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From YouTube: Burbank Police Commission Meeting - June 15, 2022
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Burbank Police Commission Meeting - June 15, 2022
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And
the
callers
who
are
in
the
queue
will
be
placed
in
a
queue
until
all
in-person
comments
have
been
received.
So
if
you're
in
the
audience
this
evening-
and
then
you
have
a
card
in
you
speak
first
and
those
who
call
in
will
speak
following
that
and
this
evening,
commissioner
habikobian
will
lead
us
in
the
flag.
Salute.
B
C
A
E
Coombs,
would
you
like
to
start
out?
Thank
you
if
I
may.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
holding
that
moment
of
silence
for
the
two
el
monte
officers,
just
a
couple
things
I
want
to
report
on,
and
some
of
this
is
based
on
some
conversations
outside
of
the
meeting
with
members
of
the
public
and
some
activities
that
we've
been
involved
in
as
well.
E
So
the
the
two
el
monte
officers
that
died
in
the
line
of
duty
yesterday
june
14th,
it
involved
a
domestic
violence,
call
that
also
included
an
illegally
possessed
firearm,
and
many
of
us
are
also
aware
that
there
is
social
media
recirculation
on
may
25th
of
a
domestic
violence
situation.
That
first
came
to
our
attention
actually
in
in
2021
recent.
The
recently
the
burbank
domestic
violence
task
force
met
to
address
this
topic.
E
While
the
commission
does
not
have
the
authority
to
address
active
investigations,
we
did
extensively
address
law
enforcement
responses
to
domestic
violence
situations
in
our
november
17
2021
meeting
and
that
video
is
available
online.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
public
was
aware
of
that.
Also,
I
also
want
to
just
report.
E
I
appreciate
the
subcommittee
work
and
the
outside
preparation
that
commissioners
have
been
doing
for
our
meetings
and
is
a
reminder
that,
while
we
do
have
to
limit
our
outside
collaboration
to
less
than
four
commission
members
up
to
three
of
us
can
work
on
projects
outside
of
the
meetings
in
compliance
with
the
brown
act.
The
department
also
is
available
to
us
just
like
the
public
to
ask
questions
and
we
can
obtain
information
for
some
of
that
subcommittee
work
as
we
need
it.
E
Some
of
that
will
be
shared
tonight
and
the
department
has
been
very
supportive
in
helping
us
prepare
those
materials.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Last
item
I
just
want
to
report
on
is
I'm
participating
with
commissioners
element
in
jacobian
in
community
academy
number
37
on
thursday
evenings
and
appreciation
to
detective
peltier,
sergeant,
ficketty
and
officer
hartunian
as
our
guides,
as
well
as
the
attending
community
members?
Who
are
we
we're
getting
to
know
there.
C
Thank
you,
commissioner
chapman.
I
also
want
to
report
out
on
thursday
may
19th
at
7
pm,
I
was
invited
to
their
race
relay
community
discussion
at
the
buena
vista
library.
I
joined
the
bhrc
with
council
member
bob
furdos
and
council
members
here
in
springer,
I'm
in
a
discussion
about
race
and
it
was.
It
was
really
interesting.
C
Just
to
echo
commissioner
coomb's
words
thank
you
officer,
renehart
and
detective
chris
peltier
and
sergeant
faculty
for
the
class.
It's
really
you
know
very,
very
informative
and
I
think
it's
a
really
special
class
and
on
tuesday
june
7th
I
attended
the
burbank
vigil
for
victims
of
gun
violence.
You
know
a
lot
of
great
speakers
came
out
from
the
community
from
the
school
board
from
our
senator's
office
as
well
as
our
assembly.
C
Member
and
a
lot
of
great
speeches
were
held
and-
and
you
know
great-
for
raising
awareness
on
gun
violence
and
on
thursday
june
2nd.
It
was
our
second
community
academy
class
shout
out
to
judge
ronald
s
cohen.
He
was
very,
very
informative,
was
a
great
class
taught
us
about
the
justice
system
and
the
court
system
as
well?
And
lastly,
yesterday
tuesday
june
14th
at
4
pm,
I
went
to
a
meeting.
I
went
west
coast
customs
with
a
group.
Together
we
can,
with
lisa
martinez
and
yolanda
wu.
C
C
What
was
really
great
is
the
community
should
know
that
the
west
coast
systems
is
going
to
be
donating,
a
lot
of
their
production,
their
video
cameras
etc
and
they're
going
to
help
they're
going
to
do
in
the
editing
and
they're
going
to
be
donating
this
to
the
community
and
further
discussions
will
be
had,
but
we're
definitely
in
the
progress
of
making.
This
come
to
light
and
and
lastly
again
to
echo
everyone,
you
know
my
condolences
to
the
officers
that
were
lost.
You
know
I
can't
imagine
being
in
a
situation
like
that.
A
F
Thank
you
all
right.
Good
evening,
commission,
chair
and
commission
members,
chief
and
staff,
my
name
is
tamala
takahashi
burbank
resident.
I
would
like
to
speak
on
a
topic
I
have
brought
to
you
before
the
burbank
met
team
and
unarmed
and
plain
closed
responses
to
non-criminal
911
calls
with
the
met
ban.
There
was
a
recent
study
done,
providing
more
data
on
non-police
non-police
responses
to
9-1-1
calls
that
I'd
like
to
share
since
its
inception
in
2019
the
denver
star
van
has
been
a
success
and
continues
to
be
a
success.
F
I
brought
it
up
as
a
model
in
previous
meetings,
and
I
appreciate
your
having
looked
into
this
program
for
those
who
may
not
have
seen
the
commission
at
that
been
on
that
commission.
At
that
time,
the
star
van
is
a
program
in
denver
that
responds
to
certain
9-1-1
calls
with
one
emt
and
one
mental
health
professional
instead
of
uniformed
officers
in
the
last
year.
Based
on
the
recent
data
in
the
study,
the
star
responses
had
a
significant
effect
on
low-level
crime
rates,
reducing
it
by
34
in
denver.
F
The
study
also
interestingly,
found
that
it
lowered
response
costs.
Fewer
resources
were
needed
to
respond
to
calls
less
time
was
spent
on
each
call
and
fewer
arrests
were
made
to
incur
arrest
costs.
In
addition
to
this
specific
study,
there
was
also
a
longer
range
and
broader
stanford
study
done.
It
looked
at
denver
new
york,
austin
san
francisco,
california
and
washington,
dc
programs,
denver
star
van
un
armed
civilian
health
first
model
fared
the
best
with
better
outcomes.
F
For
example,
the
study
calculated
that
the
direct
cost
of
star
responding
to
each
of
these
calls
in
denver
came
to
151
dollars
per
response
on
average,
which
is
four
times
less
than
the
estimated
average
646
dollars
per
standard
police
response.
I
recognize
that
we
are
not
denver.
The
author
of
the
study,
thomas
d,
says
this
is
not
something
that
every
911
system
should
have.
This
reform
requires
thoughtful
and
detailed
implementation
from
training
people
to
field
911
calls
to
hiring
the
right
kind
of
mental
health
professionals
etc.
F
For
us
here
in
burbank,
I
believe
it
is
worth
looking
into
using
our
stretched
police
resources
more
efficiently
and
seeing
how
we
can
use
such
civilian
trained
responses
to
minor
calls
such
as
inebriation
erratic
behavior
and
other
911
calls.
That
does
not
indicate
that
a
crime
is
being
or
has
been
committed.
We
can
use
this
the
incoming
met
van
as
an
opportunity
to
do
a
pilot
program,
perhaps
partnering
with
street
plus
and
fire
emts.
F
F
I
hope
that
you
will
reconsider
your
position
on
sending
armed
police
to
respond
with
the
met
ban
instead,
and
also
that
you
consider
becoming
an
early
connection
with
the
incoming
988
mental
health
emergency
line,
that's
countrywide,
and
to
continue
to
find
innovative
ways
to
reduce
the
need
for
to
cite
and
arrest,
and
since
I
have
a
second
I'm
also
in
the
police
community
academy-
and
I
appreciate
bpd,
offering
this
academy.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration
have
a
great
rest
of
your
meeting.
A
E
Combs,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
information
to
us.
In
addition
to
the
the
met
van
that's
being
developed
within
burbank.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
there
is
some
pilots
that
are
happening
in
los
angeles
county,
that
we
can
also
take
a
look
at.
I
got
a
chance
to
meet.
I
I
believe
it
was
the
l.a
county
fires,
77th
division.
E
If
I
get
that
right,
just
met
with
them,
they're
launching
a
van
similar
to
what
you're
talking
what
you're
identifying
in
each
with
each
of
the
five
supervisorial
districts.
So
we
should
have
the
opportunity
in
the
very
near
future,
to
take
a
look
at
real-time
data
in
los
angeles
county,
about
how
the
9-1-1
system
is
sending
out.
A
G
Commissioners,
it's
nice
to
see
everybody
in
person.
It's
been
a
while
for
me
at
least
yes.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
derek
green,
I'm
a
lieutenant.
I
oversee
the
community
outreach
and
personnel
services
bureau
right
now
and
I
was
asked
to
do
an
update
on
some
training
that
we
have
had
recently
in
regards
to
procedural
justice
and
strategic
communication.
G
G
G
In
fact,
the
task
force
report
was
so
important
that
it
has
been
part
of
the
required
study
material
for
all
promotional
exams
in
our
police
department,
since
it
was
released
in
2015..
So
that
tells
you
how
important
we
feel
that
the
recommendations
are,
and
the
report
itself
is
so
I
want
to
fast
forward
to
2020
and
the
events
in
minneapolis
long
before
that
incident.
The
burbank
police
department
had
already
embraced
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
on
improving
police,
community
relations
and
police
legitimacy
and
procedural
justice
and
began
to
implement
several
organizational
changes.
G
G
G
We
establish
an
audits
and
inspections
team
responsible
to
conduct
audits,
of
essentially
every
facet
of
our
organization
to
ensure
accountability
and
make
sure
that
we're
doing
things
the
right
way.
Every
time
we
also
have
developed
a
robust
social
media
presence,
which
complements
our
efforts
to
expand
our
dialogue
with
the
community.
G
We
also
have
increased
our
recruitment
efforts
in
hopes
of
recruiting
a
police
force.
That
is
more
representative
of
the
demographic
demographic
composition
of
our
city
and
we're
also
in
constant
pursuit
of
the
latest
and
most
contemporary
training
programs
for
all
of
our
personnel,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
be
one
step
ahead
of
the
rest,
which
is
where
burbank
police
has
always
been.
G
This
training
is
part
of
the.
Why
did
you
stop
me,
training
that
we
have
mentioned
prior
and
back
to
the
task
force
report
on
21st
century
policing?
One
of
the
main
themes
of
that
is
procedural
justice
and
procedural
justice
concerns
the
fairness
and
transparency
of
the
process
by
which
decisions
are
made.
Basically,
it's
the
foundation
for
trust
and
legitimacy
of
our
judicial
system.
G
G
So
we
committed
to
a
very
aggressive
training
program
for
our
personnel
when
it
came
to
police
legitimacy
and
procedural
justice.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
our
staff
was
being
trained
adequately
and
appropriately
to
mitigate
liability
and
also
improve
our
trust
in
the
community
and
our
relationship
and
partnerships
with
community
members.
G
We
also
had
goals
of
in
emphasizing
strategic
communication,
increasing
cultural
competency,
building
transparency,
gaining
a
better
understanding
of
implicit
bias
and
the
unintentional
actions
that
affect
judgments,
decisions
and
behaviors
de-escalation
techniques
and
providing
community
members
with
a
voice
and
a
forum
to
engage
in
discussions
with
us.
The
police
about
fears,
perceptions
and
assumptions.
G
That's
when
we
found
jason
layman
of
why'd,
you
stop
me.
Why
just
stop
me
as
a
non-profit
organization,
run
by
a
former
long
beach
police
officer
prior
to
the
grant
in
2020
a
select
group
of
25
police
officers
from
burbank
received
an
eight-hour
course:
california
post-certified
on
community
policing
in
the
21st
century.
All
of
the
theories
and
recommendations
that
were
contained
in
that
task
force
report
in
2021
all
supervisors,
including
myself,
attended
an
eight-hour
supervisory
leadership
course
based
on
community
policing
in
the
21st
century.
G
So
this
is
a
picture
that
I
took
on
saturday
morning.
I
know
it's
not
easy
to
see,
but
this
is
a
dialogue
circle.
This
is
over
at
the
boys
and
girls
club
in
burbank
a
new
facility
for
them
it's
a
beautiful
facility,
and
this
is
a
combination
of
a
facilitator,
an
ordained
minister
and
reverend
four
police
officers,
not
in
uniform,
and
I
think
five
community
members
was
the
final
count.
G
G
A
H
Have
a
couple
of
questions
about
the
community
dialogue
circle
itself
and
just
the
structure?
How
were
the
community
members
selected?
Was
it
a
self
selection,
an
application
process
and
was
there
any
kind
of
structure
in
which
you
know
it
was
guaranteed
to
select
people
with
different
points
of
views
and
experiences
in
community.
G
So
we
were
given
some
basic
direction
on
who
we
should
be
looking
for
to
select,
and
then
we
were
also
given
direction
on
who
we
could
not
select.
So
we
could
not
select
anybody
that
was
connected
in
any
way
to
the
police
department,
these
needed
to
be
community
members
that,
whether
positive
or
negative
perceptions
of
law
enforcement
in
general
or
the
burbank
police,
specifically,
we
were
looking
for
individuals
that
had
a
voice
that
wanted
to
express
their
concerns,
perceptions,
whether
good
or
bad,
but
they
could
not
have
a
nexus
to
the
police
department.
G
G
It's
also
why
I
was
not
allowed
to
kind
of
be
there
and
participate,
because
we
wanted
to
kind
of
keep
it
sterile
in
the
sense
that
everybody
coming
into
the
room.
Nobody
knew
each
other
as
far
as
the
the
community
members
and
the
officers
went,
and
you
know
nobody
kind
of
knew
the
theory
behind
the
plane.
The
the
street
clothes
was
to
to
not
know
who
the
officers
are
in
the
room.
G
Now
I
know
that
you
know
with
the
crew
cut
haircuts
and
it's
it's
not
hard
to
tell
who
the
officers
are
in
the
room,
especially
once
conversation
gets
underway
and
they
were
told
if
you're
asked,
if
you're
a
police
officer
you're
to
tell
them.
Yes,
I
am
you're,
not
you
know,
you're,
not
undercover,
but
the
the
the
theory
behind
it
is
that
everybody's
kind
of
in
there,
as
a
community
member,
not
knowing
who
the
law
enforcement
officers
are.
G
G
Some
a
few
were
very
excited
about
it,
others
it
took
some
coercing,
and
you
know,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they
were
very
happy
with
with
the
fact
that
they
participated.
We
did
have
two
individuals
that,
unfortunately,
did
not
show
up
and-
and
these
two
were
actually
community
members
that
we
came
across
in
the
field
during
a
field
contact
and
they
felt
at
the
time
that
they
were
profiled
during
during
a
contact,
and
it
didn't
lead
to
any
misconduct
or
an
internal
formal
complaint.
G
But
as
we
do
with
everything
we
conducted
an
administrative
review
which
involved
bringing
these
individuals
in
and
having
a
conversation
with
them,
and
by
the
end
of
that
conversation,
they
were
very
very
pleased
with
how
responsive
we
were
to
the
situation
and
their
concerns,
and
we
had
told
them
it
was
when
we
were
in
the
planning
stage
for
this
training
we
had.
We
had
told
them
about
this
training
and
asked
them
if
it
would
be
something
they
would
like
to
participate
in,
and
they
were
very
excited
about
it.
G
So
we
actually
kept
them
on
our
contact
list
until
it
was
time
to
recruit
and
they
were
expected
to
be
their
saturday.
Unfortunately,
neither
one
of
the
two
were
able
to
make
it
when
all
was
said
and
done,
we're
hoping
to
maybe
reach
out
to
them
in
the
future
for
something
similar,
but
it
was
not
an
easy
task
and
you're
asking
how
how
we
chose
people,
so
these
are
individuals
that
we
have
met
before
in
the
community,
either
at
community
events
that
we
have
come
in
contact
with
here
at
commission
or
council
meetings.
H
G
No,
so
we
were
told
specifically
not
to
advertise
this
and
promote
it.
We
were
encouraged
to
hand
select
individuals,
and
it
wasn't
individuals
that
we
felt
should
be
there,
because
we
they're
pro
police,
or
we
were
just
looking
for
individuals
that
we
felt
were
going
to
come
in
and
provide
us
with
constructive
dialogue
and
constructive
feedback.
G
And
actually
you
know
negative
perceptions
are
a
good
thing,
because
it
allows
us
to
take
a
look
in
the
mirror
and
relate
to
what
they
are
saying.
We're
not
looking
for
kudos
from
everybody
in
the
room.
We're
just
not
that's
not
what
this
is
designed
to
do.
This
is
designed
to
identify
concerns,
fears
and
perceptions
and
allow
us
to
make
changes.
H
G
I
need
to
discuss
logistics
with
with
jason,
because
I
would
like
to
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
would
like
to
include
those
those
two
gentlemen.
They
were
a
very
they
were
a
big
part
of
this
and-
and
I
I
think
they
were,
they
were
excited
to
participate,
and
I
don't
know
exactly
what
happened
as
to
why
they
they
weren't
there.
But,
yes,
we
will
be
reaching
out
to
them
and
hopefully
be
able
to
get
them
into
the
ride-along
and
then
the
third
dialogue
session.
G
Well,
absolutely
we!
This
is
that's
part
of
the
transparency
where
this
is
something
that
we
want
to
share
with
everybody,
because
not
everybody
in
the
organization
was
involved
in
the
community
portion
of
this.
There
will
be
a
lot
of
officers
that
are
involved
in
the
ride-along
part
that
were
not
involved
in
the
dialogue.
That'll
be
an
additional
dialogue
session
for
them
four
hours
worth.
If,
if
the,
if
the
community
member
wants
to
stay
for
that
long,
but
no,
we
will
be
happy
to
report
back
on
on.
G
You
know
not
only
what
concerns
were
brought
up
and
what
was
addressed,
but
also
how
the
program
went.
You
know
whether
we
felt
it
was
beneficial.
You
know
there
are
other
similar
programs
out
there
that
we
want
to
explore
down
the
road.
This
is,
this
is
a
theme
now
our
profession
has
changed,
and
these
are.
These
are
necessities
in
in
our
training
program,
as
as
as
important
as
it
is
to
go
out
and
train
on
learning
how
to
drive
a
police
car.
H
G
G
You
know
that
the
I
think
that
if
we
were
to
do
something
similar
in
the
future,
I
think
that
we
need
to
get
started
much
earlier
on
recruiting
the
community
members,
because
really,
although
it
looked
like
the
room,
was
full,
we
probably
could
have
used
quite
a
few
more
people
and
then
the
other
question
you
had
was
as
far
as
how
things
how
things
played
out
and
how
things
were
introduced.
I
I
don't
know
I
do
know
that
there
were
some
activities
in
the
room.
G
I
G
That
was
equally
as
difficult
a
lot
of
challenges
with
staffing.
Were,
you
know
we
are
conducting
this
on
a
saturday
morning
we
were
limited
in
staff
to
pool
to
choose
from.
We
wanted
to
have
a
supervisor.
Unfortunately,
the
supervisor
that
we
were
planning
on
had
last
minute
plans
and
had
to
leave
town.
So
we
resulted
with
two
detectives
and
two
police
officers,
and
we
felt
that
the
the
group
of
officers
that
we
that
we
assigned
to
this
were
very
very
good
for
the
spot
and
it
was
a
but
it
was
volunteer
based.
J
Hi
lieutenant
green,
thank
you
for
providing
us
with
the
update
regarding
why'd.
You
stop
me
and
just
the
training
in
general.
I
do
have
I'm
just
curious
to
know.
Is
there
a
place
or
is
there
there?
Is
there
a
place
where
we
or
the
public
would
be
able
to
go
to
see
what
the
curriculum
is
exactly
like?
In
terms
of
you
know,
we
go
over
within
the
implicit
bias
like
we
go
over
anti-racism.
We
go
over
historical
references
regarding
you
know,
burbank's
past,
and
those
types
of
elements
is
that
you.
G
Mean
specific
to
like
a
syllabus
for
the
class,
exactly
so
that's
something
that
that
would
be
a
request
of
jason
lehmann
with
why'd.
You
stop
me.
I
don't
know
what
his
you
know.
Rules
are
for
releasing
his
his
syllabus
and
his
lesson
plans.
I
know
that
this,
like
everything
else,
is
competitive.
It's
it's!
It's
a
it's!
G
A
business
he's
running
it's
a
non-profit,
but
you
know
it's
a
competitive
marketplace
right
now,
so
he
has
not
released
that
to
us,
nor
I
don't
believe,
we've
asked
for
it,
but
that
is
something
that
he
is
very
responsive
to
email.
He
travels
a
lot.
We
would
have
had
him
here
tonight,
but
he's
actually
in
sacramento,
and
he
could
not
be
here,
but
he
is
respond,
responsive
with
email,
and
I
can
get
you
his
email
address.
G
J
J
E
Thank
you,
lieutenant
green,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
information.
In
addition
to
the
the
information
about
the
the
program,
you
you'd
shed
some
initial
comments
before
that
as
well.
I
want
to
come
back
to
that
a
minute.
I
appreciated
that.
I
also
wanted
to
thank
commissioner
turner
specifically
for
asking
for
this
item
to
come
back
to
the
table.
I
think
it
was
you
that
asked
to
agendize
this.
So
a
couple
things
about
the
pro
first
is
a
comment
actually
and
based
on
what
commissioner
turner
just
said
is
we're.
E
It
is
a
business
and
I
I
in
my
field
we're
also
going
through
a
lot
of
this.
I
was
actually
just
in
training
this
morning
on
racialized
trauma
and
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
that's
challenging
is
it's
it's
a
business,
it's
proprietary,
the
material,
but
we're
also
talking
about
trying
to
transform
culture,
so
so
the
more
we
can
make
a
lot
of
this
information
readily
available
in
public
to
everybody,
the
better.
E
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
and
wherever
the
department's
able
to
do
that
or
any
of
our
institutions
are
able
to
do
that.
I
really
want
to
encourage
that
couple
questions
about
the
program:
were
there
any
outcomes
built
into
the
training
and,
and
specifically,
was
there
any
way
to
to
assess
or
or
measure
opinion
or
perspective
before
entering
the
program
and
then
a
way
to
measure
it
after
completing
the
program.
G
Before
and
after
no,
but
there
were
each
each
of
the
sessions
that
I
showed
2020,
21
and
22,
there
was
a
an
internal
survey
that
he
implemented
and
conducted
of
all
the
attendees.
Not
every
attendee
responded,
but
he
has
provided
those
survey
results
to
the
department
okay
with,
and
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
feedback
on
there.
E
Yeah,
I
want
to
encourage
that
if
we
can,
because
it
just
it
just
kind
of
helps
to
show
as
an
institution
where
we're
moving
to,
because
there's
there's
the
policies
and
procedures
of
the
institution
and
then
there's
opinion
and
and
really
when
we're
talking
about
transforming
culture.
We're
really
talking
about
trying
to
transform
opinion
and
how
we
carry
ourselves
in
a
day-to-day
basis,
as
opposed
to
just
making
sure
we're
following
policy.
So
I
just
wanted
to
suggest
that
is
there.
E
You
talked
about
the
listening
circles
and
I'm
wondering
beyond
the
training.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
for
the
department
to
continue
with
some
form
of
a
listening
circle
that,
whether
that
be
proprietary
or
it's
something
that
the
department
be
interested
in
developing
to
allow
ongoing
dialogue
a
lot
of
the
community
events
that
are
happening
right
now,
which
are
fantastic,
create
a
lot
of
great
opportunities
to
interact
with
with
law
enforcement.
E
The
opportunities
that
we've
had
through
the
the
community,
the
the
community
academy
and
and
just
the
availability
of
the
department
to
us,
has
been
extremely
helpful.
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
to
build
and
formalize
ongoing
dialogue,
circles
between
officers
and
community
members
and
have
something
on
an
ongoing
basis.
G
Yes,
we've
had
merchant
seminar,
you
know-
and
I
know
what
you're
describing
is
more
of
like
a
a
conversational
tone
where
there's
no
agenda
and
people
come
in
and
just
have
a
conversation
and
and
maybe
have
the
officers
in
plain
clothes
so
that
you
can
see
that
they
look
just
like
normal
human
beings
themselves,
with
the
crew
cut
hair,
but
yeah.
No,
absolutely-
and
you
know,
although
it's
not
always
obvious
a
lot
of
the
things
we
do
are
kind
of
for
that
purpose.
G
That
is
a
form
of
listening
and
we
do
take
that
report
very
serious
and-
and
we
look
at
each
and
every
comment
upwards
of
five
to
six
hundred
that
comes
through
on
the
chief
of
police
and
his
staff
examine
each
of
those
comments
and
we
respond
to
those
comments
not
not
directly
to
the
respondent,
because
it
was
anonymous,
but
we
respond
in
organizational
change
and
taking
a
look
at
what
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
fixing
what
needs
to
be
fixed.
But
yes,
the
community
meetings.
G
Those
are
opportunities
for
people
to
come
out
and
engage
in
a
conversation
without
an
agenda.
The
coffee
events.
You
know
things
of
that
nature
and
then
our
social
media.
You
know
social
media
is,
is
not
always
our
friend
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
misinformation
on
social
media,
and
we
have
to
pick
our
battles
with
that,
because
if,
if
we
took
the
time
to
engage
in
an
argument
with
each
and
every
person
that
that
provides
misinformation
to
the
public,
we
would
lose
our
minds
and
we
just
don't
want
to
fight
that
fight.
G
But
what
we
do
use
social
media
for
is
to
engage
in
healthy
conversation,
whether
it's
a
traffic
complaint
or
or
a
complaint
about
an
unhoused
individual,
we're
very
responsive
to
those
those
things
and
yes,
so
we're
always
looking
for
ways
to
communicate
to
listen.
I
like
what
you're
saying
and
more
of
a
just
a
no
agenda
kind
of
sit
around
a
table
and
just
talk
about
whatever
anybody
wants
to
bring
up
and
see
where
it
leads.
So
that's
something
we
should
definitely
look
at
for
the
future.
Thank.
E
You
that
might
be
something
that
we
maybe
even
help
collaborate
with
and
help
develop
these
these
couple,
questions
that
are
adjacent
to
the
presentation
that
started
beginning
the
first
is
you
mentioned
the
external
oversight
review
board.
I
don't
want
to
go
into
a
full
discussion
of
it,
but
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
give
a
little
bit
more
information
about
that
body
and
how
that
body
functions.
G
In
the
moment
they
examined
more
how
the
investigation
was
conducted
and
they
provide
feedback
to
us
and
basically
identify
missteps
and
recommendations
to
to
improve
in
the
future,
and
I
would
allow
the
chief
to
expand
on
that
since
he
works
directly
with
them
again,
that's
more
of
a
the
oversight
board
meets
directly
with
the
command
staff.
So
I'm
not
privy
to
a
lot
of
the
discussions
that
are
had.
I
do
read
the
reports
that
come
out
and
those
are
readily
available
on
our
website
as
well.
K
So
one
thing
we
need
to
know
tonight:
gina,
oh,
is
not
here.
Our
city
attorney
is
not
here,
so
I'm
texting
to
make
sure
that
we
can
pursue
this
topic
or,
if
we're
going
to
agendize
it.
So
I,
when
I
provide
my
chief's
comments,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
oir
and
I
can
give
you
an
overview
of
what
they
do,
but
the
joint
session
we'll
talk
about
that
and
how
that
looks
for
this
body
and
city
council
when
you're
together
in
the
same
room.
K
E
E
Familiar
with
that
as
well,
so
that
perfect,
perfect,
perfect
last
quick
question-
and
this
is
just
a
general
question
related
to
the
training
and
how
this
is
being
implemented
and
again
in
in
my
area
in
my
field.
We
struggle
with
this
as
well.
So
this
is
not
unique
to
law
enforcement,
but
is
there?
Is
there
space
and
opportunity
for
officers
to
have
candid
hard
conversations
with
each
other
and
have
the
ability
to
get
to
get
information
and
input
to
to
help
transform
the
culture?
So
there's
there's
the
discussion
of
why'd.
G
Absolutely-
and
I
think
I
think
sergeant
feckley
would
agree.
I
think
these
conversations
are
already
happening
to
be
honest
and,
if
not
in
the
formal
setting
of
a
classroom,
they're
happening
in
police
cars,
they're
happening
between
ftos
field
training
officers
and
their
trainees,
and
these
are
these
are
important
conversations
and
they
do
they
occur
between
supervisors
and
subordinates
and
their
conversations
that
need
to
be
had,
and
especially
when
we're
looking
at
a
situation
that
requires
some
corrective
action
where
we
could
have
done
better.
G
Those
are
conversations
that
need
to
be
had
they're,
not
always
comfortable
and
they're,
not
always
popular,
but
I,
as
a
supervisor
have
had
those
conversations
with
with
with
officers
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
for
the
better
of
society,
it's
for
the
better
of
the
organization
and
it's
the
better
it's
for
us
to
improve
and
do
better.
Next
time.
K
So
on
topic,
but
I'm
picking
a
stretch
here,
because
when
lieutenant
green
talked
about
the
president's
21st
century,
policing
pillar
six
is
officer
wellness.
So
so
that
is
another
topic.
I
would
encourage
you
to
agendize,
because
we
are
pursuing
aggressively
pursuing
a
wellness
program
in
the
settings
that
you're
talking
about
where
we
can
just
sit
around
and
kick
around
back
and
forth
as
far
as
what
worked,
what
didn't
work
and
how
does
it
look
and
how
do
you
manage
your
career?
Manage
yourself
manage
your
family?
K
H
Quick
question
for
the
report
that
actually
comes
out
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
coombs
for
chatting
through
the
potential
kind
of
thank
you,
commissioner,
coombs
for
talking
through
the
potential
next
steps
in
relation
to
these
small
circles,
for
the
report
that
comes
out
is
that
something
that
can
be
made
available
to
the
public
to
understand
what
topics
were
discussed
and
then
potentially?
Is
there
a
way
to
leverage
the
conversations
and
topics
that
were
discussed
to
create
kind
of
more
structured
environments
in
which
officers
can
converse
with
each
other?
H
G
Yeah,
well,
you
bring
up
cost
and
obviously
this
was
part
of
a
grant.
So
not
only
did
the
training
have
to
meet
the
criteria
defined
by
the
grant,
but
also
there
was
a
cap
on
what
we
could
spend.
So
we
had
to
kind
of
make
it
all
work.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
detectives
were
included
in
this
training
initially
based
on
the
grant
funding
and
the
classroom
size
that
we
were
quoted.
We
were
going
to
have
to
excuse
the
detectives,
but
the
good
news
is
that's
no
longer
the
case.
G
So
but
yes,
I
don't
know
what
this
report's
going
to
look
like.
So
what
I've
been
told
is
that
they're
going
to
furnish
basically
a
like
a
end
of
the
end
of
the
program,
type
synopsis
of
of
everything,
so
that
we
can
assess
it
see
what
worked
well,
what
can
be
improved,
whether
it
was
beneficial
and
also
we
would
like
to
know
what
was
discussed
in
these
dialogue
sessions
and
have
the
officers
report
out
on
that.
G
So
I
don't
know
what
the
report
will
look
like,
but
we
would
be
happy
to
share
the
results
in
some
form
or
fashion,
whether
it
be
a
presentation
to
you
like
I'm
doing
tonight
or
having
maybe
the
officers
that
were
involved,
come
and
share
their
experience
or
even
the
community
members
to
come
in
and
share
their
experience
and
give
you
some
insight
as
to
what
was
discussed.
I
think
that
would
be
hearing
it
directly
from
them
would
be
a
lot
more
personal
than
reading
it
in
a
pdf
of
some
sort.
A
A
It
was
a
a
long
time
coming
and
it
it
is
the
pretty
much
like
the
gold
standard
of
best
practices
in
policing
and
it's
something
that
our
department
laudably
embrace
and
it's
an
important
thing
that
people
should
be
familiar
with
if
they
get
a
chance
and
want
to
take
a
look
at
it.
It's
free
it's
online,
just
google,
it
and
look
it
up.
It's
a
it's
a
bit
of
a
read,
but
it
is
a
well
worth
time
reading
it.
G
I
was
reading
these
recommendations
and
it
was
this
long-winded
description
of
of
why
we
should
why
law
enforcement
should
be
doing
xyz
and
I
I
started
saying
well
wait
a
minute:
that's
the
simplified
version
of
that
is
office
of
independent
review.
We
do
that
right.
It's
a
fancy
way
of
saying
external
oversight.
So
I
was
amazed
at
how
much
of
that
report
was
right
under
my
nose
and
we
were
doing
every
single
day
at
the
police
department
and
when
I
put
those
concepts
together,
I
it
was
it
was.
E
Thank
you
church.
Thank
you.
I
have
actually.
This
was
prepared
by
sergeant
fekity
and
I
really
appreciate
him
putting
this
together.
For
us,
this
is
a
copy.
This
is
the
the
calendar
that
is
currently
being
used
by
the
burbank
police
department
for
activities
that
they
are
they're
planning
and
that's
on
their
radar
throughout
the
year.
We
we
opted
at
the
last
meeting
to
to
carry
this
over
to
today's
meeting
as
opposed
to
work
on
this
as
a
subcommittee
outside,
and
so
this
is,
this
is
just
a
start.
E
This
is
not
necessarily
a
couple
different
things.
This
is
we
we
can't
and
won't
try
to
cover.
I
hope,
every
single
item
that's
on
this
calendar
that
would
just
that
would
be
too
difficult,
but
what
we
may
want
to
do,
based
on
our
last
conversation
here,
is
to
go
ahead
and
put
together
a
calendar
of
topics
that
we
can
prepare
for
in
conjunction
with
the
department
in
advance
on
an
annual
basis
and
then
from
there.
E
We
can
also
add
additional
agenda
items
for
pressing
items
that
come
up
in
in
the
public
in
the
media
incidents
that
type
of
a
thing,
and
but
I
wanted
to
share
this
with
all
of
you
and
again,
thank
you
sergeant,
defecate,
for
for
giving
this
is
a
place
where
we
can.
We
can
partner
with
the
department
to
identify
some
themes
for
how
we
go
through
this
chair.
E
I'm
gonna
recommend
that
we
we
have
an
open
discussion
first
to
maybe
identify
and
work
through
what
what
themes
we
may
want
to
plug
into
our
annual
calendar,
and
then
we
can
narrow
it
down
from
there.
I've
got
my
own
recommendations
and
comments
and
everything,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
hear
from
everybody
here
today.
A
E
A
I'm
recommending
that
we
identify
themes
that
we
want
to
focus
in
on,
so
we
can
prepare,
as
a
commission
advance
for
those
meetings
also
allow
the
department
to
prepare
in
advance.
So
so,
for
example,
I
threw
together
an
example
of
of
a
subject
each
month
that
we
may
want
to
focus
in
on
as
part
of
that
calendar
starting
actually
just
coming
up
next
month.
We
have
a
joint
meeting
with
the
council.
So
that's
that's
the
that's
the
agenda.
E
That's
the
item
for
next
month
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
include
on
that
annual
calendar
as
we
go
into
august.
Traditionally,
we
have
because
of
some
of
the
incidents
in
the
community
we
may
want
to
focus
in
on
traffic.
Safety
is
an
is
an
annual
discussion
topic
at
that
point.
September
was
school,
starting
back.
We
may
want
to
focus
in
on
school
safety
october,
which
is
actually
national
pedestrian
safety
month,
which
ties
in
with
the
calendar.
E
We
may
want
to
focus
on
that,
because
some
of
the
commissioners,
including
myself,
have
have
concerns
about
pedestrian
safety
issues.
In
burbank
november
I
was
going
to
recommend
is
domestic
violence
as
a
focus
on
that,
because,
as
we
go
into
the
holidays,
we
typically
often
see
an
increase.
Unfortunately,
in
domestic
violence
and
other
issues
in
the
community
december
were
traditionally
dark
january.
E
I
was
going
to
recommend
dui
enforcement
february
homeless
engagement,
which
ties
into
the
homeless,
the
the
the
homeless
count
in
l.a
county
march,
I
was
going
to
recommend
equity
in
high
in
hiring
an
advancement
within
the
department
april.
I
I
did
it's
communications.
I
think
it's
communication
center
workers
month
week,
something
like
that.
E
So
I
was
going
to
recommend
identifying
that
there
may,
as
we
did
this
year,
is
focusing
on
mental
health
in
the
department
and
the
community,
where
we
also
want
to
use
that
as
a
specific
time
to
hone
in
on
the
wellness
programs
within
the
department
and
then
june,
I
was
going
to
recommend
a
year
in
review.
These
are
just
things
that
I
threw
out
there
based
on
this
material,
but
I
want
us
all
to
have
an
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
see
what
fits
for
them
so.
A
H
Thank
you,
commissioner,
coombs
for
already
laying
out
some
some
great
topics
by
month.
In
addition
to
these
topics,
based
on
these
college
of
events,
I'm
thinking
that
there
are
some
recurring
internal
reports
or
policies
and
procedures
that
bpd
has
so,
for
example,
the
oir
report.
In
the
next
meeting
we
can,
we
can
kind
of
think
about
and
work
with
bpd
on
these
recurring
events
to
incorporate
agenda
items
that
are
follow-ups
to
them,
for
example.
H
I
know
that
it
happens
once
every
other
year,
potentially
agendizing
just
reporting
out
on
that,
but
then
also
I'm
thinking
about
how,
in
the
you
know,
six
months
to
a
year,
ramping
up
to
that,
how
we
as
a
commission
can
get
involved
with
bpd
as
well
and
talking
through
maybe
engaging
the
community
on
some
of
the
topics
that
could
be
included
in
the
survey.
So
those
are
just
two
thoughts,
but
I'd
imagine
that
there
are
a
lot
of
other
kind
of
recurring
instances
such
as
that.
C
C
Okay,
so
I
mean
one
thing
that
just
kind
of
came
to
my
mind
and
something
that
I've
been
kind
of
exposing
myself
to
with
the
right
lungs
I've
been
going
out
with,
especially
with
the
with
the
gang
unit
we
are.
We
do
have
a
an
issue
with
gangs
in
this
community
and
I
think
that,
maybe
in
november,
because
you
know,
I
know
that
we
commemorate
our
fallen
officer-
matthew
pavelka,
you
know
talking
about
a
gang
report-
that'll
be
great
to
see.
C
A
E
I
Well,
I'm
still
trying
to
figure
out
the
benefit
I
mean
structure
is
good,
but
in
the
world
we
live
in
today.
Current
events,
world
events
happen
as
fast
as
social
media
can
move
it.
So
I
I
would
like,
I
think,
it's
a
good
framework,
but
I
think
we
have
to
keep
in
a
stretcher
of
flexibility
and
when
I
look
at
things
like
new
year's
day
or
super
bowl
sunday,
two
different
months,
it's
still
the
same
thing
to
me:
it's
dui.
I
E
The
structure
we
still
have
to
maintain
the
structure
of
the
motion
process,
so
we
we
still
have
the
ability
to
motion
for
agenda
items
for
upcoming
months.
We
have
some
things
that
are
floating
out
there
right
now
that
I
know
that
we
want
to
kind
of
tie
down
as
to
when
we
want
to
address
them
this.
This
should
not
sidestep
that
process
at
all.
So
there's
still
the
ability
to
do
that
and
there's
the
ability
to
plan
in
the
future,
in
conjunction
with
the
department
and
with
each
other,
to
prepare
for
topics.
E
I
K
K
So
I'll
expand
upon
that
when
I
do
my
report
out
so
for
july,
july's
wide
open
for
you
folks,
there's
nothing
on
your
agenda.
There's
some
discussion
points
tonight
that
you
could
load
up.
I
will
remind
you
in
august
it
is
mandated
training
for
you
and
I
will
expand
upon
that
when
I
report
out
and
also
at
the
beginning
of
the
session
it'll
be
elections,
and
then
your
mandated
training
and
gina
oh
text
me,
and
I
was
going
to
say
something
conceptually.
K
This
is
great
and
having
a
theme
you
you
can,
you
can
be
very
nimble
moving
forward.
So
if
the
theme
is
and
and
I'll
go
to,
mr
elman
new
year's
eve
and
a
super
bowl
sunday-
and
there
is
a
db
nexus
announce
to
super
bowl
sunday.
So
as
far
as
what
the
department's
doing,
what
plans
do
they
have
and
if
something
happens
and
there's
an
immediate
sea
change
is
that
we
can
pivot,
we,
you
can
pivot
and
we
can,
you
know,
follow
up
later.
K
So
you
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
here
moving
forward,
but
your
calendar
of
events
gives
you
kind
of
some
structure
as
far
as
what
the
department
is
doing
like
next
month.
What
are
you
guys
doing?
What
is
the
organizational
priority
in
addition
to
working
24
7.?
So
so
I
kind
of
derailed
your
plans,
but
you
can
make
that
quick
pivot.
H
Thank
you.
I
actually
think
to
that
point.
We
generally
have
two
to
three
agenda
items
on
each
meeting
anyway.
So
if
we
kind
of
schedule
one
point
of
the
agenda,
as
I
wrote
as
an
annual
kind
of
theme
per
meeting,
then
that
gives
us
some
leeway
in
seeing
how
this
particular
theme
has
progressed
year
to
year
and
have
you
know
a
benchmark
of
12
months
prior
that
we
can
bench
against,
but
then
we
still
have
the
one
or
two
additional
agenda
items
that
we
can
use
more
flexibly
right.
H
I
think
that
that
is
kind
of
one
area
that
we
could.
You
know,
leave
the
one
to
two
additional
agenda
items
for
us
to
discuss
and
for
us
to
bring
up
and
and
agendas
at
meetings
prior,
but
having
one
topic
that
we
can
all
look
forward
to
and
prepare
for
in
advance
for
months
in
advance.
Even
I
think
is
a
good
idea.
C
Sure
kobe,
oh
thank
you,
commissioner
chapman,
so
you
know
when
it
just
comes
to
the
discount.
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
idea.
It
really
keeps
us
on
course
gives
us
an
idea
of
what
we
want
to
talk
about.
What
we
want
to
discuss,
but
one
thing
I
would
definitely
want
to
add
to
this
will
be.
Okay,
is
you
know
when
it
comes
to
just
anything
that
I
try
to
approach
is?
Is
it
meaningful?
C
We
can
see
how
that
conversation
has
changed
year
to
year.
You
know-
and
I
think
that
would
be
really
impactful
as
well,
because
it
gives
us
an
idea
what
the
community
feel
feels
and
thinks
about
the
police
department,
and
then
we
can
see
year
after
year,
and
it
can
be
a
program
that
we
can
implement.
You
know
going
forward
so,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
been
done
before.
That
makes
any
sense.
K
H
I
didn't
have
a
well-formed
thought
on
that.
I
think
I
I
like
the
idea.
I
think
an
annual
survey
just
conceptually
makes
a
lot
of
sense
a
lot
changes
from
year
to
year.
I
also
don't
want
to
be
redundant
with
the
bpd's
survey,
so
I
think
to
your
point,
commissioner,
huckabee,
and
maybe
this
is
something
that
we
can
form
a
subcommittee
on
to
kind
of
determine
what
might
be
the
right
path
forward.
H
E
If
I
can
add
that
that
may
also
be
an
example
of
an
area
if
we
do
want
to
set
a
generalized
schedule
for
the
year
calendar
for
the
year.
This
would
be
a
perfect
example
of
something
that
we
could
add
on
to
an
existing
meeting
or
an
existing
theme
as
well.
So
there's
this
doesn't
rule
that
out,
but
we'll
definitely.
I
I
agree
that
the
idea
of
doing
some
additional
leg
work
on
this
to
explore
how
we
would
do
that.
E
Maybe
even
commit
consider
partnering
with
the
department
around
the
existing
survey
tool
that
they
use
possibly
having
an
impact
on
that.
That
might
be
an
idea
as
well,
but
that's
a
perfect
example
of
where
we
might
choose
to
agendize
that
discussion
or
work
in
subcommittee
on
that
issue
and
then
bring
it
back
to
the
table.
I
You
know
in
today's
world
I
mean
you
do
anything
and
right
away,
they
send
you
a
survey.
I
can't
tell
you
you
know
with
especially
with
the
medical
system.
Today,
anytime,
you
see
your
doctor,
you
know
right
away,
you
get
a
survey
back,
so
one
of
the
things
is,
I
mean
we
keep
on
trying
to
reach
out
to
the
public
and
we,
but
the
problem
is
this:
we
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
to
speak
before
us
or
call
in
and
except
for
one
speaker
tonight.
I
We've
had
zero
in
three
months,
so
I
think
before
we
start
adding
ways
to
you
know,
for
the
public
we
got
to
figure
out
what's
wrong
with
the
system.
We
have
right
now
because
I
think
there's
a
disconnect
going
on
right
now
between
the
public
and
you
know,
whatever
you
know
our
commission
or
the
tools
that
we
give
them
to
communicate
with,
but
I
mean
the
numbers
don't
lie.
I
C
The
reason
why
people
don't
know
the
burbank
police
commission
exists
is
because
the
lack
of
engagement
on
the
bank
and
police
commissioners
are
not
nothing
to
the
brand
new
commissioners
but
commissioners
of
the
past,
and
I
think
what
needs
to
happen
is
we
need
to
realize
that
it
starts
with
us.
You
know
we
have
to
go
out
there
and
we
have
to
make
those
conversations
happen.
C
We
have
to
talk
to
the
different
departments
in
the
pd
and
to
try
to
figure
out
how
that
function
also
go
out
to
the
other
community
and
talk
to
different
organizations
to
know
that
the
burban
clinton
police
commission
is
here.
So
I
get
to
comment
all
the
time
when
they're
like
what
do
you
do?
What
commission
are
you
on?
I
talked
about
the
burbank
police
commission
they're
like
oh,
we
didn't
know
that
even
existed,
so
it's
like
it's.
The
onus
is
on
us.
It
has
to
start
with
us.
C
I
I
have
to
disagree
with
you
because,
when
you
do
go
to
the
events,
it's
the
same
faces
quite
often,
and
you
know
we're
living
in
a
time
where
people
have
are
very
busy,
and
you
know
things
are
more
complicated,
I
think
than
they
used
to
be,
but
I
I
just
think
that
you
know
it.
We
got
to
reach
out
in
a
way
that
works.
A
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
it,
but
the
police
and
the
commission
members
go
out
to
different
neighborhoods
and
they
have
like
neighborhood
parties
or
whatever's
going
for
the
holla
and
it's
a
perfect
spot
to
informally
discuss
with
people
what
their
concerns
are
about,
and
this
kind
of
it's
not
a
you
know,
fill
out
a
form
kind
of
survey
but
you're
hearing
what
people
are
thinking
and
that
way
we
could
respond
to
that
later.
I
think
that
something,
what's
it
august,
2nd
yeah
comes
up
it'll.
A
I
think
it'll
be
something
very
useful
for
our
commissioners
to
use
as
direction
yeah,
you
get
information,
you
have
to
participate,
you
have
to
go
out
and
you
have
to
ask
and
wander
around
a
little
bit
and
you
might
get
a
you
know
free,
taco
or
something
for
the
evening.
But
you
get
a
lot
of
information
that
you
don't
normally
somebody
wouldn't
come
down
and
speak
to
the
dies
about.
H
I
have
a
couple
of
thoughts
to
add
on
to
that.
I
actually
think
you
know
all
the
different
opinions
on
here
are
not
diametrically
opposed
to
each
other.
There
are
points
on
quantitative
responses
and
then
their
points
on
qualitative
responses.
I
think
national
night
out
when
you're
speaking
with
people
directly
when
you
want
to
reach
out
to
people.
H
Those
are
absolutely
qualitative
and
you
get
a
lot
more
depth
and
you
get
a
lot
more
nuance
and
that's
extremely
important
I
will
say
yes,
we
definitely
have
a
smaller
percentage
of
the
community,
responding
to
the
bi-annual
survey,
but
6
000
is
not
insignificant
when
you
think
about
serving
numbers,
and
you
can
kind
of
use
that
as
a
quantitative
way
to
direct
how
the
community
moves
forward.
So
I
think
I
I
don't
think
that
we've
all
agreed
to
just
adding
on
another
survey
just
because
we
want
to
add
on
another
survey.
H
I
think
that's
something
to
discuss,
but
one
question
here
is:
how
do
we
get?
You
know
better
quantitative
information
to
back
up
and
support
some
of
the
qualitative
ideas
that
we're
getting
from
the
community
and
obviously,
there's
work
to
be
done
by
the
commission.
Members
by
you
know
everybody
involved
to
get
more
of
both,
but
they
work
in
tandem
with
each
other
and
they're,
not
necessarily
it's
one
or
the
other.
E
I
appreciate
that
and
it's
you're
right.
We
we've
got
to
draw
the
we've.
We've
got
it.
We've
got
to
increase
the
interest
and
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
But
the
good
news
is:
is
that
we've
done
a
lot
of
that
this
year
in
looking
at
in
our
last
meeting
when
we
were
talking
about
all
the
topics
that
we'd
addressed,
those
were
not
topics
that
just
came
up
because
we
had
a
wild
hair.
E
There
was
many
of
them
were
tied
to
issues
going
on
in
the
community
at
the
time
conversations
that
many
of
us
are
having,
both
with
with
the
community
and
with
members
of
the
department
as
well,
I'm
thinking
about
in
the
last
six
months,
even
as
late
as
today,
I've
had
a
half
a
dozen
conversations
with
different
people
around
domestic
violence,
as
it
relates
to
to
law
enforcement
in
burbank.
So
that's
that's
information.
That's
coming
in
from
the
community.
E
So
there
is
a
lot
that
is
going
on
and
I
want
to
lift
that
up
just
because
people
aren't
and
we
we
do
have
a
guest
here
tonight
which
we
appreciate
having
here,
but
there
are
people
that
are
providing
input
in
person
outside
of
the
meetings
via
email
telephone
calls,
so
it
is
happening
we
can.
We
can
lean
into
that
and
draw
more,
but
but
I
I
would,
I
would
not
suggest
that
we're
not
getting
that
feedback
from
the
community
right
now.
It's
actually
quite
the
opposite,
at
least
in
my
experience.
C
I
appreciate
that
and
just
to
just
to
add
to
what
so
many
commissioners
are
saying
you
know,
commissioner
chapman
there's
events
happening
in
burbank
all
the
time
and
majority
of
them
are
free.
You
just
have
to
show
up,
say
hello
address
who
you
are
and
have
conversations.
People
are
interested
when
you
say
you're
a
burbank
police.
Commissioner,
everyone
wants
to
know
what
that
is.
C
What's
your
role,
what
you
do
you
know
I
mean
our
job
is
to
be
community
liaisons,
so
the
only
way
to
be
community
zone
is
to
get
on
the
community
and
that's
what
really
works.
You
know,
and
I
really
appreciate
what
commissioner
coons
was
saying,
because
he's
worked
on
a
lot
of
projects
with
me
and
and
for
me
it's
you
know
it's
created
interest.
You
know
people
have
really
taken
notice.
C
C
What
they're
interested
in
and
then
you
have
to
appeal
to
them
and
that's
you
getting
involved
in
figuring
out
what
the
conversations
are
about
what's
important,
what's
not
important
and
then
kind
of
reporting
back
and
then
also
creatively
like
how
can
we
get
different
organizations
together,
work
together
on
on
a
common
purpose?
So
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
done,
but
I
mean
I
will
stand
by
this
is
it
starts
with
us?
You
know
it's
just
getting
out
there.
K
E
E
First
question,
I
guess
would
be
is:
do
we
want
to
establish
an
annual
calendar?
It
seems
like
that's
something
sure
that
we
may
want
to
take
a
vote
on
whether
we
and
this
would
be
so
so
I
guess,
I'm
motioning-
that
we
create
an
annual
calendar
to
identify
general
topics
that
we
want
to
address
throughout
the
year
with
the
ability
to
be
able
to
agendize
and
add
additional
items
as
needed
at
each
meeting.
B
E
Okay,
I
thought
this
was
to
have
a
discussion
as
to
whether
we
should
do
that.
Okay,
okay,
okay,
perfect,
so
I
will
I'll
go
ahead
and
and
suggest,
based
on
our
conversation,
so
far,
I'd
like
to
suggest
a
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
motion
that
we
establish
a
calendar
based
on
the
items
that
I
previously
identified
with
adding
a
couple
of
things
in,
and
I
can
go
through
those
month
by
month
relatively
quickly,
if
that's,
okay,
okay,
so
it's
a
so
it's
a
long
agenda.
It's
a
long
motion
item!
E
We
we
do
have
that
I'm
actually
in
the
middle
of
a
motion,
and
we
do
have
that
already
through
the
through
the
motion
process.
That's
built
into
what
we
do
so
I'd
like
to
motion
that
we
start
off
with.
Oh
goodness,
switch
things
up
a
little
bit,
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
switch
some
things
around
and
that
july
be
focused
on
traffic
safety.
E
A
E
A
D
E
Is
that
provide
clarification
so,
for
example,
just
decides
to
step
up
aside
from
this
for
a
moment.
For
example,
I
had
had
a
conversation
with
sergeant
fecati
around
the
calendar
that
burbank
currently
uses
prior
to
today's
meeting,
but
today
is
the
day
that
we're
actually
having
the
discussion
about
the
calendar.
Does
that
help
clarify.
E
Presentation,
the
day
of
the
event
we
will
most
likely
during
our
motion
process
dive
in
with
some
more
specific
clarification
for
what
we're
asking
for.
So
we
can
still
clarify
what
it
is
specifically
that
we're
looking
for
from
the
department
or
from
the
community
or
that
we're
preparing
ourselves
prior
to
the
meeting.
But
we
can't
actually
have
the
discussion
prior
to
the
meeting
without
having
it
agendized.
First,
all
right,
so
we'll
still
use
the
motion
process
all
right,
how's
that
work.
E
A
H
Second
here
I
think
I
have
a
quick
potential
amendment
just
for
this
year.
I,
like
the
schedule
month
by
month
for
all
future
years,
but
for
this
year
I
would
like
to
motion
to
move
school
safety
up
to
july,
just
because
that
is
a
very
pressing
issue
that
I
know
a
lot
of
members
of
our
community.
Are,
you
know,
concerned
about
and
then
maybe
switch
school
safety
and
traffic
safety
for
the
year
2022,
and
then
we
can
move
forward,
as
is
okay.
A
L
K
K
So
let
me
start
with
the
calendar,
and
so
this
is
notable
for
the
police
department,
but
also
for
the
police,
commission
and
I'll
start
with
july
19th.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
tuesday.
That's
going
to
be
a
joint
session
with
the
burbank
unified
school
district,
so
there'll
be
a
component,
a
police
component
associated
with
that
there's
an
expectation
that
we
will
present.
K
My
attorney
is
buzzing
me
here:
okay,
on
july
26
and
again
I
think
the
commission
for
their
understanding
city
manager
asked
if
we
could
make
a
switch
for
the
oir
presentation,
because
on
july
26th
there
is
going
to
be
a
report
out
by
police
department,
city
attorney
and
cdd,
a
collaborative
report
on
the
number
of
gun
stores
in
burbank,
and
that
will
probably
be
an
extended
council
session.
There's
a
lot
of
legwork,
that's
being
done
research
to
provide
that
presentation
to
council.
K
So
then,
we're
going
to
fast
forward
to
september
27th
and
that's
the
date
that
I
discussed,
where
we'll
have
the
joint
session
with
city
council
and
oir,
so
I'm
going
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
a
tutorial
for
you
as
far
as
a
protocol,
so
that
you
understand
the
expectations
of
how
you're
going
to
manage
yourself
during
that
we
subordinate
to
the
city
council.
So
it
goes
city,
council,
city
manager,
assistant
city
manager,
department,
heads
and
then
you
have
your
commissions,
so
we'll
be
in
a
subordinate
role.
K
For
the
most
part,
we've
done
our
preliminary
and
there
how
many
21,
how
many
20
21
recommendations
for
the
most
part
we're
in
agreement
and
going
to
be
income,
not
compliance,
but
we'll
move
forward
with
them
a
couple
of
them.
We
are
doing
some
point
counterpoint,
so
the
21
may
go
down
to
19
or
go
to
23.,
so
the
expectation
I
would
provide
for
you
is
that
you're,
probably
looking
at
one
spokesperson
for
the
commission
and
be
prepared
for
that.
K
K
Councilman
schultz's
first
go
at
an
joint
session
with
oar,
but
you
can
also
outreach
to
city
council
member
bob
frutos
because
he
has
been
through
this
a
handful
of
times
in
in
in,
if
miss
speaking,
let
me
know,
but
I
just
want
you
to
be
prepared.
So
it
looks
like
we
know
what
we're
doing
when
we're
presenting
okay,
so.
K
It
should
be
so
I
don't
know
again
is
that
we're
in
a
subordinate
role.
It
goes
to
a
there's.
A
the
next
meeting
will
be
with
the
city
manager,
city
attorney
in
the
police
department.
I
will
ask
that
question
when
I
kick
out
that
report,
so
it
it
may
be
the
night
of
because
I
I
I'm
not
sure
what
the
city
council's
opinion
is
going
to
be
as
far
as
it
being
public
again
we're
in
a
subordinate
role.
K
K
K
K
The
theme
that
night
may
be
maybe
move
depending
on
how
long
it
goes
so
as
far
as
other
calendared
events.
Next
friday
week
from
friday,
we
have
two
recruits
graduating
from
the
la
county
sheriff's
department,
which
is
a
big
big
deal,
you're
invited
to
the
graduation.
It's
going
to
be
100
hours
at
the
lasd
academy,
north
I'll
be
attending,
and
we
have
two
recruits
that
will
be
graduating.
K
On
a
very
much
lighter
note.
We
have
an
ice
cream
social
at
sliders
on
july
9th.
So
this
will
be
my
maiden
voyage
for
an
ice
cream
social
as
a
police
chief
police
officer.
So
I
I
don't
know
what
to
expect,
but
I'm
looking
forward
because
I
like
sliders-
and
I
have
no
idea
what
we're
looking
at
but
that'll,
be
from
6
to
9
pm.
K
Do
you
have
any
more
on
that?
Okay
other
than
they
have
some
really
good
stuff?
There
chair
chapman
talked
about
national
night
out,
which
is
gonna,
be
august,
2nd
that's
going
to
be
at
johnny
carson
park,
so
you'll
remember
that
format
typically
you're
signed
paired
up
with
folks
from
the
command
staff
or
the
cops
bureau.
We
start
at
the
park
and
then
we
hit
about
two
or
three
venues
community
venues
and
have
have
an
opportunity
to
engage
with
the
community.
K
K
A
K
K
So
as
far
as
agendas
item
right
so
with
school
safety
and
they're,
the
traffic
component
associated
with
school
right
apart
from
the
entire
city
traffic
and
for
an
agenda
contemporary
item
that
that
that
has
a
nexus
to
what
you
were
talking
earlier.
I
I
would
look
at
or
ask
about
what
officer
wellness
programs
are
in
place
or
what
are
you
looking
at?
What
does
the
future
look
like?
Because,
sadly
there
is
a
a
horrible
number
out.
There
is
officer
related
suicides,
and
I
I'll
tell
you
right
now.