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From YouTube: 2017 10 18 Cedar City Council Work Meeting
Description
Weekly scheduled public City Council meetings for Cedar City, UT
B
Good
afternoon,
everyone
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
to
open
up
the
meeting
today,
appreciate
that,
so,
let's
pray
shall
we
father
God.
Thank
you
so
much
for
what
I
believe
that
you've
done
is
ordaining
government
God
for
the
people
and
by
the
people,
and
so
that
we
can
function
God
in
a
way
that
you
have
always
chosen
us
to
do
that.
We
asked
for
discerning
hearts
and
minds
and
that
we
would
have
success
today
and
all
that
has
been
designed
to
be
taken
care
of
today.
B
A
C
C
Secondly,
last
night
at
the
debate,
I
I
actually
stood
up
and
clap
silently
for
brew
shoes
and
his
is
plan
to
remove
his
campaign
signs
when
we
get
our
hundred
and
forty
five
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand
at
least
visitors
for
the
city.
I
commend
him
for
that.
There
seemed
I,
didn't
see
a
lot
of
nodding.
Heads
so
I
will
say,
ask
maybe
at
least
you
know
like
how
the
the
Germans
and
the
Allies
during
World
War,
one
on
Christmas
Eve,
would
go
out
and
and
have
peace
in
no-man's
land.
C
Maybe
ask
all
the
candidates
to
remove
their
signs
on
the
route,
at
least
on
Kolff
drive
and
maybe
on
the
route
around
on
Cody
Drive,
that
where
the
visitors
will
be
parking,
maybe
just
that
little
part
they'll
be
able
to
see
your
signs
when
they
go
other
places.
But
some
of
the
candidates
have
three
signs
in
the
same
yard
and
on
qoph
driving
less
is
more
people
less
is
more.
F
Director
last
time,
I
talked
with
kids,
they're
gonna
be
going
out
in
design
and
they've
gone
out
there
and
they
shot
the
shot
and
everything,
but
they
don't
think
that
they
can
do
it
before
it
gets
too
cold,
and
with
that
large
of
a
section,
they
don't
want
to
pour
this
a
man
because
they're
afraid
to
get
some
popping
and
stuff.
So
that's
a
project
that
we're
looking
at
doing
probably
in
the
spring.
Okay
it'll
be
in
this
year's
budget.
All
right
after.
C
The
rest
of
the
council
say
there
are
things
I've
invited,
Zach
Cheryl
here
from
the
National
Park
Service
Cedar
Breaks.
They
have
donated
a
telescope
to
the
city,
library
for
checking
out
and
I
just
wanted
him
to
show
that
and
show
the
telescope.
So
maybe
if
he
has
a
class
and
teach
at
six,
so
I
invited
him
here
for
part
of
my
time.
But
after
these
folks.
H
So
I'm
Zach
Cheryl-
this
is
Lisa
Ricci,
we're
education
specialists
up
at
Cedar
Breaks,
and
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
real,
quick,
a
new
partnership
between
us,
the
city,
library
and
the
southern
Utah
space
foundation.
So
with
part
of
the
grant
money
that
we
got
a
while
back
to
host
the
astronomy
festival.
That
just
happened
for
the
first
time.
A
few
weeks
ago,
we've
purchased
and
modified
a
number
of
small
telescopes
and
we're
partnering
with
public
libraries
throughout
iron
in
Washington
County,
to
make
these
telescopes
available
for
anyone.
H
Any
library
patrons
to
check
out
take
home
for
a
week
at
the
time
and
use
it
to
explore
our
wonderful
dark
skies
here
in
southern
Utah.
So
before
long
you'll
be
able
to
go
to
the
Cedar
City
Library
and
check
one
of
these
out
and
play
around
with
it
at
home
and
look
at
stars
and
planets
and
galaxies
and
all
sorts
of
cool
stuff.
So
we're
really
excited.
We
think
the
library
for
helping
us
out
with
this
program.
H
The
idea
of
checking
out
telescopes
libraries
was
actually
started
in
New
Hampshire
about
ten
years
ago
and
there's
an
astronomy
club
there.
That's
actually
put
over
a
hundred
of
these
into
local
libraries
throughout
the
state.
So
it's
a
program,
that's
been
very
popular
and
very
successful
in
other
areas
and
we're
hoping
to
replicate
that
here
with
the
help
of
the
library
and
the
southern
Utah
Space
Foundation,
nothing.
C
Is
foolproof
because
fools
are
so
ingenious,
but
these
folks
have
done
quite
a
bit
a
lot
of
times
these
telescopes
come
with
a
bag
of
all
different
eyepieces.
You
see
that
the
the
lens
cover
is
attached
to
a
string,
so
it
doesn't
get
lost,
but
that's
a
an
adjustable
zoom
lens
on
the
on
the
eyepiece
so
that
you
don't
have
to
have
15
little
parts
that
will
get
lost
or
swallowed.
We
and.
I
I
Decker
library,
director,
this
is
something
that
a
lot
of
libraries
are
beginning
to
do
across
the
country.
We
see
it
all
over,
not
only
with
telescopes
cooking
apparatus,
turkey
Roasters,
you
only
need
them
once
or
twice
a
year.
Why
buy
one
and
store
it
when
you
check
it
out
from
your
library,
library
and
Overland,
Park
Kansas
has
hog
butchering
classes.
Libraries
in
Glasgow
Scotland
have
whole
dancing
classes,
and
you
know
Wi-Fi.
I
I
J
J
A
A
G
You
Council
mayor
and
staff,
Darren
Adams,
representing
the
police
department,
is,
as
I'm
sure
you
know,
will
be
hosting
a
town
hall
meeting
tonight
at
7:00.
So
if
you
want
to
attend,
maybe
things
you
can
brush
them
through
and
get
this
medium
completed.
I
know
it's
a
heavy
agenda,
so
you
know
we'll
miss
you.
If
you're
not
there
initially,
but
we're
partnered
with
Sheriff's
Office.
G
The
facial
hair,
we
started
a
program
we
did
this
last
year.
If
you
recall
for
two
months
and
raised
money
for
our
local
Cancer
Center
this
year,
one
of
our
own
city,
employees,
was
recently
diagnosed
with
leukemia
one
of
our
mechanics
and,
and
we
all
have
a
great
working
relationship
with
them
and
with
him,
and
we
decided
we
would
use
this.
This
contest
this
year
to
to
raise
money
for
him
and
his
family
as
they
face
this
long
battle.
G
K
G
L
K
A
M
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
Danny
Stewart
economic
development
director,
we
have
a
great
historic,
downtown
committee
and
if
you
recall
a
few
weeks
ago,
they
worked
on
our
Main
Street.
They
picked
the
coldest
day
of
the
year
to
that
point,
to
work
on
some
painting
and
some
cleaning
up
here
in
the
historic
downtown.
It
looks
great,
they
did
a
nice
job
and
there
they
have
another
project
scheduled
for
this
Saturday.
The
21st
10:00
a.m.
to
1:00
p.m.
M
N
Aaron
counseled
brain
Dangerfield,
director
of
leisure
services,
I'd
like
to
add
my
thanks
as
councilman
Rollie,
said
to
Tom
Comstock,
and
there
was
almost
500
people
that
were
there
the
other
night
last
night
and
it
was
incredible
to
see
them
working
wait
and
his
staff
he's
been
a
little
short
staff.
We've
had
some
folks
that
have
had
to
not
be
able
to
work
lately,
so
is
greatly
appreciated.
All
the
help
that
we
got
wanted
everybody
to
be
aware.
I.
Think
mayor.
N
If
you
already
mentioned
this
sorry
about
that,
the
su
night
at
the
or
Cedar
City
night
at
the
su
football
game
and
then
on
the
27th
is
when
some
of
our
hockey
kids
are
going
to
be
going
down
to
the
Vegas
Golden
Knights
game,
that's
Friday
night
and
the
game
starts
at
7:00
I
think
they
have
a
few
tickets
left.
If
anybody
is
interested,
they
can
go
to
Cedar,
City,
glacier,
calm,
you
can
get
tickets
there,
and
then
we
have
our
spectacular
at
the
Cedar
City
Aquatic
Center
from
6:00
to
9:00
p.m.
N
C
Ran
into
Kerry
fain
today
over
at
three
peaks,
elementary
Nestor,
if
she's
going
to
be
ready
for
December
9th,
because
they're
going
to
be
thousands
of
parents
and
little
brothers
and
sisters
roaming,
the
city,
while
their
bigger
brothers
and
sisters,
learn
how
to
dance
for
the
cultural
thing.
So,
ok.
E
M
D
A
Ok,
then,
we
will
move
on
to
our
public
agenda
with
our
public
comment
portion.
If
there's
anyone
here
that
would
like
to
address
the
council
about
an
item
on
the
agenda,
and
that
was
your
opportunity.
If
you
want
to
speak
about
an
item
on
the
agenda
when
we
get
there
just
jump
up
and
down
or
do
something
so
that
I
can
see
you.
So
if
there's
anyone
that
wants
to
address
the
council.
O
Mayor
staffs,
City,
Council,
Tim
Watson,
just
to
add
to
mr.
Dangerfield's
comments,
my
my
son's
participated
in
the
mountain
bike:
State
the
high
school
mountain
bike
and
there's
estimated
somewhere
between
1200
to
1500
kids
throughout
the
entire
state.
That's
going
to
come
down
for
the
state
championship
in
at
three
peaks
in
November,
so
it'll
be
a
great
opportunity
to
to
showcase
the
the
trails
that
our
local
community
is
built
and
put
together
and
maintain,
as
well
as
I'm
sure,
there's
gonna
be
a
few
visitors
for
other
activities
in
the
area.
O
O
Is
November
4th
it'll
be
a
Saturday
and
it'll
most
likely
start.
The
races
usually
started
around
8:30
9
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
they'll
go
and
tell
3
o'clock
4
o'clock
in
the
afternoon.
So
they
have
quite
a
quite
a
group
but
they're
coming
statewide
last
year
was
in
st.
George.
They
had
1500
kids
participate
last
year,
and
so
as
it's.
O
Last
week
we
went
to
kamas
and
it
snowed
on
us,
so
they,
the
first
thing
that
they
have,
is
the
safety
of
the
participants
in
mind
two
weeks
prior
to
that
at
snow
basin.
They
raced
about
2/3
to
3/4
of
the
kids,
and
the
rain
was
so
heavy
that
they
ended
up
canceling
the
rest
of
it,
but
that's
ages,
7th
graders
all
the
way
through
seniors,
so
it
it
opens
up
for
a
lot
of
great
participants,
both
boys
and
girls,
and
all
the
way
through.
O
A
G
A
G
G
A
O
The
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
amendment
to
this
subdivision
plat.
What
we
currently
have
is
there's
a
an
existing
home
of
mr.
Stratton.
This
sits
here
on
the
corner.
We
included
that
property
for
a
future
afford
a
future
building
and
at
this
point
with
that
property
being
a
life
estate,
mr.
Stratton,
as
each
one
of
these
units,
these
townhome
units
will
be
sold
off.
He
has
to
sell
sign
off
his
portion
of
the
ownership
having
a
life
estate.
O
So
we,
what
we
were
doing
is
we
were
modifying
the
subdivision
boundary
to
exclude
his
property
so
that
we
can.
My
client
still
owns
the
property
with
the
life
estate
on
there,
but
what
that
allows
is
mr.
Stratton
not
to
be
burdened
at
the
time,
the
cell
of
each
one
of
those
properties,
and
so
it
again
at
this
point
we
are
requesting
the
the
vacation
of
this
subdivision
plat,
and
the
next
item
will
be
the
proposing
the
amended
subdivision
plat
any
questions
at
this
time.
P
O
A
Alright,
are
there
any
other
questions
from
the
council,
then
we're
this
is
a
public
hearing
we'll
open
the
public
hearing?
If
there
is
anyone
that
would
like
to
speak
on
the
matter,
public
hearing
is
now
open
all
right,
seeing
no
one.
We
will
close
the
public
hearing.
I
move
this
to
our
action
and
agenda.
O
Tim
Watson,
with
Watson
engineering,
we
have
a
piece
of
land,
roughly
19
acres
that
sits
just
south
of
Providence
Center
in
the
state
liquor
store
along
the
frontage
road
out
to
Eagle
Ridge
South
Mountain.
This
property
is
currently
zoned
annex
transition,
so
it
has
not
been
rezone
or
developed,
or
anything
like
that,
since
it
was
annexed
many
years
ago.
At
this
time
the
general
land
use
shows
it
as
a
low
density
residential.
O
We
are
requesting
that
change
to
a
mixed
use,
which
will
allow
us
to
have
a
transition
between
the
commercial
that
sits
just
to
the
north
of
it
and
the
single-family
load,
low
density,
residential,
the
south
and
the
West.
The
city
owns
the
parcel
here
with
the
the
water
tank
on
there,
so
I
I'm.
Unless
the
city
gets
into
development.
We
see
that
staying
as
open
space,
but
this
gives
our
client
the
option
to
do
you
don't
know
you
don't
know.
Are
you
not
planning
on
developing.
O
O
D
C
Was
mentioned
in
the
debates
last
night
that
we
and
by
mr.
Hall
I
believe
in
a
conversation
with
me
last
night
that
we
ought
to
I.
Think
Ron
mentioned
it
in
the
debates.
But
we
ought
to
look
at
this
whole
master
plan
again
to
to
get
it
put
in
place
and
then
try
to
live
with
the
live
more
within
it
than
constantly
changing.
So
that
might
be
something
to
for
future
councils
to
ponder.
R
A
A
A
S
A
S
Hi
my
name's
Dave
Clark
with
plantain
Plateau
engineering.
This
property
is
currently
zoned,
Central
commercial,
like
all
the
other
red
around
it.
Actually,
this
is
the
this.
Is
the
general
plan
yeah,
so
the
general
plan
shows
this
being
high-density
residential
and
we
would
like
to
amend
the
general
plan
to
make
this
high-density
residential
as
well.
S
A
T
T
S
A
A
S
A
U
U
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C
P
U
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K
B
K
D
A
C
V
Him
know,
thank
you,
okay,
as
you
know,
normally,
when
I
purchase
a
I'm,
pretty
dead,
set
on
what
what
I
want
I've
I've
been
back
and
forth
with
this
sweepers,
the
sweepers
are:
there's
a
lot
of
high
maintenance
on
them
and
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
parts
of
you.
You
know
the
sweep
and
brooms
themselves.
Are
you
know,
that's
just
a
constant,
but
as
far
as
the
the
actual
sweeper
and
I
think
I
meant
a
little
nervous
since
the
mayor
said
make
sure
that
you
get
a
good
one.
V
N
V
The
smaller
one
we
we,
the
technology
that
is
there,
we're
just
or
there's
no
history.
We
don't
know
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
history
on.
You
know
how
long
it's
going
to
last
the
Josten
we
have
we've
had
for
15
years,
the
Elgin
we've
had
for
nine
years,
they're
little
different
because
with
their
ones
mechanical
excuse
me,
the
other
one
is
is
back
and
that's
what
we're
we're
asking
for
excuse
me
is
a
vac
truck.
So
anyway,
there
is
one.
There
was
one
typo
err
on
the
on
the
Elgin
on
the
hopper
size
it.
V
It
is
in
fact
an
a
yard,
not
a
seven,
the
the
smaller
one
will,
if
you
don't
mind
going
through
a
little
bit
the
the
Ravel,
which
is
the
smaller
one.
It's
it's
pretty
cool
I've
got
they've
done
some
pretty
cool
technology.
It's
got
a
front
sweeper
that
the
lack
so
you
reach
over.
It
gets
in
those
deep
gutters
a
little
better.
It
reaches
across
and
gets
a
whole
quarter
of
the
sidewalk
which
we
can
get
some
of
those
weeds
along.
It
gets
girls
between
sidewalk
and
curb.
There's.
So
there's
some
advantages.
It's
got
it.
V
It
just
because
it's
been
it's
been
in
it,
it's
been
in
this
kind
of
rooting
them
up,
and
you
know,
and
so
it's
it's
got
some
advantages,
their
visibility,
wise.
You
know
it's
there's
a
lot
of
visibility,
but
it's
very
small
and
I
think
well.
One
of
the
negative
for
me
is,
is
just
it's
it's
slow.
You
know
it's
top
speed
is
30
mile
an
hour,
even
though
our
roads
are
most
of
our
olds
are
25
mile
an
hour
we
shouldn't
be
speeding,
but
but
you,
but
to
dump
that
load.
V
Normally,
we
would
in
our
bigger
trucks
we
travel
out
to
the
Bullock
pit
and
dump
and
we're
back
in
town
in
just
a
few
minutes,
or
this
one
we'd
have
to
find
locations
in
town
and
dump
and
then
come
back
later
with
the
dump
truck
and
so
there's
so
there's
kind
of
a
disadvantage
there
too.
To
that,
because
we
got
to
find
spots
and
sometimes
we
have
to
travel
quite
a
ways
just
to
find
a
spot
to
dump
in
they
do
make
a
smaller
one.
V
V
I'm
I'm
torn
you
know
the
fuel,
so
one
of
the
other
advantage
so
that
the
smaller
one
is
is
hydrostatic.
So
it
only
takes
one
engine
to
run
your
your
drive
motor
to
run
the
whole
thing
where
and
they
use
a
hydrostatic
to
run
the
the
the
back
where
the
the
sweep
of
the
other
sweepers
have
two
motors
just
like
we
have
now
and-
and
they
probably
run
about
you-
know
two
gallons
more
an
hour.
You
know
or
three
because
you're
using
this
so
yeah,
you
know
there's
some
some
savings
with
the
smaller
one.
V
Most
of
them
are,
you
know,
cuz,
it's
old
technology
and
old.
You
know
they're
all
using
the
bigger
there's.
Only
a
couple
of
these
out
there,
I
guess,
there's
some
in
Las
Vegas
and
where
the
smaller
one
really
fits
in
a
big
city
where
you
they
probably
Park
them
in
a
certain
central
and
in
an
area
and
they
sweep
and
they
you
know
they
don't
have
a
long
way
to
travel
to
dump
and
they
have
several
of
them
scattered
throughout
the
city.
V
Where
we're
kind
of
we
got,
we
got
two,
and
one
of
them
is
a
mechanical
sweeper
that
we
use
a
lot
when
we're
chipping,
and
that
does
a
really
good
job.
But
this
back
is
the
one
we
primarily
use
throughout
the
whole
city,
and
you
know
because
it
gets
in
in
the
curbs
and
sucks,
and
it's
just
it
does
a
better
job.
In.
V
There
we
can,
we
can
suck
if
we
we
didn't,
add
that
we
didn't
add
that
to
this,
because
that
takes
the
dollar
amount
up
you
already
cuz
we've
got,
we've
got
two
of
them
in
the
in
the
sewer
collection,
so
we
really
didn't
feel
we
needed
to
get
the
vacuum
part
when
I
when
I
first
done
the
budget
and
we
had
a
290,000
that
was
with
you
know
all
of
those
extra
bells
and
whistles.
As
we
talk
this
through,
we
just
don't
need
someone.
That's
what's
brought
that.
T
C
V
Other
it's
just
yep,
the
Johnston
in
the
Elgin
are
almost
identical.
They're
using
the
same
cab
and
chassis,
either
used
I
mean,
if
you
as
to
park
them
side
by
side.
You
can
hardly
tell,
and
what
I
like
about
the
Elgin
is.
It
is
us
made
we
can
they,
they
carry
a
lot
of
parts
in
Salt,
Lake
for
and
the
others
will
tell
you
the
same
thing
but
but
we've
we
found
with
the
Johnston
we've
had
to
wait
because
you
know
a
lot
of
they're
coming
from
Josie's.
V
V
C
V
C
V
D
N
N
A
L
T
The
city
owns
that
triangular
piece
of
property,
and
so
that's
why
the
projects
being
done
and
then
going
south
is
private
property
owners
and
so
the
rest
of
that
road
will
develop
as
those
properties
develop.
But
this
this
item
is
just
to
do
the
road
dedication
for
that
short
piece
of
800
West.
What's.
T
They've
been
putting
in
the
sewer
lines
in
the
water
lines
and
then
there's
also
a
yeah
there's
a
property
owner
just
to
the
west.
That's
going
to
be
building
some
buildings
there
I'm
not
sure
if
they
started
on
that
yet
or
not,
but
it's
probably
just
the
contractor
working
on
the
sewer
and
water
right.
A
T
Q
So
this
one
got
tabled
last
week
the
council
requested
some
more
information
we
put
in
the
packets
information
on
building
permits
for
the
second
and
third
quarter
of
this
year
as
compared
to
second
and
third
quarter
of
2016.
We
had
some
information
on
receding
impact
fee
revenue
and
we
had
some
information
on
fund
balances,
although
that
was
hadn't
been
reconciled.
Yet
so
that's
just
a
snapshot.
Please
know
that's
gonna
change.
Q
K
K
It
was
about
$500
for
a
single
family
home
dwelling
that
it
would
cost,
in
addition,
maybe
raise
a
hundred
thousand
a
year
or
something,
and
since
we
do
not
have
any
of
those
projects
in
the
city
plan,
yet
I
would
suggest
that
we
go
ahead
and
leave
it
with
the
15
percent
reduction.
But
we
need
to
next
year
start
talking
about
it
sooner
and
October.
K
R
R
Q
Q
The
options
we've
talked
about
so
far
for
the
wastewater
effluent
have
been
multimillion-dollar
options
and
part
of
the
idea
is
to
do
something
with
that
water.
That's
going
to
be
beneficial
for
all
the
water
users
in
this
hydrologic
faison
and
that
group
of
people
is
comprised
more
than
just
Cedar
City.
So
there's
folks
out
in
the
county
and
there's
folks
in
Enoch
that
share
the
same
water
basin.
Q
So
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
at
some
point
along
the
way
who's
gonna
pay
for
the
project,
and
how
do
we
spread
those
costs
evenly
across
everybody
in
this
water
basin
and
not
just
have
Cedar
City
foot
the
whole
bill
that
gets
a
little
more
complicated,
because
now
we
have
to
start
making
agreements
with
other
entities
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Well,.
J
Q
K
Q
A
A
K
W
W
If
that
makes
sense
and
yeah
and
and
and
and
being
the
way
your
your
distressing
I
think.
Certainly
we
as
a
Association.
We
recommend
the
extension
of
the
Kern
impact
fee
discount,
we're
quite
in
Crete,
quite
concerned
about
the
already
increasing
costs
when
it
comes
to
housing
especially
has
an
increasing
beyond
affordability
levels,
just
a
few
facts
that
might
be
helpful,
average
lot
prices
in
Cedar,
City
or
fifty
thousand
dollars
according
to
Chris
Dale
and
a
local
appraiser,
thirty,
six
thousand
and
Enoch
forty
thousand
and
the
county.
W
That's
a
dramatic
increase
over
even
a
year
ago.
One
of
the
concerns
we
have
is
that
there's
there's
becoming
a
shortage
of
developed
Lots
as
a
lot
of
the
Lots
have
been
purchased
and
they're
being
developed
and
that
shortage
bids
up
the
price
and
we
do
need
to
see
more
development
done
and
we'd
encourage
the
the
city
of
the
council
to
look
at
waste,
maybe
incenting
developers
to
to
go
to
that
expense,
because
it
is
very
expensive
to
to
develop
subdivisions
building
materials.
W
Longer
concrete
plumbing
electrical
supplies
that
considerably
increased
25%
for
lumber,
concrete
products
at
20%
plumbing
is
in
the
same
regard,
and
we
have
a
plumber
here.
The
plumbing
supply
person
here,
whom
you
have
a
economy
on
that
as
well,
so
we're
seeing
a
big
increase
in
materials.
Labor,
of
course,
is
scarce
and
continuing
to
rise.
You
have
to
pay
now
$15
an
hour
just
to
get
an
unskilled
laborer
to
work
on
a
jobsite.
W
Rental
housing
is
hard
to
find
read,
sir,
as
well
increasing
two
levels
on
par
with
mortgage
payments,
House
house
or
incomes.
On
the
other
hand,
don't
support
affordable
for
the
affordable
housing
levels.
These
days,
according
to
Chris
Daly
as
well
a
local
appraiser.
Now
two
thirds
of
the
markets
in
Cedar
City
cannot
afford
housing
at
these
current
prices.
W
Of
course,
we
we
build
a
lot
of
houses
for
people
who
come
here
from
out
of
town,
thankfully,
because
they
bring
not
only
that
demand
for
for
housing,
but
they
also
bring
their
their
retirement
funds
here
and
help
us
grow
our
economy.
But
our
big
concern
is
the
local
residents
and
the,
as
these
prices
continue
to
increase
lower-income
families
are
really
forcing
some
families
to
relocate
and
leave
our
market
as
they
try
to
find
jobs
that
will
that
will
support
the
housing
costs.
W
Our
contractors
have
to
maintain
their
margin
in
order
to
stay
in
business
and,
of
course,
to
cover
their
costs,
and
so
impact
fees
really
are
a
cost.
That's
passed
directly
on
to
the
buyer,
a
cost
that
doesn't
impact
the
the
appraised
value
of
the
of
the
home.
That
makes
it
a
challenge
because
right
now
we're
starting
to
see
appraisals
get
close
to
the
level
where
they
support
the
finance
and
media.
But
that's
still
a
challenge
and
so
we're
concerned
we
want,
we
want
to
see,
we
want
to
see
prices
maintained
at
a
good
level.
W
Bit
of
a
component
I
was
30
years.
The
banking
business
so
I
have
some
experience
there
and
obviously
the
their
financing.
Isn't
there
because
the
numbers
don't
add
up.
You
know
the
the
margins
and
the
profits
available
to
in
the
expenses
that
kind
of
burden
that
that
whole
formula
they
could
hire.
So
the
bankers
too
want
to
step
in
and
and
put
their
money
in
a
project.
It
doesn't
provide
I'm.
K
W
Yeah
right
now,
there's
concerns
about
that
too,
because
we
had
projections
in
the
2008
or
2007
impact
fee
study
that,
obviously,
who
knows
the
future
it's
hard
to
tell
so
so
we
were,
you
know,
we're
concerned
about
impact
fees.
We
want
to
as
well
remind
the
council
that
that
you
know
we
support
things
to
help
with
growth.
We
also
think
that
that
there
are
additional
ways
that
that
girls
can
be
paid
for.
W
Besides
just
assessing
people
who
happen
to
buy
new
homes
because
growth
isn't
always
a
new
home
I
moved
here
in
2006
bought
a
home
that
was
built
in
1982.
I
was
part
of
the
girls,
but
I
haven't
had
to
pay
any
impact
fees.
Someone
who
buys
a
home
of
news
across
town,
because
their
family
is
larger,
they're,
paying
impact
fees
and
it's
kind
of
random.
K
E
W
W
C
W
E
C
C
W
Y
Hello,
my
name
is
Brad
green
I
am
another.
Member
of
my
company
isn't
is
another
member
of
the
Home
Builders
Association
I
also
tear
a
local
citizens
group
advocates
for
a
prosperous
community,
and
you
know
the
impact
fees
is
something
that's
very
interesting
to
both
of
these
groups,
especially
the
Home
Builders
Association.
Y
Y
Having
said
that,
the
comment-
the
the
thing
that
everybody
wants
to
talk
about
on
this
topic
is
extremely
valid:
nothing's,
going
to
stop
the
growth
of
our
economy
as
much
as
running
out
of
water.
We
live
in
a
desert,
it's
just
the
plain
truth
of
how
it
is
and
and
so
that
you
know
that
the
fees,
the
taxes,
the
regulations,
the
permits.
Y
All
of
these
things
do
hamper
the
building
efforts
and
we
should
try,
as
often
as
we
can,
to
rein
those
in
and
make
sure
that
it's
as
efficient
and
as
minimal
as
possible,
because
there's
a
snowball
effect.
You
know
if
we
increase
the
the
impact,
be
500
bucks,
then
housing
goes
up
500
bucks,
especially
new
housing,
whether
it's
you
know,
then
that's
graded
minor,
standing
based
upon
the
size
of
whatever
the
permit
is.
Y
But
that
means
my
employees
need
to
make
a
little
bit
more
money,
which
means
plumbing
supplies
go
up
in
price,
because
my
margins
aren't
thick
enough.
That
I
can
absorb
the
new
wages
from
my
employees
and
then,
when
plumbing
prices
go
up,
housing
prices
go
up
and
when
housing
prices
go
up,
everybody's
cost
of
doing
business
goes
up,
because
now
their
employees
all
need
more
money,
and
so
it
creates
kind
of
this
self-propagating
problem.
Y
Every
little
teeny
adjustment
becomes
an
exponential
problem,
and
so
we
should
be
very.
Very
careful.
I
was
listening
to
the
debate
last
night
and
I
heard
Ron
Adams
say
that
he
had
advocated
originally
for
this
reduction.
This
15%
discount
in
the
impact
fees
I
didn't
know
that
I
was
very
pleased
to
hear
that.
Y
Thank
you,
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
thing,
I
think
it's
good
for
our
economy
and
and
it
it
has
exponential
effect
in
our
favor
when
we
do
that
it
allows
the
economy
to
grow,
which
probably
allows
for
taxes
to
increase
as
well
and
is
probably
very
revenue
positive
for
the
city,
and
it
would
be
very
revenue
negative
for
the
city.
Metro
economically
were
to
go
back
up,
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
extending
it
maybe
a
year,
maybe
longer
maybe
permanently,
let's
find
out
yeah.
Y
100%
agree
about
the
subdivision
incentives.
I
thought
it
was
very
interesting.
I've
really
badly
wanted
to
get
up
because
Fred
was
egging
the
audience
on
to
get
up
and
talk
about
all
these.
These
major
planning
changes
and
you
don't
have
a
hard
time
keeping
my
mouth
shut.
You
guys
are
aware.
I
have
an
opinion
about
everything,
I'm,
not
always
right,
usually,
and
the
subdivision
thing.
Y
Thank
you
that
was
a
joke
kind
of.
So
the
subdivision
thing
is
interesting.
You
know,
as
far
as
incentives
go
people
think.
What
are
you
gonna?
Give
him
a
tax
break?
Are
you
gonna?
Let
them
skirt
by
without
permits.
Without
you
know,
fees,
I
used
to
be
a
developer,
know.
I,
wasn't
big
time
like
some
of
these
other
guys,
I
was
I
was
an
amateur
developer,
but
I
gained
some
experience.
Y
I
learned
that
there's
a
lot
of
costs
that
it
takes
besides
breaking
ground
and
putting
in
under
ground
and
maybe
even
curb
and
gutter
the
the
the
burden,
regulatorily
regulatory
burden,
as
well
as
fees
and
permits
all
increase,
the
cost
of
building
subdivisions,
getting
approval
for
zoning
and
all
the
time
that
it
takes
for
an
employee
to
lobby
for
his
own
change
increases
the
cost
of
making
subdivisions.
If
there's
any
way
that
you
guys
can
think
of,
that
makes
it
easier,
maybe
not
even
less
expensive
in
fees
and
revenue.
Y
If
you
can
just
make
it
easier
somehow,
for
these
people
trying
to
make
subdivisions
to
actually
do
it,
they'll
respond
they'll,
respond
quickly,
because
it's
to
them,
it's
all
expense,
whether
it's
their
employee
time,
whether
it's
their
own
time,
whether
it's
the
uncertainty
of.
What's
the
City
Council
going
to
decide
all
of
those
things
add
to
the
cost
of
building
a
subdivision
and-
and
you
guys
have
the
power
to
make
that
easier
on
them
without
making
the
rest
of
the
taxpayers
subsidize
a
developer,
which
is
definitely
wrong.
Y
I'm,
the
guy
that
sells
the
pipes
so
I'm
biased
on
this
topic
a
little
bit,
because
I
would
love
to
sell
lots
of
water
projects
to
anybody
that
would
be
happy
to
pay
for
one
in
our
community
if
the
numbers
are
to
be
trusted
that
were
that
were
quoted
by
multiple
people
at
the
debate
last
night,
over
80%
of
the
water
usage
in
our
valley
is
done
by
agricultural
and
that's
cool
I
mean
I,
love
agriculture,
I
love
to
eat,
I,
love
that
my
horses
have
hey.
These
are
good
things.
Y
They
need
an
incentive
to
be
more
efficient.
Just
like
I
have
an
incentive
to
be
efficient.
The
Water
Conservancy
District
limits
my
water,
where
I
live,
I
pay
a
little
bit
more
if
I
go
over
a
specified,
randomly
selected,
arbitrary
limits
and
it
creates
an
incentive
for
me
to
filter
the
water
in
my
swimming
pool
instead
of
draining
it
and
starting
over,
the
incentive
does
not
appear
to
be
there
and
if
it
is,
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
very
strong
for
these
agricultural
water
users.
Y
Their
water
rights
are
a
right,
it's
a
property
rights
issue
and
they
use
it.
But
if
we
could
put
a
monetary
value
on
that
water
for
them,
somehow
maybe
they
could
do
with
20
percent
less
water,
and
they
could
take
some
money
from
the
marketplace
by
allowing
that
water
back
into
the
pool
of
water
used
by
everybody
else,
because
they
got
something
out
of
it
that
allowed
them
to
better
their
operation
elsewhere.
Is
that
raising
water
prices?
Y
If
anybody
knows
them,
we
haven't
purchased
water
from
Beaver
sure,
but
we've
been
talking
about
what
at
the
west
desert
project
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
Waters
water
I
mean,
let's
be
sure
good
good
point.
Thank
you
in
fact,
there's
a
dispute
whether
or
not
that
they
should
have
had
rights
to
it
right.
Isn't
there
some
kind
of
an
argument
there?
Well.
Are
you.
S
K
Y
County
I
sell
pivot
sprinklers
and
they
don't
water
all
day
and
all
night
they
water
when
it's
most
efficient
and
the
pivots
are
expensive.
But
if
that
water
had
value
which
it
obviously
does
to
us
as
a
community,
that
water
is
valuable
to
us.
If
that
water
could
be
valued
by
the
farmers
in
a
way
that
they
could
sell
it
to
make
their
life
better,
they
would
and
then
they
would
use
that
money
and
make
it
more
efficient.
J
X
Z
J
Ag
users,
we
talked
to
Center
victors
and
represented
West.
Would've
got
some
options
in
the
legislature
to
help
incentivize
farmers.
One
incentive
they
have
is
one
of
their
biggest
cost
is
pumping
costs.
The
electricity
cost
the
pump
the
group
water
out
of
the
ground.
So
if
they
conserve
30%,
that's
not
a
natural
benefit
to
them,
and
so
you
know,
we've
talked
about.
The
state
has
really
created
this
problem.
Right
I
mean
they've
all
Alec
over
allocated
our
basin.
So
it's
that's.
It's
there.
J
It's
it's
our
problem,
yes,
but
it's
their
problem
too,
because
they
created
the
problem,
and
so
we
believe
we've
talked
to
our
legislators
about
maybe
having
the
state
kick
in
some
kind
of
incentive
for
them
to
conserve,
to
go
to
a
bubbler
versus
us
pray,
so
they
can,
if
they,
if
they
save
30
percent,
it
balances
Auk
for
right
now,
it's
we're
7,000
acre
feet
short
and
if
they
can
conserve
30
percent,
it's
it's
it's
for
right
now,
not
counting
grass.
Here,
just
it's
big!
We.
Z
I've
listened
patiently
Doug
Hall
I'd
like
to
give
you
a
little
different
view
on
impact
fees.
Let's
go
back
to
some
of
the
comments
made
by
the
homeowners
association
back
when
there
was
no
impact
fees.
Well,
the
question
then
becomes.
Why
do
we
now
have
impact
fees
back
before
we
had
impact
fees
when
a
city
or
any
entity
grew
people
coming
in
from
like
California
and
Nevada
that
we're
growing
that
no
matter
who
pays
for
it
there's
a
certain
amount
of
infrastructure
that
has
to
be
built
to
support
that
new
growth.
Z
The
question
then
becomes:
where
does
the
money
come
from
to
do
that?
All
right?
The
Legislature
passed
impact
fees
to
put
some
of
that
burden
on
the
new
growth
people
that
were
coming
in
that
were
causing
those
costs
to
rise.
When
this
City
Council
chooses
to
cut
back
what
has
been
a
studied
impact
fee.
In
essence,
what
you're
doing
is
you're
putting
a
tax
on
me
as
a
private
homeowner,
because
the
cost
is
still
going
to
be
the
same
to
the
city.
The
only
thing
the
only
question
is:
is
who's
going
to
pay
that
cost.
Z
So
when
you
modify
impact
fees
over
and
above
what
has
been
justified
by
the
study,
you
are
in
essence,
moving
those
costs
to
every
homeowner
and
taxpayer
in
that
taxing
entity.
So
it's
it's
not
a
free
road.
When
you
cut
back
impact
fees,
the
only
question
becomes,
as
was
it
a
fairly
judge
pack
fee
to
start
with.
So
that's
where
you
really
need
to
make
the
question
is:
when
the
city
does
an
impact
fee
study?
Was
it
done
properly?
Z
Was
it
done
according
to
the
state
law
requirements
as
far
as
what
was
supposed
to
be
considered,
and
the
bottom
line
is
if
that
impact
fee
was
done
according
to
that
study
properly,
then,
if
you
modify
that
fee
at
all,
you
are
shifting
the
burden
of
that
tax
to
all
the
homeowners
in
that
city.
Okay,.
J
Z
Z
L
Z
No
pun
intended,
but
but
the
body
the
the
bottom
line
is
impact
fees
are
there
for
a
reason
so
that,
if
I'm
at,
if
I'm
a
taxpayer-
and
we
have
no
growth
in
this
city-
all
right,
then
the
city
doesn't
have
to
put
in
any
new
Wells.
They
don't
have
to
get
new
firemen
new
policemen
build
new
roads,
any
of
that
stuff
that
goes
with
growth,
so
everything
is
O&M
and
I.
Don't
have
any
additional
tax
burden,
as
people
move
in
and
those
costs
are
then
seen
for
a
row.
Policemen,
fire
water
sewer.
J
I
guess,
as
a
member
of
the
Home
Builders
Association
Home
Builders
have
never
been.
They
don't
want
to
eliminate
impact
fees
total,
but
they're.
They
want
a
fair
impact
fee
and
that's
where
that's
where
the
Home
Builders
felt
good
time,
Louis's
doubled
overnight
was
it
felt
that
was
not
fair
and
and
that's
when
Ron
and
others
and
was.
L
Z
Wasn't
that
my
point
I
said
if
the
study
was
done
properly,
all
right
and
all
the
study
items
were
used
to
determine
that.
Then,
if
you
make
any
change
to
that
fee,
you
are
shifting
the
burden
of
that
tax
to
every
taxpayer.
It's
as
simple
as
that,
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
think
you
know
was
a
real
mistake.
Last
time
we
made
impact
fee
changes
was
number
one.
It
took
us
forever
to
do
it.
C
AA
My
name
is
Kelly
Newville
I,
wear
many
hats
in
Cedar,
my
first
and
most
important
hat
is
I'm
a
lifetime
resident
of
Cedar
and
I
love
cedar
very
much
I,
also
Mona
Broker
of
Black
Diamond,
real
estate
and
Cedar
City
property
management,
and
those
are
members
of
both
iron
County
Board
of
Realtors
and
their
iron
County
home
builders
association.
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
grateful
that
we
had
a
little
bit
of
reprieve
during
that
difficult
market
that
we
all
experienced.
I.
AA
Just
even
trying
to
put
numbers
together
right
now,
as
Searle
was
saying,
is
very
difficult.
You
know,
especially
for
the
affordable
housing
as
we're
going
through
this
growth
period,
as
we
are
able
to
plan
for
the
you
know,
the
affordable,
housing
and,
and
our
own
locals
is,
is
my
concern.
I
I
I'm,
even
willing
to
be
on
a
committee
I
have
a
passion
for
city,
Cedar
City,
but
the
study
in
order
to
know
where
the
impact
fees
isn't
done.
AA
You
know
it
was
done,
and
then
we
had
all
these
changes
and
and
to
to
change.
It
again
needs
to
be
based
on
information
that
I'm
grateful
that
we're
talking
about
you
know
doing
this
study
again
find
out
where
the
proper
impact
fee
is,
in
the
meantime,
it'll
give
us
that
we're
just
barely
getting
back
on
our
feet
again,
if
you
guys
recall
we're
a
year
year
and
a
half
back
into
a
market
that
is
somewhat
profitable
for
for
the
sellers
on
and
for
the
builders
to
build
again
getting
the
numbers
to
even
barely
come.
AA
In
again,
we've
seen
these
huge
hikes
in
prices
just
cents
of
all
the
major
catastrophes
in
our
world.
So
you
know
what
how
is
that
can
affect
us
in
little
Cedar
City
in
order
to
to
be
able
to
get
our
balance,
we
all
want
that
balance.
A
win-win
for
everybody
is
a
win
for
everybody
and
and
I
still
think.
We
need
to
strive
to
get
the
information
and
know
there
is
that
number
where
we
should
be
and
again
water.
AA
The
way
that
we
deal
with
it
is
a
big
part
of
it
and
so,
which
is
affecting
this
impact
fee
discussion.
So
I
I'm
I'm
very
grateful
for
our
community.
If
we're
able
to
extend
this
even
for
the
year
to
get
more
information,
give
us
another
year
of
healing
and
building
to
establish
those
those
particular
strengths
in
our
community.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
X
X
X
X
So
did
I
pay
their
impact
fee
should
I
have
been
able
to
tell
them.
Look
your
your
new
move
in.
We
have
an
impact
fee
concept
here
in
town.
You
need
to
pay
me
$8,000
more
for
my
house
to
compensate
me
for
the
impact
feed
that
I'm
paying
for
you.
Does
that
make
sense
if
we
really
want
new
growth
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
growth,
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
we
put
together
a
Welcome,
Wagon
committee
and
when
a
new
person
moves
to
town
we
go
to
their
house.
X
X
Q
Q
X
Yes,
but
now
it's
let's
go
back
to
that
that
new
homebuyer.
So
now
we
have
a
subdivision.
We
have
lots,
there's
nothing
on
the
lawn,
so
we're
gonna
build
a
house
when
we
build
that
house.
What
do
we
pay?
We
pay
a
building
permit
fee,
we
pay
connection
fees,
correct
connection
fees
for
water
connection
fee
for
sewer,
and
what
does
the
property
tax
value
go
on
that
piece
of
property?
X
Now
it
goes
triple
quadruple
what
it
was
as
a
piece
of
dirt,
so
now,
every
single
year,
that
homeowner
is
paying
higher
property
tax,
to
pay
for
infrastructure,
cost
to
the
city,
etc,
etc.
And
if
we
look
at
something
like
water,
what
does
that
homeowner
do?
Also?
They
have
a
water
bill
every
month
they
have
a
sewer
bill
every
month
they
have
costs
every
month
that
they
pay
that
if
that
was
a
piece
of
dirt
sitting,
there
would
not
be
paid.
So
the
this
impact
feet
concept
is
not
a
simple
concept.
X
It
simply
is
not
simple
and
we're
laying
the
entire
burden
of
that
basically
on
to
who
one
industry-
and
this
is
an
industry
that
is
a
significant
economic
driver
in
our
economy-
significant
economic
driver,
so
we
talked
about
when,
when
rainbow
sign,
built
their
new
place
and
they
had
talked
about.
Well,
maybe
we
should
leave
Cedar
City
right
and
are
we
happy
that
they
did
what
they
did?
Are
we
happy
with
the
building
they
bought
and
the
renovation
that
they
did
and
their
decision
to
stay
here
in
Cedar
City?
X
And
how
much
did
we
charge
them
on
impact
fees,
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars,
so
I
just
want
to
stress
the
point
this
this
whole
impact
fee
concept
is
not
a
slam.
Dunk
simple
concept,
Doug
made
some
good
points
that
are
valid,
but
this
is
not
just
a
matter
of
dangit
the
new
movie
and
should
pay
the
cost
of
of
coming
into
town,
because
it
simply
is
not
that
easy
to
look
at
I'm
still
ticked
off.