Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 30 Jun 2022

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A very happy fourth of july coming up.

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Let's, before we get into our agenda, as always stand for the pledge of allegiance and the.

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Silence of america, the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god.

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Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, let's uh jump right into uh priority carol: commission boucher! Oh thank you good.

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Morning, everyone got a holiday weekend in front of us. Everyone's excited some time off of work.

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I'm going to read off some of the new hires for the county, andrew swessinger.

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Maintenance, specialist farm museum, michael carr, lead plumber facilities, lindsey davis,.

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Office associate citizen services ron now wiki management and budget analysis, chad, woleski.

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Program engineer, land and resource management, ryan, degroff, cashier, trainee collections office.

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Simon cadell cashier trainee collections office, tina, marlowe, fiscal technician, public safety.

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Thomas milnes cashier trainee collections office summer, moffitt budget, intern management and budget.

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Bradley naylene technology services, intern connie, yarborough assistant state's attorney.

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Welcome aboard, thank you very much. I think we have some site visits. Mr swim, you got something.

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You can bring up for us out at the flood zone this past weekend. They did a remembrance ceremony for.

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The 50th year anniversary of agnes flooding and also thanks to her staff there they set up a.

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Booth and gave public awareness on flooding. It was an absolutely wonderful event and.

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Flooding is one of those issues that people don't pay attention to and when they happen.

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They're absolutely devastating, so please keep awareness and I want to thank all the.

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Staff members for putting it together, I did some. This is the culvert piping that deteriorates us.

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And thankfully our engineers and staff go around inspect these, they fail we're going to be lining.

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Those here's kathy, verts or roads, administrator checking this storm drain. You see all the debris.

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Piled up and some of the asphalt's missing, that is a telltale sign that that storm drain is failing.

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And when those roads fell with water, it can lead to death and injury. So thanks to our staff going.

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Around inspecting all these facilities there, you see, one of pipes is half clogged with debris.

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And one of the posted a guard rail, its mounting, is eroded out. So it's vitally important our staff.

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Goes around inspects these there's kathy. Looking down the side, it was absolutely gorgeous today.

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I'm very grateful to stay up to take me out and show me these sites that are in our district.

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So I can keep our citizens and constituents updated. I did a site visit down in union bridge.

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For stormwater management off locust street, what a wonderful project it is, and I've learned a lot.

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About stormwater management, they're staging up the system where it filters out the water.

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Before it goes down into little pipe creek, this is both the contractors from kibbler construction.

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Or for our staff and mayor jones is in there, and I want to thank all those people out there who make.

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This possible we're running some difficulties on projects, but fortunately the interaction between.

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Air staff and a contractor helps eliminate these problems, not as bad as you think.

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There are some sinkholes out there, since it is a flood plain and they're properly addressing those.

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I don't know if I have anything else or whether that's it I get so busy with everything.

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I think that might be it so thank you very much and have a very happy.

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Fourth of july, of all the people, you love and celebrate our nation's birthday. This weekend.

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Commissioner weaver well, I just want to say you know the fourth july coming up and.

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Safety is going to be extremely important. The county does have their fireworks displays that.

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Sunday, monday monday monday, okay coming up here at the farm museum, it's a great event. It's all.

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Supported by donations, so as always, jack and crew do a great job, putting that together.

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But I think safety this holiday, it's always people buying fireworks on their own and it's.

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Not that wet out there, it's still fairly dry and people will start a lot of fires with firecrackers.

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Cant roman candles going up or whatever and just be aware, those straw fields burn fast, so.

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Thank you and remember your animals yeah, so yes, good, cold, okay, uh commissioner, lance.

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More importantly on that is the uh firework safety when it comes to hand, injuries and what.

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Have you in deaths, there were 18 deaths last year due to fireworks so really uh besides.

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Setting the field on fire just in maryland or across the nation so um anyway, just yeah, be.

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Mindful of that, a couple things had a uh planning and zoning meeting last night, a good work session.

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Still working on the ag zoning and going through that and conversation was, was.

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Robust and uh not quite to us yet but they're they're moving as rapidly as they can so that they.

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Can get to us so uh it's it's been interesting, uh so I applaud everyone on there, dick. I think.

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You made mention last week when I wasn't here uh that you know that group is really working well.

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Together and there's a really great uh there's, some really great thoughts and ideas coming out.

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Of that group- and you can see it now really at play- because you've got folks from various.

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Areas from around the county, which is important so kudos to that group and we'll be hearing from them.

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As we continue with that carroll county was well represented last week at the maryland.

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State fire association uh convention in carroll kudos to the westminster municipal band, who.

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Always represents carroll county and the city of westminster. Very well, uh here's my here's. My.

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Blinking to you to say you know, we're always grateful for the funding that we receive from.

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The city and uh they we had a good. We had a good group on the street and we've sort of been.

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Labeled, as the official band of the maryland state fire association now so um they'll be performing.

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At least five times over the next four days and that's a volunteer outfit, um so remind a reminder.

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Of that um too, that you know, we've got a lot going good things going on in carol when it comes to.

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That if you've been up 97 lately, uh there's steel in the air at um charles carroll community center.

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uh I'm I get, giddier is giddier a word giddier with excitement, as things continue to progress.

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Up there, uh that was a that was a hard hard fault battle to even get that thing up there, and um I I.

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Always thank my my colleagues who who voted for that, because that area of the county, deservedly.

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Will get a tremendous building up there that will bring that community together. So thank you to.

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Everyone, but if you get a chance to ride up there, what a great sight when you come around the corner.

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And see steel in the air, so there's a young lady sitting in the audience. That knows exactly what.

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I'm talking about so other than that be safe this holiday weekend and make sure that you celebrate.

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In the safest manner and yeah come out to the farm museum, that's always a great event. On uh monday.

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One last thing dennis and I were at the mako legislative meeting yesterday, virtual uh starting.

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That process already so we got an update. The convention is coming up in august to make it.

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With a conference uh it's coming up in august, uh we'll be well represented there and um that's.

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Over 3 000 folks have signed up for that, so that should be a great event and it's packed full of.

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Very good: it's a very good agenda from storm water management to waste water treatment to.

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9-1-1 and all points in between so uh that's in august, 18 17, 18, 19. yeah. I should know anyway, it's.

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Somewhere in august so more to come on that and uh had a good meeting yesterday, yeah yep, that's it.

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Okay, commissioner fisher I'll segue right off of that until at the meeting yesterday we had.

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A presentation on pfas, which is the chemical that's in fire retardants, and it's in other.

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Everywhere, like scotchgard and teflon and stuff, like that, it wasn't a very positive presentation.

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Because the wells that have been tested in maryland so far, if you're looking at the and look.

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At parts per trillion of pfas, that's in the in the wells um right now. I think the the threshold is.

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20 parts per trillion and there's only a couple wells in the state of maryland that are above.

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That but the threshold that the I guess the epa is looking at is 0.1 something parts per trillion.

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No wells past that that would be every well in maryland, has to have some remediation, but.

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The interesting part about that is, there's not a measurement tool out there that can measure that.

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Low, so why do you set a standard? You can't measure for the lowest that you can measure for is 12.

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Parts per trillion- okay, that's the lowest! You can measure for. Why set a standard below that? It.

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Doesn't make sense to me and it hasn't it's not the adopted standard, but we were told yesterday.

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That, probably since they put it out there, they're probably going to go with that, makes no sense. But.

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That's happens a lot where things don't actually make sense and get passed, insert epa here yeah. I.

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Mean I'm looking at that thing and when you, when we're listening to that, I'm thinking the absurdity.

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To use one of your words, I'm surprised you didn't say that, but it was the absurdity of that.

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Question on behalf of you he did. It was to get a little bit of yeah of um information on funding.

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Coming back to help with those wells that have been identified as being affected and and that.

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We're already sure what the answer was we'll wait and see because we don't know yet yeah so anyway,.

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Yeah- and it's just I mean you, try to be proactive and get some things done and.

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If you are, you really don't get any help and then that's basically what's the answer so far and I.

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Was at the westminster city council meeting the other night and I say the mayor becker- is here.

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Today, not just because I was at her meeting the other night but she's, okay, for other reasons and.

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A well-run meeting I like to go to meetings that are well run, get started on time.

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Progress through kind of like ours and finish at a timely hour. I appreciate that.

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um Also, I want to mention that, as everyone knows, elections are coming up soon. um There's.

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A lot of forums that are on that you can go to the community media center and see and.

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What the candidates are saying you can go to the voter's guide. You can go to the league of women.

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The 4-1-1 vote could also go to the baltimore sun voter's guide. There's a lot of information.

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Out there please check out the information, don't vote off, of a sign off of a mailer.

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That you get look check out information, see if the candidate actually reflects your views and.

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If they do, I would think that's who you would want to vote for and please get out and vote.

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That's all I have thank you. I appreciate that and uh early voting starts on the 7th through.

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The 14th and then the primary is on the 19th and I do believe our board of elections worked very.

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Well, locally, with the state in getting everything set up and you know real strong yeoman's work so.

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Yeah, I appreciate those comments. It's it's a civil duty. um Yesterday I had the opportunity to.

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Highlight a great part of carroll county and that's uh the infiniti center down in eldersburg.

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Off of 26, it deals with autistic children from their infancy, basically ages. Well toddler. I guess.

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uh Yeah 18 months toddler, that's a toddler through about five years old and.

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What's cool, is it's run by humanum and humanum uses apprenticeship programs and earn grants.

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And a lot of other opportunities working with the state with labor, so I was able to take the former.

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Secretary of labor and commerce, secretary schultz- through that, so she was you know very appreciative.

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Seeing the fruits of her labor and working to establish those apprenticeship programs.

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And next step is to work with the infiniti center and.

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Nest them into uh the school system, so I have an upcoming meeting with the school system and.

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The infinity center to focus on our children and their needs.

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So to me, that's a priority here in carroll county um before your mako meeting.

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Gentlemen, I had a subcommittee meeting uh and to start looking at the.

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You know which, which are our priorities going to be and we're going to start. Hopefully, whittling.

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That down, I don't think there was much woodling that happened yesterday morning. It was more of.

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Just a reception of the information it sounded like it was good whittling. We we got a few.

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We got went from 40 to 25 according to laura yeah yeah. That's never happened before. Oh really,.

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I've sat on that for seven years or eight years down. Okay, you that's a good start. Oh you had your.

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Expectations, I I was that's a good start. Honestly, I was you know, looking for a 15 or 10 to 15., so.

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Okay, that's good, um and uh so I look forward to uh continuing that conversation with.

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All our colleagues across the state with mako and our colleagues here.

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Yeah, like it was mentioned july, 4th coming up and really enjoy the summer.

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uh You know it's time take off the ties, it's time to have an open collar time to relax time to put.

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You know family in front of us and be with each other uh to me, that is a strong part of being.

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Priority here in carroll, county and uh and enjoy it, there's there's challenges always around us.

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But uh working together we get a whole lot done. So that's my two cents for this morning. Let's.

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Get right into it, if you don't mind just to mention that today's mr burke's birthday, it is.

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Happy birthday mr bird you're 22., I had to mention for you, that's all. Do we get to slap you or punch.

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You or hit you or those spankings, there's a large group in here should we sing, I don't know no.

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Where's chris rockwell we're going to do this in the most professional manner line up. Okay,.

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Let's just keep talking see how how red that face could get. I mean it's starting to get to the three.

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Four different shades and we're gonna get there so, but I do appreciate that happy 60th birthday.

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To our best legal advisor here in carroll county, that's, why we're pushing it a little.

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Okay, let's start with uh all right with our frf update.

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Turn first yeah good morning, commissioners, good morning mark mark.

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Who wants to come up? No, you want us to come up, there yeah sure come on up sure. All star cast yeah.

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Okay, I was like that was seven slides. That was good.

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We were starting well, let's start on the last one.

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There we go very good good morning, commissioners, good morning, um debbie stanford grants office. I'm.

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Here, with jason green department of public works and mark ripper, I t to answer any.

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Questions that you might have specific to their projects. Our last update on the frf plan was.

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In march, so we are back with um a look at we're going to look at your current funding allocations.

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We'll look at the state awards that we've received for broadband to date. You wanted an.

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Overview of how the municipalities were spending their fr funding so we'll take a look at that.

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Look again at the municipal water requests and then potentially make a decision about.

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Those projects you, this is very small on the screen, but you have it in your packet.

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um All of your funding is currently allocated. We have received all of the funding as well from the.

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Federal government, so it's in our bank account for your reference. If you want to ask specifics about.

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Any project there is a each project is numbered and I've added the status. All projects are moving.

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I'm going to point out a couple of things, but all projects are moving with the only one that we have.

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Not committed yet it's allocated, but not committed is the remainder of the fiber connection, money.

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And debbie this this is available to the community. This slide correct. Okay, so I apologize that it is.

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A small font, but it is, I don't know if I can make it any bigger. No, but yes, it is miss stanford. I.

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Know this one was item nine for the historic jail withdrawn. What's this, why that was one.

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That I wanted to point out to the board: that's a change from the last time since the sheriff's.

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Headquarters has moved up in the cip, and that was going to be a very expensive renovation and jason.

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Can certainly speak more to it, because there are no there's. No current air conditioning there that.

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It made sense to um to withdraw that and to move the hvac down into the other projects.

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I will also say that we have two under design and we are waiting. The other four are pending.

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Until we get cost estimates back on the top two uh requests- and that was a very good call- because.

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I went over and toured that old building and it the old stone building is just not inducive at all.

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For the modern technology we need to apply so, mr green, thank you, okay. um So, as I said, um the h of.

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Ac we're doing the first two and then wait to see what the quotes are for that before we move down.

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The list and to the rest of the hvac projects, of course, municipal water projects, project 8,.

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Are still pending your decision and then 22 is the fiber connections. There's we were waiting.

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For the state broadband decisions we have those now um so any questions about the project. Lesson.

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Municipal water supply- we had talked about possibly putting more money into that, but you're.

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Saying all the money's already been allocated so is there any additional money put into that.

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So right now you have 2.2 million, and so we can talk about that. That's one thing that I have a.

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Couple options for you: I want you to see what is eligible and how much you're short so that'll be.

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Part of the presentation all right, thank you and then I have a couple of ideas, but you know just to.

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Spark the discussion and mark you've done a great job with the team in getting grants.

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For the county, uh in addition to this, are there any other grants that are still pending.

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um That you're working through that will either adjust this cost or what are your thoughts.

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Next slide, it's a segway was that. Did you said that I did that I did a segue for you. This was.

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All about very much no problem, I appreciate it. Okay go ahead! Mark I love it when I anticipate.

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Questions I hate it when you ask questions that I don't anticipate so far, we're doing great.

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So this is an overview of the broadband money that we applied for that we've applied for it to date.

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In the first table, so we have been awarded just over 12 and a half million dollars in.

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Federal pass-through state which would serve potentially 1500 households, there's county match.

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In there, some of that those early, those first couple of grants were actually county dollars.

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Then the infrastructure and neighborhood grant you used frf money to match those projects. There are.

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Four, pending opportunities coming up, these will also pass through the state. You can see what the.

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Potential award to the state is we don't have any details about those projects, but we anticipate.

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You know we will certainly look at each one of them and apply if there's any. um You know if.

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There's a good project that we can apply for, but we assume that we will apply for all four of those.

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But details pending, we don't know what the what the, what they will offer and and what we will be.

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Able to apply for so that's where we are with the state broadband all right. When you say these.

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Are awarded, are they gone out to bed already? Do we people? Are we ready to move forward with these.

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Projects um I can talk that with you, the first two there on the list: halter road and garrett, road.

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Comcast has already started those builds they're expected to be completed by december of this year.

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um It was part of the grant requirement for them to get those done sullivan road is work, is.

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Being done to try and move that one forward, the 10 million dollars was just awarded about a month ago.

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We had a conversation with quantum internet service who was the winner of that, and they are.

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Moving forward in the process now that 10 million dollars they have five years to complete that.

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Build for those 1206 homes, so it's not something that's going to be completed in the next year or.

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Two, there will be sections that will be over time, but they have five years to totally complete that.

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And then the neighborhood grants um there were five of those that were awarded um and they have.

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To be completed within a two-year period, so um as we move forward, the um the the 1200 homes.

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There's a priority list, I would imagine of those 1200 well there's the list that we.

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Can't prioritize: well, we can. We can always tell people what we would like them to have them build.

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But we can't instruct them to actually do that. They have to decide.

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What's best for them, conor picked out looking at the unserved and underserved areas of the county.

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Found 1200 homes that they thought that fit well and most of those are in the north central portion.

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Running from westminster, north right um they're moving forward, so I the the.

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Reason, I'm just bringing up is um expectation management for those homes. You know if it's a.

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Four-Year or five-year project you know, do the residents have an expectation that this will be.

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Complete in not tomorrow, like you said, but in two years or two and a half years whatever it may be,.

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How is that? We will be able to provide that information as we move forward. um One of the.

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Issues that we're having right now and it's not just carroll county, it's it's nationwide, because.

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Of all this fiber construction is actually getting the fiber, so we can do all of the build get the.

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Conduit in the ground have everything done, but we may not have the supply of fiber for.

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A while right now, we're looking at a six to ten month lead time um to get fiber. And it's because.

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Everybody in the united states wants it and it just can't produce enough of it. At this point, wow.

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I can answer your question. I'll start forwarding the emails that I get to you. What does that mean.

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They want it next week and they don't know I know next week. So that's that's.

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That's the whole point is I'll start forwarding them to you and you don't want to care that it.

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Has nothing to do with foreign in the near future, probably in the next three to four months, we'll.

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Have a much better idea how those results are going to go because those those emails you know.

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However, many there are providing them, the expectations you know is important and.

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Communicating so if you have the ability with this to provide over the next five years, you know in.

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You know relative terms, sure that's a great thing. You know because you're right everybody wants it.

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Today or tomorrow, right putting out a timeline, I think would be very appropriate. So people know and.

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And the timeline is not exact timeline, but this is projected of what's going to happen, so people.

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Can see this is where I am, this is a timeline, and then maybe some of the emails will stop. Probably.

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Not but but at least they'll have a timeline out there and I think that's very important to.

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Get out there and the other thing we're already working on commissioners. Is I've already worked.

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Started working in my gis department is we're going to put a page up on the website that will.

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Allow people to actually go in and put in their address and tell them if they're, in a build and.

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If so, what the build? Yeah, that's good, that's great yeah! That would be good because that's.

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The challenge now as as they're, anticipating the build and they see their roads on here.

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The folks that aren't listed are starting to yell louder sure. So, while that all sounds wonderful.

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It's not because it's not wonderful, I'm not sure the folks that aren't in the build.

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Are further out now, but they need, but so they need to know if they are within.

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Creating a lot of angst well, they they may not be farther out on their they. There are first first of.

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All there are four other grants and there's the county money that um so beyond the 3.2 million.

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That we've spent here as a county match. um We have another 15, um you know something: 11.9 million.

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Right so there was 15 million well there's 17.8 million right now allocated to broadband across.

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Our infrastructure, you know the projects that we're doing to county facilities, the grant the.

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Match to these grants and then what we haven't released yet right at an rfp and we will be.

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Putting out an rfp in july for our money, now that we know what the state has awarded we're going to.

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Put out an rfp for the county match, so people will be able to apply yeah and that that was.

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My original question before we flip sides, which is which is great, is are there other grants federal.

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Or state that we're also going after while you're ready to put out your rfp, yes, those.

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Are the four that are on that list? Okay, so there's no more than what we're looking at right now, what.

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We're looking at right now, as far as we don't know, okay yeah, I think um putting something on the web.

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Like you said, having a timeline like we shared is important, so people will then expect it's.

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Happening or it's not happening, or if it's happening it's within such a time period.

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I mean now is all of this attention up in the northwest is the is the 90.

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Percent need of what's going on or is it across carroll county.

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I'm sorry ask that question as far as the gaps in coverage as far as the gaps in coverage right now,.

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What's happening, commissioners is that there is infrastructure in carroll, county.

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That is currently around the incorporated towns and people are moving out from there.

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This first 10 million dollars that quantum has is going to expand that out further in the county.

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But it's still not going to get out to the edges and what has to happen. Unfortunately,.

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Is they got to build those middle miles there and then once they're done.

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Then they can apply for additional funding to expand those out even further.

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We can't go out into the northeast portion of the county. There's no infrastructure to.

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Get us into right, yeah, okay, so comcast put in for a state grant. They were not awarded it. um We've.

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Been in conversations with them, I think they're definitely going to apply to the county. For that.

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They're in a little bit different situation than some of these other vendors because they do have a.

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Lot of infrastructure down in the county and what they'll be able to do if they were a successful.

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Awardee is they'd, be able to fill in all those little gaps that are missing because a road.

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Doesn't meet the 20 homes per mile requirement under the current contract that we have with them.

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So and again you know, unfortunately, it is going to take time. We really need to emphasize that.

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And while we'll be able to provide people, estimates and all know that the big issue.

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Is going to be getting that final piece of fiber right in to make that final connection right? Okay,.

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Any other questions about what one kind of sidebar question is. uh It was brought. It was.

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Asked to me about um down in the eldersburg area: comcast is the you know largest vendor. Are there.

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Opportunities for other vendors to come into the yes, and there was actually one other vendor who.

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Put in for a state grant that was not awarded a grant was talky has an interest in moving into.

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Maryland they did receive an art off a grant rural digital opportunity fund grant for the northern.

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Portion of carroll county- unfortunately, they it's only about two hundred thousand dollars a year for.

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Five years, but they have expressed an interest in here in the county, anybody can come in and.

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um Build it's just a matter of, I guess, they're looking for their return on investment, yeah.

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Yeah make it worthwhile for them to do and with the funding that we have we're, I mean at this.

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Point we're getting another 1500 homes connected with our 10 million. Hopefully we'll get another.

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Thousand connected, but they're still, even with that estimate, we're still going to have probably 2.

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200 homes that aren't on right the grid yet right, okay, so and the federal government's conti I mean.

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I I the other thing I would suspect- and this is just a guess on my part but based on what.

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The federal government's been talking about and what we hear. I think that these grant.

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Opportunities are going to continue to happen. While we only have four right now. I think the.

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Federal government is going to continue to be releasing additional grants to continue this.

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Okay, which might be important too, because this grant will end you know, so we have all of our.

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Money and we can't get fiber and we can't complete the builds by the end of the grant.

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Period we want some of the grants that will extend beyond 26 to allow us to continue. Those builds.

A

Yeah having a the lead time on fiber- that's that's scary. You know having you know, but as long as it's.

A

Not in cargo ships in the pacific ocean- and it's just manufacturing, you know here in the states.

A

At least we have more control over it, but wow so and like other things, I think over time as they.

H

Continue to to get the you know, the pressure will come down and we'll be able to get it sooner. Then.

H

And our vendors are very good, they have they've already. All of them have already.

H

Been working on this and placing the orders and, and that type of thing to to.

H

Get this moving forward, so it's not like people have been waiting for um us to to.

H

Tell them to do anything they're already in the process. The orders have been placed and.

G

Okay, so let's move on then to municipal water requests. So the first piece of this is that.

G

The board asked to see an overview of how the municipalities were allocating their frf funding.

G

The list is not complete because not every municipality has allocated all their funding.

G

Yet but you'll see the theme, the you know, more than half of the money right now is allocated.

G

To water and sewer, and both mount air or about hampstead anticipates that the majority of their.

G

Allocation will also go to water and sewer um some other uses. um You know variety of other.

G

Uses and and then the three projects that are eligible for our our municipal water allocation.

G

So I won't go through the table. Do you have any questions, though, about this? What is it.

F

What does the lost revenue mean for western lost revenue that we took the lost revenue.

G

Here at the county, it allows you every everyone who received the frf grant could claim 10 up to.

G

10 million in lost revenue and you can use it for general government purposes, so it gives you more.

G

Flexibility in how you can use the funding, we did that, although we didn't allocate it to that.

G

It does give us flexibility, and I was a little surprised that not more of the municipalities.

G

Elected lost revenue and just took it as a as a.

G

You could use it much more flexibly yeah. I was thinking, I'm a little surprised.

A

But why didn't they was it just not educated in doing it? Well, if you're going to do it, if you're.

G

Going to do water and sewer, I mean you still have to follow federal procurement, whether you.

G

Categorize it as lost revenue or as a eligible frf project. So if you were going to do water.

G

And sewer projects, it really didn't make very much difference. Okay, honestly, but.

G

The theme is water and sewer the majority, even without all the money fully allocated.

G

More than half of the municipal allocations are going to water and sewer projects. At this point.

I

Since the municipalities are getting their money through the state have they received their second.

G

I'm not sure you received the second tranche one year after the first, and I know there were delays.

G

Because they needed to certify budgets- and there were some additional hoops that municipalities.

G

Had to jump through so we just got our second allocation or second tranche last month, so it.

G

May be a little bit more time before they get there and have it in their bank accounts.

B

What is mount mary's other uses.

G

I off the top of my head, I don't remember. I can certainly look at that and provide that, for you.

F

So the water projects are eligible for the money that we're going to be.

F

Cooperating with the municipalities for is on that last list right there correct go ahead.

G

We'll look at that on the next slide. I've got the list of projects.

G

And there are some changes, I'm just prompting you forward. Yes, I know it's really working well.

G

I was thinking this morning. This might be the last time I present on frf and now I've gotten pretty good at it.

G

All right, so, if we're ready, that is the next slide that will show you all the projects that.

G

Were eligible and there were some shifts in the last time you saw it so I want to.

G

Talk to you about that, okay, okay! So this is a list of all the requests that you received for.

G

um Municipal water projects, we you had asked for water projects just to refresh your memory.

G

Memory, water projects, yeah water, that was frf eligible, and originally we had three million.

G

Dollars allocated to this to this effort in march, because you had increased need for.

G

The ag center parking lot project and you had an additional request for the behavioral health rfp.

G

We moved some of the money from municipal water and reduced that to 2.2 million.

G

Now, after the presentation to you in march westminster reached out to me, we met with them and.

G

They provided additional information about their water project, given that additional information.

G

I believe that it is eligible for frf. Originally, it was not in that category so that one moved into.

G

The eligible category new windsor in the meantime received all the funding that they needed for.

G

Their water main project from the state, so they withdrew their request to our to our pot of money.

G

I took the time to reach out also to the rest of the municipalities and talk to them about.

G

Our decisions in light of westminster, giving me additional information. I wanted to make.

G

Sure that everybody understood how we, how we made the decisions, no other projects changed.

G

So now you have three that are eligible westminster's, pure water project, manchester.

G

And union bridge water main projects and they were originally eligible when we met in march.

G

So right now we have 3.6 in recommended projects, and you have 2.2 million in that line. Right now,.

G

So you have any questions about what is eligible and what the list looks like right now.

F

Go ahead, my I'm not about what is eligible. I got all that. Is there any way to.

F

Let's go to the next slide. Okay, we're just going to. Let him ask the question slide. Please.

G

Thank you, okay, so this is where you stand. We have 3.6 and some change in requests and.

G

And then allocated to just over 2.2, so we're overspending that category by 1.4.

G

Million so just to spark your discussion, I have a couple of suggestions or options. um You could.

G

Reallocate some of the broadband funding that is work, it's a pot that we haven't. We haven't.

G

Spent yet- and we haven't put out to rfp if we did that if we moved 1.4 million from broadband.

G

To municipal water, we could fund the three that are eligible. That would mean that you have still.

G

Allocated? Half of the frf money to broadband, with a total commitment of almost 30 million dollars.

G

Between the state grants and our funding with the four opportunities that are still pending.

G

Another idea is to allocate it proportionally. We have about 60 of the money that you need.

G

And we could just reduce everybody's and and give them 60 of the funding that they requested. I mean.

G

We could do it a million different ways. These are just two ideas to spark discussion about how you.

G

Want to handle these requests, I wouldn't take anything away from the broadband requirements.

A

I mean we saw that was such a need. I mean it's been a need forever and this pandemic just.

A

Highlighted it as such a you know, requirement that you know, I think, every dollar we can.

A

Afford, um especially if there's expectations I mean that's, that's my two cents. You know.

A

About it, um but that's just me yeah I have to agree. I don't actually want to take any money.

F

Away from broadband, I know mark's happy about that, but because I do think it is an urgent.

F

Need in this county for the people that are not served by broadband, are you know, emailing texting.

F

Commissioner, lanson on, I appreciate you texting him, but uh I understand that I think we need to.

F

Do the best we can to to push board? You know broadband as much, and I I actually I do like.

F

The second option at the 60 level, because everybody gets something uh they don't get.

F

Everything to ask for, but they certainly get some money from us to help move those projects forward.

F

I know commissioner weaver loves that second one, don't you, commissioner, any other thoughts I mean.

A

No, it's all important, you know how I feel.

D

I mean I'm the only one we have to get broadband out there.

C

And we're the only way they're going to get it yeah I mean the county is the only way.

C

It's going to go out into the northern part of the county, yep wow, that's a tough one! Well yeah yeah.

I

You have a staff recommended motion. If you just okay. Well, it's good. I mean it when you're ready.

A

um Yeah I mean you're, I can't take anything. I can't take a dollar from.

E

Broadband- I just can't just it's it's too, it's it's so volatile and it's something that.

D

Is so necessary and I'm just I'm I'm just tired of the constant delays.

D

Well, we can't do that because it's you know it's and I understand that. But it's just.

D

It's exhausting um these folks need broadband and they need it yesterday. So.

D

I can't take anything from that. Are we getting a program manager still? Are we hiring somebody.

A

To focus full attention on the broadband requirements, I mean mark you're, we we posted.

H

That position previously and we did not get any candidates, so we put it on hold until we.

H

Any any qualified candidates for that, so I started looking at some other options.

H

We could post it again and see if we get anybody this time to take the position, but I've also had.

H

Conversations with several different companies that have started to do that as part of their.

H

Operations and we could put out an rfp to them to ask them to help us provide some.

H

um Management on there, I think the big thing is going to be. What you raised earlier is just the.

H

Number of people calling in with questions is going to take. You know a majority of the time.

H

As we start to move this forward and begin the process, um does it have to be full time.

H

No well, that's the other question I mean right now. You know: we've got 12 million.

H

Dollars allocated for fiber builds in the county and we're going to do another 10.. I don't know.

H

Exactly how that's going to fall- and you know from from a time perspective, we've never had that.

H

Kind of um position before, but I can imagine and and the other thing that that um debbie talked.

H

About is, we could take the money for that position from the 10 million dollar um shortfall that they.

H

Allocated and that would allow this person then to make it a full-time position to actually deal.

H

With all of the fiber issues in the county, not just the fiber issues for.

H

um The grant itself yeah, I just I mean I had a conversation with an individual the other day that.

D

Retired from I.t from the I.t industry- and you know he suggested to me- if there's ever.

D

Anything but he said I don't really want to work full-time, but you know I've got the expertise.

D

And I've worked in private sector, I've worked in public sector and I'm thinking geez what a.

D

Great guy to plug into something, but there's a lot of folks out there that don't want nine to five.

D

Right five days a week, so maybe we should be a little bit more flexible with plugging.

D

Somebody in and not just doing it the way, we've always done it. Here's the job posting you work.

D

Monday to friday, maybe we should be thinking outside of the fiber a little bit and we can. We.

H

Can have those discussions, one of the big things that this person would be doing and- and I know.

H

From experience that this can be a full-time job, is we need a liaison to be able to deal with bge.

H

With verizon, with the poll attachments with making sure everything's the way that it's supposed to be.

H

And unfortunately, that's nine to five work. That's when bge and verizon you get the right person. I.

D

Think they could plug it in yeah. The right way, I'm just suggesting a different way in order.

D

To get somebody on board because it's taking away from your responsibilities to do this, not.

D

You're doing a tremendous job with it mark, but if, if somebody there was focused just on this, I.

D

Agree absolutely agree, so maybe that's a way to look at it. Get somebody in it's.

A

Yeah, no, I 100 agree and I'm going to share with you a company that I want.

A

You to look at and that's hartmann executive advisors, okay, I am not affiliated with them.

A

But I have known them for quite some time and they do strategic and I.t consulting.

A

They just won a a bid, I believe, down in north carolina with uh county.

A

And they are working with other counties um across the country. Okay, um so reach out.

A

To them, I can give you their points of contact and uh their business development people, but.

A

If it's them, that's fine, I don't really care, but, as I think it's that type of approach that can.

A

Take on this type of role and that's the advantage to have one of the advantages to doing a company.

H

As opposed to an individual is all the experience the company has, rather than just the experience.

A

Just let you know now we will have to put out an rfp for this under the federal requirements. I'm.

A

Just saying to make sure that they get it take a look at it's not going to say contact them.

A

But take a look at their skill set sure and if that's the skill set, that is a requ that is.

A

You know what you're looking for. Then you can look at an rfp saying, yeah, that's the type of work.

A

That's necessary, but um you know uh yeah, I'm not saying soul source. Anything, I'm not saying go to.

A

But I'm saying look at who they are and uh what you just described. It fits them to a t. So, okay.

A

Thank you, yeah um yeah, so I mean my recommendation is that we go with option one. uh You know.

A

Unless you, what you mean too option, two excuse me option two: unless there's any other uh issues.

A

I mean: did you have a staff recommendation you want to make? That's no, it's not that it's just.

F

If you want to read the motion, it's just oh, partially I'll make the motion board county.

F

Commissioners, direct staff to move forward with the municipal water projects with partial funding.

A

A second any other discussion on this.

A

Really good layout really good discussion, all in favor aye, aye, okay, what else we want, commissioner?.

A

Didn't? Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry against you're against! Yes, sir 4-1, okay, wait.

I

For one you, you he's against oh against yeah. Sorry.

F

All right, okay,.

A

What else we want to talk about? That's it.

D

Are you going to give us updates periodically? I mean we're only here for another six months, but.

D

I I was teasing when I, yes, I'm sure that I'll come back and the design phases and yeah. You know yes,.

D

We can started blah blah blah I'd like to get at least yeah, especially when it comes to broadband.

D

Yeah, I'd like to get weekly but I'll I'll be a little bit more realistic and say monthly.

D

But would you like to you would like us to come back monthly with a status report important to.

D

Come back monthly with these projects, I mean it is it's. It's a chunk of change.

D

And it's it's garnered a lot of conversation from all four corners of the county and.

D

The continuous updates until the next bunch that comes in might not care, but.

D

I think this bunch does so I'd like to hear monthlies if you can on all projects. Okay, just to.

D

Give us an update on where you know where they are, including the municipalities that are using the.

D

Money, you know, how are they doing just a simple hey, what's going on, you know that would be great.

A

Yeah, transparency and communications is huge, knowing what the county's.

A

Doing but what the municipalities have received and where they lied their priorities. And then we.

A

Can work together and say: okay, this is how we can either provide resources, or you know, understand.

A

So we're not conflicted. I mean that that is important, uh yeah monthly or as needed. Well, mostly.

A

And or as needed, we'll start with monthly and and then that's great that'd, be good thanks.

H

And commissioners, commissioner, lance has been doing this for quite a while. If you have any.

H

Requests from citizens, please feel free to forward them to me, because myself and carol shalva, we.

H

Don't just answer their question on whether or not they're in the list. We actually work with them to.

H

See if there may be other possibilities that would allow them um to get a connection so, and you do.

H

Very good you, both you and carol, even though carol says oh lance again, uh you do you both do a great.

D

Job of outreach and- and you know providing that opportunity so yeah, you know I've got. I've got two.

D

That came across my desk yesterday afternoon again and I'll, throw them out again. But um you know, as.

D

The anticipation grows and people see that's another reason why I want to see these monthly.

D

Updates, because, as people see these things they're like wait, wait what about me where, where am I.

J

And I've got at least four roads right now that are in that category of wait. What about me and.

D

Two of those roads are, I can see the box, it's right there and it's just it's getting exhausting.

D

So well, I would hope that when we come back to, we will know more about what the state the next.

G

Grants that the state will release so we'll also give you updates on any future grants for, for.

G

Broadband and where we're at with those because a couple of those dates are the end of july.

K

For you know, applications so and we would be yeah issuing what you're applying for soon.

G

And we would come before you when we apply, but you know we can give you updates. As we see those.

G

Opportunities because one is for middle mile, one is for connectedness and corey is certainly you.

G

Know much more in tune with what those grants are offering, but some are for those very difficult.

G

Long last mile connections, so they they are anticipating some of what we're going to need.

J

Okay, hey corey, just for the record is: is there internet in your area.

C

Yes, okay, you don't have to go any further. I just.

D

I was curious because I know you know that I know where you are, and there is now just recently. Okay.

D

Okay, thanks, okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, commissioner, commissioner. Boucher.

A

Did you want to share your opinions or no I'm glad you listened intently to what I had to say.

B

I just want to state that water is vital to life. Broadband is not, and it's basically how.

B

It came down to that conclusion, they're both very vital, but if you need to separate your priorities.

B

I think water is the biggest priority. That's it! Okay, let's talk about springdale jack jack.

A

Let's talk about springdale he's not coming up. No, you don't want to come up talk about the uh tanker.

A

What are we doing up there.

L

All right good morning, commissioners, we're here today to ask your approval to award a contract.

L

To subsurface technologies incorporated for the replacement, relocation of a heating and.

L

Oil tank at the springdale preparatorial school in the amount of 227 thousand dollars the amount.

L

Is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary. The bid was advertised.

L

On march 4th, the office of procurement received two bids that are listed below with subsurface.

L

Technologies being coming in at the lowest bid and being most responsive and responsible.

M

Morning, commissioners, we're here today for a decision to award subsurface technologies. The.

M

Contract to replace the and relocate the heating oil tank on the property of the old new windsor.

M

Middle school, this will be a joint effort between the bureau of facilities and economic development.

M

The maryland department of environment conducted a routine heating oil audit on the property.

M

It found property and violation of the komar, which is code of maryland, regulations for mde.

M

uh The issue was related to the 27 year old, 10 000, gallon underground oil storage, tank.

M

Used when the school was built as you own the property, the county is obligated to make the.

M

Necessary repairs, the current underground 10 000, gallon heating oil tank supplies.

M

Fuel to the facility with the new regulations and continue ongoing inspections. We feel it's.

M

The county's best interest to get this 27 year old tank out of the ground, remove it above ground.

M

And replace it with a 6 000 gallon tank, which will follow the 22 komar regulations per mde.

M

What questions do you uh have regarding this.

F

Well, the main question I have is: why are we paying 100 of this? I mean word. I just.

F

You know it's a long history, but the school was supposed to sell it and all this other stuff and.

F

Now it's being leased and I we all worked on that agreed to it, but mm-hmm now anything that.

F

Comes up we're responsible for and I realize it's komar, but we can't work out some agreement.

F

With at least a 50 50 split on the cost or something of that sort I mean it just seems.

F

More realistic to me, it feels like a sucking chest wound. You know like we're in a swamp.

D

Well, I guess for me it begs the question of what, in the world's going on at springdale prep.

J

That's beyond you're gonna answer that you're, not no! No! No! That's! Okay and you're.

A

Not prepared to say I mean it's just it's ongoing, you know we're renewing the lease.

D

We're doing this we're doing that I mean I I don't I don't. I understand we have to do this.

D

Right so that's the first question: what's going on at springdale, prep and jack, that's.

D

A question for you and number two, I guess for me- um is.

D

Well, maybe start with that one, but I I just I agree that that maybe there should be some sort.

D

Of a share process- here, I I don't know I mean- is the anticipation that they're going to continue to.

D

To function up there I mean: are they at how many kids do we have there? I don't know.

D

I want to make sure the facility doesn't go, downhill and sits there and.

D

You know it's not viable at all. We need to keep it viable in the event that they don't it's going.

M

To fall back on us and that's why I think that best interest for us to fix this correctly now.

M

Or it's going to come back and haul and say later I mean I agree. It has to be fixed. I'm not saying.

F

That at all, I do agree, it has to be fixed and it should be fixed. I just don't agree that we should.

F

Spend 100 of the money we should pay 100. I just don't think it's right. What are your thoughts, jack.

N

um Springdale is uh waiting for us we're holding this up the lease uh they do not have a lease with.

N

Us but they've been paying month to month. uh We did raise the rent to cover this tank. uh We we.

N

Were told I was told that there was going to be about 85 to 100 000 dollars. We raised the rent to.

N

Pay for that 85 to 100 thousand dollars. We did not do it for 200. You know 30 some thousand dollars.

N

They're very optimistic now that they're going to get more students coming over from china.

N

Japan, vietnam and brazil that they will have international students, they've hired a new.

N

President that replaced johnny or replaced you know ashley. So um I think the school is from what.

N

I, what they told me the school was going to be, you know, be a viable source, they have the leases.

N

For three years and they are paying the rent and there are increases in that rent, we increased him.

N

Substantially last time you know, you told me to increase it to pay for that, um but this this.

N

Came up, uh we have to do this, the mde were in violation, but, commissioner, you know it's.

N

They're paying the rent the student is, the numbers are going up for them, um they have.

N

They have 34 active full-time uh uh teachers there or full-time employees there. So so.

J

They're really waiting for us to make this decision to sign the lease.

N

Okay but they're ready to sign we've uh tim and I have been negotiating with the attorney, but.

N

At least we got back, they've met all our stipulations in the lease, except for this.

N

Because you remember way back when I don't know five six years ago we said this was one of the.

N

Things we would do, we would have replaced the tank, and then we found out we're in violation.

N

Right, I do remember that well that you've answered that question. I and I appreciate that, and I guess.

D

My my second question was within the adopted budget, where you know I didn't know, we had an.

D

Adopted budget for that facility, but apparently we do um beyond the lease monies that come in.

D

Do we have money set aside in your department that handles maintenance up or what will handle.

D

The maintenance now so we're not doing anything up there at all they're doing the leases they would.

N

100 of all maintenance, they're, maintaining the fields also cutting the grass doing this.

M

Now, at all, that's correct it they're doing everything in there everything in the school.

N

It's a full lease they're taking care of everything to pay in all the utility bills and.

N

Everything else we're not doing anything, that's correct yeah. So when they take this tank out and.

D

Put the new tank in uh hooking the new tank up is part of this part of the deal that is correct. Okay,.

D

We're not gonna have to send our guys in there to whatever no, no, it's all gonna be contracted out.

M

And jax didn't mention, uh the pricing did go up a little bit, I mean we could have went in.

M

There, commissioners and just replaced the top tank replacement, but in the long run we still.

M

Have a 27 year old tank underground that we're still going to need to maintain and inspect so.

M

That's why I feel- and my department feels its best interest to get this out of the ground so.

M

We eliminate anything underground that could cause issues, get it above ground and bring it.

M

Up to today's standards, let's be clear for me: it's a no-brainer. We got to replace the tank right. What.

D

I'm most concerned about is the process of getting to that point, which seems like we're in the mud.

D

And you know we put it in four-wheel drive, but we ain't getting nowhere. So.

D

Financially, fiscally looking at it from a fiscal standpoint,.

D

So yeah I was walking up the hall, so I don't know what got said as I was coming here, but.

O

You asked you said something about. I didn't know this was budgeted, it was not budgeted.

O

We are going to fund this. There is money remaining economic, economic government, infrastructure.

O

Budget, we will be moving money from there to facilities to pay for this.

N

The 850 000 dollars, which you put in the infrastructure fund uh this year, we had.

N

The transfer was about 200, I think 230 thousand dollars, so it would cover this taken out of our.

N

Infrastructure fund at the 850. that should give, but I find that to be a little wonky too.

A

I don't like I don't like that part. Well. If we agree that we have to pay for it, then we have.

O

To find some place somewhere, I got that yeah. It just seems like we're. I don't know where, where.

D

Does the, where does the money that we get from their monthly they're paying monthly? Is that.

D

Correct that's correct, they're, paying monthly and their money. Where does the? Where does the monthly.

D

General fund revenue, just like any other revenue, then why wouldn't we take.

D

The money out of the general fund- well, it is coming out of the general fund.

D

You just said it's coming out of their category. That's part of the general fund. I mean there's.

O

There's no separate general fund, it's all general okay, very detailed right, okay,.

E

Okay got it, they do have to pay to fill those tanks right. Oh yeah. Oh you don't yeah. We don't.

M

Pay any fuel, we don't pay any heating costs, it's probably more than putting the tank in.

A

I think um you know, obviously, with all these questions a comfort level will be.

A

To come back no periodically, oh, this is go ahead. This is the end of the fiscal year.

I

Today so talking about springdale, I know where you're going, I'm just to know what the status is.

A

Of springdale, as they continue to move forward, because you know we want to see it succeed.

A

And a decision was made to transfer or transition this into this school, so we.

A

We want to see it succeed and the best way is for us to have that visibility. I believe so.

A

So, let's plan on doing that, maybe in a month or so say, hey here's, the latest with the new leadership.

A

And the numbers, okay, that would be good. We do want it to succeed, because if not it's shades of eight.

D

Years ago, when we had three schools thrown in our laps right, it's your district, so you got any.

D

You got two cents yeah. I was waiting until the rest of the conversation was done. You mentioned.

B

That they maintain their fields or are wreck councils, utilizing the fields they're, maintaining.

M

Rec council's not using news fields over there, just springdale prep, just springdale prep.

B

Okay, I thought- maybe that was a benefit for picking up. They maintain their fields, but.

B

Their wreck council were to utilize certain or not what I know, commissioner, there could be some side.

M

I don't know, but from my understanding it's just springdale prep using those fields.

M

Okay, this whole counselors have the ability to use them when that. I'm not sure, commissioner.

N

And at least in at least states, if they're, not using the fields or the gym, that they would work.

N

With the rec councils yeah, so we can get that update. I don't know if that's happening or not.

A

I thought the rec councils were using the fields same with myself. I thought the same.

B

As commissioner rolsteen, it would be a nice neighborly thing to do to make it available.

B

And project some goodwill towards a county, because this whole deal with this school is.

B

A bad taste, I think, all of our mouths, and as soon as possible, you like to get rid of.

B

It and settle the whole thing because it seems to be an ongoing wound. That's open.

B

And each year that goes by, it seems like we accrue some other expense to maintain this thing.

N

Well, remember: they're, paying all the expenses the county's not paying any expenses for anything.

N

There um we have a sale or of eventual sale on this. The problem is kovic, they you know.

N

They couldn't get the visas from china or japan coming over and now it is loosing up and they.

N

Feel good about this fall coming in, but well it's good to be optimistic. I like to hear that yeah.

A

Okay, so first step is get the tank replaced second step, maybe in about a month or so we'll get you.

A

On the schedule saying just give us an update on what's going on with the school okay, I appreciate.

A

It okay all right! Thank you, commissioner. Wamster asked me to chime in. I move that the board of.

B

Commissioners award a contract for heating oil, tank replacement and relocation to subsurface.

B

Technologies, inc in amount of 227 thousand dollars. Second got a motion got a second any other.

A

Discussion seen hearing none all in favor all right, okay, thanks! Thank you. Thank you. Absolutely.

B

Mr lyburn, nice suit, you look like a mississippi attorney. I'm meeting.

N

With attorneys this afternoon so yeah they all wear. These suits yeah.

A

The good piece about that discussion is we take.

A

The stewardship of our dollars very seriously, yes thank.

A

Oh, that was an important discussion. Let's talk about the saturday services pilot program, ladies.

A

And doug you want to come up.

A

And stacy how many days 37 37 so 36 and wake up? Okay.

A

Okay, all right good morning, commissioners, good morning, um pleased to be in front of you. This.

P

Morning about two months ago, uh I started uh working with stacy and then uh so stacy ness.

P

Our nash, our transit grants manager crystal weinbrenner executive director of ride with us.

P

And I started working with the area about two months ago. We we got involved in a lot.

P

Of discussions and going to a lot of meetings, one of which one of the good ideas that has.

P

Come up we want to bring before you today, and I just would like to for you to listen to us.

P

And ask any questions and I'm going to turn it over to stacy for the meat and potatoes here.

Q

All right, good morning, I'm going to get hungry. It's almost lunch time.

Q

um I'm here with crystal the executive director of ride with us, um and we are.

Q

Here to talk to you today about a transit pilot for saturday services. As long as I have.

Q

Been in this position and I'm going to assume longer, but we're going to refer to her on that.

Q

We have been asked about running some sort of saturday service.

Q

And most recently, during our transit talk on june 8th, it was brought up again there.

Q

Over the years, we've had different saturday services um for a while. We ran the westminster.

Q

Trailblazer on saturdays, but the ridership was almost non-existent, so we discontinued it.

Q

We more recently had an on-demand option from seven to one on saturdays was reservation based.

Q

Advanced reservation only we didn't do same day but again low ridership. So we would like to.

Q

Present a new option to you today that we believe will give us the best representation of the need.

Q

This pilot would begin saturday august 6th, which is conveniently 37 days from now.

Q

And run through saturday october 29th during the hours of 9 a.m to 4 p.m. If you give us the green.

Q

Light we're going to spend all of july to market a lot of our pilots. I think haven't had enough.

Q

Push to really give us what they should so we're gonna use all of july to push it out. um Social.

Q

Media press releases we're gonna advertise on the buses and we're gonna work with our.

Q

Allied agencies who have been asking us for this saturday service to push it out to their clients.

Q

This would be countywide county-wide demand response service, so reservations would be.

Q

Required and based on availability but same day would be an option if the availability was there.

Q

We would follow the current contract terms with our contractor for the hourly rate.

Q

And the expenses would be covered by my cares. Grant we plan to base.

Q

The success or failure of such a service on the demand response, cost per passenger trip.

Q

And if it is comparable to the current weekday costs per passenger trip right now, it is about.

Q

35 per passenger trip- it might be different during that time period, but that's what it is right now.

Q

If we decide if it's deemed the service is to continue.

Q

We'll come back in front of you and talk about some funding options and how that would look.

Q

Or we'll be back on why we think this service should not be continued, whether we don't have.

Q

Ridership or whatever that case may be um we'll probably come back towards the end of the period.

Q

October 20th ish give or take just to give you an idea of where that is, and what we.

Q

Think we should do going forward, so I think that is everything I have if I missed.

Q

Anything important I'm going to turn it over to crystal. If not we'll, take questions you said, 35.

A

That's 35 say that one more time to find that 35 35 per passenger trip, so the cost to the county.

Q

Is 35 for a trip just one way um for someone to get on the bus? We would.

Q

Does not include their fare, I mean their fares comes out of that, obviously, but yeah, but.

Q

35 is one way so seventy dollars yeah, that's a lot of money. Transit doesn't pay for itself.

A

So yeah, so so I'm just I apologize just real quick, okay, finish this train of thought and I.

A

Appreciate you saying that, because I'm looking at what is the return on investment? Because that's a.

A

Lot of money, I mean what, if we gave people vouchers for uber yeah, that was my idea too.

A

I don't know, I'm I'm not against you know internal intra, public transportation um and.

A

I like to support it, but I didn't realize that it was like that's a lot of money.

A

Wow, this is the demand response service that is a little more expensive than our trailblazers.

Q

um Our trailblazer, cost per passenger trip is, is depends on the route.

Q

Our westminster route is about 15 per person per passenger trip, um which is our best.

Q

Running route and that's each way, first correct starting tomorrow, it's 15 and seven cents.

D

Thanks to the state, my only question is you tried this and it was strike one and then you tried it.

D

In this strike, two, what gives you the confidence that you're not going to get to strike three? I.

D

Mean we actually have not had saturday's service in this way before um so one of the services we.

R

Offered was a trailblazer service and it was not utilized very well, and I, which means that you just.

D

Waited for the bus and right the bus just went the same, fixed route right, um which has its.

R

You know positives and negatives and a negative is, it obviously doesn't go everywhere? A person may.

R

Need to go on a saturday um and we didn't offer, we don't have same-day deviations. So even if someone.

R

Wanted to go off the route they couldn't make that that stop. Our second iteration of that was very.

R

Poorly implemented and where we offered saturday service from seven to one, we.

R

Didn't advertise it very well and in addition to that, if there were not enough people to go.

R

Then we weren't bringing a driver and a dispatcher in because it didn't make sense.

R

um That is, that would not be the case this time. This time we would just be open from nine to four.

R

um And we would take same-day reservation, we would run it the same way we do monday through friday.

R

And the purpose of this is not just to add service, but it seems like the biggest community concern.

R

When we have these public meetings and outreach is that we don't have saturday service, so the only.

R

Way as at our transit talk, we talk to agencies and explain to them the only way we can prove.

R

That need is, if you actually give us the data, so this three month pilot will allow us that time.

R

To first give us 30 days to really push and market this, especially with the agencies that.

R

Say they need it most and then will give us a three month period of time to prove whether or.

R

Not that's true, and so at the end of that three months, if we're really seeing a lot of people call.

R

Then perhaps we can extend the pilot and see how that goes and if not, then the next time.

R

We have a community meeting where there's this outcry for saturday's service, we can say: listen.

R

These are all the things that we've done and clearly the evidence is not there.

R

Yeah, that's good. I like that. I like that last part crystal nicely done: yeah, because really, if they.

D

You know they they they need to know if it, and if it's just one agency, then they should take care of.

D

Their own, I hate to be that way, but it's expensive and it's it it it's not going to get any cheaper.

D

And I think it's easy for for people to have a client, a particular client that has this one need.

R

To generalize it as if we only had this community wide, and we saw that with our evening pilot.

R

Program as well, that was, we didn't, have anyone turn out, despite the outcry for needing evening.

R

Service, so I think that I do think in both cases. Both evening and saturday, we did a very poor job.

R

Of marketing, um I think our transit talk was very positive and we had a really really good.

R

Discussion and I think of the agencies that showed they understand what their part in.

R

This is to get people, you know on the bus, and they also understand that if they aren't able.

R

To do that, then we can't prove that they need the service, so I think we're in a really good place.

R

To push this 30-day marketing strategy strategy to get three months, we have a budget for this setup.

P

It would it would come from as stacy mentioned earlier. The the current cares uh cares funding the.

P

Current care's grant opportunity and we anticipate this- will cost to run for three months honestly.

Q

I we haven't put a budget on it, um I mean I have the funding. We have cares funding that we can.

Q

Use for all operating so I know it'll be covered, but without having really any idea, I mean we have.

Q

Multiple agencies telling us that they want it, but I mean we've had the service before and they.

Q

Haven't used it so somewhere between one and 15. and the cost to a rider is how much then.

Q

Well, it would be based on our normal fares, so it would be um mileage based um from four dollars to.

Q

Nine dollars, depending on how far you're going one way, just like our normal demand response services.

P

So, to put the exact number on the pilot just to to emphasize, that is difficult.

P

Unless we know the amount of riders because we are only paying if we have the rider so if we don't.

P

Have anyone in the seat, then it there's no cost right. If we put a butt in the seat, then we have.

P

uh We have that cost so again, if it, if we, if what we are hearing from community members about not.

P

Offering a saturday service is true, and we put 10 people on a bus, then that simple math at ten times.

P

Seventy dollars per saturday, uh you know that's that's where we're at, but if not, if it's less than.

P

That then, the cost would be less so. The the whole purpose here is you're right. We do get a lot of.

P

uh Concerns from the community from our customers- and we simply want to be able to be data driven.

P

And say: look we check that out that doesn't work or does work and here's what we can do beyond that.

F

And a good thing about this, I believe, is that this is going to be on demand, correct, so you're.

F

Not going to have a trailblazer running around the route with no one on it all day, long, especially.

F

With the cost of fuel today, that's a big advantage on demand. Second thing is: actually this won't cost.

F

The county any money at all because it comes from the cares funding for the pilot program, so it.

F

Doesn't come out of our funding at all taxpayers, so this would be the best time to do this. It's not.

F

You know you got the carers money to use. Why not use it want to get the data let's find out? What's.

F

Going on with this, and then we can move ahead with it or not move ahead with it. But I like the idea.

F

It's on demand, so you don't have the bus isn't running unless there's someone to to ride on the.

F

Bus sounds you know, and it's really it is taxpayer money, but it's not costing us. It also affords us.

R

The opportunity to collect the right data so we'll know if there's people in eldersburg that want.

R

It on saturday we'll know that that's what's the selling point right and with our evening pilot we.

R

Did a five mile radius from westminster, so it was not open to the county and with our trailblazer.

R

Obviously, very fixed, you know a two mile route, so it's just not open to everyone and we can.

Q

Also, then, target, if we just if we find in these three months, that the only people that are riding.

Q

In is eldersburg. We could then have a saturday option just in eldersburg, so it wouldn't be a.

Q

County-Wide going forward, or something like that, like we can tailor what the service would be once.

Q

We have the data I mean. The biggest issue to me is being good stewards of our taxpayer money and.

A

Subsidizing appropriately, I mean we, we look at it and there we subsidize different things. All.

A

Over the place, but we have to be very careful- I understand that there's care is money, but it's.

A

Not free money, you know it's money with a purpose. um The vehicles that will be used will they be the.

A

Buses, yes, do we have vans, it'll, be us our smaller vehicles, so it'll be a smaller it'll, be designed.

A

To be smart, but it will also still be wheelchair equipped, so we we will still be able to offer the.

R

Service to everyone, because that's who I would figure would be using this or elderly going to.

A

Doctor visits, um dialysis is a very, very dialysis, is huge, you know so getting people to um the.

A

Visits to get their dialysis um yeah- that's kind of what's in my mind, is how they would be used and.

A

The the challenge when it's on call like this is when somebody picks up the phone.

A

Says, hey, I need a ride um and I imagine this will be part of your marketing that.

A

If you're calling, the expectation should be 30 minutes, 45 minutes an hour whatever it may be from.

A

Well, so it wouldn't be, I mean if you're calling the same day yeah, it would be what's available.

Q

So if the bus is in eldersburg and you're calling from hampstead- and you want the bus now.

Q

We're just gonna we're not gonna, be able to provide you right. At that moment, we might be able.

Q

To do it later in the day, but right then we can't, but if you reserve it in advance like we do normal.

Q

Demand response um any other time. You know up to two weeks ahead. um Then we can schedule the bus.

Q

Around where it needs to be accordingly and then, if we cannot provide the ride, if we're.

Q

If we're denying the ride, because the bus is not available because it's full that day.

Q

We're going to also keep track of those denials so that we have that data for going forward. The.

A

um The last question for me is: um do you believe the pilot program three months is long enough or.

A

Should be a six month through the end of the? uh I think three months is the count of the year.

Q

Start, um I think you know we're going to come back towards the end of it to you guys and if we.

Q

See a big uptick in the last three weeks of the pilot, then we'll probably ask you to extend it.

S

For those other three months um just to see how it goes, if not, you know we'll we'll have some options.

A

And and the reason it just because the latter months you know, is winter time, it's harder for.

A

People to get out of their driveways and especially elderly, don't want to drive.

A

In inclement weather- and they would use more, I would think mass transportation, especially.

A

To dialysis and other um scheduled care, you know throughout the weekends our ridership.

Q

Does typically decrease in the winter just in general yeah. um I I understand.

Q

I mean I agree, maybe it all depends also marketing, so yeah, okay, my only reservation with that is.

D

We're the ones that are allowing you to do the pilot program and, if you do it for six months,.

D

We don't have the ability to say we agree with you with your statistics,.

D

Because we ain't going to be here, it's true, so I'd really like to keep it to the three months. Okay, so.

P

And that's the whole point of of you know the one thing with pilots and that's the big discussion.

P

We had beginning purpose purpose driven beginning in data collection and then coming back to you. If.

P

At the end of that time, you decide you want to do more based on the data or that's it.

P

That will be your decision so how many buses you running a day. You think.

R

On saturday, just one just just one, yes, the the whole purpose of this is simply data collection.

C

To either put to rest or move forward so we're drivers. Yes, one driver one driver and I have.

R

One dispatcher and that dispatcher will be able to cover the on-call, so you wouldn't.

A

Have to add another dispatcher yeah correct, no additional we're, not adding staff at all right.

A

Okay, any other, it was good discussion. It was a good question. I I agree. Three.

A

Months is good. I just want to hear right whether it was three or six on here. I do.

B

Weinberg, thanks for being here today, are you having issues hiring drivers like everyone else,.

B

Seems to be having employment issues, we are, but it's getting better a lot better and we're more.

B

Applicants, we are getting a lot more applicants, we started advertising on the back of our own buses.

R

And we've had a lot of people come in um doing that, so we've we're still looking for.

R

Probably 10 to 15 part-time applicants, but we um we're running pretty pretty well right now,.

R

Do you get a lot of retirees looking for that's about almost 95 percent of our applicants.

B

It was a good part-time employment for retirees. Thank you. You're welcome a lot more actions.

A

People driving with their knees, writing down the phone number that they see on the back of the bus.

A

um Okay, good ideas: I appreciate it any other conversation discussion I'll make the motion.

F

That the commissioners approved department of public works carroll transit system to conduct the.

F

Saturday, services pilot program from august 1st 2022 through october 28 2022 from 9 a.m, to 4 p.m.

A

Okay, I'll, second, that any questions discussion. Commissioners, I'm sorry one point: I just noticed.

P

A typographical era that should be october 29th, because that is the last saturday.

P

That that would occur. I'm not amending that motion all right, all right, amend it to the 29th. Thank you.

A

Second, that amendment very difficult, okay, any further discussion, all in favor aye against.

A

Okay, 4-1. Okay! Thank you. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you for your time. Storm drain, repairs.

A

What's going on up in westminster, old bachmann valley, road and manor drive.

J

Good morning, good morning,.

L

The office of procurement and cooperation with the bureau of roads operations request.

L

Your approval to use an existing term contract with pro shot concrete incorporated at the cost.

L

Of 37 080, this amount is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

L

You guys I'll turn it over to mr cook you're. Looking quite sharp today.

B

Thank you. Thank you very much this. um This is a.

T

Pro shot is the uh concrete lining that you know because the pipe is deteriorated, so we need to.

T

Bring this um deteriorated pipe into into compliance, so we're we, you know utilizing this.

T

Contractor to to uh to line the bottom of this pipe to to bring it back into compliance, so that's.

T

Why we are coming for in front of you today to you, know, get your approval on this project, and this is.

B

Much more cost effective than tearing whole pipe out. Yes, yes, it keeps the road open to traffic.

T

You know it doesn't have to close the road and it they can do it all in one day, so they're.

T

It is this pro shot concrete waterproof. Yes, yes,.

F

Is it waterproof because there's an additive in it or is because 5000 psi, it's the it's, the 5000 psi.

J

Yeah, I would not want to be the guys that crawl inside that too.

B

That is a rough looking job. It is it's a tough one. It's tough on the knees. It's tough going about.

T

It takes a certain person to do that thing, plus, there's probably snakes down in there.

T

Kathy really didn't want you to bring that up.

F

I'll make the motion that we approve the repair of the storm drains on the old bachman valley's.

F

Road and mounted drive to pro shot concrete inc in the amount of thirty seven thousand. Eighty.

F

Dollars second, okay, you got a motion got a second any discussion on this, all in favor all right, okay,.

A

Let's move on to blacktop purchase.

L

We're here to ask your approval to award a contract with cj miller and the amount of 85 000.

L

Cj miller is one of our existing term contracts. This amount is within the fiscal year 22 budget.

L

And no additional funds will be necessary. This blacktop will be used to complete.

L

In-House projects I'll turn it over to mark to discuss those projects. Yes, these. uh This is a.

T

Robert arthur road was one that was chip sealed prior and due to spring heads in the area. The.

T

Water has penetrated and deteriorated the area, so we thought it would be best to put asphalt on top.

T

Of that area and see it in that capacity and then we'll eventually chip seal it in in the future. So.

D

That's a terrible spot right there too. It is it's a wet area. Yeah, you think. Maybe it needs.

D

More than just an overlay, well because it's got the chip seal underneath it already that gives.

T

It a little bit of something there to hold on to, because it seems like you guys have.

D

I know a guy that just came into the room and knows it very well. I mean I've hit it.

U

I've hit it a couple times, and I just I don't go that way now, unless I want to throw.

D

A can or something into this individual's yard yeah, but.

D

But uh it just seems like when you repair it a week later: it's it. Does it's a mess. Yes,.

T

And it was previously a gravel road, so it was it kind of didn't help any so.

T

But we'll we'll do the necessary drainage that we can. If we have to put under drain, we do.

T

And then we can with this okay. That was the only point in bringing it up jim to make sure.

D

In in that, maybe you should throw something out and that's that's an ongoing battle with quite.

T

A few roads you know we do that so, okay, that's that's kind of what our intent is.

T

Okay, the county's doing the work. Yes, yes, you just want to buy the asphalt backed up.

E

Okay and with the price going up daily or changing you, don't know what you're going.

C

To how much you're going to get it's skyrocketing, actually yeah well hurry up and get it. I make the.

D

Notion that we approve your uh your roads to purchase blacktop from cj miller.

D

In the amount of 85 000 for that project, second, I got a motion. I think I got a couple seconds.

A

Any further discussion, all in favor all right. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Absolutely.

A

Let's talk about the construction of sykesville maryland 851 state highway, 851 main street water.

A

And sewer main improvement project lots of work happening we're gentlemen morning morning.

L

The office of procurement cooperation with the bureau of utilities request your approval to.

L

Award a contract for the construction of the sykesville maryland 851 main street water.

L

And sewer main improvements, project to rivers, construction group, limited of jessup maryland.

L

And the amount of one million seven hundred forty five thousand eight hundred sixty-five dollars.

L

This award was competitively bid and two we received two bids from two contractors.

L

Which are listed below with rivers, construction group coming in at the.

L

Lowest bid of this amount is within the adopted budget. No additional funds will be necessary.

U

Gentlemen, as you just heard, two bids were submitted for this project. The low bid was.

U

Consistent with the estimated cost- and we are comfortable that the bid reflects a fair.

U

Value that that being said, be aware that the construction world does remain very volatile.

U

There were more than 80 uh 30 separate downloads of the engineering drawings during the eight.

U

Week bidding process and we only received the two bids, as shown on the brief of paper.

U

This project is relatively straightforward and my thoughts regarding the small number of.

U

Submitted bids lies with the supply issues and the unknowns of the water and sewer main pipe product.

U

This is the third and final contract associated with the sykesville main street water and sewer.

U

Main improvements project, this board previously approved contracts for engineering services to jmt.

U

In december of 2020 and construction inspection services to to to whitman required in march of.

U

This year, the scope of work is is, as outlined in the briefing paper and includes major water.

U

And sewer improvements along main street from the intersection with scout hill road.

U

And springfield avenue and continuing southward to the sykesville pumping station, this project will.

U

Will require my staff's ongoing coordination and outreach with the town of sykesville.

U

As well as construction coordination with the state highway and their planned springfield.

U

Avenue storm range improvement, replacement project as well as our county's springfield avenue water.

U

And sewer main project, which is a topic of the next item, coming up any questions for me.

A

I'm glad you said that last line, because that's that was my question. Okay, um so I'm looking.

A

Forward to that next conversation uh twice as much, I mean what a difference, the the I guess, the.

U

The good part of the answer is the low bid was very consistent with the engineer's cost.

U

Yeah, I think the the second bidder may have seen something that was not there or overestimated.

U

Certain costs, if, if both of those prices were in the same realm, then there would be some major.

U

Issues: yeah, okay, have we used rivers construction before we have not there? We have. We checked out.

F

Their work and everything's good because yeah, I'm also looking at the big difference in the.

F

Price there I'm thinking, I know you said it goes about what we thought, but that's a tremendous.

F

Difference are they doing everything that they're supposed to be doing and we're sure it's going.

F

To be done properly, once again, the the low bid is consistent, yeah insurance costs, but I'm confident.

U

I think the issue is with the with the second, these segments you're, confident.

C

How does this tie into their main street renovation, uh the uh the streetscape project, yeah.

U

That that's pretty much been canceled by the state highway. They are moving forward with.

U

Storm drainage improvements on springfield avenue, which may be what you're thinking of commissioner.

U

um We are coordinating this project very closely with with the state highway, okay, and they are.

A

Going to have conversations about streetscape further on, but this is this is absolutely the.

A

Priority is get this road done um because I suppose it falling apart into the ground sound.

A

I'm with the board of commissioners award of contract for the construction.

A

Of sykesville maryland 851 main street water and sewer main improvements project, two rivers.

A

Group the amount of one million seven hundred forty seven.

A

Forty one million seven hundred and forty five thousand eight hundred sixty five dollars.

A

Second, that emotion got a second any discussion on this. It's in here, none all in favor, all right.

A

A lot of money: okay, let's talk about construction of sykesville, maryland, 851, springfield, ave, water.

A

And sewer main improvement project commissioners again we're here to request your approval to.

L

Award a contract for the construction of the sykesville maryland 851 springfield avenue.

L

Water and sewer main improvement project to rivers, construction group, limited of.

L

Just maryland and the amount of 202 million 293 575 dollars, this award will be made via an open.

L

And competitive bid process, we received two bids which are summarized below.

L

The two contractors that were listed rivers did come in.

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At the as low bid and most responsible and responsive bidder- and this amount.

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Is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

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Gentlemen, the the information regarding this agenda item will be very similar to the previous.

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Item regarding main street, while once again, two bids were submitted for the project by the same.

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Two contractors: in this instance, both bids, were below the estimated cost of the project.

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And we are confident once again that the low bid does reflect a fair value.

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Once again, there were more than 30 separate downloads of the engineering drawings during.

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The eight week bidding process and we we only received the two bids as soon.

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Once again, the only rational explanation for this regards the volatile construction world.

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And with the supply issues and the unknowns of the water and sewer main pipe product.

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This is the third and final contract associated with the sykesville springfield avenue water and.

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Sewer main improvements project, this board previously approved contract awards for.

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Engineering services to rknk in february of 2021 and construction inspection services to whitman.

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Required in march of this year, if there are any questions regarding the structuring of this work,.

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And the previous main street item is two separate but coinciding projects. As a reminder, it was the.

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Bureau's intent to complete the main street project first and then move on to springfield.

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Avenue this approach had to be reassessed and changed when the state highway found funding.

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For their storm brand improvement project, so so so we did separate them out as two separate projects.

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At at that point in time, the main street engineering work was two to three months.

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Ahead of springfield avenue with jmt, and we also realized cost savings by using the.

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Same consulting form that the state used rknk for their storm drainage, improvement, work so.

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So so we, the coordination effort, was, was maximized by having the same consulting firm.

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Both do both the water and sewer main project, as well as the storm drain, that there were numerous.

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Conflicts of that would have had been worked out between two separate consulting firms.

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The scope of work is as outlined on the briefing paper and includes major water.

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And sewer improvements along springfield avenue from the intersection with spout hill and main.

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Street and continuing eastward to warfield road and again this project will require my.

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Staff's ongoing coordination and outreach with the town of sykesville, as well as construction.

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Coordination with the state highway and their planned springfield avenue storm range.

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Improvement project, one of the major benefits of the county's two projects is that the low bidder on both of these projects.

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Is the same contractor, so our coordination will be straightforward. Any questions for me.

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I'm with the board of commissioners award contract for the construction of the sykesville maryland.

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851 springfield avenue water and sewer main improvements project to rivers, construction group.

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In the amount of two million two hundred ninety three thousand five hundred seventy five dollars.

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A second, I got a motion in a couple of seconds: any discussion, all in favor, aye.

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Okay: let's talk about the main street water and sewer main improvement project.

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10 spending authority approval gentlemen two items ago during the award of the main street.

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Construction project conversation you heard me speak about the volatile construction world.

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That presently exists and concerns with regards to pipe materials and abrupt price increases and.

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You heard the very similar things mentioned in item one today with respect to fiber optic.

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That that same problem does exist in the in the water and sewer main pipe world too. In view of.

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This and as per the briefing paper, the bureau is requesting a 10 percent spending authority.

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Approval above the awarded contract value of the sykesville main street water and sewer main.

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Improvements project to allow construction activity to seamlessly continue in the.

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Event of escalating material costs or enforcing circumstances beyond the control of the contractor.

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With the approval and approve with the review and approval by bureau staff, uh the the the.

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Resolution 951 2015 currently limits the direct republic works to a collective change order, value.

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Of the lesser of either of one hundred thousand dollars or ten percent of the total contract award.

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With respect to the current construction climate and the volatile price increases.

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The bureau is requesting a 10 contingency value of seventy four thousand five hundred eighty six.

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Dollars and fifty cents be approved by the board. This is consistent with construction practices.

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For larger scale, projects like this main street project, the combined value of the awarded contract.

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And this requested, 10 value is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

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The bureau has discussed this approach with the opposite management and budget and has.

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Their approval as well or has their support, and, to summarize your approval of this request.

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Would be a pre-authorization to spend up to the 10 percent request a dollar value without reappearing.

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Before the board in open session, any change to the original construction contract would still.

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Be processed through budget and procurement as a formal change order, I would be re required.

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To appear before the board for for board approval for any expenditure in excess of this.

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In the event that the 10 threshold value is reached, have we s? Have we done this before.

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We are setting a precedent and it's pretty significant precedent with a 10 I mean.

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Just in the cost itself, you know we have a responsibility, not that I don't have.

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Complete and total faith in you and our team, but we just have to if we're going forward with this.

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Understand the president that we're setting you know and allowing us and and that's okay, I'm just.

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But it's significant, I think the precedent is not the ten percent. The precedent is the amount.

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Because it was ten percent or a hundred thousand dollars, or whatever was less so. This is a this is.

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Sold ten percent, but you you realize it's going to be over a hundred thousand dollars. That's.

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The only difference so we've allowed ten percent prior if it was a hundred thousand dollars less.

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Sorry, I don't understand your question. We've allowed um directorates to you, know directors.

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Do not need to come before you if it's under a hundred thousand, if it's under a hundred thousand.

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Or ten percent, if, if the project's not over a million dollars right right, so so the president.

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Really is going above, the 100 000 right, mark yeah and getting pre-approval for it. The concern is.

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The timing- and it's happened before, where they've actually had to uh staff, have actually had to.

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Authorize change orders because it would cost you, you know the county way more and then they.

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Run into open session as soon as possible um after that, to get the you know, post approval, so they're.

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Just trying to avoid that well I understand again: I'm not I'm gonna recommend approval. I.

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Just want to make sure we all understand, at least I believe, right, that this is a change.

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To a procedure that we have in place, this makes it very easy to contractor just to bump some up.

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Maybe not that 10 a couple extra percent on this without coming back, it's a very easy process. Once.

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This is that's. That's that's part of what our staff does is make sure that that's on point with.

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Our expectations, and actually what they are requesting is legitimate uh for for this contract.

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Commissioner weaver we we, we have approximately 25 to 30 items, it's not a.

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A blanket dollar amount we are going to be very cautious and careful with what we approve.

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My staff and I will absolutely I'll review it with a fine-tooth comb. It's not going to be.

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Free available money for the contractor for lack of a better way of saying that.

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I'm confident of that for this, but again that's the depressing that we're going forward with that.

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If we allow it here, like you said, others may not necessarily just say well, they could.

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Take advantage of understanding that, uh if I could say, um uh if that's if that's gonna, if.

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That will be the board's uh vote on this. I'm not saying that it will be or not. Please.

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Bear with me, when I take on the responsibility of instructing the contractor to move forward on.

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Certain items, rather than risk losing him from the from the work site there are going to be.

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This is a very delicate project on a very old roadway in sykesville, we're confident.

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That the plans have been done very well very nicely, but when we start opening the road up.

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There are unknowns that we are going to likely get and I can't afford to stop work with the.

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Genocide spills anxiety over this project and everything else that we're working towards right.

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I think we have a fairly unique situation here with regard to this and although we've never.

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Gotten this sort of pre-approval for the overage. I think the uniqueness of the situation um warrants.

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It in this case that would be my personal opinion also. This delegation of authority resolution that.

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Andy refers to is seven years old now and it's uh a little long in the teeth, and this is one.

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Aspect of there's there staff will be bringing a updated delegation of authority to you for.

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Probably the end of july- and this is one aspect- that we we hope to change- are we putting a cap.

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On the dollar amount, yeah there'll still be a cap yeah. It's just this ten percent.

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In whichever is lesser is, is very complicated for um procurement and staff to work with so.

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We're we're suggesting a different approach going forward, so I don't. I don't anticipate.

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You'll ever have this kind of request again, so I'm not worried about the presidential va that nature.

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I can ensure you, you will never have the request again, it's been a while, since I've.

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Heard long in the teeth, good call, okay, I'll move support, approved, 10 or 174.

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586.50 spending authority above the value of the awarded main street water and sewer improvements.

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Construction contract second.

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I got a motion out of a second any discussion on this. All in favor, aye, aye, aye,.

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Contain your again, I apologize against 4-1 and you're, asking for the same request for 10 on.

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The second project correct that is correct, okay, same rationale: in this instance, the 10.

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Value would would amount to 229 357.50.

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So you just said it wouldn't come before us again. I lied clearly come on.

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Okay, you understand in the same rationale where the border approved 10 or 209 229 357.50.

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Spending authority above the value of the awarded springfield avenue water and sewer improvements.

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Construction project, construction contract second got a motion and a second any discussion on this.

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All in favor aye against, okay, 4-1, okay. Gentlemen, no! No! Thank you. I appreciate that. That's.

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It is a precedent and more or less yeah yeah, oh yeah, okay, uh what's your name chris, any callers.

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uh I think we'll rip taylor on the line to wish uh mr burke a happy birthday. Okay, is there somebody.

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On the line just kidding nobody's on the line, okay, I think he just dated himself with that.

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Red tail wow. Actually I always heard rip. I thought he said rick at first I was like who's rick taylor.

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He always threw stuff around taylor's awesome. Okay, anything for open admin. Was he an attorney.

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He showed one of johnny carson's show.

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Anything for open admin- okay, wanda wanna, come on up.

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Before this completely gets out of hand monday july 4th, once again, the county offices excuse.

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Me are closed, an observance of independence day. I know there are a lot of events happening between.

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This saturday and july 4th so hopefully weather will.

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Be good and people will get out and be with family and friends tuesday. We have nothing scheduled.

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Wednesday july 6 there's a planning commission virtual yeah canceled.

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There is nothing scheduled for wednesday july 6th on, except on thursday july 7th.

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We have open session go through a little bit of priority carol. Then we have merger.

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Of services provided by carroll county, oh at the uh recovery support services facility, they.

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Do a great job at rss uh proposed use of nine carroll funding uh regarding the commitment for.

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Opioid issues in fiscal year, 2023 fy21 concurrency management report.

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We're going to hear some proposed amendments to chapter 153 that deal with.

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Floodplain management, along with chapter 38, that deal with the floodplain construction. We will.

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Listen to and discuss potential amendments to chapter 154, the water resource management.

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And then proposed amendments to chapter 150 that deal with agricultural agriculture excuse.

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Me, forestry and natural resource conservation, and then we are looking at the creation of chapter 159.

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Which deals with agricultural land preservation.

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And chapter 160 the right to farm- maybe we just have chris hines sit up here with us friday,.

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Nothing scheduled saturday, nothing scheduled. Commissioner boucher has the podcast on the 10th.

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The following week, transit advisory council meeting down in room 105, commissioner frazier.

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3 pm on monday, tuesday july 12th, I will be attending the ag center board meeting.

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At 7 pm wednesday, nothing scheduled thursday. We go into open session.

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First, the sheriff and his team will talk about the opioid exam and treatment grant and award.

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Acceptance we'll then have fy 23, sheriff's overtime, grant and awards award acceptance.

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I.T will come in to talk about cisco hyperflex subscription renewal.

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And then we'll have a 2021 planning annual report from ms eisenberg and her planning team.

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A mid-cycle review from ms eisenberg now be it so far for that morning, on friday.

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Commissioner, wants will be attending the baltimore metropolitan council board of directors meeting.

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At 9 00 a.m and in 4 p.m. Commissioner, boucher and frazier will be attending the family summer bash.

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Sun at the summer at the sports, complex excuse me and I believe.

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Commissioner, frazier will be in the dunk tank. I will be hopefully not in the dung tank, but I'm.

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Sitting above I have to think about this, I might join you. I did this once before.

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As long as the weather's not cold, well, it's I'm hoping the same, but and I've done it.

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Before but you know very big of you by the way I have a fence in front of me, I feel protected.

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Okay saturday, we have nothing saturday I have the podcast. Did I miss anything at this time.

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Once again, uh you know it was mentioned earlier: civic duty early voting is 7th through 14th.

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And then the primary election day is the 19th of july.

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I need a motion. We don't have any clues for anything right.

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