
order
to
establish
public
ownership
of
real
property.
Again,
those
same
two
parcels
that
we
just
mentioned,
collectively,
commonly
known
as
melrose
landing.
A
A
In
my
memory
it's
been
difficult.
There
have
never
been
any
easy
answers
and
this
is
not
an
easy
answer,
but
it's
it's.
The
in
my
opinion.
My
view
is
the
best
option
that
we
have,
and
I
think
it
will
not
only
benefit
the
residents,
but
I
think
it
will
help
the
island
to
develop,
which
it
certainly
wants
to
do
and
which
will
eventually
generate
tax
revenue
which
will
reimburse
us
for
some
of
the
money
we're
going
to
put
out
for
this.
So
any
other
comments.
A
N
D
Mike
thank
you
mark
for
that,
mr
chairman,
my
comment
and
I
intend
to
vote
against
this
because
it's
unspecified
how
much
money,
how
much
public
money,
the
source
of
funds
and
the
the
benefit
to
the
county
we
haven't
really
figured
out.
The
last
motion
was
to
negotiate
and
to
to
start
the
process
of
of
condemnation
if
necessary.
D
AU
AA
That's
correct,
I
mean
the
details
that
you
are
seeking.
Are
the
council
members
well
in?
The
second
would
be
in
the
ordinance
whenever
we
bring
that
forward
with
regards
to
the
amount
we
don't
have
an
exact
amount
yet
because
we
have
to
go
through
the
process
for
establishing
that
the
funding
source
is
a
general
fund
fund
balance.
AA
D
It
I
appreciate
that
eric
and
I
agree
that
they're
doing
a
great
job
on
this
matter
and
also
agree
that
it's
something
that
will
need
to
be
done.
But
in
the
last
motion
I
understood
them
to
say
that
that
negotiations
would
continue
until
some
point
undefined,
and
I
get
that
I
get.
If
it's
now
ready
to
go
to
condemnation
and
to
proceed
there,
that
we
might
not
know
the
details.
D
But
you
know,
I
think
that
when
we
sit
down
to
negotiate
a
price
with
somebody
we
need
to,
we
need
to
look
at
all
the
options.
I
think
that
there
we
haven't
explored,
grant
opportunities
or
any
other
kind
of
help,
that
we
might
be
able
to
get
our
funds
or
anything
like
that,
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
explored
before
we
proceed
with
condemnation,
and
so
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this.
If
condemnation
is
today
if
you're
starting
to
draw
up
the
papers
tomorrow,.
AU
My
understanding
is
the
the
number
that
we're
talking
about
is
roughly
eight
hundred
thousand
to
a
million
five,
and
I,
my
sense
of
the
first
motion
to
allow
for
consideration
of
negotiations
is
essentially
that,
even
though
the
other
party
has
said
they
don't
want
to
negotiate
that.
If
we're
proceeding
with
the
condemnation
that
may
open
up
the
possibility
of
negotiations,
and
so
therefore
we
need
to
provide
both
of
these
options
for
the
for
the
administration.
D
AU
B
D
D
AU
A
A
AB
D
J
N
N
AA
The
you
can't
make
this,
I
don't
think
we
properly
addressed
the
point
of
order.
I
think
council
member
flew
ellen,
asked
who
made
the
previous
motion
that
was
council
member
lawson
and
I
believe,
councilmember
rodman
seconded
the
motion
just
wanted
the
record
to
be
clear
now
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you.
I.
A
O
A
B
B
My
belief
is,
we
still
haven't
researched
all
possibilities
from
pikmi
island,
which
is
my
ultimate
desire
and
that's
something.
We've
disagreed
a
lot
with
on
county
council,
but
I
know
we
say,
there's
hurdles,
but
there's
also
hurdles
for
this,
and
I
feel
like
we're
pretty
quick
to
take
these
hurdles
on,
but
we
haven't
explored
all
the
options
for
other
locations
on
the
island,
so
I
will
be
objecting
it.
C
Yeah
so,
as
councilman
cunningham
said
much
like
the
other
half
of
this
project
that
might
be
expensive,
this
one's
gonna
be
a
multiple
of
that.
So
this
is
going
to
be
wildly
expensive.
In
my
view,
it's
a
sub-optimal
vacation.
The
ferry,
in
my
opinion,
really
should
go
on
the
island.
That's
the
only
thing
that
can
go
on
pinkney
island.
C
It
puts
it
much
further
west,
much
further,
much
closer
to
the
mainland.
So
when
we
talk
about
attracting
visitors,
tourists
workers
over
to
tofusky
island,
certainly
further
west
further
north
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
and
again
it's
just
it's
incredibly
expensive.
We
talked
about
ping
the
island
a
year
two
ago
at
this
point
and
the
numbers
that
we
were
throwing
around
then
were
much
less
the
numbers
that
were
thrown
around
now
and
at
that
point
it
was
basically
tabled
as
being
too
expensive
there.
So
I
take
issue
with
that.
AU
Mr
chairman,
let
me
speak
to
the
little
broader
view
of
where
I
think
we
are
with
it's
probably
the
second
largest
undeveloped
island,
maybe
the
largest
underdeveloped
island
on
in
the
east
coast.
What's
happening
in
the
real
estate
market,
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
interest
in
terms
of
development
of
the
fusky.
AU
Now,
if
you
look
at
why
defuski
has
not
developed
over
time,
it's
basically
because
nobody
ever
really
solved
the
marine
transportation
to
an
island,
and
the
problem
always
comes
back
to
not
a
ferry
system
but
parking.
So
what
we're
talking
about
here
on
the
mainland
is
solving
that
particular
problem.
The
staff
came
forward
with
multiple
suggestions
as
or
alternatives.
AU
So
if
you
think
about
the
landings,
melrose
itself
works
well.
If
we
do
something
with
savannah
and
it
works
well
for
day
folks,
and
it
also
works
well
for
the
residents
all
coming
out
of
wherever
they
do,
which
would
be
broad
creek.
In
this
case,
I
think
the
broad
creek
one
that
we're
talking
about
would
primarily
be
residents,
other
property
owners
that
are
renting
to
second
to
short-term
rails
and
to
workers
that
have
to
get
get
back
and
forth.
AU
I
think
the
any
of
the
day
tourists
will
probably
originate
out
of
harbor
town
going
to
the
fusky
in
savannah,
because
it's
a
much
shorter
run
and
it's
a
better
embarkation
place.
So
we
may
not
actually
need
to
buy
all
of
the
property
we're
talking
about
here.
It
is
expensive,
it's
approaching
four
million
dollars
now,
if
we
control
the
landings.
AU
There's
two
things
one
is
we
reduce
the
money,
we're
spending
now,
the
half
million
or
whatever
it
is
that
we're
talking
about,
and
if
the
island
develops.
We
then
end
up
with
tax
revenues,
and
I
think
the
combination
of
those
two
will
provide
a
relatively
quick
payback
on
the
debt
service
that
would
be
required
to
to
do
these.
The
other
one
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
is
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
to
do
it.
Tiff,
which
is
without
going
to
a
lot
of
detail.
AU
It's
a
way
to
essentially
borrow
money
by
fixing
the
current
tax
rate
and
then
using
the
growth
that
takes
place
to
fund
bonds.
That
then
could
be
used
to
develop
the
infrastructure,
and
I
think,
in
the
long
term,
that's
going
to
be
something
that
that
we
want
to
take.
Take
a
look
at
so
a
little
bit
wordy
on
that,
but,
but
I
do
believe,
there's
a
much
bigger
picture
here
than
just
buying
a
piece
of
property
and
putting
a
landing,
and
I
think
this
is
integral
to
the
development
of
daufuskie.
Mr
chairman,.
N
Oh,
I'm
sorry
go
ahead,
but
yeah.
Let
me
let
me
just
add
to
that.
Obviously,
the
fusky
is
a
place
that
I've
represented
and
love
the
people
over
there
and
what
they
do,
and
we've
also
promised
the
buckingham
landing
people
that
we
would
move
from
that
location
as
soon
as
we
possibly
can
so
again.
That
is
something
else
that
we
as
we
move
forward.
Our
staff
has
worked
very
hard
to
locate
destination
spots
that
we
can
own
both
sides
on
the
fussy
side
on
the
mainland
side.
N
If
we
control
those
two
points,
then
we
control
our
future.
We
control
the
ferry
in
the
future
and
and
as
stu
alluded
to,
hopefully,
at
that
point,
if
we
control
both
landings,
we'll
have
private
enterprises
that
step
in
pick
up
and
are
able
then
to
provide
ferry
service
and
also
that,
as
we
mentioned
parking
on
on
both
sides.
So
this
is
something
that,
if
we
do
not
do
this,
the
cost
the
ferry
will
continue
to
go
up.
It'll
be
limited
service
and
that's
something
else.
The
fusky
pays
taxes
like
everybody
else.
N
We
do
the
ferry
service.
It
is
going
to
maintain
their
values.
Maintain
what
they
pay
in
taxes,
which
again
is
going
to
pay
us
back
in
in
numerous
holds
to
help
pay
for
this
in
in
the
long
run.
So
this
is
something
that's
not
we're
just
not
doing
for
this
year
right
now.
This
is
something
that
we're
looking
forward
to
for
for
years
to
come
and
again,
if
we
own
both
landings,
it
will
be
in
perpetuity
that
we'll
have
established
a
a
a
place
either
end
and,
as
we've
all
seen,
prices
only
keep
going
up.
N
B
I
don't
think
the
discussion
really
comes
down
to
do.
We
want
to
own
mainland
and
a
spot
on
deposit.
I
don't
that's
not
the
disagreement.
We
have.
I
mean
that
that
makes
perfect
sense.
The
question
is
where's
that
location
and
how
do
we
go
about
doing
it?
Where
does
that
line
get
drawn
of
the
way
to
go
about
it,
and
this
this
project
easily
will
go
north
of
10
million.
When
it's
done?
B
That's
fair
and
that's
a
valid
argument.
They
are
tax,
paying
citizens
of
beaufort
county,
but
we
don't
owe
it
to
developers
or
to
residents
that
don't
currently
live
there,
the
residents
on
beaufort
county.
What
on
the
mainland?
What
benefit
do
they
have
of
this?
In
that
location,
I
mean
the
things
that
I've
discussed
on
pinkney
island
is
a
discovery
center,
that
our
schools
can
go
used
to
that
our
visitors
can
go
to
operated
by
beaufort
county
like
we
have
in
other
places.
B
A
A
That's
what
they
called
it:
the
savannah
boat
when
there
was
a
ferry
service
and
my
uncle
harry
burr
was
the
chief
engineer
on
the
cliveden,
which
was
the
last
ferry
boat
that
went
between
savannah
and
hilton,
head
buford
and
defusky,
and
so
I
think-
and
I
remember
my
mother
saying
that
you
could
only
buy
meat
on
tuesday
because
that's
when
the
savannah
boat
came
in
so
anyway,
I
I
think
would
be
great
for
expansion
of
tourism
as
well
as
the
development
of
the
island.
I'm
certainly
going
to
support
it.
B
H
K
A
N
N
A
B
D
A
A
And
that
brings
us
to
item
number
10,
which
is
the
third
reading
of
an
ordinance
to
make
appropriations
for
county
government
special
purpose
districts
for
beaufort
county
for
the
fiscal
year,
beginning
july,
1st
2022
and
ending
june
30th
2023..
This
is
our
county
budget.
Do
I
have
a
motion
for
the
county
budget
for
22.?
Make
that
version
wait
a
second
we
have
the
first.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
floor.
Do
we
have
any
discussion
we
talked
about
this?
A
AU
When
my
second
reading,
we
had
a
discussion
about
a
certain
dollar
sign,
I
forgot
what
it
was
relative
to
the
solicitor's
office,
where
we
provide
funds
to
help
prosecute
dui
cases
and
dui
cases
that
the
first
time
they
go
to
the
magistrates
court
and
beyond
that
they
go
through
the
regular
court
system.
There's
a
second
one,
and
I
think
we
said
we
would
come
back
and
and
revisit
that
as
to
whether
we
wanted
to
have
it
and
not
have
it.
AU
So
I
said
well,
how
do
you
run
the
the
the
attorneys
and
he
said
relative
to
schedule,
the
the
dockets
controlled
by
the
magistrates,
so
the
solicitor's
office
doesn't
control
when
those
particular
items
come
through
and
the
way
they
manage
it,
which
seems
to
be
what
they
do.
Other
places
in
the
country
is
instead
of
having
dedicated
attorneys
that
prosecute
just
these
cases,
they
use
it
as
fill-in.
AU
So
if
you
have
x
number
of
attorneys,
they
may
be
spending
5,
10
15
of
their
time,
going
to
magistrates
court
to
handle
these
particular
items.
Now
solicitor
said
you
know
he
was
kind
of
happy.
If
some,
if
we
wanted
him
to
do
it,
it
was
they
were
kind
of
happy.
If
we
wanted
to
have
somebody
else
like
to
have
an
attorney
at
the
sheriff's
to
do
it,
so
he
was.
He
was
indifferent
on
that.
I
I
do
tend
to
think.
AU
If
I
was
an
attorney,
I
would
rather
be
doing
this
on
a
occasionally,
as
opposed
to
being
full-time
going
to
magistrates
court
to
deal
with
duis
but
in
any
event
we're
the
ones
that
asked
them
to
do
this.
So
the
real
question
is:
should
we
continue
it
and
I
think
we
just
heard
from
the
young,
the
young
lady,
that
was
here
that
was
hurt
in
a
dui,
so
it
does
seem
to
me
want
to.
AU
We
want
to
continue
it
and
as
if
the
solicitor
doesn't
care
it
seems
to
me
we
ought
to
take
the
money
and
either
give
it
to
the
sheriff
and
let
him
do
it
if
he
wants
to
or
let
the
solicitor
do
it,
but
in
either
way.
I
think
we'd
be
short-sighted.
If
we
discontinued
the
program,
are
you
making
a
motion?
Well,
we
had
a
discussion
where
we
wanted
to
go.
AU
J
I
J
N
J
AU
J
AU
AW
AW
AX
Yes,
so
beaufort
county
did
increase.
The
public
defenders
contribution
is
coming
from
our
county.
As
her
office
receives
funding
from
a
circuit
of
counties.
There
are
five
all
together,
we
did
increase
our
funding.
However,
her
fund,
as
it
currently
sits,
the
expenditures
for
fiscal
23,
are
not
fully
covered,
but
that
is
not
because
of
beaufort.
That
is
because
the
other
counties
that
are
participants
in
that
district
and
for
whom
she
serves
have
not
correspondingly
increased
their
budgets
for
their
personnel.
AW
AX
Her
employees
that
work
for
beaufort
county
are
more
than
covered
by
our
contribution.
Specifically,
our
employees
account
for
67
percent
of
her
total
personnel
budget,
yet
buford's
contributions
when
compared
to
the
other
counties
that
participate
in
funding.
Her
program
pays
for
78
percent.
So
if
you
want
to
look
at
brass
tax,
we
are
contributing
approximately
11
percent.
More
than
what.
AW
AW
AW
AW
AA
When
the
study
comes
back,
we're
going
to
need
more,
so
a
couple
of
things
are
going
on
with
regards
to
that.
Most
of
the
increase
that
you
see
for
pals
in
the
current
budget
is
because
we've
had
to
hire
additional
staff
in
response
to
us
being
successful
in
our
bid
with
the
low
country
council
governments
to
take
over
the
senior
program.
That's.
AA
AA
As
do
I
about
the
condition
of
parks
and
rec
facilities,
we
have
programmed
some
money
for
continued
improvements
in
to
the
pals
budget
to
help
with
some
of
those
improvements
that
are
necessary
that
when
the
study
comes
back,
I
think
we're
going
to
be
fine
for
the
budget
year
based
on
the
study
with
regards
to
improvements,
because
we
will
have
to
program
those
things
as
a
part
of
next
year's
budget
in
order
to
put
in
the
funding
necessary
to
implement
that
plan.
That
plan
will
not
be
to
us
until
sometimes
in
in
december.
P
So,
thanks
for
the
question
we
applied,
we
didn't
apply.
We
submitted
an
application
for
an
rfp.
The
total
amount
that
it's
going
to
cost
the
county
to
run.
The
program
is
right:
around
750
000,
okay,
there
was
a
maximum
that
elkhog
could
increase
the
funding
because
of
how
state
law
is
written
and
the
total
amount
that
we're
going
to
get
is
about
525,
000,
okay,
so
there.
AC
P
P
And
that's
that's
because
it's
split
up
in
different
locations
right!
You
have
staffing.
We
have
a
number
of
the
folks
who
are
going
to
work
in
that
are
considered.
Temporary
employees
I.e.
Bus
drivers
are
temporary
part-time
so
that
those
numbers
would
come
out
of
the
temporary
line
item,
not
the
staff.
So
when
you're
the
full-time
staff
that
receive
benefits.
So
when
you're
looking
through
it,
it's
not
all
in
one
location
in
the
budget.
P
P
Some
of
that
I
think,
was
paid
out
of
the
not
the
fund
balance
but
the
the
surplus
there's
the
word.
In
addition,
there
is
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
repairing
broken
items
as
in
playgrounds,
things
of
that
nature,
there's
additional
money
for
drainage
and
other
repairs
on
fields,
things
of
that
nature,
and
I'm
I
don't
have
the
spreadsheets
in
front
of
me,
so
I'm
just
going
through
them
and
the
other
big
ticket
item
was
we
had
a
couple
of
vehicles
and
then
some
additional
staff
for
programming.
P
AW
AW
Sir
okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
one
last
question,
mr
chairman:
it
deals
with
the
the
funding
for
room
and
critical
and
the
money
that's
in
room
and
critical,
and
it
has
it
they
have
it
for
different
sites.
Is
that
money
coming
out
of
our
budget
or
is
it
coming
out
of
the
rule
in
critical
funding.
AA
You're
talking
about
you
talking
about
to
develop
parks,
yeah
yeah
to
develop
parks
comes
out
of
the
ruling
critical
lands
money.
I
think
five
million
was
awarded
to
the
passive
parks
program
for
the
development
of
passive
parks
we
do
have.
We
now
have
reached
a
point,
and
there
is
a
new
personnel
item
in
the
in
the
regular
budget
to
hire
a
park
ranger
for
us
to
be
able
to
send
someone
around
to
check
on
the
parks
to
make
sure
trash
is
picked
up.
AW
P
Yep
there
was
one
thing
that
I
left
out
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
are
all
aware
of,
and
that
is
maintenance
equipment,
lawnmowers,
blowers,
some
very
large
field,
mowing
equipment,
rakes
and
a
couple
of
vehicles.
That's
a
little
over
350
thousand
dollars
worth
of
equipment
that
we're
purchasing
so
and
we're
replacing
stuff
that's
30
years
old.
So
none
of
it's
extravagant
spending,
a
maintenance
budget.
A
A
A
A
AU
AU
AU
Back
back
several
months
ago,
when
I
was
meeting
with
the
district,
I
asked
what
we
needed
as
the
number
to
be
competitive
and
the
number
the
number
was
put
on
the
table
was
50.
when
we
got
to
first
reading
and
we
were
talking
about
it,
there
were
several
council
members
that
I
interpreted
said
hey.
AU
Well,
we
got
the
second
reading
and
that
was
not
forthcoming,
and
so
I
raised
the
issue
again
and
said
you
know.
My
sense
was-
and
I
couldn't
speak
for
council,
but
that
there
were
members
that
were
sensitive
to
that
and
might
be
willing
to
consider
a
tax
increase
and
some
of
the
discussion
along
the
way
was
you
know
we
got
all
these
numbers
of
vacancies
and
we
got
teachers
that
when
they
decide
to
come
here,
they
find
out.
AU
They
can't
afford
to
live
here
and
we're
comparing
our
salaries
to
other
places
around
the
state,
but
not
really
taking
into
account
cost
of
living,
and
there
was
an
email
that
came
across
today.
That
said,
hilton
head
and
beaufort
and
bluffton
are
the
two
most
expensive
places
in
the
state
to
live
from
a
cost
of
living
standpoint.
AU
So
I
you
know,
I
think
we
ought
to.
You
know
pass
this,
but
I
I'm
still
very
receptive-
and
I
hope
council
would
be
that
if
you
all
came
back
as
a
supplemental
and
said,
look
we'd
really
like
to
fix
the
problem
and
here's
what
we
think
it
would
cost.
I
think
you'd
find
that
this
council
would
be
sensitive
to
that.
AU
AY
AY
As
you
know,
employee
compensation
has
been
at
the
very
heart
and
the
priority
of
this
budget.
We
have
vetted
different
possibilities
and,
in
being
fiscally
responsible,
we've
considered
the
potential
for
uncertain
times
economic
times
ahead.
That
may
lie
ahead
and
believe
that
this
budget
positions
us
to
best
deal
with
the
possible
economic
uncertainty
that
could
exist.
AY
And
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
spirit
with
which
you
speak
and
with
the
intentions
with
which
you've
spoken
about
about
that
number
and
and
around
employee
compensation,
and
we
will
definitely
be
counting
on
that
support.
As
we
systematically
continue
to
move
our
compensation
as
the
uncertainty
around
economic
times.
I
had
lifts
I'd
like
to
ask
miss
crosby
to
step
up
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
little
more
specific
in
detail
for
you.
Z
Z
So
unless
another
district
did
something
really
substantial,
I
believe
it's
going
to
place
us
at
the
top
of
the
scale.
In
addition
to
that
45
000.
This
district
still
has
in
place
a
2500
locality
supplement
for
teachers
and
in
addition
to
that,
the
board
passed
a
two
thousand
dollar
retention
bonus.
So
technically
this
school
year,
our
teachers,
starting
teachers,
will
receive
forty,
fifty
thousand
sixty
six
dollars
in
compensation.
Z
So
we
intend
to
continue
to
increase
our
efforts
by
raising
the
base
teacher
salaries
in
future
years,
but
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
can
sustain
those
costs,
particularly
in
the
face
of
potential
economic
downturns,
and
we
all
know
with
the
inflation
right
now.
It
is
only
a
matter
of
time
before
we
see
some
downturn
turn
and
housing
costs
and
so
on.
Z
The
current
compensation
increases
amount
to
19
million
dollars
and
states
giving
us
2.5
million
dollar
increases
in
state
revenue,
buford's
being
funded
at
a
fraction
of
the
cost
to
sustain
those
increases.
Those
the
mandated
increases
that
they're
providing
and
it
amounts
to
about
13
percent
of
those
increases.
Z
The
cost
of
of
moving
an
additional
the
remaining
locality
supplement
and
an
additional
two
thousand
dollars
to
meet
the
base.
Salary
of
fifty
thousand
dollars
will
cost
the
district
six
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
which
we
will
get
no
additional
funding
from
the
states.
So
this
is
the
but
the
risk
of
being
able
to
sustain
that.
I
think,
is
much
greater.
We
can't
quantify
it,
but
we
will.
Z
Z
What
this
is
going
to
do
is
draw
a
lot
of
attention
at
the
state
level
to
really
continuing
to
push
forward
and
every
one
of
us
every
school
district
moving
forward
ahead
of
the
other,
and
it's
going
to
draw
a
lot
of
attention
at
the
state
level
and
hopefully
allow
our
state
legislation
to
pursue
continue
to
increase
levels
that
we've
seen
this
year,
and
so
we
can
only
that
will
only
be
a
win
for
all
of
us.
So
with
that
I'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
or
comments,
you
have.
A
N
Yes
and
obviously
I
support
the
budget.
What
you've
got
you
guys
do
a
great
job-
and
I
know
you've
mentioned
that
all
the
money
that
that
the
increase
now
is
when
we
cover
pay
increases
for
teachers.
So
the
big
question,
though,
and
again
put
you
on
a
spot,
but
I
also
give
you
a
platform.
Is
we've
seen
so
much
with
the
school
shooting
in
in
texas?
N
AY
AY
B
Z
If
we
had
done
that,
we
would
have
basically
restarted
the
budget
process,
because
it
would
be
a
substantive
change
between
second
and
third
reading
and
would
have
required
the
board
to
vote
again
and
then
go
through
three
more
readings
with
council,
which
would
probably
put
us
into
mid-august
approving
this
budget.
So
we've
requested,
we
district
staff,
chose
to
move
forward
request
with
this
request,
as
as
approved
by
the
board,
did.
B
They
have
any
open
discussions
about
it,
whether
it
was
brought
like
back
to
the
agenda
item
just
to
give
them
the
information
hey.
This
is
what
came
to
us
from
council.
These
are
the
numbers
we
came
up
with
the
percentage.
I
know
you
guys
are
banking,
the
mills
right
now
for
the
future
to
use
for
another
project,
but
was
it
ever
brought
for
them
to
have
the
opportunity
to
voice
their
opinions,
see
who
support
it?
Who
didn't
support
it.
L
Federich
district
4.-
I
just
wanted
to
address
that.
You
know
we
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
for
anything
on
an
agenda.
Just
like
you
all
do.
What
I
think
was
unclear
to
you
all
is
that
we
knew
that
we
were
the
first
of
50..
We
already
knew
that
we
knew
with
the
supplemental
income
the
2500
with
the
two
thousand
dollar
retention.
L
We
knew
that
we
were
going
to
provide
to
our
first
year
teachers
over
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Fifty
thousand
sixty
six,
so
I
personally
did
not
need
to
discuss
that
anymore
because
I
knew
we
were
already
there.
I
understand
that
maybe
you
all
did
not
realize
that,
because
the
actual
starting
salary,
the
recurring
costs,
are
not
at
50.
L
all
right,
but
we
knew
we
were
already
the
first
of
50.,
so
we
did
not
discuss
in
an
open
session,
but
a
number
of
the
board
members
right.
We
all
knew
that
already,
so
I
didn't
feel
the
need
to
bring
it
to
an
agenda
and
I'll
only
speak
for
myself.
I
apologize.
I
have
a
cold.
You
know
I
sound
like
I'm
very
congested.
B
A
A
AY
A
A
J
J
So
number
12
is
now
a
motion
to
introduce
an
ordinance
by
title
only
to
levy
and
impose
a
sales
and
use
tax
subject
to
referendum
within
beaufort
county
in
support
of
the
county,
green
space
sales
tax
act
recently
enacted
by
the
south
carolina
general
assembly,
and
I
think
that
should
claim
that
you
clarify
it
pretty
well
right
tom
you're
welcome.
You
need
a
second
a.
AQ
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Before
I
begin
I
I
neglected
to
when
I
thank
mr
herbert
and
mr
robin
and
and
you,
mr
chairman,
for
your
service.
I
didn't
see
mr
flowelling
at
the
dais
and
and
I
neglected
to
realize
that
he
was
participating.
Virtually
he's
certainly
served
since
2009
excellent
years
of
service
he's
going
to
be
well
missed
and
I'm
confident
that
there's
there's
things
from
store
in
the
future
for
him
as
well.
AQ
So
I
did
want
to
mention
that
the
second
thing
I'd
like
to
mention
before
I
get
into
this
particular
green
space
proposal
is
to
complement
county
council
and
the
the
committee
it
appointed,
I
think,
was
headed
by
dean
moss
to
identify
the
the
the
road
priority
projects
in
beaufort
county.
I
think
they
did
a
good
job
of
of
looking
at
where
the
needs
were.
AQ
AQ
AQ
We've
got
a
billion
dollars
that
we're
simply
not
spending
this
year,
we're
putting
into
a
contingency
reserve
fund
that
we
can
spend
for
whatever
purpose
we
want
in
out
years,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
that
road
funding
is
going
to
be
one
of
those
priority
items,
and
so,
I
think,
there's
an
excellent
opportunity
with
with
all
the
money.
That's
that's
sort
of
swimming
around
the
system
right
now,
looking
for
a
home,
so
to
speak,
it
would
be
a
good
idea.
AQ
AQ
If,
when
you
go
to
the
voters,
for
a
penny
sales
tax
or
a
pro-rata
portion
for
road
projects
to
have
done
this
additional
degree
of
diligence
to
demonstrate
and
tell
the
public
that,
yes,
we
tried
to
get
it
funded
and
were
were
unable.
So
in
any
way.
I
want
to
start
making
those
comments
in
regard
to
the
thing
that's
before
us
right
now,
the
this
local
option
sales
tax
penny
for
open
space.
AQ
It
has
enjoyed
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
it's
been
up
for
three
or
four
times
to
authorize
the
borrowing
of
funds
and
I
believe
it
always
gets
approved
in
the
mid
70s
and
and
so
it's
something
intuitively
people
in
beaufort
county
understand
that
there's
something
about
beaufort
county's
ecosystem,
the
water,
the
land,
the
marshes
that
makes
us
unique
and
and
in
large
measures
the
reason
why
people
are
coming
here
in
droves-
I
mean
they
want
to
live
here.
I
mean
it's
a
great
place
to
live.
AQ
AQ
AQ
You
see
hundreds
of
acres
of
land
being
developed
on
moss,
with
with
trees
being
cut
down
and
with
roads
being
put
in
and
with
houses
going
up
and
the
co-committed.
You
know
environmental
degradation
that
follows,
and
it's
happening
before
our
very
eyes,
and
so
I
would
argue
that
it's
an
exigent
circumstance.
AQ
You
know
throughout
the
state,
but
I
think
this
need
is
particularly
acute
here
in
beaufort
county
because
of
our
fragile
ecosystem,
and
so
what
I
would
propose-
or
what
I
would
suggest
and
urge
you
to
consider-
is
a
a
half
penny
sales
tax,
as
opposed
to
a
penny.
I
I
think,
that's
that's
a
nod
in
in
in
part
to
that
it
is
a
new
program
and
I
think
it's
important
to
instill
some
public
confidence,
but
also
because
the
economy
is
is
obviously
strained
right
now
with
the
prices
rising.
AQ
Although
I
would
note
that
the
half
penny
sales
tax,
if
approved,
would
not
apply
to
gasoline
would
not
have
product
groceries.
Those
are
exempt
from
the
sales
tax,
but
in
any
event,
it
is
still
a
difficult
time
and
you're
swimming
upstream
to
get
something
like
this
passed,
and
so
what
I
would
suggest
is
is
for
the
same
10-year
period
that
the
the
road
transportation
committee
was
considering.
AQ
But
but
obviously
that's
that's
something.
That's
within
your
discretion.
I
I
do
think
that
that
we
have
the
benefit
here
in
beaufort
county
of
having
seen
the
rural
and
critical
lands
program
work.
We
have
an
idea
of
where
expertise
lies.
I
think
I
think
county
council
has
a
pretty
good
idea
of
who's
astute
in
regard
to
identifying
lands
that
are
particularly
vulnerable.
AQ
AQ
You
can
buy
down
zoning,
you
can
you
can
do
any
number
of
things,
but
I
think
it
would
be
particularly
proud,
and
I
think
that
that
you
should
and
beaufort
county
should
be
particularly
proud,
and
we
were
the
first
ones
to
take
advantage
of
this
and
we
were
the
ones
to
show
the
rest
of
the
state.
This
is
how
you
go
about
taking
care
of
things
in
your
own
backyard.
AQ
This
is
how
you
go
about
making
the
case
of
the
people
and
getting
it
passed.
I'm
ready
to
get
to
work.
I
mean
I
I'm
ready
to
spend
the
summer
and
the
fall
and
and
and
working
to
talk
to
my
constituents
about
this,
and-
and
I
hope
that
you
give
it
farewell-
consideration
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
all
might
have.
Thank.
AW
AW
Support
the
program
believe
in
the
program
one
of
the
things
that
in
the
rural
critical
land
program,
we
deal
with
landowners
and
it's
a
voluntary
kind
of
thing,
and
we
basically
have
done
a
considerable
amount
of
green
space
development
rights
fee
simple.
What?
Basically
the
things
you
just
talked
about.
Yes,
sir,
the
green
belt
to
me
seems
a
little
different
in
that
with
the
green
belt.
You
are
now
able
to
go
in
and
pocket
developers
and
also
municipalities
or
other
entities
that
have
given
development
puds
to
developers.
AQ
Say
is
this
like
rural
critical
lands
program
would
would
be
a
voluntary
approach.
I
mean
that
there'd
be
you're,
not
talking
about
use
of
dominant
domain
or
condemnation
powers.
It
would
be
on
a
voluntary
basis,
just
like
we're
on
critical
lands.
The
difficulty
in
in
in
skinning
this
cat
attack
on
this
problem,
given
by
way
of
example,
bluffton
it's
it's
town
limits.
Ninety
percent
of
bluffton
is
already
under
operating
development
agreements
or
putts.
I
mean
they
got
it.
They
got
it
maxed
out.
AQ
It's
like
cancer
cells
that
are
lying
dormant
and
about
to
spring
out
okay.
So
so,
if
you
really
want
to
get
to
the
heart
of
this
problem,
I
think
that
opening
up
buying
up
open
space
and
green
space
and
critical
lands
and
headwaters
and
areas
like
that
is
critically
important,
and
I
think
that's
job
number
one,
but
what
this
statute
authorizes
not
requires,
but
authorizes
the
county
to
do
if
it
wants
to
is
to
purchase
densities
that
have
previously
been
approved,
and
now
obviously
that
would
be
subject
to
a
negotiation
between.
AQ
If
you
decided
to
do
that
between
the
county
and
and
the
developer-
and
you
know
I
certainly
speaking
for
myself-
would
not
be
an
advocate
for
for
paying
anything
near,
you
know
market
value.
For
those
I
mean
it
would
it
would
have
to
be
going
in
and
buying
it
on
a
discount
basis.
I
would
think
voluntarily
from
these
developers,
so
you
know
I
I
don't.
AQ
I
don't
see
it
as
a
bailout
or
or
line
in
their
pockets,
but
it
is
an
option
because
I
do
think
if
you're
going
to
tackle
the
problem
here,
we
have
to
frankly
acknowledge
that
what
we're
dealing
with
now
is
a
lot
of
rights
that
are
already
vested
a
lot
of
rights
that
are
already
operating
under
development
agreements
and-
and-
and
you
remind
me
to
make
a
point
that
I
should
have
made
earlier.
Mr
glover
is
that
this
thing
won't
work
this
this
this
won't.
AQ
And
and-
and
I
appreciate
in
jasper,
county
in
particular-
it's
been
a
long
time
since
they've
had
a
tax
base
and
and
their
citizens
have
gone
after
some
of
the
of
the
of
the
services
that
we
here
in
buford
can't
take
for
granted.
But
my
gosh,
I
mean
you,
you
see
the
hundreds
of
acres
that
they're
thinking
about
developing
at
the
headwaters
and
adjacent
to
the
rivers
and
it's
just
going
to
ruin
things
and
there's
going
to
be
some
hard
conversations.
B
B
I'll
tell
you,
though,
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
not
like
about
the
transportation
tax
was
the
longevity
of
it.
The
10
years
kind
of
scares
me
just
because
of
the
way
beaufort
county
changes
so
rapidly
things
that
made
sense
at
one
time.
Don't
make
sense
now,
so
I
was
running
some
numbers
right
here.
We
have
half
a
cent
for
10
years
which
equals
out
to
about
35
million
a
year
if
we
did
a
full
cent
for
four
years.
B
The
same
argument
you
have
for
going
with
the
half
a
cent
to
put
the
faith
into
the
council,
make
sure
we're
doing
this
properly,
because
it's
a
pilot
program
is
the
same
argument.
I
use
for
the
shorter
term
willing
to
go
for
one
cent
to
go
towards.
You
know
four
and
lower
down
to
four
years
to
say:
hey
we're
being
active,
we're
focusing
on
these
areas
and
we
are
actually
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
to
lower
the
density.
At
this
time
frame.
B
AQ
AQ
AQ
That's
going
to
make
a
difference
and
whether
you
do
it
over
a
10-year
amortization,
with
a
half
penny
or
you
do
it
over.
You
know
half
that
time
at
a
full
penny.
It's
I
either
way
either
way
for
me
is
is
fine.
The
only
thing
I
would
note
is
that
politically,
it
may
be
more
of
a
lift
to
have
a
full
penny,
because
people
tend
to
focus
on
that
aspect
of
it,
as
opposed
to
the
duration.
J
during
the
period
of
time
in
23
and
24,
the
possibility
exists
that
we
could
collect
enough
funding
from
that
free
fall
of
cash.
That's
coming
to
the
state
without
imposing
a
one
cent
sales
tax
on
our
on
our
citizens,
and
we
would
be
able
to
get
that
money
working
with
the
delegation
that
you're
a
member
of
to
bring
that
money
to
us.
And
if
we
found
after
two
years
that
that
did
not
work,
we
could
then
go
back
with
a
referendum
recommendation
to
get
the
money
we
need,
but
hoping
during
that
two-year
period.
J
With
collaboration
of
the
delegation
that
you're
a
member
of
we
could
have
money
come
into
us.
So
we
would
be
able
to
start
the
work
on
the
road
and
the
pathways
and
the
other
things
we're
doing,
but
at
the
same
time
maybe
collect
either
a
half
penny
or
a
full
penny
to
stop
the
development
that
we're
seeing
that's
ruining
the
environment.
J
That's
brought
us
all
here
and
would
give
us
an
early
start
on
perhaps
buying
some
land
in
the
rural
and
critical
lands
program
and
also
perhaps
stop
some
of
the
500
house
projects
and
perhaps
make
those
two
or
300
homes
rather
than
500
and
at
the
same
time,
accomplish
everything
we're
trying
to
do
without
imposing
two
taxes
at
once.
For
that
two-year
period,
where
we
could
get
federal
and
state
money
and
then
do
something
with
the
the
green
space
sales
tax
effort
does.
AQ
And
the
last
thing
I
would
say-
and
I
should
have
mentioned
it
earlier-
the
reason
why
something
like
this
is
is
necessary
and
that
you
just
don't
impose
a
moratorium
is
because
you
run
into
inverse
condemnation
problems
when
you
do
that.
You
we've
already
given-
and
I
say
we
because
I'm
a
member
of
beaufort
county-
and
I
said
this
in
beaufort
county.
We
did
it
or
municipalities
or
counties
whatever
we've
already
given
developers
vested
rights
and
if
there
were
going
to
be
a
moratorium
imposed
or
something
you
know,
sort
of
like
a
top-down.
AQ
Would
be
in
court
with
inverse
condemnation,
actions
and
probably
most
likely
would
lose.
I
think
what
what
makes
this
appealing
and
made
it
appealing
to
my
colleagues
in
the
center
on
both
sides
of
the
eye
was:
it
is
a
market
approach.
It's
a
voluntary
approach.
It's
it's
the
county
sitting
down
across
the
table
and
seeing
whether
or
not
a
deal
can
be
voluntarily
struck.
So
you
don't
bring
in
those
aspects
of
inverse
congregation
to
it.
J
AQ
AQ
M
Is
kind
of
getting
in
the
weeds,
but
I
know
you
can
give
us
a
good
example
of
it.
I
look
at
the
seven
options
for
preservation,
procurements
and
I'm
familiar
with
many
of
them
through
our
rural
and
critical
lands
program,
but
leases
with
options
to
purchase.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
see
that
working?
Because
you
know
you're
going
to
buy
a
lease
with
this
tax
money?
It
doesn't
seem
like
a
really
good
option.
I.
AQ
I
mean
all
of
us
have
been
up
in
the
air
and
looked
down
and
you
see
the
finite
amount
of
land
that
there
is
and
the
number
of
of
cars
squeezing
through
is
like
blood
through
a
clotted
artery.
I
mean
it's
just
it's
just
you
can't
you
can't
do
anything
about
it,
except
maybe
within
the
blood.
So
anyway,
that's
my
medical
announcement.
AQ
A
AW
AQ
I
AQ
AW
Yes,
sir,
and
they
did
a
great
job
and
I
I
do
believe
in
both
sides,
so
I
I'm
really.
You
know
in
favor
of
the
penny,
even
to
the
point
now
of
of
of
half
and
half
and
allowing
at
least
350
for
the
infrastructure
354
buying
down
density.
I
don't
think
we
can
come
out.
If
we're
going
to
sell
a
penny,
I
don't
think
we
can
sell
to
referendum.
I
don't
care
whether
there's
a
half
a
penny
on
each
one.
AW
E
AQ
C
K
AQ
It
can
if,
if,
if
you're,
in
a
jurisdiction
where
the
growth
is
accompanied
by
the
impact
fees
that
we
ordinarily
associate
with
with
growth,
whether
it
be
roads
or
schools
or
any
number
of
things,
I
think
south
carolina
is-
is
relatively
constrained
in
that
regard.
Although
we
did
do
a
positive
step
with
the
roads
fee,
I
think
we
reinstituted
that
and
reauthorized
that,
and
that
is
something
you
can
continue
to
leverage.
So
that
certainly
helps
so
I
think,
under
the
right
circumstances,
with
appropriate
impact
fees
to
cover
externalities
assigned
to
a
developer.
AQ
I
think
it
can,
but,
but
I
would
submit
to
you
that
that
our
problem
here
is
that
not
I
mean
growth
can't
pay
for
itself
because
of
the
type
parameters
within
which
that
growth
is
taking
place
and
the
congestion
that
it
causes
and
the
degradation
of
the
environment.
It
causes
it's
not
like
you're
in
in
greenville
or
in
a
space
that
that
that
has
a
lot
of
land
work,
we're
very,
very
finite
in
regard
to
the
amount
of
land
we
have
and
and
very
constrained
as
to
where
the
bridges
are.
AQ
C
I
would
tend
to
agree,
I
think
it's
interesting,
the
way
that
you
phrase
that
that
it
can,
but
as
a
practical
matter,
I
would
be
curious,
curious
of
whether
or
not
we
actually
accomplished
that.
So
I
would
almost
view
this
as
a
a
tax
reduction
plan,
that's
long
term
as
opposed
to
a
tax
increase,
so
that
that
was
my
question
to
you.
The
other
question
that
I
have
for
just
counseling
broadly,
is
this
going
to
replace
the
real
critical
program
or
how
would
those
two
things
interfere.
A
I
would
say
it
was
going
to
supplement
it
initially
we're
going
to
have
x
number
of
dollars
coming
in
from
the
half
penny
or
the
penny
or
whatever
it
is,
and
it's
going
to
be
well
funded
it
may
they
may
get
in
a
situation
where
they
have.
They
can't
spend
it
fast
enough.
I'm
not
sure
that's
going
to
be
the
case,
but.
AA
Yeah,
so
the
if
you
all
recall
when
I
briefed
council
on
this
last
meeting,
we
will
still
have
the
ruling
critical
lands
money
there,
but
senator
davis
was
gracious
enough
to
work
with
the
vice
chairman,
somerville
and
me
to
add
language
into
the
legislation
that
allows
us
to
use
the
penny
portion
to
service
the
bond
for
ruling
critical
lands.
So
we
could,
if
this
is
adopted
through
a
half
penny,
then
we
could
delete
that
debt
millage
from
people's
individual
avalor
and
property
taxes.
AQ
AQ
AQ
I
I
don't
think
a
strong
or
persuasive
case
can
be
made
right
now
in
regard
to
the
transportation
penny
because
of
the
existing
state
and
federal
dollars
that
are
out
there,
and
I
believe
there
needs
to
be
an
effort,
a
concerted
effort,
that's
documented
and
requested
by
council
to
the
delegation
to
exhaust
that
effort.
First
before
you
then
go
back
and
say:
okay,
we
tried
to
address
these
critical
transportation
needs
to
mr
glover's
point.
AQ
J
AQ
AU
AQ
11Th,
I
think,
okay,
what
I'll
do
mr
mckellen
is?
I
will
contact
members
of
the
delegation
and
tell
them
about
the
meeting
on
july.
11Th
tell
them
the
purpose
of
it
is
to
kind
of
give
an
expression
of
their
willingness
to
help
try
to
get
some
of
this
money,
how
we
might
go
about
doing
it
and
there's
a
number
of
different
ways.
You
know
the
d.o.t,
the
sieve,
the
cdc
the
general
fund
again,
a
billion
dollars
has
been
set
aside
and
not
spent
in
the
general
fund.
AW
AW
AQ
A
AU
AU
Otherwise
it
may
be
too
little
chasing
too
much.
So
I
am
a
strong
proponent.
You
know
I
would
yield
to
whether
we
do
a
half
now
and
some
a
little
bit
later
or
whether
we
do
the
full.
I
think
that's
political
judgment,
but
I
do
think
at
some
point.
We
need
to
get
to
the
full
penny
just
to
make
an
impact.
AQ
I
you
make
a
great
point
in
regard
to
scale
and
the
rural
critical
lands
program
is
a
wonderful
program.
It
does
nowhere
near
the
scale,
that's
necessary
to
address
what
the
problem
is
here.
I
guess
the
only
reason
I
would
argue
in
favor
of
the
half
penny
is
a
political
argument.
It
would
not
be
a
substantive
argument
in
terms
of
is
the
money
necessary
or
would
it
be
doing
good
things
it's
more
in
the
nature
of?
Is
this
something
that
I
could
get
past?
We
could
get
past
and.
AU
AU
AQ
AU
AU
But
the
next
really
big
phase
is
to
six
lane
that
that
road,
whenever
we
do
it
and
jared,
has
had
some
conversations
with
d.o.t
about
perhaps
doing
a
design
build,
which
would
mean
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
go
to
the
traditional
30
percent
of
design
before.
But
we'd
have
to
do
something
to
be
ready
to
do
that.
So
I
just
think
we've
got
to
step
back
if
we're
going
to
delay
it,
not
that
we
don't
need
it,
but
we
got.
AU
B
Yeah,
real,
quick,
the
half
penny
makes
sense.
You're
right
getting
something
passed
is
better
than
getting
nothing
passed.
So
let's
say
we
come
back
2024
and
we
do
the
10-year
half
a
penny.
That's
350
million
we'd
probably
want
to
come
back
with
eight
years
at
half
a
penny
again
on
that
transportation
tax.
Then,
because
we
don't
want
to
go
to
seven
and
a
half
percent,
we
definitely
go
to
eight
percent.
That's
on
par
with
new
york.
There's
a
reason.
People
are
coming
this
way.
So
with
that
said,
you
know,
yeah,
it
saves
taxpayers.
B
70
million
dollars
lowers
the
density
for
the
future.
The
70
million
dollars
would
be
the
difference
of
not
taxing
the
full
penny
for
that
or
the
extra
half
penny
for
that
year.
So
that's
the
420
million
difference
we'd
be
looking
at
from
our
estimated
budget
that
we
had
before,
which
who
knows
how
that's
going
to
go?
B
I
just
want
to
throw
out
for
us
the
council.
What
does
our
future
vote
look
like
in
two
years?
Then?
Is
it
another
half
penny,
so
it
comes
to
a
full
penny.
Puts
us
at
seven
percent.
Is
it
four
year?
I
mean
it's
a
lot
of
thing,
but
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
think
we
need
to
move
forward
with
it.
I'm
100
supportive
of
the
idea.
I
think
it's
just
those
logistics
that
I'd
love
to
get
the
delegation's
idea.
AQ
AQ
AA
AC
AA
J
AC
J
J
A
A
J
A
D
AA
The
vote
did
not
refer
the
motion
and
the
second
did
not
refer
it
to
a
committee.
I
don't
know
that
you
have
time
to
refer
it
to
a
committee.
We've
got
to
have
this
to
the
state
in
august
or
to
our
voters
registration
office
in
august
yeah.
So
we
we're
on
a
tight
wrong,
tight
time
frame.
Let
us
take
a
shot
at
putting
together
the
ordinance
and
the
details,
and
all
that
we'll
send
it
out
to
everyone.
We
can
take
our
best.
Take
our
best
shot
at
it.
Okay
call.