Brisbane, California Open Space and Ecology Meeting, 28 Sep 2022

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Agenda: https://www.brisbaneca.org/bc-openspace/page/open-space-and-ecology-committee-meeting-69

00:00:00 MEETING SETUP AND INTRODUCTION
00:03:43 CALL TO ORDER
00:03:53 ROLL CALL
00:04:46 ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA
00:05:27 ANNOUNCEMENTS
00:08:01 ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
00:08:36 APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES
A. Minutes of August 24, 2022
NEW BUSINESS
00:09:28 B. Annual waste diversion report – Teresa Montgomery, South San Francisco Scavenger Co
01:32:24 C. Recommending a letter encouraging a federal Climate Emergency Declaration
01:37:43 STAFF UPDATES
01:45:34 SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS AND ASSIGNMENTS
02:24:06 CALENDAR ITEMS
02:25:35 CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBER MATTERS
NEXT MEETING: October 26, 2022
ADJOURNMENT

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There we go um okay, so.

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All right welcome to the uh September 28th, open space and ecology committee here in lovely Brisbane, um our vice chair today, Aaron Becker will be reading us the brown Act.

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She's unmuted, if I'm unmuted, uh this meeting is compliant with the Ralph m brown act as amended by California Assembly bill number, 361, effective, September, 16, 2020, 20, sorry, 20 2021, providing for a public health emergency exception to the standard teleconference rules required by the brown Act. The purpose of this is to provide a safe environment for the public staff and committee members, while allowing for public participation. The public May address the committee using exclusively remote public comment options.

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The committee may take action on any item listed in the agenda public meeting videos, members of the public May view the open space and ecology committee meeting by logging into the zoom meeting listed below open, spacing ecology committee meetings can also be viewed, live and or on demand via the city's YouTube channel www.youtube.com Brisbane CA. All one word website, uh oh finally, got lost or on Comcast channel 727 archive videos can be replayed on the city's website. Http colon slash, slash, brisbaneca.org meetings to address the committee.

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The open space and ecology committee osec meeting will be an exclusively virtual meeting. The osec agenda materials may be viewed online at www.brisbaneca.org at least 24 hours prior to a special meeting and at least 72 hours prior to a regular meeting remote public comments. Meeting participants are encouraged to submit public comments in writing in advance of the meeting aside from commenting while in the zoo meeting, the following email and text line will also be monitored during the meeting and public comments received will be read into the record during oral Communications or during an item.

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The email is a e t, h e r t, o n a Atherton at brisbaneca.org.

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um The Zoom meeting is www dot, brisbaneca.org Zoom uh hyphen osec. The meeting ID is.

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976-4295-0160, the passcode is five four four five one one and the call-in number is 669-900-9128.

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Special assistance, if you need special assistance to participate in this meeting, please contact contact, Adrian Etherton at a-e-t-h-e-r-t-o-n at brisbaneca.org or 415-508-2118 notification in advance of the meeting will enable the city to make reasonable arrangements to ensure accessibility to this meeting.

C

Very good, thank you. All right, I will call this meeting to order. Let's do the roll call uh Aaron Becker I'm here, Sonic elmy's.

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Glenn Feldman here um Mary Rogers here and Michelle salmon here right, um I'd like to call for the adoption of tonight's agenda.

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I move that we adopt the agenda.

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I, don't think I got real cold.

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Oh I'm, sorry Barbara, I'm, Barbara, evil for the Roll Call here I'm. Sorry, you blinked off my screen.

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um All right, we are all accounted and present.

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Move that we adopt the agenda is there a second yep.

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I'll second, it for.

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Do you want me to just go ahead and call the Roll Call sure, okay,.

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Salmon, yes, call me yes, Becker. Yes, yes,.

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Rogers, yes, Noonan, yes, hi did I miss anyone.

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Announcements does anyone have any announcements.

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I have one mark your calendars for November, 19th I know that's a long ways away. It's a Saturday late afternoon or early evening we are having. Finally, the San Bruno Mountain watches hosting the book signing of the San Bruno Mountain Flora done by uh Doug, allhouse and and uh David I get David's last name anyway. It's really exciting guys, pardon no, not David Scully um Dr, David I was calling Dr David I, can't think of his last name. I'm, sorry spacing out, but saved November 19th there will be um hors d'oeuvres cocktails.

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Etc ticket prices include the book, so there you go. Thank you.

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I'm just gonna say out loud now that I probably have to back out of day in the park.

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um Unfortunately, Traviata is not going to build it though I tried to tell it to do that, but you know the ship needs his captain.

E

You will be missed, yes,.

F

Yeah sorry, this is the first one. I've missed and I can't think how long but I'm gonna be missing a lot of different things. You know, like my my husband's board game booth, you know I, feel and of course, um osak incredible and everything so I just yeah work.

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um Are we going to be, may I be recognized yes, or are we going to talk about Dan the park because, to be honest, I forgot, which shift I signed up for so.

H

Let's, um let's go over that.

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um Maybe during subcommittee reports, I'll pull up the um list and maybe we'll see if we can shift if we need to shift anybody around to help cover, because I think Barbara was filling in um a spot in the afternoon where we might be light. So um we'll I'll pull that up um before we get to that point agenda and we can figure it out, then any other announcement.

C

Are there any oral Communications.

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Received any correspondence and I do not see that we have any members of the public with us.

E

Yeah now that Aaron's no longer lurking and she's a member of the committee, we need more audience.

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All right, you can put out the note for lurkers.

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um All right well uh I'd like to um do something about the approval of last meetings. Minutes.

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Does anybody have any objections to that or Corrections that they would like to add.

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Since I missed last meeting.

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Okay, I will move that we approve the minutes from the last meeting. All.

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Second, all.

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Right um salmon: yes, Becker, yes, Billman, yes, Rogers, yes, Newnan! Yes, tell.

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Yes and Evil abstains.

C

All right, my business yay.

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I think uh probably everyone has been here for at least one.

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Of these annual presentations at this point in time.

H

So not a whole lot of introduction needed, but maybe for anybody from the public watching I'll.

B

Just note that Teresa Montgomery from South San Francisco scavenger, is our you know, counterpart and I think we are probably in touch with each.

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Other at least a couple of times a week this year with some.

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Of the um big roll out of Statewide programs going on so um she's a great partner for us and we're glad to have her here with us again to give her annual diversion reports. So Teresa uh go ahead and take it away. And just let me know when you're ready for a.

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New slide, ah this is awesome. Can everybody hear me? Okay, all right, I'm on a new home computer and so um still learning my way around it.

H

um I always enjoy joining this group, because um this is preaching to the choir. So many like-minded people um all working in the same direction- it's um it's lovely um and so I will I will jump right in as as Adrian said, I'm Theresa, Montgomery, I'm sustainability manager for South San, Francisco, scavenger um I've been there since 2016.

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um and before that worked for some sister companies and Ashley started at South. San Francisco in the mid 90s and um moving along did some other things and was recycled in 2016 back to my favorite company and my favorite area here on the peninsula.

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um I will just jump right in if you'll go to the first slide. Adrian. That would be great. um Adrian and I have been working hard. The last several weeks on our annual report for Calvary cycle and we're still working through all the details there.

H

um So I wasn't comfortable presenting data from 2021 just yet because it hasn't all been approved and cleared through the state, but looking at Total Disposal numbers for 2020 I thought was a good place to begin. If you'll recall last year, when we talked I, think there was some surprise over the state's calculation of how many pounds of trash are created per day per person in Brisbane.

H

um The way the state calculates. That is pretty simple. It's every time that goes to a California landfill has to be tied back to a jurisdiction, so calorie cycle says is in 2020. They had 6719 tons of garbage disposed of in California landfills that were reported as generated being generated from the city of Brisbane.

H

So then what they do is they divide that number? They they do the math they they convert from tons to pounds, and then they divide by the total population in Brisbane and then by 365 days a year, and they come up with about eight pounds of trash per person per day, and then they calculated another way not based on population but based on employment, and when they do that.

H

If the number changes dramatically from eight pounds per person today to seven point or sorry to 4.7 pounds per day per person, um these numbers I gotta tell you- can are quite interesting because if you compare Brisbane to say, South San Francisco, which is our our immediate neighbor in 2020, the math for them comes out to 3.4 pounds per person per day based on population and 4.2 pounds per day based on employment numbers.

H

Quite interesting, because when you look at Brisbane we have the the number of people that work in Brisbane is a lot higher than the number of people that live there. So that can skew excuse the numbers. A lot did I see a hand. Go up. Did somebody have a.

J

Question yeah I I was going to ask you to if you could explain that employment thing.

H

The state keeps numbers on how many people are working, it's like daytime population versus nighttime, population, okay and then I wanted to compare, also Millbrae, which you might consider to be a little bit more like Brisbane, but it's actually not. There is um far more residential in Brisbane I mean sorry and Millbrae than there is commercial, so their numbers calculate a lot differently for them.

H

The let's see they generate the state estimates 2.7 pounds per person per day based on population, but get this 11.2 pounds per day based on employment numbers, so it's because they have a much higher residential base than commercial. So you know the pounds per day.

H

The numbers are important, but less important than just looking at look. The total amount that our city sent to a landfill in 2020 was 6719 tons.

H

It's it's quite a bit, but when you consider that we also are estimated to have recycled about 75 percent of our waste in 2020., think about how many tons would be disposed of if we weren't doing all the recycling and composting, so the state kind of made a change for years after AB 939 passed in the late 80s, they always they calculated Things based on percent recycled percent land. It was, it was different. Now all the state really cares about is how much is going to the landfill.

J

So, just to be clear that total would include things like um construction waste that didn't get recycled, that got sent to a landfill. Is that right, correct.

H

So that you know that is when there's a lot of construction if the material is not being handled responsibly, that can definitely, you know, drive up your landfill numbers, but what I'm finding is almost all new construction is, you know the city is tracking what people are doing and holding them to a high standard of separating out their waste and we're not seeing a whole lot of standard garbage come in in construction and demolition loads, we're seeing wood and metal and materials that we can pull out and get recycled.

H

So it's you know what what we're also seeing is because of the pandemic I, think and because of drought. There's some changes in in waste numbers. Lately um we get a lot a lot less yard waste now than we once did, because a lot of people pulled out their lawn. You know put in native plants put in things that don't have to be trimmed as often and that affects things um and then just to shift.

H

You know from the pandemic when a lot of people came home, we're working from home um or even some people lost their jobs and we got less commercial waste, but more Residential Waste.

H

So things shift a little bit, um but you know overall, I think we're fortunate in Brisbane and that just the general personality of our community is that you know the environment is important and everyone should do their part so and we offer all the services that allow people to do their part, and that puts us ahead of many other jurisdictions in the state of California any other questions or can I move to the next slide. It looks like we have a.

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Few hands up Barbara's uh looks to be first sure.

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um Yeah I was just wondering: I mean the their methodology seems really strange to me. It seems to me because you can throw out trash at work and you can throw out trash at home and those are two separate accounts and and they're two separate sources as much as two different people are.

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um You know, because my work, my work, you know requires me to use products and dispose of them in a different way than I do at home.

F

um So it seems to me like the better methodology and I suppose I'm just like barking at a tree right now, because it's not like Teresa is going to do anything about this, but would be residential population plus employment. You know number divided by residential population plus employment population.

F

That would help even out some of the disparities depending on what type of community you have.

H

I follow your logic: I, don't I, don't necessarily disagree, but I, guess the you know the state they cross the board. Every jurisdiction is measured in this way. So it's definitely not a perfect way to to calculate what's being done, and it's not the only thing that the state considers, but it is the main thing when they look at how much are you sending to the landfill who's generating that and I mean the truth?

H

Is that a huge huge portion of it is for sure coming from our businesses, but our businesses are also doing a whole lot of recycling and composting.

H

But those numbers, the recycling and composting numbers- don't come into play here. This is purely you know, tons disposed of at the landfill, we have lots more hands. Who was who was next.

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Believe Mary is now yeah. I was um excuse me do you happen to have 2019 um stats, candy.

H

They're very similar I looked them up a little bit earlier.

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H

I noticed that they were, um let me see if I have my notes. Here all I um indicated was that they were very similar. Our amount of tons disposed of were is still in that six thousand range. There wasn't a big change. Okay,.

G

All righty, thank you.

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I guess, from my perspective, having heard this presentation a few years in a row and worked on this reporting a few years now um it been pretty consistent, it hasn't been huge shifts. I think you know at this point.

H

I think we're going to find that when we have the 2021 numbers um confirmed that they will have gone up and that's for a variety of reasons. You know with pandemic change and then also with all the construction um things just kind of picked up somewhat. So when we have those finalized we'll share those too.

E

So my question is about population, I did reverse calculation and it shows the population of Brisbane being 4602 people. Where did they get that number and then my other question is uh the employees it's doing it in reverse. It says we have 7833 employees in Brisbane and I'm curious where the bulk of those are employed, because you know I, don't it doesn't seem like that. Many.

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um I don't like Adrian. Do you know if? Because I know that those are all automatically put into our report, so they're coming from the state yeah.

B

They're coming from State sources, I think census is right, I want to say the employment um numbers may actually come from like Department of Finance or EDD, or one of those kind of agencies um that's more closely tied with um employers in their reporting tax purposes and what.

E

Okay, it just seems a little bit. It really seems scared to me and I've, been since last year, still racking my head about how come it's so different that is so high.

E

Okay, thank you.

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What was Barbara next I see her hand up no.

H

I think she may, she may not lowered her hand, yeah.

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So mine was uh just to make sure I understood so that part of our our thing is construction. uh Tonnage is in there as well, and getting divided out over the population did I understand it correctly.

H

Only construction material that was hauled to a landfill. So if we pulled out and recycled or composted it, then it does not. It's not included in that. Okay.

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Okay, so that's making a lot more sense than last year when you do the divided by employment. That I can wrap my head around that, but last year I was like just couldn't possibly be okay, great thanks. So much sure.

H

Barbara, did you have anything else that you wanted to ask or add here before we move on.

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Oh I was saying you know if, if you assume that people are throwing out garbage at home, which I think matches everybody's reality, then that's half a pound per person per day, which is actually pretty good.

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I think people only throw away at work the stuff that they they're garbage from eating at work and things like that I, don't think they carry stuff to work to actually throw it away.

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F

But like when I I do work at the Opera I create a certain amount of garbage. There.

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Don't take that home.

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Right but we can't change the methodology, no matter what so.

F

Yeah right bummer.

H

I expect that it'll change sometime again yeah.

F

um And so what are you guys seeing that's being thrown out? I mean what is what are we sending to landfill and I'm sure you've already considered.

H

How to be tackled I will get to that in a little bit. I have I actually have a few pictures. Foreign.

H

Let's go ahead: yeah I jump in real quick to just mention that you know we. We continue to do things like the county offers free online composting. Workshops the city in conjunction with scavenger, have done the compost, giveaways, um I love the recycled art crash to treasure. Con contest that we just finished taking entries from and that's super fun.

H

um We've just now got the annual yard waste collection put on the calendar for November. So we have all these great programs and we continue to try to do Outreach whatever we do is never enough. We can't seem to reach everyone all the time, but I feel very good about. We have all this um call it like triple coverage. I mean we get the same message out through that my company's social media, the city's social media, the star, the luminary we've got stuff on electronic signboards on 101.

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We, um you know we're we're doing as much as we can to get the word out and still trying to find more ways to do so. um I love that we get information in the city, manager's weekly, e-blasts um I, have to mention you know through Adrian and Randy.

H

In the public works department, there was a direct mail campaign that went out to all of our commercial businesses who weren't subscribing to Organics recycling service, telling them that they needed to start because it's required by state law and local ordinance, and that letter campaign was extremely effective and we have just about everybody on board with the commercial Organics program that is required to at this time, I'm starting in January, we're going to push forward and try to get some of the smaller waste generators on board, um but virtually all the larger generators, meaning businesses that that create at least two cubic yards or more of waste per week.

H

um Are they now have a green bin and that's fabulous? um Let's see, I, don't know if you've all been seeing the trash talk, um q and A's in the luminary. Those have been fun to do. We've been trying to coordinate that with whatever the little Aussie the Organics cart ad is, and then Ozzy shows up in all the other Publications as well and I. Don't know if you can tell from this slide but I'm, having probably a little bit too much fun dressing up.

H

Ozzy, it's it's like playing with color forms when I was six I, don't know if you guys remember, but you know putting different things on them and giving them different expressions and I. Think people are getting used to seeing him and find him fun. I hope that's true, because he's going to continue into next year and he may end up having a friend um if anyone has a great name for the blue cart.

H

Let me know, um let's see, I, think that, let's let's go to the next slide, oh wait before we go to the next slide. I also wanted to mention I've been playing with more YouTube videos, very short ones that are about a minute or less. That just gives somebody one little factoid. It talk like in the little clip on this slide.

H

It's me with a Amazon mailer or some kind of mailer, where it's got plastic bubbles on the inside and I I just spent one minute talking about mailers mailer envelopes and how they're either recyclable or trash. And why, and so my hope is that by making these really short, people will watch them not be overwhelmed and, and then just you know, commit that little factoid to memory and it'll help them to sort better.

H

um I also have the little food wear aware logo on this slide, because I wanted to remind everyone that that that little new ordinance starts being enforceable on Saturday.

H

So that's really exciting to me, because I see a lot of stuff, you ask: what's in the trash, you know, I see a lot of disposable foodware still in all three carts, um sometimes correctly sorted, sometimes not, and this ordinance getting it out there getting more of our food vendors to to try using reusable options and if that, if they're not able to do that, making sure that they're using compostable options stuff, that's truly compostable not just marketed as compostable, but something that we actually can send to a composter.

H

So I'm very excited about that. I. Think it's going to bring a lot of great changes um over the whole County and then we can go to the next slide. Oh Michelle yeah.

E

So just give us the skinny on that envelope, because I'm always having issues with that.

H

Oh okay, so, like the other day, I cracked up I should have it with me to show you, someone sent me a birthday card um and it was the whole card was paper flowers and the envelope said. You know how great this was because it was made of 100 post-consumer paper and it could be recycled again and that every card they sell they plant a tree and I'm like wow wow. This is really cool, except for that they bought it from Amazon and Amazon put it in a plastic mailer.

H

um But anyway, so I had all kinds for that video I had several different kinds of mailers. So if it's part paper and part plastic, the whole thing is trash, so Teresa.

E

These are like, oh yeah, part paper, heart plastic. The whole thing is trash. Okay,.

H

Yeah, because we're not going to separate it and the plastic is not recyclable. Okay, even if you did separate it, you can't we can't recycle bubble, wrap through our programs. Okay and like the Tyvek type kind of looks like paper kind of looks like plastic: that's not recyclable!

H

um Now, I'm, seeing more and more metallic plastic envelopes, not recyclable. um Basically that are recyclable or the ones that are entirely fiber, they're all press board paper, then that's fine. All the other types of mailers are garbage.

E

So in these one minute, videos or one and a half minute videos, could you make it a habit to post those on residents of Brisbane I? Think you're on residence of Brisbane? Aren't you on the Facebook page on the Facebook page yeah.

H

um I, usually it would be great if somebody could pick it up and share it. I um I put them on ours and I and I think most of them have been shared on the city's website.

E

But a lot of people don't look at that so and I try to share them when I see them. But if you could, you could become a member of residence at Brisbane because you work in Brisbane and um then you could just share them directly and people will get to know you through that. They would personally get to know you through that medium and they would get to ask you questions.

E

And if Prime asks who recommended you, you can tell them, I did yeah because he bets everybody, because it is a closed group, but it is well read and uh I think it'd be fun. I think it'd be interesting and I think people do want to know. They'd be curious. You'll get a lot of questions. Trust me I.

H

Don't want to have people who have seen them posted on social media. It usually you know one one thing leads to another and I end up getting out. You know great information. So absolutely we can do more of that.

H

um A good suggestion, there's.

J

A good comment there Andy.

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H

I, don't know if you uh saw the comment in the chat: I'll just go ahead and read it that mctv can.

B

Help with the bulletin board or Channel, um they would need written permission from scavenger and a source to download from so we could help coordinate that um Caroline and I. um If uh Andy and Teresa, you could help me remember to connect after this okay.

E

We'll do I, also love Ozzy, Ozzy and I I do share those when I see them I think they're, hysterical.

H

I'm glad you do because I do too he's, that's the probably the most fun Outreach we've done in a long time. It's you know it's friendly. We we don't want to be.

H

You know we want it to be friendly. We want to make people smile and we want people to talk about it and share what they learn.

H

Barbara did you have something else, I think Shawna did I.

B

Think Barbara is a new hand. I lowered.

H

Her hand after the last round so.

J

Shawna hasn't asked anything yet.

F

Do Shawna first.

C

um This might be a little bit abstract, um so I shred, my bills and and stuff like that can I add that to my organic ways to mix it mix in with my um because they can't put it in the paper recycling but could I mix it with my green waste, and um you know, like my kitchen scraps.

H

You can my only hesitation is it kind of depends on what it was that you shredded? If it was like thermal paper, receipts I would say no.

C

um No just like junk mail and bills and old bills and bank statements and that kind of stuff.

H

They I I actually think I prefer it to be in the Organics, because in the recycling you know the only way, if you put it in the recycling, you've really got to put it in a paper bag or a clear plastic bag um in order for us to grab it on the other end and then most people now their shredders are cutting the paper into such small pieces that the fibers are too short to create a new recycled item.

H

So they are better off composted, so I, but then the the issue with putting it in the compost part is you have to put it in loose and you run the risk of it. You know blowing, so if you put it in I would say you know, hopefully there's enough yard, trimmings and food scraps in there that it makes it moist. So it's not easily airborne.

C

Oh I usually put my my food waste in a paper bat. You know in my paper bag so that I occasionally get and then I mix that in with air I thought it would be better than I thought. We were not allowed to put the paper. The shredded paper in with the paper recycling.

H

I think it is better in the green part, we'll accept it in either one but I just know from watching what happens to it when it goes through. Our facility I think it's better to compost it. Okay,.

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H

As there's nothing toxic in it, you know you don't want it. No.

E

I think it's definitely better to contain it, because sometimes I find it all over the street from Neighbors that just put it in and then.

E

Confetti industry.

H

For that, then, uh to pieces of little styrofoam, you know yeah yeah.

C

H

Okay, should we move to the next one?

H

F

um I just wanted to ask real quick about um the 100. According to the um the film plastic recycling resources, the 100 percent plastic bubble, mailers are recyclable through film plastic and I'm, just as long as all labels and tape are taken off, um which of course is a pain in the butt, um but I just wanted to make sure that that was compatible with your program in the film plastic recycling. We have here in Brisbane.

H

So you know the film plastic cannot be put in in our recycling. Cart. If you want to recycle it, then yeah you've got to find a drop-off place that will allow it and follow whatever instructions they have. We.

F

We have the drop-off place here in the Brisbane post office that you guys service.

H

So that bin is actually now um hosted by the Postal Service and.

H

I believe they're looking to collect stuff, that's generated by mail right, so I think that if you have a mailer there, um it's or uh sorry some type of film plastic from you got in the mail. It's okay to leave it there, but for like dry, cleaner bags, bread bags um other types of bags that we're getting that you can't avoid from grocery stores and whatnot. It's better to look for a drop off at your Market or um you know: Safeway Trader Joe's.

H

Some of them still have collection, bins and I think and the was either the last or the second to last luminary I posted a or I put in a website that you can go to to search drop-off facilities for film plastic, okay. Hopefully, that makes it easier to find one that is convenient.

H

It's getting harder and harder to find places to recycle that film plastic because it takes so much work to actually get it recycled.

F

Okay, thanks for the update, I guess: I missed that luminary one good subject.

E

For a video Theresa.

E

What was that I said? That's a good subject for a video.

H

Yes, it is indeed.

H

Okay, let's uh move to the next slide, so I'll, just buzz through these really quick, just more Outreach, um all of our residential and and Commercial customers should be getting a newsletter um residents, get it every time they get a bill. You get a hard copy of it if you're getting a hard copy of our invoice. Otherwise you should be getting a link to one and we have them posted on our website.

H

um Also, we've got all kinds of other educational materials on our website with you know, tips for successfully participating in the green bin program.

H

um You know for people who are just now getting on board we're hearing the the same comments that we did. You know back almost 10 years ago, when we added food scraps to the yard waste program, people that think it's going to be gross or um that are concerned about bugs and odor and all of those things, so we're making an effort to get lots of information out again on how to keep it clean, um okay and then, oh, do you have a question Barbara.

I

Your hands up, Barbara, you.

H

Should take it down? Okay, then we can go to the next one okay, so this is when we were saying like what are we seeing in the garbage, so we started doing lid flipping, which um sorry Senate Bill 1383 part of that requires that we periodically do random lid flipping. So we need to be checking in carts and bins all over the city to to look for obvious problems, so we're not digging in the trash we're not opening garbage bags.

H

We're not you know we're not being nosy per se, we're opening the lid and looking just to get an idea. Somebody have the gist of this program or or do they not so the the first picture there on the left is someone's garbage cart. You can see a plastic clam shell kind of on the bottom right, that's full of food, so this was one that was like obvious right away.

H

Here's somebody who's not participating in the food waste program um if you zoomed in more on that photo, you'd see actually more fruit and different foods that were just thrown in there A lot of times. When we see a trash. Can that has food in it either their green cart is not out they're, not using it at all, or their green card is out and only has yard trimmings in it.

H

So we're still seeing people who don't use their Green Card the way it's meant to and that are putting too much organic material in their trash. So we need to to make a change there.

H

um The pictures, the two littler pictures on the right are from Green cards. So the number one problem we see in green carts is plastic bags.

H

So when we also see like food bags, where the inside of the Food Bag might be coated in plastic or foil, um if, if that's the case, it's trash, it can't be composted if it's got plastic or foil on it and then reminding people all the time that we really don't want to see any bags, even the ones that are marketed as being compostable in the green cards.

H

um I I looked at our receiving Bay for for green cart material just today and I saw not a lot of bags, but a handful of them. So I know we have a lot of well-meaning people who are spending the money on these compostable bags and they're participating in the food waste program which we really appreciate, but we really still need to get the word out that the bags are a problem they in our anaerobic digesters. Those bags act as a barrier.

H

So what happens when stuff's in bags like this is when we spray the bacteria on the material on the material to get it to break down it can't get through the bag. So at the end of the digestion process, the bag and whatever was in it is undigested.

H

So if you know the more people do that the more worthless our ad facility becomes, so we really really need to keep reminding people, please no bags, and then the other thing is those bags once they leave our digestion facility to go on to a composter. What happens is then the composter has to deal with those bags and usually What I Hear happens. Is they pull out anything that even looks like plastic?

H

They they can't tell if a bag, even if it's marked clearly compostable, they don't really know for sure if something is going to break down during their process or not, and if it's a standard bag petroleum-based bag- and it does not necessarily um it doesn't compost during the process there, but maybe it turns into little tiny pieces because it gets shredded.

H

Heated turned all that kind of stuff. They don't want to take a chance that they're going to have microplastics in their finished compost.

H

So they pull out everything that even looks like plastic at the front end and they send it to landfill so that they can ensure that their final product will be quality that we want to use in our Gardens and our parks.

H

um So the bags really have to be avoided.

H

um Let's see and then the bottom picture, though, has a pizza box in there, which is great so how many people are aware now that pizza boxes are better placed in the compost than the recycling right? Hopefully everybody um they almost always have some level of Grease or cheese or whatever.

H

So they've got to go in the compost bin, not in the recycling and it's you know the green bins bigger than the blue bin anyway, so it's more accommodating for these big pizza boxes, so so that was good with the bags in that cart were not so good and then let's go to the next slide. Please I.

E

Was just going to say that it would be really interesting to do video uh one of your little shorts of what's left in the compost uh after the anaerobic digesting process. I've always been curious about that, because I remember when we took a tour that really impressed me that if you put a Ziploc bag in there full of junk that at the end you would still have a Ziploc bag full of junk. You know yeah, so I think if you showed startle people.

H

E

H

A good idea too I'll make a note. That's another growing list of videos to make I.

E

Have to tell you Teresa made a huge difference when I put when I posted those pictures of the divider and the garbage trucks, and every time somebody brings that up. I post that picture. That shows that it really does go into two separate channels when you, and so a picture is worth a thousand words and you you are on the right track. There.

H

H

G

And from Mary yeah I just have a question: um I, don't know how often you change out the green bins, but if there were any plans in updating those bins to include pictures on the can of what's uh what you can put in there.

H

I, don't know yes, but you are correct that it was a big help and actually, all of our all the carts that we're getting in new now starting over a year ago. They come in with they call it an end, mold label. So it's it's not a sticker that goes on after it's part of the plastic, and it's got um the SB 1383 actually requires this. It has pictures of the common items that belong inside as well as the common contaminants that don't belong inside. Oh good.

H

It's also got a QR code that goes to our website, where you can search for.

K

More information.

H

um It's even better I think it's. That is definitely our first, our first defense or our first round of education is those labels on those parts. So I'll be excited to be able to report eventually that everything out on the street has those kind of labels right now, some of the older green carts I, don't think they say anything on them. Yeah.

G

H

Some that are more like five six years old they're, at least hot stamped, meaning they're stamped in white ink Organics only so they have something on there. But um and we did, we have labels that we're happy to give anyone that wants one that they can slap on their existing cart. If it doesn't have signage that you know that that is helping. So in fact, I should bring some of those today in the park on Saturday yeah.

B

G

Would be great yeah.

B

H

B

Was thinking that as well but I believe we also have a stack of them on the counter in um City Hall, where you can pick up handouts I believe there are some there as well. So.

H

A few years ago we put in our newsletter that if you wanted a label, you could get them from our office or from City Hall. Maybe I should revisit that too make it another note.

E

And the next time you think about Swag, refrigerator magnets that are strong enough to hold that piece of paper on your refrigerator would be really good, because that's where our our notices go, so that we can check on that one. We have a discussion about what goes where a.

H

While ago, because we came to the realization that at the end of the magnet's life, their landfill and a lot of fewer people have refrigerators that facilitate magnets now so now, I kind of don't know what to think.

E

How about a sticky strip on the um on on them that you, the paper, sticky strip, so that you can pull this strip off and stick it on your refrigerator?.

H

Not a bad idea, I think we could bounce back and forth some more ideas too to see how we get it out. There.

E

Yeah, because we we refer to it all the time.

H

That's great okay,.

J

Oh yeah I'm just wondering do you do any Outreach to schools because.

H

All those who teach their parents- oh they, oh my gosh, one of my I- mean I love going to Brisbane Elementary um prior to the pandemic. I would usually go out there about three times a year. I would be invited to speak at one of their early morning, assemblies which is all of the students and then I would return during lunch time and I could walk around and talk to kids about how their lunches were packed.

H

um What they could maybe ask their parents to buy instead or you know, reusable stuff instead of disposable and then I would stand by the recycling and garbage bins so as they were, throwing stuff out, I could help them like.

H

Oh that goes here, and that goes there, and why do you think that is um but I haven't been back since the pandemic and I'm super excited, though, because I'm hearing about all the great food that they're getting now and- and you know, I'm I'm encouraged I- think that you're making a great effort to make food that isn't wasted and to serve it on materials that can be composted.

H

um Of course, I would love reusables instead, if that could be done and I I. Think milk cartons are the number one waste item from schools everywhere. If everyone could go to having like a a cafeteria milk dispenser where you have a refillable cup, that would solve a lot of problems, but there's a lot of nutritional requirements that schools have to follow.

B

H

I digress, I haven't been recently but I plan on going back soon, so I can see how everyone's doing and how we can support them.

J

I was just going to say in response to that, but I teach at San Francisco State, and we we. There is a lot of waste that comes from the Food Services on campus, but right now there aren't any dishwashing facilities and there's no room for any dishwashing facilities in the student center, or so we've been told and so I I think I suspect that probably a lot of schools are in that situation that they don't really have any way to cope with reusables.

J

If, if they have them, they don't have any way to wash them and sanitize them.

H

It's so strange, though, because I remember, you know when I was a kid, they did yeah me too, so we we almost just need to go back in time and make it happen. I'm sure that's easier said than done, but much that that would be my preference for sure, but at least if we can get away from from serving stuff and containers that are part paper, part plastic and um the dreaded number six plastic I see so many schools that use the the clam shells.

H

The plastic clam shells that are number six and I said so you're. You know polystyrene that you're anyway go off topic on that for a very long time, and we don't have that problem in Brisbane and I'm thankful, for that would be a lot worse.

H

And then, let's see, let's move on to the next slide. It shows more great pictures, so these again are from fairly recent lid flipping and residential Brisbane. The two pictures on the left are on the paper recycling side of the cart, so the one on the top. That is all paper, but a lot of it was wet paper towels and food soil and paper towels. So it's probably somebody who just doesn't understand that in order to recycle paper, it's got to be clean and dry, um so we would have left it.

H

We would have picked that part up, but I would have left an educational tag on it. Saying hey you know, wet paper is better placed in the green cart um and then the bottom picture there shows somebody who's bagging, all of their recyclables and putting it in the cart.

H

um The stuff on the other side was also bagged and though I did not open the bags. I could tell that the recycling was mixed on both sides, so it's likely that that Resident got a tag. That said, we're not going to pick this up. Please take the stuff out of the bags and sort it properly into the two sides um that just that that's not okay and then the other four pictures are taken of the container recycling side of the cart.

H

um The top right one shows a milk carton and underneath the Milk Carton on the right side is an aseptic heart carton. Both of those don't belong in there. The aseptic is trash and for now we're saying that the the milk carton- that's one of the ones that if you open it up on the inside, it's got a coating on the inside. But it's still all it's white right. It's not doesn't have the um the metallic color on the inside.

H

Those were allowing in the compost for now, but my gut is that eventually the composting facility is going to say they don't want those, because they do have a trace amount of plastic. That's very difficult to remove. My guess is that, right now, at the composting facility, those are getting fished out and landfilled. So there may be a change on that coming in the Horizon. But the point here is that it does not belong in your blue cart. Those neither type of carton belongs there.

H

um The aseptic juice box type thing people ask me all the time about those, because they almost always have the recycling symbol on the bottom and and people think they're doing the right thing and they're absolutely shocked and disappointed when we say we don't want them in the recycling. But I'll I'll tell you why, for anyone who isn't aware the closest recycling facility for those is down in Mexico and when I've asked questions about recycling at that particular facility, I have not gotten answers, but I want to know.

H

First of all, I look at our carbon footprint for hauling material, all the way there and then, when it gets there, I want to know how much water, how much electricity, how much labor is used and what is actually recovered from those how much metal can you pull out?

H

How much paper can you pull out and what quality is it can it be used because for the most part, the only people pushing the recycling of that are the people who are making money using it as their packaging, so I'm I'm, just very I'm, not sold that it's a good product um plus when you look at how much of it we get. If we were to start recycling that aseptic packaging we'd have to stop recycling something else.

H

We have a finite number of stations on our sort lines and we have to decide what we're going to use each station for and typically we make that decision based on how much of that material do we get and how strong is the market? How strong and how consistent is the market for recycling it?

H

So we find right now that the markets, the volume of material and the strongest markets are for number one plastic bottles, number one plastic, clam shells, number two plastic milk, jugs number two colored jugs like for tide and shampoo, um and that's really it there aren't markets for the higher Plastics. There's a weak market for number. Five we'd like to add number five to our list. That would be like yogurt tubs and we'd. Do that before we'd add the aseptic, Packaging plus there's another difficulty with the aseptic packaging.

H

If you ever take a juice box and you cut it in half you'll see that there's a a metal layer, it's an aluminum layer in there right now. If, when those containers come across our sort line, that's for bottles and cans. The number one number two plastic: what happens is the eddy current, which is there to pull off aluminum cans, we'll pick up the aseptic cartons because they have a certain amount of aluminum in them. So those aseptic containers when they're put in that cart end up contaminating our aluminum.

H

So it's a real problem. We really don't want to see it in that cart. So again like for that cart, we probably picked it up but left a tag that said Hey in the future. Please put those aseptic cartons in the garbage, they're, not recyclable through our program um and then same thing about the the milk carton. That's above it. We would have indicated on that tag that that belongs in the green card.

H

um As far as the other pictures go, uh the one that's in the middle, on the top somebody put in there um some kind of a plastic pouch, it's not a container. It's not recyclable, I, don't even know what type of plastic it is and then behind that you can see shower curtain rings, it was a package of plastic shower curtain rings.

H

That's wish cycling that I that doesn't fit the description of what we would take in this cart and then the picture below that you can see block styrofoam plastic bags, um I I tend to get upset when I see styrofoam, so that person more than likely got a tag. That said, we're not picking this up until you take that out, um and then the cart next to it had some more film Plastics like a pretzel bag.

H

You know some kind of metallicized bag, um but again too many things that are not recyclable, so that one mayor that one probably got picked up anyway, but had a tag that asked for them to change how they do things in the future and we tried to be the oh. The tags I have a couple of them here.

H

We try to make them a little light-hearted, so they say. Oh no, I don't know if you can see that not focusing.

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I

H

Says, oh, no, your waste sorting needs Improvement, and then we check a box that says either. Your cart was emptied today as a courtesy, but please sort materials more carefully to avoid future service delays or extra charges, and that's the box that gets checked 95 of the time for people like the styrofoam block people, a box was checked.

H

That said, your cart was not emptied today, due to incorrect, sorting, please Place materials into the correct Parts before your next service day or call our office for assistance, so they can sort it properly put it out right the next week, no harm no foul or, if they're, in a hurry to have it picked up, and they call us if they've corrected it we'll send a truck back by and earn no charge um as long as they tell us that they did a better job and corrected it.

J

um Just wondering if South City scavenger uh belongs to some kind of association with other trash, collector recycling outfits and is pushing for legislation, because this is a big burden to put on a lot of consumers.

J

I mean even you know, even some of us who really care about this stuff uh are uncertain about sometimes about what goes. Where and.

K

J

These juice boxes and the you know, Paper, Plus, plastic, mailers and stuff like that- are pretty inherently unrecyclable, because they're made of multiple materials and the only cure for that it seems to me- is legislation preferably National legislation, but uh starting with the state level, because California is so big might be a good start. So so are you pushing for that? Absolutely yes,.

H

We we belong to an association, I'm I'm, very active in multiple associations actually, but we we have lobbyists, who are constantly working in Sacramento and in Washington DC to pass policy. We knew some past a whole lot of things that should help us just recently.

H

um A couple things come to mind. I know you're not going to be able to buy Mercury light bulbs in California coming up pretty soon, that's going to help, because we see those all the time in the wrong bins. um Vape pens right now, they're sold with. Evidently the packaging says disposable, which people think that means they just throw them in the trash they're actually hazardous.

H

So the new bill says that they have to be marked as hazardous, which is great and there's another bill that is going to limit how you can use the recycling symbol on stuff. So you can't just put a recycling symbol on everything you can say what the packaging is made from, and then somebody will have to look up. You know with their hauler or with their city. Is that material, something that belongs in the blue or the green or the gray? And so we are moving that way.

H

The the um producer responsibility is definitely the key yeah, yeah, um Shauna or Barbara. So.

C

I think um but I had a question about. Is your tags so say it was put on that the container with all the blocks of Styrofoam? Does it say uh the issue is styrofoam or does it does it say what the issue is so that you don't just like have to guess or.

H

Yes, no I was just curious. I can't see it too well on my camera, but it's the tag is very long. Oh okay, cool and it has so I- would have found the cart or the side of the blue cart and the list of common contaminants and I would have checked the box. So it's clear I would have checked the box. That's it's styrofoam! That is the problem.

H

Okay, and if, if it was, if I found something that wasn't on my checkbox, then there's a line for writing and other, so I could write in whatever the explanation is, um and then the back of the tag also gives a lot more information on on. Why we're doing why we're out tagging about the split carts and how that works?

H

um So we tried to get as much information on this tag as as we could, but it's a work in progress like we keep improving stuff as we go, you'd be surprised Ian. When you go out there and flip Lids you, you see things you didn't expect, and then you have to change your Outreach.

C

um Are you going to be at our table uh for the day in the park? Yes, since.

H

C

Saturday from 10 to noon bring some of those tags, so you can show people.

A

C

H

Will do um Barbara.

E

Barbara you're on mute and you have your hand up and you've been called on. Yeah.

F

No sorry give me a sec. um I didn't actually hear what you said was was hazardous waste. When you were talking about new legislation, Mercury.

H

um Cfls, the curly Cube and the yeah, and also the vape pen, yes, and the vape pens that was a big deal, I see them all the time. People put try to get us to collect them along with batteries and uh yeah anyway,.

A

H

Because they're confused, because the labeling doesn't make it clear what you're supposed to do with it, so that that is improving as we go, especially in California, but actually there is a national push, so we'll just take time.

H

Okay, let's move on to the next slide, please so this one cracks me up, so um this came from a multi-family apartment um and I won't I, won't call them out and shame them, but I have a contact. There, who's a fantastic champion of recycling, and she keeps me abreast of what's being done correctly and poorly there, and it really helps so.

H

There was just one one tenant of this building who just couldn't bear to um throughout the stuffed animals um and thought well, I'll, just put them in the recycling and scavenger will pull them out and find them a home.

H

So I included this just to let everyone know that wish wish cycling is alive and well, um especially at multi-family complexes, where it's a little bit harder to determine who's responsible for it, um but we're we're working hard to update signage talk to people, give them tote bags that have instructions on what goes in, which part and I'm hoping that this. This is going to not happen. Quite so often, okay, we can go to the next one.

H

So something that we're doing on our end, all the time too, is we're trying to update all of our equipment. We want to be able to do everything that we can to make sure stuff is sorted properly so that we can recycle as much as we can, and we make sure that everything that leaves our transfer station to get recycled isn't contaminated. We don't want to be sending bales of cardboard somewhere that are full of glass bottles. We don't want to be sending um paper that has food waste on it.

H

We don't want to be sending a load, that's supposed to be all number two plastic, but has a whole bunch of number six or number seven in it. So what we're finding is? You know? Human beings have limitations when you're holding four different, clear plastic items or when you're, seeing four clearoplastic items go by you on a conveyor belt.

H

How are you supposed to tell if they're number one number two number six number seven right so we're putting in we put in robots that are that learn how to tell the difference between different types of plastic and can recycle them quicker and more accurately than human beings? But then, typically, what we do is run material through the Bots a couple of times and then through human beings as well, because the Bots also make mistakes. They work on suction cups. The picture on the right you can kind of see the little arm.

H

That's sticking down in the foreground. All it is on the end is a suction cup. So when the computer tells the suction cup to pick something up, it hovers over it and sucks, and sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. The seal is not always tight enough. Sometimes the the surface of the item it's trying to pick up is is too funky and so it'll Miss.

H

So humans and robots work together to to get us the best possible recovery rate, and so we just continue to tweak that Machinery to do as as best job as it can and then also just the way things are right now any we have inspectors that are coming periodically that are checking our loads of paper and cardboard to make sure that they're not contaminated.

H

um We haven't had any problems. We've been able to send all of our fiber Bales out for recycling, haven't, had any problems really with our Plastics either knock on wood, so we feel like what we're doing is is right and we're doing a good job. We're able to move stuff. The markets are all down right now. Material values across the board are lower than they've been in a super long time.

H

So what that really means is you know when the value of cardboard is up, you'll see all kinds of little pickup trucks driving all over town taking stuff out of our bins. Looking for stuff in the back of businesses, they're grabbing cardboard, so they can go and sell it right now, you're not going to see any of them because it costs more for fuel to drive that truck than it does then you're going to get when you try to sell it back.

H

um So you know we always we ride these Market waves as they go. We take them as they go right right now, there's no value, but hopefully that will all come back up um see what else did I want to mention here.

H

I think just that I would again encourage any of you to come for a tour if you're interested I could schedule, one I am working on getting some video of the robots and our Optical sorters, so that people can understand what happens to their stuff when it comes to us um like if I'll, if I can take a video that shows how a septic containers contaminate, aluminum I think you know in a one minute shot.

H

I could probably explain that better via video than I can talking at someone, so I'll be working on that um and then I think I just want to mention that part of SB 1383 is not just the lid flipping and putting pressure on waste generators to sort it correctly. It's also on us. We have.

H

We need to be sampling all of our outbound loads, so if they do find a lot of contamination in our paper or cardboard Bales, there are repercussions for that and also they look at what we're sending to the landfill and if there are too many Organics in the landfill loads. That's a problem as well, so we're working very closely with the city with Adrian, with Randy the whole team to make sure that we're doing everything that we can to uh do our part.

H

We, the law, has a lot of requirements in it and it's not going to be easy to comply, but we're trying to embrace the spirit of the law and do everything that we can that's reasonable to get us to where we need to be.

H

um That's really I think all I have to present tonight, but I I want to take any further questions that I want to leave you with one analogy, and most of you have probably heard this before I I tell people all the time. In fact, I had a SF state tour. Today, I had about 20 students from SF, State, come and and walk through our whole facility and what I told them before they left was. If they remember one thing, it should be this you're in a bathtub and it's overflowing.

H

You have a problem right. What's the first thing you do to address the problem? I'm, not the water turn off the water right. You get up and you just start mopping is that is that going to help in the long term, you're just going to keep having a problem right well at scavenger? That's what we are we're the mob for them all, we're really good at mopping. We mop all day long all the time and we're doing the best. We can to soak up everything that we can and keep it away from landfill.

H

But if we don't turn off the spigot, we're going to be in big trouble. So it goes back to the comment about needing to have that legislation that pushes on producers to make sure that they're creating Pro. You know products and packaging that have a closed loop.

H

So we work on that every day and so I always remind people that what we're all doing is important, but what's even more important, is the reduce and reuse. So we have to remain focused on those things.

H

D

I do um I, I actually held all of my comments to the end, because about three of my questions you answered as you as you went along so trying trying to be somewhat efficient. um I want to start by saying this is fantastic. uh I wasn't a Committee Member last year, but I watched this meeting last year and it was just so informative and I had so many questions and I still have so many questions and no matter how I went to heart.

D

I, try I'm always doing something wrong and I will admit to wish cycling here and there and I will blame it on San Francisco, because I used to live there and they encourage it um they're. You know and such that in such a push to get to you know 99 of their waste diverted to recycling that they have. You put a whole bunch of stuff in the bin that we probably shouldn't be putting in the bin.

D

So um I feel, like you know, I I know why I wish cycle and I you know: I just need more education. um My husband had a fantastic idea for Reggie the recycling bin.

H

Oh I, like it Reggie, okay,.

D

He's good uh and then I I've watched some of your short videos, but it's been a couple months and so I'm not sure if you already have these, but I did have a couple that um I would like to suggest, and one obviously is on wish cycling.

D

um Another one is on fake compostables in their marketing, which you mentioned and I get asked by my friends all the time, and they all say you know it's: okay, it's a compostable fork and I'm like you know, you could just have a metal fork or you could wash your plastic fork and then reuse that one instead of creating more stuff, that's not really compostable um and then I have another one and I think this is from my bad San.

D

Francisco training Plastics that aren't bottle shaped, I, never know what to do with, and especially those little things that sometimes you get a sauce in from a takeout place the size sauce on the side. It's not bottle shaped. It's maybe you know some of them are number one. What are we doing with those, and so the shape versus the number is something that I feel I need? More training on so I'm sure our citizens do as well.

H

It's um an interesting conundrum all the time.

H

Many years ago the decision was made to tell people that any rigid plastic container could be put in the blue cart under the blue lid, um regardless of number there's the recycling symbol in the number they said regardless of number, regardless of color, regardless of shape. If it's a container bottle, can jar tub tray, go ahead and put it in that made it easier for people, so they didn't have to learn.

H

You know what which items were truly going to be recycled or not, but the downside of that is that I think most people when they put that in the expectation is that that's getting recycled.

H

But if you come and you take a tour of our facility- and you see that the things that the types of plastic that we recycle are the number one plastic bottles and clam shells- number two milk jugs and the number two colored bottles and jugs and very little else, there's one more grade of plastic called MRP stands for mixed rigid plastics. If you look at those Bales, it's not stuff that comes in a residential recycling. Cart usually comes in by self-hall people that come straight to Blue, Line or from a larger recycling.

H

Bins like three and four cubic yard. Bins out of business tends to be 50. Gallon Buck uh 50 gallon drums, the blue ones that you or the clearer or the white ones that you'll see at Food Service places and some biotechs. It tends to be car, bumpers, plastic toys like a kid's, Little, Tike, slide or or Playhouse I, see laundry baskets um big. You know the big Rubbermaid tubs that people store stuff in.

H

We actually are able to recycle some of that when it comes in as well, but but not a whole lot and, like I, said not something we pick it up from some of the on-call cleanup also, but I digress um anyway. So when people say okay well, what about that? Little condiment cup that came with salad dressing in it or ketchup, or what about the the Red Solo Cup? You know it's got a number one on it or whatever you say well, do you see us pulling that off the line?

H

Do you see it in Bales ready to go out and be recycled? You know the answer is no, so sadly what I have to say is we will accept that stuff in the blue cart because we said any rigid plastic container, regardless of number or color is allowed in there. But the truth is that stuff goes over the line and ends up going to the landfill because we're not able to it doesn't pencil out to recycle those items.

H

So it's kind of a downer when you come to that conclusion, but I don't ever like to answer a question with nothing positive in it. So I will say this I've noticed that Taco Bells all over the place, don't use plastic, condiment cups, anymore. I have a kid who loves, Taco, Bell, I'll, admit it and even their little nacho cheese or whatever all comes in a in a brown paper.

H

Little container! Oh, so you you know nobody, it doesn't have to be in a clear plastic container. What we need to do is push on the businesses to not serve stuff in that and that's what the new food we're aware ordinance does. So hopefully we're going to see less of that that.

D

Would be great, so my last idea and then I will um go back on me? Is um oh I lost it. uh Our choice? Is it as consumers, um just in general, so I'm thinking of adult beverages and cans versus bottles is a big one. So aluminum versus glass is effectively the the choice.

H

So you know we're really lucky in that glass and aluminum are recycled in the greater Bay Area, because we have gallo, uh they buy most of the glass um and aluminum there's. You know, we've got great markets for that, so I would say. Glass and aluminum are always the best choice. If you're gonna go plastic, it's got to be a clear number one plastic to get recycled, and then you have to remember. Plastic is down cycled, that plastic bottle that you buy from whatever drink in it that bottle it's not going to come.

H

It's unlikely that it's going to come back as a bottle. You might have some recycled content in a new plastic bottle, but probably that plastic is going to come back as fill in a ski jacket or a stuffed animal or a pillow, or it's going to come back in carpet or automobile upholstery or something it's going to be down cycled, whereas the aluminum or glass container is going to be recycled into another glass, another bottle another can again and again and again and again it never loses its its quality. It's durability!

H

It's value, oh as much as possible! Stay clear from the class.

B

I was actually hoping somebody was going to ask a question that would get you to that exact answer. You just gave about the preference for class and a little bit of so there. It was.

H

You know glass is a it's a great thing, but people do have to understand. There are different types of glass. You have a drinking glass, a glass vase glass mirror a Pyrex container that stuff's different. Don't make that mistake that that stuff does not belong. It doesn't melt and recycle in the same way that a wine bottle or a sample bottle or a Jam Jar. Would it's it's different?

H

So it's important to know that too, because we, when we lit flip, we do often see other other glass items that people put in there. Thinking well, glass is the same, and and that's not true, either that's something else that I probably should do a video on.

B

I will say one.

H

More plug on that for that video is broken.

B

Glass, we got a bunch of questions about broken glass at Coastal cleanup day going into the recyclable bowls and I.

H

Know that I'll say if it was a general glass container and it broke it's okay to put that in the recycling just.

J

H

Right um but if it was you know, broken light bulb, broken Pyrex. Then no, then it's it's garbage.

H

um Mary, who is next.

G

Has any thought been given to putting the um burden on the producers or they should? You know color code, the glass or color code, the plastic, so it makes it easier on the consumer on what to recycle but and what's garbage because I know I'm I'm guilty of putting the wrong stuff in the wrong van.

G

But if something was color-coded where it matched, you know, the blue bin versus the green bin would be useful, but I mean it's I.

H

Would like to think that we'll get to to we'll get to that at some point right now. The problem is sorting capabilities and access to recycling. Market varies.

H

You know if, if we were talking right now from I, don't know Chula Vista I might change my tune on aseptic Packaging, because suddenly the transportation to the recycling facility is not as big of a factor right.

H

um Also when I was saying that, like all those other types of glass that are not recyclable, if we were in Utah there's a market for some of those other types of glass, they use it to make abrasive products. But it's not feasible for us here. So it's kind of it's kind of hard to to to do generic packaging, but what they can do is at least you know tell you what something is made from, so that you have half a chance of being able to look it up and do the right thing with it.

H

You can't just put it's recyclable.

E

Yeah you're also up against all the advertising and marketing of materials uh Mary, and that is a powerful, powerful Lobby, and so it really I mean just to change some of the things of the postal to make it easier to deliver mail. It and recycle uh undeliverable mail was like years in the making against advertisers.

E

So my I have a couple questions. One. This debate came up recently about plastic, empty engine oil containers like for people who change their own oil, and somebody put it in the in the recycle bin. At the club and I said, you cannot recycle that that is, and it had oil in it, and somebody else is like yeah I. Can it's empty I'm like I? Don't think you should so I'd, like the word on that.

H

That's kind of a um an interesting question: it comes up periodically. My understanding is, if they've been drained like upside down in a draining rack for a couple of days and they are truly empty, then they should be okay in the recycling. Okay,.

E

um And then, along along with that, is um sometimes when we're talking about those little plastic containers and all that uh or other some other items that could be recycled right now, with our current drought situation, sometimes I find myself ooh. Is it worth the water to wash it out or not? You know, and so I find myself in that uh kind of mode of like. Is it really going to get recycled, and is it worth the water to wash it out?

E

Well now that I can focus on plastic one and two I will be able to make a more informed decision on that, um and then the third thing is this: at our house we have kind of a little uh rule of thumb about what goes in the recycling and uh it's like damn when in doubt throw it out because and I'm, because we take it seriously. We really have really upped our game, but if we're not sure and it might pollute the recycle stream, we throw it out because it's not worth throwing away.

E

uh You know one or two things that are gonna pollute the Stream when, when, uh where everything else we're throwing away, is kind of pure, so I don't know, thoughts on that.

H

um Say a couple things, um one more thing popped into my head about used oil too I do always recommend that they keep the oil jugs and then refill them with the used oil and then put put them out for collection and recycling in in their original container.

E

Yeah, that's not gonna happen at the Yacht Club. Those people don't have garages.

H

But that is one one thing to do um and then your next question thing and they should.

E

Have written water.

H

Versus plastic- oh so because we do um recycling of paper products separate from containers, we're kind of lucky, because um you know, if you're putting a say, a peanut butter jar in with paper. If you have single stream recycling like they do in San Francisco, what happens is then you know that peanut butter jar or that ketchup jar that still has ketchup in it in the recycling truck it gets compacted and that ketchup will get on the paper and it'll degrade the quality of paper, and you got a problem for us the way they recycle.

H

Aluminum, plastic and glass tolerates food residue. So the main thing, the main reason you want something to be empty and dry and and to rinse it if you can is because it keeps your your cart, cleaner. Oh.

E

H

Mean and also it goes over our sort lines, and you know through our it goes in our trucks and over our sort lines. Of course, it keeps all of our equipment a little bit better too. A little cleaner and nicer.

E

H

You know if there's if there's residue inside um you know a pretty much empty bottle of ketchup.

H

You know you've used as much as you can and then you just keep the lid on it and stick it in and there's a little bit of ketchup at the bottom. That is not a.

E

A

E

And then the third thing is when in doubt throw it out. Yes,.

H

And I I, like that, um you know for years it wasn't just San Francisco it was everybody was saying if you think it might be recyclable, go ahead and put it in the blue cart and let us take a look at it and and take a shot at it.

H

That used to be the way everybody said to do it, um and that was when you know there was a lot more tolerance for contamination in the the paper and cardboard Bales, and we didn't have quite as many state regulations um you know, but what I found by doing that is it just made made people worse, consumers, I, don't know. If worse is the right word right, but you try to get everybody to shop smart with with knowledge in mind.

H

If you know that something is going to end up in the trash in a couple of months, you shouldn't buy it. You know when you're shopping for gifts for people- and you know the holidays- are coming up. I always tell people, you know, don't buy all the plastic junky bread, that's going to end up in the trash on. You know January 1st, keep in mind, what's durable and then, when something is at the end of its life, what you know what is truly recyclable or what can be repaired in um re-gifted.

A

H

Make better choices? Don't don't buy the stuff that you know is gonna that you're going to want a wish cycle, but can't.

H

So yeah when in doubt throw it out it's, it gets really cut and dry when you tour our facility and you see that we're limited by space and sorting capabilities and that we have to make decisions based on that and, unfortunately, the other stuff does not get recovered. Yep. So yeah, if you, if you know that we're not shipping something out for recycling and it's going to landfill, then do us a favor and put it in the garbage cart to begin with.

A

H

I feel, like I've, talked a whole lot I've taken some great notes. I appreciate the feedback and I welcome. Actually um Adrian. Can you put on the next slide? Really quick I, always um welcome feedback and ideas, so my email is right. There Teresa, ssfscavenger.com and, like I, said I'll, be at day of the park on Saturday from 10 to noon.

H

um Please come say hi. If you have more ideas for me to add to my list, um I'm happy to have them um uh you you are. You are my choir, we're on the same team. I really appreciate all the the passion and dedication of this group.

H

um If I Pat you all on the back, if we were in person and say thank you for taking your personal time to work on this committee and um as much as you can help me spread the word on all of these um sorting tips and everything I I, much appreciate it.

E

A

E

G

A

Thank you very much. Yeah.

G

Great presentation, thank you. Thank.

H

You thank you, I, look forward to it being in person again someday thanks a lot.

B

Okay, before we go, um and yes many thanks Teresa um for for this, and and so many other things that you uh do for the city and and work with us on um I did want to note that we have a member.

H

Of the public that is with us and has been for a while, so I wanted to just provide an opportunity if they have any questions or comments. Now.

B

um Might be a good time before.

H

Teresa jumps off or we will have other opportunity with other agenda items.

B

But you'd like to speak I'll, go ahead and give you that opportunity now with like.

B

And if you don't want to do that.

A

B

Right not hearing anything so I.

H

Think we can go ahead and move on, but thank you again um Teresa for joining us. My.

A

Pleasure I hope.

H

To see many of you on Saturday.

B

B

Our next agenda item is going to require me to switch the screen share so hold by one. Second,.

I

B

F

For me, yet just give it a sec.

B

um I think probably um Aaron is going to introduce this item Aaron and or Glenn.

D

All right Glenn, you should go ahead and introduce it.

J

uh So we've discussed this before um the the item was to write, to ask the city council to send a letter to President Biden asking for employment emergency Declaration on the grounds that um there are things a president can do Under the sort of auspices of such an emergency declaration that otherwise would probably not happen so Aaron uh drafted a letter. The letter was reviewed by the climate action plan subcommittee. We all thought it was great. We made a couple of minor tweaks um here.

J

It is and pending your approval, we can send this on to the city council and ask them to put their John Henry on it and send it to the president. Have I left anything out.

I

John Hancock.

D

uh So maybe the the one thing that happened after we talked about this, the inflation reduction Act was actually passed, so it did change a little bit from when we first talked about it, but not enough to really respect the letter.

J

Right the the inflation reduction Act is the most important Federal climate legislation that has ever been passed, but um as important as it is it's not enough and as important as it is, it is all carrots that is. It is strictly a spending bill and we need other kinds of you know more traditional uh regulation that will prevent certain things from happening and and so that's what the president could use the emergency declaration to do. As far as I know, um Aaron reached out to the center on biological diversity because they did a big.

J

They did a big report on the potential uses of a climate emergency declaration, which is where this whole idea came from. Basically because I read, I heard a podcast of theirs in which two high-powered attorneys talked for an hour about what a climate emergency declaration could do. So Aaron wrote to them to to get some more specifics and examples. I guess they never wrote back. Is that right, yeah, but but we thought we had enough to go on with and write a general letter. I'm, sorry Aaron tonight, no.

D

No I was just saying correct: they never wrote back um and while we were waiting on that another another group published something um that was post the passing of the IRA. So um we felt pretty good about writing a letter and setting it on with those two references.

J

Pardon me I didn't hear whoever said that, what was it.

B

I think that was Michelle and I'm, not sure if that was meant.

H

For us, or if I didn't realize she was unmuted.

J

G

So I guess great letter. It's a great letter. um Do we need to um make a motion to send it up to council.

B

G

B

Need that motion yeah.

A

I

Moved that we send it on to council this outstanding letter. Yes,.

J

I seconded it yeah.

F

Hi, oh wait: you're gonna do the Roll Call.

J

Who's doing the Roll Call.

H

B

H

Ahead and do that um fieldman, yes, Rogers! Yes,.

B

Becker, yes, Noonan, uh yes, salmon.

A

B

Yes and Evil I.

J

Right, unanimous consent did you get Mary, Rogers, yep, okay,.

B

I thought I got everybody going across the screen, great all right, so.

K

B

Will try to get that back to.

H

Council um at our next opportunity, I think that'll probably be um a later October.

B

Meeting we'll discuss when we can get that fast forward um switch.

H

My share back to the why.

B

The first half update.

B

All right, so many screens, let me find my notes here um so I.

H

um Hopefully, will not forget any because I didn't write, my notes until just before the meeting um we have a couple of projects uh that were recently completed, the water bottle filling station for the police department.

B

Which um was part of a small Grant from the San Mateo County Office of sustainability through their four r's program. So.

H

This afternoon, I dropped off the uh Hydro Flask bottles for the police department to uh the commander and a couple other staff members that were around and they were very excited about them.

H

uh We also had the heat pump water heater installed at City Hall last week, There's a few finishing touches that need to be completed, including the inspection tomorrow, but.

B

That is in and functioning so that one's been in the work for a long time as.

A

H

And very exciting: to have that.

B

In place now um also long in the work and I almost don't want to tell you because I don't want to jinx it, but we have a technician scheduled to replace the modem next Tuesday at the Brisbane Village fast charger, and hopefully this will in fact solve the problems and make that charger usable again.

B

um There was supply chain issues. It took a very long time for them to get the part fingers crossed. This is gonna. This is gonna finally get us back in business over there. Oh.

J

B

um I have a report on Coastal cleanup day, uh so that was.

H

um Week and a half or so ago, I guess it is now uh we had about 25 attendees, a few of them brought their own bag or buckets. uh We collected about 12 bags of recyclables, which we estimated at 150 pounds a lot more.

B

Recyclables at the marina than I would say we typically have in some of our other cleanup. There were, and just a lot of glass bottles and and aluminum cans out there, um an additional.

H

30 bags of trash estimated at about 250 pounds, um plus some.

B

Bulky items a recliner, a lumber, a mattress.

H

um Some bicycles that I.

B

Think we're gonna have to get packed up picked up from Caltrans because they were actually um up in their area, um so those were being coordinated with the marina staff or later pickup.

H

um Not a lot of really unusual items for us this year, just a ton of bottles and fans and bottle caps and of.

B

Course, cigarette butt, a couple of volunteers.

H

Estimated they picked up at least 500 cigarette butts themselves. We figure we had at least 1400 or.

B

More but um picked up from this location, so I apologize that I didn't get my pictures added to.

H

The slide but suffice it to say it was a pretty good pile of trash and, like last year, a.

B

Lot of it very small track, so really the marina staff was very appreciative that we were able to host it out there. They asked if we were coming back next week or next month, guys that I don't know about that. But if ever you're up for um you know blogging or your own personal.

H

Little cleanup um I understand that the marina parking lot collects.

B

Waste very uh rapidly.

A

B

So there's your individual volunteer activity, if you, if you feel so inclined um I, was in San Diego last week for the California Employment and energy collaborative annual Forum, it was the first in-person conference in a few years. It was excellent, um really great information sessions, networking um just a lot to digest and catch up from and try to incorporate into our work, and um you know, I think the the sentiment overall from the conference was just that.

B

um There's a lot of great work happening across the state and there's a lot of partnership being built to you know, really move us forward towards our goals, so it was very energizing and inspiring and nice back in that kind of a setting um and if you've been in touch with me in the last week and I've been slow to respond to you. That is why.

H

And then the last item.

B

That I had in my notes, is just a reminder to set up your city email if you haven't yet I, think most of.

H

You have, but there might be one or two still haven't yet done that. So please do.

B

That ASAP, so we can make that switch over to using those for communication going forward and um also, if you haven't, send me your favorite picture or headshot. So we can update that committee members slide. We will have in a couple of slides here um from some of our very dated Zoom pictures from a few years ago.

H

That does it for me, Karen or Rachel.

L

um I'll, just I didn't prepare stuff update, because everything I need to talk about all the projects and everything I worked on is um subcommitting stuff, that's gonna come up, but I was just thinking about the um the email updates or that we should. When we switch over, we should probably send an email that says start using an email, but I know that the city did make business cards for people, and it just occurred to me that if anyone's going to be at the park doesn't have them, we bring them over.

L

Oh that'd, be good.

H

B

See Michelle answers.

L

And complete streets is going to have it this year for the first time once so, we might be next outside.

J

Fun uh does the whole Community need to hear about the letter we sent to the nursery, or does that go somewhere else.

B

Oh, you know what I was going to do that in Committee, Member update, okay or wait or we could do it. um Maybe a subcommittee item. Okay,.

J

It's not really a set committee item, but whatever.

B

The Committee Member, okay, I.

K

Can offer just uh just a brief update on the building efficiency program?

K

um Adrian and I are working on some uh just sort of boring, bureaucratic uh stuff, getting ready for um transitioning to new software and then also preparing next year for um new potential audit requirements for buildings that are not high performing that fall under the commercial category.

K

um So that's that's what we've been working on.

H

If no question I will go ahead and push us along the subcommittee report.

H

um I'm an action plan I'm forgetting guys.

B

J

Not since last.

K

Meeting since the last meeting yeah, we were trying to schedule a meeting and I, don't think.

B

We've got that on the calendar, yet.

D

Was that the one for October 5th that it had to be? It was supposed to be this week, but it had to be rescheduled.

B

That was, dark skies got bumped, um so I think we were looking at maybe a week after um possibly the October 12th or 13th I.

D

Absolutely cannot do that week at all all.

B

Right I think those were the the kind of last two dates I had on the doodle, so I think we'll probably have to um look at. Oh wait. No sorry, there was one more October 24th Monday.

B

If you guys want to Quick Check your calendars, we can confirm.

H

J

B

um I think we're still looking at this 15 people I.

J

Hate that but okay.

E

This is Dark Skies right, no! Okay! Oh sorry,.

F

Yeah I um yeah I can make the the Monday.

H

I can as well yeah I can too all right. Great I will yes send out the meeting confirmation um I think. That's all we have on that subcommittee event is that- and this is probably where we should talk about the.

B

um Day in the park sign up that I.

H

Said I was gonna have open, so we could make sure we had coverage.

B

um So it looks like we have um all right trouble, seeing everything on my screen. um Barbara was going to be covering afternoon basically 1pm on.

H

um Right now we just have Jason one o'clock and two o'clock lot and then Michelle three o'clock in tear down slot.

E

I'm also on the setup slot I thought. Yes,.

B

Michelle, yes, sorry I was just talking specifically about who's on in the afternoon times that I just removed Barbara from so. If anybody who is um so.

H

Yeah go ahead, fun.

J

No I thought I had signed up. I got on the thing and chose a slot I, just don't remember which one it was, but maybe I didn't I.

H

Have you, as signed up for the.

B

Noon slot just.

J

B

One um that's.

J

All I have time to do.

B

Okay, um anybody up for sticking around.

H

A little later or shifting or.

J

D

I'm I couldn't I could actually move earlier and take more time, but unfortunately, I've got to be in San Francisco at 140, so I need to be done at one okay. So if any of the earlier people wanted to give up their time, I could backfill those slots.

B

Well, it looks like we have Mary from that uh to uh 11 and then Michelle as well. um Shauna at 11.

E

A

B

I'm going to be dividing.

E

My time with uh osak and Mountain watch provided they're next to each other.

I

I didn't understand what Aaron said it would help if I came earlier. Is that.

B

Fortunately, it's.

H

B

We you're you're in the spot that we need someone else to join you. So, okay, you're you're, pretty good at this point in time. um I don't know Glenn um if you can dedicate an hour, but can push it an hour later. Maybe.

H

Maybe Jason.

B

H

Little sooner would help cover that a little bit better are.

J

You talking about from one to two yeah.

H

Would that work instead.

J

Yeah that would work instead, just not in addition to right.

H

Okay, so I'll move you over and Jason if you're up for coming an hour earlier than we'd. Have you from 12 to 3. gives us a little bit broader coverage? Is that okay, you're, muted.

J

Jason you're, muted.

I

uh Did you add an hour which is 12 to 2.

H

I added an hour from.

B

12 to 3., so that was so that you were already 12 to 2.. Oh, can you pull a three hour shift or is that asking too much.

I

Yeah I got a couple things to do. I just was trying to move, not not expand, got.

B

H

uh Shauna, are you up for expanding your one hour into two.

E

It's fun, you guys come on sign up, enjoy.

F

Yeah I would spend the whole day there if I wasn't working I.

E

H

Donna you're also muted.

H

Shauna, we can't hear you.

C

uh Yes, I could stay 11 to 12.

H

Well, we've got you 11 to 12. We.

C

Would have you say, 11.

H

And 12 11 to 1., yes, great, all right that that, should that should help us um spread things out a little bit, um we'll still probably be a little bit light in the afternoon. I will try to make sure I get a break before we get down to just single osec members and um and I'll, be there in the afternoon, and the afternoon is usually getting pretty light anyhow. So.

B

You know, hopefully um that won't be a problem. It looks like we should have pretty.

H

Coverage, otherwise does everybody know where you are when you.

B

Are scheduled, or would you like me to to read that off.

E

Could you read that off.

H

um So we have Mary and Michelle both.

B

Starting at setup at 9 00 a.m. With me and continuing through 11. at 11, we'll switch to Shauna and Aaron, and you two will have the basically 11 o'clock. The one o'clock shift together at one o'clock, Jason and Glenn will come in Glenn will stick around for an hour Jason for two hours.

H

And then Michelle will help me in that final hour and.

B

E

And that's at what time! 233 yeah, okay, I.

B

Put you know what I think that's probably only an hour at that point: I'm not actually two I think I messed up that.

E

Kind of depends, because sometimes we get that last Rush of kids are like. Oh wait. Wait don't stop yet. You know all right. Okay, yeah.

D

I think okay, hell for day in the park.

E

Do we do we have enough entries to have our kind of like second little Gallery kind of thing.

B

I am trying to coordinate with the entries to make sure that it can all bring them in person. I think we'll have a nice but smallish Gallery, okay and Michelle. If you want to bring your.

E

H

E

H

Go ahead and include that, because I think we'll have space for additional items, so we can. We can supplement uh with a couple additional items we'll just make sure that it's clear that.

B

They are not part.

H

Of this place, yes, yeah well,.

B

H

Probably gonna put together both those paper ballot to have a few of, but then have a QR code.

B

And have it go to a Google form so that people we don't have to have paper for anybody who's willing to do it through the QR code? Okay, we'll do ballots that way, so they just won't have options to vote on yeah those things got it. That's how that's getting set up.

H

Okay, any other questions on today in the park.

B

um I saw your rubber bands. Aaron, that's awesome, um I do have some um being ordered. Michelle has tape.

H

I have 250 ish wine corks I'm.

E

B

After removing.

H

E

H

One, so we should have plenty um I, think we've got a good stack of skewers and I think it was Shawna who said earlier. She's got a few extra of those, so I think material.

B

Wise, we should be all set except Michelle. I am curious if you've had a chance.

H

To test the and cut the sale.

E

Yeah I will and I know. I can so don't worry, don't worry, be happy all right and bring scissors lots of scissors bring.

G

E

G

Don't need the Amazon Packaging the envelopes, it sounds like not.

H

um But I do have some that I had collected yeah yeah.

B

Available is back up.

E

Okay, but I have a Spinnaker a whole Spinnaker. It's a multi-colored Spinnaker. It's like a real sale that we're gonna cut up into little tiny sales. Oh my God I'm, like really Dylan I, really only need probably a couple yards because you're getting the whole thing. Okay, so.

B

You want it, you got it.

E

You what you got it I'll make something else out of it when we're done with the project, so it'll be fun.

D

um Oh shoot, I forgot what I was gonna ask. Oh, will there be shade, should I plan on a gigantic sun hat or a small sun hat? We.

B

Have a 10 by 10 pop-up tent, but keep in mind that you know that still doesn't necessarily mean you're actually in the shade so yeah. Those are good. Big.

F

Sun hat good because that sun spins it seems like it's been, the sun spends two-thirds of the day, cutting it underneath the edge of the pop out.

E

Pop-Up yeah sunscreen, sun hat, and it's so such a relief. When we used to do the squares you would be in, you could be in the shade, but not anymore, so um yeah just we'll be in the shade, but bring a hat, bring some sunglasses and some uh sunscreen.

H

E

H

Will have one table for handouts.

B

I'm still working on getting a few of those things together, including a some kind of handout about Home, Improvements and electrification. I've got a couple of really good samples that.

H

I picked up um at the conference that I'm going to try to emulate.

B

um Assuming I can find time in the next two days to work.

E

That up Adrian are you gonna bring weights of any kind to put on those.

B

Yeah I have um I think I have a few rocks in my kind of bag of things to take to the events like okay, that we've used in the past and also sometimes I like to just put them in like leave them in a binder clip. Okay,.

A

B

Can also uh help, though, and there might be a few things that I just bring a single thing for that people can take pictures of or take you our code. That's.

E

A pretty perfect hat Aaron.

B

D

I was coveting Jason's hat yeah Zorro.

E

And also you know there is, there will be, you know: Lions Club, barbecue, other food, beer and wine bring your money Sam.

B

Bring your money all right, good, stuff, um I! Think! That's it for.

H

The event subcommittee.

H

Education and Outreach I don't think.

B

We have any updates there.

J

We haven't met, but um Adrian and I have talked about a Star article on natural gas and why it needs to go away. So I'm going to be writing that.

B

B

Yeah I, think that came up from a last dosec or maybe maybe a couple meetings ago, so got that on top and then also we'll note that um Caroline and I were in touch today about a couple of additions to our um environmental governance and policy web page, which uh we have missed, adding a few of our more recent things too, like the Disposable foodware ordinance. So we are making sure we get those added.

B

um Bailey I, don't believe.

G

That nothing had an.

B

G

They're still getting canceled.

B

uh Open space Plan update.

A

L

um Here's my cat, that is the the addition of the six Parcels, is on the agenda for six over six October 6th and next week, I emailed. Well, we have it on for later emailed Stewart about the letters to the acres and then I talked to him and he said it'll be fine for you guys to take a look at the letters and offer suggestions. So I have not sent those out.

E

So we're going before the Council on October 6th, okay I've got it marked I'm already going to that meeting. So yes, please, okay,.

I

Thank you, Karen yep,.

L

I got bumped from September I I, had it ready for September, but yeah.

E

Bad stuff, uh Crocker Trail, frog habitat, oh my God, so it's damned exciting Mary.

G

You want to talk about it yeah, so we met on uh Monday September, the 12th at noon.

G

um Karen and Adrian were there Michelle Sean and myself, uh Paul buscal who's a resident and a big advocate of the frog habitat and who has managed the maintenance of that in the past and has been cleaning it up recently and then two two guests Consultants from rcd, which Adrian was instrumental in grabbing these ladies uh Amy and Cleo.

G

So we walked the site and um talked about what's important, and what is what should the priorities be in um maintaining the site and so I think where we left. It was um a list of important items for Amy and Cleo to go through and to come back to see how um what recommendations they will provide us and how it all fits into our tiny little budget. So I think we will have a plan in place soon.

G

um In the meantime, I know: Paul muscal's been out there uh manicuring the site even a little bit more and I think he plans on doing some additional volunteer work and uh trying to get folks in the community to come down and help them. So I think.

G

That's supposed to happen soon, if I'm not mistaken, I bumped into him and um he was going to put a blast out in Facebook, so I think he just wants to cut the cat skills and clean out um I want to call it the ditch before the rains come, but um that's the scoop and it sounds like everybody's on board everybody's excited to to get it done, and um so we can move on to the next frog habitat so did I leave anything out.

E

Just that I'm really anxious to get the report from the RCT people. So we know that we're doing the right thing at the right time.

G

Yeah, that's, what's just tell us, you know, what's the best time to maintain the habitat and then we could probably take it from there.

E

Yeah I'm very excited about it. It's really uh we're, finally, really moving forward on it and I'm looking forward to Paul's participation and hopefully, hopefully, uh maybe heading up a Citizens group to you know really adopt this area and take care of it. Mountain watch will definitely be involved in terms of supplying plants and overseeing some stuff. You know we're not the, but the bulk of it will be citizens in an open space and ecology.

G

Yeah, so it was very successful. So thank you, Karen and thank you. Adrian.

G

K

Aaron, did you have anything you wanted to add.

L

um Just well, we wanted to get from the rtb I found um I realized, while we're talking, while you guys were talking and I, couldn't send the committee members, but I found um a biological study that was done back in the last iteration, with Jim, mckissick or.

A

L

Of them higher, um so the city had hired and their acronym is WRA and biologists from San Rafael, and they did a report. So I forwarded that to the RCB because it might be, you know, half of the work that they wanted to do, and it did. There was a little bit of discussion about drainage, and so I did talk to the utilities Engineers.

L

Some of you have met him, Jerry Flanagan when he comes and speak about the drought and stuff- and he had been coordinating back then that first round of this- and he said, there's just that those rains from under the building need to not be blocked but I. You know I think the goal is to have a lot less material in the channel than would actually block, and there needs to be a certain amount of free board. So he's gonna try to it's. Not. We didn't study that hydrologically to give it exact.

L

You know his experience to kind of give us an idea, and it's Pro. It's probably 20 to 30 percent full is his most busy one channel. If you fall, it's probably I'm sure it's not going to be unreasonable for what's goal is but I'm hoping that that moves along what the rcd is doing and how funny you guys can see that report. If you want I just didn't.

E

Did you send that to us Karen I'd love to see it yeah.

E

Thank you for um doing that and talking with Jerry and and sending that on to rcd.

E

Invasive species, ordinance of which I'm no longer on but I got an email from Ariel that I'm gonna from Ariel at Mountain. Watch that I'm going to forward to the invasive species committee uh with some some stuff that he sent to me so I'll do that tomorrow. What.

J

Was this so we also got an email from Ariel, because oh.

E

Is it the same email then I hope.

J

Probably I would okay well I haven't seen the one that you got, but yes, we um Aaron. Do you want to talk about this Jason? Do you want to talk about this? Do you want me to talk about it.

I

About about Ariel's.

J

Response or no about the invasive species, ornaments and Ariel's response. uh One of you folks,.

I

Go ahead, yeah, I, I just think my short take is: let's keep it to what we've got and not not. Okay,.

D

uh So I'm gonna I'll go back to the very beginning, uh so Glenn and Jason and I met, and uh at the very beginning we all decided that for the invasive species aren't in. So it's pretty important to keep it simple, because we're talking about things that you know we want homeowners to not plant or rip out of their yards or or mitigate in some way, and we wanted it to be very simple.

D

So we uh listed all of the you know the the obvious gross offenders and then categorize them and discuss those a lot and what we came up with was um a list of 12 or 14 different plants that you would either do not plant uh must remove and there's a timeliness thing there that we hadn't picked a date for, but you know you should give a homeowner a little bit of time to remove something from their yard after an ordinance goes into effect, and then also for things like um Ivy and um bamboo and spreading things rather than must remove.

D

They ended up in a category that is, must clear one foot around the perimeter of your property.

D

uh So uh we came up with with a table a list and that turned into a table and basically a paragraph that you know describes what would be the beginning of the ordinance and since we weren't with Karen, that's that's where we were comfortable stopping so I believe she's um now going to talk to uh you know Public Works and code enforcement about how uh real realizable that is uh in the meantime, it was right around the time of pancake breakfast, so Glenn and Ariel talked about it and he sent an email with the San Mateo I believe County Park habitat conservation plan, which also deals with the neighborhoods around the park.

D

um So we got that this week, I have not studied it. I want to go in there's a lot of plants and they're listed by Latin name.

D

um So, under the guise of keep it simple, I think I think the committee. The subcommittee has some discussion about which, if any of those we want to include.

J

Yeah um some of the well there's a category, a red category which are highly recommended for removal on that list and I did go and look up. Some of the you know Latin names and found the common names, and there are some really common landscaping plants that are included in that red category.

J

um But the rationale for including them is something like feared invasive.

J

um They haven't they're, not documented invasives and I haven't seen any of them on the mountain ever so we have some discussion to do about whether we want to add more plants to this list.

J

um So I was delegated to to um reach out to Ariel and get this list and I did and and I was a little bit amazed about how long it was and some of the things that were on it. So we probably need to meet again and just see if we're you know, if we want to revise the list or whether we want to keep it the way it is um so we do need to do that, but we pretty much have come up with our idea.

J

L

But our our goal was to agendize this next month for the full committee to talk about it, because we didn't actually put it on the agenda tonight. So this was just kind of a here's where we are. We thought we were ready to send information to everybody so that you guys would be prepared to discuss next month. But it sounds like we're going to meet one more time and then send out, but.

J

Yeah right yeah, just just one more- it's not really part of this committee, but um it's related to this committee. So I will talk about it and that is I was at the flower craft nursery on Bayshore a couple weeks ago and while I was there, I saw. Versailles gabiosa, which we know very well, is an invasive species on the mountain and they also had pretty much every species of Ivy on the planet for sale.

J

um In the past. It's we have set out letters to nurseries with our don't plant, a past brochure and another list in the letter and said. Please stop selling these because they're a real problem on the mountain biodiversity, Hot, Spot, blah blah, so I actually ended up talking to the assistant manager at the nursery. Who happened to be there that day and she was very nice and I told her about scabiosa, and she said: oh no I had no idea um so I said well, yeah, it's invasive on the mountain.

J

You can see it and long story short I said well, you know, should we send you a letter and she said? Oh yes, and she gave me her email address and the manager's email address. So I got the letter from Adrian and tweaked it um and personal. You know we'll personalize it with their names and uh assuming Shauna approves. Will she can sign it and we'll send it.

C

So I had a couple of comments. I'd be happy to look at any list of things that Arielle uh threw at you, because okay.

A

C

Fairly fairly well informed as to Botanical names because and uh what is actually being put in Landscapes on a larger scale. um uh Lydia is the person that you want to talk to at flowercraft.

A

C

Anybody else Lydia's first talk to, and if you want to um I would if I were you I would actually want to talk to somebody over at Pacific Nursery, which is where the wholesale people go and they have just tons of plants if, depending on what's on that list, those would that that's where the hotel people go.

C

um You know the the home gardeners are going to flower craft going to floor grub, but the wholesale people who buy thousands of pots go to um yeah, that's so I'm so forward me whatever you would like me to look at and I'd be happy to look at it and I would be forwarded back.

J

To you, do you know Sean or who the contact person is at Pacific, Nursery or.

C

um They've um recently had some changes over there. So I'd have to talk to some of my contacts over there and uh see who who would be the best person to send things to.

E

J

Like we should do that, yeah.

F

I'm, just a little disturbed because I've been on this committee long enough to remember that we send out this letter Every Spring. No, we don't. We don't.

J

um No send it out every couple years, but we haven't sent it out for a while. Really aircraft has received that letter and the brochure in the past, probably more than once.

E

A

E

Put it on the calendar to send that out every year, as well as the letter to the Acres people. Those are two Communications that we should really do every year.

C

And, quite frankly, it's lows that scent that sells that Bloody the room every year, oh God, yeah I mean broom and scabiosis for that matter and and all sorts of Ivy.

E

I mean I, think and nauseous things. There's.

C

I mean there's um I, think there's a lot of IVs that are used in small ways that aren't as aggressive and nasty as the Algerian Ivy. That seems to fly more everywhere, but.

J

um We have a list, at least we used to have a list of nurseries that sent. You know that got this letter, but I know for sure. It's been a couple years since we sent it out and I just wrapped on our calendar.

B

We had agreed a few years ago to send it out every couple of years, so.

A

B

Been a couple of years, but we did send it. Probably it may have been 20 20 2020 is the last one, because one asked to pull up the letter. um That was the most recent one I think I found in 2018 was also in there. So.

J

I just happened to be a flower craft and happen to see this happen. To talk to somebody who gave me Lydia's Name by the way so cool it will be addressed to both Lydia and Gene who's. The person I spoke with.

A

I

We um are, we are we good for now on this topic, yeah yeah.

L

I I think from what I'm hearing Glenn say that there's probably a lot more value in talking to people following up a letter and the detail is great but that person-to-person contact. You know we didn't the last times. We've sent the letter. We have heard back from no one except Bay natives, who already knows what.

B

L

And then on invasive species, General availability, it's um Aaron, Glenn and Jason- were I, don't want to belabor picking a meeting time, but were we needing to do evenings or afternoon to work or.

J

I wish we could do some afternoons because my evenings are getting sucked up pretty pretty fast.

L

D

Friday afternoons are the best for me if we're going to schedule an afternoon what's the time uh I can almost do anything, but anything after two is is easy. I.

J

Think adjacent also after two for me can.

I

Do it yeah yeah.

L

Okay, so let's, let's do a Friday, too I'll email. You.

I

Thank you. Thank you. Okay,.

D

Not the week of October, 11. or 10.

L

Right: okay- oh, that's! That's not a Friday, but that week, okay, thank you.

H

I think the next one on the list is dark skies and we haven't met, but we have a meeting scheduled for next week. We unfortunately had to bump it this week.

B

But we are, we are scheduled.

K

B

15. one day.

H

L

We have a meeting set for next Tuesday and also Shawna drafted a brochure or that the goal was to use a day in the park and so have the other subcommittee members. They're gonna, look at it it's kind of had it had the information about private trees, it had value trees, it had how to address. You have a street tree that you feel has health issues or like the rest of the so many technology should we should we put that out a day in the park or I.

E

Looked at it, but it was incomplete and then I saw that you sent something in response. Karen and I didn't get a chance to look at that. I.

L

Just made some minor notes, but the main thing I said is I, don't think we're gonna get an approved recommended tree list in just a few days, so I just wanted.

E

L

That no not put that part on the brochure and use it yeah yeah.

C

uh And um just notice that, on the front cover you know, on the first front fold I didn't put in the details on um who to call you know the the oh right yeah, um because I figured you would pick that up so.

L

I I wasn't I meant to also put in that. You may not know exactly where your property line is but call and ask and we'll check yeah.

C

That'd be great, it did in general, it looked pretty decent yeah I've never made one.

E

Before I think the tripod needs to be bigger and fill up more space. There was a lot of open space on it. Forgive the Expressions, but.

C

It was at least legible at with black ink, as opposed to White on green yeah.

E

Yeah so Karen, if you think that we can get it in shape to make you know, 50 or 100 Xerox copies to pass out on day in the park. That would be great, maybe 50 copies I.

B

Don't think we can get something more than that yeah, it's gonna, say 100. yeah.

E

It does now I've been thinking about it, especially.

C

Since we don't have the plant list.

L

Yes, so yeah right, so we'll want to later a better time later.

C

Maybe on that back section you can just say um you know we have. If you want a tree bag, here's you know we could put a graphic about the tree bag and how to place it. The tree Gator yeah yeah, the tree gator.

E

Yeah: okay, it's a great idea that may be a really a little plug for water. Your tree, water, your trees.

L

E

So dry, okay, all right and- and we have a meeting scheduled for okay, Tuesday right.

C

You have something for Barbara your hand is up.

F

Yep, that uh are we at Sierra Point planning, nope.

C

But your hand was up so I thought. Maybe oh.

F

No, that was from forever ago and I. Don't even remember what I wanted to say or ask, because it's like so much water was gone under the bridge. So let's never mind.

B

Well, if there isn't anything else on tree issues, we are ready for Sierra Point Parkway.

F

All right, well um not much happened in the initial kickoff meeting. It was just sort of one of those um foreign moments where they like ask for everybody's input, and you know had a little Post-it notes and we all make comments and they put the Post-it notes up.

F

um The consultant seems like they're I mean I was just impressed with the consultant, um not particularly with the session, because I've just been through so many of those sessions, and they never seem to actually make a huge impact on the project to the end. But um but I was really impressed with their their credentials and the things they had to offer so I'm very pleased with who city council selected, even though they didn't get a lot of input on that um and we'll see where they go with it.

F

You know, and if you have specific things you want me to carry forward by all means. Let me know as long as you don't violate the brown deck in any way, shape or form.

E

I I uh I actually listened in on that meeting and I found that it kind of got diverted into art instead of uh sustainability issues and some of the other issues that are I, think uh important and they will be at day in the park. uh Oh yeah I think soliciting that same kind of information that they were during that meeting, so I think it's important that people participate and say what you want to see or what's important to you at the cere point.

E

F

Yeah I mean I: I did try to bring up sustainability environments.

E

F

E

But but they were all focused on Art I, don't know why but um yeah. So you did a good job Barbara in the meeting. I was, but it sort of went a little bit sideways in.

A

L

uh One comment when those things may feel like dog and pony show or whatever poor show, but they are great when you're applying for Grants, and you can say that you've done public Outreach. It goes a long way.

E

Yeah yeah and I I do think it's important that the public does say what they really want.

F

Maybe hopefully some of it will actually get carried forward. You know I'm a little skeptical from previous engagements, but I I'm. That doesn't mean I'm not going to do it and people should definitely participate, because if you don't participate, absolutely zero is gonna happen.

E

Yeah I do have a question about Sarah point: I noticed uh on Sunday when I was walking down there. A lot of major uh popular trees have been cut down, I'll learn the lawn and stuff I mean large trees and uh I I. Don't know why maybe they're sick? Maybe what can do we have any kind of report on that Karen? Or can we find out why those trees have been uh removed.

L

Where you want to say the lawn along.

E

Where you walk along the docks from dock one down to dock six, that lawn along along there and then it should curve make the curve heading towards uh back towards Brisbane at the fishing pier there's trees been that have been removed there as well into just individual trees here and there and I'm wondering if they're getting salt infusion or why they were removed. Or you know if we can get any kind of information on that. That would be really a good thing to know.

E

I'm worried about the trees at sear point I'm, worried about the trees.

L

Yeah I hadn't heard about them so yeah.

E

E

They're, probably not doing well, but I want to know why.

I

New hat here in a minute, if we don't get moving.

B

I, don't think I have a whole lot to share on the calendar um we may or.

H

May not have dark skies on our agenda next month. If not maybe invasive species or we will, we will figure something else out. I know when Glenn and I talked earlier. She reminded me of the um follow-up from The Dana Dilworth item, so we.

B

May be able to have that on the agenda.

H

Next month, um besides, for that,.

B

um Kind of the usual going into winter stuff.

E

Adrian we did have a couple of things on the in the minutes that I would like. uh Maybe we could read from last month that we should maybe review and see if there's follow-up on those they don't come to mind right now,.

B

But and I don't have that open I.

E

Don't know just mentioning it, along with a multitude of other things, you're doing so.

L

Feel free to email us we do review review.

L

B

uh Sorry, like I, said, I got the uh slides ready at last minute, so there were a couple of slides that didn't get deleted from.

H

Last month, Sharon member matters was there anything.

C

I'm I'm not sure if this goes here, um I looked on, I was on the city website and um the chair still shows Barbara. As the chair for this committee and and.

B

That is me needing to make an update. Thank you for that reminder. I will um with that in a minute um review them for uh getting that on my.

E

I also want to make sure that the minute include the handouts or whatever was presented uh in the meeting and I noticed that this last month's minutes didn't include that so like, for instance, this month. For this meeting, the minute should include the slides from what uh Teresa presented.

E

Foreign, please I requested that.

B

And I I think that was also a question that I um neglected to follow up with Ingrid about the proper way for us to attack those.

E

um Okay, because otherwise I'm going to start requesting, you know a paper again because I think it's really important, because we I look at the minutes. I go I, get the agenda and I look at the minutes and those things are not included and I used to keep a binder full of those things.

E

So I could go back and refer to them and I feel a little lost, sometimes because that uh the depth of the stuff that we discuss is not included in the minutes, and it's not, you know, included in the agenda, and so you know in in a form, and so instead you have to kind of like watch a three-hour meeting to try and find something and I, don't think. That's efficient, so I'd really love to be able to include those things in the minutes.

E

B

Hear you I've got it just a minute I.

H

Will try to make sure you can always contact me and and ask as well um and I.

B

Will note for anybody who's going back to meeting videos? We now have links for each agenda item. So at least you can get a little bit closer Oh yay.

E

Hooray I hope you do this for the council too. Oh.

B

Yeah that's been happening for a while.

A

B

At least I've been doing part of our uh our our website update that happened. Okay,.

H

Next meeting October 26th.

E

See you guys Saturday, please at least.

F

I'll miss you all right, yeah.

F

All right and and orfeo, and none again so hit me up for tickets. That's where you're pronounced.

I

You in the park right.

B