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Historic Preservation Commission
Wednesday, November 02, 2022 at 6:00 PM
Theodore D. Washington Municipal Building, 20 Bridge Street, Henry “Emmett” McCracken Jr.
Council Chambers
AGENDA
This meeting can be viewed live on Beaufort County Channel, on Hargray Channel 9 and 113 or on
Spectrum Channel 1304.
I. CALL TO ORDER
II. ROLL CALL
III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT
The Historic Preservation Commission will not hear new items after 9:30 p.m. unless authorized by
a majority vote of the Commission Members present. Items which have not been heard before
9:30 p.m. may be continued to the next regular meeting or a special meeting date as determined
by the Commission Members.
IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS*
Every member of the public who is recognized to speak shall address the Chairman and in
speaking, avoid disrespect to Commission, Staff, or other members of the Meeting. State your
name and address when speaking for the record. COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE (3)
MINUTES.
V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA
VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES
1. October 5, 2022 Minutes
2. October 17, 2022 Special Meeting Minutes
VII. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA*
VIII. OLD BUSINESS
1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by William Court of Court Atkins Architects, LLC, on
behalf of the owners, Jeffrey and Leslie Crook for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness
- HD to allow the construction of a new 2.5-story Single Family Residential structure of
approximately 4,866 SF with attached Carriage House 1,135 SF to be located at 6 Shell Rake
Street, identified as Lot 31 in the Tabby Roads Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic
District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-11-21-016502) (Staff - Katie Peterson)
Town of Bluffton, SC Historic Preservation Commission Agenda November 02, 2022
2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by James Atkins on behalf of the owner, Ryan
Williamson, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness- HD to allow the construction of a
new accessory structure of approximately 80 SF to be located at 1301 May River, in the
Promenade Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood
Core- HD. (COFA-04-22-016686) (Staff - Katie Peterson)
IX. NEW BUSINESS
1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Dylan and Amanda Mingard for approval of a
Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to allow the construction of a new 2-story single-family
residential structure of approximately 3,310 SF located at 41 Stock Farm Road in the Old Town
Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation- HD. (COFA-06-22-016820)
(Staff - Katie Peterson)
2. Adoption of 2023 Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Dates: (Staff - Katie Peterson)
3. Adoption of 2023 Historic Preservation Review Committee Meeting Dates: (Staff - Katie
Peterson)
X. DISCUSSION
XI. ADJOURNMENT
NEXT MEETING DATE: Wednesday, December 7, 2022
A
A
We
have
a
quorum,
correct,
okay,
just
always
checking
and
is
there
any
person
that
needs
to
recuse
themselves
for
any
purposes,
with
today's
meetings
checking
something
I'm
going
to
add
a
little
different?
No
okay!
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Historic
preservation.
Commission
will
not
hear
new
items
after
9
30
PM
unless
authorized
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
commission
members
present
items
which
have
not
been
heard
before.
9
30
PM
may
continue
to
the
next
regular
meeting
or
special
meeting
date
as
determined
by
the
commission
members,
not
regarding
public
comments.
A
Every
member
of
the
public,
who
is
recognized
to
speak,
shall
address
the
chairman
and,
in
speaking,
avoid
a
disrespect
to
commission
staff
and
other
members
of
the
meetings
state.
Your
name
and
address
when
speaking
for
the
record
comments
are
limited
to
three
minutes
and
it
looks
like
we
have
an
adoption
of
the
agenda
as
written.
A
Oh
I'll
make
a
motion
for
that.
Canada
I'll.
Second,
it
thank
you
all
in
favor
or
any
discussion.
Excuse
me
no
discussion,
all
in
favor,
aye
aye.
Your
second
pass
unanimously
looks
like
we
have
the
adoption
of
two
different
meeting
minutes
since
we
had
a
meeting
and
then
a
special
meeting,
so
the
first
adoption
of
minutes
would
be
for
October
5th
of
2022
I
hope
everyone's
read
through
them
and
I'm.
Looking
for
an
adoption
of
those
minutes,.
A
A
A
You
weren't
there.
So
actually
it
wasn't
a
lesson
either.
So
it
shouldn't
have
seconded
that
that's
right,
yeah
yeah,
so
we
have
a
problem.
He
wasn't
at
the
meeting,
I
think
well.
He
was
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
weren't
you
no
I
missed
all
of
last
month,
because
I
accused
myself
from
pretty
much
everything
I
needed
so
technically,
there's
only
three
people
of
the
four
yeah.
If
that
makes
of
that
one
meeting,
so
there's
a
it's
fine!
Okay!
Thank
you!
I'm!
Sorry!
No!
That's
fine.
A
A
A
A
However,
I
have
all
of
the
pictures
inside,
so
we
can
go
back
to
look
at
things
as
need
be
a
little
bit
closer.
So
this
is
a
certificate
of
purpose
to
allow
the
construction
of
a
new
two
and
a
half
story,
residential
structure
of
approximately
4
866
square
feet
with
an
attached
Carriage
House
of
1135
square
feet
to
be
located
at
the
same
shell
right,
which
is
lot
31
in
the
Tabby
Rose
development,
that
is
in
the
neighborhood
General
HD
zoning
District.
This
is
the
site
plan
which
has
been
proposed.
A
As
you
can
see,
the
main
structure
is
here
facing
shell
rate,
with
Barnacle
cut
to
the
top
of
the
screen,
and
mud
bar
Lane
is
where
the
driveway
takes
access
on
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
Here.
This
is
the
proposed
house
with
a
future
building
that
is
not
remotely
part
of
this
application,
but
will
be
built
on
that
lot
by
someone
else
sometime
in
the
future.
A
A
A
A
This
is
the
original.
Let's
just
this
is
what
was
proposed.
Initially,
yes,
and
what
has
been
revised.
I
do
crop
these
out
of
plans,
and
so
they
are
not
exactly.
You
can
see
that
it
moves
on
this
one,
that's
because
of
where
I
pasted
it
not
because
they've
done
anything
too
drastic
to
change
like
lines
and
things
like
that.
It's
it's
probably
something
I've
done
and
then
the
original
roof
plan
and
revisor
plan
I
did
highlight
on
here
where
the
roof
pitches
have
changed
a
bit.
So
you
can
see
them
on
here.
A
The
rear
section
here
went
from
one
and
a
quarter
and
12
to
1
and
8
and
12
the
main
mass
of
the
structure,
which
are
these
oops.
These
two
highlights
here
went
from
five
and
a
half
to
six
and
a
half
and
twelve,
and
then
the
front
porch
here
went
from
Two
and
a
half
to
two
and
twelve.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
roof
slope
there
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
that
a
little
bit
better
on
the
elevations.
A
Real
quick,
here's,
your
change,
okay,
so
the
original,
the
ridge
line
of
the
house
here,
is
at
34,
10
inches
and
it's
been
brought
down
to
33
1..
So
you
can
see.
There's
that's
where
that
roof
slope
that
I
highlighted
on
the
previous
slide
has
has
taken
place.
There
I
think
I
may
I
think
I
missed
this.
One
here
is
that
the
back
it
it
is
yeah,
so
that
was
it
was
six
and
a
half
and
12
and
it's
been
dropped
to
five
and
a
half
to
twelve.
A
So
that's
the
other
location
here:
okay,
okay,
the
rear
elevation
and
the
revisor
elevation.
So
again,
flipbook
style.
Here,
mostly
what
you're
seeing
is
much
the
paycheck
is
my
Dimensions
aren't
perfect,
but
and
then
the
additional
supplemental,
because
you
can't
see
through
buildings,
so
they've
provided
the
additional
and
here's
the
revised
the
original
left
and
revised
left.
A
A
A
And
then
the
doors
and
the
revised
doors,
here's
the
original
breakdown
of
that
square
footage
and
the
revised
they
are
the
same.
The
square
footage
is
the
exact
same
yes
and
I
know.
That
was
a
major
point
of
discussion
with
the
whole
body
last
time.
So
the
square
footage
from
the
previous
to
this
one
is
the
same,
and
the
exterior
is
the
same.
A
A
A
A
See
the
service
yard
here
is
brought
down
just
a
bit
and
the
roof
line
reduced
here
here
and
then
all
along
here,
as
well
as
the
height
of
the
chimney,
and
then
the
right
elevation,
which
this
is
the
elevation
that
would
be
towards
Bruin
Road.
There
is
still
that
street
and
additional
lot.
So
it's
not
fronting
okay.
A
A
A
This
is
the
landscape
plan.
I
noticed
there
was.
There
was
no
change
on
the
landscape
plans.
This
is
the
same
one.
We
were
looking
at
previously
meeting
the
requirement
and
the
canopy
coverage
Theater,
which
also
hasn't
changed
just
so
that
it
is
to
say
the
HCC
considers
the
Abraham,
which
is
set
forth
in
section
318,
three
of
our
unified
development
ordinance
when
assessing
an
application
for
a
significant
appropriateness.
A
We
have
the
authorization
to
approve
the
application
is
submitted
by
the
applicant,
approve
the
application
with
conditions
or
design.
The
application
is
submitted
by
the
applicant
Town
staff
request
that
you
take
the
following
into
consideration
as
you
determine
how
to
take
action
on
this
application.
A
The
first
is
that
the
primary
structure
exceeds
the
maximum
footprint,
because
the
carriage
house
is
an
attached,
Carriage,
House
and
the
square
footage
is
in
the
height
in
between.
This
is
the
same
comment
that
we
had
at
the
conceptual.
Let
me
ask
the
commission
here:
do
we
want
to
discuss
as
we
go
through
these
items
or
we
want
all
the
items
discussed
and
then
go
back
and
then
discuss.
A
A
The
next
one
is
that
the
number
of
Windows
and
proportion
variation
must
be
reduced
to
provide
a
better
proportional
relationship
to
one
another.
In
that
original
staff
report,
I
have
the
report,
the
percentages
that
are
pulled
from
the
traditional
construction
patterns
book,
as
well
as
the
number
of
Windows.
Typically,
we
see
between
four
and
five
different
types
of
Windows
and
they
are
still
exceeding
that
number.
That
is
an
arbitrary
number.
A
The
pain
proportions
is
a
percentage
that
is
laid
out
in
the
traditional
construction
patterns,
which
is
the
supplement
types
to
the
Udo
as
indicating
section
515.
So
that's
where
that
number
is
coming
from
four
to
five
is
an
arbitrary
number.
That
is
because
that
is
an
average
of
what
we
particularly
see.
So
it
may
be
that
this
is
an
appropriate
number.
It's
just
that.
That
is
something
that
we
have
noted
and
they
did
reduce
it
by
two,
but
it
is
still
exceeding
that
percentage.
A
A
A
Material,
that
is
a
recycled
material
I
guess,
is
the
best
way
to
phrase.
It
is
a
byproduct
material,
and
that
is
the
number
five
as
well
for
the
railings
and
ballast
rods.
The
door
table
must
be
updated
to
include
the
type
and
finish
of
The
Proposal
exterior
doors
they
did
listed
onto
the
elevations,
but
the
door
table
still
calls
out
that
they're
to
be
picked
by
the
GC
or
owner
a
determination
of
the
appropriateness
of
mass
and
scale
of
structure.
A
Since
I
was
part
of
what
the
commission
asked
for
on
the
previous
application,
it's
still
been
included,
and
then
the
tree
removal
permit
is
required.
So
those
are
the
items
that
are
outstanding
on
the
items
that
were
from
the
original
staff
report
in
September.
I
have
detailed
them
a
little
further
in
the
staff
reports
that
you
all
have
in
your
packet
and
in
which,
if
you're
watching
online
is
available
on
the
town
of
Bluffton
website
through
the
agenda
Center.
So
those
are
the
items
that
I
have.
A
This
is
that
same
drawing
that
I
had
in
the
original
PowerPoint,
showing
where
the
external
break
and
the
thing
is,
and
then
the
internal
break
of
the
square
footage
here.
So
that
was
where
that
was
brought
into
play.
The
applicant
is
appear
to
become
a
half
project,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
I
can
answer
based
on
the
code,
and
so
they
they're
over
only
on
heated
square
footage.
A
A
They
are
still
meeting
the
heated
square
footage
requirements
for
the
Tabby
roads,
harv
and
development
plan.
There's
no
definitive
separation
between
this
and
that,
so
that's
where
it
gets
a
little
just
overall
footprint
is
too
big,
but
the
heated
makes
it
makes
so
the
way
that
our
ordinance
rates
were
the
building
size.
We
do
the
maximum
footprint,
not
including
porches,
it's
what
is
maxed
out
for
the
Tabby
roads
development
plan.
A
They
have
a
total
heated
square
footage
and
if
the
total
heated
footprint
I'm
sorry-
and
if
the
carousel
seated
space
in
the
first
floor,
it
counts
and
it
doesn't-
and
it
doesn't
count
at
all
towards
the
heated
square
footage
for
the
footprints
in
Tabby
roads,
because
that
is
how
the
development
plans
took
place
in
the
early
2000s.
So
they
are
in
compliance
with
the
Tabby
Rose
ajrb,
which
can
be
more
restrictive,
but
not
in
conflict
with
our
ordinance.
A
Our
ordinance
has
a
maximum
footprint,
not
including
porches,
which
does
not
differentiate
between
heated
and
unheated
stays
only
enclosed
and
unenclosed
space.
So
it
is
the
enclosed
space
footprint
for
the
primary
structure
which
staff
has
found
is
in
excess
of
the
allowable
maximum.
For
this
zoning
district
and
it'll
provide
how
much
120
it
is
in
that
staff
report,
which
I
can
pull
up
real,
quick
foreign.
A
A
A
Pardon
me
so,
just
as
a
little
bit
of
background
at
the
September
7th
meeting,
there
were
two
motions
made
I
believe
both
of
them
were
made
by
commissioner
Simpson.
Both
of
them
failed
on
a
vote.
I
want
to
say
three
to
four
and
the
two
motions
were
largely
consistent
with
most
of
the
most
of
staff's
recommendations
that
the
the
real
questions
were
about
the
massing
of
the
scale
and
the
square
footage,
so
condition
number
one,
and
then
what
I
believe
is
listed
as
condition
number
nine.
A
That
is
included
in
the
staff
report
to
kind
of
get
you
back
to
where
the
discussion
ended
up
in
September
at
the
September
7th
meeting.
There's
there
are
square
footage,
maximum
square
footage
requirements,
maximum
square
footage
allowed
for
a
carriage
house
and
there's
maximum
square
footage
for
a
Center
hall
building
type,
which
is
what
the
main
structure
proposed
here
is.
Is
that
right?
A
It's
an
additional
building
type,
but
we're
not
sorry
so
in
this
particular
case,
because
it'd
be
very,
very
simple:
to
figure
out
the
calculations
that
this
was
a
detached
carriage
house,
but
because
it
is
an
attached,
Carriage
House.
The
question
is:
where
does
that
line
occur?
To
where
is
that
dividing
line?
A
If,
however,
you
rely
on
the
stats
interpretation,
whereas
you
look
at
the
natural
dividing
line
between
the
two
buildings,
however,
the
two
structures,
then
the
100
there's
181
extra
square
feet
on
the
center
hall
building
time.
This
is
just
arbitrarily
drawn.
However,
it
makes
it
suitable
for
whatever
I
mean
I'm
just
saying,
I,
I
think
that
the
you
know
the
question
is
whether
the
Udo
would
would
allow
for
the
line
to
be
drawn.
A
So
as
to
you
know,
essentially
whatever
is
needed
to
get
in
that
square
footage
requirement,
or
whether
staff's
interpretation
of
the
Udo
that
you
look
at
the
building.
You
see
where
the
from
an
architectural
standpoint
where
it
looks
like
there
are
two
different
buildings
and
you
apply
the
square
footage
requirements
for
those
two
and
I
think
that's
where
the
commission
was
a
little
bit
divided,
but
ultimately
that's
why
animal
here
I
know
that
the
applicant
is
here
as
well.
So
I'll
turn
this
off.
Thank
you!
Okay.
A
A
It
was
unimposed
space
entirely.
That
would
be
the
case.
Yes,
but
if
it's
covered,
if
it
is
covered,
it
is
still,
it
could
still
be
a
Porsche
if
it
is
enclosed,
it
is
not
a
porch,
so
they
could
essentially
take
that
garage
entry
and
make
it
just
a
covered
porch
and
just
a
bunch
of
square
footage
passively.
A
A
This
is
porch
here.
That
whole
thing
is
gorgeous
right
now,
I'm
talking
just
if
you
go
right
there.
This
is,
if
you
just
took
the
bathroom
straight
across
and
that
corner
out
and
just
made
that
cut
covered
porch
and
not
close
the
wall
in
how
many
squares
I
don't
have
a
dimension
on
that.
It's
15
feet,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
an
easy
make
it
a
porch
and
not
enclosed,
and
then
it
would
meet
all
requirements.
A
A
What
I
understood
I
just
heard,
but
the
central
now
is
over
by
City
flag,
so
the
applicant
has
removed
the
horizontal
transom
window,
the
five
by
two
six
double
tongue
and
the
five
by
eight,
the
five
eight
by
two
eight
double
hung,
resulting
in
10
window
types.
Eight
different,
painting
proportions
reduced
from
the
14,
with
10
pain
proportions
that
it
was
from
the
primary
or
the
original
spell
is
how
many
is
allowed.
A
A
Section
of
the
original
staff
report
110.,
so
the
traditional
construction
patterns
notes
that
are
reasonable
and
achievable
standard
for
the
window
is
a
maximum
variation
for
vernacular
designs
is
20
in
pain,
proportion
and
12
for
classical
architectural
design.
We
are
very
much
a
vernacular
designed
area,
so
it's
closer
to
that
20
is
where
that
pain
proportion
should
be
falling.
A
I
can
do
some
math
for
you
real
quick,
but
it's
going
to
take
me
a
second.
So
if
you'd
like
to
open
it
up
to
Seattle,
Center,
definitely
have
that
be
the
case
and
for
the
windows
really,
the
intent
is
that
they
don't
you
don't
have
some
windows
that
are
looking
more
square
and
something
more
vertical,
I
think,
based
on
the
application
and
on
the
Windows
schedules,
they're
going
to
keeping
in
around
the
same
proportion
and
keeping
a
vertical
vertical
proportion
for
the
most
part.
So
good
I
agree
with
that.
A
Most
of
the
work
that
we've
done
in
this
submittal
has
focused
on
scale
and
Mass
in
our
conversations
with
Katie.
That
was
our
understanding
that
that
was
the
where
we
left
off.
My
recollection
of
the
meeting
in
September
was
that
there
certainly
were
two
motions
made
by
Mr
Simpson.
We
ultimately
it
was
tabled,
but
from
the
conversation
taking
place
in
those
motions
and
my
questions
directly
to
the
board,
it
seemed
like
after
extensive
conversation
item,
one
which
was
predominantly
about
whether
or
not
there
we
were
interpreting
our
square
footage
correctly.
A
I
think
we
landed
on.
It
is
not
entirely
clear,
so
that
would
fall
to
you
guys,
but
there
was
some
conversation,
the
board,
that
it
seemed
that
the
mass
was
more
concerned
than
the
square
footage.
We
did
have
an
extensive
conversation
that
had
this
been
done
in
two
phases
that
we
could
get
to
this
square
footage
pretty
easily
by
doing
phase
construction
so
that,
therefore,
maybe
it
would
not
be
a
concern.
It
is
the
strong
preference
of
the
applicant
owners.
A
That
that
the
square
footage
we
allowed
I
think
that
our
interpretation
is
not
arbitrary.
I
think
that
it
is
more
about
the
actual
programmatic
use
and
how
this
the
I
think
we've
attempted
to
take
great
care
to
make
the
hyphen
look
like
a
connector
in
between
two
elements
to
further
break
that
scale
down,
but
I
know
that
was
a
big
part
of
our
conversation,
so
I
don't
want
to
prolong
the
meeting
anymore
on
that
front
of
the
remaining
nine
items.
A
I
know
in
most
of
the
conversation
that
took
place
last
time,
it
seemed
like
we
were
fine
on
the
parallel
nature
of
the
property,
but
we
did
provide
a
supplemental
document
showing
more
context
around
the
property
for
why
that
made
sense,
but
it
seemed
to
have
been
kind
of
taken
off
the
table
pretty
quickly.
In
the
last
meeting
we
did
talk
at
length
about
Windows.
It
seemed
like
the
the
proportions
were
pleasing,
with
the
exception
of
the
transom
Windows,
which
were
a
big
concern.
A
We
have
removed
those
transom
windows
and
tried
to
get
a
few
others
more
in
alignment.
The
use
of
oral
was
obviously
discussed
quite
a
bit.
We
left
that
alone.
It
seemed
like
it
was
not
going
to
be
a
problem,
but
we
could
certainly
refer
to
a
what
I
think
would
be
a
more
maintenance
requirement,
but
but
a
more
acceptable
Cadet.
If
we
had
to
on
the
doors
I
know,
we
did
note
that
these
would
be
Wood
Cloud
doors
on
all
the
elevations.
We
didn't
miss
in
the
schedule.
A
It
still
says,
I
think
to
be
determined,
but
the
intent
is
would
clad
on
those
doors
and
I'm
happy
to
to
have
that
as
a
part
of
of
any
consideration
here.
That
is
the
owner's
intent.
The
transoms
were
where
I
believe
taken
care
of
the
two
different
materials
on
one
surface.
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
in
that
meeting
about
whether
that
might
be
acceptable.
A
We've
gone
ahead
and
removed
it
just
because
we
didn't
want
it
to
be
a
concern
and
I
think
that
item
10
about
the
pre-removal
was
obviously
more
of
a
paperwork
thing.
So
it's
really
nine
that
I
I
thought
we
had
been
passed
by
the
board
to
focus
on
the
masking
and
to
try
to
bring
some
of
the
height
down
in
the
building.
To
that
degree,
we've
provided
some
supplemental
the
colored
documents,
but
maybe
more
importantly,
we
did
talk
to
the
chairman
of
harb.
A
A
Sorry,
sorry,
so
he
is
directly
across
the
street
in
detached
garage,
similar
size
structure,
length,
width,
architecturally
and
then
one
further
there
with
the
the
street
section
height
wise
I,
mean
we're
we're
kind
of
right
in
line
with
not
only
that
structure
but
with
a
couple
of
others,
I
it
it.
We
did
bring
the
scale
down.
We
brought
the
connector
hyphen
down
and
we
talked
with
Katie
about
dropping
down
the
surface
yard
wall
Heights.
A
We
did
meet
with
the
with
the
town
and
tried
to
talk
through
some
of
those
adjustments,
a
thought
in
that
meeting
it
felt
like
we
were
focusing
on
mass,
not
on
footprint
once
we
had
this
conversation
at
two
weeks
two
months
ago,
but
I'll
kind
of
leave
it
that
that's.
We
have
been
as
a
result
of
that
meeting,
whether
I,
misunderstood
or
not.
We
were
focused
primarily
on
mass,
which
seemed
to
be
a
couple
of
the
board
members.
Prime
very
concerned
concern
I.
Think,
look
at
looking
at
my
notes.
A
A
That
was
the
direct
ly
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you
other
than
that.
We've
really
just
a
couple
of
the
bearings
we've
dropped
tried
to
bring
down
the
pitch
of
the
roofs,
just
try
to
bring
think
about
how
it
would
be
perceived
visually
from
the
street
so
that,
as
perspective
takes
place,
we're
bringing
some
of
that
roof
height
down.
That
was
our
primary
conversation
with
town
with
Katie
and
when
we
met
with
her
after
the
meeting
that
and
and
again
I
think
a
conversation
about
the
height
of
some
of
the
service
yard
walls
and
things.
A
So
that's
where
we
focused
our
time.
It
was
certainly
not
to
disregard
others.
I
am
trying
to
to
certainly
Lobby
on
behalf
of
our
property
owner
here
who
this
is
obviously
their
desire,
their
wish,
but
but
I
thought
we
were
if
I
disregarded
something
that
was
with
the
with
my
thought,
as
as
if
we
were
to
be
focusing
on
scale
only.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
How
are
you
all
feeling
on
this
and
if
we
do
I'm
just
going
to
skip
number
one,
but
I
do
remember
talking
about
that
product?
The
world
I
think
we
discussed
that
and
I
believe
we
consider
utilizing
that,
just
because
there's
a
new
technology,
it's
a
new
product
and
I
understand
it's
quite
a
good,
sustainable
type
product
anyway.
A
I
just
remember
discussing
that
the
we
were
gonna
think
we
thought
that
was
an
idea
of
appropriate,
so
I
guess
all
the
other
things
who
wants
to
talk
about,
but
their
feelings
in
regards
to
the
square
footage
of
the
massing,
any
discussion
or
Comfort
I
think
they
did
a
great
job.
Bringing
the
masking
down
I
mean
yeah
I'm
fine,
with
everything
as
it
is
quite
honestly,
yeah
I
mean
I.
A
Think
the
house
itself
looks
really
good
on
all
four
sides
and
I
think
I'm
in
this
section
that
they
showed
with
the
I
guess
neighbor
across
the
street
really
shows
how
that
fits
in
I.
Think
I
mean
it
makes
sense.
This
is
also
a
it's
important
to
note
it's
a
in
this
neighborhood.
It's
kind
of
a
double
lot,
don't
think.
There's
a
lot
that's
bigger,
although
I
could
be
mistaken.
Maybe
some
of
the
Brewing
Road
ones,
I
think
I
mean
for
me.
A
I'm
I'm
still
hung
up
a
little
bit
on
one
I'm,
fine
with
everything
else.
I
can't
look
at
it
in
elevation
as
far
as
Windows
I
think
that
they
did
a
really
good
job.
Breaking
making
every
facade
look
a
little
different,
but
not
not
too
I
mean
so
for
the
I
guess
the
position,
the
applic
that
you're
taking
is
this
lot
would
be
allowed
a
certain
square
footage
of
carriage
house
and
a
certain
square
footage
of
your
main
building.
Yeah
I.
A
Think
the
really
the
big
difference
is
kind
of
where
we
draw
those
lines
right.
Can
you
please
I
think
that
was
the
you
know
we're
we're
basically
saying
that
on
first
floor
and
I
I
get
it
like
it's
just
it's
not
very
clear
in
Udo,
in
my
opinion,
and
we
kind
of
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
it,
but
the
position.
A
Our
position
is
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
that
the
garage
starts
where
you
leave
the
house
and
that
front
of
a
perspective
of
the
overall
massing
and
scale
of
the
carriage
house
that
we're
using
that
it's
the
end
of
the
hyphen
to
basically
accomplish
where
we
set
the
tone
for
the
second
floor.
I
understand
that
it's
it
creates
a
jog
effect,
but
it's
really
no
different
than
the
job
effect
that
that
is
shown
with
the
red
line.
A
There
is
some
arbitrary
nature.
The
reality
is
I
think
we
talked
about
this
with
the
chairman
last
time.
You
could
have
conceivably
stopped
at
pink
and
built
that
main
house
and
it
would
meet
every
criteria
and
then
you
could
come
back
in
and
build
the
connector
and
the
garage
wing
and
ultimately
make
a
case
to
fill
in
the
second
floor
and
still
be
within
the
allowable
square
footage.
So
I,
I,
really
I
want
to
push
back
on
one
and
say
that
in
our
opinion,
we're
not
over
square
footage.
It's
just.
A
It's
we're
we're
not
seeing
eye
to
eye
interpretation
wise
with
with
the
town,
but
I
do
think
where
we
ended
up
at
the
end.
Was
that
had
you
phased
it,
we
probably
could
have
pulled
it
off
anyway,
so
to
force
the
applicant
to
say:
let's
cut
a
hole
in
part
of
the
garage
and
make
it
open
and
call
it
a
full
porch.
It
does
nothing
for
scale
and
messing
like
it
makes
it
the
same
house,
but
it
would
technically
meet
the
criteria
they
got
in.
A
So
we're
in
this
sort
of
technicality
phase
where
I
could
make
the
house
look
bigger
and
probably
get
square
footage
down,
but
I
don't
think
that's
the
right
solution.
Architecturally
I
think
the
right
solution
is
to
try
to
work
with
you
guys
to
to
sort
of
maybe
find
some
common
ground
on
one
and
by
bringing
the
scale
down
in
a
nine,
and
hopefully
we
get
to
a
place
where
you
guys
are
all
comfortable.
A
Thank
you
and
I.
Think
for
me.
The
square
footage
issue
is
not
really
an
issue
as
much
as
the
scale
of
the
connector
itself.
I
get
that
the
square
footage
could
have
been
gotten
to
gotten
to
over
time
with
a
phased
approach,
but
the
the
nature
of
the
connector
being
basically
a
full
two-story
connector
makes
this
feel
like
it's
one,
larger
house
and
I,
don't
mean
that
to
say
that
it's
not
articulated.
A
Well,
it's
a
it's
a
great
design
and
it
it
speaks
to
the
to
the
way
that
architecture
would
have
been
done
over
time.
Sort
of
filled
in
generationally
I
just
feel
that
the
scale
of
the
connector
itself
is
too
great
in
adding
to
the
fact
that
the
the
main
house
is
a
two-story
plus
a
full.
The
Dormers,
read
especially
from
the
front
and
from
the
Corners
like
perspectives,
feel
like
essentially
a
three-story
house
to
have
a
two-story
connector
into
the
Carriage.
House
feels
really
large
for
this
area.
A
A
And
lower
the
whole
thing
and
that
would
not
read
as
tall
well
so
I
think
that
question
then
gets
to
I
think
we've
already
dropped
the
plate
height
in
the
connector.
You
almost
want
some
differentiation
between
it
to
make
it
feel
like
a
hyphen
and
a
connector
so
I.
Actually
we
run
the
risk
of
everything,
making
everything
we're
at
eight
foot
on
connector
and
nine
foot
on
the
second
floor,
so
not
and
honestly,
when
we
compared
it
to
the
house
across
the
street.
A
A
Connector,
because
you're
only
really
ever
seeing
it
from
unless
you're
in
the
alley
from
the
opposite
side,
hey,
could
you
fill
up
I
believe
we
had
a
slide
with
the
neighbors
in
the
area
of
the
neighborhood
or
the
I
mean
for
me.
I'll
just
say
that
is
the
I
mean
that
mud
bar
Lane
is
the
alley
that
just
serves
those
homes.
A
A
That's
the
alley
so
they're
all
rear
loaded.
This
would
be
your
your
two
public
streets
here,
barnacle
and
but
no
sorry,
whatever
we
call
that
shelter
yes,
mud
bar
is
that
back
and
that
is
strictly
used
for
these
four.
These
five
buildings
right
here
and
this
actually
to
your
right,
is
your
office.
Is
that
correct,
correct,
correct?
A
A
Barnacle
and
shell
are
in
a
sense
if
somebody's
driving
down
they're
gonna
probably
go
down
the
Barnacle
correct
here.
This
is
your
public
corner.
So
this
is
that
main
part
of
the
house
right
here,
the
two
and
a
half
story
with
the
porches
on
either
side,
hopefully
to
soften
that
show
us
the
elevation
on
Barnacle
cut.
Do
you
have
a
taco?
A
A
A
A
I
always
appreciate
that
Richard,
so
yeah,
like
just
before
I
make
motion
the
motion
that
I'm
proposing
is
going
based
off
of
commissioner
Goodwin's
responses,
and
commissioner
schmelter
commissioner
trember
your
responses
at
the
September
meeting
about
the
square
footage
not
being
of
a
primary
concern
and
then
I
believe
I'm
correct.
Commissioner
Frazier
and
Solomon
both
had
concerns
about
the
square
footage
of
the
original
meeting.
But
as
far
as
massing
and
scale,
commissioner
Solomon
did
not
have
the
objection
to
the
commissioner
Goodwin
had
so.
A
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
put
together
a
motion
that
is
in
favor
with
approving
the
moral
and
seeing
that
a
second,
so
the
a
motion
to
approve
the
application,
with
the
following
condition:
first:
condition
to
allow
the
square
footage
to
be
approved
as
submitted
to
to
not
require
the
structure,
be
reposition
to
be
parallel
to
the
front
of
the
lot
per
section.
515
5f
of
the
UEA
forward
to
allow
the
use
of
oral
as
a
substitute
material
for
those
listed
for
columns
in
section
515
6h
of
the
UVO
per
five
fifteen
five.
A
Five
to
allow
the
use
of
law
as
a
substitute
material
for
those
listed
by
50
.,
the
Udo
for
the
railings
and
a
mouse
mouse
trades
for
5
15,
6
I
of
the
Edo
the
door
table
to
be
updated
to
include
the
type
finish
of
those
exterior
doors
to
be
reviewed,
staff
level
and
nine
that
the
massive
scale
are
appropriate
and
10
for
the
application
manual.
A
town
of
Bluffton
tree
removal
permit
be
required.
A
A
I
know
it's
gonna
you've
got
hallways
on
the
outside
and
there
would
be
issues
with
it,
but
just
as
consideration.
Okay,
commissioner
Goodwin
yeah
commissioner,
would
you
prefer
the
mass
and
scale
be
submitted
and
reviewed
by
hprc
and
at
the
staff
level
and
say
we're
going
to
approve
it,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
staff
and
hbrc
sign
off
on
the
mass
and
scale.
A
A
All
right,
so,
if
we
can,
please
just
do
a
motion
to
amend
ment.
Thank
you
yeah.
So
therefore,
I
have
a
motion
to
amend,
as
stated
I'll.
Second,
it
okay,
all
in
favor,
aye,
aye
aye
and
you
post
okay.
So
the
motion
has
been
amended.
Is
that
correct?
So
now
I'm
still
have
to
approve
the
new
motion.
Is
that
correct
so
now
I'm
looking
for
an
approval
of
the
new
motion
as
amended
looking
for,
we
just
need
to
vote
right
on
that
yeah.
A
Don't
don't
I
have
to
make
it
a
new
motion
or
we
just
now
vote
on
it,
so
I
don't
have
to
redo
okay.
So
now
I'm
just
looking
for
a
vote
for
the
motion
as
amended.
Yes,
sir
Mr
chairman
great,
thank
you
for
your
Robert's
Rules.
You
know
lessons
once
again
so
now,
I'm
looking
for
a
vote
on
this
all
in
favor,
aye
aye
opposed,
looks
like
it
was
passed
unanimously
with
the
emotion
and
thank
you
again
Richardson
for
assisting
with
that.
A
A
It
is
an
accessory
structure
or
a
garden
structure,
so
the
resubmitted
package,
which
I've
included
in
your
pocket
as
attachment
too,
has
gone
through
the
conditions
that
were
placed
on
it
during
the
October
meeting
and
yes,
detailed
on
the
October
5th
staff
report
and
I
have
done
the
same
where
I
crossed
through
the
ones
that
have
been
addressed
with
that
and
included.
The
items
that
had
not
yet
been
addressed.
I
have
received
a
letter
from
the
ARB
as
of
I
think
yesterday.
A
So
while
it
was
not
included
in
the
stock
report,
I
have
received
it
I
do
ask
that
you
include
it
in
the
motion
that
it
just
be
incorporated
so
that
it
is
cleaner
for
me
and
I
can
include
that
in
the
as
the
resubmittal.
If
that
is
the
emotion
you
decide,
ARB
is
standing
for
an
acronym
of
a
Architectural
Review
Board
for
the
Promenade.
Thank
you
just
wanted
a
clarification,
so
the
revised
elevations
that
have
been
proposed
for
you.
It
doesn't
close
the
structure
on
all
four
sides
and.
A
The
recommendation
is
that
staff
staff
recommends
that
the
HPC
approve
the
application
with
qualifications.
One
is
that
we
receive
that
ARB
letter
we
did
receive
it.
However,
please
include
it
in
your
motion
if
you
are
going
to
make
a
favorable
motion
on
this.
The
second
is
that
the
information
on
the
proposed
door
must
be
provided,
because
it
just
wasn't
included
in
the
information
as
well
as
information
on
the
stop.
It
must
be
provided
to
instruction
bias
with
those
standards.
A
A
And
then
this
is
the
wall
section
that
shows
it.
This
is
just
where
that's
off
that
imagerial
needs
to
be
shown
as
long
as
it
is
pressure
treated
or
it
is
hearty,
it
is
an
acceptable
material.
It
just
needs
to
be
indicated
on
there
to
ensure
it's
not
plywood
or
rocks
on
wood
in
the
proper
motor
and
the
gutter
is
a
half
round.
It
is
shown
right
here.
A
We'll
go
in
guys
guys
there
you
go
so
there's
your
half
round
what
I've
got
it
after
the
project
and
I
can
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
on
any
discussion
on
this
well.
I
was
just
gonna.
Ask
when
you're
saying
include
the
arv
letter,
just
okay
or
when
you're
saying
included
in
the
motion,
like
just
include
staff
comments
per
person
that
recommendation
number
one
just
so
that
I
can
have
the
paperwork
in
the
right
order,
since
it
was
not
submitted
with
the
information
that
was
reviewed.
A
So
any
discussion
does
the
applicant
want
to
step
forward
sure
I
think
we
did
exactly
what
you
asked
for
when
we
tabled
it
last
time
say
your
name.
Please
stand
that,
hence
this
project,
so
we
did
get
the
air
reloaded
so
we
submitted
it
on
the
day.
It
was
due
and
also
gave
it
to
the
ARB
and
they
provided
an
approval
without
any
comments.
The
soffit
is
pressure
treated
or
Hardy,
and
there
there's
no
door
on
the
garden
structure.
A
So
I
took
pictures
of
a
couple
of
the
recent
Garden
structures
around
as
well
as
the
existing
Oneness
there.
There's
there's.
No,
you
can't
see
it
anyway.
We
went
through
the
whole
thing.
You
can't
see
any
of
this
building,
but
the
doors
to
the
inside.
So
it's
just
an
opening
to
get
to
the
equipment
door.
A
A
Oh,
it's
just
basically
the
same
person
that
emotions
your
staff
report
to
approve
with
conditions,
as
stated
in
the
staff
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
her
staff
recommendations
or
with
conditions,
as
stated
in
the
staff
report,
I'm.
Looking
for
a
second,
you
have
a
second
any
further
discussion,
if
not
all
in
favor
aye
aye
any
opposed.
It
looks
like
that
passing
in.
A
A
A
This
site
is
in
stock
farm
and
I
put
that
in
post,
because
it
is
not
within
the
stock
farm
development
plan.
So
it
does
not
have
the
same
covenants
and
restrictions
that
the
rest
of
stock
Farm
does.
It
is
behind
the
stock
Farm
developmental,
planned
areas,
area
that
Mr
McCracken
owned
and
it's
not
inclusive
into
the
HOA.
It
is
outside
of
the
HOA
area.
A
This
is
a
site
plan,
so
you
can
see
that
there
is
the
title
rivers
of
the
May
River
on
your
left
hand,
side
here
and
then
you've
got
shot
from
a
road
at
the
front.
This
is
the
ocrm
line
with
the
setback
and
the
reduced
setback
line
just
for
clarification,
OCR
line,
I'm,
sorry
I'm
going
to
stop
using
initials
in
one
day
the
ocean,
the
office
of
critical
Resource
Management.
Thank
you,
oh
Syrian,
and
in
this
case
that
resource
is
the
May.
River.
A
A
More
than
40
of
your
lot
is
taken
up.
It
can
be
reduced
back
to
that
as
long
as
it
is
no
closer
than
25
feet
from
that
critical
line
when
that
reduction
takes
place.
So
that's
where
it
gets
reduced
back
to
here
are
your
first
floor
plans.
You've
got
your
front
porch
as
well
as
the
back
porch.
There's
a
small
bump
out
to
the
back
here
with
a
stoop.
You've
got
second
floor
plans
and
the
roof
plants.
A
A
Everybody
likes
to
read
them
very
closely,
but
I
just
think
I'm
Jesse.
He
knows
where
all
those
trees
are
there's
some
truth
to
that,
and
then
the
canopy
coverage
calculations
have
been
cornered
here.
I
do
have
one
comment
on
this,
so
I
did
make
sure
that
it
is
legible
on
your
screen
and
then
they
provided
pictures
of
those
for
those
of
you
who
can't
read
the
chart
and
see
what
exactly
what
they
are
now
you've
got
a
picture
book
as
well,
which
was
wonderful.
Thank
you
sight,
word,
Design,
Group,
that's
pretty
cool.
A
A
A
Eight
review
criteria:
they
are
found
in
section
318,
three
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
and
they
are
what
you
use
when
you
review
specific
appropriateness.
You
are
authorized
to
approve.
The
application
is
submitted
by
the
applicant,
approve
the
application
with
conditions
or
deny
the
application
is
submitted
by
the
applicant
Town
staff
is
found
with
these
following
items.
A
A
Far
off
are
we
and
it
does
need
like
probably
six
inches,
but
it
just
needs
to
be
shifted
in
order
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't.
So
you
can
see
that
combo
here
and
it
does
have
room
on
the
side
to
be
adjusted.
I'm
gonna
have
her
come
up
to
the
microphone.
If
we're
gonna
ask.
Thank
you.
Yes,
yes,
you're
right,
I
appreciate
it.
I'm
I
am
incorrect.
No,
no,
no
just
keep
going
we're
gonna
go
and
then
we're
gonna
ask
for
that.
Okay,
I.
A
It
is
shown
us
that
K
profile
better
on
the
plans.
It
is
listed
on
the
application
as
that
half
round,
but
the
application
unfortunately
doesn't
make
it
into
the
field.
So
when
they're
building
it,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
detail
is
just
updated
on
their
set
of
plans.
The
third
item
is
the
landscape.
A
A
There
may
be
an
additional
tree
or
two
that
need
to
be
planted
in
order
to
meet
that
requirement,
but
there
is
room
on
the
site
here
where
there
are
not
canopy
trees
and
could
see
that
being
something
that
could
be
easily
met
once
they
update
that
landscape
plan.
So
they
do
have
a
substantial
amount
back
here,
so
they're
likely
not
off
by
a
ton
I
think
I
did
the
math
and
they
maybe
even
meet
it
like
it
is,
but
I'm
not
going
to
be
quoted,
saying
that
so
I
take
it
back.
A
H
H
B
H
H
H
H
The
Udo
is
asking
for
simplified
roof
lines
and
then
the
next
item
kind
of
goes
in
line
with
that.
So
in
order
to
again
simplify
it,
the
local
vernacular
to
be
more
consistent,
either
change
the
gabled
edge
on
the
front
to
not
have
the
bracketing
or
apply
the
bracketing
to
all
elevations
which
can
accept
it.
So
you
can
see
here
these
Gables
have
this
bracket
detail,
that's
up
in
the
roof
line,
but
it's
not.
H
Breast
height
there
are
a
couple
in
the
footprint
of
the
building
that
do
require
it
and
then
I
have
on
here
as
well
in
Gray,
because
I
did
not
include
it
in
the
stack
report.
But
I
noticed
that
the
elevations
didn't
show
the
door
material
type.
It
is
easy
enough
to
update
it's
just
not
listed
in
their
door
table.
H
H
Different
types
of
roofs
on
the
front,
there's
a
Gable,
a
shed
and
a
hip.
The
reason
they
did
the
hip
was
so
that
if
it
had
been
a
shed
roof,
it
would
overhang
on
the
side.
And
then
you
get
kind
of
one
foot
sort
of
hanging
out
in
the
middle
of
nowhere
overhang
on
those
sides.
So
they
hipped
it
so
that
I
could
die.
H
H
F
H
There
you
go
on
the
front,
Gables
yeah.
If
you
see
that
top
left
on
the
front
Gables,
they
have
a
the
windows
within
the
board,
mat
and
siding,
and
then
they
have
a
sort
of
a
band
and
then
the
shake
or
the
shake
look
like
up
above
that,
and
so
they
emphasize
or
added
an
accent
of
the
the
Gable
detailing
which
is
the
brackets
and
that
in
just
those
two,
whereas
on
the
sides
you
can
see.
There's
it's.
F
H
F
H
A
You're
not
approving
something
that
is
if
the
applicant
is
not.
If
the
application
is
not
it
and
clear
violation
of
the
Union
yeah,
you
don't
have
to
include
it
as
a
it's
one
of
those
optional.
If
it's
a
staff
recommendation,
I
just
was
yeah.
So
it's
a
staff
recommendation,
but
it's
not
really
anything.
A
A
H
H
H
F
H
F
H
F
B
H
D
H
H
I
realized
that,
but
then
where's
the
electrical
panel
and
the
other
stuff
going
in
I'm
just
concerned
that
I'm
kind
of
surprised,
there's
no
outside
storage
or
something
especially
if
you've
got
garden
equipment
and
you
know
it
gets
thrown
into
there.
So
that's
just
a
common
I
think
we
could
just
add
that
as
a
an
addition
to
the
just
expensive
expanding
the
service
training
for
the
for
the
meter
intellectual.
H
Conversation,
you
had
sure
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve,
with
stacker
with
staff
recommendations
and
the
addition
of
consideration
by
the
applicant
to
consider
additional
screening
for
the
electrical
meter
wherever
that
may
be.
Is
that
sorry
was
that
not
good
I'm?
Getting
a
lot
of
weird
looks
yeah.
That's
because
if.
I
A
H
Been
withdrawn,
commissioner
Goodwin
has
the
ability
to
make
a
new
a
new
motion
and
again,
staff
recommendations
are
up.
There,
I
believe
it's
recommendation,
four
and
five
that
the
commission
wants
to
eliminate.
All
right.
I
would
like
to
make
a
new
motion
to
approve
with
staff
recommendations,
with
the
exception
of
items
four
and
five,
and
with
the
additions
of
consideration
by
the
applicant
to
provide
additional
screening
for
the
electrical
meter
and
accompanying
equipment,
as
required.
H
H
H
Long
as
there
are
agenda
items,
so
that's
our
first
one
okay,
so
we
need
a
motion
to
no
you.
You
skipped
ahead
and
went
to
Historic
preservations
I'm.
So
sorry
so
I
guess,
let's
so,
let's
go
to
the
first
item,
which
is
adoption
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
meeting
dates
as
written
and
the
meeting
dates
also
on
there
have
application,
submission
deadlines,
so
I
think
those
are
the
important
dates
to
be
and
why
we're
fasting
this
now
so
therefore
I'm
looking
for
a
motion.
H
Aye
aye
any
opposed
past
for
the
HPC,
which
includes
application,
submission
deadlines.
Next
item
is
hprc,
make
the
motion
that
we
improve
the
hprc
meetings,
as
stated.
Oh
second,
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
aye,
aye
hprc,
has
been
passed
now,
just
anyone
interested
in
the
hprc.
If
there
hasn't
been
anything,
that's
presented.
H
I
know
that
recently
we
haven't
had
an
hprc,
and
that
makes
it
kind
of
nice
for
my
Mondays,
sometimes
because
we
meet
on
Mondays
at
four,
but
the
next
hprc
meeting
was
canceled
already
because
there
was
no
nothing
on
the
agenda.
So
even
though
it
states
that
hprc
is
meeting
Mondays
and
sometimes
it's
not
so
then.
A
E
A
Mr
chairman,
if
you'd
like
I,
can
get
you
in
an
accurate
I,
can
tell
you
what
the
exact
number
is
or
what
the
exact
requirement
is
the
next
meeting,
possibly
for
the
next
meeting,
or
something
like
that.
That
was
beneficial
just
to
discuss.
I'd
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
so
therefore,
that's
the
discussion,
I
guess
I'm,
looking
for
unless
there's
any
further
discussion,
not
I'm
looking
for
a
motion
to
what
they
call
adjourned
and
second,
second,
two
seconds.