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A
I'd
like
to
call
the
meaning
to
order
the
Camarillo,
Planning
Commission,
welcome
anyone
out
there
who's
tuning
in
and
for
all
those
in
attendance
tonight.
This
is
a
regular
meeting
of
November
1st
2022
secretary.
Please
call
the
roll.
A
If,
commissioner,
so
lead
us
in
pledge
allegiance.
A
That's
good,
so
I
want
to
move
on
to
our
consent
item,
which
is
just
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting,
which
just
didn't
well,
the
city
tour
for
Commissioners.
If
I
can
get
a
motion
for
approval
of
consent,.
A
Now
is
the
public
comment
period
so
for
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
on
any
item?
That's
not
on
tonight's
agenda
or
anyone
at
home.
Who
might
have
some
input?
Do
we
have
any
speakers
speaker,
cards,
okay,
CNN,
we'll
go
ahead
and
close.
The
public
comment.
A
B
F
Good
evening,
chairman,
Espinoza
and
Commissioners
this
evening,
I'll
be
presenting
on
Commercial
planned
development
252
proposed
by
sustainability,
Engineering
Group.
Essentially
it's
a
story
of
a
little
gas
station
that
could
this
is
the
proposed
project
which
is
located
at
the
southeast
corner
of
Ponderosa
Drive
and
Las.
F
Posas
Road
in
the
context
of
the
Los
poses
Plaza
shopping
center,
which
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
the
existence
site
is
vacant
and
it
previously
served
as
a
fuel
and
Service
Station
passed
the
proposals
to
construct
a
Ralph's
Fuel
Center
totaling
4135
square
feet,
the
bulk
of
that
being
the
canopy.
There
would
be
a
small
kiosk
with
a
manager
on
site
for
the
operation
of
the
fuel
center.
F
Here's
a
view
of
the
existing
project
site.
This
is
looking
Southeast
from
the
intersection
of
Ponderosa,
Ave
and
Los
poses
drive.
You
can
see
that
there's
existing,
curb
Cuts
there
along
the
side
of
the
site
along
the
road
on
the
East
and
North.
That
would
need
to
be
brought
to
current
code
standards
terms
of
background.
The
site
was
developed
with
an
auto
service
station
previously
that
included
fuel
sales
and
Automotive
servicing
and
I
searched.
F
The
story
continues
in
June
of
2001
when
all
the
above
and
below
ground
site
features,
including
the
underground
storage
tanks,
were
removed
and
soil's
Remediation
began
and
the
site
has
remained
vacant
since
then.
So
for
21
years
the
site
has
been
vacant
and
in
December
28th
2020
La
Regional
water
quality
control
board
issued
a
letter
that
the
site
had
been
closed
and
the
site
closure
was
proper
and
met
the
health
and
safety
code
requirements.
F
Here's
the
site
plan
I've
added
some
labels.
Just
to
make
this
clear
to
you,
it's
a
point
to
a
0.42,
Acre
Site.
It's
really
a
tight
sight
in
terms
of
fitting
all
the
elements
onto
it.
There
would
be
five.
There
would
be
five
dispenser
islands
with
a
total
of
10
gas
pumps
that
are
shown
here
with
the
descriptive
labels,
and
the
pumps
will
be
around
arranged
around
a
kiosk
with
the
employee
on
site
to
manage
operations
of
the
gas
Center.
F
The
project
site
would
take
access
from
existing
shared
access
points
at
Las,
Posas
shopping
center,
one
off
of
Las
Posas
Road
and
one
to
the
north
off
of
Ponderosa
Drive.
You
can
see
those
labeled
there.
The
project
will
also
make
striping
and
circulation
improvements
to
allow
for
the
safe
circulation
of
vehicles
on
the
site,
and
here
are
the
underground
storage
tanks
that
would
be
located
on
the
fuel
center
now
to
illustrate
the
vehicular
circulation
I
created
this
slide
for
site
plan
circulation,
so
we'll
assume
that
a
vehicle
is
driving
Northbound
on
Las,
Posas
Road.
F
F
Here
things
have
changed
in
the
past
50
years
from
when
there
was
previously
a
fuel
center
on
the
site.
Projected
traffic
on
Las,
Posas
Road
will
necessitate
the
installation
of
two
left
turn
Lanes
on
Los
posos.
Here,
therefore,
there's
a
condition
of
approval
requiring
a
17-foot
dedication
for
improvements
to
the
right-of-way.
So
to
illustrate
that
the
property
boundary
will
shift
to
the
east
like
this
to
make
way
for
a
future
Capital
Improvement,
and
that
way
the
fuel
center
has
the
space
available
at
such
time
that
that
CIP
project
is
triggered.
F
The
site
plan
for
landscaping
also
is
another
thing:
that's
changed
in
the
past
50
years.
It
requires
a
post-construction
storm
water
management
plan
to
meet
the
city's
current
stormwater
management
ordinance.
So
the
PC
SMP,
as
it's
called
post-construction
storm
water
management
plan,
we'll
need
to
go
into
that
Western
perimeter
there
and
it
will
also
feature
Landscaping,
so
there'll
be
bushes
in
that
that
help
treat
the
storm
water
and
also
serve
as
a
screening
element
for
the
vehicles
that
are
circulating
on
the
site.
So
there'll
be
Landscaping
there
along
that.
F
So
here's
a
little
call
out
of
the
pcsmp
here's
an
elevation
sheet
and
we
you
are
aware
from
the
Architectural
Review
committee
meeting
that
the
staff
worked
with
the
applicant
and
his
architect
to
identify
colors,
textures
and
materials
that
are
shown
on
the
finished
Legend
here
that
will
match
the
existing
architecture
of
Las
Posas
Plaza,
which
was
recently
updated
in
2017
through
a
commercial
major
modification
to
the
commercial
plan
development
permit.
So
this
is
a
modern
interpretation
of
the
Monterey
style
architecture.
F
That's
an
exemption
in
state
and
local
ordinance
for
infill
development,
because
the
project
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
It's
within
the
city
on
site,
less
than
five
acres
has
no
habitat
value
for
threatened
endangered
or
special
status
species
that
we
all
love
like
the
coastal,
California,
gnat,
catcher
or
burrowing.
Owl
I
didn't
see
any
out
there
when
I
was
visiting
the
site
and
there's
no
significant
effects
for
traffic
noise,
air
quality
or
water
quality
and
a
project
will
be
served
by
existing
utilities
and
services
as
infill
on
the
site.
F
So,
therefore,
no
additional
environmental
review
in
terms
of
Staff
review.
This
design
is
consistent,
as
I've
said.
Modern
interpretation
of
monary
style
architecture,
they're
going
to
use
varying
textures,
including
stucco
brick
veneer,
a
standing,
seam
metal
roof
to
meet
the
community
design
element
requirements
as
well
as
the
environmental
setting.
And
lastly,
the
project
complements
the
tenant
mix
there
at
Las,
Posas
Plaza
and
adds
value
to
the
site
because
it's
been
vacant
for
over
20
years
and
it's
a
different
type
of
use.
F
Hopefully,
when
people
come
to
fill
up
their
cars
they're
also
visiting
local
businesses
while
they're
making
their
trip.
So
the
suggested
action
here
is
to
adopt
the
resolution
approving
CPD,
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
that
are
in
your
agenda.
Packets
and
action
is
final
unless
there
is
an
appeal-
and
this
concludes
staff's
presentation.
A
Okay,
very
well
done.
Thank
you
for
that.
Can
I
get
questions
from
commissioners,
commission
schnitzel.
D
I,
just
maybe
to
clarify
and
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
on
the
discussion
on
the
the
agenda
item
they
talk
about.
No
public
hearing
notice
was
required
for
the
application.
Could
you
kind
of
explain
explain
that
a
little
bit
of
why
it's
exempt
from
from
giving
public
hearing
notice.
F
F
D
F
D
Then
I
had
one
other
question,
at
least
for
now.
You
know
in
the
report.
It
also
talks
about
the
you
know,
because
it
it
was
previously
contaminated
property,
and
it
says
that
the
Ventura
County
Department
of
Environmental
Health
review
the
application
and
provided
conditions
to
avoid
threats
to
human
health
and
everything.
Could
you
kind
of
explain
what
some
of
those
conditions
were
sure
to
address
that
be.
F
Happy
to
summarize
those
they
are
conditions
106
through
108
on
the
commercial
plan
development
permit.
In
a
nutshell,
they
require
the
applicant
to
submit
a
hazardous
materials
management
plan.
It's
specifically
called
a
hazardous
materials
business
plan
and
as
a
result
of
the
environmental
health
division
of
the
county,
reviewing
the
application.
They
put
this
condition
on
the
permit
and
that
regulates
the
usage
of
hazardous
materials
and
then
there's
another
one
for
that
specifically
pertains
to
underground
storage
tanks.
E
Man,
so
on
that,
then
I
just
want
clarification,
and
so
this
goes
out
verbally
as
far
as
a
couple
of
us
had
questions,
then,
as
far
as
knowing
that
there
is
still
a
light
amount
of
contaminants
in
the
soil
and
down
and
that
if
they
dig
down
they're
going
to
have
to
dig
down
to
put
in
the
new
tanks
and
stuff.
So
this
is
the
control
that
will
check
on
that
and
then
make
sure
that
there's
nothing
flying
around
in
the
air.
E
F
Correct
there's
there's
another
item
to
the
to
the
discussion
here,
because
the
Los
Angeles
Regional
quality
control
board
issued
the
closure
letter
and
that's
what
points
to
the
possibility
that
there
could
be
petroleum
hydrocarbons
in
the
soil.
However,
the
site
was
properly
closed,
so
we
we
know
that
it
meets
the
criteria
for
low
risk,
but
it's
a
hard
thing
to
know
with
any
soil
on
a
site
until
it
starts
to
be
excavated
and
that
in
in
this
case,
these
two
conditions
of
approval
would
require
the
safe
disposition
of
hazardous
materials.
If
they're
encountered
yeah.
E
Because
with
this
I
mean
because
we
didn't
get
a
copy
of
the
closure
letter,
but
we
also
don't
have
the
history
of
how
far
or
intense
any
of
the
contamination
was
to
start
with
when
they
started
monitoring
it
and
remediating
it.
So
we
don't
have
that
background.
We
know
that
it
was.
They
sent
the
closure
letter.
So
apparently,
it's
tested
out
appropriately
at
this
time,
yeah.
F
F
So
we
know
the
agency
with
jurisdiction
over
that
has
concluded
that
it's
a
low
threat
and
then,
furthermore,
it's
like
for
like
so
it
was
a
previously
a
fuel
station.
It's
going
to
continue
to
be
a
fuel
station,
so
there's
not
an
increase
in
the
sensitivity
of
the
use
which
is
what's
also
alluded
to.
In
that
letter.
B
The
applicant
would
have
to
go
through
this
process
to
secure
a
permit
from
the
county
and
at
that
time,
that's
when
they
would
also
condition
it,
and
one
of
the
conditions
would
be
to
monitor
the
site
during
construction
because
during
construction
just
in
case,
because
it
does
mention
that
there
may
be
some
exposure
or
contamination
still
in
there.
But
it's
at
the
acceptable
levels
right
now,
but
there
there
will
be
requirements
to
monitor
that.
To
kind
of
get
to
your
point
of
you
know,
people
driving
by
and
you
know,
they're
being
exposed
to
you.
E
F
E
A
E
Stuff
much
easier
than
reading
the
directions
trying
to
figure
it
out
and
even
looking
at
this,
the
drawing.
But
how
much
is
the
distance?
How
long
is
the
distance
for
the
two
pumps
and
if
you
have
two
cars
getting
gas
at
the
same
time?
Is
there
plenty
of
room
for
the
back
one
to
pull
out
and
still
drive
around
the
front
car
to
be
able
to
get
out
of
the
station.
F
So
we
we
worked
with
the
applicant
closely
to
ensure
that
the
width
of
the
dry
vials
meets
the
code
standards
they're
on
the
one-way
portion
of
the
dry
vial
to
the
West
there's
at
least
24
feet,
width
of
the
dirt
of
the
drive
aisle
and
then
to
answer
your
question
directly
to
the
north
there,
where
it's
a
one-way
Drive
aisle,
that's
also
a
24
foot
width,
so
it
provides
sufficient
space
for
a
vehicle
to
drive
around
a
car
that
is
temporarily
at
a
pump.
E
Yeah,
just
I'm,
not
visualizing
or
knowing
the
length
of
the
stations
before
the
two
pumps,
that's
paid
from
the
east
side
of
the
back
pump
to
the
west
side
of
the
front
pump
and
so
I'm
thinking,
part
of
the
front
car
could
be
poking
out
into
the
drive.
But
if
you've
got
that
much
space,
there
should
still
be
enough
room
to
go
around.
F
E
C
Yes,
there
were
numerous
conditions
that
were
applied
to
the
project
and
included
in
our
package
was
a
Narrative
of
the
meeting
between
City
staff
and
the
developer
regarding
the
conditions
of
whether
or
not
they
were
to
be
included
or
Not
Included.
C
F
Yes,
we
received
a
condition,
objection
letter
that
objected
to
35
conditions
of
approval,
so
we
looked
at
each
condition
to
see
if
it
truly
applied
to
the
project
site.
In
some
cases
they
could
be
omitted,
they
weren't
applicable
and
then
in
some
cases
we
modified
the
language,
for
example,
because,
for
example
like
the
Landscaping
on
the
west
right.
So
in
that
case
there
has
to
be
a
post-construction
more
storm
water
management
plan
installed.
C
Okay
case
in
point:
Food
Service
is
Food
Service,
going
to
be
provided
by
the
attendant
or
not,
or
is
it
just
to
process
payments,
credit
card
or
otherwise.
F
F
D
C
I
noticed
that
in
the
conditions
and
I
I
should
have
written
it
down,
but
I
didn't
one
of
the
conditions
noted.
There
were
three
things:
it's
either
already
approved
or
approved
with
the
project
new
to
the
project
or
a
condition
of
say.
If
there
was
a
mitigated
negative
declaration,
then
the
particular
item
would
be
covered
by
that,
since
we
did
not
do
a
mitigated.
C
B
F
C
A
A
So
I
think
I
first
wanted
to
ask
if
you
could
clarify
for
me
what
you
mentioned
about
the
discussion
item
versus
the
public
hearing
item
on
commercial
type
projects
since
for
the
past
four
years,
it
feels
like
we've
had
public
hearing
items
involving
both
so.
F
A
So
I'm
just
unclear
still
to
this
day
as
to
what
the
what
the
triggers
are
for
making
it
either
a
public
hearing
item
or
a
discussion
addict
because
something
like
this
a
service
station.
A
You
know
fueling
station,
even
though
it's
you're
not
doing
auto
body
work
or
anything
of
that
nature.
You're
still,
you
know
dispensing
Fuel
and
you're
still
having
tankers
come
in
and
refueling
underground
tanks.
So
there's
still
like
some
sort
of
public
concern
where
you
might
want
something
noticed
like
this
and
have
more
public
input
and
involvement.
So
if
you
could
just
kind
of
share
what
the
distinction
is
between
not
having
to
be
the
public
hearing
item
versus
a
discussion
item.
F
B
So
it's
a
and
I'll
just
kind
of
take
on
to
that.
It's
the
the
type
of
permit
and
the
zone
that
it's
in
so
some
of
the
zones
in
our
municipal
code
require
a
public
hearing
or
some
don't
that's
one
of
the
the
items
that
we
kind
of
have
on
our
to-do
list
to
kind
of,
because
it
is
confusing.
So
we
want
to
standardize
that
and
make
it
consistent
throughout
the
code.
Okay,.
A
Yeah
I
mean,
to
the
extent
possible
where
we
can
make
this
a
public
process.
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
I
think
is
is
preferable
if,
if,
but,
if
there's
a
choice
there
and
and
how
we
approach
the
projects
that
come
through,
because
public
input
is
important
and
I
feel
that's
something
that
should
be
considered
so
20
years
as
far
as
this
being
a
vacant
lot.
A
B
So
I've
been
here
for
seven
years
and
and
every
once,
while
we
would
get
a
call,
you
know
what's
going
on
with
that
law
and
it's
right
on
the
corner,
and
you
know
we
kind
of
let
them
know
that
the
city
is
monitoring
it.
We
had
annual
communication
with
the
the
property
owners
representative
on
how
they're
progressing
with
their
remediation
with
the
county
for
the
last
I
think
two
years
prior
to
getting
the
letter.
B
They're
close,
they
kept
thinking,
oh
I,
think
we're
going
to
get
it
I
think
we're
going
to
get
it,
but
but
we
would
continue
to
check
in
with
them
and
monitor
the
situation
there
and
just
kind
of
inform
the
public.
You
know
when
they,
when
they
would.
You
know,
call
and
inquire
on
the
site
that
it's
you
know
there
is
some
contamination
that
they're
remediating
and
to
think
in
a
few
years
that
it
it'll,
be
though
the
county
will
show
the
closure
letter.
B
Well,
that
did
happen
now
so
and
now
we're
here
we're
ready
to
develop
Society
in.
A
Okay,
so
it
was
really
involving
the
process
that
began
20
years
prior
2001
when
they
basically
started
the
mitigation
process
of
the
contaminated
yeah.
A
A
So
it
got
to
a
level
where
the
Los
Angeles
Regional
water
quality
board
said.
You
know,
you're
good
to
go.
We're
we're
going
to
sign
you
off,
but
we're
still
going
to
tell
you
in
a
closure
letter
that
there
may
be
with
the
word
May
data
that
suggests
that
there's
soil
that
could
be
contaminated.
That
would
pose
a
significant
risk
of
some
sort.
A
So
what
I
mean
it
seems
a
little
bit
almost
contradictory
to
saying:
okay,
we're
at
the
point
where
we
can
sign
you
off,
but
then
we're
going
to
tell
you
in
the
sign
off
that
maybe
there's
a
hazard
there,
so
I'm
wondering
if
that
the
language
they
use
it
seemed
kind
of
strong.
So
is
there?
Isn't
there
really
a
risk
there
with
the
underground
soil
still,
and
if
there's
not,
you
know
I,
can
you
just
maybe
respond
to
the
way
they
yeah.
B
B
Yeah
they
so
that
they're,
the
the
regulatory
agency
and
they
they
feel
that
at
this
point,
the
the
contamination
has
been
reduced
to
acceptable
levels,
but
I
don't
really
want
to
speak
for
them
or
put
words
in
their
mouth,
but
but
they
do
have
that
caveat
and
they're
saying
that,
but
there
may
be
a
potential
I,
don't
know
what
they
exactly
mean
by
that
I
could
probably
only
speculate.
You
know.
B
E
D
I,
don't
know
if
you
remember,
but
I
remember
over
the
years.
You
know
it's
been
20
years.
They've
always
had
monitoring
equipment
on
that,
and
so
you
know
they
probably
check
that
and
it
dissipated
to
the
point
where
it
got
below
the
acceptable
levels,
because
I
mean
for
20
years
they
that
thing
was
it
was
fenced
off
and
they
had
some
equipment
there.
That
was
monitoring
it.
So
I
always
kind
of
felt
sorry
for
the
owner
of
the
property
took
20
years
to
clear
that
lot.
D
A
Yeah
so
I,
just
as
you
said,
through
the
permit
process,
they
will
ensure
that,
if
in
the
excavation
process,
if
there
is
anything
there
that
requires
remediation,
it
takes
place
before
the
going
forward
construction.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
A
A
How
is
that
actually
going
to
line
up
with?
Because
it's,
if
you
have
two
left,
turn
Lanes
of
current
Lane
that
goes
straight
lines
up
across
the
street
or
in
the
north
side
of
Ponderosa.
A
A
There
right
currently
It
lines
right
up
going
straight
up:
Las
Posas
North
beyond
the
intersection,
so.
A
Yeah
with
that
any
further
questions
for
staff
at
this
point,
CNN
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
up
and
see
if
Africa
would
like
to
present
to
the
commission.
Thank.
I
You
Mr
chairman
good
evening,
members
of
the
commission.
As
far
as
the
presentation
goes,
Mitchell
was
not
only
comical
but
very
thorough
in
his
presentation
and
we
appreciated
his
help
throughout
the
process.
He
was,
he
did
a
very
good
job.
We've
reviewed
the
conditions
at
this
point.
Yes,
we
had
several
issues
with
the
conditions
and
staff
was
very
amenable
to
to
changing
some
of
the
conditions
that
actually
couldn't
be
satisfied
if
we
proceeded
so
we're
at
a
point
where
we
can't
agree
to
the
conditions.
I
So
thank
you
Mitchell.
Thank
you
staff.
You
did
a
great
job
and
I'm
just
here
to
answer
any
questions.
C
We
were
excuse
me.
We
were
able
to
ask
a
number
of
questions
in
the
prior
meeting,
the
Architectural,
Review,
Committee
and
I.
Wonder
if
you
could
summarize
quickly
how
the
facility
would
operate
the
attendant
Etc,
how
people
would
use
the
facility
and
access
in
and
out
just
a
real
quick
overview
for
the
benefit
of
the
rest
of
the
Planning
Commission
sure.
I
It's
my
understanding
that
the
facility
will
stay
open,
24
hours
a
day,
the
staff
attendant
most
likely
until
10
o'clock
at
night,
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning
with
respect
to
the
health,
the
food
service.
If,
if
we
are
serving
food
that
is
cooked
or
not
not,
pre-packaged
we'd
have
to
get
the
health
permit.
That
is
a
condition
of
approval.
We
don't
we
don't
intend
to
do
that
these
service
attendant.
It
basically
is
there
to
serve
the
public
if
there's
any
issues
with
the
pumps
that
type
of
thing.
So
it's
pretty
pretty
simple
deal.
I
Yeah
Ingress
and
egress
it
was.
It
was
an
issue
that
was
brought
up
by
the
public
works
department.
We
satisfied
their
concerns
on
on
top
of
the
Public
Works
review,
their
other
Traffic
Division
Kroger
is
also
very
stringent
upon
how
they
circulate
their
traffic
through
the
to
their
stations
and
that
that
had
to
be
satisfied
as
well.
So
we've
got
the
the
Kroger
staff
who
deals
with
this
on
a
day-to-day
basis
on
all
of
their
facilities
along
with
public
works.
So
it
was
a
double
review
and
we're
satisfied
at
this
point.
I
I
C
Maybe
not
the
last
question
but
I
wonder
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about,
because
a
right-of-way
needs
to
be
dedicated
for
future
development
of
Los
poses
road.
If
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
Landscaping
that
would
be
provided
as
a
result
of
your
project.
Sure.
I
And
we
didn't
have
a
problem
with
the
original
requirements.
Our
original
landscape
plan
had
trees
and
trees
and
Roots
don't
go
along
well
with
biosoils,
so
we
took
the
trees
out
and
Mitchell
was
amenable
to
have
our
landscape
plan
change
to
have
low
shrubs,
which
don't
have
growing
roots
and
I.
Guess
if
you
need
to
somehow
maintain
maintain
the
BIOS
well,
we
can
do
that
without
running
over
trees,
which
would
be
next
to
Impossible.
D
And
I
asked
at
the
Architectural
Review
Committee
that
I
thought
would
be
interesting,
too,
is,
as
far
as
you
know,
Ralphs
and
the
gas
stations
you
guys
are
doing.
An
expansion
I
mentioned
that
we
just
recently
approved
one
for
bonds
and
that's
the
first
one
we've
seen
around
you
know
in
in
our
city
that
has
done
that.
But
are
there
other
ones
in
California
that
that
you
guys
have
for
the
Ralph
station.
I
G
Yeah
I'm
also
the
applicant.
My
name
is
Casey
McKeon
yeah.
To
answer
your
question:
they,
if
appropriate,
would
like
to
add
fuel
to
all
their
brands.
So
Ralph's,
you
know
Food
For,
Less,
Food,
City
Etc,
so
that
we
are
working
on
other
projects
in
California.
So
we've
done
one
in
Calexico,
Temecula,
currently
El
Centro,
so
yeah,
okay,.
D
G
A
good
amenity
to
the
community,
it's
like
to
answer
your
questions.
First
class
operation,
very
streamlined
once
you
guys
see
it,
you'll
be
you'll,
be
very
proud
of
it
and
obviously
it's
a
you
know
a
tremendous
sales
tax
generator
as
well
to
the
city.
So,
okay,.
D
E
One
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
Krogers
and
Vons
service
stations
from
Phoenix.
So
that's.
E
Yeah
they're
all
over
Phoenix
and
as
far
as
like
the
kiosk
and
the
food
service,
some
of
them
have
a
few
shelves
outside
of
the
kiosk
so
that
you
can
grab
and
go
some
munchies
or
food
or
beverages
or
something
you
know
just
pay
for
them
at
the
kiosk,
but
really
not
in
the
kiosk.
So
you
know,
I
can
visualize
that
from
where
I've
been.
I
We
had
an
ice
machine
and
some
outdoor
amenities
and
we
were
told
that's
it.
That's
not
acceptable
in
the
City
of
Camarillo.
E
Okay,
so
you
know
I,
but
you
know
to
answer
your
questions
Gene
as
far
as
yeah
it
not
usually
inside
unless
they
have
a
larger
store
with
it.
So
not
if
it's
just
the
little
kiosks
and
somewhere
in
there.
It
mentioned
that
we
might,
you
might
have
to
have
Under
Fire
Protection
a
fire
hydrant
is
that
in
the
plans
and
if
so,
where
would
it
go?
Or
do
you
feel
you're
not
going
to
need
to
put
that
in.
I
I
I
know
that
there's
no
need
for
a
fire
hydrant.
The
fire
department
indicated
that
we
didn't
need
a
fire
connection
either
and
that
if
we
did
have
fire
sprinklers
at
the
point
of
the
building
permit
that
we
could
utilize
the
the
public
water
system,
because
it
was
so
small.
Okay.
E
E
Know
the
fire
fire
hydrant
right
and
I
guess
my
only
other
comment,
not
that
it's
I
don't
know
how
much
of
a
concern.
It
is
just
that
this
will
be
the
third
gas
station
within
like
a
block,
so
you've
got
one
across
the
street
and
one
a
block
down,
but
at
least
it'll
be
they're
in
different
areas.
I
just
don't
know.
If
that's
going
to
be
too
many
gas
stations
in
one
area,
but
I'm
all
for
Ralph's
gas
station
going
in.
E
Okay,
all
right,
yeah
I
got
my
other
answers
on
having
to
excavate
all
the
ground
and
what
that
would
do,
I
think
that's
all
I
have
for
right
now.
Thank
you.
A
So
I
wanted
to
ask
in
the
Agenda
Report
you
mentioned
that
you
know
there
was
a
back
and
forth
with
the
conditions
that
were
you
know,
they're
objected
to
and
so
forth
were
you
and
it
was
great
that
staff
work
with
you
and
you
got
to
this
point,
but
it
seemed
like
there
was
a
concern
about
traffic
on
your
part
and
whether
you
felt
that
there
was
no
traffic
impact
to
the
fact
that
you
would
have
a
service
station
there
is
that
what
was.
I
No
I
thought
I
think
my
point
was
is
that
the
traffic
had
been
there
before
with
the
prior
use
and
with
the
environmental
concerns
you
use
the
base
traffic
from
a
prior
use
for
the
ex
for
for
re
for
reestablishing
the
use,
so
there
wouldn't
be
any
additional
traffic
technically
speaking,
and
so
there
wouldn't
be
a
Nexus
and
there's
a
little
case
law
to
say
that
we
wouldn't
be
required
to
give
you
the
13
feet,
but
we've
talked
to
Kroger
and
we've
and
the
property
developer
and
we've
agreed
to
give
the
13
feet
without
objection.
A
And
I
have
to
ask
this
because
honestly
I
mean
it.
It's
a
shame:
that's
been
sitting
there.
It
seems
like
a
good
piece
of
property
for
20
years
to
be
vacant
and
that
we've
gotten
to
this
point
where
it
can
be
developed,
but
given
where
things
are
going
in
terms
of
gasoline
consumption
and
future
Evolution.
You
know,
especially
in
this
state
in
particular,
because
they've
got
like
requirements
for
I,
think
by
2035
to
be
zero
emission
vehicles.
A
G
No-
and
we
get
this
a
lot
on
our
projects
like
I,
said
we're,
like
Kroger's,
preferred
fuel
station
developer,
so
they
they
do
forecasting,
obviously
and
see
Trends,
but
they
also
have
the
wherewithal
to
switch
out.
You
know
technology.
If
that
comes
about,
we
were
actually
working
on
one
in
San
Clemente,
where
it
was
going
to
have
traditional
fuel
hydrogen
pump
and
then
obviously
electric
charging
stations,
so
they
have
the
capacity
and
the
wherewithal
being
Kroger.
You
know
the
the
nation's
largest
grocery
store
to
switch
out
that
technology.
G
A
G
I
mean,
like
I
just
said
they
have.
You
know
they
have
that
capability.
Now,
it's
just
that
that
technology
does
not
currently
exist
quickly
unless
it's
like
a
Tesla,
you
know
supercharging
station,
but
you
know
Kroger
has
that
wherewithal
to
to
implement
that
you
know
technology.
If
the
time
requires
it.
C
A
second
question
involves:
where
do
you
actually
price
it?
Where
do
you
put
the
price
per
gallon
charge,
advertising
for
the
public.
G
G
I
mean
they
typically
like
to
in
other
states
where
we
work
they'll
have
the
the
pricing
on
the
canopy,
so
I
know
that's
not
an
option
here,
so
they
will
a
lot
of
times
advertised
in
this
in
the
grocery
store,
and
obviously
you
know
if
they
have
their
preferred
customers
on
an
email
list
to
advertise
there.
So.
C
E
One
other
remark:
I
wanted
to
make
to
clarify,
but
for
people
that
are
listening,
you
know
for
this
understanding.
As
far
as
I
saw
in
there,
there's
not
going
to
be
any
diesel
gas
sold
at
the
station
correct.
So
it's
just
one
is
smaller:
there's
not
a
lot
of
room
for
the
bigger
vehicles,
but
yeah
I
didn't
see
anything
related
to
diesel
on
the
plan.
E
A
Yes,
commissioner,
the
call
for
a
resolution.
Okay,
so
no
further
comments.
We
have
to
close,
oh
yeah.
We
need
the
arc
review
report
for
the
architectural
committee.
D
We
we
met
earlier
the
architect,
Review
Committee,
just
to
review
it
solely
from
an
architectural
standpoint,
and
so
we
felt
it
was
compatible.
It
was
near
the
Heritage
Zone,
but
actually
not
right
in
it,
but
it's
still
kind
of
met
the
Heritage
Zone
design
and
more
particularly
the
remodel
of
the
center.
That
recently
occurred.
It's
consistent
with.
What's
in
the
center
and
it'll,
we
felt
it
would
match
good
and
look
like
it's.
You
know
part
of
the
center,
so
on
that
basis
we
approved
it.
A
Yeah
for
for
probably
comment
on
this
item.
Do
we
have
any
cards?
Okay,
so
we'll
close
that
okay
and
no
further
commissioner
comments
to
make
on
the
project
before
we
call.
E
For
a
resolution,
I
will
just
add
that
I
think
it's
a
good
project
I
think
it's
going
to
look
nice
and,
like
I,
say
I'm
familiar
with
the
grocery
store
gas
stations
from
over
in
Phoenix
and
they're.
Usually
a
pretty
good
plus
like
over
in
Phoenix
I.
Think
QT
stations
are
like
the
most
prevalent
standard
gas
station.
You
know
private
gas
station
and
the
price
is
there
anyways
for
the
grocery
stores
are
pretty
equal
to
that
and
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
a
nice
addition.
E
They
did
take
a
lot
of
great
pains
to
work
with
the
traffic
flow
and
I
think
you're
not
going
to
be
exiting
into
the
street
from
it's
controlled
enough
that
it
shouldn't
be
a
problem.
You
know
for
the
main
street,
so
I
think
it's
a
good
plan.
A
Okay,
well
yeah.
The
other
thing
I
would
want
to
say,
in
addition
is
just
that
in
terms
of
land
use
and
zoning
and
general
plan,
I
I
I
feel
that
the
project
fulfills,
you
know
the
requirements
within
those
guidelines.
A
Staff
really
worked
hard
on.
This
I
could
tell
from
reading
the
agenda
report
and
the
comments
and
the
condition
some
matters
that
came
forward
so
I
know
a
lot
of
work
went
into
this
in
order
to
get
it
to
this
point.
So
I
appreciate
that
I
mean
I'm
still
at
the
point
where
I
wonder
as
use
as
was
mentioned,
that
there's
a
continued
expansion
of
service
stations,
I
see
quite
a
few
Tesla's
everywhere.
I
look
and
I
know
that
that's
coming
and
I
know
the
people
paying
six
dollars.
A
A
gallon
for
gasoline
are
probably
looking
that
direction
now
is
as
as
consumers,
so
so
I
I
believe
it
every
word
about
there
being
an
expansion
taking
place
with
service
stations,
but
I,
you
know
and
I,
don't
know
if
this
was
necessarily
a
public
demand,
but
I
think
that
I'm
I'm
glad
to
see
the
the
land
being
developed
and
I
think
that
what
you,
what
you're
doing
with
it
is,
is
very
appropriate
and
and
will
look
good
and
appreciate
the
work
that
went
into
it
for
both
the
applicant
and
staff.
B
Yes,
thank
you
sure.
Just
have
one
item.
So
our
last
meeting
of
the
the
calendar
year
2022
is
scheduled
for
December
6,
which
we
do
intend
to
to
have.
We
have
several
projects
that
are
tracking
for
that
meeting,
planning,
question
meetings
so
put
it
on
your
calendar
that
will
most
likely
be
having
that
meeting
and
then
that'll
be
the
the
last
meeting
for
the
the
calendar
year.
D
Compliment
the
staff
on
this
one
and
you
could
tell
there
was
a
lot
of
work
that
went
into
that
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
with
the
developer,
and
it
seems
like
that.
You
worked
with
them
and
we
still
got
what
we
we
needed
as
well,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
good
project
so,
and
the
report
was
so
complete
that
it
kind
of
made
our
job
easy.
I.
Think
so.
Thank
you
for
that.
E
You
know
I
enjoyed
the
animated
car
trying
to
read
through
the
directions.
You
know
read
it
verbally.
You
know
all
the
planning
and
stuff
and
and
then
going
back
and
looking
at
the
the
picture
of
you
know
the
blueprint
of
it
and
stuff,
and
it's
like
okay,
I,
think
I
understand
it.
I
think
I
can
see
it,
but
a
little
car
was
a
great
addition.
C
Yes,
again,
compliments
to
staff
on
putting
all
of
this
together.
It
seems
like
a
very
simple
thing
just
put
in
a
service
station
and
because
there
was
a
service
station
there
before
well,
not
so
fast,
there's
a
whole
lot
more
to
it
in
terms
of
traffic
impacts
in
terms
of
potential
leaking
tanks
that
had
occurred
ahead
of
time
Etc
and
to
unwind
the
project
and
then
put
it
back
together
again.
I
thought
was
quite
well
done
it.
C
It
just
is
a
service
station
period,
but
it
does
have
tanks
with
it
and
does
have
an
attendant
Etc,
but
this
particular
while
it
seems
on
the
surface,
to
be
very,
very
simple,
there's
a
whole
lot
more
to
it
and
I.
C
My
compliments
to
all
of
the
staff
in
putting
this
together
and
and
running
it
through
and
even
with
the
meeting
on
the
conditions
of
approval
and
reaching
an
agreement
with
the
developer
on
the
agreement,
for
what
conditions
would
be
part
of
the
package
and
what
would
not
what
was
applicable
to
the
project.
What
was
not
was
very
well
done,
so
my
compliments
second
thing:
moving
off
of
the
agenda,
but
more
specifically
next
Tuesday
a
week
from
today
is
voting
day
and
I
encourage
all
of
you
to
cast
your
ballot.
C
If
any
change
is
going
to
occur,
one
way
or
the
other,
it
happens,
Through
The,
Ballot
Box
and
whether
you
mail,
whether
you
go
in
and
do
it
whether
you
use
the
Dropbox
whatever,
but
please
vote,
please
get
out
and
vote.
It's
so
important.
People
say
man,
it
never
gets
anywhere.
Well,
it's
because
of
apathy
and
we
have
to
be
careful
of
apathy
and
we
need
to
be
decisive
in
what
we
decide.
It's
our
opinion
and
so
be
it
vote
for
the
candidate.