Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 14 Jul 2022

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You shop, everybody's out everywhere.

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Nice tie sir. Thank you.

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Next month, you have power.

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Commissioner, ed rothstein thursday july 14th, I think we have a relatively.

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Full agenda but we're going to get through it.

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As always, let's uh please stand for the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence.

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Pledge allegiance to the life of the united states of america and to the.

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Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay: okay, let's jump right into uh prior to caroline, I think I know what's on.

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A lot of our minds, but uh let's start with commissioner, wants really commissioners.

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What uh I'll not be able to show any pictures, I'm down in the control room.

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Okay, I think, commissioner, wants to share his views on what's going on yeah without pictures right.

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My whole presentation was about talking about photos, but whatever.

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Yeah yeah, um okay, uh obviously, as you say, the storms on everybody's minds.

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Still in the cleanup mode, I want to give a huge shout out to uh all the first responders. They.

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Did an amazing job, uh certainly our dpw folks that were out there and they're still out there.

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um I came up a couple roads into here this morning to see what they were like and still.

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Battle zones everywhere, so it's uh I've got a lot of roads in my district that are just one lane.

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So I want to remind folks to be patient, we're getting to as many as they can and.

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I don't know what to say about bge, I think I'll. Just let that go.

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They've got a lot of issues, not only here, but I know, harford county was hit pretty hard too.

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I talked to barry glassman last night briefly and they've got a lot of issues up there too.

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But we got a lot of folks that are still out and I suspect, we'll be out for a while.

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And so we're our emergency management is here. If you need assistance, uh the red cross reached out.

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I hooked them up with valerie hawkins last evening, so we've got all the resources so.

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If you're, if you're in a jam, uh certainly get a hold of emergency management folks here and.

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We'll see where it goes, hopefully we'll get out of this thing soon, I'm one of those folks I have.

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Day three of no power, so that's the way. You know it's the way, we're rolling right now, so.

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um Working together, we'll get out of this a couple quick things for me.

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I had the opportunity on tuesday to go down and meet with oscar baker.

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On mount airy, as many of you know, oscar turned 100 a couple weeks ago, oscar without a whole lot of.

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Saying a whole lot more about oscar, I mean he was instrumental in in.

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In in creating a lot of the things that we are seeing now.

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uh In the fire and ems here in the county he's past president association past president of.

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The state firemen's association and I got to tell you oscar- is sharp as attack. He was.

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He was throwing out names and he had director mike robinson back in his chair a little bit because he.

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Was throwing names out from mike's previous uh employments in anne arundel and baltimore and.

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It's unbelievable how how amazing oscar is with with all of that, so there you go.

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All that we're back so there we are, uh that was at lorien down in mount airy on tuesday.

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That's some of the baker family there with mike robinson and I uh but um oscar is- is an.

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Amazing, individual and uh he's got a I'm gonna get this wrong. I think he's got a nephew who's.

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95 and his wife is 96, so I don't know what's in the water in mount airy, but.

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It's it's interesting and another fact that folks don't know about oscar is he was the.

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One that started that senior assisted living area in mount airy. He was the first house in that area.

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And then it grew from there to the fact that they now have lorien, where you can move out.

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Of your house and right in delorean on the same property. So anyway, it was a great experience and.

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I can't say enough about oscar baker and the baker family. One day when you're 100.

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You'll be honored like that as well, and you'll be just as sharp yeah right. I don't know about.

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That, um but it is amazing, so uh that and uh the uh community center up in silver run.

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Is moving right along uh it's interesting to see steel in the air up there if you've been by nine.

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If you've been by that area on 97, it sat empty for so long and now, when you go by you're like.

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Whoa wait a minute, so I stopped in talked to the contractors. Yesterday, man they're moving quick.

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So that's going to be a great facility and we look forward to what that brings to that area up there.

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And then I don't know if anybody else has this, but we are again the lowest.

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We have the lowest unemployment ranking in the state, we're 2.8.

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Tied with queen anne's and we finally beat howard, did you see that ed I did calvin ball's always.

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Yapping about you know, well we're right there with you. Well, we beat him. You know so anyway,.

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Speaking eloquently is what you're saying absolutely yeah yeah yeah. It's a competition.

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Anyway, that's that's it. For me, uh everyone just have patience and and again uh from all of us.

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Thank you to everybody that um was out in amongst all of this.

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uh The sheriff's sitting here I know his his group was out big time. Our.

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Fire and ems 911 hundreds of calls, so uh once again we we uh we weathered the storm. If you will so a little bit.

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More to go, but thank you to everybody that was out there and continues to be out there.

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To make sure we're safe, so yeah, that's enough said on that. Okay, commissioner fisher.

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Well, I just want to say something else about that: just tremendous cleanup job in carroll county it.

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Really is, and not just the county municipalities as well, because they were all hit and they they've.

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Done, they've done a really really good job and I'll leave it that, since we were just talked.

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About for a while, um we had the ribbon cutting for veterans memorial park. I don't know if we're.

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Gonna have any pictures or anything or not, I'm not sure. What's going to happen with that, but.

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uh It's a, I think, it's 33 acre park, it's it's! It's it's a gem down there. It really is- and I remember.

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A few years ago going to one of the community meetings and there were people that, as as with.

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Everything comes up, people didn't wanted people to pose to people to worry about, and all the concerns.

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Were put out there and they were what happened. Was there was open communication between our parks and.

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Rec department and the communities and things got moved forward because of that- and it's just.

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When you actually talk to people and find out what the concerns are and how we can best handle them,.

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Things move forward so now you got this really really nice park down here. I'm glad it's open.

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There's going to be some additions to that park coming up in the future, and this is a passive park.

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There's a nice walking trail, there's open fields, there's a um I guess. You call it a playground.

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I don't know what they call it nowadays, because it's not like it used to be, but anyway, playground.

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And that kind of top whatever they call it now, and so it was really nice and.

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All the commissioners were there and someone from uh mr cardin's office was there. I don't have her.

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Name in front of me, so I I apologize, but it was there as well, so it was really nice ribbon. Cutting.

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And there were veterans there as well, so it was a nice ceremony. Also, I was at the opioid prevention.

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Coalition meeting it was virtual; they basically was just a year in summary of things that they had.

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Accomplished the grants and all that they have received- and they were very very appreciative.

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Of how we used our non-carol money for the um rapid response, trans uh can't even think.

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Of the name of it now and I had it written down, but I cross it off and also for the.

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After school programs, we use the money for those two things, and they were very appreciative because.

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They're looking to prevent opioid addiction and just not just opioids but other drugs as well.

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And they say highly recommend it using the money for those two mobile crisis.

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There you go. Thank you mobile crisis teams that were out there. So at the end of the.

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End of the year thing with them was was very good, um also had a transit advisory council meeting.

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Ridership is up about 40 over what it was this time last year under demand response.

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Which sounds really good, except that's still nowhere near what it was before covet. It's.

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I mean we're getting in a week what ridership used to be in the day before covet, and I think.

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People are still worried about covet and and the repercussions, but also, I think it's also because.

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Of the the telehealth, a lot of people used to go to their doctors and take the transit to there.

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But they don't have to do that as often right now because of telehealth. I think that's and.

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That's here to stay, we'll see how that works out with our transit. uh You know with our.

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Our system, but I think that might be all I have um oh the summer family summer bash- is at the.

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Carroll county sports complex tomorrow from four to nine, be there I will be in.

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The dunk tank at six to six thirty get your tickets early. I heard there's gonna be a line.

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I'll be in that line, and that is all I do have. Thank you very much.

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Okay, commissioner weaver uh yeah, just uh first of all, with the westminster veterans memorial park,.

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If we can keep commissioner boucher out of thought lot, one of the uh I guess biggest uh things, the.

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Park or the uh memorial park is still gardens are gonna, be uh are designed, they haven't been.

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Finished yet but uh beautiful park uh I was glad to uh be part of the ribbon cutting and I guess.

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The uh you know I want to mention the hamster got hit pretty hard and north of it with the.

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Storm everybody over there is still without power. A lot of people may be for several days yet, but.

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The fire police county employees everybody's working together to uh uh pull this together and.

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Keep in mind, our landfill is going to be uh quite uh inundated with uh debris here, so be just be.

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Patient now, a commercial message here: the spotted lanternfly is uh an invasive species coming into.

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Into the united states, it's into pennsylvania above us.

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This is almost like the marmalade stink bug that came in started in china. We went to, I think japan.

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South korea and has found its way into the united states, uh they are on the outlook for it right now,.

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In carroll county, uh the fly is in the uh you see it that spotted uh endeavor.

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Or the way they look, whether it's the adult or the young adult, and if you see one, you need to notify.

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The extension service or some someone in the county here once they get established, they become.

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uh Terrible on fruit, uh vegetables uh they're an insect that actually causes the gall.

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On the uh fruit, and then it actually creates a honeydew that turns into a black soot that.

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Just ruins the fruit and the stem on the plants, so it's one that we want to be on the outlook for.

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If you see one commissioner boucher has a bounty on the first one found in carroll county, so so.

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Please contact somebody. Let us know that either the county myself extension agent.

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Nrcs, if you see one, you even suspect what it is find a jar put it in.

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They're hoping to try to uh isolate carroll county but like most things that isn't going to happen so.

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It's it's not when it's it's not if it's when I think you're going to see it and carol so and it.

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Could be devastating to uh the fruit and vegetable industry here in the county, so just be aware of it.

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Okay, okay, commissioner boucher. Thank you, as commissioner weaver mentioned, keep me out of tot.

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Lot advice: anyone out there if you're a grown man and you go down a spiral slide, don't have dress.

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Shoes then you'll get hung up inside of it had a lot of fun. At that event, I want to reiterate.

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Commissioner lance's appreciation to the roads department, it is very dangerous to be out there.

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On the roads running chainsaws, they worked very hard. I know I had to clean up a tree this week and.

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I felt beat up for two days afterwards, so, thanks to all the men and women out there, in addition to.

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The emergency services this past weekend, I attended the union mills, 225th anniversary.

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What a wonderful venue that is, and this weekend is their civil war encampment, hopefully they'll.

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Be shooting off cannons and commissioner lance will hear it at his house great event bring your.

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Kids out they have a lot of interactive stuff for children to engage. They can dress up as soldiers.

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Or act like they're, removing both bullets from bones very great event and educational also, I want.

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To give a big shout out to the orioles out there, they've won 10 in a row they're above 500 for.

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The first time I think, four years in july, so go o's, also wish all my fellow french americans out.

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There happy bastille today today is the basically the fourth of july for france and for all those.

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People are hard on the french. If it wasn't for the french, we would have no united states of america.

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It was a french that provided us with the infantry the navy to arms, to trap cornwallis at yorktown.

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And it was a french navy at the battle of capes and chesapeake that trapped him there. So I give a.

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Big shout out to all the french people out. There live in the united states and I think that will.

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Wrap it up. Thank you very much. Okay, um a couple things uh first, appreciation to uh my colleagues.

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And the staff, and all my friends and family, as you know, my dad passed last week and the.

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Reason I serve is because of how this community embraces each other during these challenging times.

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And during that time another friend passed, and so my dad's passing, was very sorrowful.

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This friend was 53 and that's really tragic and he's larger than life, to say the least. um In fact,.

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The reason I'm wearing a tie, which everyone knows I do not like to wear uh ties around this time.

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It's uh blue and gold. It's uh la rams and this guy was a die-hard avid la rams fan, to say the least.

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In fact, the service today people will be wearing la rams and orioles. You know type of.

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I will say paraphernalia whatever shirts and jerseys.

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But just again embracing people that are in times of need is what we do best here in carroll county.

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Also in times of need, we have the hot weather shelters starting to open up across the county.

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Across the community, if we see someone that is in need, get them to a hot weather, shelter.

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Please, whether it's at the libraries or the senior centers.

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That's what they're there to do uh is to is to provide comfort for those that are. uh You know in.

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In some concern so keep those that need shelter and give them shelter. The last thing I want.

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To share is- and it's pretty good segue, because we have the sheriff coming up in a in a second.

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Is during cabinet meeting is brought to my attention, I think, by jenny, about fraud.

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And um there seems to be a lot of fraud issues that are still really ongoing, um especially with.

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Our seniors and uh it hits them on the internet, it hits them on emails, it hits them on telephones.

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Where they don't know where to turn, so I'm asking our guys to work with you, the sheriff and coming.

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Out again and continuingly to teach and tell our community what to do. You know where to turn.

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And how to get the message out? Because it's disgusting, how folks take advantage of others when.

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It comes to fraud and they make it sound so real that people are just sending thousands of dollars.

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You know, unfortunately so, um but I think that is actually to me a good segue and get you up here.

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And we have a couple issues where the sheriff's going to talk. The first is the acceptance of the.

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Opioid use disorder, exam and treatment grant sure good morning. Thank you for all you've.

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They crush us on a daily basis, but one of the big things now that we're seeing is facebook.

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um You'll get a message or messenger that appears to come from a friend that that's in your facebook.

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Account that says: hey how are you doing today and then they start by saying I need a little bit of.

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Help and then before long you're sending money away so there's so many different scams out there.

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That you're right, they target the elderly from predominantly um mrs mcdonald, will go ahead and.

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Start the the information on the grant and I'll answer. Whatever questions you guys have.

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So the carroll county sheriff's office was awarded an opioid use, disorder, exam and treatment grant.

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To implement the requirements of maryland house bill, 116.

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Which requires local detention centers to begin providing various services by january 2023.

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So in your briefing you'll see the list of different things.

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It includes assessments, counseling services, medications, evaluate evaluations and treatments.

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Various kinds of training, counseling re-entry plans once they prepare to.

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Finish up their sentence and time and attention center how to transition them out as they go.

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So this grant had a maximum amount of water, five hundred thousand dollars we put in for more. We.

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Couldn't get any more, it is a two-year grant. This is the first time it has come about, so it was not.

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Known at the time this house bill has been out, it has gone through some iterations, but it has.

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Various requirements, reporting requirements, things that the detention centers are required to provide.

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Some of the items that are included are for staffing for additional medical.

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Staff needed to administer the program also for additional overtime.

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Schedules, if you will so that you need to have some of our deputies with the medical.

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Staff in the area building out of space buying the equipment for the first time.

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And then partnering with our current medical provider for additional staff medications. We also.

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Will be working with various stakeholders, such as the health department, access carroll? We have a lot.

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Of work to do there's a lot of planning involved. The goal is to have everything in place so that.

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We're able to start providing it in january of 23.. Thank you very much real quick as you.

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Know it's a january 23 mandate and typically the mandates out of annapolis are unfunded.

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um I'd say typically, all of them are generally unfunded. In this case, we get a grant through the.

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Opioid command center. Now it's a two-year grant. We don't know, what's going to happen after the.

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Two years, we're hoping that they supply us with another grant that we can reapply for.

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Once we've honed the program and got the finances exactly to what they are um but but if not then.

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Then the next board is going to have to look at how to pick pick this up and continue with it.

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This is kind of reversal into on how we work, so we we're we fight to keep um suboxone methadone.

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Buprenorphine, any maintenance drug really out of the jail now we're going to bring bring it in and.

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And identify individuals that uh that would um be a part of this program to administer the the.

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Methadone uh buprenorphine or suboxone too, and so as opposed to we do medical runs every morning and.

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um I'll take a a wild guess. I these guys give me briefings every morning on the population and who.

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Who, in the jail is, is getting some sort of medication? Roughly 80 85 percent of.

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The individuals that are in our jail are being visited, um buy a cart every morning.

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In a housing unit and are receiving some sort of medication um from tylenol all the way up to.

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Some sort of drug- that's that's there to to help with an ailment, and um so, in this case,.

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This has got to be a room. That's set up so that we we can't just cart stuff around the jail and.

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And this sort of substance around the jail we've got to bring inmates to us, which is different than.

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What we do on a on a daily basis in the jail we visit, the housing units and and visit each.

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Inmate so now we've got to move inmates about and if there's 30, 40, 50 or half of the jail that that.

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Can participate in this program, I've got to have staff to move and inmate.

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Securely from one location to another, get them back to a housing unit.

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So it's a little bit more cumbersome than just saying: let's go ahead and start an mat program.

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Supply these drugs and then and then administer it. That's a it's a little bit more than that and then.

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Again, you don't just give someone a maintenance drug without um trying to look at the long term.

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Of how do we wean them off of that maintenance drug, and what do we do with them when we.

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When they leave the jail- and who do we hand them off to so that they can continue the.

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Treatment, but not just treatment, but job placement re-entry everything that has to do with re-entry.

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And so it's a it's a big program. It's not an easy program to administer, but um mrs mcdonald's.

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Excellent looking at these these uh grants and trying to maximize every dollar that we can and.

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Get everything that we can out of it, and so um we believe we're off to the to the races on this. But.

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It's going to take a little bit of time to to get it up and running. My staff will tell me that they.

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Believe, somewhere between 30 and 40 inmates right now would be able to participate in the program.

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um And you don't just walk in and say start giving me suboxone, methadone or anything like that. This.

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Is a this is a an evaluation that needs to be done before that can that can take place.

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Commissioner, I'm sorry, you know how personal this issue is: yeah myself and many other people.

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Out there and you basically answered what I was going to ask about, and I must say I I've been a.

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Big fan of both you and former stationary brian d, leonardo, when you ran for office eight years ago,.

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You came forward with a very progressive way to address this and I think it's working, I'm.

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Glad to see we have this is usually this might be the first contact of someone going into recovery.

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Through your institution and the fact that we're looking at this issue, this way is very.

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Very smart, having had a daughter who suffered from this and died, I wish that there was more programs.

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Like this available years ago and you've watched over the last eight years, how this epidemic.

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Has progressed and evolved in our community and I think it's gotten worse over the last couple years.

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So this is very timely and I applaud everyone in your apartment for doing this and with that.

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I'd like the honor of making a motion, if it's all right with you, please, I move the board of county.

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Commissioners except the opioid use, disorder, exam and treatment grant a second okay. I got a motion.

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And a couple of seconds um out of all of the breakdown of how the funds are going to be used.

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You know how are some of this going to be sustained when this grant is no longer available.

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To us, and have you prioritized if you cannot get money via grant, how are you going to request a.

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Budget for yourself, that's a good question. I've already been probably for the past. You've got a.

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Genie in a bottle on that one we'll take it we've we talked to heidi our analyst all the time and.

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She knows that that this is a two-year grant and that we've got to start looking at it with ted's.

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Office should that grant not be renewable in two years. um I certainly hope the next administration.

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That comes in down in annapolis is willing to to keep it going, but but you're going to be saddled.

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With the burden at some point, it's not it's a legislative mandate that we can't can't walk.

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Away from so vicky talks to her regularly about it, we started with the grants office as well back.

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In the early spring, just looking at what should we put in? What do we think we need to put in so.

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Obviously, all the one-time purchases try to get them and get them covered. The ongoing is tough.

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And there's still a lot of planning. So while we did our best estimating as to what things would be.

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We probably have six to eight meetings with various stakeholders over the next few months.

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To start looking at what are the best solutions, short term and long term, how do we partner what's.

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The best way to manage this, we there's a lot of other people now that have to come into this.

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Outside of the detention center and within the community, so as you've already stated this morning,.

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That's one of the great things about carroll county, everyone's more than willing to step up.

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So can other places get grants, so it's not just this grant. So that's with looking short-term.

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And long-term, are there other areas for up? You know other opportunities in the out years for.

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Other types of funding you know: what can access carol do? What can the health department do? What.

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Can all these other? You know partners that we need to work with do so. A lot of it is planning.

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And discussion looking with our current medical provider, they also have people on staff that are.

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Doing this around the state, so that is not their first rodeo, which is a great thing for us, because.

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We're looking to them for guidance, what are you seeing? What are you seeing what's working.

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So a lot of it's a lot of planning a lot of communication right now and then also seeing where.

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We're going to be with what we estimated, because these are estimates with it being a max. We, we knew.

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We, you know, we weren't in a position to be down to the penny, and it's too early to tell because.

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You just don't know how it's going to work out, um but at least this gets us going. You know well.

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Into fy 23 into fy 24, but then preparing for the out years, so that we have some better information.

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As we work with grants office in the budget office to see what we think it's going to, you.

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Know actually cost over time. The cost of the drugs is going to be the um the issue in the future to.

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Give you an example: we we there's a uh vivitrol is a as a drug that we can administer in the jail.

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I think at one point we started out six hundred dollars for a shot for that. It's up to.

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Thirteen hundred dollars now for one shot and it's a 28 28 day shot. So I mean the drug.

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Costs are going to go through the roof and unfortunately um because it's a mandate, the.

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Drug companies really are going to capitalize on this because they know we've got to buy.

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One of these three substances- and so that's going to be the the the future of what what it's going.

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To cost to buy these drugs and how are we going to get the money to do it? I mean I'm.

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Positive I'm for this. It's just you know you mentioned the out years and, as you know, that.

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Was the biggest struggle we had? You know working this year next year, following year, we got it's.

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Those out years that, um but I think we have strong support in annapolis, then then we can continue to.

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Push that we need to make sure that that these things are funded for locals like us, I don't.

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It's got to be that way. I don't know how they can continue to saddle us with.

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A million here- a million there constantly yes well there, and you know the funny thing about.

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This is the state the state's not mandated for this, so it's only local jurisdictions.

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When I say the state, if they leave my jail and go to a state correctional facility,.

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They're not mandated now. How does that happen? Oh, I I get you it's just, uh but you know to.

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To say that things can't be mandated and unfunded: oh, we know we live it every day. I agree with you.

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Body, worn camera all this other stuff that we're doing. I agree with you, but this is.

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This is something that's obviously affecting every jurisdiction around the state, including the people.

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That that that mandate, this stuff and and so hopefully there's strong representation down there.

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To continue this, this grant funding. I I would hope that the that it's less than 500 000, like mrs.

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Mcdonald said we're looking at front-ending all the one-time stuff so that we don't have to buy.

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These things in our years and then we just deal with with personnel and and medication as we move.

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Forward so well, I think to add to that working with all these stakeholders, then you do get a.

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Bigger voice, so it's not just one. You know not just the sheriff's office that looking around at.

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All the people that are involved so that you have a bigger voice to say, hey, look. We need to continue.

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Funding from different angles, which can only help that it's not just one area, so that's all we can.

H

You know work with everybody's on the same page, advocating for the same needs now and later to.

H

Keep that in the forefront and one last thing we are seeing the numbers go down um and and that's.

G

This month you know- and that's so far six months this year and.

G

And I don't live on a month-to-month cycle when it comes to opioid numbers. You just can't do that, but.

G

We are seeing a decrease in numbers, I mean, um but a lot of that is the the education and prevention.

G

Efforts that we've been doing over the last several years hopefully continue to see the.

G

Decrease it's in the teens for, for um you know, overdoses and it's in the teens for deaths and so.

G

um Okay, what we're doing is working and the addiction does not respect political.

F

Jurisdictions, it's everyone's problem. When people see what's going on in baltimore city, that.

F

Inadvertently affects us as well, so it's all of us in this together, I'm no longer floored.

G

By what I hear anymore or who I hear is addicted by it, it doesn't floor me it's just like. Let's.

G

Let's just let's move, let's get them to where we got to get them and figure it out.

G

Are you going to be looking at I'm assuming you look at additional personnel for the counseling.

E

Services and so forth that this also that's part of this is right, so those are ongoing.

E

Expenses that once you hire somebody, you hope to keep that person here if they work out well,.

G

Yeah, we wouldn't hire them, it would be through our medical provider or it would be through.

G

Access carroll, health department or other places that we can find where there's counseling, but.

H

We'd be looking to contract out or it could come through. Yes, that we're just partnering.

H

With other people- and they provide those services right, part of the fun of looking.

G

At that's the key to all that really I mean the maintenance. Drug is one thing, and that sounds.

G

But there's another there's 30 pieces to that that hopefully make it work, so these numbers keep.

G

Decreasing right- and that's also, the key to my concern- is that ongoing dollars for counseling and.

D

You know especially getting past 24 into 25 26., but I think that hopefully, by the end of this.

G

This grant period we'll have some better finite costs. On on what it's going to take to do this and.

G

So we asked for the max they gave us everything. Vicki asked for so this symbolizes, the humanity.

F

Of your department, by the way it's everybody really, I mean I'm real seriously eric I mean.

G

He doesn't recall yesterday we were all on it and and there's 50 people on that call from every.

G

Organization known to man in this county, that's trying to combat this, and and so there's so many.

G

Entities trying to combat it, we're just at in one one small facet of it that we can affect, but.

G

But and the guys in the jail and the girls in the jail and the people to come in and support us.

G

Outstanding, I mean how they lost power to yesterday or two days ago and they're working.

G

Off of a generator and candles and flashlights and everything else that we're working off of.

G

But but the level of respect and the things that are going on in the jail they have such.

G

A grasp, and even the inmates understand and and work with us to try and try and figure it out so.

G

um It's a it's a it's a good group and and they're going to do the right thing with this.

G

And a lot of support coming from the outside, so thank you very much.

D

Okay, anything else got in motion in a couple seconds all in favor, okay,.

G

We've got one other one other issue that is a match for uh dealing with overtime, so the.

H

Carroll county sheriff's office received several grants that provide overtime to.

H

Sheriff's office personnel to work on specific issues impacting the safety of carroll county.

H

These grants provide a valuable supplement to the work of the sheriff's office, so the county.

H

Match the county cash match is required for grants that do not allow the cost of payroll taxes to be.

H

Requested for reimbursement, so it is budgeted in fy23, so we do work with the budget office.

H

Looking through and forecasting out what the grants will be and which ones we cannot request.

H

The payroll taxes, for so the estimated county match, is forty three hundred and thirty dollars.

H

And as I mentioned, that is already um included in the budget and then the overtime grants as a.

H

Total are about 165 000 that we receive, and these are like highway safety grants, um sex offender.

G

Registry uh all the things that just supplement, what we're doing on a regular basis that.

G

That you guys hear about so again, it's it's budgeted is the account. Is the estimated.

E

County match a not to exceed amount or just the ballpark amount it would. It could be considered.

H

A not to exceed because, for example, if we don't depending on how the calculations are, it may not.

H

Go up to that amount depending on the activity. Some of our overtime grants are related to cases.

H

So we we are budgeted in a grant like, let's say up to twelve thousand dollars, or maybe we.

H

Only need ten, so yes, it is, you can consider it not to exceed okay, that fica guy yeah.

G

I forget about him. Thank god. I got her an id yeah. No, I know you won't remember.

E

I make the motion that we approve the county uh match for sheriff's office overtime, grants.

E

Second motion: second, any discussion seen here: none all in favor.

D

Aye aye, aye and I'll see you guys a little bit later on. I promise you're a threat both.

D

Okay, miss hobbs when you come on up and let's talk about resolution declaring the county's official.

D

Intent to reimburse expenditures with debt proceeds, I always have the exciting stuff. Yes,.

F

We'll contain our excitement over here: okay, okay, um good morning, commissioners, we are before you.

I

Or I should say I'm for you, nobody else up here with a resolution to declare the county's official.

I

Intent to reimburse expenditures with debt proceeds following the recent adoption of the.

I

Fy 23 budget res resolution is to be approved by the board of commissioners, declaring the county's.

I

Intent to reimburse the cip, which is the community investment plan, expenditures that are intended.

I

To be funded with debt proceeds it, the resolution is necessary to meet the internal revenue code.

I

Regulations for tax-exempt bonds and to mainta maintain that status as tax-exempt.

I

The resolution covers twenty eight million four hundred forty nine dollars or I'm sorry. Twenty.

I

Eight million four hundred forty nine thousand nine hundred and forty five dollars of protected.

I

Bond funding, which is equal to what was in the community investment plan, fy 23 budget.

I

I can go through the amount by function for general government, roads, bridges, public schools.

I

Conservation and open space, culture and recreation for more details, which we have.

I

Included in your packets there and for the public, they can actually go on the county's website.

I

And look at the adopted community investment plan and look at the pages that have bond funding for.

I

Each project, so it's a little more detailed on those projects. This resolution neither authorizes.

I

Or creates an obligation to issue debt, it's just saying that we can reimburse ourselves using debt.

I

And having the tax-exempt status, so the resolution has been reviewed by the county attorney's office.

I

For legal sufficiency and I move that the board commissioners adopt the resolution.

I

Declaring the official attempt to reimburse for um with debt proceeds.

F

That was very exciting and technical, so this is where the mouth comes. In I'm sorry mouth.

D

Dollars come in the mouth mouth. This is just us issuing. This is in order for us to issue.

I

The bonds, when we do an issuance which we'll be getting ready to when we go to the credit rating.

I

Agencies, this is for us to be able to say we can reimburse ourselves and maintain a.

I

Tax-Exempt status for anyone that invests in those bonds, so it's not the breakdown of.

D

The different areas that you have behind this it is for that it matches the fy23 okay.

I

Okay, I did, and then this is just the bond funding portion. Okay,.

F

I moved that the board of county commissioners approved the resolution declaring the.

F

County's official intent to reimburse expenditures or debt proceeds. Second,.

D

Okay, are there any questions on this and a strong understanding of what's been said.

D

Okay, seeing hearing none all in favor, all right, hi.

I

Thank you. Thank you, miss hockey. Okay, let's talk about what do we want to talk about.

B

A scale recommendations.

D

This could be fun, it could be. A week ago, commissioners I came in, and I told you I was.

J

Excited about what we were going to talk about, and I got some funny looks you always because.

J

I'm even more excited today and.

J

You can tell that because I didn't even bring my mountain dew with me. You already jacked up on it.

J

So we're here again continuing our conversation about concerns about recruiting.

J

Retaining county employees and the impact on our ability to maintain services.

J

And talked about this a number of times, but I want to go back to that idea again. So people understand.

J

Our big driver here is worrying about how do we continue to maintain the services that.

J

You're looking to offer and that the people are expecting to receive, you can't do it if.

J

You don't have the people. Last week we came to you with recommended changes in our personnel.

J

Code changes that we think are going to make a big difference. A few highlights from that.

J

Changes that will make annual and personal leave available to employees on probation.

J

This only affects employees for six months, but this is a big deal. It's been a constant source.

J

Of frustration, it's going to improve salary increases for promotions, the places where we have.

J

People that we want to move up the organization and they've declined, because the pay chain.

J

Just wasn't enough to make sense for them: we've increased or shouldn't. We say we have increased.

J

Pending the public hearing and your approval, it will increase flexibility for salary offers.

J

To potential employees who are bringing relevant experience to us a place where we've had to pass.

J

Sometimes on employees we wanted to bring in just because there wasn't room to do something.

J

Increase the amount of annual and sick leave for employees in their first 10 years.

J

With the county- and we have a pretty good annual and sick leave program but for people.

J

In the first 10 years, you're going to get more quickly to the the best parts of what we have.

J

Are going to increase the amounts of annual compensatory leave that can be carried for.

J

People who sometimes run into a difficult position in life, this can be a lot of flexibility. This.

J

Not going to be a big deal for everybody, but for some people it will be.

J

And all sick leave will now be available for caring for family members. There was even more.

J

But we're not going to go through everything today now these weren't code changes, but last.

J

Week we also brought you changes to remote work policy and talked about alternate work schedules.

J

Last week, we promise we'll be back with the next step. The very important next step of addressing.

J

Our compensation, competitiveness, that's what we're here for today.

J

So we're going to share recommendations with you now.

J

But before we get to the recommendations, I want to address a question. That's likely to occur to you.

J

We engage siegel to help us work through our concerns and help us develop an action plan. You.

J

Haven't seen a final report from siegel yet so you might be saying: why are we talking about this now.

J

We continue to work closely with siegel, but their work is behind schedule.

J

So we don't have their final report yet, but we believe we have the work from them that we need in.

J

Order to be able to give you these recommendations and we aren't waiting for the final report.

J

Because we don't believe we can afford to wait any longer. We just can't wait.

J

Our concerns aren't going away every day that goes by is lisa's exposed to losing another employee.

J

Or missing out on the opportunity to get the next employee, can I jump in there sure um so more than.

K

A year ago now it doesn't seem like it's been that long, but robin was here before you discussing the.

K

Same issues with recruitment and retention at that time she talked to you all about positions that we.

K

Had not been able to fill that had been open for some time today. Unfortunately, I have to tell you.

K

Some of those same positions are still open. I have a boiler mechanic, that's been vacant for 753 days.

K

We cannot hire for that position. County surveyor 676 days, the financial systems administrator 232.

K

Days and we still have 19 open positions and roads of the 28 postings that we have on the board now.

K

Which are for a total of 69 positions. 20 are open until filled.

K

We also continue with the issue. We go through the whole process and we talked about this last week.

K

Go through the whole process get to the point where we offer to the candidate and they say.

K

Yeah, no thanks not enough money. Our retention of employees is still a difficult stage as well. Our.

K

Turnover rate for 22 fiscal year increased to 11.12 percent, and that was up from 8.76.

K

In fy 21 and has been the largest since fiscal year 95 when I went back through all the years.

K

um So what we're asking of you today is going to help us with all of these issues.

K

Now I'll, let ted continue. Thank you for letting me interrupt fiscal year. 95 is when I came here.

F

We've been blessed ever since no is there a causal relationship, no there's! No! So the.

J

Big message: there problems are not going away by themselves, so, let's get to the recommendations now.

J

You set aside funding in the budget for the specific purpose of addressing compensation.

J

There are two pieces to what we're going to be recommending. One is moving the scales and one is.

J

Moving existing employees through the scales, so I'm moving the scales. Think of this, like a cola.

J

This will help recruitment by boosting our starting pay.

J

The number that goes on the job advertisement is going to be higher.

J

This will also help with retention, because every employee is going to see an increase in their pay.

J

We're recommending a 10 change in our scales. Every employee reporting to the commissioners will get.

J

This increase now why ten percent now, based on a market study siegel, suggested eight to.

J

Ten percent, so this is in line with what they're talking about. But if you dig into the market study.

J

Which looks at an average of about 10 jurisdictions and looks at an average of a.

J

Whole wide range of positions, but if you dig in and start looking at the details, there are places.

J

Where we can easily argue, we need more than 10 percent to be able to get certain jobs, competitive.

J

10 percent, though, is what we thought was doable and we'll come back to that in a minute.

J

Moving people through the scales think of this as an increment.

J

This will help with retention by recognizing the experience and the knowledge that employees have.

J

Gained here in carroll county, every employee who's been here at least one year as of july.

J

1St 2022 so a couple weeks ago, will receive an increase based on their years of service.

J

One exception: this does not include contractuals, because that's a different.

J

Employee employer relationship now a lot of thought went into developing these recommendations.

J

We have limited funding and we couldn't just say: what do we think we ought to do.

J

We knew how much money we had to work with, so we needed a combination of these two actions.

J

Moving the scales and moving people through the scales that was both fundable.

J

And did the most to address our concerns, we're trying to maximize the impact we're going to get.

J

From the money we have to use and we explored many combinations, I can't even guess how many things we.

J

Looked at and we extensively discussed the pluses and minuses of this package versus this package.

J

In the end, we concluded that what we are bringing you today was the best package, the one that bought.

J

Us bought us the most. This combination does the most to address both recruitment and retention.

J

Concerns did the most to make us more competitive. Now there are a lot of variables and unknowns to.

J

Make it difficult to say exactly how much this will cost us as it all plays out, but with what.

J

We know today we believe this is about six million dollars. Now you earmarked a little more than seven.

J

Million dollars, the remainder is to fund the phases that we've said are still coming. That will.

J

Include things like classification changes, career ladder, changes and positions that are related to.

J

Addressing organization development needs, we believe that will give us the room to keep.

J

Moving through the other things we're going to do now on those changes, those are still ahead of us.

J

And just want people to understand. That's going to take time. We still have a lot of work to do.

J

These changes are big this. This is.

J

I've not experiencing experience anything even remotely comparable to what we're suggesting here.

J

In my 28 years, my hopes for what this is going to mean to the organization are high.

J

That said, I don't want to leave an idea, though, that this makes all of our concerns.

J

Go away because it won't this, isn't enough to do everything that we would like to do.

J

It's going to be a great great help, but challenges will remain.

J

Now, the local governments we compete against and when I say, compete against it's not that.

J

We're trying to keep up with another local government, I'm saying we're competing for the.

J

Same people sometime, you know, tim could be the county attorney in carroll or he could be the.

J

County attorney in frederick and sometimes people are making a choice. Don't give me suggestions.

F

He's holding his tongue.

J

uh So so low government speed that we compete against for employees.

J

Will likely still have pay advantages in some positions, not all positions, but in some positions.

J

And keep in mind that other jurisdictions, the pay in other jurisdictions, isn't standing still.

J

Because we're talking about making these moves, we're not doing this in a vacuum.

J

uh Other jurisdictions are making choices, and hartford is not a county that we would typically.

J

Lose people to, but this year, not as a special change but as their annual change. They gave a.

J

Seven percent cola and a three percent merit so we're still the world continues to move around us.

J

But we believe this will narrow the gap on some of those positions and change the decision-making.

J

Process and when I say change the decision-making process, I'm talking about somebody who's.

J

Considering a job here and in howard and if the, if the pay difference is fifteen thousand dollars,.

J

And they're considering well fifteen the commute I like being a carol.

J

What's that mean to me, is one thing: if the pay difference is five thousand dollars that changes.

J

The thinking and where our hope is that this puts us close enough on those kind of positions.

J

That people feel okay, making the choice to come here or to stay here. Another thing.

J

We'll be facing is private sector moves to meet and exceed minimum wages? You know they all have.

J

To meet the new minimum wage law just like we do but we're seeing choices to not meet the law, but.

J

They're exceeding minimum wage, you can go to aldi right now and pack shopping carts for 16.

J

That has an impact on some of the jobs we're trying to find people. For you know it's. It's.

J

A a range of options that maybe is looking more attractive people than it did 10 or 15 years ago,.

J

And then in a really big way, you know our concern about pending retirements.

J

Doesn't go away now, some people might choose to work longer after these recommendations than than.

J

They might have, but people are still going to retire and that's that's out there and the whole.

J

National great resignation and everything that everybody's trying to figure out about what does.

J

This mean for the workforce. That's that's still hanging out there. We can't make that go away.

J

Now last week we came to you with code changes and the remote and alternate work schedule changes.

J

Today, we're here with pay changes we'll be back in the future. I don't know the timetable for this yet.

J

But we'll be back with recommendations, including classification changes and career ladder, changes.

J

Again, this is going to take time. We have a lot of work to do before we're ready to do that.

J

I hope when employees hear this, that they're feeling as excited about this.

J

As we are, I really believe they should be. This is a big deal.

J

So that's what we needed to tell you today is there anything that you would like to discuss.

J

Or ask us if this is approved today? How soon will it go into effect.

E

August, ah I didn't hear you august 4th okay right. Actually, that was that was coming up.

J

I didn't want to jump to that before your your questions, but right, if, if we, if we get.

J

Your approval today, we believe this could take in, uh could take effect as of august 4.

J

So it wouldn't be the paycheck that people get, but the paycheck based on august 4th.

F

Everyone that knows, you knows that, for you to say, you're excited about something. It is.

F

Quite exceptional, your leadership has been impeccable in this. This is all long overdue.

F

And, like we said before, this is part of legacy you're leaving behind and all of our county.

F

Employees need to be very grateful for you and the team you put together to put this in place.

F

And with that, I moved the approval to recommended compensation changes. Second,.

D

Okay, I got a motion on that. Second, I do have some comments. First comment is the motion. Second came.

D

From the two that did not want to move forward with the budget, which I find interesting,.

D

I'm not saying this is wrong. I believe we're doing.

D

Taking right steps, but when we put something in the budget- and it was not approved by you- know,.

D

Those that are doing this, I'm like I'm, I get very confused. um We do have a problem in front of us.

D

We've recognized that problem we've recognized a problem for probably over 10 years, when we.

D

Took away a lot of positions and we started really streamlining.

D

Because we took away positions, we decreased our revenue coming into the county.

D

And now we're saying we have 70 positions that are open.

D

I mean we made our own bed is what we've done over the last 10 to a dozen years.

D

We came to grips with that. We brought in this study, which I am very you know, supportive of, and I.

D

Am a little bit upset that they're behind schedule? That's the first time. I've heard that today.

D

Since we're providing them a lot of funds to get the study done,.

D

To allow us to make the appropriate decisions.

D

The 69 positions that we have.

D

Vacant, I do believe they need to be prioritized not just by time a vacancy. But what are the.

D

Most critical and are there alternative ways to fill those positions besides, taking this step.

D

Can some of them be contractual? You know using some of these funds as well of that seven million.

D

Dollars that we've put aside to fit our county or to make our county whole and competitive.

D

To other jurisdictions and other uh you know uh private, you know opportunities.

D

Pending retirements does weigh on me, you know, uh but that's a way of life. You know and.

D

We've had transition of some senior directors and others have stepped up and I'm very proud.

D

Of those that have- and you know, transition of senior folks, you know it's just.

D

Is a part of what we have to do? I think in doing this, uh so so that that's important, but you know.

D

It's not as big of a factor I think what's important for me is: are we willing to look.

D

At doing something like this and then keeping on the table, the importance of either.

D

Changing the number of wrecks that we have to meet the needs and requirements of carroll, county and.

D

Are we willing to put on the table the importance of looking at revenue coming into the county.

D

Because, like I said, two colleagues vote against it, so I mean that that that's first I'll give a.

F

Second, well I I I I I don't catch off. If you don't finish, I did vote against the budget and I gave.

E

My reasons for voting against the budget, I did not vote against. This was not one of the reasons.

E

And one of the reason, and main reason I gave is because I think we should have looked at.

E

Getting more revenue coming into the county, I expressed that over and over again over the past.

E

Eight years I've been county, commissioner, I still believe that, and that is why I voted against the.

E

Budget because without the more revenue coming in and you're, looking at the out years and four.

E

Years, four and five away from here how the deficit that was my concern. That's why I voted against the.

E

Budget had nothing to do with this compensation package. I wish it was larger, but we need more.

E

Revenue coming in I'll, let it go trust me, I'm not dishing you for what you've done. It's just.

D

You know every additional cost. No, I apologize. Every additional cost is confusing. I agree.

D

Every additional cost that we have in the county you know adds to the deficit of the out years.

D

Yeah, so you know I mean I know we're piecemealing things, but you know when, when we start looking at.

D

Agricultural, you know support, you know and I have colleagues saying no. We don't want to.

D

Do that or I look at other things and they say no and we package it all together and, like I said it.

D

Was a very it's a challenge um I'm for this. I am for this, but I'm for this with our eyes wide open.

D

You know that we are in a significant hole coming three four, five years down the road.

D

And it is confusing so what yeah so well, I apologize commissioner boucher. You want.

D

To say something: yes, thank you. You know. I just want to reiterate for clarification that I have.

F

Been wholeheartedly in support of this, since I was pushing initiatives to bring reform to our system.

F

So, yes, I voted against the overall budget for a multitude of reasons. It's very complex there.

F

Are a lot of components coming together, but I have been wholeheartedly behind this concept.

F

That we're trying to execute now. I just want to state that, and I appreciate commissioner.

F

Fraser for stating it before, I did thank you, but we're not living within our means.

D

Doing this that that's the fact we are not living within our means, and the two of you have said no.

D

To the budget because we're not able to live within our means, but you seem to be forgetting.

F

That we, as individual elected officials, can reflect their constituency in supporting or not.

F

Supporting different line items in the budget- and this happened to be one of the line items of both.

F

Commissioner frazier and I suppose I'm not sure what that was. But the fact is that you vote about.

D

Not living within your means, I'm a little disappointed in the single study. Why is it delayed.

J

We took on my remember at the very beginning of this.

J

We told you we were taking on a very ambitious schedule and we had concerns and.

J

They had, they haven't, been able to get it done, but I would not we're disappointed too, but I would not.

J

Let that get in the way of this discussion, because it really doesn't matter we have from them what.

J

We need to take this step. There's still work that they're doing that's going to be related.

J

To classifications and career ladders, that's ahead of us, but we're not asking you to decide.

J

Anything about that today, so I I'm I'm perfectly comfortable with our position right now, relative.

J

To what we're going to get from siegel, is there a performance clause to them to perform on time.

C

um We will look into how we want to deal with siegel, but I don't think today is really the day.

J

I mean we paid a great deal of money to have that. I understand.

J

I'm not arguing at all I'm just saying we. We need to look at that, but that's not what we're.

J

Here for today, okay, that that that's fair, I mean at least I I think, that's fair if you believe.

D

The information received from the segal study got us to where we need to be today.

D

Allowing us to make a decision got it, there's nothing we're going to there's nothing more.

J

We're going to get from them that's going to be relevant to this discussion. Thank you. We.

J

Predicted this well, we were concerned, I mean pretty much, I just you know again. You know I.

D

I was for voting for the budget. I believe it was the right decision to make. I was voting.

D

For not increasing our revenue because of the environment we're living in um knowing that we are.

D

Living outside of our means in the out years, um that was not you know, unanimous and.

D

That's what kind of gets me on this right now.

D

Because these these numbers are going to add to the.

D

Increased deficit they're already built into those numbers.

D

For the seven million dollars, yes, you adopted a budget with this already already calculated in.

J

And you know my concerns about our position. You've you've heard me talk plenty about that.

J

We we adopted what we adopted, understanding, what we were doing.

J

That included doing this, uh I I really want to encourage you as strongly as I can.

J

To not let how the process played out be the driver of what we do here this this is.

J

Too important, when I s when I say we, we not only can't we in my mind not do this when I.

J

Said we can't wait, I I meant it, you know we're getting hurt every day. We we need to do something.

D

After making the sale, you don't need to sell anymore.

A

Well, I've been kind of silent on this. Up to this point, uh I'm not going to get into the.

A

Budget debate, but I find it very interesting too um that one of my colleagues spent money all the.

A

Way up to the end and then voted against it um but um hope I'm wrong, but just throwing money.

A

At prospective employees, I don't think is the answer.

A

I don't think it's the entire answer. I think it's more about the the quality of of of the workplace.

A

The um the ability to think outside of of the norm when it comes to how we perform our jobs.

A

I think there's there needs to be a huge emphasis on uh classifications and.

A

And the career ladders I've said that many times I don't think, there's enough steps in order for.

A

Folks to be able to achieve where they want to get to so I hope that there's. I hope that we're not.

A

Cutting ourselves short with just throwing 10 percent pay increases at folks, and that not.

A

Having enough to really put an emphasis on creating abilities for people to be able to.

A

Promote through the ranks in in a in a good manner, because I I hear it too- I mean I don't want to get.

A

Back to that, I I talk to a lot of people and I'm related to a lot of people here, but I am- and I.

A

Talk to them about what their, what their concerns are and that's one of the biggest things I hear.

A

So over the last year we have, we will have now given about a 15 pay raise and that that's great.

A

But where does it stop? Because, as you say, ted.

A

It's always about competing with with other jurisdictions. It it. You can sugarcoat it all.

A

You want, but that's what it's about, because I can go to howard and make a heck of a lot more money.

A

Than I can here or I can go to montgomery, and it's not that big of a commute- it's really not so we're.

A

Always going to be behind when it comes to that we forget about what the median income is here.

A

In carroll and and what it costs, what the cost of living is here, uh which I think is important.

A

Too so I I'm I'm, for I don't want to sound like I'm against this, I'm I'm not, but I just hope that.

A

We really put an emphasis on more of an emphasis on creating that work environment here.

A

That I think's really important and and again I.

A

I'm not going to point fingers here today or at anybody or whatever, but there are there are.

A

Concerns in our workforce about the quality of of employment here and working under various folks.

A

And how things occur here? For me, it's just not about throwing money at people.

A

And while that really looks like what we're doing and again, I'm not, I mean that's a heck of a raise.

A

15 percent in in 18 months, unheard of anywhere, and I know we got to catch up, but I do think we.

A

Really need to take a look at the entire package, and that is bear with us just for a second that is.

A

The the quality of of what it means to walk in the door here and work in this facility or wherever.

A

Our outer facilities, so that's what my emphasis is on just bear with us, a second dick. You had a.

C

Comment uh steve, I don't totally agree with you. We have a different mentality in the workforce.

C

Coming in the younger workforce looks at things differently than we did entering the workforces.

C

20 couple years of age and one of the things they do look at money before other things. I agree with.

C

You we have uh some issues in the workplace, but here again carol's a great place to work.

C

We have a lot of good things going on here. Yes, it's not perfect in our environment, I'm sure we.

C

Have issues to deal with but kim has been dealing with. I think a lot of these that they pop up and.

C

uh Her staff, but um you know we it's not a bad place to work, but here again I'm not suggesting.

C

That it is no, but we have to you're taking you're taking me down the wrong street here.

A

I appreciate that, that's not what I'm saying the type of people we're looking to get and.

C

Millennials are looking things differently than well, there's no doubt they're. Looking at money.

A

Money money, money show me, the money right uh point is that's not, and the total package here needs to.

A

Be looked at, it's not just about the money yeah! Well, I agree with you there, but I looked at a.

C

Article this morning, I think it was 9.2 percent inflation they're predicting uh the way I was.

C

Reading this article could possibly happen. We give a 10 raise. Inflation goes up, they're, not much.

C

Farther ahead than where they were now, I don't know if it'll ever get to that point and that our.

C

Article could have been on sensationalism also, but um I think you know ted's right in.

C

This I like his enthusiasm on it. As I said, I'm disappointed in sigel not performing on time. I.

C

Wish we could have done it in the proper order, but we need to be competitive. We need to have people.

C

And we're not just other counties we're competing against private industry out here.

C

And they're just killing us on this. They have the ability to make changes faster than we do.

C

And I, as I said, that's why we have a covered wagon as our logo, but um I do believe.

C

I'm going to be for this, I'm not opposed to it, but uh I think this is step one and I know our.

C

Budget's going to be out of uh whack on this, but it's allocated in, we know it's something we had.

C

To do we said that for months years, so we need to keep up people coming in quality people entering.

C

Carroll county and make it that workforce that you want to have, I believe that environment, you're.

C

After this is a step to get to that environment, not the ultimate end, but it's a step to get there.

D

Perception's reality- and I think that's also where you were going was 15- is a huge jump.

D

In a very significant jump in increase- and you know this attitude that we're living in ivory.

D

Tower from you know, carroll county government everybody's looking at oh, there goes carroll.

D

County spending more money on itself um does concern me, because we get a lot of that feedback.

D

I think what needs to be reminded is that we are in a significant shortfall of 10, or maybe.

D

Eight nine percent right now, which is probably the lowest it's been in quite some time.

D

As far as needing hires, what's that vacancies vacancies yeah, but.

D

That's significant and that message has to get out on especially events like the last couple days. You.

D

Know getting the right people in the right place to get the hires, um so I mean I just to that point.

A

Every county is in the same boat for the most part. Look at the look at the openings in the.

A

Surrounding jurisdictions there and a lot of them are much more because their workforce is bigger.

A

Obviously, but there's a there's openings in government across the state. So again I'm I'm.

A

I'm not trying I'm excited for this too, and I'm excited for our employees, because that's a heck of.

A

Right, that's a heck of an increase and I hope you prove me wrong. I won't I'll be watching, but.

A

I don't think that's going to immediately fix the amount of vacancies that are on that board out in.

A

The hallway, I just do not believe that yeah and like I said because I think, there's more internal.

A

That needs to occur here and that's what I was hopeful for in siegel money aside. We all knew that.

A

We all knew that going out of the gate, we don't pay enough got it, but I think there's.

A

More to the picture here than just money, we hope that we look at that too. We agree with you and.

J

Yeah, we've had a number of discussions about this over this last year or so, and I I feel like I've.

J

I've failed here to to to share the the message, because what we've been telling you is.

J

We're looking at all kinds of things through the organization from what kind of positions we have.

J

To how we should be organized to our supervisor structure, you know you say you emphasis on career.

J

Ladders and classifications- you know, I've told you, that's that's! Coming back, it's a.

J

It's the next step. It is no less important to us than than this step we're just not there.

J

Yet, no you you did yeah and yeah. I got that I just yeah. I don't want that. 7.2 or whatever's.

A

Left there I want it to be able to be divided in the best way that it can be, and that's what we're.

J

Telling you we believe we've done so again. You know you don't need to make the sale after sale.

D

And you you've, given us the confidence to do this next step. You know, and so there shouldn't be any.

D

Frustration. Any of that I think for me, it's important that the message is gets out clearly.

D

One to our workforce on the importance of having the strength in our workforce.

D

But also two to our county, the importance of having a strong workforce to meet the needs.

D

Of safety, security, best education, quality of life possible in our county and the only way we can do.

D

That is by having this strong workforce and that's why we did what we did. I mean this started from.

D

A conversation, I think three of us had downstairs, you know on an individual and it kind of blossomed.

D

From there and so but but that's part of this decision, that's got to get out very clearly.

D

Because if it doesn't, then we're going to just, I think be continually being you know, jabbed for.

D

Not understanding the importance of getting even in a very streamlined accounting workforce, because.

D

Like uh commissioner wants said, I think for every individual we have there's three employees.

D

In other counties that are doing the same as what we have is one and that's why it's important that.

D

We have a 100 fill, I apologize, I mean I didn't mean to cut you off. I know you have a couple of.

D

Things you want to share, but you should have a lot of confidence that we're on board with this.

D

And that's why we've made the decisions we did during the budget. My initial salvo was: I.

D

Was concerned that the budget didn't clearly pass and the out years are going to be very difficult.

D

For us to be able to fund this, but if you're confident that's going to happen, I'm I'm good so.

D

um Any did you want to share any more. I mean any further discussion on this. I have a motion and I.

D

Have a second again an appreciation for our entire workforce. I want to say it's: it's frustrating.

E

Number one that you, your first thing was about commissioner boucher myself, not voting for the.

E

Budget but then you didn't even have the understanding. This is already in the budget.

D

I forgot I'm sorry, you got to think don't come out like that. Listen! That's all! I just stopped.

D

Right, I got it, I know it's in the budget, I my mind was somewhere else. I know it's in the.

D

Budget- I just don't remember this much scrutiny being placed into the 22 percent raise for the.

F

Sheriff's department, during election year, where people were courting fop endorsements.

F

So I find it quite funny. I think this is a wonderful thing, I'm very much looking forward.

F

To moving forward and satisfying our county employees, who actually felt kind of dissed.

F

Over the fact that, without any hesitation, this board gave a 22 percent raise at deputy shares.

F

Not that they don't deserve it, but it was kind of slap and face every single county employee. We.

F

Have answering to us- and this is a rectification of that wrong, so actually it wasn't whatsoever.

D

I know you vote against the raises to our sheriff's department and that was very clear.

D

This money was put in the budget to do exactly what it's doing. So it's not a.

D

Slap in the face we we allocated this money. I do apologize because I do know it was in my.

D

Mind was somewhere else. I do know we put this money in to do exactly what we're doing today.

D

So it's there's no there's no slaps. This was just a preparation to where we had to go today.

D

So, um and just like everything else with me, you don't understand how I do this job.

A

I don't think you understand how you how you do this job, but I didn't to bring politics into this.

A

Is is below the belt, but but I expect that from you. So I'm not shocked by that and I didn't do.

A

That to get anybody's endorsement, nor have I ever done that so way to go with the rudeness, boucher.

A

Nicely done, you always have the you always have the ability to to roll right in there with below.

A

The belt, don't you okay, great thanks. I want to call for a vote. We got a motion. We got a second.

D

Any other discussion on this scene here, none all in favor, okay, thank you, commissioners. Absolutely.

D

Let's talk about land resource management, request approval for change order. I love change. Orders.

D

For the construction of locust wetlands, stormwater management facility and you're going to convince.

D

Us why this change order is necessary good morning. Commissioners. Thank you. So, um yes, we we're here to.

L

Discuss the locust wetland stormwater management facility that we're constructing out in union.

L

Bridge and I'm going to turn it over to janet o'meara and ed singer to talk about the details.

M

So, as chris mentioned, this is a project out in the town of union bridge, it's being done.

M

For mpds permit compliance in partnership with the town of union bridge a contract was awarded.

M

To kibbler construction earlier this year to move forward with construction in the amount.

M

Of six hundred and forty nine thousand dollars um through the engineering process, we did do studies.

M

Borings to the best that we could um working with our hydrogeologists.

M

As we've progressed through construction, we have encountered areas that have required repair given.

M

The geology of the area, which is karst, we've, had some sinkholes open up and have had to work with.

M

A contractor to repair those since the briefing paper was prepared. We have had four additional.

M

Appear and have had to make those repairs, because what we don't want.

M

To do is to leave these areas vulnerable to rainstorms, that just kind of exacerbates.

M

The problem that's out there, so I will let ed give a little bit more detail.

M

For why we're here today? Well, in addition to the uh to the to the sinkholes um we've, also.

N

Encountered a layer of of rock and that's uh you know also included in this briefing paper that.

N

We didn't find we didn't find rock when we we did the borings. I think we we did our due diligence.

N

We'd actually bid a contingency for rock in the uh in the um when we bid the project out. But we.

N

Didn't expect that we were going to need to use that contingency, so we didn't actually.

N

Put any money in the contract initially, but as we've gotten out out there, it's.

N

Very unpredictable when you're in this car topography um as to what you can run into.

N

Ran into this a lot when we were at the health department with putting septic systems in you,.

N

Never knew if you were going to hit a pinnacle or or something in these in these limestone areas.

N

And so we've run into this rock that we we also need to hammer as well as uh fixing the.

N

Sinkholes, which are necessary um it's once we we get the area prepped and get the liner in.

N

um It's going to uh protect the area from being susceptible to further sinkholes and and uh and.

N

Moving the project forward, however, it's it is more than the uh the ten percent that the um the bureau.

N

Director's allowed to approve uh the the actual cost on the sinkholes at this point in time is.

N

It's it's different than what's reflected in your briefing paper. uh It's been forty, seven thousand.

N

One hundred and seventy nine dollars and thirty five cents to repair 15 sinkholes at this point.

N

And uh the total increase that we'd be asking for for your approval is seven 104. Nineteen dollars.

N

And thirty five cents and we've been working with uh kibler construction who's. The contractor on.

N

This and they've been uh very cooperative. Our our staff have been out there um zach uh our geologist.

N

Has been out there um overseeing the the the uh repair of these sinkholes any anytime, there's a.

N

Sinkhole that arises, we want to get it fixed so that we don't continue to have problems, but.

N

So so that's kind of where we are at this point in time and uh what we're essentially asking for.

N

In the the recommendation was to originally put it 101 165 dollars, 93 cents. uh Actually, at this point.

N

We're at 104 719 dollars and 35 cents when, when we're talking about repairing the 15 sinkholes.

N

And the rock excavation that uh would cost 57 540 dollars, ed just a question: you have a bedrock.

C

You're going to lower it and put stone on it and put the liner in it, wouldn't it make sense.

C

To raise it two feet and put the liner right on the bedrock. Well, the the problem with with that.

N

Is is that you, you have a you, have a level where this out falls into the stream. You have to be able.

N

To get the pipe low enough in order to uh to have the appropriate outfall into the end of the stream.

N

Without creating erosion problems, wouldn't that just be lower the pipe and use that bedrock to.

N

Have to lower the whole facility because you have well the other thing you have to do. Is you have.

N

To be able to we're collecting all the rainfall that's coming in from the uh impervious areas in.

N

In the town and and those elevations have to match up with, where the, where the pond is in order for.

N

For us to get enough volume in the pond, you can't just raise it up because we wouldn't have uh you.

N

Wouldn't have fall to get the water into the pond, so basically the stream is your zero and machinist.

F

Terms and you gotta go from zero back up correct gotcha, so we have to have enough fall to get the.

N

To get the water convey to the pond, so if I may um so that's the reason why we do the test.

L

Pits during design is so we understand what our constraints are, and so we understand where the.

L

Bedrock is, and we can avoid that. Unfortunately, you can put a hundred test pits out there and miss.

L

Just miss where the bedrock is these pinnacles, and so at this point the.

L

Facility has been designed to these elevations and with storm water management. It's all about.

L

Volumes, you need a set amount of volume and we've constructed the outfall pipe. We've constructed.

L

Most of the grading and so on, and now we're just trying to get down to that bottom elevation that.

L

Hits the um that hits the volume we need if we discovered the bedrock during design, we would.

L

Have adjusted the design, so an alternative could be, we could go back to redesign and so on, but now.

L

We're talking about months of redesign, changing the the grading changing permitting and so on.

L

And so forth, so the issue is that we're in mid construction right now. How deep is a bedrock.

L

uh We have to lower it by an additional on two feet. How far is the bedrock go? Do we know I'm.

L

Not sure how much we're going to be about, I believe, the depth of the excavation I'd have.

N

To go back and look at the plants specifically, but I think we're approximately 14 feet below.

N

The existing grade- oh okay, I rode past her the other day on my motorcycle and I seen that ridge.

F

And thanks for the tour you gave me, I comprehend why the core drilling had missed it, because.

F

Bedrock was shipped and there's actually a ridge that sticks up. So it's not like there was a.

F

Negligent airport, it just happened to be where the drill cores were hitting missed it exactly.

F

And those sinkholes are extremely dangerous. I was a bit nervous out there on the tour, because the.

F

Sides are falling in and that prevents a real big health hazard to the contractor out there.

F

And the equipment- that's very heavy equipment sitting. Next they could sink into the ground. Yes,.

F

I moved that the board of county commissioners approved a change order for kibbler construction.

F

Incorporated an amount of 104, 719 dollars and 35 cents, I get to revise them out right. Thank you.

E

Second motion guys, second and discussion on this- appreciate the description all in favor all right.

D

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Let's talk about.

D

A renewal of a cisco hyperflex subscription.

O

Morning, commissioners, we are here requesting your approval to award a contract to.

O

Cisco hyperflex subscription renewal to digicon corporation in the amount of twenty seven thousand.

O

Thirty dollars and seventy eight cents- this is for a one year subscription beginning this month,.

O

And the funds are within the adopted fy23 budget and no additional funds should be necessary.

O

And I'll turn it over to six and four any questions you might have.

A

Well, the one question I have is: what does it do so.

A

You know the names are great, but bottom line at four is sixteen.

B

The cisco microflex platform is the platform that the server infrastructure for the.

P

Computer-Aided dispatch and police records management system runs on.

P

So it's critical for the 9-1-1 operations and the sheriff's operations. That system is reach nearing.

P

The end of its life in the next 19 months or so so we will be beginning the process of actually.

P

You know designing what what its replacement is going to look like, which is why we're looking.

P

At a one-year subscription for this support, how long is the life um we get? Five to seven.

P

Years, depending on the product, so we okay, I'm just curious because I mean you have a.

E

Whole new system, and all this other, it's just it's just technology- is very expensive. Yeah.

B

Okay, I'll move the board of commissioners award contract for the cisco hyperflex.

D

Just because I like saying that subscription renewal to digicon corporation the amount of.

D

Twenty seven thousand thirty dollars: seventy eight cents. Second, that motion got second in discussion.

D

It what one! If for some reason, we get away from keystone and get another uh software.

A

Because I know that there's been discussions about, would this also support that this? Would this.

P

This platform is running the windows based servers that the keystone application is installed on.

P

So as long as it's a windows based server application, this is good. Okay, thank you.

D

Okay, all in favor, aye, aye, okay, now, let's talk about the intelli time systems, annual support.

O

Okay, this time we are requesting your approval to award the contract for the intellitime system.

O

Annual support to intellitime systems corporation in the amount of twenty six thousand six hundred.

O

And sixty dollars, um the support is funded in the fy twenty three budget and no additional.

O

Funds should be necessary and alternative to charlie this time. If you have any questions.

Q

Good morning, commissioners, charlie beckhardt with technology services.

Q

This is the routine renewal of the annual main maintenance agreement with intellitime.

Q

To cover our workforce management system, known as vti virtual timecard interface,.

Q

And this maintenance agreement will cover software upgrades support, bug, fixes maintenance.

Q

And this software is used by the entire county for time and attendance time. Clocks.

Q

Our advanced scheduling for our 24 7 operations and we installed it in august of 2017.

E

He said it's ongoing implementation. Is it? How long is it going to take to it's fully implemented.

E

Yeah, so vti is fully implemented and has been since, uh since um june of 2019 we did a staged.

Q

Implementation with vti, which is the time and attendance component of our payroll hr overall.

Q

Project, which is what I believe you're referring to, commissioner, so vti we consider to be live.

Q

It is collecting our time and attendance data. The time clocks are fully functioning and I.

Q

Believe it was five different stages of bringing various aspects of the organization on board.

Q

We started with uh some of the more simple like technology services, human resources state's.

Q

Attorney's office was in stage one. We worked our way to the more complex things such as sheriff.

Q

And detention center very specialized needs, but but uh sheriff and detention center has been on.

Q

Board since june of 2019 so fully three years, so we consider the vti component to be fully live.

C

um I'd like to move the board of commissioners award to contract for intelli time system, annual.

C

Support to intelli time systems corporation about 26, 600 and sixty dollars, isn't it.

C

Yes, it is second yep. I got a motion in a second any other discussion or any discussion only to.

A

Ask how vti is working, I mean, is it it's working really? Well I mean everybody's on board now and.

A

Rolling right along right right, that's my that's! My uh that's my opinion of it. Vpi has been a great.

Q

Help in adding efficiency in time card processing and the ability to look into some of the data.

Q

That we're collecting for analytical purposes we share within the last eight nine pay periods or so.

Q

As an example, we share with the sheriff and detention center. Some data, that's specific to.

Q

Information that they're interested in that they are then using for their own analytical purposes.

Q

So bti is up and running and I'll just toss out that, as we continue to stand up, the fire and ems.

Q

Department, vti, I believe, will be a huge component uh which will assist them with uh the shift.

Q

The nature of the shift work that that you're, so familiar with uh so vti is gonna, be a great.

Q

Deal of help in that regard, that's good and it's yeah. It sounds like it's user friendly uh from.

A

What I get from a lot of the folks that plug in when they're in and out and you know whatever so.

A

Good, okay, okay, anything else, all in favor, all right. Okay, thank you! Thank you, commissioners. Okay,.

D

2022 spring amendment to the 2019 water and sewer master plan linda mr price, come on down.

R

All right good morning, commissioners, we are here today for a public hearing for the.

R

Spring amendment to the 2019 carroll, county, water and sewer master plan.

R

This amendment was duly advertised in the carroll county times as we're required to by law on june.

R

30Th and july 7th, um we have not received any comments on these amendments and I don't believe.

R

There's anyone signed up for comment here today for this public hearing. um So with that do we.

R

Need to call the public hearing to order mr burke or do well, let's see if there is anybody we need.

D

Call to order first, my microphone doesn't work. Oh you're microphone. Okay, doesn't work, go ahead.

S

That's what you get you're working, uh mr president, at this time it's appropriate to take any public.

S

Comments are there any comments, any comments on the out nope on the phone chris. I have no comments.

D

Okay, no comments, uh mr president, at this time it's appropriate to make a motion to close the public.

S

Hearing portion to make a motion that we close the public hearing and keep the record open for.

E

A period of 10 days, second, okay, I got a motion. I got a second all in favor all right, I was going.

A

To question the 10 days, but whatever I don't know why we do that, but I mean that's just I mean if.

B

We've gotten new comments, uh I would say roll, but ten, whatever a legal requirement for the ten days.

O

um There is just typically our practice, not in this particular case yeah. It's just been.

A

Practiced within the county foreign, I mean there might be one person watching today. That might say.

A

Well, wait a minute, but I think it's a little bit late now for but anyway I I I agree, but I do think.

E

That somebody may oh wait. What are they doing here and maybe make a comment, and I know them.

A

Yes, okay, so there's that I might know them too, as a matter of fact. Okay, so we will be back in.

R

Two weeks uh for your adoption of these amendments and then the next step is to send this to maryland.

R

Department of the environment, they will review and approve, and once it's approved by mde, these.

R

Changes become official, okay, okay and then you get to start on the next one. Yep, that's correct!.

D

Why don't you talk to us about the 2021 planning annual report? Yes, um so with me today, I have.

R

Drew from our office who's going to end um tiffany fawcett who's, going to give you the presentation.

R

On the 2022 annual report, the annual report is a report. As it says, it's prepared annually.

R

Per state requirements and it's amended and submitted to the maryland department of planning.

R

You were sent a hard copy yesterday of the report and it's an accounting basically of.

R

The development pipeline, not only for the county, but also all of the municipalities, we do this on.

R

Their behalf, we have one comprehensive report that's submitted and with that tiffany faucet.

R

Is going to give you the highlights of the annual report, it's already been submitted to the state so.

R

This is just a courtesy to let you all know: what's happened over the year of 2021 in carroll county.

R

So with that, I'm going to have tiffany present to you good morning.

T

And linda went over most of what these linda went over. I can't move that either.

T

Linda went over a couple of these first slides already. This is this report for.

T

Development activity for the calendar year is requirement by the state. Not required is the.

T

Annual report that carroll county does does incorporate development information and data.

T

That is provided by the eight municipalities, and it is all put together for one report that.

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We present to the maryland department of planning, and that was given to them, submitted on the first.

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Of the month, and it should have development related activities are to be consistent with.

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The local adopted plans and should implement the 12 state planning visions, we'll start on pages two.

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Through eight, those are the new plans and plan amendments and include maps one through five.

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For new plans there was one sykesville completed and adopted their 10-year.

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Update of the comprehensive plan called vision, 2030 that is available for review on their website.

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For plan amendments, there were several amendments to the water and sewer master.

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Plan that became effective as part of the spring 2021 amendment cycle. Those amendments pertain to.

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The town of manchester and the freedom area and those are shown on maps one through five.

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Pages: nine, through thirteen, have site plans and subdivisions approved.

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And include tables 1 through 4, as well as map 6.

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For residential site plans and subdivisions approved, there was a total of 103 new lots.

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Approved the county consisted of 34 of those new lots and westminster and tawny town made up the.

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Remaining 69 new lots for non-residential site plans and subdivisions approved there.

T

Was a total of 256.15 acres approved 152.98 of those acres were county, approved and westminster.

T

Hampstead mount airy, sykesville and union bridge made up the remain remaining 103.17 acres.

T

Those can be seen on map six, so this is basically what goes through planing commission. So these.

R

Are the plans for the county portion that you would hear in our typical planning commission.

R

Meetings that we hold monthly when they come through with um subdivision and site plans.

D

You're saying sykesville not eldersburg: um if can you go back up that that is particularly.

R

Within the corporate limits of sykesville, so not the greater eldersburg well, it is.

R

The greater ellsbury area, but that's within the corporate limits when we say sykesville.

D

So you're referring to eldersburg, no we're not referring to eldersburg we're referring to the.

F

Municipalities, the municipality of sykesville, so there's been no changes into eldersburg. um We can.

R

Get you that number? I don't have that split out of how many um subdivisions were approved right.

R

For eldersburg, but we also do those numbers monthly based on use and occupancy this so.

R

That's the end of the development pipeline. This is kind of the start of the start of the development.

R

Pipeline where site plans and subdivisions are being approved so in the county total.

R

There were 103 new lots and that included all of the municipalities totaling that 105 acres, the.

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Non-Residential, which is our commercial industrial in the county, were 256 new acreages only 152 were.

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In the county, in the balance, 103 were split amongst these municipalities, specifically okay,.

T

Although not repo not included in the report, this is included in the presentation to show.

T

The approved site plans and subdivisions for residential development 10-year trend. This shows.

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The number of lots per year over the last 10 years, including the 34 that were approved by the county.

T

This does not include municipalities, there were there's an uptick between 2012 2014, but if this.

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Was extended further into the past, that would be more of an anomaly than what is typical and.

T

The next slide also not included in the report, but just a summary of what is in the report uh for the.

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10-Year trend, non-residential development, approved subdivisions and site plans, and this is in acres.

T

For the 2021 153 approved acres that the county had not included the municipalities and again that.

T

Uptick in 2014 is a bit of an anomaly mostly attributed to one particular project. The.

D

Freedom district, whatever they're called the fdca, um is talking a lot lately about.

D

Residential growth and this you know non-stop residential growth and we don't.

D

Have the infrastructure we're on the schools and you know- and you know the the answers.

D

This is a great slide to share with them that this is what's happening because they have a a picture.

D

Of something else, that's just not happening. um If you can reach out to them and say you know.

D

We understand anecdotally about the properties and the potential for the growth, but the actuality is.

D

Is this, so I would appreciate that linda absolutely. We can do that.

T

Next, on pages 14 through 17, we have zoning math amendments, and that includes tables five and six.

T

As well as maps, seven and eight table, five shows the 19 rezonings that took place in 2021.

T

18 of the 19 rezoned properties were part of the carroll county's by request comprehensive.

T

Rezoning that happened, that most of that work was done in 2020.

T

But they did not become effective until january of 2021 and that's why they're on here.

T

And one was a mixed use zone over a property in mount airy and you can see those on map seven.

T

For annexations there were four those are shown in table six and on map eight.

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They included two in manchester, one in hampstead and one in sykesville.

T

Next pages 18 through 23, show zoning text amendments amendments to priority funding area.

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Boundaries changes to schools, transportation, apfo or adequate public facility ordinances.

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And park facilities, and that includes table seven for zoning text- amendments on pages 18 through 19.

T

These are the revisions to local ordinances affecting future development in the county.

T

There was, there were ordinances for solar on ag remaining portions and self storage in I.

T

One of sustainable communities- and that was the allowance that you did to allow that. Okay for.

T

Hampstead, the ordinances um and amendments were for changes to zoning definitions, redistricted.

T

And thank you, industrial zoning text, historic district zoning text, general.

T

Business text and text concerning accessory use, buildings and structures in mount airy.

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There was development rights and responsibility agreement, amendments um adequate facilities within.

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The mxd or mixed use district westminster had amendments for solar energy facility use in.

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Perm as permitted or special exception, added definition of satellite automobile storage.

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And allowed, as special exception use and allowed for one year, extension to an approved site plan.

T

There were no changes to the priority funding area boundaries. No.

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No new schools or additions in table seven you'll see the changes to roadway network were primarily.

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System, maintenance and local in nature and westminster, amended the water and sewer.

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Allocation policy and master distribution chart as part of their adequate public facilities, ordinance.

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There are several changes to park facilities and those can be found on pages 21-23, as listed.

T

And also as images from above, the county had completed an 18-acre expansion of deer park.

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The majority of westminster memorial park and added another soft launch in detour in cooperation.

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With union bridge, the county also completed a new kayak soft launch at little pipe creek.

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New winds are constructed, 201 main street park, sykesville constructed their new splash pad at.

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Millard cooper park and westminster upgraded to home a farm boulder park with a new playground.

T

On pages, 31-32 are the building permits issued, and that also includes table 16 and map 10.. There were.

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A total of 597 building permits issued in 2021 and table 16 shows the residential and non-residential.

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Building permits issued by inside and outside the priority funding areas and inside and outside the.

T

Growth areas of the 597 total 68.3 percent were residential and inside the priority funding areas.

T

And 7.7 percent was non-residential and inside the priority funding areas.

T

And the growth area numbers reflect those very similarly, so the first step is the site plans.

R

That's the first part of the development pipeline. This is kind of like the second part, where the.

R

Building permits are being issued, so this is when you see kind of the construction start, then the.

R

Final part of that and she'll get into the use and occupancy permits and that's who's taken.

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Possession of a unit- and the 595 I do believe, does include improvements as well.

T

997, sorry about that and then map 10 will show you the locations of those building permits issued.

T

Pages 33 through 35 are for the new use and occupancy certificates issued.

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We refer to those as uno's tables, 17 and 18 are included as well as map 11.

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There's a total of 526 use and occupancy certificates issued in 2021 table 18 shows.

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The new residential and non-residential use and occupancy certificates issued.

T

Inside and outside the priority funding areas and inside and outside the growth areas,.

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Of the 526 uno certificates issued, 74.5 percent of them were in residential and.

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Inside the priority funding areas and 1.9 percent of them were non-residential and.

T

Inside the priority funding areas and again, the growth area numbers reflect very similar numbers.

T

And you can see those on map 11 on page 35., um and just this was a little side.

T

Note just when I was going through these and I was looking at the maps, that's 526 and it.

T

Doesn't look when you're looking at that, like there's 526 dots, nor does it seem to me like.

T

74 percent are in the priority funding areas when they can so I just made this little slide.

T

Here, which has a little bump out, that'll show like there's 155 in tawny town and when we're.

T

When we reflect that on a map that a lot of them end up very clustered and on top of each other.

T

So it's um just to keep that in mind when looking at those maps.

T

And again, we have a 10-year trend, this one's, showing residential use and occupancy certificates.

T

County-Wide this year there was that uptick in that I know with that 155 that was in tawny, town.

T

That could be reflective of that. um Typically over the years, it's pretty pretty steady, you've.

T

Been holding steady around, not 300, mark give or take, but as tiffany said last year we had.

R

Had that uptick and right now, I think for our 2022 numbers we're still around that.

R

300 mark as well, so we don't anticipate that 484 or higher trend continuing.

R

We expect to be where we've been in the past decade, with around 300 or so.

T

And also with non-residential use and occupancy certificates county-wide with the 10-year trend.

T

You'll see the 10 that are reflected there, and this does include municipalities.

T

Pages 37 through 41, we have the development capacity analysis. We also refer to that as.

T

The building land, inventory or bli that's um also including tables 20 through 24 and maps 12.

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Through 13. for existing and potential development, developable residential lots, we have a total of 65.

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718 existing units with 55 percent of the of the existing units inside the priority funding areas.

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And 45 percent of them being outside the priority funding areas for potential lots.

T

Or future possible developable residential lots, there's a total of nineteen thousand four hundred.

T

Forty three lots, so this is I'm sorry. Do you mind under that there's a marked departure from where.

R

We've been in the past with the buildable land inventory um and if you see on page 37,.

R

We describe why that is, and I worked with landon resource management's gis staff, who calculates.

R

Buildable and inventory front for us, they run a program that looks at each individual parcel.

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It looks at what its policy is, so what the zoning is with the infrastructures, whether.

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It has water and sewer infrastructure um and looks at its environmental constraints, whether there's.

R

Steep slopes there's different recharge, easements, wetlands, etc. um We can't do.

R

Certain things like perkability and things like that, but we can take the very high level items.

R

And typically per person, that's around a 20 to 30 percent reduction of the use of the property.

R

This changed dramatically because some of the policies that we have in play were not fully.

R

Implemented within this model, for instance, septic tiers was not being taken into consideration. That.

R

If something is not on water and sewer, you can't achieve the allowable zoning.

R

So we were overestimating the amount of parcels that had development potential to its maximum.

R

So with this, we review that we've reviewed other policies and made those adjustments, so we believe.

R

This is a more accurate categorization of how much how many more building lot potential we have.

R

Than than before, so it was a reduction. I think we were around 26, 000 or so before and we're now more.

R

Around that 19 000 mark this even included for an increase in residential units that were allowed.

R

Because we allowed some commercial districts to have residential as part of that c1c2 c3 zoning.

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Change and also it reformulated the calculation for age restricted before that had a different.

R

Calculation, our new calculation based on the rezoning changes and the text amendment.

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That we had just completed this past year is maximizing that at three and a half dwelling units.

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Per acre, so that's all reflected in these new calculations so that.

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The combination of some increase and decrease led to an overall decrease.

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In the amount of building potential um by five or six thousand units in the county.

T

An existing and potential developable.

T

Non-Residential acreage on pages 40 through 41 show that existing acreage is a total of 539 acres.

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81 percent of that existing acreage is inside the priority funding areas and 19 percent is outside.

T

For potential acreage or possible future developable non-residential acreage, there's.

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A total of three thousand five hundred fourteen acres, eighty-seven percent of that potential.

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Acreage is inside the priority funding areas, and thirteen percent of it is outside.

T

Pages 42 through 43, it's the agricultural land preservation, including tables 25 and 26,.

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As well as map 14. in 2021, there was 2 384 acres, including 22 farms preserved for agricultural land.

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Since 1979, a total of 76 545 acres of land have been preserved for agricultural use last year or.

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In in fiscal year, 2021, seven million eight hundred sixty nine thousand nine hundred sixteen dollars.

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Was committed to agricultural preservation and 66 of that was county county funds.

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Map 14 shows all of the preservation the land.

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Preservation, easements, including the ones for 2021, are in the the colors.

R

So one interesting thing to note with this um and and I apologize for on having a slide regarding.

R

This, but um one thing that's interesting to note, is that we are outpacing development with ag.

R

Preservation by um 10 times the amount we're we were developing around 100 and some acres.

R

A year of residential, I'm sorry residential where's, the actual development. That's.

R

We had those numbers and we did talk to planning commission about that. But just so you know we are.

R

Outpacing development dramatically um with our preservation efforts in carroll county so and.

R

That's you know, one of the premises of ag prez is to kind of keep pace with that development. So.

R

I just wanted to make you all aware of that fact, and so are there any other questions again? That's.

D

A very good, clear message to share with those that believe we are over developing in areas um that.

D

You know it's difficult, because there is a balance and we've committed ourselves to that balance with.

D

Preserving agriculture property, but there's this perception that we're still over developing and.

D

We don't have the infrastructure to meet the needs of the developments, um so in your plan.

C

Can you achieve the hundred thousand dollar price 100 000 acre present.

C

Preservation, land, which plan the massachusetts any of it I mean, can you can that be achieved.

C

In the next x amount of years I mean, I believe we have the acreage. I can't speak to that because I'm.

R

Not in the ag press program, I would say um from my understanding we do have the land to achieve.

R

100 000 acre goal, but this doesn't really get at that. Just tells you what's preserved now.

R

And then what the potential is for future development, okay,.

A

Is there a reason westminster didn't send their.

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uh Approved win, yes, the um the change in the bli numbers um took a little longer than expected and.

T

Westminster was one of two of the municipalities that wanted to approve the entire report. As.

T

Opposed to just their own information that they were sending us, so they had to wait until after.

T

The report was completed and then, when we're working with planning commission time frames when.

T

They meet so they're going to go ahead and that's supposed to be on their agenda for this month.

T

To sign off on that and then we'll send that to maryland department of planning as well. You don't.

A

Anticipate any concerns there. It's just a matter of timing, I know and again the numbers from the.

R

Municipalities come from the municipalities. This is their reporting. This is the forms they felt so.

R

Typically, their processes they go through it, they go through with their planning commissions. They.

R

Send it to us- and we package it as one annual report from the county, which I think is nice.

R

Because it helps us even understand, since we are eight municipalities that have sovereign land use.

R

Authority from the county to know the bigger picture of what's happening: okay, thanks, okay,.

F

Well, I appreciate map 14 the land preservation easement map, because I think it very clearly shows.

F

How important the municipal designate growth areas are in our overall game plan to preserve the world.

F

Countryside, so it's a nice balance of how we need to pull this off, but so often we hear people live.

F

In a designated growth area complain, they move to carroll county for the world countryside, but they.

F

Actually moved into an area of municipal water and sewer, and I just asked for an understanding.

F

Understand people out there how this plan is unfolding if they get a chance to go to the.

F

Website and see this and comprehend and understand that we do have a overall view and plan in place.

F

And this is part of it. So, thanks for all your work and effort on this absolutely- and I think that's.

R

Why I've been so successful and preserving so much lane is because, since 1964 even prior to the ag.

R

Preservation programs, carroll counties uh stuck to essentially those growth area, boundaries for the.

R

Majority of its development and then preserving the rest for agricultural purposes. Thank you.

F

Guys do a wonderful job, it's a tough position. You have because there's always people who are.

F

Discontent about what unfolds, but there is rhyme and reason to all this, so thank you. Thank you.

D

Okay, any other comments. Okay, thanks. Let's talk about the 2014 master plan, mid-cycle review.

D

Yes, so um we have to do a report annually. Obviously that's uh sent to the state of.

R

Maryland maryland department of planning the other legal requirement that we have is.

R

Within a plan's 10-year life cycle, the state asks us to prepare a mid-cycle review to see.

R

What implementation efforts have occurred because the idea is to not have these plans sit on a shelf.

R

They're actually to be utilized, and not just you know, paper taking up space. So we do put our plans.

R

To good use um and as drew from our department is going to show you, we have done a ton of work and.

R

We not just planning department but collectively the board of county commissioners. The planning.

R

Commission planning staff have really worked hard over these last several years to actually.

R

Implement this master plan- and it's, I think, evident in the information that drew's going to.

R

Share with you, thank you. Thank you, mr president and commission members today, I'll be briefing.

U

You, as ms eisenberg mentioned, on the mid-cycle review of the 2014 carroll county master plan,.

U

The purpose of the mid-cycle review state law requires a narrative on the master.

U

Plan's implementation status, at least once in the annual report, this information that.

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Will be sent to the maryland department of planning is included in your briefing packet.

U

What are the county's development trends? The information on the slide depicts the amount.

U

Of residential subdivision lots, commercial and subdivision commercial industry and industrial.

U

Subdivisions and commercial, industrial acres and also use and occupancy permits.

U

Between the years 2015 and 2021., please note that the numbers in this chart do not.

U

Do not include the incorporated part of carroll county, which would be the municipalities and.

R

That's because we're only reporting for the county's master plan, not everything else.

U

As you can see from the the numbers fluctuate greatly in the charts, except for use and occupancy.

U

Permits for unincorporated carroll county, which are steadily decreasing on the contrary,.

U

The use and occupancy permits for incorporated carroll county are increasing and attributed to.

U

Directing new growth to the priority funding areas overall, use and occupancy permits in the county.

U

For both incorporated and unincorporated carroll county have been steadily increasing since 2018.

U

Where what are our compliments? Sorry, what are our comprehensive plan? Implementation tools.

U

Ordinance number 2021 01 was rezoning, 27 parcels to commercial and industrial unemployment campus.

U

Which was part of the county's by request comprehensive rezoning initiative and ordinance.

U

Number 20 2102 was rezoning, one parcel and they were both adopted on december 21st.

U

Sorry january 21st 2021, and that was an effort that you all went through with the commercial yeah.

R

Okay, what are the significant changes to the zoning ordinance or for um ordinance 202203.

U

Was adopted in december of 2021 to revise the following sections under zoning regulations.

U

Non-Conforming uses distance requirements, principal dwellings, temporary and seasonal use.

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Requirements, communications towers, agricultural districts, conservation, district, the our 40 000 20,.

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000 10 000 and our 7500 residential district residential districts, regulation of permissible.

U

Principal uses residential districts, regulation of accessory uses residential districts, bulk.

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Requirements: commercial, industrial, employment, campus districts, regulations of principal use.

U

Mineral resource overlay use off-the-premise signs, exemptions and modifications. Zoning certificates.

U

Board of zoning appeals, mobile homes, temporances seasonal uses and retirement villages.

U

Ordinance number 2022 04 was adopted in december of 2021 to revise subdivision control and cluster.

U

Subdivision under zoning regulations, what are the state and federal laws that have pleaded the.

U

Impeded the implementation of our master plan. The greatest challenge continues to be the cost.

U

Of implementation related to the chesapeake, the total daily maximum loading of the chesapeake bay.

U

And the state's watershed improvement program additionally.

U

The locating new water resources continues to be a challenge for new growth in the.

U

County's municipalities again, these are all questions that are being asked in this, so he's.

R

Just going through the litany of questions that we had to report on for this mid-cycle.

U

What are future land use challenges? There's a.

U

Limited amount in the county a little limited amount of land in the county.

U

Including the municipalities with access to water and sewer infrastructure that makes it.

U

Extremely difficult to continue to develop and redevelop in our priority funding areas.

U

Municipalities and growth areas, carroll county, is also limited in its ability to increase densities.

U

Or intensities in the county's growth areas located in the eastern portion of the county.

U

Because of the regional watershed agreement with the baltimore areas, reservoirs.

U

One of the other questions was the summary: were there any summaries.

U

Or sorry, were there any updates to your master plan? 2019 there was an update.

U

Just briefly go through the update for the general boundaries of all maps were.

U

Adjusted as a result of the contraction of the designated growth area, boundaries.

U

In the 2018 freedom community comprehensive plan also updated maps to reflect municipal growth area.

U

Annexations and master plan updates in hampstead manchester westminster tony town and mount airy.

U

Whoops for transportation, updated tables and maps for planned roads and improvements to reflect road.

U

Segments that have been removed from the plan because of viability of future connections, these.

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Road segments include johnsville road, extended, conan doyle way, extended lee lane extended.

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Macbeth way, mall ring road monroe avenue between bennett, road and maryland 32. roads that have been.

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Completed has been the hampstead streetscape project, gorsuch road, arthur, peck, drive brandy.

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Avenue to my cross street connection, genevieve drive, extended kreider's church road realignment.

U

Roads that have been partially completed include arnold road realignment and improvements.

U

And also chandler drive, an unnamed road from cleveley's mill to ronsdale has been added and.

U

Georgetown boulevard extended was changed. Lastly, for chapter 7, enhanced recommendations were added.

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Referencing, the by referencing, the transportation master plan and development review process.

U

For chapter 16, land use and growth management, update of the text and table statistics.

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As a result of contraction of the designated growth area, boundaries in the freedom area,.

U

Updated text and tables as a result of the removal of very low density, designation, updated future.

U

Land use map to reflect the updated land use designation of the employment campus.

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On maryland, 97 south of westminster to revert back to the 2000 future land use.

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And current zoning per the property owner and the economic development study.

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Saying that this site is no longer feasible for an employment campus, also the redesignated of long.

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View farm for commercial to agriculture, with the elimination of the very low density, designation.

U

Or well sorry, with the elimination, the very low density, designation and the freedom plan.

U

Reverted very low density mapped areas back to their 2000 land use, designation or most recent.

U

Zoning and additionally corrected the designation of properties on twin arch road from commercial.

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High to industrial, heavy and lastly, added a new section regarding municipal growth areas.

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To clarify the policy regarding development in the municipal growth areas for existing in future land.

U

Use definitions, the updated land use definition; definitions to be consistent with the 2018 freedom.

U

Community comprehensive plan and for generalized future land uses added a map that shows the future.

U

Land use in all areas of the county. Additionally, as linda mentioned, this has been the most.

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Implemented master plan that the county has had since the moment this plan was adopted, county.

U

Staff, the u.s board of county commissioners in the county planning and zoning commission started.

U

Implementation efforts, already 11 strategies have completed, have been completed and 26 are currently.

U

Ongoing. Thank you, commissioners. If you have any questions, I am here. Thank you. Thank you very.

C

Efficient, very good, that's all we have for you today. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you.

D

A lot of really good information thanks. Thank you. Thank you, sir nice tie. Thank you very well. Okay,.

D

Let's talk about gis assistance.

D

uh Mission, critical partners, hey scott.

D

Jack good morning, commissioners, mr jack brown, our the county's emergency communications manager,.

V

We are here today, as you said, commissioner, to uh speak, to a proposal to acquire gis assistance and.

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Service from a firm known as mission, critical partners or they're, commonly known as mcp.

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Which would be funded, 100 percent by monies provided by the maryland 911 board.

V

So what we're speaking here today would have zero cost to the county. It would require the.

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Commissioners, to accept the funding for us to proceed with that. What I'd like to do is ask mr.

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Brown, to just give you an overview of what this proposed service would entail. uh I'll simply say.

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That the impetus for the request was an unexpected vacancy of some in-house capabilities. We basically.

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Lost our gis analyst in our in our department that was critical to the transition to next-gen 9-1-1.

V

And what mr brown will explain is how we're proposing to address that.

W

Okay, good morning, as director campbell um mentioned, we lost our gis person.

W

Within the department of public safety, several months ago, we were before you to.

W

Take on the next gen 9-1-1 initiative, which is all based upon gis, with the depart departure of.

W

The our gis person, um it became imperative that we that we bring this group on to continue that work.

W

So we're not delayed currently we're scheduled to transition to the next gen core services in.

W

October and to keep on that schedule, uh mission critical will will take on a large part of the.

W

Gis work um during the rest of this project and if I could please add one thing, commissioner, we.

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Are aggressively trying to fill this vacancy to the point that we have interviews this afternoon.

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And tomorrow, but the reality is, we could have a. We could find the fact that we have a a candidate.

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That we could bring on board in a few weeks. But because of the nature of this work and how.

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Advanced it already is mission. Critical partners are always is, or are already familiar with, the.

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Project so they can hit the ground running for lack of a better description. I knew employees.

V

Simply would not have that option in this project. There's three there's three specific tasks that.

W

They identified the one task. One is next-gen as in that gis support services. That is where.

W

The work will come to continue that project. We're also contracted with mission critical.

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As as project management for that project, so this will be their gis team working in.

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Conjunction with their project management team to keep this project moving and make sure that.

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We're moving in the right direction. The task, too, is administrative support. That'll help.

W

With some of the internal county related items that that we need to take care of and as well.

W

Working with the new person that may be selected through this selection process that we're um going.

W

And uh the third task is support services that just that's an overall umbrella to do um other.

W

Things that we may that we may require of them. This is a six month contract. um I did go before.

W

The 911, the maryland 911 board and this project has been approved by the maryland 911 board.

V

So, in a nutshell, commissioners, we're here to ask you to please accept seventy eight thousand five.

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Hundred and eight dollars of funding offered by the maryland 911 board to pay 100 percent the cost.

V

Of the six-month service agreement with mission critical partners, as mr brown has explained,.

A

No-Brainer very much I appreciate you uh continuing to bust on the 911 board for more.

A

Funding jack nicely done. Thank you, sir, because there's a lot there's a lot out.

A

There that that they can provide funding for that, we need to really take advantage of so.

A

Well done on that, we look at every opportunity that presents, I know, so I move that we accept the.

A

Seventy eight thousand five hundred eight dollars of funding offered by the board and authorized.

A

Director of public safety execute the proposed agreement with mcp to include approving payment.

A

Of the bills, second got a motion. Second, any discussion on this again great work, gentlemen,.

D

Would there be an opportunity for the new folk, the new got person to work hand in hand with.

A

Mcp, maybe for kind of training, part of the that's part of the intent, commissioner, that that would be.

W

As part of the support services task, so there'll be there'll, be some of this is, um there might be.

W

Some opportunity for some on-site work uh from this contract, so that would be where all that.

W

Comes in yeah that that's a huge advantage, because that'll help that individual, okay.

A

Get a get a handle on what we're looking for too. So, even though we're getting a gis uh individual.

W

There's there's nuances with 9-1-1 uh routing uh emergency service zones; those types of things that.

W

If they don't have that knowledge, this is where that would come in okay, okay, all in favor, aye, aye,.

D

Aye. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. Well done. Okay, let's talk about chapter 170.

D

Construction codes board of building code appeals, sprinkler waiver system request.

X

Morning, commissioners, morning morning, it's still morning yes, so come here today, uh the.

X

Bureau permits inspections has received a request to admit sprinklers and, in addition, and a total.

X

House renovation located at 2221 cross mill road, uh the owner, mr jones, silk, has made this request.

X

Due to the property not being connected to electric utility, the state does allow for such.

X

The viewers to adopt, with the exception, if the house is not connected to a power grid,.

X

So, however, it is in not in our ordinance, so I have to deny that request.

A

You're, the you're, the bad guy right now, you know yeah right yeah. Have we.

D

Have we've done this before we have? Yes, um we've done this almost identical situation once.

X

And we've done two uh new houses. We've made that exception right. So we've made exceptions to the.

D

To this already, so presence has been set again. Currently we have nothing in the ordinance saying.

X

That you know so, which brings me here again, that's in the state of maryland, that we can.

C

The state allows for new residences not connected to the barrack grid. This is specifically um the.

X

The dwelling are the addition, and the renovation is also in our 170 as well. So.

X

There's two requirements here: a fundamental question: if we've made exceptions prior.

D

To this and there's a trend of making exceptions and presence, should we make an adjustment to the.

D

Ordinance or leave the ordinance, as is recognizing that we just go case by case and that that's not.

D

For you necessarily, but that's for my colleagues when we started making these uh appeals or.

E

Granting these appeals, we said we're going to do it on a case of a case-by-case basis, so they.

E

Would have to come before us, so we see exactly what was being suggested before it was granted.

A

Yeah, I think it's necessary to continue case by case. I I don't want to blanket.

A

This, because you guys know how I feel about sprinklers, so.

C

Let me um how I feel now, um that's why I'm in between. I would assume uh mike that you've had.

A

Conversation mr zucker here and thank you for coming in today. uh Conversations about other.

A

Safety measures as a result of not having spring uh sprinkler uh protection within the within the.

A

Dwelling because I know we've done this yeah a couple of times we would, uh it would require that.

X

All bedrooms be equipped with an emergency egress window, including the existing house. They would.

X

Have to enlarge any bedroom in there, uh it's gonna have to meet all means of egress. In the dwelling.

X

It's to have to have the 10-year smoke and carbon monoxide throughout. You know communicating.

X

Technology, uh so it doesn't it's not going to eliminate anything else and the the I guess.

X

The plot, the the thing that would be a little different in this situation is we're going to.

X

Make the existing house, if there's a bedroom in that we're going to make them enlarge that window.

A

All other life safety features would be in place. This is, it is two-story. Okay,.

B

Okay means of egress out of that second floor beyond the rescue windows, one stairwell up.

A

Or how how's that uh one stairwell up through and me emergency egress window out of any bedroom? Okay,.

X

Fire extinguishers uh we did not. The residential code does not address fire extinguishers.

X

No, it doesn't, but I'm suggesting that perhaps I don't believe we did, that on.

X

The other one, I don't believe that came up, uh but it may have, and I believe the owner did.

X

Voluntarily immediately agree that they said yeah I'll, provide fire sanctions. He did say.

X

He'd provide fire extinguishers yeah. I believe that is correct. Yes, thanks for making that point.

S

Well, mr zook is here, and this is his appeal, uh mr zook: do you want.

S

You want to say anything to the board in support of your appeal.

S

Especially in light of the questions you were asked, you need to come up to the mic.

Y

Well, I just want to thank you to to consider my appeal.

Y

Yeah otherwise I don't have a whole lot to say. You've heard the comments about the windows and.

S

And is that something you're willing to do? Yes, I think that's in uh it's on the blueprint of the.

Y

Of the new edition and the question about the the fire extinguishers, that's something that we can.

Y

Also do are you thinking one per level yeah and if the hallway is long, I think the the one might.

A

Refresh my memory, the one on humber's schoolhouse, I think we had him put one on each end of the.

A

Hallway or something um that one was the new house, the one you're talking yeah, that's right.

X

That's right: yeah I'd have to go back and look okay,.

A

Well, I don't want a fire extinguisher hanging every five feet, but I think within reason, common.

A

Sense here, mr zook would be good at least one on each level. I believe that's within.

A

A reasonable travel distance to get to okay would be really important. Yeah, good, okay, okay, anything.

D

Else yeah, I'm I'm gonna make the motion that uh at the board of county commissioners grant the appeal.

A

And exempt the applicant from installing residential sprinklers under permit uh ra220965.

A

Second motion: second, any further discussion, seeing here, none all in favor, aye, aye, okay, good deal.

D

Thank you. Thank you. We should have a basic blanket on this for houses that don't have electric it.

C

Meets the same requirements, I mean yeah, it's it's going to happen more than once it's an extra step.

D

That we're doing here- but you know, I think it's an important extra step to put eyes on the folks that.

A

Are attempting to do it to you know to just express some of these answers? The other way.

A

Well, I just think it's sounds like an open admin discussion: okay, let's move.

B

On design of headquarters facility for the carroll county, sheriff's department.

Z

Good morning, commissioners, good morning good morning,.

Z

We're here today to request your approval.

Z

To continue the architectural and civil engineering design with mans woodward studios for.

Z

A new headquarters facility for the carroll county, sheriff's department and the amount of two million.

Z

Five hundred sixty two thousand three hundred dollars in november of 2015.

Z

A request for proposals was issued, a solicitation process was issued and we received.

Z

15 proposals of those 15 three were shortlisted in which mans woodward studios was awarded was the.

Z

Highest ranked firm and was awarded the contract to begin the design work of the new facility.

Z

It was determined after they began looking at it, that the location.

Z

For the renovation was not conducive to the needs of the sheriff's department and a series.

Z

Of locations were taken into consideration with man woodward studios, preparing the design, work.

Z

For various reasons, the project was put on hold until 2022. The intention is to move forward with.

Z

The design engineering of the headquarters facility located on ralph street within the.

Z

Greenwood avenue complex, we feel that moving forward with man's woodward studios is under.

Z

Who is under contract and has previous working knowledge of the project has.

Z

Prepared a needs assessment based on the agency's requirements is in the best interest of the county.

Z

I'm going to turn it over to john and eric good morning. Commissioners, good.

AA

Morning for your time this morning, um to just further emphasize uh prior comments.

AA

The bureau of building construction will be managing this project moving forward.

AA

As kerry said, the building's located on, what's known as the greenwood avenue complex.

AA

And would say that the the fee that we are requesting approval of is about nine percent.

AA

Of total construction cost, which is less than our budget, and it's actually less than what we.

AA

Use for estimated cip design and engineering fees, which range between 13 to 15 percent.

AA

Be happy to answer any further questions that you might have. I like that last part.

B

um So this is already in a budget. We've already basically approved we're just awarding the.

E

Contract to this company, that's coming correct. It seems like not like I'll make the motion board of.

E

Commissioners award the contract for the design of headquarters facility for the carroll county.

E

Sheriff's department to mans woodworth studios in the amount of 2 million to 565 thousand 300.

E

Seconds second, actually 2, 000, sorry yeah. I apologize. I said that one more time.

E

2 million sixty two thousand three hundred dollars. I will second yeah. Okay got a motion. Second, any.

D

Discussion, I just want to state that considering our sheriff is headquartered in a building. I.

F

Was built, I believe in 1838. This is a long, long overdue and we hope this one lasts just as long.

D

Okay, all in favor aye aye. Thank you, commissioners appreciate you thank.

F

You for all your work on this. This means a lot to the community and our deputies.

D

Fy 23 sampling, testing and reporting services for the hampstead wastewater treatment plant.

Z

The office of procurement, in cooperation with the bureau of utilities, request your approval.

Z

To award a contract for fluent sampling, laboratory testing and reporting services.

Z

For the hampstead wastewater treatment plant to maryland environmental service.

Z

And the amount of forty thousand seven hundred twenty five dollars and ninety cents.

Z

uh Maryland environmental service is a current approved term contractor, and this proposed work is.

Z

Within the adopted budget, no additional funds will be necessary. Gentlemen, as kerry just said, that.

AB

This request is for the continuation of the work that has been performed by maryland environmental.

AB

Service for the sampling, testing and reporting services for the hampstead wastewater treatment.

AB

Plant and effluent discharges into both piney run and deep run. These services were initiated in 2020.

AB

As the hampstead plant transitioned into the more complicated enr treatment process and reporting.

AB

Requirements I do want to point out a minor typo on the briefing paper.

AB

And under background the the year, 2019 should actually be year 2020, so I do apologize for that.

AB

um The maryland environmental services does does provide similar services for dozens of other water.

AB

And wastewater treatment plants and jurisdictions throughout the state of maryland, including our own.

AB

uh Freedom, water treatment plant and the state of maryland's freedom, wastewater treatment plan.

AB

Mes has dedicated staff for these services and is.

AB

Very familiar with the maryland department of the environment's mandated testing and reporting.

AB

Requirements mes will ensure that all testing parameters and reporting tasks meet or exceed.

AB

These requirements, the scope of work, also includes continued mes assistance with the renewal of the.

AB

Plant's mde discharge permit the application for the for the permit. Renewal has been made.

AB

And we do expect that there will be complications and challenges for us to work through with respect.

AB

To the enr treatment aspects, as well as the dual discharge points to both piney run and deep run.

AB

Mes assistance with these overall services will allow plant staff to focus fully on the operation.

AB

Of our of our facility- and this is even more critical now as we are one person short on the.

AB

Overall five-person staff, any questions for me yeah, they were already doing it.

C

What they've been doing so I moved the board of commissioners award of contract for affluent.

C

Sampling laboratory testing reporting services for the hampstead wastewater treatment plant to.

C

Maryland environmental service in the amount of forty seven thousand forty seven thousand seven.

C

Hundred twenty five dollars and ninety cents, no forty thousand seven hundred and twenty.

Z

Five dollars and ninety seven forty thousand seven hundred twenty five dollars. What did I say.

D

Said exactly what you just said: okay, you did say forty thousand seven hundred forty seven.

C

That was close. I have a motion and a second for seven hundred twenty five dollars: nine cents.

D

Okay, discussion all in favor all right now, let's talk about sykesville.

D

Or freedom? Excuse me: freedom, district, water treatment plan.

Z

The office of procurement and cooperation with bureau of utilities request your approval to.

Z

Award a contract for water, sampling, laboratory testing and reporting services for the freedom.

Z

District water treatment plant to maryland environmental service, an amount of 28 861.55 cents.

Z

Maryland environmental service is one of our approved term contractors.

Z

And the proposed work is within the in the adopted budget. No additional funds will be necessary.

AB

Gentlemen, transitioning now to to the water treatment plant. This is a continuation for for the.

AB

Same same reporting, sampling testing and reporting services that has been done since since 2019 and.

AB

As you have heard me state in the previous item, this similar work is done for numerous others.

AB

Jurisdictions and plans throughout the state by by mayoral environmental services, mes is.

AB

Very familiar with the the merrill departments of the environment's mandated testing and reporting.

AB

uh Requirements and and have done an excellent job for us. In years past freedom, water plant.

AB

Staff interact with mbs staff on a routine basis and are kept apprised of all sampling and testing.

AB

Test results and any issues that may pop up there have been very, very minor issues in years past.

AB

Can continue to mes support what these services will allow staff to focus on the on the day-to-day.

AB

Operational challenges associated with the plant and and our water plant is also currently one.

AB

Person short of the overall nine-person staff, why is it so much cheaper in freedom than hampstead.

AB

The the testing requirements are are much less for water treatment as compared to the.

AB

The uh wastewater aspects uh believe it or not: it's kind of somewhat surprising, based on.

A

I think it'd be the other way around. I'm glad it's sampling and testing not.

F

Tasting I'd pass on that tour yeah this one you'd be okay with the first one. Now.

D

I'm with the board of commissioner water contract for water sampling, laboratory.

D

Testing and reporting services for the freedom district, water treatment plant.

D

To mes in the amount of twenty eight thousand eight hundred six one dollars, fifty five cents.

D

Second motion: second, a discussion seen here: none all in favor, aye, hi hi. Thank you so much. Okay,.

D

Chris, is there any uh callers? Okay, I have no callers on the line. Okay,.

D

Open admin, anything we want to talk about for open admin.

D

D

On up the next contestant.

D

Okay: let's go over agendas.

D

uh Monday july 18th we have nothing scheduled july 19th. There's a planning commission.

D

Meeting in at 9 00 a.m: commercial, lance in the reagan, room and then veterans advisory, meeting.

D

Commissioner weaver, you will be attending. I will not wednesday july 20th. Chesapeake connect 2022.

D

In ohio I see in detroit, commissioner, wants and remember you're also going to be attending that.

D

As well and then you'll be going through thursday, um friday friday, going through friday, I apologize.

D

uh Our chief administrator and commissioner lance on thursday, we will have session at 0-9.

D

Approval at fy, 23 town, county agreement, what folks on westminster, janitorial cleaning.

D

Supplies and related products. You sure you want to miss that. I know I'm. Okay, I'm.

A

Rethinking you know I'll cancel detroit. The excavator might have me santoria.

D

Virtual one excavator pipe replacement, sam's creek road at buffalo, road energy.

D

Management control services and a purchase of another excavator, so there's two excavators.

H

That's not right! That's mine, okay! Well, then, I'm good okay as a deal breaker.

D

uh Board of education meeting, commissioner frazier will be attending at 5 p.m.

D

And I'll walk in the park at freedom park, commissioner boucher will be attending at 6 00 pm.

D

I'd like to go to walk in the park, if I get out of board of ed at five next, but that won't happen so.

T

It's scheduled through until nine or ten o'clock so friday, uh commission whites will still be.

D

With commissioner, with uh administrator windham in detroit saturday at 6, 45.

D

The baltimore symphony orchestra uh will be performing at the carroll community college.

D

I believe it's a free concert to all it's an outdoor concert, commissioner,.

D

Frazier lance weaver and I will be attending and podcast will be, commissioner, wants that morning on.

D

July 24th huh you playing with the bso now they called not I'm just I'm really I'll be in detroit.

B

So I would, you know, wouldn't be able to practice right up to the list. Okay, the following week.

D

July 25th 26th: we have nothing scheduled 27th commission on aging disabilities, you'll be.

D

Attending yeah participating at 10 00 o'clock, thursday, the 28th we'll have open session.

D

And right now we have carroll county code of public local laws and oranges. Chapter 36.

D

Personnel policies that is scheduled and we'll see, if anything, adds to that I'll say I'm not going to.

E

Be here on 28th you'll be missed; okay, we'll all celebrate just saying: how did that one has to be.

T

There yeah that has to go forward, no just a public hearing yeah. You can hear those comments later on.

A

There is that's a legal requirement, I think right. Where are you going to detroit? It's been advertised as the 28th, so we can't change. Are you going to detroit? Okay.

D

Until rudely interrupted I'll continue friday 29th, we have nothing saturday 30th. We have nothing.

D

And 31st, I'm looking forward to commissioner weaver's podcast.

D

Is there anything more for the good of the crew.

F

I want to compliment commercial ralstein on moving proficiently.

F

Through a very aggressive budget this morning, thank you very much. You're welcome.

A

Think about it! Okay, take next week I'll take the week after just saying.

D

Anything for the good, the group- I don't believe we have anything.

D

Closed or so I need a motion to return. Listen to adjourn. Second, I got a motion. I got a second.

D

Any further discussion scene here, none all in favor, aye aye against.

D