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Description
A
As
always
before,
we
start,
let's
take
a
moment
to
stand
for
pledge
of
allegiance
and
moments.
A
Okay,
I
feel
like
every
thursday,
I'm
saying
something
to
this
effect.
A
Pushing
strength
and
courage
for
those
loved
ones
of
those
that
lost
their
lives
in
michigan.
B
State
the
other
day
and
continuing
to
go
through
the
recovery
in
turkey
and
syria.
A
Extreme
tragedy:
let's
start
with
commissioner
pigliotti.
What's
on
your
mind,
oh
thank
you
very.
E
So
I'll,
let
others
talk
about
the
community
or
the
college
board
trustees.
I
know
everybody.
E
Attended
that
the
other
day
I
have
been
out
and
about
speaking
with
those
who
are
for
and
against.
E
E
Continued
input
that
we've
had
and
having
the
chance
to
see
some
things
first
hand
on
the
ground.
E
Public
hearing
coming
up
on
february
23rd
at
6
p.m.
Here,
in
the
reagan,
room.
E
Locally
new
windsor
is
going
to
be
holding
a
station
format.
Town
hall
on
thursday.
E
Questions
about
the
ongoing
maryland
route,
31
improvements,
project
questions
are
going
to.
E
High
street
is
strongly
encouraged
to
attend.
On
monday,
I
had
the
chance
to
visit
the
future.
E
Northwest
regional
park
north
of
taneytown
along
route
194
along
with
parks
and
rec.
H
Digital
media
manager
for
swam
swam
northwest
park
is
a
145
acre
site
that
was
purchased
in.
B
2019
using
program
open
space
funds
and
that's
funding
that
could
only
be
used
for
the.
E
Purchasing
of
parkland
before
this
purchaser
were
no
county-owned
parks
that
existed
west.
H
Of
littlestown
pike
north
of
middleboro
road,
the
future
park
has
50
acres
of
existing
forest.
B
Piney
creek
later
on
this
year,
we're
going
to
be
soliciting
proposals
for
a
design
firm
to.
H
Develop
a
master
plan
for
the
site,
that's
going
to
include
public
meetings,
citizen
input.
B
Consideration
various
amenities,
etc.
Details
about
these
are
going
to
be
forthcoming
and,
as.
E
A
as
an
amazing
side
note
you
see
some
of
these
photos
that
mr
swam
had
taken.
He
was
operating.
E
Of
the
operations
that
go
on
at
that
courthouse,
you
know
one
of
the
really
cool
things
and
you
saw.
D
A
picture
there
a
second
ago,
was
that
we
have
a
legal
library
here
in
carroll,
county
and.
B
And
in
this
country,
and
of
course
you
saw
in
another
picture-
there
judge
de
leonardo.
E
Hanging
over
the
the
side
of
the
bench
of
the
fronts,
it
was
a
good
tour
and
again
it's
open.
E
To
anybody
and
again
the
illegal
libraries
open
to
the
public,
and
that
is
it
for
me
for
today.
A
K
Commissioneri
mentioned
the
carroll
community
college
presentation.
It
was
awesome.
B
I
think
that
impressed
me
the
most.
The
information
was
good.
B
K
B
Of
the
addition,
when
they
build
it-
and
it's
just
again
something
I
mentioned.
K
B
And
it
seems
like
everybody
in
carroll
county
seems
to
reach
out
and
work
with
all
the
other.
K
Room
or
a
building
or
whatever
and
and
that's
impressive,
I
met
with
jeff
davis,
wrecking.
K
Again,
as
commissioner
said,
I've
met
with
some
solar
people
on
both
sides
of
the
fence.
Looked
at.
B
K
Public
hearing
I'm
scheduling
some
various
meetings
with
some
of
the
fire
companies
and.
B
B
J
A
lot
of
young
guys
jumping
into
that
people-
that's
you
know,
say
the
young,
young
men
and
women.
L
B
C
A
Thank
you,
he
is
the
esteemed.
So,
commissioner,
gordon
thank
you
first
and
foremost
wanted.
B
B
History
contest:
this
year's
topic
is
frontiers
in
history,
people
places
and
ideas.
It's
a
great.
D
D
Suggest
you
take
a
look
at
that
if
you
have
the
time
I'd
also
like
to
thank
last
week,
we
had.
B
M
The
board
of
elections
and
I
truly
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
everyone
does
over
at
board
of.
M
Elections
as
the
public,
we
all
know,
you
know
when
you
vote
and
you
understand
the
process
in.
N
M
M
Grants
for
crosswalks,
which
is
a
wonderful
situation,
given
the
concerning
issues
that
seem.
O
Additional
improvements
to
these
crosswalks
and
we
won't
have
any
injuries
or
fatalities.
M
M
Move
forward
and
have
conversations
with
them,
it
was
much
appreciated
to
see
that
sort
of.
M
I
Without
question
also
this
week
I
met
with
richard
turner,
the
county
of
the
community
media.
B
B
As
I
think
many
of
my
fellow
commissioners
have,
I
did
learn
some
very
interesting
facts,
though.
B
Media
center
has
in
the
county,
so
we
are
above
and
beyond
in
that
fashion,
as
we
move
forward.
M
A
You,
commissioner,
thank
you
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
I
first
want
to
thank
the
emergency.
B
In
it
and
you've
got
you've
got
some
amazing
people
running
in
the
name
of
rick
baker.
So
I.
B
Every
one
of
those
individuals
we
have
two
doctors
on
the
east
act.
It's
an
extraordinary
group
of.
P
P
D
The
transition
process
taking
place-
it
is
anything
but
simple,
but
the
esac
is
playing
such
a.
B
Critical
role
and
I'm
so
grateful
for
them
and
I'm
always
looking
forward
to
those
meetings.
It's.
D
Been
mentioned,
we
did
meet
with
the
carroll
county,
the
carroll
community
college
board
of
trustees.
P
B
P
P
P
B
Coming
down
the
road
to
tell
our
county
health
department
how
to
run
things,
it
seems
like
it's.
P
And
if
I
had
a
billion
dollars,
I
may
not
be
able
to
negate
some
of
the
real
negative
effects.
P
Of
that
blueprint
coming
down
the
pike,
so
yeah
I'll
continue
to
speak
on
this,
because.
P
B
P
Okay,
just
a
couple
things
one
last
week,
it
was
thursday.
J
The
cca
came
and
saw
me
on
to
speak.
I
think
there
was
like
five
or
six
of
them.
D
We
had
a
very
good
candid
conversation
for
about
an
hour.
You
know
talking
about
budget.
B
Talking
about
you
know
their
priorities,
ours
and
you
know
the
the
key
takeaway
from
me.
J
Thing
with
ccps
and
the
board
of
education
as
we
move
forward,
it's
not
our
budget.
B
Just
want
to
share,
especially
when
it
comes
to
people
and
time
as
highlighting
the
sheriff.
J
And
his
department
yesterday
was
the
school
resource
officer
recognition
day.
I
believe.
A
Nobody
does
it
better
than
us,
and
I
I've
shared
with
other
jurisdictions,
how
they
use
their
sros.
A
You
know
the
the
center
of
attention
for
so
many
students,
because
they
want
to
be
around
them
as.
B
Opposed
to
somebody
in
khakis
in
a
polo
shirt,
that's
not
how
we
should
present
ourselves.
A
And
recognition,
and
also
the
work
you
did
in
your
department
last
week
and
in
a
very.
A
Difficult
situation
where
it
took
a
region,
you
know
to
take
care
of
some
nefarious
issues.
A
Part
is
that
our
sheriff,
along
with,
I
believe,
the
police
forces
in
the
region.
A
And
allowing
us
to
know
what
goes
on
the
whole
time.
So
thank
you
and
then,
and
also
those
for
the.
A
Men
and
women,
you
know
in
red
and
as
we
move
forward
with
our
fire
ems,
you
know.
A
When
I
ran
the
installation,
80
of
my
fire
calls
were
outside
the
fence
line.
So
it's
all
about
that.
B
Mutual
aid-
it's
all
about
that
that
partnership
and
sheriff
you
and
your
team
have
shown.
B
A
The
schools
with
sros-
and
you
know
just
want
to
to
recognize
that
so
with
that
said,
and
I.
B
Know
you're
going
to
want
to
say
a
few
words
about
this,
but
let
me
let
me
pause
that
for
a
second.
K
Q
It's
amazing
well
good
morning,
good
morning,
so
we
are
just
a
little
over
a
month
from
crossover.
B
Less
technical,
state-related
issues,
sunset
reviews
that
kind
of
thing
so
we're
going
to.
B
Be
getting
into
some
serious
stuff
here
very
quickly,
so
the
governor's
agenda
has
been.
Q
Put
forward
his
bills,
you
know
his
agenda
was
attacking
child
poverty
and
supporting
veterans.
Q
Q
B
B
His
people,
or
will
have
all
his
people
in
place
very
shortly
as
far
as
the
bills
that
that
are.
Q
B
Close
eye
on
it
because
of
how
critical
it
is
so
it
it
did
get
out
of
budget
tax
yesterday
on.
B
Put
forward
late
on
purchasing
and
increasing
the
purchasing
limit
that
actually
has
been
dropped.
B
At
the
late
97
it
will
require
delegation
meeting
to
put
it
forward,
but
it
sounds
like.
B
They'll
be
fine
with
doing
that.
We,
we
will
have
to
put
an
amendment
in
to
change
the
title.
B
Of
the
permanent
officer,
so
that's
not
that
big
of
a
deal
a
little
bit
of
good
news
here
and
there.
B
Committee
of
the
house,
the
environment
subcommittee,
looked
at
that
yesterday.
B
Q
B
Did
insert
maintaining
stakeholder
engagement
throughout
the
process,
something
we
thought
was.
B
B
B
B
B
Year,
23.,
so
this
bill
would
extend
it
another
additional
two
years
which
hopefully
will
help.
B
With
retention
there
and
then
house
bill
849,
which
the
bloodsafe
committee
make
a
legislative.
B
Committee
considered
yesterday
would
change
the
way
enforcement
is
done
on
school
buses.
So
you.
B
Know
the
sacrosanct
aspect
of
not
passing
the
school
bus
with
flashing
red
lights,
currently.
B
B
The
first
and
second
violations,
most
of
the
people,
felt
that
that
was
probably
inappropriate.
B
That
really,
the
point
is
to
prevent
these
things
from
occurring
beyond
beyond
the
first.
B
Infractions
so
the
legislative
committee
to
oppose
that,
and-
and
this
is
one
of
the
things.
B
B
Q
Yeah
yeah,
it
was
very
interesting
proposition
right
and
you
mentioned
catherine
berry.
B
Here
last
week,
and
we're
very
fortunate
that
she
is
also
the
legislative
liaison
for
the
boards.
B
Have
an
impact
on
carroll
county.
She
believes
that
they're,
probably
not
going
to
pass
in
their.
B
Current
construction,
but
we're
still
going
to
keep
an
eye
on
them
so
just
quickly
95
requires.
B
Some
written
and
oral
instructions
for
election
judges
to
assist
the
elderly
or
disabled.
It's
very.
B
Prescriptive
all
the
way
down
to
the
size
of
the
signs
and
the
language
in
the
signs.
That's.
B
B
Beyond
after
registration
closes,
I
think
it's
30
days
before
the
primary
well,
this
bill
would.
B
Q
B
Check
each
signature
cross
check
it
with
with
registration
records
and
then
house
bill.
35
is.
B
B
B
Self-Identify
as
a
disabled
person,
and
so
it
requires
the
the
board
to
set.
Q
And
then
the
last
one
senate
bill
339
has
to
do
with
recounts.
Q
And
then,
lastly
cynical
45,
I
think
the
sheriff
is
probably
happy
to
see
this.
B
D
Q
It
provides
funding
for
local
governments
and
and
citizens
when
there
is
a
disaster.
B
Declared
but
it
applies
when
the
state
declares
it,
but
when
it's
not
a
federal.
B
That's
something
we
can
be
happy
about
and
again
I've
provided
you
with
the
list.
B
The
discussions,
so
I
haven't
indicator,
I
think
at
least
one
or
two
of
these
probably
changed.
K
A
question
that
that,
obviously
I
don't
understand,
but
I
think
everybody
might
like.
K
B
What's
the
timing
of
that
is
that
you
know
when
does
that
happen
and
and
that
what
made
me
think.
B
B
Q
No
question:
okay,
any
other
comments,
good
good
question.
Thank
you
very
much
again.
P
B
Again,
rex
is
at
at
east
middle
as
you
go
to
the
southern
part
of
the
county.
John
welte
is
over
at.
B
Oklahoma,
road,
middle
school,
jessica,
schneider,
who
is
actually
the
face
of
our
organization
right.
C
School
and
helping
down
south
is
brian
puff.
T
I
can
throw
his
face
out
every
month
and
and
get
thousands
of
comments
on
him.
He's
such
a
good
good.
B
B
Protect
the
lives
of
the
kids
there
and
that's
their
primary
responsibility.
Don't
get
me
wrong.
B
B
D
And
so
they
did
a
wonderful
job,
they
absolutely
did
a
wonderful
job.
The
students.
B
Were
actually
leaving
the
school,
the
pathway,
that
would
that
the
majority,
I
think
scott.
B
Tells
me
that
there's
about
200
kids
that
walk
through
that
school,
they
would
have.
B
A
Like
that
took
off
I'll
tell
you,
this
is
what
needs
to
be
in
the
paper.
This
is
the
information.
C
Women
in
our
in
our
schools,
so
you
didn't,
you
didn't
mess
around
with
it,
which
was
which.
S
Was
a
good
idea,
and
then
you
also
mentioned
we
look
like
this
every
day
when
we
go
in.
E
You
know
it
helps
to
change
a
socio-cultural
reality.
I
mean
we're
dealing
with
with
a
such
a.
E
Am
going
to
continue
to
support
the
sro
program
because,
again
you
know
you're
changing
hearts.
S
When
necessary,
you
take
care
of
it.
We
do
and
we've
seen
that
and
I
rely
on
phil.
I
rely
on
curtis.
T
E
B
Greatly
appreciate
it,
I
will
share
one
little
fun
tidbit
from
a
couple
years
ago
to
the.
B
Sheriff's
point:
you
know
you
all
are
uniform.
Had
a
dear
friend
at
her
young
son
at
the.
E
Time
was
very
enamored
with
law
enforcement,
very
young
young
age,
and
there
was
a
deputy.
C
Someplace-
and
it
was
near
the
house-
so
he
just
happened
to
be
there.
There
was
nothing
going
on.
J
A
I
suppose
hey
we're
previously
approved,
grant
funding
for
the
carroll
county
sheriff's.
P
V
D
Access
to
that
and
it
does
dose
the
gamut
of
of
resources
for
wellness
to
tips
to
down
to.
S
A
lot
of
benefits
from
from
that
particular
app,
and
it
is
a
great
funded
program.
S
Enforcement,
it's
a
good
question.
I
would
say
there
would
be
additional
items
to
add.
B
Some
of
the
features
for
law
enforcement,
but
it
obviously
overlaps
we'd,
have
to
see.
I.
B
Aye:
okay:
let's
talk
about
patrol
program.
S
So
I
got
a
request
about
a
month
ago
to
go
over
the
bus
patrol
program.
B
C
The
director
of
transportation
for
carroll,
county
public
schools,
so
any
question
that
needs
to
be.
B
Answered,
I
I
think
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
get
it
answered,
so
the
first
slides
the
law
and
and.
S
We
put
out
an
awful
lot
annually
when
it
comes
to
public
service
announcements.
With
this.
B
D
Public
service
announcements
on
tv,
cable,
tv,
the
radio,
whatever
whatever
is
possible
in.
B
S
S
B
Roadway
that
has
a
median
strip
a
good
example
would
be
route
26
in
eldersburg.
It's
got
a.
B
B
We
can,
when
it
comes
to
a
little
out
there,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
a
responsibility
of.
B
Go
along
I'll
show
you
a
video
where
that
takes
place,
so
the
contract
itself.
D
Then,
of
course,
the
board
board
of
commissioners,
so
we
entered
into
a
contractor
in
carroll.
S
County
public
schools
did
in
june
of
2020
and
the
first
violation
for
the
bus
arms
started.
B
September,
2020.
and
so
boss
patrol
at
no
cost
to
carroll
county
at
all
to
the
public.
B
S
Then
the
technology
fees
of
collably
storage
of
folks
reviewing
citations
on
their
end.
S
Monthly
and
and
you
can
do
the
math
well
mike-
and
I
looked
at
it
it's
about.
S
B
All
the
fees
that
go
associated
with
managing
that
technology
costs
about
a
hundred
and
thirty.
B
Thousand
dollars
a
month
for
all
the
buses
in
the
fleet
so
kind
of
I'll
give
you
the
enforcement.
B
Statistics
we
launched
this
in
2020
during
the
pandemic
and
and
nobody
could
have
predicted.
B
D
B
B
Less
than
three
percent
repeat
offenders,
so
there's
a
lot
of
this
is
working.
Are
we.
B
This
county
is
less
than
three
percent.
What
we
do
see
from
time
to
time
are.
S
S
Figuring
those
out-
and
we
can
gather
statistics
on
on
those
issues
and
that's
just
another.
S
Another
slide
on
enforcement,
so
we
this
is
legislated.
There
was
friendly
legislation.
S
S
S
S
S
Thank
you,
and
then
this
is
a.
This
is
over
on
john
street.
S
S
That
is
a
typical
violation
that
we
see
regularly
I'll
show
it
to
you
again
the
reason
that
the.
S
S
Than
not
that's
what
we
see
the
the
stop
arms
that
come
out,
the
stop
signs
that
come.
S
S
Of
the
bus
they
come
on
instantly
once
the
the
driver
throws
them
on
the
stop.
Arms
are
hydraulic.
S
And
they
take,
they
stopped
sign
itself
is
hydraulic,
and
that
takes
a
second
to
get
out.
S
S
S
S
S
S
About
four
percent
of
the
violators
request
court
138
of
those
paid
before
they
even
got
to
court.
S
Guilty-
and
we
learned
that
early
on
specifically
there's
two
district
court.
S
Which
was
the
least
court,
the
least
companies
and
here's
here's
just
another.
Statistical.
S
S
Citation
fee
and
then
the
last
is
just
an
another
overview
of
the
technology.
What
we're.
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
But
that
that
fee
has
not
been
met,
so
we
we
aren't
even
close
to
that.
So.
S
S
S
It
didn't
matter
to
us.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
we
were
360
when
it
came
to
student
safety.
S
S
S
S
S
Like
the
system,
the
the
issue
is
going
to
be
for
mr
hardesty
and
and
cindy
to
to
figure
out
the.
S
A
To
let
that
sink
in
wow
you
just
play
that
as
a
continent
that
is
a
first
I'll
be
in
next
week.
A
For
the
briefing
any
comments,
questions
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment,
a
couple
comments,
one.
I.
K
K
That
this
go
through
before
somebody
gets
a
fine.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention.
K
Had
to
be
installed
in
their
buses
and
and
you
know,
they
needed
training
and
and
everybody.
K
S
F
Pleased
with
the
overall
bus
patrol
contract,
obviously
there's
some
things
to
work
out
with.
F
You
know
what
we,
what
we
see
is
a
technology
deficit
right
now,
but
we
we
lost
a
whole
year.
The.
F
Starting
as
as
normal
and
even
into
the
21
year,
we
didn't
see
the
number
of
motorists
on
the
road.
F
F
F
F
Violations
of
stop-arm
violations
and
and
our
average,
as
reported
by
bus
drivers,
was
about
92.
F
On
that
one
day,
look
at
things
and
across
the
state
and
across
the
country.
It's
a
tremendous.
F
Problem
with
motorists
violating
the
law,
so
we
knew
it
was
a
serious
problem
and
so.
F
Every
day,
so
you
know
we're
assured
that
these
cameras
are
on
every
single
bus
and
we
have
the.
F
S
S
F
Extremely
valuable,
commissioner,
almost
every
day
at
least
one
school
is
requesting.
F
Video
based
upon
something
that
happened
on
the
bus,
so
you
know
it
it's
a
tremendous.
A
Y
Up
children
on
the
north
side
of
26,
it
was
going
westbound
and-
and
I
was
a
couple
cars
behind.
Y
It
and
a
car
just
pulled
out
from
in
front
of
me
and
went
into
the
yeah
suicide
lane
and.
Y
S
County,
so
it's
pretty
140
once
you
get
west
of
of
you
know,
westminster
is,
is
tulane
but
140.
S
S
S
E
Z
And
this
year
is
no
different.
We
have,
throughout
the
past
year,
come
up
with
some.
Z
Z
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
Z
Z
Things
that
we
cert
the
population
that
we
serve
here
in
carroll
with
our
housing
choice.
Z
Z
U
Within
the
program
as
well
yeah,
I
appreciate
that
and
the
integrated
approach
that
you
do
have.
A
A
Redundancies
and
duplication-
you
do
a
great
job
with
it,
and
you
know
how
I
feel
about
that.
A
M
M
A
R
N
Rezoning
case
228
eldersburg
investors
llc.
This
is
similar
to
the
case
that
you
heard
a
few
weeks.
N
N
N
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
Mean
isn't
that
yeah?
That's
weird
yeah
we're
not
quite
clear
on
that
comment
either
as
far.
A
D
D
D
D
A
A
D
D
D
D
J
Okay
and
where
would
the
closest
c3
zoned
property
be
to
this
location
here,
I'm.
N
Yeah
tour
32
intersections
it's
not
there.
It's
way
down
by
2632
intersections.
P
There's
a
difference,
but
it
I
mean
I'm
reading
through
the
slides.
It's
a
level
of.
N
N
N
A
use
out
here
so
hannah:
can
you
just
give
them
a
briefing
of
what
the
difference
between.
A
To
understand
that,
it's
not
you
know
we're
doing
this
model
another
plate.
This.
A
Is
one-of-a-kind
model,
so
it
does
in
that
sense
conform
to
the
rest
of
it,
but
they're
still.
A
The
question
where
else
is
c3
so
but
go
ahead.
So
in
your
booklet,
the
definition
of
the.
D
D
D
D
A
Going
back
to
the
c2
and
c3
differences.
A
Permitted
and
conditional
uses
there's
no
differences
in
the
the
height
restrictions
and.
A
A
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
N
A
D
Them
they
felt
that
the
water
and
sewer
amendment
constituted
a
change
in
their
opinion,
yeah.
K
N
Address
some
of
that
in
their
report
with
their
intent
is
but
again
when
you
make.
N
A
So
that
gives
it
another
dynamic.
So,
okay,
are
there
any
other
questions
for
our
staff
at.
R
R
That
a
part
of
the
record
for
today's
hearing,
if
you
can
thanks,
okay
and
just
to
clarify.
P
A
Correct
we
went
through
properties
specifically
on
south
of
liberty,
road
that
we
moved
from.
A
Was
just
to
conform,
the
south
part
of
liberty,
road
into
into
more
of
a
commercial
district.
So,
okay.
AA
AA
AA
J
R
A
So
organized,
but
thank
you
it's
just
saying
I
mean
it
was
you
know
one
thing
after
another.
AA
AA
X
X
AA
AA
And
can
you
tell
us
just
a
little
bit
about
st
john
properties
in
general.
X
X
Mill
near
baltimore,
we
have
been
for
the
last
50
years,
developing
business
parks
in
and
around.
X
Office,
industrial
space
that
we
lease
to
businesses
and
such
we're
a
long-term,
real.
AA
AA
Carroll
county,
so
we
have
a
acquisitions
group.
I
mentioned
that
we
do
our
work
from.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
X
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
X
AA
Checked
in
carroll
county,
yes,
is
liberty
exchange
a
good
example
of
the
type.
AA
We
come
up
with
you
know:
a
liberty
exchange
type
product,
so
liberty
exchange
is
comprised
of
a.
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
Then
the
back
buildings
can
be
a
mix
of
types
of
uses.
As
an
example,
the
the
brewery
was
is
back.
X
X
X
X
X
AA
AA
AA
Business
park
model
appealing
sure
I
mentioned
earlier
when
I
was
talking
about
the
different.
X
X
E
X
X
X
X
X
X
K
And
piggybacking
that
question
the
the
flex
buildings
typically
are
built
prior
to
having.
K
K
Or
some
will
also
be,
you
know,
you
don't
know
who's
going
to
be
in
it
yet,
but
you're
building.
X
X
AA
That's
a
good
thing.
No,
that's
a
good
thing.
That's
a
good
thing!
We
moved
we
moved
efficiently.
I.
AA
Like
it
so,
mr
pilon,
you
understand
that
that
this
petition,
if
approved,
would
result
in.
AA
AA
One
quick
follow-up
to
my
entity
question
about
eldersburg
investors
too.
Can
you
confirm.
AA
Yes,
no,
I
appreciate
that
and
then
circling
back
to
some
of
the
discussions
about
the
flex.
AA
Buildings,
can
you
also
confirm
that
the
st
john
properties
model
usually
is
a
bricking
glass
type.
AA
A
A
A
Continue
to
succeed-
and
you
know
speaking
to
and
I
know
he's
back
there
somewhere,
mr
lyburn
on.
A
A
Think
is
still
probably
the
largest
county
that
st
john
has
property,
maybe
baltimore
yeah
I
mean.
A
A
With
the
county
executive
at
that
time
led
to
a
lot
of
success.
St
john
is
a
contributor.
A
You
know,
just
as
I
get
donations
or
whatever
contributions
from
others
which
doesn't
bother.
A
A
Not
always
going
your
way
or
st
john's
way,
and
it's
been
very
clear,
so
yeah
just
I
want
my.
A
You
mentioned
anne
arundel
county.
I
think
we're
the
second
largest
taxpayer
in
anne
arundel
county.
X
I've
been
with
ed
since
1997
at
st
john
and
it
almost
every
business
park
in
anne
arundel,
county.
X
Now
that
we've
developed,
it's
got
my
name
on
it
as
development
manager.
So
it's
been
a
place.
E
E
I
I've
got
that
so
far.
Okay,
yes,
yeah,
no,
more
questions
for
me.
At
this
particular
moment,
yeah.
J
P
Those
type
of
questions
I
think
they
have
every
right
to
do
so
and
they
they
do
deserve
an
answer.
P
P
P
P
A
I'm
making
it
very
clear
that
I'm
unbiased,
I'm
being
very
clear.
I
hold
my
ethics
in
the
highest.
A
A
Circular
and
it's
in
many
cases
very
embarrassing
that
we
can't
get
through.
E
AA
Reason,
commissioner,
vigliotti,
that
I
think
led
you
to
ask
that
initial
question,
which
is.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
At
that
time,
so
to
get
to
your
question
the
two
principal
statements
allegations,
however,
you.
AA
AA
AA
Which
significantly
changes
the
development
potential
and
use
potential
say
that
one
more.
E
AA
AA
X
X
X
AA
AA
A
And
zoning
commission
and
she
did
disclose
that
that
she
was
the
agent
got
it:
okay,
okay,.
AA
AA
I
call
him
andy
so
so
don't
don't
hold
that
against
me.
If
I,
if
I
slip
andy,
can
you
please.
AA
T
T
A
bachelor's
degree
in
landscape
architecture
and
also
I've
been
practicing
a
license
in.
AA
T
At
this
point
and
approximately,
how
long
have
you
worked
in
carroll
county,
my
entire
career,
one.
AA
J
AA
T
AA
AA
Area
to
us,
as
has
been
mentioned
previously,
it's
largely
comprised
of
the
liberty
road.
T
AA
AA
AA
Does
that
show
the
properties
kind
of
in
the
upper
left
corner
there?
Yes,
it
does
okay
and
can.
AA
AA
That
that
is
the
maryland.
I'm
sorry
protection.
I'm
sorry!
So
you
said
maryland.
Forest
protection.
T
AA
T
AA
AA
Mr
stein,
are
you
familiar
with
the
liberty,
what's
known
as
the
liberty
exchange
project.
T
AA
AA
T
AA
Can
happen
on
a
site
that
a
site
can
be
developed
with
it?
It
does
not.
There
are
numerous
concerns.
AA
AA
Currently,
would
the
common
ownership
allow
for
a
more
central
access
point
here?
Yes,
it
could.
T
Entry
and
exit
from
the
various
parcels
to
be
concentrated
at
one
point.
Actually,
I'm
gonna
back.
AA
AA
AA
Andy,
yes,
can
you
explain
just
briefly
how
how
these
individual
parcels
currently
access
liberty.
AA
Road
371
and,
I
believe,
is
373
liberty
road
accessed
through
a
shared
driveway
on
the
western.
T
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
That
a
drastic
impact
to
a
property,
whether
it
was
had
to
develop
well
and
well
in
septic
versus.
AA
AA
Have
you
had
the
opportunity
in
preparation
through
this
process,
to
review
the
staff
report.
AA
Do
you
agree
with
the
staff
report?
I
do
concur
with
the
staff's
ultimate.
T
AA
T
A
Additional
questions
I
have,
I
have
two
and
if
you
can't
answer
the
one
you
know
off
the
bat.
E
That's
all
right,
I
was
just
kind
of
curious
if
we
know
of
any
other
areas,
you
know
offhand.
E
T
Adjacent
to
conservation
zones-
okay
and
my
my
second
question,
then,
for
you
specifically.
E
You
mentioned
a
little
while
ago
about
you
know,
trying
to
adapt
the
nature
of
the
business
of
the.
E
T
T
E
Thank
you
any
other
questions,
so
liberty
exchange,
though,
has
a
tree
line
behind
it.
It
does.
A
And
pretty
much
surrounded
by
a
tree
line
from
the
neighbors
from
the
housing,
whereas.
A
T
T
And
they
would
be
complied
with.
Okay,
yeah,
it's
just
when
you,
you
know
talk
about
liberty,
I
mean.
A
See
the
street
line
with
liberty
exchange
I'd,
be
interested
and
it's
not
for
you
or
you,
but.
A
For
our
own
team,
there's
a
really
good
question
about
c3
that
that
is
next
to
conservation.
A
A
A
A
A
Will
there's
a
way,
especially
when
it
comes
to
development,
and
if
it
can't
be
this
it'll,
be.
A
A
A
You
know
just
because
you
can
doesn't
mean
you
should,
but
if
there's
a
will,
there's
a.
A
A
Doesn't
meet
that
so,
but
but
I
do
know
the
levels
I
mean
I
I
understand
that,
but.
A
Okay,
what
else
any
any
comments
questions?
And
this
is
our
time
but
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
R
Mr
leibard,
you
swear
affirmed
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
is
true.
Yes,.
AA
Can
you
please
state
your
name
and
your
address
for
the
record
john
lyburn
225
north
center.
H
H
It's
an
easy
answer,
but
a
longer
answer:
liberty
exchange
has
been
one
of
the
most.
H
Successful
projects
we've
had
in
carroll,
county
and
you're
talking
about
yeah
you're
talking.
H
H
H
H
Know
be
a
mirror
image
of
you
know,
liberty
exchange
and
I
think
it's
very
beneficial
for.
H
AA
That
was
my
only
questions
of
mr
lyburn.
Any
questions.
AA
A
L
L
L
L
L
L
Liberty,
when
was
it
called
liberty
exchange
like
facility,
I'm
gonna
lose
a
lot
of
that.
A
All
the
time
for
her
horse
on
those
trails,
and
so
I'm
very
familiar.
Y
O
For
the
opportunity
to
make
speak
to
you
all
commissioners
about
this,
and
I'm
not
going
to.
O
O
O
Which
backs
up
to
it
and
I
moved
to
carroll
county
because
I
wanted
a
safe
place
to
live.
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
Opportunity
to
speak
absolutely,
mr
vaughn,
thank
you
for
the
comments
and
understand
when
you're.
A
O
A
Keep
it
that
way,
just
as
you
do
so
more
of
a
statement
than
questions,
does
anybody
have
any.
A
Questions
or
comments
man,
one
more
thing,
sir.
I
want
eldersburg
like
that
emblem
on
the
behind
you.
A
AA
A
E
I
think
that
question
was
was
pretty.
I
think
it
was
a
pretty
sailing
question
that
the
per
the.
E
E
E
AA
AA
Me
I
appreciate
you
recognizing
the
two
legal
arguments
or
the
two
principal
legal
arguments.
E
AA
I
I
can't
get
into
their
head:
I'm
not
gonna
even
try
to
answer
that
one.
But
if
mr
you
know
mr.
AA
Pilon
wants
to
take
a
stab
at
it.
I
can
recall
him
if
you
would
prefer
me
to,
but
that
one
I
can't.
AA
X
X
X
X
X
X
Several
years
ago,
that
sits
right
on
95
and
it
20
percent,
leased
and
and
so
out
of
a
five-story.
X
X
E
E
X
X
So
as
an
example,
baltimore
county
baltimore
county
does
a
comprehensive
rezoning.
Every
four.
X
X
X
X
X
X
K
Because
I
want
a
a
little
bit
of
what
he
asked
too,
this
is
four
parcels
and
I
know
it's
in.
K
K
X
P
P
To
make
sure
we
did
the
well,
we
actually
petitioned
to
have
it
brought
into
the
public.
X
Sewer
yeah,
so
it
was
part
of,
as
I
mentioned
before,
kind
of
a
strategy
on
how
to
invest.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
sure
you're
welcome.
Did
somebody
have
a
question
for
one
of
the
witnesses.
A
Okay,
I
think
we're
we're
done
unless
you
want
to
make
any
further
comments.
I
did
just
want
to.
AA
AA
AA
AA
You
have
seen
through
all
of
the
exhibits
here,
as
well
as
the
staff
report
and
all
the.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
Use
to
a
like
use
versus
something
entirely
different,
you
heard
from
staff
and
from.
AA
Us
that
the
planning
commissioner
and
the
planning
commission
excuse
me-
and
this.
AA
AA
Comprehensive
rezonings
and
the
comprehensive
buy
request
phase.
I'll
also
note
that
the.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
A
Through
this
and
make
a
decision
in
the
near
future
about
the
request,
we've
done
both.
A
E
E
A
A
Y
K
A
A
Seen
here
in
none
again,
thank
you
all
for
all
of
the
information
you
provided.
A
K
We
just
need
to
do
it
so
item
six
public
comment
on
additional
fees
for.
AB
G
G
G
G
M
G
Started
in
last
year
of
march
has
been
supply
and
chain
issues.
I
understand
compass
generator.
G
K
Maybe
you
answered
my
question
but
I'll
ask
it
anyway:
what
was
the
original
budget
for
this.
AB
The
architect
or
the
other
consultants
on
the
project
team
being
a
construction
project.
There.
AB
I
That
is,
that
is
just
the
construction
budget.
The
I
don't
have
the
actual
overall
budget.
G
I
Further,
every
project
we
do
anticipate
construction
change
orders
on,
as
you
know,.
I
I
We're
well
within
that
budget.
We
believe
we'll
be
giving
money
back
at
the
end
of
this
project.
AC
G
E
I
worked
for
years
doing
home
improvement
work
with
my
dad
and,
and
you
know
we
would
go
to
a
job.
E
And
you
know
home
depot
or
some
place
didn't
have
something
right.
We
wouldn't
just
go
to
the.
E
E
E
Delay
in
construction,
where
is
this
money
being
used?
I
mean
what
is
this?
How
is
this
coming
into.
E
E
So
good
question
it
is,
it
has
delayed
the
construction
period
and
so,
if
you
understand.
I
Thought
the
construction
was
going
to
take
place.
So
that's
what
we
hired
the
architect
to
do.
I
I
I
I
E
I
I
I
M
So
what
technically
we
left
the
word
out,
but
it
would
technically
just
be
possible.
It
should.
M
Be
a
nuisance
establishment
ordinance,
but
one
of
the
challenges
we've
been
having.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
K
Could
you
describe
to
us
if
we
pass
this?
What's
the
potential
process,
I
mean
this
would
include
a.
K
R
R
The
end
of
that
you'll
you'll
you'll
be
asked
whether
you
want
to
adopt
the
ordinance
or
not
so.
C
Any
questions
or
comments.
Well,
I
I
commend
commissioner
gordon
for
taking
this
initiative.
P
P
P
P
P
E
Gordon,
I
commend
you
as
well
for
this,
and
you
know
this
this.
You
know
to
your
point,
commissioner.
E
C
Y
Y
E
E
K
And
everybody
should
have
it
in
front
of
them.
Monday
february
20th
5
pm
is.
K
District
five
night
in
annapolis,
gordon
collar
and
vigliotti,
show,
is
going
and
they've
invited.
K
K
A.M:
board
of
commanding
commissions,
open
item,
one
department,
update
circuit
court
item
two.
K
E
And
again,
knowing
that
we
have
the
the
the
closed
session
for
land
acquisition
and
the.
Y
K
P
Just
we
are
just
keeping
people
waiting.
Sometimes
I
know-
and
that
is
a
great
point-
to
bring
up.
P
E
So
we
could
ask
those
under
items
five,
six,
seven
and
eight
to
postpone
for
a
week.
K
K
Okay,
monday
february
27th
mako
aurora
county
6
30
in
the
evening
westminster
city
hall,
7
p.m.