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From YouTube: Back Bay Fens Pathways Design Meeting #3 - 02/16/2023
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Date: February 16, 2023
A
We
didn't
have
anyone
request
that
for
tonight,
so
tonight's
meeting
will
be
in
English
only,
but
if
you're
interested
in
either
of
those
services
in
the
future,
please
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
and
we'll
put
my
email
in
the
chat
in
a
few
minutes.
For
you
next
slide,
please
we
always
get
asked
from
people
how
they
can
view
a
presentation
if
they
weren't
able
to
join
us.
A
So
we
want
to
make
sure
everybody
knows
that
tonight's
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
will
be
available
on
our
project
website
within
a
week
or
so
and
in
case
you
haven't,
had
a
chance
to
check
out
the
project
website.
Yet
Christine's
going
to
put
that
link
in
the
chat
for
you
and
if
you
know,
anyone
who
wasn't
able
to
join
us
tonight,
please
feel
free
to
share
what
you
learn
or
share
the
project
website
with
them.
A
So
hopefully
that
takes
care
of
some
housekeeping
and
we
can
get
onto
our
agenda
so
tonight
we're
going
to
introduce
the
the
project
team
and
also
do
a
quick
recap
of
what
we
heard
in
our
first
two
meetings.
Then
we're
going
to
present
some
conceptual
design,
ideas
that
were
based
on
the
feedback
that
we
gathered
from
our
first
meetings
and
also
the
analysis
that
our
design
team
has
done
and
then
we're
going
to
open
it
up
for
the
listening
and
discussion
that
I
was
talking
about
earlier
next
slide.
A
Please
so
for
any
of
you
who
may
have
joined
a
little
bit
late,
my
name
is
Lauren
Bryant
I'm,
the
project
manager
for
Boston,
Parks
and
Recreation.
For
this
exciting
project
renovation,
Christine
brandeo,
is
also
here
from
Boston
parks
and
she's.
Our
Outreach
coordinator,
she's,
a
really
great
resource
for
general
part
questions
or
friends.
Groups
Kyle's
sick
is
the
designer
from
the
project
team.
He
is
with
Kyle,
sick
landscape
architecture
and
he's
going
to
be
leading
our
discussion
tonight
and
he's
joined
by
Mike
Doucette
from
Kyle's
office
next
slide.
A
So
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
decision
making
for
Park
design
projects
and
we
frequently
get
asked
how
that
works.
So
just
wanted
to
share
this
diagram
with
you
to
help
maybe
answer
some
of
those
questions.
We
take
a
lot
of
things
into
consideration
as
we
move
through
projects.
Community
input,
such
as
the
meetings
that
we've
had
phone
calls
from
constituents
emails
all
of
that
from
our
community
ties
into
what
we
do
in
a
really
big
way.
A
You
guys
use
the
parks,
you
know
them
better
than
we
do
so.
That's
always
really
helpful
to
get
that
feedback
from
you
all.
We
factor
in
city
of
Boston
priorities
and
Parks
and
Recreation
goals
and
we're
also
Bound
by
safety
and
Regulatory
guidelines,
and
this
is
a
project
that
has
a
lot
of
regulatory
issues
that
come
up
or
a
lot
of
regulatory
items.
I
should
say
such
as
environmental
and
accessibility
landmarks.
A
So
as
we
go
through
these
projects,
we'll
talk
about
some
of
those
regulatory
items
as
we
get
to
each
of
them,
so
that
you
understand
you
know
where
some
of
those
things
come
into
play
slide.
Please,
please.
Okay,
so
I
know,
there's
a
lot
on
this
schedule
to
look
at
so
I'm,
going
to
try
to
do
a
quick
recap
of
where
we
are
and
our
next
steps.
So,
like
I
said
earlier,
this
is
our
third
community
meeting.
A
We
met
once
on
site
in
October
for
a
site
walk
and
for
some
information
gathering,
and
then
we
had
another
zoom
in
January.
So
the
meeting
tonight
is
going
to
look
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
at
the
project.
From
what
we
showed
last
time,
we
met,
and
also
to
gather
more
feedback
from
you
guys
we're
going
to
be
continuing
to
work
on
conceptual
design
through
this
winter
and,
as
you
know,
there's
a
lot
to
talk
about
in
this
park.
There's
a
lot
that
goes
into
it.
A
There
are
a
lot
of
aspects,
I'm
sure
you've
seen
from
what
we've
already
presented.
So
it's
a
lot
to
talk
about
in
one
meeting.
So
what
we're
going
to
try
to
do
is
in
March
we're
going
to
try
to
break
down
some
meetings
into
some
themed
categories,
so,
if
you're
only
interested
in
one
of
them,
you
can
just
really
dial
into
that
topic
if
you're
interested
in
all
and
can
make
them
that's
fantastic,
but
we'll
also
have
those
recorded
and
on
the
website
as
well.
A
If
you
can't
join
for
all
of
them,
so
on
March
22nd
we're
going
to
have
a
meeting,
that's
really
strictly
talking
about
the
pathways
another
one
on
March
23rd,
that's
going
to
be
more
about
the
Victory
Gardens
and
one
on
March
28th,
which
is
going
to
talk
about
some
of
those
added
scope
items.
We
talked
about
last
time,
which
is
the
war
memorial
Evans
way
bridge
and
the
O'reilly
Monument.
A
So
from
there.
We
may
have
a
couple
of
more
meetings
to
finalize
and
share
with
you
the
final
designs,
and
we
can
share
more
in
March
when
we
think
those
will
be
we'll
be
working
then
on
permitting
and
construction
documents,
and
our
plan
is
still
hopefully
to
start
construction.
Late
fall
of
this
year.
A
A
You
know
we
look
at
making
sure
parks
are
accessible
and
available
to
all
adaptive
and
resilient.
So
I
don't
want
to
go
over
all
of
these
because
I
know
you've
seen
them
in
the
past,
but
they're
here
just
to
remind
you
of
what
all
goes
into
our
design
selections
and
then
with
that
I'm
going
to
pass
it
along
to
Kyle
to
talk
specifically
about
our
goals
for
this
project.
All.
B
Right
thanks,
Lauren
I'm,
Kyle,
zick,
landscape,
architect
and
our
team
of
Consultants
will
be
helping
out
with
this
project.
So
I
mean
this
is
primarily
a
pathway
in
entranceway
project,
and
that
means
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
accessibility,
the
desirability
and
uses
of
the
pathways
stormwater
and
runoff
materials
and
pathway.
Longevity
as
Lauren
hinted
at
there's
a
lot
more
to
it.
So
as
soon
as
we
think
about
the
paths
we're
thinking
about
everything
adjacent
to
them.
Just
look
at
this
photo
here.
It's
also
about
the
trees.
It's
about
the
lawn.
B
But
this
is
our
study
area,
the
Back
Bay
fence
park
with
Park
Drive
on
the
upper
side
here
Fenway
on
the
Lower
Side
Museum
of
Fine
Arts
is
down
here
and
the
Victory
Gardens
are
here
labeled
as
number
eight
Agassi
road
is
number
seven
here
in
Agassi
Bridge,
the
muddy
river
is
blue,
that's
easy
to
spot
Clementi
field
is
here,
is
number
one,
and
then
we
have
the
basketball
courts.
The
Kelleher
Rose
Garden,
the
War
Memorial
and
other
things
we'll
talk
out
talk
about
at
least
as
landmarks
are
the
different
foot.
B
B
Now
the
ownership
that
Lauren
mentioned
is
It's
tricky
because
as
a
park
user
you
don't
think
about
who
owns
the
land
if
it's
state-owned
or
city
owned
or
someone
else.
You
just
know
that
this
is
your
Park,
but
it's
important
from
a
perspective
from
a
lot
of
different
perspectives.
The
orange
the
dominant
color
on
this
diagram
is
city
of
Boston
land
and
you
can
see
the
the
Rose
Garden
the
pathways,
the
quartz
Clementi
field.
What's
in
this
darker
gray,
is
the
war
memorial?
That's
a
parcel,
that's
owned
by
the
Boston
trust
office.
B
So
that's
why
Lauren
mentioned
we're
coordinating
the
trust
office.
Now
the
the
red
or
darker
orange
color
is
state
land
DCR
land.
So
basically,
everything
surrounding
this
park
is
state-owned.
So
if
we
want
to
make
an
accessibility
Improvement
at
Jersey
Street-
and
it
touches
that
outer
sidewalk,
we
have
to
get
permission
from
DCR
to
do
that
and
for
contractors
to
enter
this
site.
They'll
be
crossing
state
land.
B
B
Now.
The
other
thing
you
have
to
remember
is
that
I
mean
one
of
the
great
assets
of
this
park
is
the
Muddy
River,
but
that
also
means
that
there
are
a
lot
of
wetland
jurisdictions
or
at
least
Wetland
resources.
I
should
start
with
I'm
not
going
rate
to
regulatory
issues,
but
there's
a
wetland
in
some
areas
associated
with
the
muddy
river.
That's
what's.
A
B
Green
there's
also
a
bordering
sorry,
there's
also
a
Riverfront
Zone,
which
is
25
feet
from
the
bank
of
the
river
there's
a
hundred
foot
buffer,
which
is
from
the
edge
of
the
Wetland,
and
then
there's
also
a
flood
zone.
This
red
dashed
line.
So
what?
Ultimately,
that
means
is
when
we
go
to
get
permits
from
an
environmental
perspective.
B
B
So
then,
as
we
start
to
look
at
the
pathways,
you
know
it
would
be
easy
to
just
say
we're
going
to
repave
to
make
all
the
pathways
that
exist
in
better
condition,
and
so
we
could
do
that.
But
I
think
this
is
also
a
once
in
a
generation
chance
to
look
at
these
and
say:
are
these
the
paths
in
the
right
spot?
Are
they
the
right
width
and
are
they
performing
all
the
tasks
and
program
that
we
want
them
to?
B
So
this
diagram
is
suggesting
a
couple
different
things
one
each
one
of
these
dotted
blue
boxes
are
areas
in
our
site
analysis
we
identified
as
having
accessibility
issues.
They
didn't
comply
for
one
reason
or
not.
So
when
we
get
our
site
survey
which
we're
due
to
have
over
the
next
few
days,
we
were
gonna,
we
will
study
all
of
these
entrances
and
determine
how
do
we
make
them
accessible?
Some
might
be
very
easy.
The
ones
on
meeting
up
to
both
of
the
foot
bridges
near
the
MFA
are
actually
pretty
difficult.
B
And
there
are
other
circumstances
too
with
that
addition
of
the
Evans
way
Bridge
it
changes
circulation
in
the
park
quite
a
bit.
So
if
we,
you
can
imagine
quite
a
population
that
would
use
this
entrance
or
exit
and
then
may
want
to
be
heading
toward
Jersey
Street
or
may
want
to
go
to
the
rose
gardens
that
changes
how
these
Pathways
could
work.
So
I'll
show
you
some
studies
there
and
there's
some
publicly
accessible
garden
plots
in
the
victory
garden
that
we
will
look
at
to
see
should
they
have
permanent,
accessible
Pathways
to
them.
B
So
I
started
talking
about
this
Dash
box
in
between
the
quartz
and
the
Rose
Garden
I'm,
going
to
show
you
a
few
different
options
and
they're
we
very
on
purpose.
We
have
different
options
here
to
get
a
reaction
about
okay,
I'll,
do
the
existing
path,
alignments
work
for
all
the
different
places
you
go
or
sync
to
the
future,
with
the
addition
of
the
Evans
way
Bridge
or
how
things
could
work
better.
B
If
we
change
the
alignment,
so
we
may
decide
that
what
is
there
is
good-
or
you
may
say,
hey,
there's
an
opportunity
to
change
the
alignments,
so
the
first
option
is
really
just
to
keep.
What's
here
so
I've
added
a
red
line
on
top
of
all
of
the
existing
Pathways.
With
one
exception,
imagine
you're
coming
from
the
Evans
way,
Bridge
there's
a
desire
line
to
cut
across
this
lawn
panel
and
head
like
you're,
going
to
Jersey
Street
or
you
could
decide
you're
going
other
places.
C
B
And
I
I'll
point
out
something:
first,
the
connection
between
the
basketball
courts,
Across
The
Lawns,
the
Rose
Garden.
There
is
a
connection
it
doesn't
line
up.
Does
that
matter?
Does
anyone
make
that
connection
that
we
would
like
to
know
that,
but
one
thought
is
just
to
at
least
make
that
feel
more
connected
visually
and
practically
just
to
put
a
slight
Arc
to
that
path
so
that
they
they
are
connected.
Otherwise
everything
else
is
the
same
as
what
I
just
showed
you,
including.
B
For
the
Evans
way
Bridge,
then
you
can
start
to
think
about
it.
A
little
differently.
You're
like
oh,
the
Evans
way
Bridge.
Maybe
it's
really
going
to
change
traffic
patterns
from
a
pedestrian
perspective
and
yes,
I
may
go
to
Jersey
Street,
but
what,
if
I,
want
to
go
toward
the
Rose
Garden
or
go
further
north?
So
this
is
an
opportunity
to
add
a
segment
across
this
lawn,
and
the
kind
of
things
we
want
to
hear
is
from
you
all
is.
B
B
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Kyle
just
wanted
to
jump
in
really
quickly
and
talk
about,
like
Kyle,
said
a
lot
of
what
we
heard
last
month
when
we
met.
As
many
of
you
know,
the
emerald
necklace
Parks
have
a
standard
of
bike,
access
on
the
outer
Pathways
and
keeping
the
inner
Pathways
pedestrian.
Only
we
had
we
know
when
this
project
started.
We
had
had
some
requests
from
bike
Advocates.
A
To
take
a
look
at
you
know,
are
we
willing
to?
Could
we
increase
bike
access
within
the
park
itself
and
we
discussed
it
at
our
last
meeting,
mainly
because
we
really
wanted
to
hear
from
the
park
users
we
wanted
to
see
if
we're
getting
this
request.
You
know
what
do
people
feel
about
that,
and
we
heard
you.
We
heard
everybody
loud
and
clear,
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
guys
know
that
we
took
that
to
heart
and
we
went
back
and
had
a
conversation
with
senior
staff
at
Boston.
A
Parks
talked
to
them
about
you,
know,
pluses
and
minuses.
You
know
that
we
looked
at
with
analysis.
We
talked
to
them
about
what
we
heard
from
the
community
and
concerns
about
safety,
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
let
you
guys
know
that
we
made
the
decision
not
to
change
the
standards
or
the
rules
around
bike
use
in
Back,
Bay
funds
and
also
as
a
reminder
when
I
say
that
I
say
that
about
our
Pathways
thinking
about
Kyle.
A
Looking
at
that
ownership,
you
know
we
can't
make
a
decision
about
what
DCR
does
in
the
outer
Pathways,
but
that's
a
decision
for
Boston
parks
on
the
inner
Pathways,
and
that
means
that
on
the
inner
Pathways,
including
access
across
existing
Bridges
and
the
future
Evans
way
bridge
will
be
keeping
the
park
pedestrian
only
and
we
will
be
looking
at
signage
as
part
of
the
project.
But
we
don't
have
any
specifics
on
that
yet.
A
B
B
A
And
Kyle
just
to
jump
in
sorry,
one
more
thing
and
when
I
say
that
about
DCR
we
have
met
with
DCR
and
our
understanding
is
that
they
plan
to
keep
that
outer
Pathway
to
be
both
pedestrian
and
bicycles,
as
it
is
now.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everybody
knew
I
can't
I
can't
definitively
State
what
they
will
do
or
not
do.
This
is
just
a
discussion
about
like
what's
what's
happening
on
those
inner
Pathways
for
them.
B
B
If
you
want
to
get
across
the
park
at
night,
you
would
use
Agassi
Road
or
the
northern
Footbridge
to
head
toward
Park
Drive,
but
it
doesn't
follow
the
more
popular
desire
line
to
Jersey
Street.
So
this
reddish
orange
color
we're
suggesting
that
we
would
light
that
segment
now.
This
would
be
influenced
by
those
pathway,
alignments
I
showed
earlier,
and
then
also
that
the
pathway
from
the
Evans
way
Bridge
toward
Jersey
would
also
have
lighting.
B
Now,
some
of
the
lights
around
the
well
the
lights
around
the
perimeter
are
DCR
owned.
There
are
some
things
that
we
saw
that
we
thought
there's
some
deficiencies
in
terms
of
light
levels.
That
kind
of
thing
we've
conveyed
that
information
to
DCR
they're
going
to
look
at
it,
but
it's
not
in
our
control
as
part
of
this
project.
B
B
So
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
sense
of
what
this
diagram
is
showing
the
orange
hexagons
are
existing
benches
to
replace
and
when
I
say,
replace
they're,
either
in
poor
condition,
they're
a
style
that
is
outdated
and
not
is
the
emerald
necklace
or
Back
Bay
fence
standard.
The
red
hexagon
is
a
new
bench
to
put
in
a
location
where
there
isn't
a
bench
today.
I
can
tell
you
looking
at
historic
photos.
There
were
many
more
benches
than
there
are
out
here
today,
so
some
have
been
probably
purposely
removed.
B
Others
have
been
removed
because
of
the
condition,
but
also
the
Styles
and
benches
changed
in
May
of
the
quantities
have
changed
throughout
the
time
as
well.
Some
red
rectangles
are
picnic
tables
and
we'll
talk
about
that
as
we
get
into
the
victory
garden.
More
specifically,
there's
a
number
of
drinking
fountains
throughout
in
the
park,
I'm,
not
sure
if
any
of
them
work
they're
all
of
different
conditions,
not
all
of
them
are
accessible,
so
we'll
make
sure
that
we
update
those
that
are
functional
and
accessible
trash
receptacles.
B
B
In
terms
of
site,
some
of
the
site,
Furnishings,
there's
like
I,
said
a
mixed
bag
of
Styles
out
there.
The
bench
that's
used
at
Jamaica,
Pond
and
in
the
Riverway
is
a
cast
iron
and
with
a
wood
seat,
and
that's
what's
suggested
as
part
of
the
emerald
necklace,
Parks
master
plan
to
be
used
as
the
standard
bench
and
if
we
were
to
have
a
picnic
table
which
is
doesn't
exist
in
the
park
now,
it
could
relate
to
that
style
very
closely
with
a
cast.
B
You
can
think
of
it
differently
and
say
well
what,
if
we
had
something
that
had
lines
that
were
inspired
by
historic
features,
but
were
a
little
bit
more
distinctly
contemporary,
wouldn't
necessarily
have
to
be
green,
maybe
they're
black,
and
this
would
be
all
metal
instead
of
metal
and
wood.
I
mentioned
the
drinking
fountains.
This
is
one
that
has
a
bottle
filler
and
it
has
an
accessible
arm.
B
So
I
mentioned
the
victory
garden.
So
we
have
an
entire
plan
here,
focused
on
the
victory
garden
and,
as
Lauren
mentioned
in
March,
we're
going
to
have
an
entire
meeting
focused
on
the
victory
guard,
but
we'll
stay
fairly
high
level
with
this
diagram
to
talk
about
the
wishlist
items
we've
heard
so
far,
but
some
of
the
things
we've
observed
as
well.
B
B
We
also
have
a
memorial
stone
there,
there's
a
information
board,
so
all
these
things
could
be
made
a
little
bit
more
consistent
or
coherent
and
I.
Think
what
we'll
be
asking
your
opinion
about?
Is
you
know
how
developed
or
not
developed
should
that
be,
and
how
does
that
relate
stylistically
to
the
overall
park
into
the
victory
garden?
B
There's
also
a
number
of
smaller
to
do.
Items
like
there
are
a
series
of
light
fixtures
along
this
path.
They
have
overhead
wires,
ideally
as
we
repave
this
path,
we'd
like
to
get
those
wires,
Underground,
there's
a
wooden
irrigation
enclosure
around
the
irrigation
supply
for
all
the
gardens
along
Park
Drive,
we'd
like
to
make
that
a
more
permanent
and
durable
enclosure,
and
very
specifically,
there's
some
roots
for
this
very
large
and
beloved
willow
tree
that
are
heaving.
The
pavement
and
we'd
like
to
repave
that
path
and
make
it
accessible
without
tripping
hazards.
B
There
are
some
other
garden
plots
that
are
publicly
that
are
public
gardens,
the
urban
medicinal
Garden
there's
an
accessible
Garden,
an
apiary
and
a
pollinator
Garden
there's
also
a
Community
Nursery
meetings.
We've
had
with
the
victory
garden
have
suggested
that
there
could
be
permanent,
pads
added
to
make
those
accessible.
B
So
that's
something
we'd
like
to
get
more
input
on
earlier
I
mentioned
I
think
there
has
been
picnic,
tables
or
seating
in
this
lawn
area
in
the
past
and
they've
been
removed,
because
maybe
they
have
been
used
as
intended,
but
I
think
that's
something
to
consider
again
and
is
that
a
good
idea?
Or
do
you
anticipate
that
they'll
be
used
inappropriately?
B
B
Here,
it's
set
up
on
two
different
levels
with
stairs
taking
you
to
each
level,
there's
a
Podium
and
then
everything
else
radiates
out
from
that
with
this
circle,
and
then
these
radial
arms
and
another
part
of
the
circle,
the
Korea
and
Vietnam
memorials
were
added
later
on
each
one
of
these
spokes
and
there's
condition
issues
with
all
of
the
masonry
and
some
of
that's
to
be
expected.
You
know
if
this
is
built
in
1950s,
there's
some
masonry
that
needs
to
be
repointed.
It's
a
masonry
that
needs
to
be
repaired.
B
It
was
also
built
before
Ada
was
enacted,
so
it's
not
accessible.
There
are
stairs
here.
The
stairs
are
uneven.
There's
no
handrails!
So
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
providing
accessible
and
accessible
route
to
both
of
these
levels
and
to
the
whole
Memorial
in
general,
and
you
know
the
things
we're
thinking
about
is
how
do
you
integrate
that
in
here?
B
Like
your
input
on
you
know
what
kind
of
lighting
should
that
really
be
right
now
it's
flood
lighting
that
generally
lights
the
whole
area
from
a
safety
perspective,
but
could
it
do
more
from
a
highlighting
architecture
or
the
The
Monuments
themselves,
we're
looking
at
the
use,
the
shrubs
in
general,
because
they're
much
larger
than
they
intended
to
be?
Originally,
you
know
they're,
probably
four
feet
tall
and
10
feet
wide
now
and
people
can
be
obscured
behind
them.
They
collect
trash
There's
issues
with
rodents.
B
And
then
both
the
Korea
and
Vietnam
memorial
have
some
pavement
issues.
There's
a
special
pavement
there
that
was
installed
it's
a
Terrazzo
which
is
not
fared
well
in
the
New
England.
You
know,
freeze
thought
environment.
So
that's
something
we'll
look
at
how
we
can
maintain
the
bronze
reliefs,
the
inset
Maps,
but
then
change
the
paving
material
to
be
something
that
would
be
durable.
B
Few
photos
here
that
illustrate
some
of
these
issues,
some
of
it's
just
for
orientation,
a
wonderful
you
know
very
formal
Memorial
with
the
different
levels,
the
Bronze
Statues
and
places
to
sit
and
gather.
Now
there
are
concerns
about
some
materials
and
even
the
design.
You
know
the
stairs
here
have
different
widths
and
Heights,
which
doesn't
meet
current
building
code.
The
stair
Heights
actually
are
dramatically
different,
leading
to
the
upper
level
anywhere
from
five
inches
to
ten
inches.
B
B
Vegetation
as
it
relates
to
the
pathways
is
something
we're
going
to
look
at
too,
and
this
can
mean
a
lot
of
different
things.
It
could
be
safety
pruning.
You
know,
paths
that
are
over
have
trees,
overhanging
them
that
have
dead.
Wood
would
prune
that
raising
some
of
the
canopy
over
Pathways,
so
that
large
Vehicles
can
access
these
paths
and
not
do
any
damage,
but
I'll
show
you
some
pictures
to
further
illustrate
what
I'm
talking
about
you
know:
here's
a
path
leading
from
the
southern
Footbridge
heading
toward
the
basketball
courts.
B
There
are
shrubs
near
the
muddy
river,
just
off
of
the
track
and
field
area
at
the
Clementi
field,
and
also
near
the
war
memorial
that
overhang
the
path
more
than
half
of
the
path,
and
you
can
see
that
people
in
maintenance
Vehicles
then
routinely
go
off
the
path
to
avoid
that
there
are
areas
up
by
mother's
rest,
where
there's
a
steep
slope
that
has
trees
on
it.
That
has
no
vegetation,
no
lawn
or
anything
just
bare
Earth,
that's
eroding
and
over
by
the
northern
Footbridge.
There's
a
bank
along
the
muddy
river.
B
That
also
is
bare
that
could
use
some
vegetation
and
I
brought
this
up
earlier.
The
back
side
of
the
memorial
has
these
Legacy
shrubs
that
really
have
not
performing
the
same
purpose
anymore.
Even
some
of
them
are
dead,
there's
artworks
throughout
the
park
and
that's
something
that
Lauren's
already
talked
to
the
Arts
commission
about
and
some
projects
have
already
been
conserved
and
there's
others
to
be
talked
about
more,
but
we've
updated
the
map.
B
Since
the
last
meeting
included
the
Catherine
me
Bates
memorial
marker
and
as
Lauren
mentioned
in
the
March
meetings,
we'll
talk
about
the
O'reilly,
we'll
talk
about
the
war
memorial,
so
we'll
get
into
some
of
these
things
in
more
specifics
and
the
Evans
way
Bridge
since
the
last
meeting,
what
we've
done
is
just
analyzed
the
existing
site.
The
photos
here
are
just
from
a
few
weeks
ago
we
took
measurements
across
the
river
and
between
the
the
old
abutments
and
also
took
some
spot
elevations.
So
we
had
a
sense
of
the
topography
here.
B
So,
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
this
diagram-
that's
the
Fenway
and
Clementi
field
is
off
to
the
right,
and
this
is
the
Muddy
River
and
there's
about
a
two
and
a
half
foot
grade,
change
from
the
Fenway
Pathway
to
the
pathway
down
to
that
would
lead
to
Clementi
field.
And
if
we
were
just
to
follow
the
existing
grade
from
this
Pathway
to
a
bridge
that
would
go
from
the
old
abutment
to
the
old
abutment,
it
wouldn't
be
accessible
because
it's
steeper
than
five
percent.
B
So
as
we
start
to
get
into
the
bridge
design
a
little
later,
we'll
have
to
think
about.
You
know:
how
does
this
work?
We
can't
just
replicate
what
was
here
exactly
because
it
wouldn't
comply
with
current
regulations.
So
we'll
have
to
take
that
into
consideration
to
see
you
know
how
do
we
Elevate
the
bridge?
Do
we
slope
the
approaches,
different
ways
and
it
influences
the
bridge
design
in
general?
B
Now
all
three
Bridges
the
Evans
way
bridge
and
the
two
that
are
straddle
the
paths
from
the
Museum
of
Fine
Arts,
were
originally
wood
in
the
1970s.
They
were
replaced
by
bridges
that
looked
like
this.
The
Carol
The
Firm
Associates
in
the
70s,
designed
these
concrete
structure
with
a
stone
veneer
and
metal
railings.
B
There
wasn't
enough
funding
to
replace
the
Evans
way
bridge
at
the
time.
So
that's
why
that
fell
in
disrepairing
was
removed.
So
that's
you
know
we
start
to
think
about.
We
had
an
early
conversation
with
the
landmarks
commission.
They
said.
Well,
you
know,
from
our
perspective,
either
put
back
something
very
similar
to
what
was
there
or
something
clearly
contemporary,
so
I
mean
that
is
fairly
clear
now.
The
other
thing
to
think
about
is
if
this
had
been
replaced
in
the
70s.
It
would
look
like
this.
B
The
original
designer
Arthur
shircliffe
of
this
wooden
bridge
also
designed
bridges
in
the
Esplanade
that
are
a
concrete
structure,
fairly
thin
and
elegant
with
a
metal
railing
and
also
some
with
a
stone
veneer.
So
I
think
these
are
the
different
prototypes.
We
have
including
a
contemporary
approach
that
maybe
is
a
thin
metal
structure
and
an
almost
transparent
railing.
B
So
that's
where
we
really
need
your
input.
You
know,
should
it
be
something
that
looked
like
what
it
was
originally
something
that
was
maybe
contemporary
of
the
original
designer,
but
masonry
is
a
little
bit
more
solid
or
the
1970s
replacement,
which
was
drawing
inspiration
from
those
Esplanade
Bridges
or
something
unique
and
contemporary
that
doesn't
isn't
derived
from
those
earlier
forms.
B
C
D
Okay,
oh
yeah,
we
can
hear
you
yeah.
This
was
fantastic.
I
just
want
to
say
how
great
this
was
and
there's
been
such
a
series
of
meetings
in
the
Fenway
where
we've
showed
up
and
said
things,
and
they
haven't
been
heard,
and
so
I
was
very
surprised
to
hear
the
that
the
comments
from
last
meeting
would
be
integrated
and
the
multi-youth
nature
of
the
past
preserve
so
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
listening
to
the
community.
D
I
just
marked
a
few
comments,
as
you
were
going
through
in
order,
so
I'll
go
through
them
in
the
basketball
court
area.
I
think
what
I
understood
is
that
there's
several
different
pathway
options
that
you're
thinking
about
one
of
the
things
that
I
notice
in
that
area
is
that
the
current
rectangular
lawn
area
that
exists
behind
the
huge
lilac
hedge
is
used
for
Passive
use
people
picnic
there.
They
do
Sports,
so
I.
D
It
gives
me
a
little
bit
of
a
concern
that
putting
up
things
into
angles,
or
you
know,
increasing
the
amount
of
pathway
Crossings,
especially
toward
the
West
Side,
the
top
of
the
park.
The
Park
Drive
side
would
impact
the
ability
of
people
to
use
it
in
that
way,
Maybe
that
type
of
arcing
would
be
less
impactful
closer
down
to
the
killer
towards
the
peace
Bell
side.
D
D
Regarding
specific
lighting
you're
right
that
there
is
floodlighting
at
the
war
memorial.
My
understanding
is
that
that
was
implemented.
That
way,
because
there
was
some
real
safety
concerns
happening
in
that
area.
I
know
we
had
Outreach
Vans
there
working
on
homelessness
issues
and
helping
provide
some
ancillary
Services
there
and
that
the
police
have
also
been
involved
just
a
couple.
Other
things:
the
crown
elevation
for
trees
that
you
suggested
as
vegetation
management.
D
Would
that
help
to
reduce
the
number
of
tree
removals
and
have
you
started
looking
at
whether
you'll
have
removal
and
if
so,
I
I,
guess
I'm
guessing
that
there
will
be
a
replacement
and
finally,
I
know
that
the
the
trash
barrels
weren't
shown
but
I
do
wonder
whether
they'll
be
upgraded
given
that
we
have
the
50
gallon
drums
right
now.
Thank
you.
A
B
We
have
talked
to
Boston
Parks
maintenance
on
that,
and
the
conversation
isn't
over
because
it
is
a
you
would
think
it
would
be
simple,
but
it's
not
because
of
you
know
the
Packer
comes
through
and
has
to
empty
all
these
barrels,
so
they
have
to
be
efficient,
but
we
also
know
there's
a
concern
about
the
barrels
getting
full
with
household
trash
that
squirrels
or
other
rodents
are
getting
in
there.
So
it's
something
we
need
to
study
a
little
bit
more.
B
The
tree
removal
we
do
not
know
if
there
will
be
any
tree
removals
at
this
point.
That's
something
we'll
be
very
transparent
about,
as
we
continue
going
forward
with
this
like
I,
said
we're
going
to
have
a
site
survey
very
soon,
the
next
few
days,
and
that
will
allow
us
to
really
dive
into
the
accessibility
and
changing
alignments
and
what
and
we'll
have
all
the
tree
locations
on
there.
So
that
will
allow
us
to
speak
to
that
more
specifically,
the
pathways
between
the
courts
and
the
Rose
Garden.
Those
comments
were
great.
B
I
appreciate
that,
in
terms
of
not
cutting
up
the
lawn,
so
it
would
be
used
for
Passive
use
lighting.
It
depends
where
the
lights
are,
but
generally
Pathway
lights.
If
we
were
to
add
them
from
Evans
way,
bridge
to
Jersey,
Street
or
even
along
this
diagonal,
they
would
be
using
the
same
Pathway
lights
that
exist
in
the
park,
because
that's
what
Boston,
Street
lighting
will
that's
their
standard
fixture,
but
it's
an
LED
fixture.
So
it's
modern
and
efficient.
A
A
A
E
E
I'll
note
for
one
the
the
the
addition
of
the
resource.
Multiple
pathways
are
connecting
the
Rose
Garden
and
the
basketball
courts.
I
assume
we're
going
to
walk
through
those
at
some
point
and
or
take
input,
I
can't
remember
which
one's
A
B,
C
or
D,
but
nonetheless
I
don't
have
to
do
that
at
the
moment.
E
But
I
I
appreciate
that
there
was
a
connecting
path
that
makes
the
pathway
behind
Clementi
feel
more
natural
that
that
that
that
doesn't
terminate
at
the
basketball
court
so
that
that's
terrific
and
I
did
I.
I
frankly,
would
want
to
see
some
of
those
check
it
out
from
the
ground
level
as
well.
They
they
some
things,
can
look
very
aesthetic
from
the
air
and
then,
when
you
actually
walk
on
them,
you
realize.
Oh,
that's
not
what
I
planned
on
so
I'll
have
to
think
about
those
options
on
lighting.
E
If,
in
fact
the
acorn
lights
are
standard
throughout,
would
they
be
standard
like
all
along
where
there
are
those
Arc
lamps
or
now
LED
lamps
along
the
Fenway
main
path,
the
Fenway
Garden
main
path
as
as?
Well
as
you
made
comments
about
the
the
flood
lamps
at
the
war
memorial
there's
similar
ones
at
the
the
O'reilly
statue
they're.
Just
you
know,
overly
brilliant
and
non-directed
and
I
have
to
say
yeah
I
it
I'm
a
I'm,
a
poor
astronomer
living
in
a
city.
E
It
has
become
almost
impossible
to
see
anything
because
of
the
Brilliance
of
those
lights.
So
you
know
it's
a
it's
it's
you
don't
have
to
take
care
of.
My
astronomy
needs,
but
I
I
actually
think
they
a
softer
and
more
suitable
lighting.
Consistent
with
the
lighting
throughout
the
park
would
be
welcome
the
on
the
rip,
the
path
along
the
river
behind
the
Victory
Gardens
it
it
was
a
term
used.
E
I
can't
remember
it
it's
solid
path
or
a
path
along
the
Route.
Yes,
there's
a
term
for
that
path.
Surface!
I
don't
know
if
it
was
specified
exactly
what
kind
of
services
anticipated
there
I'm
glad
it's
gonna
be
resilient
enough
for
heavy
vehicles
for
safety
reasons
and
we'll
have
seating
but
I'm
curious.
If
there's
any
decision
about
the
nature
of
that
past,
the
the
final
surfacing
on
that
and
that's
just
an
open
question
and
then
on
Bridges
I
vote
for
the
certif
designs
with
the
Stone
facing.
B
Well,
it's
too
soon
for
me
to
say:
is
it
going
to
be
stone,
dust
and
look
like
other
things
or
would
it
be
paved
I?
Think
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
come
into
that
because
we're
going
to
analyze
the
soil,
we're
going
to
think
about
how
we
manage
storm
water
so
probably
too
soon
to
say,
yeah
and
then.
E
Could
I
just
make
one
comment
about
that
before
you
move
on
it's
at
the
bottom
of
a
very
you
know,
Long
Hill,
that
that
is
there's
water
flow
down
the
not
just
down
the
path
but
from
the
gardens
yeah.
You
know,
as
you
know,
and
so
that
has
been
part
of
the
degradation
of
that
path
over
time
it
has
flooded.
It
has
gotten
sinkholes
it.
You
know
so.
I
I
assume
that's
going
to
be
factored
into
any
long-term
solution
that
would
allow
the
natural
flow
of
of
water.
E
F
Okay,
thank
you
guys
very
much.
Well,
I
meant
myself
to
just
a
couple
areas
as
far
as
the
pathways
go,
I
really
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
look
at
what
the
desire
lines
are
and
deal
with
those,
because
those
desire
lines
will
not
change
over
time,
no
matter
what
we
do
with
the
other
paths,
so
look
at
the
desire
lines
and
let's
see
how
we
can
change
those
paths
to
match
the
desire
lines.
F
The
other
thing
that
really
concerns
me
is
where
we're
going
to
put
seating
and
the
type
of
seeding
that
it
is
so
in
the
in
the
Grove
section
of
the
gardens,
which
is
that
middle
area
right
there
underneath
the
Oaks
and
I
think
it's
the
Tupelo
tree
I
think
that's
a
place
been
used
very
well
by
people
just
spreading
out
blankets
and
sitting
there
and
relaxing
on
the
grass
and
just
in
a
natural
way
and
I.
Think
that's
a
really
good
thing
to
happen
in
that
area.
It's
it's
just
better.
F
When
you
don't
have
a
table,
and
people
actually
sit
on
the
ground
and
interact
with
nature,
but
the
one
thing
I
would
like
to
focus
on
is
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
a
seating
kind
of
placed
like
not
big
seats.
Small
seats
like
four
feet
wide
ones
so
that
elderly
people
that
have
a
hard
time
actually
getting
into
their
Gardens
places
to
stop
and
rest
on
their
way
and
I
really
think.
F
F
Just
really
the
seating
thing
and
not
having
it
become
places
for
people
to
sleep
is
really
important
and
again
just
think
about
the
level
of
people
and
I'm
going
to
be
one
of
those
in
not
too
long.
That's
going
to
need
to
have
places
to
sit
on
their
way
to
their
Garden,
so
just
think
about
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
B
G
G
G
You
know
when,
when
there's
talk
about
you
know
ordering
off-the-shelf
components
like
like
the
like:
the
water,
fountains
I,
really
think,
even
though
it's
it's
more
expensive,
you
know
if
you
had
to
do
a
design
that
that
is
more
historic,
even
if
it
even
if
it
was
had
to
be
custom,
made
or
custom
architected.
You
know,
maybe
there's
a
maybe
there's
a
foundation
in
town
that
would
that
would
help.
You
know
bolster
the
cost
on
that.
G
You
know
I,
think
that's
something
you
you
should
seriously
look
at
and
not
just
be
or
I,
don't
want
to
say
just
ordering
things
from
sweets,
catalog
but
I
think
that's
something
you
should
look
at
with
the
path
around
the
victory
garden.
It
sounds
like
you're
really
gonna
have
to
almost
re.
Do
that
as
like
a
civil
engineering
project
and
make
it
you
know
like
a
road
with
a
base.
You
know
that
can
hold
up
to
what
it's
using.
G
But
then
you
don't
want
it
to
look
like
a
road,
so
maybe
all
that
work
could
be
done
and
then
the
surface
could
be
something
like
brick
so
that
it
just
appears
to
be
a
you
know:
a
park
path,
I
see,
Brick
used
a
lot
around
Boston
very
effectively.
You
know
not
just
on
the
Freedom
Trail
and
it
and
as
far
as
heavy
maintenance
vehicles
and
trucks
you
know
making
you
have
to
trim
the
trees
and
you
know
do
heavy
construction
in
the
park
to
accommodate
them.
I
mean.
G
G
You
know,
I
really
I
really
think
that's
a
good
opportunity
to
do
something
special
that
would
be
in
keeping
with
one
of
the
features
that
makes
all
of
the
emerald
necklace.
So
special
is,
is
the
bridges
and
maybe,
if
you
did
do
the
arch
bridge
that
might
lend
itself
to
the
elevation
changes
and
the
unique
topography
there,
especially
if
it
was
a
rustic
Bridge,
because
if
you,
you
know
those
in
the
Olmstead
Parks
were
inspired
by.
G
You
know
the
Pastoral
bridges
that
you
would
find
in
the
English
Countryside
and
a
lot
of
those
bridges
were
sort
of
vernacular
and
Craftsmen
made
and
they
were
irregular.
You
know
they
might
slope
down
in
one
direction
or
slope
the
other
direction.
So
you
might
find
that
if
you
used
sort
of
a
rustic,
Arch
Bridge,
maybe
something
with
Roxbury
pudding
stone
that
it
might
actually
help
you
deal
with
the
elevation
changes
that
that
are
one
of
the
big
design
factors
for
that.
A
Thank
you,
Alan
I,
appreciate
all
those
comments.
I
do
just
want
to
say:
I
I
love
your
comments
about
how
special
this
park
is
and
finding
things
that
really
fit
in
the
character
of
the
park.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
that
you
know:
Kyle's,
looking
at
the
site
furnishings
and
looking
at
finding
some
cohesive
things
within
the
necklace
such
as
when
he
and
I
worked
on
the
Jamaica
Pond
Pathways
project.
A
So
it's
all
a
balance,
so
I
think
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
and
see
what's
out
there
and
what
what
character
there
is,
but
it's
and
I
think
somebody
else
mentioned
with
the
brick.
We
have
to
worry
about
accessibility,
so
I
love
all
those
ideas
in
terms
of
making
sure
we
keep
the
historic
quality
and
that
feel,
but
it
is
that
balance.
So
hopefully
we
can
report
back
on
some
of
those
items
at
our
next
meeting
too
Pam
I
think
you
had
your
hand
raised
next.
H
Yeah,
okay,
I
had
a
couple
things.
One
is
as
much
as
I
would
love
to
have
you
know
the
convenience
of
picnic
tables
and
benches
in
the
gardens,
I
think
there's
enough
illegal
drug
use,
Etc
that
goes
on
there,
particularly
at
night
that
it's
probably
not
a
good
idea.
I
mean
I'd
like
to
get
other
people's
opinion
on
that
and,
as
Tim
said,
make
the
benches
shorter
so
that
they
can't
people
can't
sleep
there,
but
I
think
that
the
amenity
that
they
are
is
also
going
to
attract
activity
that
we
don't
want.
H
A
question
I
had
for
you
is
I,
walked
on
the
other
side
of
the
muddy
river
along
the
Fenway
on
a
very
rainy
day
in
the
I.
Think
it's
a
compact
that
stone
dust
path.
There
was
so
badly
flooded
that
I
crossed
the
street
and
walked
on
the
other
side.
Is
that
pathway
part
of
this
project
or
is
that
a
DCR
pathway.
H
A
That
is
not
an
easy
answer
to
give
right
this
second
Pam.
The
short
answer
is,
it
is
a
DCR
path.
The
long
answer
is
in
terms
of
is
it.
Part
of
this
project
is
like
we
were
saying:
we've
been
coordinating
with
a
lot
of
different
groups
and
different
agencies,
and
DCR
is
a
big
part
of
that
right,
because
we
we
really
can't
do
anything
on
our
property
without
Crossing
theirs.
But
what
we
have
been
talking
about
is
how
do
we
look
at
this
park
holistically,
including
that
outer
pathway
and
so
we're?
A
We
don't
have
an
answer
yet,
but
both
agencies,
city
of
Boston
parks
and
DCR,
are
looking
at
how
we
can
team
up
in
order
to
try
to
work
on
the
park
as
a
whole,
including
those
outer
Pathways,
but
we're
not
presenting
anything
on
that.
Yet
because
we
we
don't
have
an
answer
so
we're
hoping
that
we
can
look
at
them
all
together.
It's
just
a
matter
of
how
do
we
get
there
so.
H
A
H
A
You're
absolutely
right
and
that's
part
of
why
you
know
we're
sort
of
in
the
same
boat
you
are
in
terms
of
advocating
for
or
against
it,
and
that's
part
of
what
we
typically
do
on
all
of
our
projects
is
talk
to
the
Boston
Police
Department
right.
We
talked
to
them
about
their
thoughts
and
we
really
have
those
conversations
with
them.
So
we're
not
there
yet
on
that
one
either
we're
still
in
the
early
phases,
but
those
conversations
will
come
for
sure.
Pam.
A
I
Hi
everyone
thank
you,
nice
to
see
so
many
familiar
faces.
I'm
gonna
be
very
brief,
because
I
have
another
meeting
at
seven,
but
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
something
Parker
put
in
the
chat
about
the
importance
of
Agassi
road.
If
bikes
are
not
going
to
be
allowed
like,
if
someone's
trying
to
get
from
Northeastern
or
somewhere
Midway
on
one
side
to
Midway
on
the
other
side,
it
would
be
a
long
way
around
and
I,
don't
know.
I
I
A
Yes,
we
are,
and
then
we're
definitely
gonna
and
it
may
have
been
a
little
small
on
the
plan
that
Kyle
was
showing
earlier.
There
definitely
are
locations
that
we're
looking
at
bike
racks
and
we
also
had
talked
to
BTD
in
terms
of
some
friendly
language
around
this
right
Dismount,
your
bike.
You
know
things
like
that
that
try
to
help
try
to
try
to
help
curb
Behavior,
because
we
all
know,
regardless
of
what
signs
we
put
up,
people
are
going
to
some.
A
Some
people
are
going
to
do
what
they're
going
to
do
anyway,
but
yes,
signage
and
bike
racks
are
definitely
part
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
one
of
the
other
things
there
at
DCR
is
definitely
currently
looking
at
what
is
to
become
a
vagasses
road.
It's
conversations
that
they're
having
with
the
Army
Corps
right
now,
because
part
of
that
project
is
to
put
back
what
was
you
know,
torn
up
as
part
of
the
project,
but
what
they're
looking
at
is
what
could
it
be
instead?
A
So
that's
an
active
conversation
that
DCR
is
currently
having
we're,
not
necessarily
really
privileged
to
every
single
conversation
they
have.
But
we
know
it's
something
that
they're
looking
at
and
we
are
collaborating
with
them
on
it.
We
just
don't
know
but
like
I
was
telling
Mark
I
was
saying
in
the
chat
I'm
happy
to
pass
that
concern
along
to
them
so
that
as
they're
having
those
conversations
they
know
it
came
up
here
too.
I
A
J
J
B
B
J
B
Would
assume
that's
and
they'll
be
concerned
about
storm
water
management
in
general?
Now
how
we
get?
There
is
another
story.
You
know
because
there's
different
tools
in
the
toolbox,
previous
pavement
is
one
of
them,
but
previous
pavement
doesn't
work
well
when
you
have
a
high
ground
water
table,
and
we
will
have
that
in
that
location,
but
there
are
other
ways
to
capture,
treat
and
infiltrate
that
water.
B
A
Thank
you.
Allison
also,
I
know
that
we
have
representatives
from
some
of
our
elected
officials.
Here
I
know
we
have
somebody
from
Senator
brownsberger's
office
and
rep
living
stones
and
also
councilor
Bach
Kennedy
Audrey
Kimberly.
Do
any
of
you
guys
have
any
comments
or
anything
you
guys
want
to
add.
C
A
Thank
you
thanks
for
joining
us.
Okay,
Andres
is
nothing
perfect.
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
guys
had
an
opportunity
if
you
wanted
to
share
anything
before
we
I
appreciate
all
of
your
time
tonight.
I
know
this
is
a
lot
like
we
said.
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
share
is
that
it
was
brought
to
my
attention
tonight
that
March
22nd
is
the
as
a
Fenway
Civic
meeting,
which
we
weren't,
aware
of
so
I
apologize.