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A
Order,
the
donate
meeting
of
the
caribou
planning
board
first
item
of
business
approval
of
the
may
11
2017
minutes.
A
A
A
Pretty
straightforward,
so,
okay,
any
board
members
have
any
questions,
or
should
we
go
right
straight
to
the
checklist
that
has
to
be
reviewed
by
us?
D
Let's
just
remind
the
audience
that
we
are
reviewing
and
potentially
approving
a
parking
lot.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
building
that
will
be
adjacent
to
that
parking
lot.
A
True,
okay
and
I've
asked
steve
wentworth
our
our
staff
assistant
to
chime
in
wherever
possible
that
we
need
some
assistance
or
guidance.
Excuse
me
item
a
conformance
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
F
E
A
Thank
you,
traffic.
Yes,.
A
It's
going
to
be
a
site
again:
that's
yes,
parking
and
vehicle
circulation.
That's
obviously
a
yes!
If
we're
creating
a
parking
area,
pedestrian
circulation,
I
believe
that
the
plans
we
were
shown
handled
that
so
that's
a
yes
site
conditions
would
be
yes,
open.
Space.
A
A
Sanitary
sewage
should
be
well
that
should
be
an
n
a
because
they're
not
generating
any
sewage
out
of
a
parking
lot.
Water
supply
is
n,
a
emergency
vehicle
access
would
be
a
yes
it's
compliant.
It
looks
good
on.
A
A
Advertising
in
a
design
relationship
to
site
and
surrounding
properties-
I
was
gonna
say
that's
a
yes.
A
C
A
Utilities
for
parking
lot
and
a
mineral
exploration
and
a
general
requirements,
I
would
say
yes,
phosphorus
export
is
an
n
a
and
that's
it.
So
any
questions
from
any
member
of
the
planning
board
on
this
proposed
parking
lot.
If
not,
is
there
a
motion?
I.
E
D
E
A
A
Okay,
we
will
open
a
public
hearing
at
this
time
at
5,
39
p.m.
For
the
final
review
of
the
caribou
management
company
parking
lot
development
at
skyway
plaza.
Is
anybody
here
looking
to
address
this
parking
lot?
Development
in
skyward,
plaza
speak
come
up
here.
J
Mr
chairman,
my
name
is
john
morrell,
I'm
the
owner
of
custom
car
washing
caribou.
I
am
a
budding
landowner
to
this
proposed
development
which
I'm
in
favor
of
I
realized
last
public
meeting
hearing.
You
guys
did
your
checklist,
which
I
I'm
assuming
you
did
or
is
this
the
meeting
where
you
do
it
at
now?
This.
J
Okay,
thank
you,
okay,
my
course.
My
biggest
proposal,
my
biggest
concern
is,
of
course,
the
storm
water
drainage
and
how
it's
being
addressed
or
how
it
affects
my
property.
J
My
goal
in
this
development,
or
what
I'd
like
to
see
in
this
development,
which
I'll
address
to
mr
royce
and
mr
rosenberg,
is
to
see
it
be
a
smooth
transition
between
the
two,
but
it
also
results
in
no
storm
warner
runoff
into
my
property,
which,
through
development,
I
guess
through
engineering,
but
I
cannot
address
that
strongly
enough.
I
realized
maybe
this
I
might
be
at
a
turn
in
addressing
this
here
at
this
point,
but
I
feel
that
something
that
should
be
governed.
I
realize
at
the
last
public
hearing.
J
D
A
Recollection
and
let
me
back
up
for
a
second
and
just
openly
declare
for
potential
perceived
conflict
of
interest
that
that
john
morrell
is
an
employee
of
mine
and
a
former
brother-in-law.
So
there
is
connections.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
if,
in
case
somebody
says,
wait
a
minute
here,
isn't
he
related?
He
was,
and
he
is
an
employee
of
mine.
But
I,
my
recollection,
is
that
the
plan
that
was
proposed
by
mr
royce
last
meeting
showed,
I
believe
at
least
two
catch
basins
which
were
going
to
capture
all
the
stormwater
runoff
before
it
got
to
john's
property.
K
Yes,
that's
correct,
mr
chairman,
for
the
record
tim
royce
with
br
smith,
associates
engineer
for
the
project.
There
is
a
significant
amount
of
pavement
there,
and
certainly
the
runoff
is
is,
is
there
and
john's
property
is,
is
downgrading
of
that?
We
do
propose
a
curb,
along
the
edge
of
the
new
development
to
capture
that
storm
water.
We've
got
a
small,
ditch
associated
with
that,
and
a
couple
of
catch
basins
that
show
up
in
the
plan
same
same
thing
as
before,
we're
going
to
intercept
that
flow.
K
Our
own
lot,
we've
developed
just
enough
to
put
the
building
on
in
the
associated
parking
with
it.
We
have
what's
called
an
underdrained
soil
filter,
same
thing.
We
had
shown
last
time
to
intercept
the
flow
on
our
lot
and
treat
it
there
before
it's
released.
So
we
we
certainly
have
heard
john's
comments
and-
and
we
have
not
strayed
from
that-
we've
continued
on
with
the
the
design
as
it
was
addressing
those
and
and
the
other
code
issues.
So
we're
comfortable
that
that
we've
addressed
that.
Thank
you.
D
I
have
a
question
for
you:
tim
we're,
seeing
a
plan
for
a
lot
with
drainage.
Our
can
we
anticipate
seeing
that's
a
different
one.
Can
we
anticipate
seeing
a
plan
for
a
building
soon
or.
K
To
get
ready,
yes,
b,
we're
doing
the
homework
to
get
ready
for
something
something
I
mean
in
that
something
else
is
you
know,
he's
going
to
have
to
market
that
that
lot
and
say
this
lot
is
now
approved.
We've
talked
about
utilities,
we've
talked
about
drainage,
and
so
he
can
mark
it
as
a
shovel
ready
lot.
Gotcha.
A
D
A
L
Just
one
question
are
those
would.
L
And
I
live
in
behind
the
mall.
I
just
wondered:
if
those
were
developments
for
multiple
units
or
do
you
have
any
plans
yet
for
the
land.
K
Those
lots
are
not
in
back
of
the
right
right
and
so
what's
being
proposed
in.
This
are
three
new
lots
along
on
along
the
van
buren
road,
which
will
come
up
in
in
the
another
item
on
the
agenda
under
the
subdivision.
So
this
one
right
now
is
just
specific
to
what
we
have
labeled
as
lot
number
four.
A
Thank
you
yeah.
Mr
rosenberg
has
three
items:
this
parking
area,
the
establishment
of
loss,
four
five
and
six
and
the
conversion
of
residential
to
commercial
property
on
solomon
street.
A
A
E
Do
have
a
question
when
I,
when
I
reviewed
the
plan,
skyway
drive
this
the
street
section
that
goes
from
bennett
drive
up
onto
skyway
plaza.
E
The
the
lots
being
created
this
this
parcel
in
question
now
with
slot
number
four.
As
far
as
street
frontage,
it
looks
like
the
street
actually
stops
at
the
start
of
the
property.
This
I
think
it's
called
skyway
drive.
E
So
as
as
it
is
now,
the
skyway
drive
from
bennett
drive
up
onto
skyward
plaza
merely
just
touches
the
corner
of
this.
This
lot,
I
believe
in.
E
K
That's
already
done,
you'll
see
that
on
the
subdivision
plan
we've
got
the
access
easement
coming
from
skyway
drive,
40
foot
wide
easement
going
along
lots,
four,
five
and
six,
and
it
turns
to
a
100
foot
ride
right
away
out
onto
the
van
buren
road
with
rights
for
utilities
as
well.
So,
yes
steve,
we
caught
that
and
that'll
be.
A
A
Just
well
I'll
interject
that
on
the
land
adjacent
to
where
I
built
my
home
on
washburn
street,
there
is
a
ten
foot
wide
right
of
way
that
was
put
in
by
reginald
wood
for
him
to
have
access
to
washburn
street
all
the
way
to
cairo's
stream.
So
nobody
could
stop
him
from
going
fishing.
E
A
A
A
I
K
And
that
would
what
would
be
important?
You
know
when
we
get
to
the
subdivision
discussion
I
mean
for
now.
Yes,
that
would
be
important
because
we
have
the
mylars
and
things
with
us
tonight.
So
that
certainly
is
important,
because
this
was
our
second
meeting
yeah.
A
Pause
for
a
moment,
while
steve
kind
of
you
don't
have
anything
here
to
to
check
on
that
no
well,
we
can
it's
a
good
question.
It'll
be
a
contingency
to
the
emotion
is
that
we.
A
Okay,
well,
so
then
do
we
want
to
remove
the
yes
on
side
access
for
now.
E
A
It
would
be
with
the
next
item,
not
this
item
potentially
so
then
moving
on
pedestrian
circulation.
A
Okay,
sanitary
sewage,
not
applicable
water
water,
as
in
a
supply
source,
not
not
as
opposed
not
pertaining
to
drainage.
Yes,
emerging
emergency
vehicle
access,
I
would
say,
is
a:
is
a
yes
waste
disposal,
there's
no
waste
being
generated
buffering,
I
would
say,
that's
a
yes.
There
seems
to
be
ample
space.
Natural
areas
not
applicable
exterior
lighting
at
this
point
in
time,
you're
just
creating
a
vacant
lot.
A
A
A
Not
applicable
advertising,
not
applicable
design
relationship
to
surrounding
properties.
It's
okay,
it's
a
yes
scenic
vista
as
an
area
is
not
applicable
utilities,
not
applicable
mineral
exploration,
not
applicable
general
requirements.
That's
a
yes
phosphorus
export,
notably
okay.
So
that's
the
situation
regarding
the
site
access.
A
We
can
kick
that
ball
down
to
the
next
item,
which.
A
A
For
purposes
of
this
one
we're
all
set
yeah,
I
think
so.
Okay,
so
is
there
a
motion?
I
move
we
program,
the
move.
A
Unless
someone
else
denise
started,
oh
then
go
ahead
and
michelle
michelle
excuse
me.
My
opponent
bill
michelle
denise,
michelle
denise.
Okay,
I've
been
moved
in
seconded
that
this
proposal
for
establishment
be
granted
any
further
discussion.
All
in
favor
motion
carries.
A
Final
review
of
a
subdivision
application
from
cable
management,
company
llc
for
the
redivision
of
a
subdivision
at
skyway
plaza,
and
this
is
where
they
are
establishing
lots.
Four:
five
and
six
adjacent
to
van
buren
road,
going
from
mr
morrill's
custom
car
wash
to
the
entrance
from
the
van
buren
road.
A
K
I
will
just
quickly,
mr
chairman.
The
lot
layout
has
remained
the
same,
the
size
and
shape
additional
notes
on
the
plan
like
we
had
shown
initially
the
access
easement.
We
also
added
a
couple
of
labels
for
utilities,
so
that's
ensured
that
it's
it's
part
of
that.
So
there
was
just
a
few
notes
that
we've
added,
but
otherwise
in
its
entirety.
It's
the
same
thing.
You
saw
same
layout
same
size,
just
some
additional
housekeeping
notes
as
well.
J
Curious
about
how
you're
going
to
feed
those
lost
utilities,
specifically
water
and
sewer,
if
you're
coming
off,
of
which
way
you're
going
to
go
with
that.
Just
curious
on
how
that
might
someday
impact
me.
K
The
water
is
available
in
skyway
drive
at
the
end
of
john's
property.
We've
also
looked
at
a
couple
of
different
options.
We
can
either
put
a
gravity
sewer
line
in
to
bennett
drive
or
we
can
go
with
a
pump
station
on
the
south
side
behind
the
dhhs
building,
where
the
sewer
line
comes
down
now
from
solomon
street.
So
a
couple
different
options.
We
discussed
both
of
those
with
the
utility
district,
both
the
water
and
sewer,
so
they're
available
they're
there
on
site.
So
we
can
go
either
of
two
ways.
J
Skyways
come
right
down
the
middle
of
the
street,
even
though
the
sewer
line
kind
of
crosses
through
my
property,
it
goes
through
burger
king
goes
out
the
other
way.
So
your
proposal
is
going
right
straight
down.
K
We
would
go
right
down
skyway
street,
that's
one
option.
John.
The
other
option
is
is
to
go
with
pump
station
and.
K
K
A
K
No,
that
would
be
no.
That
would
be
it's.
It's
a
like
a
large
sanitary
manhole
that
the
sewer
runs
into
you
see
and
and
it's
it's
a
larger
structure
than
that,
and
it
has
a
pump
in
it,
and
it's
just
you
know,
as
as
the
flow
rises
it
comes
on
and
it
pumps
and.
K
A
K
No,
for
that's
that's
their
john's
and
burger
king's
connection.
That
is
how
theirs
exists.
Today
we
would
look
not
to
get
into
that.
We
would
look
to
do
our
own
in
skyway
drive.
We
looked
at
a
couple,
different
options.
What
would
it
be
just
to
go
down,
skyway
drive
or
what
would
it
be
with
a
gravity
line,
or
what
would
it
be
to
do
a
pump
station
so.
K
J
Okay,
so
okay,
mike
so
if
you're
gonna
run
that
serialize
say
you
just
did
decide
to
go
to
tibetan
drive
you'd
be
cutting
across
using
what
the
city
easement
or
the
access.
That's
provided.
Public
access
to
get
down
through
there
you're
going
to
be
coming
across
how
you're
going
to
get
there
from
yeah.
K
We've
had
some
discussions
when
I
talked
with
the
utility
district
about
skyway
drive,
they
contacted
someone
within
the
municipality
and
they
said.
Oh,
that's
a
city,
that's
a
city
street.
We
don't
believe
it
is
it.
There
is
a
when
you
look
at
the
plans
and
the
subdivision
and
the
work
that
that
has
been
done
even
prior
to
us.
K
J
My
only
point
is
that
I'll
be
honest
with
you:
I'm
getting
ready
to
do
some
development
right
and
I'm
just
hoping
that
I
mean
I
can
go
ahead
and
do
my
lockers
apparently
there's
no
construction
date.
Yet,
if
you
guys
are
even
going
to
be
doing.
K
What
would
be
key
john
for
for
all
of
us
is
when
you
get
ready
to
do
that,
we
ought
to
talk
with
the
utility
district
and
say:
where
does
that
water
line
end
if
it
ends?
Oh,
I
know
where
it
is
okay,
I
mean
if
it's
beyond
you
and
we
can
tie
into
it
and
not
not
disrupt
your
new
paving.
That's
that's
key
and
I'm
99.9
sure
right
now
the
pump
station
is
going
to
be
where
it
is
so
so
we're
not.
K
L
Have
one
more
question:
the
pump
station
have
you
taken
into
a
factory
of
the
runway
from
the
hill,
the
area
behind
here,
where
the
houses
are
it's
pretty
wet
at
the
bottom
of
that
hill
and
a
little
swampy
in
some
areas.
So,
assuming
that
that's
been.
K
J
K
A
And
I'm
sure
mr
rosenberg
would
probably
transfer
it
for
a
dollar
to
avoid
the
maintenance
and
snow
plowing
of
that
I.
D
Paying
for
the
following
now
yeah,
if
I
would
just
interject,
we
have
no
objections
to
the
status
below
and
we're
not
planning
any
objections.
D
J
Chairman
as
a
budding
landowner,
sir,
I
would
think
that
if
the
day
ever
came
here.
J
Okay
and
that
property
was
conveyed
to
a
new
landowner,
then
all
of
a
sudden
access
to
my
property
is
blocked
off.
That's
all
so
I
could
have
a
tariff
to
or
a
toll
booth
to
get
into
my
property.
I
think
it's
very.
D
A
C
K
K
There,
then
there's
also
what's
called
a
declaration
of
easement
that
was
granted
for
people
to
that
were
going
to
be
in
the
plaza
that
was
their
right
to
come
in,
and
that
was
granted
before
the
van
buren
road
was
in
was
in
play
that
we
know
it
as
today,
so
those
that
that
was
the
how
you
got
into
the
to
that
building-
and
I
haven't
looked
specifically
at
john's
deed.
I'm
assuming
that
just
you.
A
M
F
K
E
A
E
A
E
C
K
Karen
was
just
mentioning
that
karen
from
our
office,
yes,
keep
playing
that
out
steve
the
the
your
lot
was
a
parcel
part
of
the
burger
king
lot
and
when
the
burger
king
lot
was
purchased,
it
came
with
that
easement
that
we're
talking
about
across
the
lot
so
across
that
skyway
drive
this
that
we're
talking
about
when
burger
king
got
their
lot,
so
they
obtained
the
lot
plus
they
had
the
right-of-way
or
the
easement.
K
K
A
H
J
A
Any
other
comments
from
the
public:
okay:
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
on
this
item
at
6,
00,
8
p.m
and
moving
to
the
checklist-
and
this
is
for
the
subdivision.
D
I
I
D
A
Okay,
final
plans
show
elements
for
review.
This
is
the
first
time
I
think
we
do
one
of
these
pollution
not
applicable,
or
is
it
not.
A
Sufficient
water,
I
would
think
that
is
in
the
form
of
potable
water,
in
other
words,
water.
D
D
A
A
Yes,
traffic
is
addressed
yes,
sewage
disposal.
We
just
talked
about
it.
The
pumping
house,
which
is
a
yes,
solid
waste.
It's
not
applicable.
A
A
Water,
okay,
so
that's
a
yes
ground
water,
not
emission,
not
not
applicable,
I
don't
think
so.
Yeah
flood
areas
not
applicable
freshwater,
wetlands,
no
river
stream
or
brook
no
storm
water.
Yes,
spaghetti
lots
prohibited,
not
applicable
lake
phosphorous.
Concentration,
not
applicable
impact
on
adjoining
municipalities,
not
applicable,
okay
blocks.
If.
D
A
A
Exactly
so,
I'm
going
to
say
it's
either
a
no.
M
A
Not
applicable,
I'm
gonna.
E
E
D
Be
shown
on
the
planet
will.
A
E
A
A
Street
trees,
esplanades
and
greens
open
green
space,
not
applicable
utilities,
yes
covered
water
supply.
Yes,
if
the
application
and
plan
is
found
to
be
complete
with
all
elements
of
review
satisfactory
to
the
planning
board,
the
applicant
should
provide
three
full-size
24
by
36
inch
subdivision
plans
appropriate
for
signatures
and
recording
at
the
registry
of
deeds.
D
A
A
Wait
a
minute
the
the
mylars
go
to
the
registry
of
deeds.
A
Yeah,
I
I'm
thinking
I'm
thinking
that
it
should
I'd
hate
to
see
a
mylar
end
up
at
the
holden
registry
of
deeds
with
a
40-foot
right-of-way
and
our
signatures,
I
mean,
even
though
the
motion
is
contingent
upon,
that
being
a
50
foot
right
away.
I
think
our
signature
should
be
on
the
one
with
the
50
foot
right
away.
It.
K
A
D
A
A
A
E
A
J
Chairman,
what
level
of
commercial
development
is
this?
Is
this
like
a
commercial
two
development,
or
just
a
straight
up
commercial
development
or
rezoning.
E
It
would
be
a
commercial
two
being
the
caribou.
Only
caribou
was
limited
to
two
commercial
zones
c1,
which
is
our
downtown
sweden
street
area.
Then
commercial
two
was
intended
for
more
easier
accessibility
to
commercial
spaces,
such
as
bennett
drive.
I
believe
your
property
and
skyway
plaza
is
primarily
a
c2
zone,
so.
J
A
My
understanding
is,
it
would
be
basically
this
well
okay
and
anybody.
Correct
me
from
wrong.
C1
downtown
is
where
properties
and
buildings
are
stuck
one
against
the
other.
Okay
c2,
you
have
side
yards,
you
have
distances,
you
can't
go
to
stay
at
least
six
feet
or
more
away
from
your
neighbor
etc.
So
c2
is
going
to
be
less
compressed.
Okay,.
J
J
J
E
J
No,
actually,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
it,
because
my
concern
is
okay.
Basically,
this
is
this
redevelopment
or
this
rezoning
is
basically
a
residential
neighborhood.
Okay,
I
don't
understand
why,
at
one
time,
the
city
council
actually
gave
change
it
from
commercial
back
to
residential
now
they're
going
back
to
commercial
and
do
the
the
neighborhood
which
I
live
in
okay,
trying
to
understand
what
kind
of
commercial
development
could
happen
there.
We
have
a
nice
quiet
neighborhood
now
you
know
low
profile
traffic
and
why
this
would
open.
J
A
A
And
pieces,
from
the
back
of
my
mind,
my
impression
is
that
the
entire
skyway
plaza
property,
when
purchased
by
his
grandfather
from
from
the
brush.
A
J
A
After
the
fact
they
came
forward
and
said,
solomon
street
area
is
residential
we'd
like
to
change
this
from
commercial
to
residential,
in
hopes
of
settling
some
residential
lots.
As
you
mentioned,
it's
wetland,
nobody
wants
to
build
there,
they've
been
unsuccessful,
they're
asking
to
put
it
back
to
commercial
as
it
originally
was.
K
K
A
D
E
A
L
L
L
E
Amount
in
a
limited
capacity,
so
in
a
in
a
commercial
two
zone,
if
a
new
building
is
constructed
with
commercial
space.
On
the
first
floor,
residential
space
is
allowed
on
the
second
floor.
If
it's
a
single
story,
building
the
front
portion
of
the
building
adjacent
to
the
street,
at
least
50
percent
of
that
floor
area,
50
or
more-
can
be
commercial
with
residential
to
the
rear.
Yes,
a
certain
types
of
activities
that
would
be
residential
in
nature
would
be
allowed.
Okay,.
E
D
L
It's
a
like,
I
said
very,
like
you
said,
john,
a
very
quiet
neighborhood,
mostly
residential,
all
residential,
with
a
few,
maybe
hair
salons
thrown
in
there
and
day
cares
we'd
like
to
keep
it
quiet.
It
has
low
traffic,
some
walking
by
elderly,
of
course,
up
and
from
the
elderly
housing
and
we're
hoping
that
it
it
maintains
its
the
use.
It
has
right
now,
but
I
guess
that's
the
ambiance,
as
john
said,
maintain
our
ambiance
and
and
I'd
invite
you
up
to
my
home
so
that
you
could
see
how
quiet
it
is
there.
L
I
D
L
A
F
When
it
was
when
it
was
originally
switched
from
commercial,
it
was
residential,
presumably.
H
A
Okay,
move
and
seconded
any
further
discussion
all
in
favor
welcome
carries.
I
will
sign.
A
All
right
next
item:
new
business,
preliminary
review
of
a
site,
design
application
from
neil
griffith
for
an
additional
retail
business
at
16
access
highway
tax
map
11
lot:
three:
is
that
one
of
the
items
that
has
been
provided
to
us
denise.
A
Now
this
is
steve,
so
this
is
a
site
design
application.
There
are
no
separate
lots
being
created.
No,
there
are
not
so.
Access
is
not
an
issue,
since
it's
all
one
private
property,
because
there's
no
creation
of
a
separate
lot.
Yes,.
E
Talked
about
that
tim.
E
K
A
K
For
your
record,
I
remain
tim
royce
with
vr
smith
associates
nothing's
changed
there.
No,
the
proposal
in
front
of
you
is
is
from
mr
griffith
to
construct
a
building
70
by
100
feet.
We've
identified
the
the
portion
of
it
that
will
be
retail
and
a
portion
of
it.
That
would
be
warehousing.
K
We
did
that,
so
we
could
look
into
the
code
and
see
the
number
of
parking
spaces
that
are
required
and
we
have
shown
the
appropriate
number
based
on
that
that
equation.
We
also
got
some
handicap
spaces
for
parking
sidewalks
around
it
and
overhead
door
for
truck
traffic
to
allow
product
to
be
delivered.
K
So
we've
we've
mapped
the
site.
We've
developed
the
existing
conditions
planned
to
show
where
the
contours
where
the
elevations
are
we've
got
the
the
foundation
design.
The
the
floor
plan
has
been
completed
and
the
site
design
is
complete.
As
you
have
in
front
of
you,
the
fire
marshal.
We
we've
sent
off
things
to
be
reviewed
through
through
the
fire
marshal
as
well
for
for
the
building,
so
it
will
a
join
or
it
would
be
part
of
land
that
mr
griffith
currently
owns.
K
Access
will
be
across
his
private
drive
out
to
the
island
where
you
get
onto
the
van
buren
road.
Actually,
the
the
island
that
that
you
turn
in
and
out
of
on
the
van
buren
road
is
is
currently
or
I
say,
currently
is
owned
by
the
city.
So
the
the
van
buren
road
has
a
right
of
way,
but
there's
a
little
block
of
land
where
that
island
sets
and
that's
purposely
in
there
that
lines
up
with
the
the
access
across
the
street
to
the
skyway
plaza.
E
A
A
A
Yeah
one
inch
equals
40
feet.
I
don't
know
if
we
have.
E
Process:
okay,
we
did
notify
the
butters
or
property
owners
within
500.
A
500
feet
it's
just
going
to
be
to
the
north.
Whoever
towards
limestone
I
mean,
I
don't
know,
I
guess
you
just
have
to
show
the
property
owners
that
are
around
the
property.
There
won't
be
more
than
one
or
two
or
three.
So
that's
not
there.
B
A
A
E
I
don't
seem
to
have
it
in
the
folder,
but
actually
they
have
identified
the
it's.
The
richard
solman
trustee
of
the
corey
g
solomon,
family,
trust
to
the
north
due
north
and
then
off
to
the
north
west
of
the
city
of
caribou,
is
also
on
a
butter
and
then
the
van
buren
roads
to
the
west
and.
E
K
He
was,
he
wasn't
attacked
as
part
of
the
the
application
emailed
him.
C
A
D
A
A
I
A
K
A
E
That
would
be
if,
if
necessary,
there
are
times
that
a
project
may
require
the
water
to
be
collected
and
then
to
be
redistributed
in
other
areas
of
the
law
to
be
sheeted
like
a
pond,
possibly
yeah
retention
problem.
K
E
Phil,
yes,
tim,
it
shows
on
the
out
at
the
curb
cut.
It
shows
the
symbol
for
a
sign.
Is
that
a
new
sign?
Would
that
be
an
existing.
A
Okay,
we
good
with
m
yeah,
provided
yep,
okay
and
proposed
signage
exterior
lighting.
You
will
have
exterior
lighting.
A
E
A
A
A
A
Preliminary
preliminary
review
of
a
site,
design
application
from
united
veterans
of
maine
for
a
supportive
living
site
for
military
veterans
with
agricultural
training
at
358,
washburn
street
map,
seven
lot
45
j
and
we
will
open
a
public
hearing
on
this
matter
at
6
43
and
we
have
a
representative
of
the
project
at
the
podium.
Please
identify
yourself.
O
The
more
excuse
me,
let
me
back
up
we're
actually
signing
the
final
documents
on
the
15th
of
june
for
the
property
north
state
is
currently
has
already
finished
up.
The
registry
of
deeds
and
the
paperwork
is
ready
for
to
be
picked
up
and
taken
care
of
on
the
15th
and
what
we
have
in
front
of
you.
I
believe
you
guys
all
have
copies.
E
Yeah,
if
you
look
on
the
on
the
large
sheet
copy
of
the
tax
map
with
the
where
it
shows
the
cul-de-sac
and
the
roadway
that
goes
behind
the
windmill,
as
the
cul-de-sac
shows,
where
there
are
four
structures
to
be
located,
those
structures
will
measure
each
of
them
24
by
24,
with
a
common
wall
dividing
two
living
quarters
that
each
have
a
private
bathroom
and
then
just
off
to
the
side
of
the
four
location
of
the
four
cabins.
You'll
see
two
rectangles
where
the
leech
fields
will
be
located.
O
The
right
now
we're
hoping
that
we
don't
end
up
with
more
than
eight
if
we
do
have
to
we're
going
to
look
into
finishing
off
on
around
the
north
to
the
northeast
of
the
cul-de-sac,
and
we
have
basically
northeast
of
where
those
four
would
come
in
on
that
cul-de-sac.
A
Where's,
your
drinking
water
gonna
come
from
where's
the
well.
A
O
Definitely
yeah
field
is
actually
on.
Both
ends
is
lower
in
elevation
than
where
we're
going
to
be
putting
our
wells.
That
spot
specifically
is
a
higher
spot
on
the
property,
and
that's
why
the
leech
fields
are
both
could
be
or
all
of
four.
If
we
end
up
with
them,
could
actually
be
on
a
lower
end.
There's
a
natural
drain
that
comes
back.
O
If
you
go
to
where
it
says
on
the
washroom
road,
and
then
you
have
the
223.3
and
it
connects
to
the
road
yep,
there's
a
drain,
a
natural
drain
that
we're
going
to
be
re,
we're
going
to
be
improving
that
comes
down
along
the
back
side
of
where
the
cabins
are
now.
So
what
we're
doing
is
we're
we're
going
to
be
just
cleaning
that
up
so
that
we
have
a
water
control
right
there
when.
A
O
A
A
E
Are
totally
in
compliance
with
the
main
uniform
building
and
energy
conservation
codes
you're
going
to
heat
these.
O
Actually
we're
in
debates
right
now,
if
we're
going
to
go
with
electric
versus
the
heat
pumps,
it's
not
going
to
take
a
whole
lot
to
heat
that
one
room.
I.
O
Cost
is
going
to
be
the
initial
factor
I
can
get
a.
I
can
get
a
heater,
a
baseboard
heater,
a
lot
cheaper
than
I
can
get
a
heat
pump.
So
we
really
have
to
you
know,
sit
down
and
look
at
initially
what
our
costs
are.
Gonna
be
when
we
build
these.
E
D
O
E
Oh,
I
would
this
is
the
project
that
was
from
has
been
promoted.
We
did
a
tele
telethon.
O
And
we've
had
a
number
of
organizations
donate
materials
to
this
project:
s
w
collins,
aristic
trusses,
let's
see
pleasant,
river
huber,
lumber,
liquidators,
katan,
forest
arustic,
foam,
insulators,
sd,
wells,
pella,
bella
windows
and
a
couple
different
individuals
are
donating
for
labor
as
well
as
job
corps
is
continuing
to
assist
us
in
our
project.
O
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
support
behind
us.
We
have
members
here,
obviously
from
our
membership,
who
truly
believe
in
in
what
we're
doing
and
we'd
like
again
like
I've
mentioned
in
the
first
few
times
that
we've
met.
You
know
we'd
like
to
have
caribou's
backing
on
this,
so.
A
Anybody
else
gold,
public
hearing
at
6,
53.,
okay,
we
have
a
checklist
of
items
that
we
are
to
look
at
to
see
if
they
are
included
with
the
application
and
steve
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
chime
in
in
the
event
that
some
of
these
things
that
may
not
be
in
front
of
us
that
are
in
your
file,
name,
address
and
owner
of
record
and
applicant.
If
different.
A
N
H
That
does
the
it's
in
the
application
silver.
Oh.
A
Okay:
okay,
complete
set
of
plans
24
by
36.
I
see
them
right
there
plans,
including.
A
Plans
to
be
included,
boundary
survey,
stone
water
erosion
and
sediment
finish:
grading
side,
improvement,
building,
elevations
and
structural
plans.
You've
addressed
most
of
these
things,
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
in
that
level
of
detail.
E
They're
they're
not
being
that
there's
the
existing
washburn
road,
the
topography
along
the
rock
washburn
road
takes
care
of
all
of
the
storm
water
drainage
as
a
substantial,
ditch,
there's
no
evidence
of
a
collection
of
spring
spring
melting
that
occurs
in
the
field.
E
This
there's
not
site
water
issues.
Now,
okay,
the.
E
E
A
E
So
there'll
be
a
road
that
comes
in
between
the
pull
pull
burn,
structure
and
the
with
the
office
area
that
used
to
be
phil's
flora
shop,
the
retail
store.
So
it's
all
developed,
gravel
in
front
of
the
existing.
I
think
three
or
four
greenhouses
that
are
remaining
we're.
Gonna
have
a
road
that
goes
behind
the
windmill
to
the
cabins
with
a
cul-de-sac,
so
plenty
of
easy
access
for
emergency
vehicles
or
deliveries
or
whatever
between.
E
A
Room
the
the
cul-de-sac
toronto
member
of
the
street,
have
you
spoken
to
the
fire
chief
as
far
as
any
minimum
size
for
his
largest
fire
truck
to
make
the
turn.
E
A
Because
I'm
trying
to
remember
there's
a
development
as
you
leave
caribou
actually
take
a
left.
I
think
it's
on
the
alpha
powers,
road,
spruce,
spruce,
something
spruce
ridge.
I
believe
the
original
plan
for
that
the
cul-de-sac
at
the
top
of
that
had
to
be
expanded
after
it
was
initially
proposed,
because
because
it
was
too
tight
a
circle
for
the
fire
truck
to
go
around
this.
E
A
Have
access
to
everything?
Okay,
so
access
for
emergency
vehicles,
driveways
parking,
space,
location
and
names
of
streets
is
not
going
to
be
these
streets.
Is
there
it's
washburn
yeah
washington
street
rolls
finish
grades
graphic
arrows,
indicating
direction
of
storm
water.
It's
going
to
follow
whatever
the
natural.
A
E
A
Up
yeah,
quite
a
bit
of
woods
there,
location
of
outdoor
storage
areas,
fence,
signage,
you're,
utilizing
the
existing.
A
E
A
A
M
There
I
appreciate
that
you're
going
to
listen
to
my
to
my
pleading.
I
have
been
wanting
to
do
this
for
about
20
years.
Unfortunately,
I've
never
had
the
opportunity
to
do
so,
because
training
is
not
local.
M
M
Three
of
those
children
have
now
grown
and
are
on
their
own.
I
have
a
14
year
old
at
home
who's
entering
high
school
in
the
fall.
The
timing
is
right.
A
business
opportunity
has
has
come
up.
Business
has
been
in
place
in
presque
isle
for
17
years.
M
So
this
is
something
that
you
know.
I
didn't
just
wake
up
one
day
and
decide.
I
felt
like
doing.
This
is
something
that
I've
wanted
to
to
do.
For
a
long
long
time
I
have
four
dogs
of
my
own
right
now.
I
know
within
the
city
of
caribou
there
are
just
shy
of
1200
dogs
licensed
within
the
city,
and
I
have
confirmed
that
with
with
jane
faron.
M
M
This
business
will
relocate
to
caribou,
none
of
them
seeming
to
have
an
issue
with
that
right
now,
from
what
I'm
understanding
from
the
current
owner,
approximately
50
percent
of
her
business
is
from
outside
of
presque
isle
25
percent
from
caribou,
so
the
other
25
percent
is
coming
from
washburn
fort
fairfield,
limestone
van
buren
connor
woodland,
a
lot
of
local
areas.
You
know
low,
I
guess
local
to
caribou
I've.
You
know
I
was
born
and
raised
in
caribou,
I
believe
in
supporting
my
community.
M
I've
never
had
to
do
anything
like
this
before
so
I'm
extremely
nervous.
So
bear
with
me.
So
you
know
I'm
not
sure
I
do
know
the
zoning
laws.
So
if
I
had
known
that
chocolate
chip
cookies
would
help,
I
would
have
baked
you
a
batch.
I
know
that
the
current
the
current
ordinance
does
say
if
you
hadn't
brought
it
up,
I
wouldn't
have
brought
it
up,
but
I'm
glad
you
did.
I
know
that
the
the
current
ordinance
does
say
you
know
to
have
a
business
in
an
r1
zone.
M
You
have
to
reside
on
that
property
and
I
respect
that.
We
have
hairdressers.
We
have
you
know
daycare.
We
have,
I
believe,
there's
a
local
florist
who
you
all
probably
know
on
garden
circle.
There
are,
you
know,
hairdressers
on
rose
street
lots
of
different
people
within
the
city
that
are
in
our
one
zones.
Currently
that
are
are
allowed
to
operate
a
business,
I'm
looking
at
a
business
that
would
generate
maybe
six
to
seven
cars
a
day.
M
No
more
than
that,
this
is
an
appointment
only
business.
I
will
not
have
any
retail
no
boarding
anything
like
that,
but
I
will
be
on
the
property,
probably
eight
to
ten
hours
a
day
five
to
six
days
a
week,
that's
pretty
much
living
there.
In
my
opinion,
it
is
a
two-story
building,
a
two
bedroom
apartment
downstairs,
two
bedroom
apartment,
upstairs
the
property
was
willed
to
me,
and
I
did
not
know
it
was
going
to
be
well
to
me
when
my
aunt
passed
away.
It
was
quite
a
surprise,
so
I've
maintained
the
property.
M
The
taxes
probate
just
finished
up
in
may,
because
it
had
to
go
through
probate.
I
guess
because
of
state
regulations
with
regard
to
next
of
kin,
my
uncle
did
not
have
children
of
their
own,
so
it
had
to
move
through
probate,
even
though
there
was
a
will-
and
I
was
pers
named
personal
representative
in
seoul-
heir-
I'm
not
really
sure
what
else
I
can
tell
you
other
than
like.
I
said
I
really
you
know
this
is
something
I've
wanted
for
a
very
long
time.
It's
not
going
to
impact
local
neighbors.
M
M
M
He
was
not
thrilled
at
the
prospect
of
me
renting
because
he
has
seen
the
worst
of
of
rentals.
You
know
he
would
go
in
and
have
to
clean
them
up
and-
and
you
know,
do
the
maintenance
do
the
painting
do
the
the
cleaning?
It
was
not
an
enjoyable
experience
for
him.
M
So
when
this
came
into
our
possession-
and
I
said
to
him-
you
know
I
want
to
keep
this-
it's
been
in
the
family
for
many
many
years
and
I
I
would
like
to
to
attempt
to
rent
his
his
comments
were
not
all
that
supportive
of
that.
But
of
course,
in
the
end
he
did
go
with
me
on
this
and
said
you
know
I'll
support
you,
but
I
don't
recommend
starting
out
with
a
year
lease
start
with
a
six-month
lease
test,
the
waters
he
knew
what
he
was
talking
about.
M
You
know,
income
background
checks,
everything
you
can
think
of
reference
checks,
previous
landlord
references,
everything
I
was
pretty
thorough
and
unfortunately,
after
the
six
months
were
over
and
those
both
tenants
from
both
apartments
vacated,
there
was
substantial
damage
to
each
each
apartment
unit.
I
included
utilities
because
the
current
the
way
the
the
building
is
set
up,
there's
only
one
meter
and
there's
one
furnace
and
one
water
heater.
So
I
did
rent,
including
all
utilities,
so
people
upstairs
had
their
windows
open,
half
the
time
all
winter.
That
was
not
a
you
know.
M
It
was
in
the
lease
I
did
specify
in
the
lease
a
lot
of
stipulations
that
I
expected
and
that
just
didn't
it
just
didn't
fly
so
when
they
did
leave
and-
and
we
noticed
that
all
of
the
damage
it
was
at
that
point
in
time.
I
said:
no,
I'm
not
doing
this
again,
so
the
property
is
now
vacant.
It
has
been
since
april.
M
It's
it's.
You
know
it's
a
good,
solid
building,
it's
it's,
not
a
it's,
not
a
building.
That
is,
I
consider
in
any
way
dilapidated.
There
are
two
buildings
next
to
my
property
that
have
been,
I
believe,
they've
been
vacant
for
several
years
and
they
are
in
dire
need
of
repair
or
tear
down.
A
I
I
personally
would
like
to
see
you
succeed
and
I'm
thinking
that
the
only
issue
that
we're
having
steve
this
is
an
r1.
E
It
looks
like
the
on
the
the
south
side
of
robert
street,
the
first
two
first,
two
parcels
of
land
or
the
first
parcel
is
in
the
r2
zone
and
then,
as
soon
as
you
go
beyond
the
first
house
on
the
left
of
the
start
of
robert
street,
it
goes
into
the
r1
and
I
think
miami's
property
is
the
property.
Where
there's
you
go
down
the
hill
a
little
bit
in
the
street
that
goes
left
and
right
right.
There.
M
Yes,
it's
it's
just
a
bit
before
that.
M
It's
before
it's,
I
know
where
you're
talking
about
it's
before
that
it's
actually
right
at
the
bottom
of
well,
almost
right
at
the
bottom
of
the
it's
directly
across
from
the
public
housing.
Okay,.
M
E
E
A
A
E
The
word,
the
predominant
word
is
the
word.
No,
I
mean
it
just
goes.
The
there's
got
to
be
all
I
mean
all
these
20
no's
in
a
row.
E
The
zoning
board
of
appeals
can't
cannot
grant
an
appeal
being
that
this
is
not.
That
would
not
meet
the
criterion
for
undue
hardship.
Okay,
being
that
there
are
four
elements
for
for
undue
hardship,
so
the
the
building
is
previous
is
already
residing
in
the
r1
zone.
It's
not
something
that
happened
that
would
cause
you
know
for
tammy
to
be
able
to
use
the
undo
hardship
part
of
it.
Let.
D
M
I
M
Can't
I
can
tell
you
that
I
want
to
say
maybe
less
than
20
years
ago,
maybe
about
20
years
ago
there
was
a
dog
grooming
business
in
an
r1
zone
on
sweden
street.
Now
I
don't
know,
if
any
of
you
remember
that,
and
I
can't
claws
and
claws
and
paws
claws
and
paws
and
she
she
did,
but
she
did
reside
on
the
property,
but
she
wasn't
in
our
one
zone
and
then
there
was
another
dog
grooming
business
and
I
I
don't
know
the
address
k
nedo.
It
was
off
sweden,
street
kinley
street.
M
She
has
a
dog
grooming
business
for
30
years
again,
our
one
zone.
So
you
know
we
have
all
of
this
business
right
now
in
presque
isle,
these
people
drop
off
an
animal
hang
out
for
two
hours:
they're
gonna
utilize,
eateries,
they're
gonna,
exactly
let's
stop
letting
that
business
go
to
presque
isle,
let's,
let's
bring
it
in
they're,
going
to
go
to
sw
columns,
sleepers
they're
going
to
go
everywhere
in
cairo.
I.
A
M
M
I've
had
an
offer
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
I
cannot
give
it
away.
This
is
a
very
solid
property.
We
redo
we've
redone,
the
entire
inside
of
the
upstairs.
The
majority
of
the
downstairs
we've
done
all
new
plumbing
electrical.
This
was
before
I
rented,
and
the
only
thing
left
for
me
to
be
doing
is
two
more
windows
in
this
building
and
the
exterior
siding.
That's
it
so
I'm
not
going
to
give
the
property
away.
A
E
A
E
D
P
There
are
covenants
in
people's
deeds
that
they
can't
have
a
home
business
or
anything
like
that
too.
So
all
it
takes
is
somebody
that
lives
next
door
to
take
that
to
court,
and
then
that
would
nullify
that,
and
that
would
come
back
here
also.
So
it's
not
just
a
matter
of.
I
just
want
to
say
what
say
what
I'm
saying.
P
So
you
understand
that
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
sitting
there
sending
us
a
note
and
saying
change
the
zone
because,
okay,
you
have
to
look
at
the
whole
concept
of
it
all
right
and
it's
a
business
and
businesses
are
set
up
in
the
business
business
districts.
So
I
just
want
you
to
know
that,
so
it's
not
a
matter
of
trying
to
circumvent.
What's
out
there
already
it's
a
matter
of
doing
it
with
the
whole
thought
process
in
it
right
and
the
impact
that
you're
having
community-wide.
G
G
My
thoughts
on
it
are
not
approaching
it
like
it's
necessarily
the
same
kind
of
a
business
as
something
else,
I'm
approaching
it
more
along
the
lines
of
the
same
thing
as
a
daycare.
If
someone
living
on
my
street
can
go
and
have
25
kids
running
screaming
in
the
yard,
then
you
can
have
my
dog
washed.
A
Let
me
ask
a
question
of
of
the
two
of
you:
the
seller
and
the
buyer.
Would
you
happen
to
know
approximately
what
percentage
of
households
in
this
area
have
a
pet
I
mean?
Is
it
over
fifty
percent?
Oh.
I
A
Think
80
of
the
households
and
this
town
would
say
yes
of
course,
and
so
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
much
resistance.
It's
not
like
we're
asking
to
put
up
gas
stations
next
to
everybody's
house.
A
You
know,
and
I
think
that
the
fact
that
pets
is
part
of
human
society.
I
think
that
that
we
would
stand
a
chance
to
get.
I
mean
our
best
shot
is
to
change
the
no
to
a
planning
board
as
far
as
changing
a
whole
bunch
of
other
no's.
A
A
A
E
I
think
we
have
our
two,
I
think
only
along
south
main
street,
so
on
the
actually
on
the
right
side
of
robert
street,
I
want
to
say,
is
the
first
property
of
the
church.
Yes,
yes,
which
would
be
in
a
commercial.
E
M
I
Q
G
E
A
Now
we
have
a
number
of
zoning
changes
that
we've
already
sent
to
the
city
council.
A
I'm
afraid
that
that
the,
if
we
include
this
and
our
zoning
changes,
it's
gonna
get
bogged
down,
it's
gonna
get
bogged
down
with
you
know,
I'm.
M
M
M
That
is,
that
is
my
hope.
I
mean
I've
contemplated
remaining
in
presque
isle,
but
I
live
in
caribou
yeah.
That's
my
my
plan
is
to
well.
A
We
might
get
our
zoning
changes
through
the
city
council
by
october,
so
we
just
want
to
add
this
r1
to
r2
to
our
list
of
zoning
changes
that
we're
bringing
to
the
city
council
to
determine.
E
That
well
robert
street,
and
you
might
want
to
look
at
the
neighborhood,
syncock
and
york
street,
also
have
multiple
rental
properties,
apartment.
E
E
Actually,
robert
street
myrtle
street
all
around
what's
called
caribou
street,
which
goes
back
to
the
picnic
area
and
then
sincarc
street
and
york
street
both
have
multiple.
E
A
Let's
so,
let's,
let's
add
it,
let's
start
changing
it
to
an
r2
we're
going
to
do.
A
D
I
A
P
A
Okay,
so
it
might
take
I'm
hoping
within
a
couple
of
months:
okay,
if
you're
not
acquiring
the
business
until
october,
then
I'm
hoping
it'll
be.
If
it's
not
right,
we
have
a
chance
yeah,
it
might
be
done
by
then,
and
if
not
it
shouldn't
be
too
long
after
okay.
A
Want
to
pay
attention
to
the
public
notices
of
the
city
council
meetings
right
and
what's
on
their
agenda.
Okay,.
A
And
there
should
be
something
showing
up
within
a
couple
of
meetings
about
changing
zoning
within
the
city
of
cairo.
D
While
we're
on
the
subject
of
zoning,
I
have
a
draft
of
a
letter
from
us
to
the
planning
board
regarding
the
board.
Excuse
me
from
us
to
the
city
council,
which
I
need
you
guys
to
approve
for
me
aside
and
send
off.
This
has
to
do
with
changing
the
this
is
running
a
long
access
highway.
A
A
Okay,
well,
the
planning
board
has
held
both
a
preliminary
and
final
public
hearing
to
consider
recommending
an
amendment
to
the
caribou
zoning
map
to
delete
the
rc2
zone
on
access
highway
from
otter
street
to
the
madawaska
river.
This
change
would
absorb
this
section
of
access
highway
into
the
r3
zone
as
presently
listed
in
the
land
use
table.
Neither
single
wide
or
double
wide
mobile
homes
are
allowed
to
be
placed
within
300
feet,
either
side
of
the
highway.
The
cable
planning
board
is
voted
unanimously
in
favor
of
this
change
to
the
zoning
map.
A
N
A
G
G
D
A
A
I
read
the
the
main
revised
statues
on
the
graveyards
and
etc
and
had
a
conversation
with
steve
and
basically,
when
we
approved
this,
we
did
not
do
it
properly,
because
in
this
main
statute,
a
permit
may
not
be
granted
for
an
automobile
graveyard,
junkyard
or
automotive
recycling
business
within
300
feet
of
a
well
that
serves
a
public
or
private
water
supply,
and
I
think
steve
asked
kip
where
the
wealth
of
the
neighbor
was,
and
he
didn't
have
a
clue
and
and
steve
believes
it
is
within
300
feet,
and
so
we
should
not
have
granted
that
without
further
investigation,
and
so
we
discussed
the
possibility
of
overturning
our
prior
motion
by
having
the
people
who
moved
and
seconded
to
withdrawal.
A
A
Q
G
Q
E
D
Q
Q
Unfortunately,
there's
a
lot
of
the
ordinances
that
we
have
and
also
the
permitting
we
have
has
not
been
updated.
Since
1980.,
there
has
been
substantial
work
to
those
state
statutes
in
93
and
again
in
2003,
so
where
a
local
ordinance
doesn't
hasn't
kept
up
with
that.
Q
The
way
the
statute
is
written,
someone
who
wants
to
have
an
automobile
recycling
business
needs
to
have
a
permit
from
the
municipal
officers
following
a
hearing,
and
there
is
nothing
in
our
permitting
to
allow
for
that.
That
needs
to
be
updated,
but
in
the
meantime
we
do
have
folks
that
operate
automobile
recycling,
businesses
that
come
in
for
a
renewal,
and
we
had
one
actually
this
past
week
that
came
in
for
renewal
and
I
wouldn't
sign
it.
Q
And
of
course
I
hear
that
we're
not
business
friendly
and
that
that's
what
people
say
when
they
don't
get
their
way.
Is
that
we're
not
business
friendly?
They
don't
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
are
trying
to
do
things
the
right
way
and
we
are
not
trying
to
work
against
them.
They're
trump
we're
trying
to
work
with
them,
but
we
need
to
do
things
properly
because,
when
we're
not
doing
things
properly,
the
ones
who
are
doing
things
correctly
are
put
at
a
competitive
disadvantage
to
people
who
are
not
doing
things
properly.
Q
So
the
only
way
to
level
that
playing
field
is
to
make
sure
everyone
is
doing
things
properly,
and
that
starts
here
in
this
office,
having
the
ordinance
being
proper
and
following
the
state
statute
and
having
a
permitting
process
that
follows
the
state
law.
So
that's
all
that
is,
and
I'm
not
going
to
keep
you.
Q
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know-
and
I
wanted
it
sounds
like
you've
read
the
statutes,
but
I
have
at
the
bottom
of
the
second
page,
different
resources
and
to
look
at
if
anyone
wants
any
copies
of
those
email
me
and
I
can
email
them
back
to
you,
I
have
all
of
them.
I
have
all
of
them
on
my
desk
right
now,
because
this
has
been
a
little
bit
of
an
obsession
because
of
the
kip
griffin
project.
Q
When
he's
come
in,
I
have
copied
for
him.
I
think
four
times
the
state
statute.
I
have
highlighted
for
him
the
things
he
needs
to
have,
including
a
plan
for
any
hazardous
materials
at
the
business
mercury
switches,
any
fluids
that
are
generated.
I
have
even
gone
so
far
as
to
contact
the
dep
and
they
have
been
working
on
a
model
junkyard
operations
plan
which
they
have
emailed
to
me,
but
he
just
won't
do
it
the
wells.
I've
said
you
need
to
tell
me
where
the
wells
are
for
the
your
neighbor's
properties.
Q
A
A
E
Is
if,
if
you
were
to
have
adopted,
robert's
rule
of
order
and
a
board
brings
something
to
the
table
and
it's
then
passed
if
the
board
finds
that
that
may
have
been
passed
in
error
and
I
believe,
as
per
robert's
rule
of
order,
the
person
that
made
the
motion
initially
would
would
bring
it
back
to
the
table.
E
B
My
aggravation
in
all
of
this
is
when
we
had
the
public
hearing
last
month:
phil
had
open
public
hearing
and
when
we
started
checking
through
all
of
these,
neither
one
of
you
had
stopped
us
troop
you.
Let
us
proceed
through
this
checklist
and
we
all
voted
on
it.
So
I
mean
at
that
point
I
would
have
thought
that
and.
E
E
I
think
I
think
much
of
this
is
just
how
the
board
had
had
been
allowed
or
had
been
coached
over
the
last
few
years.
Possibly,
but
this
is
many
times
the
board
should
be
its
own
entity
without
external
input,
for
much
of
what
the
board
does
so.
My
capacity
with
the
city
also
having
worked
in
code
enforcement,
a
code
enforcement
officer
who
works
with
the
board
should
never
advise
the
board
being
that
it
possibly
could
be
a
conflict
of
interest.
E
B
Q
G
Hope
I
can
now
that
we
know
that
this
well
now
that
I
know
personally
that
the
state
problems
are
my
problems,
then
you
know
more
due
diligence
will
be
played
on
it,
though
as
well.
I
mean
because
the
hardest
thing
I
think
about
being
on
this
board,
is
that
you
get
your
packet
and
you're
not
allowed
to
say
a
thing
until
you
get
that
meeting.
So
that
makes
it
really
really
hard
to
know.
You
know,
like
you
might
have
questions
when
you
when
you
read
it,
but
you
can't
have
discussions,
because
that's
amazing.
I
P
So
I
will
say
that
that's
a
difficult
position
to
be
in
anything
like
what
you're
doing
and
counsel
or
whatever.
Personally,
when
I
get
my
packet,
I
go
through
it
one
by
one
by
one.
I
look
at
what
may
be
in
the
chat
if
I
have
to
be
I'll,
go
to
the
code,
look
and
see
what's
in
the
code
and
then
I'll
look
at
this
and
then
I'll
look
at
this
and
then
I'll
go
to
the
state
statutes
and
I
look
up
what
may
impacted
as
far
as
the
state
statutes
aren't.
P
Yeah
but
I've
been
doing
this
a
hell
of
a
lot
longer
than
I've
been
retired
and
that's
the
way
I
do
business
okay.
Unfortunately,
we
live
by
rules,
regulatory
guidance
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
The
other
unfortunate
thing
is,
we
all
make
mistakes
and
it's
easy
to
step
up
and
say
we
made
a
mistake
and
unfortunately,
we're
gonna
have
to
withdraw
what
we
did
until
we
can
correct
it.
P
The
other
thing
to
look
at
is
is
that
the
person
that
comes
there
and
stands
in
front
of
you
is
not
to
rely
on
you
to
tell
him
what
he
has
to
do.
He
should
be
prepared
when
he
comes
before
you
so
in
this
particular
individual's
case,
because
I
was
here
for
a
good
part
of
it.
He
came
in
originally
and
he
wanted
to
open
a
used
car
business
and
he
was
all
right
with
the
used
car
business
and
then
he
changed
his
mind
and
the
next
thing
we
hear.
P
P
A
A
And
the
same
with
steve,
I
think
we
you
know
got
that
through
to
steve,
but
and
that's
partly
because
you
know
under
the
previous
staff
people
that
we've
had
here,
they've
held
us
by
the
hand
you
know
and
they've
you
know
and
we've
just
been
the
rubber
stamp.
Well,
I
said
the
rubber
stamp.
We
we've,
you
know
passed
things,
but
there
was
a
full
explanation
with
everything
you
know.
We
got
the
background.
We
got
the
history,
we've
got
the
concerns,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
We
tossed
them
around.
D
A
A
D
A
I've
told
you
before
that.
I
applaud
your
willingness
to
assist
that
you're
in
the
you're
at
the
peak
of
your
knowledge
acquired
over
the
last
40
years,
and
you
just
can't
sit.
N
E
Oh
matt,
the
plane
planning
board
does
not
have
the
authority
for
the
music
for
the
municipality
to
issue
a
license.
Okay
and
he
never.
E
B
F
E
To
issue
the
license
as
they
do
with
auto
graveyards,
so
all
we
did.
E
E
So
in
the
past,
where
the
code
enforcement
officer
would
sign
off
on
the
paperwork
for
the
state
for
his
license
now,
penny
is
in
a
position
that,
as
the
code
enforcement
officer,
knowing
that
he
does
not
meet
the
review
criterion
mandated
by
the
state
that
it
puts
penny
in
a
tough
spot
that
she
really
can't
issue
or
just
or
to
sign
his
paperwork.
E
Knowing
that
the
site
does
not
meet
the
requirements.
The
neighborhood
for
location
of.
I
B
F
Is
it's
just
wait,
so
we
did
a
public
hearing
where
he
could
present
evidence
to
establish
the
different
facts
that
were
necessary
to
gaining
the
approval
and
eventually
the
permit
and
we
held
the
hearing
and
then
we
found
those
facts.
Even
if
we
didn't
know
what
we
were
doing,
I
guess
we
made
factual
findings
about
the
circumstances
of
his
property.
I
D
G
A
A
H
Q
What
am
I
going
to
do?
Steve
and
steve
says?
Why
don't
you
write
to
mma
legal?
So
that's
what
I
did
I
came
in
early
that
morning.
I
think
it
was
a
friday
morning
and
I
I
sent
them
off
an
email
and
much
to
my
surprise.
They
well
so
he
came
in.
Q
Of
course
it
was
actually
maybe
8
11,
and
I
was
surprised
actually
that
it
was
that
late
and
he
wanted
me
to
sign
his
paperwork,
and
I
said
I'm
not
signing
your
paperwork,
and
course
he
was
not
happy,
and
I
said
I
have
sought
the
opinion
of
mma
legal
about
signing
this
paperwork
because
I
don't
feel
you've
met
the
requirements
you
have
not.
I
have
requested
information
from
you
that
you
have
not
provided
to
complete
your
application.
Number
one
number
one.
That's
number
one
and
number
two
by
my
reading.
Q
So
he
left
he
was
mad.
Caribou,
isn't
business
friendly?
I
should
just
get
a
sign
that
says
that,
and
they
could
read
it
as
they're
screaming
at
me,
because
at
least
three
days
a
week
denise
can
attest
she's
across
the
hall.
People
are
mad,
people
are
saying
we're,
not
business
friendly.
Much
to
my
surprise,
mma
legal
actually
called
me
back
around
10
o'clock
that
morning
and
said
that
it
can
be
revisited.
Q
F
P
I
don't
know
we're
taking
it
just
a
little
bit
too
far.
Okay,
as
a
result
of
that,
okay,
based
on
maybe
not
having
all
the
pertinent
information
you,
you
made,
you
made
a
emotion
and
and
approved
a
motion
to
send
something
forward.
Did
it
come
to
come
to
the
council
without
any
any
further
direction?
Here
you
can
rest
assured
it
wouldn't
have
passed
there.
P
Q
Well,
mma
legal
said
to
have
you
revisit
it
now
that
that
I
don't
know
they,
but
he
they
said
that
I
can.
They
said
it
would
have
to
go
to
your
mini
your
your
municipal
officers
anyway,
before
it
could
be
granted
a
permit.
So
that's
what
I
called
him
back
and
said.
I
am
not
signing
your
permit
today
because
I
have
been
told
by
mma
legal
that
it
would
need
to
go
to
the
municipal
officers.
Q
A
N
I
I
B
Make
a
motion
that
we
revisit
the
kip
griffith
application
after
proper
all
the
information.
G
Q
And
I
didn't
ask
for
any
further
clarification
because,
honestly,
when
he
said
you
would
need
the
permission
from
the
a
permit
from
the
municipal
officers
right,
then
then
to
me
I'm
off
the
hook,
because
if
it
requires
a
permit
from
from
the
municipal
officers,
then
I
don't
have
to
sign
that
today,
and
that
was
all
I
was
looking
for
was
for
me
to
have
something
to
call
him
and
say:
I'm
not
signing
that
today.
You
need
a
permit
from
the.
I
Q
Else
how
far
he
is
from
the
green
law
brook.
E
E
A
E
D
B
P
P
No,
no,
no,
that's
double
jeopardy
right,
but
it
is
the
thing
that
you
approve,
something
that
wasn't
correct
and
further
further
investigation
found
that
we
didn't
follow.
P
A
If
todd
is
reluctant
to
to
second
the
motion
to
withdraw,
then
I
think
we
just
let
it
rest.
We
don't.
A
And
the
application
is
incomplete
and
if
ever
he
shows
up
and
completes
it,
then
my
understanding
is:
it's
got
to
go
to
the
council
for
them
to
deal
with,
and
so
let
that
be
the
case.
E
E
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
there
so
that
you
realize
that
there
is
the
potential
for
in
the
in
the
board
of
appeals
or
the
superior
court
may
have
a
tendency
to
just
say:
okay,
take
that
back
to
the
municipality
and
have
the
municipality
here
go
through
your
application
and
that's
where
the
phrase
de
novo
comes
in,
that
they'll
say:
go
back
to
the
caribou
and
the
planing
board.
Should
we
hear
this
nothing
to
do
with
the
hearing
before,
but
to
hold
a
new
hearing
on
the
application.