Carroll County, MD Carroll County Planning and Zoning Commission, 15 Mar 2022

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Good morning, everybody we'll call the meeting to order uh this march 15 2022.

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Welcome it's nice to see people in person. This is really nice and we don't have all this plexiglas.

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Up here we were noticing either so time. Marches on this is wonderful. So with that we'll call to.

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Order and we will establish a qualm, mr walters- I am here miss kirkner here, mr lester, here.

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Mr kane, here mr hoff, here secretary eisenberg here mr chair, please let the record reflect that.

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Five members are present and we do have a forum very good. Let's uh please stand for the pledge.

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Of allegiance pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic.

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For which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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All right next up is uh review and approval of the agenda. Does anyone.

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We have a revised agenda. Yes, we have a revised agenda item nine was removed from this agenda and.

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I'll talk about that in my administrative report, but the one that we have as of this morning is.

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The one you're putting forward for correct I'll move, we accept the agenda as as revised.

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Second, all right, all in favor, aye aye sounds unanimous to me.

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um We have minutes from january, 18 and february 2nd. Anyone have any proposed edits or changes.

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For that now, if you have to entertain a motion for approval, I move that we accept.

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The minutes for january 18th and february 2nd for a second second, all right. Any further discussion.

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They are unanimously approved very good move on item six uh commission member reports. I.

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Will start um and that I approved a few items, I have to pull my email up.

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So there is the buttercup road property subdivision project which is file number m180040.

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Which I proved as the chair and.

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I also approved the following projects: wakefield solar facility s; nineteen, zero, zero, zero, four.

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uh The westminster lawn service s, seventeen, zero, zero, four, three smith, burger property.

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M20046 and the greater baltimore temple s21002, so I just wanted the record to reflect.

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And beyond my opening comments, I don't have anything else to say.

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Commissioner, wants you any comments, you're asking me.

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It was somewhat [ __ ] good morning, and it is also. I will uh also say that it's good to see everybody.

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uh In person and uh yes, the plexiglas is gone. We've taken additional steps here in the office.

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Building still kind of being a little bit mindful about how many folks are in rooms.

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But we feel as if we're to the point where we can actually see one another without looking through.

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Glass, which is which is good uh with that said, though we want to be mindful that covet is still.

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uh Lurking and uh you know- let's- let's not just forget about it, uh if you're we're we're telling.

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Folks, if you, if you don't feel well, uh if you have symptoms, you know, please don't come to work.

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And we're also being very respectful of those that do want to continue to wear masks because.

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That's what we need to do as we move forward so, but we're at a place now, where we feel.

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We can do that, but again we're keeping our eye on things. So we'll continue to do that.

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A couple quick things from me: uh I know that commissioner rostein recently had a town hall.

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Meeting uh two of them, as a matter of fact, and uh much of the discussion, was about two.

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Of the properties in eldersburg that are near and dear to most of your hearts here.

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And turned out, I watched some of it turned out to be a very positive meeting. Communication is a good.

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Thing because when people have questions you can get those answers sometimes that just stops all.

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The all the uh the things that are associated with those that are that are challenged by these so.

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So I think it was good. uh I applaud him for doing that and uh we'll see where that goes. I.

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Think there's a different mindset down there so uh kudos to my colleague, commissioner rostin, for that.

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We are in the middle. I think some of you will remember that we several months back.

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Had a group called siegel do a complete assessment of carroll county government from or organization.

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And compensation and all things associated with carroll county government, so we got their.

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First report, I believe two weeks ago or three now we're diving into that and what could potentially.

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Happen with that is the way in which it could change the way in which we're structured here.

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We're going to look at perhaps you know, marrying some departments together.

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Making some personnel adjustments- if you will, we need more folks here more folks over here.

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So it's a huge it's a huge undertaking and uh we want to try to get that done before.

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This board of commissioners leaves office so or at least set the groundwork for that.

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uh Which will be the you know? We've only got until december, so we're going to be working hard on that.

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uh More to come, and uh I think it was needed and the way in which you know look the.

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Pandemic changed a lot of things, the way in which people work, there's a lot of work from home. Now.

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And so we're looking at all these these aspects so changes, I believe, will be coming at some.

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At some point and we're going to be working closely with staff in a positive way with.

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That being said, we're also getting ready to jump right into the budget. We had our first meeting.

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Last week and that's always a fun time, we have to have a balanced budget here in carroll by may so.

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We'll be working hard on that and you know that's that's always challenging times ahead. For that.

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On top of all that, the general assembly is still meeting and there's a lot of things that are going.

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On down there, we've talked about this before at this group. Most of you will remember that.

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Back in 2007 or eight highway user revenue was pretty much eliminated from the counties and.

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At the time it seemed like a a reasonable decision because they needed the money elsewhere, but to put.

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It in perspective, carol over the last 10 plus years, has lost 150 million dollars of revenue.

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For highway and that's highway user revenue, that's for not only new roads but maintaining.

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The roads that we have so 150 million- that's a number. So I was down last week, testifying.

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On behalf of carol and it's interesting because it's the first time in a long time that I've seen.

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Such a bipartisan issue, I was sitting beside baltimore county's executive. I.

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Had prince george's county executive on the other side, I had mayor scott.

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Just to the left of me so everybody's all in on this, and we feel like now's the time.

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So for you that means a lot as well, because roads are very important when we look at these.

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New developments, what have you it's a huge? It's a huge issue, so fingers crossed that we might get.

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Some of that money back not all of it, but at least get it back to the percentage that it should be.

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And we're saying that, on top of the fact that gas is kind of pricey right now, so it's interesting.

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A little bit ironic, uh but that's what we're attempting to do so uh and finally, for me.

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Most of you know that we're doing the best we can to fill a lot of slots.

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In our in the many organizations and and the folks that help us out here- and this is one of those.

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Commissions that we rely on heavily and I'd like to on behalf of my colleagues, the commissioners.

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Welcome mr michael kane uh to the dance this morning, uh michael comes with an incredible.

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Background and from the finksburg area- and I think we'll do very very well here, and so we.

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Want to thank you for stepping up sir, and welcome you to uh to planning and zoning.

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And hang on speaking of highway user revenue, it gets to be a bumpy ride sometimes, but I think.

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You'll do very well. uh We had another gentleman that we we thought we had.

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A good spot for him, uh but unfortunately it didn't work out so we're gonna back going back to the to.

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The uh to the drawing board- and we hope to have another name or two or another- face or two here.

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As quickly as we can so thank you all for serving and you all can't go anywhere. Okay, so.

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Spring has sprung, so I think we're all in you know in a place where.

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We feel a little bit refreshed here, so thank you all and that's it. Thank you, commissioner. Thank you.

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Very good and, uh on behalf of the commission, I'm going to extend my welcome to you as well.

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Michael, thank you. I was talking to you a little bit before we started, but we're so happy to have.

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You here we thank the commissioners for making this a priority, and you know getting us staffed.

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Up so welcome aboard happy to be here excited to dive in very good, well, we'll dive in right now.

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Okay, anything else, janice, repeat yeah good. Let's do this all right, very good, then we'll move on to.

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Item seven, which is the administrative report and mountain secretary I'll turn it over to you all.

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Right well, good morning, everyone and again michael welcome. We had the pleasure of meeting last week.

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I onboard new planning, commission members, so mike came in for about an hour plus meeting and.

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Got him as up to speed as we could on what you all are reviewing today, david b craft, from review.

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Also came down and went over plans review process with mr kane, so hopefully you know in a few more.

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Meetings you'll be well versed in all of this, and we appreciate you being here so welcome.

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Thank you also just a point to make you all aware of again so this meeting, hybrid virtual.

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The next meeting, unless I hear otherwise my understanding is, will be completely.

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In person on that april, no, no! No! No, not that one yeah I'm going to get to that.

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April 9th april 19th, the april 19th business meeting will be as usual.

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um So that'll be open fully to the public, not just applicants and the representation. But we.

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Will have open also for public comment today we are still doing the hybrid where public comment.

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Will be virtual call in but the developer and their representative are here today for the.

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Development review projects in person um our next meeting after this one is march 30th. That is our.

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Evening meeting, which is our fifth wednesday, which we don't have very often, but it's the.

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Fifth, wednesday of the month that meeting at six pm will be in person, um and the reason for that is.

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We had uh an agenda item that was number nine for today, which was known as um I'm sorry incorrect. My.

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Bad, we had an agenda item for the beatty property scheduled for today we decided to move that.

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To its own meeting on march, 30th development review will be giving you a special report.

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We thought it was important to showcase that property by itself at an evening meeting and.

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One of our first evening meetings open um to the public. We do still have a room capacity.

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So if it gets to be too much we'll have to have people wait or we'll figure out a system.

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um For that, so I just wanted to make you aware that next, the next wednesday meeting the 30th.

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Is 100 in person, however april 6? What we've all agreed to is unless there's a reason- and this is a.

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Particular reason our wednesday evening meetings will be virtual from here on out um starting.

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At 6 pm virtually just we have that option, it works really. Well, we don't need to keep pulling.

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People in here unnecessarily so for for those wednesday evening meetings, they will be virtual.

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The remaining tuesdays will always be in version just as normal, going back to normal.

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Operations and again we'll make you aware, if there's any changes to any wednesday evening,.

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If it's a big project or there's something we really need to dive into, that means it needs to.

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Be in person we'll do that we'll let you know, just as we did for this one well in advance,.

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And I think that's all I have for you this morning. I know um alarmatius has extensions so lara.

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Hi good morning, good morning, it's very exciting. I found my way back to the room, no problem.

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Good to hear laura, we are here uh laura matthias bureau of development review. We have.

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Had two extensions: since our last meeting, the first one is called abbott acres.

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The final number on this is p02029, it is a plan of subdivision. There will be seven new lots and this.

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Is the twelfth extension and it was a one-year extension and it is in commissioner district, two.

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Okay and the second one we had was a site development plan, the crossroads vehicle.

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Repair shop also in commissioner district two- and this is the third extension request.

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For this project, okay, thank you thank you laura, but that crosswords has been.

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On our writer for a while yep gotcha um next I'll have abigail update you on bca cases,.

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Good morning good morning, uh so there are three cases that were heard on february 24th case.

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6376 was william and michelle jansen. It was for conditional use as a commercial kennel at 1209.

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Liberty, road eldersburg in the commercial, medium zone district 5.. The board found these consistent.

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K-6377 terry williams was for conditional use as a deer processing shop and a contractor's.

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Equipment, storage along with variances the property, was in the agricultural zone at 2800.

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Nicodemus road westminster in district 9., the board, found the use and variance is consistent.

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K-6309 jeremy watt was for conditional use for manufacturing and storing mulch.

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At 2608, dr steigle road, new windsor in the agricultural zone and that's in.

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Districts, 11 and 9. the board found the use consistent. There are no bza cases pending.

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Review by the department, the next bza hearing is scheduled for march 29th, very good. Thank you.

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And that's all I have for my administrative report this morning. Thank you all right, very.

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Good. Thank you. We move on to item 8, which is consolidated transportation. Priority letter.

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So while mary pulls up her presentation, we wanted to present to you what went before.

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The board of county commissioners for the consolidated transportation plans, annual.

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Priority letter that we developed that we send to maryland department of transportation.

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um We do it in april as the typical cycle for submittal. We work with our delegation.

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For them to sign the letter and endorse it in addition to the board of county commissioners,.

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And forward to them we actually had a nice front page right on the paper a couple weeks ago or last.

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Week, I believe I'm on the letter itself, but these are the priorities that the county has sent out.

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Four state road projects that are within carroll county for capacity enhancement and improvements.

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To those roads prior to even meeting with the commissioners, we start this process in the fall.

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And we do go to each of our municipalities asking them what their priorities are for the state roads.

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That may go through their communities as well as any other types of state-funded projects.

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um Within their community so with that, I'm going to have mary present to you.

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The projects for this year good morning good morning um as linda said, and this.

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Is the presentation that we gave to the county commissioners twice so apologies.

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To commissioner lance who's seen this, we do this twice already, it's important enough.

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And one reason we're bringing it to you. This is informational. Only this.

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Is approved by the commissioners and then we'll get to that. It's um signed.

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Off by the delegates and then sent to the secretary of transportation,.

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But one reason we're showing you is because this is basically master plan. Implementation.

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The things that you've approved in plans- this is one of the implementation mechanisms, so.

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um Basically, what we're going to go over is the purpose of the letter.

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Our review process, um the actual approved letter which was sent out to you, I believe.

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The next steps and any questions and answers.

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So, as linda said, each year, the board of county commissioners approves a letter to the secretary.

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Of mdot that includes the list of top state transportation priorities for inclusion in the ctp.

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This includes state highways and roads, and these are basically capacity enhancing projects.

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Streetscape improvements, county trails and transit.

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um I think linda just went over this. Basically, we meet with the town staff we meet with other.

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Agencies within the county, the board of county commissioners, met twice to talk about this in.

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February and march, and it must be submitted to the state in april, there is a county tour.

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By the secretary of transportation in the fall where the draft ctp is distributed, and.

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Then the legislature approves it from the prior year, so this is quite a long process.

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So this year- and it's not changed a lot since last year, but there's several changes.

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um There are five uh capacity enhancing highway projects. The first is maryland 97 from bachmann's.

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Valley, road to maryland, 140 in westminster and the first three projects have been in the priority.

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Letter for years and years, pretty much in this order with a little bit of shifting maryland.

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32 from maryland, 26 south to the carroll county line, maryland 26 from maryland, 32 to the reservoir.

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Maryland 140 corridor improvements from the county line to case mill. This was just added last year.

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And number five was added just this year at the request of mount airy, but also with.

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The agreement by the county commissioners that it was an important priority is.

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Maryland 27 corridor improvements from carroll county line to lake shear road.

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So the biggest change there- I guess- is number one- is now maryland. 97.

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We sort of flip-flopped 32 in 97, and it was felt that you know 32 needs to certainly need some.

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Some some assistance down there, uh but if you've been out past the airport.

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Lately they did add another lane, uh but while that helped it's sort of a band-aid.

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If you will, royal farms is now open and apparently people like chicken so.

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There's a ton of traffic there at that first light that goes into the to that. um What's that called.

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The industrial park yeah the industrial park, but I can't remember what it's called, but anyway,.

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That light now has become quite a challenge.

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And apparently there's a dunkin donuts coming out there as well. So it's really starting to.

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Get congested out there and we feel like adding those lanes we're adding this as a priority. Now.

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Will be helpful because it's going to take time to get the easements and what have you to get from.

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Where we are at pleasant valley, road to bachmann's valley road, that's going to be tough to do so.

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Trying to get ahead of that is what we were trying to do there. So just a brief explanation: why we.

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Flip-Flop those two right right, and so now it is the number one priority. As commissioner wentz said,.

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um For those reasons, another very important reason- and you can see here that the what the scope of.

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The project is on the screen, but the first request. I apologize there's two a's, but um the request for.

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A breakout project for a feasibility study in the state of maryland because of um it's called.

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The chapter 30 scoring requirement a project cannot be in the ctp unless it has been scored.

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It can't be scored unless there's a feasibility study for it. So this is the only project of the.

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Top three that doesn't have that kind of study. Yet so this highlighting it as the number one.

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Priority brings that to the attention of the secretary that this feasibility study is needed.

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Now so that it can, the project can actually start moving. So that's really one of the main.

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Reasons and also it's crucial that necessary, right-of-way begin to be reserved because.

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As these projects are coming online, you don't want the right-of-way to be used for development.

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So also, even though it was a number one and is now known, I'm sorry, that's the map of the.

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Boundaries of this project, so the number two priority now is maryland 32.

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It remains a very high priority for project planning. Ultimately, it's to widen the.

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Roadway from two to four lanes, including pedestrian facilities and other amenities,.

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um There was a study done in 2018 that showed that, even with the changes made in the freedom plan.

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That were proposed at that time in the freedom plan there wasn't that need for it to be the.

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For the total upgrade, I believe, linda was that in a 20-year time frame that that pill, study.

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Yes, yes, so basically, what is more necessary? Are these breakout projects.

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So the first breakout project is being requested for engineering design of piney ridge, parkway.

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Macbeth way to north of springfield avenue and then a second breakout project for design funding.

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For second street to main street, and both of these were highlighted in the pell study that was done.

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In 2018., do we know what's going to happen in howard county with respect to 32? Are they doing.

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Something similar in terms of widening it. They have if they completed that they've done from.

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108 to 70. north of 70 is not a priority for them at this time. No, um the project below that they put.

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About a 40 million 40 million dollars of their own funding toward it to get it dualized from that 108.

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To the 70 interchange yeah, I know and that's not I mean it's not quite finished, but it's nice and.

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It just seems like then, as you cross over 70 and you get into north of 70. All of a sudden. You know.

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You're back to yeah right now, that is not part of their their priority to dualize that at this time,.

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Here you can see the boundaries of this project.

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Okay, the third priority, as it has been for years, is maryland 26 from 32 to the reservoir in prior.

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Years this project scope was to widen from four to six lanes in july of 2020 sha completed with.

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The collaboration of county staff, um the maryland 26th quarter, study that basically changed this.

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Plan for just a widening to find ways to revise the design to a new, more practical design.

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Approach so that, rather than complete widening to six lanes, improvements will consist of more.

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Limited breakout projects that focus primarily on enhancing the safety of the corridor.

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The first breakout project being requested is to convert eastbound maryland 26 right turn. Only lane.

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At georgetown boulevard- and this was highlighted in that quarter- study as the number one need.

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Again, we chose the project.

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This was added, I believe, last year, maryland 140 corridor improvements from the county line.

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To case mill, improvements include a four lane divided highway, a full interchange in maryland.

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91 with additional auxiliary lane, east of 91 and access management, improvements which.

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In that area are very important, there was an initial breakout project requested last year.

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um For a jug handle um for, I believe at that time it was the concept.

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I'm sorry at that time it was the concept study for the jug handle project.

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Now it has been funded for full design. So that's some progress. That's been made there.

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It's a pretty small target. Yes, I do, can you air it down? I tried arrowing.

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I them again there's a map, that's difficult to read, but that is the scope of this project.

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Okay, the project that was added this year at the request of mount airy.

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Was quarter improvements on maryland, 97 from carroll county line to lake shear road.

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Again, this was requested by the town. It's approximately two miles in length and.

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Includes eight intersections within mount airy and immediately outside the municipal limits.

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Their request cited the town's 2016 route, 27 quarter, study recommendations for a number of.

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Improvements, including widening of the roadway dedicated turn lanes, signalized traffic control.

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Boulevard separation of lanes and controlled intersections to allow for pedestrian crossings.

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We have not identified any breakout projects. That would be something that would come.

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Once this would be in the ctp, and also I mean this is necessary because of some proposed developments.

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That are going on in the area, so the breakout projects would depend on what happened with us.

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You just had it just it's.

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Okay, there are two urban reconstruction streetscape projects that have been in for.

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A number of years and for a number of years, they've been kind of stalled out waiting for.

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Other things to happen so there's progress on both of these. The first is maryland 851.

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Sykesville main street and the other one is maryland: 31 new, windsor main street.

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Okay, the first one maryland 851. The concept has been completed years ago for this project, but it's.

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Not currently funded for design, the first step, which is water and sewer project, is slated to.

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Start early summer of 2022, in conjunction with the stormwater project being completed by sha.

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And these two steps were necessary and really were holding the project up for a number of years.

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And at the request of the town, the commissioners have added improvements to the existing bridge.

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Over the south branch of patapsco river to allow a safe pedestrian connection to south branch park,.

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And again that was at the request of the town that that be included.

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The second urban reconstruction project is new windsor main street.

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This will include improvements to sidewalks enhancement, to viking, pedestrian accessibility.

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As well as road improvements, there's also been some progress by the town.

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And working through some of the waterline issues, so we expect this to begin moving forward soon,.

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Regarding transit, we include this in the letter, even though this isn't really the main purpose.

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Of this, but we do always include it and it's identical to the annual transportation plan.

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That's approved separately by the commissioners, so this year carol is requesting operating funding.

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For replacement buses and preventative maintenance funding and outside of the atp carroll county is.

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Also in the early planning stages of preparing for alternate fueled vehicles, along with the.

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Supporting infrastructure, including the use of solar panels for power, as well as bus coverage,.

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And the last are the trail projects. These two again have been in the priority letter.

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For years, the first one, the governor, frank brown trail, unfortunately has not made any progress. It.

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Was being held up for a number of years because of security concerns with the readiness center.

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There- and there has been at least last checking- there has been no progress made on that and the.

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Westminster community trail, it's a multi-phase project, that's been underway since 2010.

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So additional concerns, even though these aren't really requested to be placed in the ctp that the commissioners want to bring to the secretary's attention.

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Are a major project which is maryland 140 to widen the roadway from six to eight lanes with.

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The full interchange at 97 and continuous flow intersections at center street and angler road.

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Also the safety concerns. This has been ongoing requests for a couple years of the study at.

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Maryland 31 at medford road, a study of maryland 26 in johnsville road for study.

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For safety purposes, and this new one this year requested by public works, is a maryland 140.

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At turn around for the northern landfill and that's a safety concern also um also new. This.

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Year, the baltimore metropolitan council congestion management committee has gotten together and.

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All the jurisdictions to my knowledge last time I checked, were including language in.

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Their priority letters stressing the coordinated efforts of all the supporting all the different.

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Multi-Jurisdictional projects that are to the benefit of the region, so that you'll see.

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In the letter that you've got there's a couple paragraphs on that and that that language.

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Is being inserted in all the different priority letters that belong to the bmc members.

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So the next steps is to get signatures of the delegation in support. um We've been doing this.

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For a number of years, even though the letter comes from the commissioners, we attach a letter.

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um Asking for the delegates to support it, and then we transmit it to the secretary by april 1st.

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Any questions a lot of information well done. Yes,.

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Thank you all right. Thank you. Thanks mary, I'm gonna, let david get me in.

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All right, uh we'll move on to item nine uh concept. Preliminary subdivision plan.

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um P dash twenty one: zero, zero, zero, three lake hills, section three.

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And as this as you all are coming up, I wanna disclose um the developer is.

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S pernell clap and mr klapp's been a member, a friend of our family for many years. I'm not.

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In any business with him or anything like that, so but I don't think that would affect my ability to.

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Hear this I don't typically vote as a chair anyway, but if any member has any.

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Concerns, I would like me to accuse myself or abstain. I'd be happy to do those things.

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I'm good very good. Thank you.

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Good morning, everyone good morning, nice to see you as everybody's already stated, uh david b craft.

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Bureau of development review, as already mentioned, the first project, we're going to be talking about.

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Is a subdivision plan? This will be section 3 of the lake hills, subdivision file, number p-21-0003.

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With me is the engineer and I'll: let him introduce himself.

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John liberman, with rtf associates 142 east main street maryland thanks good morning good morning.

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Okay- and so this is before you as a combination, concept and preliminary plan,.

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This subdivision is proposing one additional lot and, as mentioned, this is a essentially a.

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Dual review: a combined review of this project, and so just to clarify for everybody for subdivision.

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Plans, as everyone may know, there's a concept, a preliminary and a final plan review. So we.

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Just merge the first two portions of that. um So with that the plan is before the planning.

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And zoning commission per chapter 155 for consideration of a concept subdivision plan.

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And preliminary approval, there are two actions that are going to be required. One is approval of.

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The preliminary plan of subdivision pursuant to chapter 155 and two is approval of the.

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Preliminary plan of subdivision pursuant to chapter 156, which is concurrency management,.

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Okay, so with that, um for those who are unaware, this project is located on ridge, road down in.

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Eldersburg, actually, the address for it is 7200 ridge, road in marriottsville maryland, and this.

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Is within election district number five, and so here, if you look on here um here- is ridge road.

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This is the state outlined here and then here is 26 up here.

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So a little bit of history, as this is section three, so the original property was comprised.

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Of just over 80 acres and it extended to both sides of ridge road, so it was.

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A portion on the south side and a portion on the north side, off-conveyance lots were approved and.

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Recorded from the original property back in 1977 in 1979 section one of lake hills was recorded and.

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It created three lots of subdivision two on the south side and then one on the north side up here.

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In 1981, the plot of section two of lake hills was recorded and it created an additional 10.

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Lots of subdivision all on the north side of ridge, road, and so I'm going to back up here.

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So all of these lots- you see up here.

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Those are section two of the lake hill subdivision and, as you can see, it is with lake coast court.

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And so after that section two subdivision, there was a remaining 25, roughly 25 and a half acre.

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Property that currently lies on the south side, and so that is what's looking to.

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Be re-subdivided and is outlined here on that property. It hosts a private residence.

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And has various outbuildings access to the property is via a private drive? That is.

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Direct access to ridge road, as you can kind of see here and the property is outside of the.

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Priority funding area but is located within the freedom designated growth area.

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And so the surrounding properties to the north, the south and the east are all zone conservation and.

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They are improved with single family residences adjoining properties to the west. Over here.

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Are zoned cons or I'm sorry? Our zone are 40 000 and are improved with private residences.

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Or you can see, there's one or two properties that are completely unimproved: the subject: property and.

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All surrounding properties are currently served by private, well and septic systems.

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So the developer is now proposing again to subdivide the remaining roughly 25 and a.

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Half acre property to create section three of the lake coast subdivision.

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This proposed subdivision is for the creation of one lot, which will be lot number 14.. The proposed.

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Lot, 14 will be just over three and three quarter acres and it will have direct access to ridge, road.

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Via a new private drive, the proposed lot meets the standard minimum size.

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Of three acres: lot: width of 300 feet and setback requirements of 50 feet from all property lines. As.

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Applicable to the conservation zoning district outline in carroll county code after this lot.

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Has been recorded, the parent property will consist of just shy of 20 and one half acres.

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So the concept subdivision plan was initially submitted june, 1st of 2021. The plan was subject.

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To citizen involvement during a regularly held meeting of the technical review committee.

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On july, 26 2021 no citizens signed in at the meeting and since that meeting.

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There have been no phone calls or no written correspondence in reference to this project.

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And so before we go too far just uh so, you have idea on how the property looks.

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So the top two pictures are looking on north and south of ridge, road.

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And then the bottom two pictures are looking at where a general idea as to where the property is.

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Going to be, unfortunately, I am not a surveyor, so I couldn't designate exactly where it was.

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But it's definitely going to be within this wooded portion here.

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Okay, so um the plan is exempt from landscaping and flood plain requirements: water resource management.

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Soil conservation, zoning and grading and sediment control have granted approval of the plan forest.

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Conservation is approved and there is going to be a forest conservation easement on the new site.

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So you can see by this this hashed area here that kind of surrounds where the house will be located.

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Engineering review and state highway administration have reviewed and approved the plan.

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And the carroll county health department and the bureau of utilities have approved the plan.

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With on-site well and septic systems, storm water management has granted final approval of the plan.

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Achievement of stormwater management is via a wide grass shoulder for the driveway, which you can see.

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Shown as a green on here, dry wells for the proposed house and a grass swale for the proposed.

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Driveway turnaround as you can see by this little green sliver here, the department of planning.

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Determined that the proposed plan is consistent with the 2018 freedom community, comprehensive plan.

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Land use designation of resource conservation so, as this is a combined concept and preliminary plan.

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With regards to preliminary subdivision plans, uh the code states that I'm just going to read it.

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Verbatim final plans need not be brought before the planning commission for review of compliance.

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With the approved preliminary plan and all other applicable regulations at its regular meeting.

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Unless, specifically requested by the planning commission, if final plan review is not requested,.

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By the planning commission, in accordance with this chapter, the chairperson or the secretary of the.

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Planning commission shall be empowered to approve and sign the final plan upon confirmation from the.

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Bureau that the plan meets all requirements of this chapter and all conditions for approval of.

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Such plat have been met or shall disapprove the final subdivision plan or may approve.

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It with conditions with respect to the timing of recreation of building permits, so essentially what.

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All that boils down to is that if the planning commission chooses to approve this plan and does.

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Not wish to see it again, it will automatically go to mr waters for final approval of the plan. If, for.

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Whatever reason the commission wishes to see this again, you would just have to essentially say so.

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Okay, so with that, uh pursuant to chapter 155 staff recommends approval of the preliminary.

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Plan, subject to the following conditions that the owner and developer enters into a public works.

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Agreement with carroll county that guarantees completion of all of any required improvements.

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That the parcel shown on the plans is parcel a which will be for road widening purposes with the.

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Acreage of roughly 1.27 acres shall be deeded to carroll county at a stormwater management.

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Easement and maintenance agreement be granted to the county commissioners of carroll county.

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That a forced conservation easement shall be granted to the county commissioners of.

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Carroll county and finally, that any changes to the preliminary plan as submitted and approved.

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By the commission, herein shall be resubmitted to the commission for further review and approval.

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So that is the first half of the report before I move on to the concurrency aspect of it.

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Are there any questions in reference to anything? That's been talked about already.

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One question: okay: we will truck on then so um the next section so pursuant to chapter 156.

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Of the code of public local laws and ordinances, once the department has determined that the.

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Residential development plan may be presented to the commission. The plan is reviewed for available.

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Threshold capacity so essentially making sure that all public facilities in the area are able.

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To withstand this additional lot of subdivision so with that, we test various again facilities and I'm.

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Going to go through each of those one by one, so the first one of those will be for police services.

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So the ratio shall be calculated by counting all sworn officers with law enforcement, responsibility.

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In an incorporated municipality or within the county, and by counting the total population.

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Within the incorporated municipalities and within the unincorporated county.

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So the estimated carroll county population, as of january 2022, was roughly 175 000 people. There.

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Are currently 243 sworn law officers with 11 sworn personnel currently in training.

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And an additional 18 positions that are funded based on a total of 270 funded positions, so that.

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Is the officers that are currently on duty, those that are being trained and those funded positions.

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The ratio of law enforcement positions to carroll county population as of the end of.

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January 2022 was 1.55 based on a total of 254 positions, and now that's only those that are.

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Active duty and those that are currently in training not including the funded positions.

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The ratio of sworn law, law enforcement positions to carroll county.

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As of the end of january, 2022 was 1.45, including the development projects and.

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The pipeline, along with the funded positions, the ratio will be over 1.3, so services are adequate.

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If the projected ratio of sworn law enforcement officers to population.

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Is point three to one thousand people so with this subdivision, police services are deemed adequate.

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Moving on to schools, the proposed subdivision is located in the carrolltown elementary.

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Oklahoma, road, middle and liberty, high attendance areas, in accordance with the criteria established.

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In chapter 156, concurrency management, all schools are rated adequate for fiscal years, 2021 to 2026.

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With the exception of carrolltown, elementary and oklahoma road middle, which both of those.

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Are deemed approaching inadequate and so kind of to give the numbers one those.

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The december 2020 enrollment projections prepared by carroll county public schools, indicate that.

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Carrolltown elementary had an actual enrollment of 101.4 percent of state-rated capacity.

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The projections indicate that enrollment will be at 114.6 percent in fiscal year 2026 at.

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The end of the six-year cip cycle, currently in this attendance area, there are two additional.

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Residential developments, but it should be noted that both of those are age, restricted communities.

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So, although those two residential developments, age, restricted communities are not tested for.

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School capacity because generally people over 55 don't go to school. There is approximately.

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One development of one residential unit and carrolltown attendance area that has been recorded.

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Since the adoption of concurrency management that has not been issued, a building permit.

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So an elementary school serving a proposed project is approaching inadequate for the purpose of.

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Chapter 156 when current or projected enrollment is 110 to 119, as mentioned for carrolltown.

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And fiscal year, 2026 at the end of the cip, our six-year cip. It's projected at 114.6.

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So that's why it's approaching inadequate moving on to oklahoma road, middle and december.

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That december 2020 enrollment projections state that the enrollment will be at or it was at 91.8.

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Of the functional capacity, uh the projections indicate that enrollment will be at 113.2.

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And fiscal year 2026. within this attendance area, there are 11 additional residential developments.

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Comprised of 159 lots, one of those, as you may be aware, is the hobie wolf subdivision. So that's.

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Where a lot of those lots come from and those are all currently in the review process, uh aside from.

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Those 11 there's also three additional residential developments of being the age restricted. So I.

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Wanted to separate those out because, as I said, those are not tested for school capabilities.

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There's approximately five developments of five residential units within the oklahoma.

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Road attendance area that have been reported and have not been issued a building permit so for.

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Middle schools serving a proposed project. It's approaching inadequate for the purpose of this.

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Chapter 156, when current or projected enrollment is 110 to 119 percent of the functional capacity.

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So, as mentioned in 2026, it's projected that oklahoma road middle will be at 113.2.

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And finally, for liberty, high the same time frame, it had an actual enrollment of 87.6.

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Percent of state-rated capacity, the projections indicate that the enrollment will be 92.7.

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Within the 2026 fiscal year it has the same developments as the oklahoma road middle, so 11.

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Additional residential developments comprising of 159 lots, and then you have those three additional.

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Residential age, restricted communities same five developments of five residential units within.

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The liberty attendance area that have not been issued a building permit and so for a high school.

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It is deemed adequate if the state rated capacity is less than 109, which liberty is well below that.

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Even the projection is 92.7, so to kind of sum up. All of that again, um none of the schools.

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Are inadequate, carrolltown and oklahoma road are approaching inadequate liberty, road or limited.

D

High is adequate okay, so we'll move on. Excuse me: tough fire and emergency medical services.

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The proposed subdivision is located in the sykesville fire and ems district. The most recent.

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Data from the office of public safety reports that for the two-year period of july 2019 to june 2021.

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Late and no response, statistical data indicates that of the first due total calls.

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uh For fire and the sykesville district 1.34 were categorized as new responses and 5.36 percent.

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As late and no responses of the first due ems cost, 0.39 percent were categorized as no responses.

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And 0.43 as late and their responses, so in reference to the percentages.

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Of late and no responses, sykesville is rated adequate for both fire and ems services.

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With regard to the call average time for fire for the same two year period, sykesville had an average.

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Response time of 6 minutes and 31 seconds, which is adequate with regard to ems average response.

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Time sykesville had an average response time of 6 minutes and 28 seconds, which is adequate and.

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For both of those, the services are deemed adequate uh when utilizing an average over the previous.

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24 months response time is less than eight minutes which both of those are well under that.

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And the primary route from the firehouse to the proposed development does not include travel over.

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Bridges that cannot adequately support fire and ems apparatuses, so that is also deemed adequate.

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And finally, the last public facility that's looked at is for roads for.

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County ruins this project is only impacting ridge, road and ridge. Road is rated adequate.

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So moving on to the recommendations, um just to kind of sum it up again, as this is a one lot.

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Subdivision with no county road improvements, the concept plan and preliminary plan were.

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Simultaneously, processed and reviewed with regard to a preliminary plan in reference to chapter 156.

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If a public facility or service is inadequate and a relief facility is planned in the six-year.

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Cip to address the inadequacy or mitigation is accepted by the county pursuant to code.

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Or a public facility or service is approaching inadequate during the current cip. The planning.

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Commission may conditionally approve the plan to proceed to the final plan stage.

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And issue a tentative recordation schedule and tentative building permit reservation.

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Subject to modification at the final plan stage, so the first half of that does not apply because.

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Nothing was deemed inadequate. The second half of that with the two schools approaching inadequate.

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The planning commission is able to provide conditional approval.

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For a preliminary plan, so currently police, road and fire and emergency and medical services are.

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Considered adequate again, two of the three schools are considered approaching: inadequate.

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So, as I just mentioned, the planning commission can conditionally improve the plan.

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To proceed to the final stage, where, again, all those services will be retested at that time,.

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With that, pursuant to chapter 156, the staff recommends that the planning commission.

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Conditionally approve the preliminary plan with the following four conditions:.

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Police, roads, fire and ems are considered. Adequate schools are considered approaching inadequate.

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The building permanent reservation is for one lot in fiscal year, 22 subject to modification at the.

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Final plaque stage, the recommendation schedule requires that the plant be recorded within 24.

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Months of the preliminary approval and finally, the building permit reservation is allowed to roll.

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Over year after year, until the sunset provision takes effect and the preliminary plan becomes void,.

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A lot of information, so if, if you guys have any questions and need.

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Any clarification, certainly um myself or mr limmerman would be happy to help.

D

Thank you very much, david, very thorough john. Did you have anything you wanted to add.

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I just wanted to say that mr clapp couldn't be here today, so he asked me to present the project.

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To you, oh, and um if you have any other questions as far as one lot, let me know all right. That's.

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The question about this: uh actually, I may have a couple of hang in there david we're using 20 20.

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Enrollment numbers for the schools is that, where those are the latest numbers that we have three.

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Pandemic numbers, so we pull the numbers directly from the carroll county. Public schools website.

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So whatever they have on the website is what we're able to use okay.

N

um Yeah- and I don't think it should hold up this just to be clear, but so far as zabel's.

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400 yards from this- and you know this- has a compounding effect as we improve things like this.

N

I really think somehow we need to get information and I happen to think the board of education.

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Does a really good job of forecasting student enrollment.

N

I I have had concerns around this and every time I'm thinking you know the sky's falling.

N

Their numbers are wrong, they're dead. On I mean I, you know they know what they're doing in terms.

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Of foreign casting because I've been proven wrong so many times when I'm thinking you know.

N

Things are going to be otherwise, so um I really think we need revised numbers and.

N

We're in a challenging environment, because so many people homeschooled may not have come back.

N

But I think we just need to know what's on the ground, how many, how many kids, how many, how many.

N

Students are in the seats at these schools and and again that's that's, not um that's, not an.

N

Admonishment, I just can't kind of think we need to know yeah. No, I'm sorry, I'm gonna say of course,.

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um So, as mentioned, um this will get retested. You know when it moves on to the final. Once all the.

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Agencies have approved it, it'll get retested again, and one of those again will be school.

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And I know so, I can't speak for the school, but I know that they've acknowledged.

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That carrolltown freedom, elementary and oklahoma road are all challenged challenging. Yes, thank you.

O

So um I'm not sure what mitigation, if any, is in the pipeline, um so I just know that they are.

O

Aware of those issues and the redistricting task force, whatever you want to call it, it is that I.

N

Know that's up and running. So I'm sorry if I can just add on to that so yeah. So the southern area.

C

Redistricting committee, it was freedom. Now it's the south area, they're. Looking at all the schools.

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From mechanicsville below all the elementary middle and high.

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And they will have their recommendations to the board of ed this summer for public hearings.

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In the fall and a decision will be made by the board of education as far as redistricting goes.

C

For that also in april or maylor correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sorry may um a representative from the.

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Schools will come bill kane, who does all of those forecastings all the projections he's excellent.

C

He will give you a report on the educational facilities master plans which will address.

C

Everything that you're perfect yeah, okay and again, I don't think it should hold up to one, but insofar.

N

As we've got, you know something coming on the uh later this month, we've got a number of significant.

N

Developments in that area, I think we just need as much information as we can have the second.

N

Question I have is, insofar as this person also developed land closer to ridge, you know previously.

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Do we have the right of way we need from this all the way up to to ridgewood road, because this.

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This is one of my favorite roads. It's a it's a sleepy little road. It's got beautiful topography.

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In the fall, the trees are over the road further down as you get towards marriage once anyway,.

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It's one of my favorite roads and um but it's a country, road yeah and but as we're looking.

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To give relief to ridge and marriageville and how people commute, because again we're saying.

N

This road's adequate, the people in the community will tell you otherwise, particularly you know,.

N

Now that things are ramping back up, so I'm just wondering if we have what we need from a.

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Right-Of-Way from this property, all the way back towards the intersection of marriageville road.

N

And bridge, and if there's a way, if this person has leverage or not with what he developed previously.

N

Do we need anything that we're not that we don't already have so? The good news is um so.

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Kind of speak to that, I'm not sure in reference to all the way back to the intersection.

O

So when a subdivision comes in, we look at 30 feet from center line for that property with.

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This project, being within the conservation zoning district, we're looking for no matter what the size.

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Of the lot is or how much road furniture it has, we want 30 feet for that entire parent parcel.

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As provided by mr limberman through the review process, the the road widening for the previous.

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Sections has already occurred or I've it's already been provided to the county and that sliver that.

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You see is the remaining bit for this property. So in reference to the parent parcel, which I said.

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Was roughly 80 or so acres with, however much road frontage, we've gotten all of our right-of-way for.

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That and if there's any prop or parcels between this property and that intersection, I can't say.

N

That that's so that's a different thing. Okay, that's those are the questions I had. Thank you.

N

Very good jess any questions nope just just for my education. First meeting absorbing all this stuff.

P

Where what's the water supply for fire prevention- or you know fire response in the area.

O

So that's actually a very good question.

O

One that I am actually not familiar with, and I'm not sure, commissioner, if you're.

O

More familiar with having done this with the driver, you know what the truck can carry.

G

Do you remember, I don't know, I don't think, there's a fire hydrant, that's where.

G

I was going, I don't think there is, I don't think so, michael, I believe, would be by tankers.

G

So there's uh winfield has a 3 000 gallon tanker.

G

I think west friendship has one as well. So that's that's the initial answer. uh It would.

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Be brought in in in that way, and that really goes down a little bit down the road too right.

G

And then, typically, if there is a fire of that magnitude, they'll hit the nearest hybrid.

G

And utilize that, but I'm not sure where that is down there. I know I think I think, there's hydrants.

G

On marriottsville, but I'm not sure we're required to have a note on our plan. As far as the nearest.

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Potable, I mean the nearest water supply for fire and uh we were approximately one mile.

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Away from the nearest fire hydrant is that what it is? That's probably mary's field, I think so.

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Predict just particularly this project, yeah, okay, that's a hose all right, a one mile, long hoses.

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And I'll also mention so with current building code, any new building such as this is going to.

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Require a sprinkler system, so, although it may not put all the fire out, it'll certainly help.

P

Keep it at a manageable pace until you know, fire and ems can make it on stage.

P

All right, thank you. Any other questions.

G

I do have one and yeah this kind of maybe has gone over my head the last few years. This last.

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Bullet point: the building permit reservation is allowed to roll over year after year.

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Until the sunset provision takes effect and the preliminary plan becomes void,.

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Layman term, that, for me please layman terms so number three.

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There's a sunset provision in our code that says you have 24 months after preliminary plan approval.

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To get final approval or record the plan, if there's any issue with that time frame.

O

Then you get miss matthias up here talking about extensions, so if they can't meet that 24 months.

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They'll submit a one-year extension. This is why we can't do that and then they have.

O

More time to get that final plan recorded okay, I I appreciate the refresher I just.

G

In my mind, I'm thinking okay, what's going on and it kind of leads to the questioning that.

G

Where uh peak was going down because things can change pretty rapidly in a short period of time,.

O

Right, okay and that's like um why, for the schools we like to talk about.

O

How many residential lots have not have building permits yet? Because, although they can build.

O

Sometimes those numbers aren't accounted for during those if they haven't built, yet so just.

O

Being mindful of you know, I think some of them had five building permits, so just understanding that.

O

We understand the concern there, so that's why we try to put as much as we can into the report.

O

Okay, thank you. Did you have a question johnson? No, I do well. We had what miss matthias came forward.

A

Today, with what the 12th extension for one of these today, I mean 24 years worth of extensions.

G

Too, because you know it gets to the point where you're like okay enough's enough right, you're.

G

Going to vote or not you're, either going to do it or you're, not right, because we're evaluating.

J

That this is in the queue, but is it really right right, yeah and of course the final test happens at.

D

Final right so we're using right, real numbers at that point in time and I'll mention that so.

O

The extensions are approved by the director chris hunt and I know when.

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He looks at those he looks to see what has changed and what may be going to change so.

O

I I'm very sure that he's taking all those things into account when he's looking.

O

To extend it for the 12th time right right and is there a limit.

A

On the number of extensions, I don't believe so add in tonight.

I

Until the regulations change, then they won't be re-upped right right, right.

D

Yeah good point all right, uh very good. If nothing else I'd be happy to entertain.

C

Oh, we do have calls yes, okay, public comment. Yeah. Thank you. Brenda.

B

Matt we did have someone sign up with sarah penn.

B

Matt, do you see a caller on the line.

C

Are there any other callers for this particular item.

C

Which is concept, preliminary subdivision plan for lake hill, section 3.

C

No that'll be um two more items.

C

That's the last item on the agenda. Are you holding for that.

D

Yeah, okay, all right, I guess miss penn is not going to be participating.

C

In public comment for this item matt, thank you.

A

All right, very good, thank you for the reminder.

A

So um then, I'd be happy to entertain a motion if you're so inclined.

N

I'd move that we approve this uh I'll, make a motion that we approve it subject to 155 and.

N

Chapter 156, with the four stipulations listed um into separate, if you don't mind, maybe just.

A

Start with the motion, chapter 155, subject to the five conditions sure just make the motion.

F

Okay, so we have a motion, presumably chapter 155, for approval, subject to.

A

The five conditions listed in the staff report is there any further discussion.

A

All right and laura: do we need, can we just uh do we need a roll card? Can we just look? I think.

C

You do a voice fit since we're all in person. We can see who's voting. Clearly, that's fine, very.

D

Good, all those in favor aye all right all right. This is unanimously approved. Thank you and uh is.

A

There a motion to approve pursuant to chapter 156. Yes, I would move that. We approve, subject to 156.

N

And before stipulations uh noted in our days, a second very good, so we have a motion to approve.

A

uh Pursuant to chapter 156, subject to the four conditions listed in the staff report, is there.

A

Any further discussion, I would also note I don't think we need to see it. I think you can sign up.

N

Right all right, uh all in favor, all right, that's unanimous! Thank you very much. Thank you.

A

All right, we will move on to item 10.

A

Which is entitled special report pearls farm, it's case, number f. Is it francis fx2002.

Q

Good morning planning commission good morning very nice to see you see everybody likewise,.

Q

And to meet you michael, thank you welcome there with you, bye, find our powerpoint again.

Q

Okay, I'm kirsten egrel with carol county's development review. I have with me today the.

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Owner developer, mr charles condon and the engineer linda alexander of clsi,.

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We are here with pearl's farm now, there's a file number on here for a major subdivision.

Q

But what this actually is is an amended platform and it's actually a special report for an amended.

Q

Plot amendments don't normally go before the planning commission for review and approval.

Q

It's an administrative thing, but we wanted to bring this before you. Today's a special report.

Q

Before proceeding with that, to make sure that the commission doesn't have any comments or concerns.

Q

About the proposed changes for the amended flag, so this is a special report. um We will be asking.

Q

For an action, I've got a blurb here about the action required to we'll get to in a minute.

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Basically, a thumbs up to proceed with the amended flat or any any changes that might be required.

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Associated with that, but let's look at where we are here. First on the map, so hurls farm, like I.

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Said there's a major subdivision file number on here, because pearl's farm was a major subdivision.

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That was processed and actually just finally recorded last year, so this is just barely off our.

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Table and now it's back again for some changes, um property market has changed over the last year and.

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I think that's that's if I could speak for them or from our discussions. It's largely why we're.

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Looking for these changes now um so we're at hills farm, it's a subdivision that occurred at the 26.

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And 27 maryland 26 27 intersection just north of that intersection, and these arrows don't work. Okay,.

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All right, so you can see 27 here and 26 here. Earl's farm is currently just a big open field.

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They are, on the left hand, side for the western side of maryland 27. last year. The plot that was.

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Approved and reported last year took the original property and split off five subdivision lots.

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I keep forgetting that error doesn't work all right. This is the last subdivision that.

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Was planted last year where they did a five lot subdivision, it took five lots off and that leaves.

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The remaining portion, the remaining portions, what left is what is left over after subdivision in the.

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Agricultural zoning district, so the remaining portion- you can see the full outline over here.

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And this little inset was pretty large 44 acres thereabouts currently, as of the last subdivision,.

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So, what's being proposed now is that the remaining portion is proposed to be reduced in size and put.

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Closer essentially to the existing subdivision, lots and then the part that was given up from.

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That production, the rest of the remaining portion, is going to be given to a neighbor.

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I'm just going to move this keyboard out of the way cause I'm going to keep trying to use it.

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Okay, so what's being proposed now, is that that 44 acre remaining portion, which you can see here on.

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The left this is what the current configuration is, that 44, acre remaining portion is being.

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Proposed to be reduced in size down towards the existing subdivision, lots down to about 6.43 acres.

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And the rest of the remaining portion is proposed to be given to an adjoining.

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Property owner, it's going to be done as a deed of add-on to the adjoining property.

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Owner, I'm going to show you which property that is, that is this property here to the west. This.

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Is big farm? You can see it's all one chunk of land because it's all being farmed, the intent, would be.

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To farm the portion, that's going to be deeded to them, as well as the current intent here now.

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I would be basically erasing this property line here, or rather moving it down.

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And tucking it close to that six acres, that's being reduced the remaining portion, so this.

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Property line here, essentially is going to shift down to here and then the rest of that.

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Property is going to be given to that neighbor and the intent of that neighbor is to farm. It.

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I'm going to look here because there's a specific section of our code that relates to these kind of.

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Exchanges of property when you exchange property, like this, it's considered a deed of add-on.

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You're, adding on the property we're not dividing anything here, we're not dividing this property.

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And giving it to our neighbor we're adding on this property to a neighbor there's a certain section.

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Of our code, it's actually in the definitions of subdivision that subdivision does not include.

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Transfers to an adjoining property owner if the transfer is made the following statement and the.

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Deed, it's a long blurb! It's in the report. I'm not going to read every single word, but.

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Essentially says that the lands being given to the adjoining property owner to enlarge that property.

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That land's considered merged as far as the county code is considered.

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And it's not intended for development, except for accessory structures related to the.

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The primary property, so, in short, this exchange of property, will not increase the lot yield.

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Of the property to the west, that is being added to and the property is being reduced.

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Will be eligible for the yield that its size entitles it to so we're going from 44 acres, which.

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Theoretically, has a lot yield of three remaining down to six acres, which theoretically could.

Q

Potentially take a single lot, those other lots are kind of being erased in this process. Now I want.

Q

To talk about the lot yield for that remaining portion too, though, because last year, when that.

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Subdivision was recorded, the configuration of the remaining portion as it is currently at 44 acres.

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The configuration for that remaining portion currently, although it has three lots available.

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Technically, it does not have the minimum required road footage to allow for subdivision.

Q

The way that the plan was done, then that was understood then that's understood. Now. That's not.

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Changing now, this current proposal is not going to change that it's technically going to have a lot.

Q

Remaining for availability, but it would need to go this reconfiguration process again to increase the.

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Frontage to a public road to allow for subdivision, as you can see, there's not much wiggle room on.

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That plan, which I think is why it is done the way that it is currently to begin with. I can't.

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Speak for the property and or even when that could come back, but that could be a possibility.

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But they'll be limited to that one lot due to the reduced size of the remaining portion so again in.

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Summation they're proposing to reduce the size of the remaining portion and give the leftover land.

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To a neighbor for purposes of farming or accessory uses not to increase the neighbor's lot yield.

Q

And the rain portion will maintain the light yield available to it as a size of about six acres. So.

Q

We are just seeking for the planning commission to review and approve this modification and then.

Q

We will proceed with the amended flat process and record a new subdivision flap of the state.

Q

I'll be more than happy to answer any questions very good, so mr condon or miss alexander. Do you.

A

Have anything to add to the presentation? The only thing I would add, linda alexander, with clsi.

E

um The gentleman who wants the this land that we're getting ready to try to.

E

Give to him has been um actively, I want to say driving mr condon crazy for about the past four or.

E

Five years he really wants that property to farm. He doesn't want to lose it's. He is farming portion.

E

Of it now there is a county forest conservation easement on it, that's still going to exist over.

E

Some existing woods an existing stream on the one portion that was given as part of the subdivision.

E

It's going to stay intact, um the six acre piece, uh the kind of the reason it's configured, the.

E

Way, it is is where it perked and it does have some significant drainage swales on that piece.

E

That aren't always farmed. It depends on what the weather's like on a you know on a given farming.

E

Season, whether it's farm, so we kind of um didn't, want to make it too choppy around there, so he to.

E

The neighbor, so the gentleman that ends up with or that's currently a contract to buy the remaining.

E

Portion doesn't have to deal with a farmer coming right down in that you know. So that's.

E

That's kind of the way that it's configured but um mr condon, who owns the farm behind.

E

Really wants that piece of property. Obviously he's stayed in the d, he stayed and has been.

E

Consistently wanting it- and we didn't want to do anything to hold up the subdivision.

E

Until we were recorded and could move forward with that portion of it he's essentially farming it now.

A

He's is he farming that now he's been farming it for more than 25 years, which is why he wants it.

A

This there's no recommendation in the staff report. um It just says decision.

Q

For us I probably should have said recommendations. Does the staff have any reservations about about.

D

This no, it was only to bring it to your attention as it's a pretty significant.

Q

Change in size and because the remaining portion is shown on the subdivision flat.

Q

We wanted to make sure that there was consistency, moving forward and understanding when that and.

Q

Why that change happened again? It does technically have lot yield available to it.

Q

In the future, um so I just wanted to bring it to your attention that if there were any concerns.

Q

Or otherwise, if it's no concerns, we can just proceed with the amended plot process.

Q

A lot yield you're talking about is on the 6.43 acre a lot yield on the 6.43 acres property.

Q

Yes, that's related to the subdivision plot that was recorded last year now. It's of some note.

Q

But maybe not some significant note at this time that the property in question is being.

Q

This is being transferred to mr conan's property here to the west does not appear to have ever gone.

Q

Through any subdivision or any off conveyances or been touched by our process at all in the past.

Q

So it's possible that we have not confirmed it again because they haven't come through.

Q

Our process that they could come before the county for a subdivision in the future.

D

But again, this change is not going to. This is not going to reflect in their lot yield availability.

Q

For that there will be a note specifically on the subdivision, amended plat um to that point.

Q

As well, or rather in the deed, specifying that that conveyance is not for development purposes,.

Q

So am I right and understanding that really this is a net neutral when it in terms of.

A

Light yield, it doesn't change in terms of the remaining phase and it doesn't change for the.

A

Piece, that's receiving the additional acreage nobody's, getting any additional lot yield.

Q

The remaining portion is technically going to be reducing its total yield. It's going.

Q

To lose those two lots due to the reduction in size, okay, so the remaining portion still.

F

Has to come back to somebody to be able to build on it? Yes, well, not to build on it. So.

Q

Right now, the remaining portion of 44 acres can have a house if it reduces down to six.

Q

Acres, it can have a house right now, 44 acres, it could theoretically have three lots and at six.

Q

It could theoretically have one new lot come off, but neither of those subdivision possibilities can.

Q

Move forward, unless they change the road frontage, they have gotta, they have to increase their road.

Q

Frontage to a certain minimum weight before it can be considered for subdivision. That's not on the.

Q

Table right now- and I can't speak for if it would be in the future either, but it's a possibility for.

Q

One additional lot: okay, I would say that, based on the um person that is going to be building.

E

On the six acre piece and the size of house and the complex he's building, he doesn't have.

E

At this point, he's not showing any intention that he would want to come back.

E

And you know put anything else back there, not to mention it's probably not going to perk so.

A

In my experience it's a little unusual, so, let's just make sure I get my head around.

A

It I will tell you in all the ones I've done in ag subdivision this is. This is the first.

E

But then we have a very motivated gentleman behind that wants to continue to farm it.

E

So we're trying to accommodate that and um the gentleman that is very interested.

E

In the six acre, piece really doesn't want the 44, but he really wants to be on that six acre piece.

E

Property, you know, I mean and wants his house there. So so at this point I have other people.

E

You know me like not not just charlie but we're trying to move it forward as fast as possible.

G

Does that farm in ag press linda? No, it's not. I thought. Maybe it was, but it's not and even.

E

The harrison property to the I guess you want to say to the south there: it's not nag prez either.

E

So I was such a motivated agricultural person down there. You may want to recommend that I.

G

Mean he I I was actually surprised that would be a perfect spot for aggress in that area. So.

A

All right any other questions by any of the commission members.

E

I don't think we told him when it was.

A

Well, very good, so is: uh do we have an interest in making a motion.

Q

To approve the amended plan I'll take a shot.

Q

Well and we're not going to be approving the amended plat because we'll be approving the.

R

Amendment applied administratively, I want to get the language. um What did I have in.

Q

Here to review and approve the modification okay proposal, I think, would be a nice future.

F

Okay, I make a motion that the planning commission review and approved the modification.

F

Of the remaining portion from 44.42 acres to 6.43 acres.

F

And once approved an amended plaque would be processed.

F

Is that good I'll check it out very good? So we have a motion to approve the modification proposal.

A

Okay- and we have a second- is there any further discussion.

A

All in favor aye looks like it's proof. Good luck! Thank you very much.

A

Very good: we have a well-earned recess.

A

We'll take for about 10 minutes, we'll come back at 20 over 11.

A

All right I'll call meeting back to order. Welcome back everybody last item on our agenda today is.

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Item 12, which is special report. It's regarding the carroll highlands, self storage. Perfect. Thank you.

O

David b craft bureau of development review back before you again with a much shorter report.

O

So, as mentioned, this is in reference to the carroll highlands self storage. This is strictly.

O

In reference to a variance request, that is going to be heard by the zoning administrator.

O

um With me, are some constituents of the the project and I'll? Let them introduce themselves.

S

Hello good afternoon or good morning, eric mcwilliams from bowler engineering.

J

Good morning, mike castellito with uh broad reach, retail partners we're the contract holder on.

J

The property good welcome okay, so um kind of as already mentioned, but I just want to hone in on it.

O

Again so as of now, the county hasn't received any official plans. As you know, there's no file number.

O

Associated with this, because there's no process associated with this at this time.

O

A variance request was sent in to the zoning administrator.

O

For a parking reduction of the code requirements for this use, as we've had in the past.

O

Variance was approved by the zoning administrator prior to planning a zoning commission. Having heard.

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Anything about it. We wanted to make sure that the planning commission can provide any comments or.

O

Recommendations so that they can get forwarded on to the zoning administrator prior to his hearing.

O

If the developer wishes to pursue this use, this self-storage facility on these lots.

O

Then a separate site development plan process will occur, um and that is where a lot of the details in.

O

Reference to the hours, the lights, any signage are going to be hashed out and verified, and.

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And brought before the public with these public meetings.

O

But at this time we're strictly here just looking to discuss the the requested parking lot variants.

O

Okay, so there's no official action needed by the planning zone commission. This is.

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Strictly, just for consideration and comment prior to that variance, request, determination.

O

Okay, so with that out of the way for those that are unfamiliar, so this project.

O

Is down in eldersburg? It is an election district number five. It is actually right.

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On the corner of carroll highlands, road and liberty, road, which is uh maryland route 26.

O

And the project itself is comprised of three roughly three and a half acres and it's.

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Comprised of four different parcels, so if I move on to the next slide here.

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You can see there's four parcels here. So three of those four parcels are on a plat of record, so.

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This one's 20 and this one's 21 within that curl highland subdivision.

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um Of the four parcels, as you can see, two of those currently have improvements, while two of those.

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This being one and this being the other unapproved and are mostly wooded, the property lies within the.

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C2, which is commercial medium, zoning district, with the easternmost parcel being split zoned.

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With residential 20 000., so this being the easternmost parcel, if I scroll back up here.

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You can kind of see so the the front half of that that butts up against 26.

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Is c2 zoning, commercial, medium and the lower half of that is zoned.

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Residential 20 000. there are no streams or fema 100 year, floodplain designations, currently on site.

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So the adjoining properties to the north being across liberty, road, the south and the east are.

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Of the subject property our zone, 20, 000 and host private residences, the property to the.

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West, across carroll highlands uh being this, you see this little sliver over here is zone c2 and.

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Currently, hosts a commercial office, all adjoining properties are served by public water and sewer.

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The subject property, as well as the adjoining properties, lie within the.

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Freedom priority funding area, as well as the freedom growth area.

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So this drawing is what was provided to the zoning administrator in reference to.

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This variance request and shown on this drawing is a twenty thousand four hundred square foot.

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Five story, self storage facility and associated parking area which will span across the four.

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Parcels so as the site spans all four of those parcels, an amended plat will be required.

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As this moves through that process to consolidate those properties altogether accessing to the site,.

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Is currently shown from carol hollings road and you can see that right here.

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A portion of the site is also crossed by a planned major street being right, an hour away. That is.

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Shown spanning from panoramic drive, which is down here to carroll highlands, road, which is over here.

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That will be addressed during the site development plan process.

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A pre-submittal meeting for the proposed improvements was held on july 9 2021 between the.

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Developer the engineer and county staff, however, as already stated, a site plan has not been submitted.

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At this time, the developer is looking to obtain this parking variance prior to moving forward.

O

So there's there hasn't been much information provided to and reviewed by the county at this.

O

Time the proposed self-storage facility will be comprised of roughly 903 units per the code.

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A self storage facility without driveway access, so without those individual drive aisles between.

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Units are required to have one space for every ten storage, bays plus two for employee parking.

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And three for customer parking located at the business office. After doing this, calculation.

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For what's proposed, the proposed development would require about 95 to 96 parking spaces.

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The developer is seeking a variance from the good required 95.3 parking spaces to.

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Roughly 24 parking spaces once in variance determination, is made by the zoning administrator.

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And the developer wishes to pursue the development at that time, a site plan will have to go through.

O

The site development plan process and be reviewed by all county staff in reference to making sure.

O

It's in compliance with code, so uh so you guys have an idea as to what the site looks like.

O

Just moving through some pictures here, so this is looking at the site from maryland route 26. You.

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Can see the two buildings that currently reside on site? This is standing at that easternmost building.

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Looking into the wooded area as if you're looking towards panorama drive- and this is standing.

O

In the middle of the state, again looking east to um to the east side and then the next spot.

O

Here so these are all essentially looking to the west, so this is that existing building.

O

This is looking towards carroll highlands, and this is that existing commercial office- that's.

O

Across carroll highlands road and then these two sites are just looking at the existing.

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Improvements on site so again at this time, we're not looking for any type of determination.

O

We're just looking for any type of comments or concerns. That'll get forwarded to the zoning.

O

Administrator for his hearing so with that, if there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer.

O

I'm sure they'd also be happy to answer any questions or concerns.

O

They're good, these gentlemen, have anything to add what they've just presented yeah. I think.

S

uh A few things and- and I can get long-winded so so just raise your hand if I go on good job.

S

uh The first time david, if we could go back to the site plan, it's very rudimentary. It's a conceptual.

S

Plan at this point in time, once once we understand uh or gain an understanding from the county.

S

As to whether or not we can reduce the parking, obviously it'll be refined further, but that.

S

Carroll highlands, road, which is a you know, the collector for a residential uh development behind.

S

We have the the parcel besides, I want to point this out now now we could put parking there right.

S

But we're not going to um a number of reasons why we're not going to get into those today.

S

But it'll help it'll help. I think you know keep that residential character by not doing that.

S

Additional parking um you we've got area to to the west or to the east, which has steep slopes as well.

S

And to the rear, which is residential, that we, you know, could obviously expand the parking as well.

S

But there's really no need for for additional parking on this site um and we, I believe.

S

David correct me: if I'm wrong, we would probably need relief to do.

S

Commercial parking in a residential district if we were to go there.

S

The fact the fact is that that these self-storage units are are very low use um for some reason.

S

The code is split between the the mini storage, the ones that you would drive up with it with the.

S

Little doors and an internal self storage unit, but in fact the use is the same. um You know basically.

S

About 10 parking spaces is all you need at max capacity, uh we're going to propose uh 25. I think.

S

This this concept actually shows 24.. I did account when I was here. I was a little embarrassed by that.

S

But uh you know we're requesting this, this reduction and hope to get your.

S

Blessing for the reduction- because really this is all this use requires. Thank you.

N

Seems awfully high for again adjacent to residential properties.

N

You know if we would assume 10 or 12 foot ceiling heights I mean is this: is: are we right in assuming.

N

That this is going to have a building height of 60 feet. It's not, I believe, I believe, we're capped.

S

Out at 50. and and the architects are aware of that and we'll design the building accordingly,.

S

Yeah, according to code and I'll state within the commercial medium zoning district, you have a max.

O

Height of 50., so that's where all of them are kept out at and like. I guess, the last.

N

Thing I'll say is um yeah. I do have concerns about reducing the parking per thousand so significantly.

N

And it's not because I agree with you, I mean I don't think, there's going to be a ton of use.

N

Day in day out, but I could, I think we could- we could conceive of a situation where end of year.

N

You have people heading back to school end of the month. It would be high volume or higher volume.

N

And you know, do you do you need 30? Do you need 40? I don't know, but to go from 90 to.

N

24 is a big drop and, and the other thing I'll say is, and I get what you're saying.

N

About the individual units, but those individual units that typically have.

N

Lanes that you're driving around to get to those different different units- this is all internal.

N

And so those people have to park somewhere, they can't park in front of their unit. So I just I.

N

Have to say that I've got some real reservations about this and and it'll be interesting to see.

N

If anybody's on the call, because I do know the gentleman who owns advantage title.

N

And I know that we saw an email.

N

From at least one property owner who's adjacent and she was she, I believe it.

N

Was she voiced concerns about it, and I would just echo those concerns in case she's, not on the phone.

N

Could I could I respond to them absolutely. Thank you, sir. So so a couple of things.

S

For one, um this county is a unique in the sense that it requires such an excessive.

S

Amount of parking for this use, um we do, we do work all throughout the state of maryland.

S

And this is the only county that requires this kind of uh parking for these uses. I also have.

S

Mike castellito here who builds and operates these units so from from an operator perspective.

S

He has some input as to what what really goes on, not hypothetically, but what actually happens.

S

In these facilities, yeah again, thank you. um You know we'll be able to share that data with you.

J

Not only this specific operator of self storage but self storage data throughout the country there.

J

Are only at any given time two employees working at this location- um and that is just if one was.

J

To go to the restroom know that there's someone there to cover the door so there's never any any.

J

More than two employees, and even at their peak times of business, there's typically no more than.

J

Six to ten users at the facility at any given time and we'd, be able to support that with data.

J

And information that is available for these types of operations, you know across the country.

P

Do you have a sense of what the occupancy is for these type of units 900 units? How many would be.

P

Occupied at any highest peak, well, we'd like it to be a hundred percent. um You know uh from we.

J

Look at it at from any commercial use is roughly around. Ninety percent right um is where you wanna.

J

Be will it be there day one no way, you know, it'll take probably five to seven years. uh You know to.

J

Get to there what's what's the actual footprint of the building, I think it's a hundred and two by.

J

Two 200 roughly about 20. Just over there, over 20 000 square feet, yeah 20, 400 square feet per floor.

S

So I have a question about access. um I say it's coming in or proposed off of highland carroll.

F

Highlands, why not off of liberty are the existing homes? Do they come off of carroll highlands now.

S

So so there is a driveway off carroll highlands and there also is a driveway off of liberty, road.

S

uh Sha has explicitly requested as uh that they want to do road improvements here and they they.

S

Basically said you will not gain an entrance off of off of liberty uh and as the presentation.

S

The first presentation of of the morning uh went into that that route, 26 expansion uh and improved.

S

Improvement, so that's that's the main reason why uh we're coming off of carroll highlands right.

J

We would like that, but we were you guys were don't trying to be. You know judicious about our process.

J

And hear comments and take all those comments into consideration. We were told no access to 26., okay,.

F

And can you refresh my memory on um the property down there that the patents have.

F

Where that road is coming, is that coming up to ride an hour away? Where does that come just.

J

I believe so that also was in a conversation that we had early on with. You know, folks, within.

J

The county here of making that connection and I believe we're going to be dedicating.

J

You'll you'll see two access and and eric you can speak more of you know the access that we.

J

Have going to that future proposed for the for the master planned road yeah so that there'll.

S

Be a there'll, be a connector between panorama and carroll highlands; road which will which.

S

Is part of the the county master plan um and and when that occurs, they'll be we'll extend.

S

uh Our driveways to them, where they'll be extended at that point in time there will be a portion of.

S

The property that will be dedicated for these for these improvements, as well as the developer.

S

Has taken on a preliminary design of some of these improvements? It won't be through final engineering.

S

Design but it'll be we've already been working through public works um on what what the geometry.

S

And and engineering elements would be okay and you, mr castalido, you currently have um other buildings.

F

That are similar to this that you've built instead of here. Okay, and what is the parking there? Is it.

F

24 or more less significantly, less we've done one in howard county. uh We did it.

J

Three months ago we finished it. I think it has less than 10 spaces.

J

And that was no variance required.

P

Is this, uh would this be 24-hour accessible storage? We can, it doesn't have to be.

J

um It is a completely secured building all by card reader, so you can't enter the building.

J

Unless you have, you know, access code, um you know all cameras, a complete security system.

J

There wouldn't be people there for say like employees 24 hours, but we we don't have to.

J

Be you know we don't have to allow 24 hour access. We have some facilities that are not.

A

So um I appreciate the responses to the questions you know. My personal preference is I'm sensitive.

A

To the parking, but at the same time I'm not a fan of having you know, just acres of paved land with.

A

Impermeable surfaces and water, runoff and storm water management issues a lot of stuff so getting.

A

The parking right I'm interested in and so I'd be very interested in the data you bring back. I know.

A

It's not for today, but giving you a preview of questions you're likely to get at least from me.

A

Is going to be around what data can you show us in your other facilities.

A

That right sizes, this parking, the um I am bothered by the height I'll- tell you that right now.

A

um I don't think we've allowed signs to be this tall, so let alone buildings, but I know.

A

It's permitted and I get that and maybe is: does your business model work if it's less than five.

A

Stories I mean: is that even an option that you can come back to us and say well, we can do a.

A

Three-Story building here and that makes sense, and it or you know if it doesn't, it doesn't and.

A

I get that, but I'm just putting the question out there that I'm going to be troubled.

A

I am troubled by something that big um and I was looking at the satellite image on my ipad.

A

I know, as you said, we've got the residential here on that one lot: it's our 20 000. I think.

A

Or whatever, but you are up against that across the street- is a pretty big residential community, but I.

A

Get sort of county corner is a commercial place, so you're sort of on the on the margins between.

A

Between commercial and residential and that's always a tricky place, a tricky place to be and.

A

We always want to balance out residential interest and commercial interest, so I know that's not, for.

I

Discussion today, I'm just giving you concerns that you know landscaping is going to be a big.

A

Something's going to be top of mind for everybody and whether light lighting is going to be.

A

Interfering with residential areas and how that's directed in the height of lighting.

A

And noise sounds like noise is not really a problem here, even if it's 24 hours a day, it's.

A

People coming in relatively you know: it's not tractor trailers coming in delivering big stuff.

A

So those are the those look, I'm happy to there's a need. You feel it. That's wonderful and that's good.

A

For our community- um and so god bless you for that- we just want to balance out residential versus.

A

Commercial interests, so whatever you can do to to anticipate questions we might have about that and.

A

That work well with the community, which I'm sure you will um that'll that'll, help facilitate this.

A

Whole discussion as you move forward in the process, so is that topography there elevated.

F

Already, isn't it? Yes, yes, yeah, there's 50 foot. On top of it, that's going to be like the mountain. I.

F

Think but I could be wrong and I think a lot will have to do with the aesthetics of it too.

S

uh Architecturally wise as well as landscape, is that, where you're thinking, aesthetics, okay,.

O

Yeah, I think, as um just to chime in here, as mr mcwilliams already said, I mean.

O

Once they get once a determination is made on parking, it's very well possible that this design.

O

Is completely altered and completely changed? Maybe they go for a more squatted and wider building.

O

I mean it's very well possible and unfortunately, without having a lot of the data that we would.

O

Normally have with the site development plan, you know actually being submitted. It's it's easy to.

O

Kind of speculate as to what should be done and what may be done and whatnot one go ahead.

S

One final thought is: is we also have a loading area on here, so there will be.

S

If 25 cars, which I've never seen at one of these facilities, filled, um if say, we had 25 cars there.

S

There's also the loading area first over spillage, which would be accommodated on site as well. People.

J

Usually come here to load and unload, they don't come here to park. Yeah right, I don't know, and I.

A

Think is the loading is the loading and unloading is that, on the end closest to the that's on the.

N

Side facing the residential yeah opposite liberty, rhythm yeah. It's on this right here, right, yeah,.

A

Yeah so the you know, the lighting and the noise issues are going to be it's kind of helpful. Maybe.

A

It's helpful to hear our comments ahead of time even before you've, given us a site plan. I also.

J

Want to share you know the orientation of the way we have it here is a function of comments made by.

J

The county, when we had our preliminary meetings in regards to the connector road coming from panorama.

J

Over at carroll islands, we had originally had this facing and we wanted it. You know to be.

J

On the liberty roadside, but then we got asked to accommodate this access road in the long term plan.

J

Of the county, which then forces us to front that road and have access off of that road, so that you.

J

Know that that's where the genesis of that came from so I think it's important yeah I mean because.

N

Again, as I looked at it, I was wondering exactly what you're saying, while we put the doc again.

N

There's no good place to to to put a dot right. I mean because it's not going to be pleasant, but.

N

I was wondering all those questions could mainly concerning noise and light to the.

N

Adjacent property owners. So I appreciate what you're saying, because that gives us a rationale.

N

For what you've done, yeah? um Okay, it just just for clarification. It's not a dock! It's.

S

Just an area to kind of park your car yeah, but that'll have an elevator access. I imagine right.

P

All in turn, so it's actually quite nice and I know you'll see these details as we develop a project.

J

But you know there'll be sliding glass doors. You know it's very nice to be a nice covered.

J

Area, for you know, loading and all of that then happens inside the building and then.

J

They there's a area inside the building right in front of those doors. That's then, would be an.

J

Elevator, that would be inside the facility, so none of that is visible from the outside. Okay.

A

Well, please don't take our comments that, were you know, hostile to this, we.

A

Just want to make sure that we balance out the interest. We've got a community.

A

And we've got commercial areas and we just want to make sure we're. Mindful of all the.

A

Different competing interests here to make this as good as it can be. No, I appreciate.

J

That and that's our approach as well to hear and listen and then try to incorporate.

J

um I think we have some callers on the line, so why don't we take comments? Any other questions.

C

um So matt we drove some callers on the line for comments.

B

We have a nancy lynch, one of my favorites.

T

R

Thank you nancy lynch. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you. Can you hear me now.

H

Yes, we can, yes, I'm sorry uh yeah we're. We are the immediate adjacent homeowner.

H

And we've lived there 35 years and when we saw the site plan with the required 91 spaces.

H

We're just immediately concerned that with 900 units to go down to 25 just seems kind of crazy.

H

And we were very concerned that with if the entrance is on carroll highlands right.

H

Next to our house, there'll be cars and trucks idling on the street if they can't find a spot.

H

Like one of the commissioners mentioned, you know during high volume time back to school christmas.

H

With covet, a lot of people have been getting rid of stuff putting stuff in storage. So our main.

H

Concern is the reduction of the parking spaces. It's a very quiet, residential road there's, a lot.

H

Of young families with young children, there's a bus, stop right there and we're just really.

H

Concerned about that, and we really wish that the entrance could be off the liberty road.

U

B

And then I also have a don weed that signed up for comments on this project.

U

Yes good morning, can you all hear me? Yes, yes, uh good morning, my name is dawn mead. I have been.

U

A resident of carroll highlands since 2003 and the home I live in has been owned by the meade family.

U

Since the mid-80s, during that time, we've had a significant neighborhood demographic turnover.

U

From a very quiet war, elderly community that had very little traffic to what has.

U

Now become a vibrant and active community full of kids and full of commuters.

U

Additionally, in the period of time, I've lived on this street what had been a dying, barely.

U

Occupied resident uh real estate agency has become advantage title, which is full every.

U

Day which again increased traffic at what we call the top end of pro highlands road, the end at 26.

U

And you know we find the idea of this new development greatly problematic. Putting aside.

U

The issue of a danger to children and the school buses and that sort of thing.

U

Our road ends on liberty. Road bear road, narrow as it is. We have challenges getting in and out.

U

Of the neighborhood there, both with turning lanes not really kind of being there on liberty, road to.

U

Just the nature of a two-lane road with a business on one side at the end of a major road without.

U

A light- and I can tell you from discussing with the carroll highlands community facebook.

U

Page, as well as being the property that butts up to the panorama drive community.

U

We have a lot of problems, just not just the parking but the development um for a comparison.

U

Look at marvin avenue where the new dunkin donuts is well the old at this point. Dunkin donuts. If you.

U

Go there at the wrong time of day you have traffic backed up on liberty, road. You have people waiting.

U

To try to turn into that street and idling on that street to get into that facility and.

U

That's with the wide road and with a turning lane there our neighborhood does not have that benefit.

U

We don't have a turning lane or a full turning lane. You don't alight and yeah we're not gonna.

U

Have at a storage facility the the traffic volume that a duncan will, but it is very probable that.

U

Between that and the now booming title service conditions getting in and out of the road onto.

U

Liberty, road are going to get far far more difficult and you know get the only other ways.

U

Out of our neighborhood are sunset to liberty, which is almost as difficult as our street and.

U

Ridge road, which, as we heard earlier in this meeting, is problematic with traffic already um I.

U

Know this discussion today is primarily regarding the parking on the between the height of the plan.

U

And the parking and the greatly increased traffic predicted and the problems on the narrow liberty.

U

Road right there, I see no way that people in the community will support this project. Thank you.

U

U

We have another call. Yes, we do.

H

H

A

We can hear you go ahead.

R

Oh okay, okay, all right! That's that's all we have what's the cost back, I'm sure.

A

Very good, okay, thank you.

A

um So you've heard me: I'm guessing you've heard some of these comments before, as you can.

T

Yeah, my apologies. um Yes, I'm also one of the residents on panorama drive and having.

T

A storage facility there it smack dab in the center is something that I would not support.

T

um It's because of the privacy, the wildlife that's already there. um Also. I don't think this is going.

T

To address, but how is the rain water going to um going to be flooded? I'm going to be washed away.

T

um There's already issues already an adjacent house that gets a lot of um a lot of flooding.

T

In their house, um so my main concern is the privacy. The working from home is going to be.

T

Disturbing with constructions out there, a lot of we're already seen a lot of competing cars.

T

On off of liberty, liberty, road, um so the noise will also increase um with beating cars flying.

T

By on liberty, road, which wasn't necessarily a a main road, but now it's being used as a main road.

T

um That's that's really problematic for us for our neighborhood, it's already a quiet, neighborhood.

T

All the foot traffic that's going to come from from the storage facility, especially at five feet,.

T

Storage facility uh I mean five-story facility is gonna, be ridiculous. I won't support that.

T

Very good, thank you for your comments.

A

That's it. Thank you any other questions. In light of the comments.

B

Earlier she was not on the line, but she did just send in an email. So you will see that.

B

Okay, very good believe it or not, I'm out and about a little bit. I would gladly take an email.

N

Or an address of the facility you completed in howard, and I would I would drop down there.

N

And take a look at that, if you think it helps your case, um I I'm not averse to.

N

To doing that, if, if that's uh something you can put in front of us I'd, do it sure it's right on.

J

Washington boulevard in elkridge, good okay, um do that next time, I'm at the airport I'll do that.

D

A

So, in terms of, is there anything actually needed from us today in terms of activity, so nothing.

O

Is officially needed at this point um so a as mentioned, a variance request has already been.

O

Sent into the zoning administrator, they themselves have a process and a timeline. They have to follow.

O

So the next time you see this again if they wish to pursue with it, would be with a site development.

O

Plan where this parking will already have been approved, disapproved or approved modification, so.

O

um At this time, we're just looking for any comments, any concerns, so that way, you guys.

O

Are aware of this, but also so we can forward those on to the sending administrator before.

O

They themselves make this determination, but um we're not needing any official.

O

Vote or anything like that, well, um eric and mike, we appreciate you guys.

A

Coming in today and uh talking to us and giving us a little preview and having us.

A

Give you some initial thoughts and, as I say I want you to understand, I certainly don't.

A

Don't take this as us being hostile to this idea, but we just have to balance it out and.

A

And take a different interest into account and it sounds like you know that and you're going to be.

A

Talking to us about that so anyway, thanks for your interest and thanks for coming in today, thank you.

J

Good luck, thank you all um and I guess for general public comment. The last thing we have is.

A

Item 13: are there any members of the public online? There are no additional callers at this time.

A

All right well, then, I'd be happy to entertain a motion that we adjourned.

D

Thank you all very much. Thank you. Don't forget.

D