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2022/09/20 Township of Central Frontenac Special Council meeting
A
A
Approved
as
presented
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
carried,
Phillip
Smith
won't
be
with
us
tonight.
He
is
sick
and
I'm,
not
sure
where
Sherry
is
and
Cindy
is
trying
to
get
in
virtually
so
this
is
this.
Is
us
okay?
Is
there
any
disclosure
pecuniary
interest,
in
general
nature
thereof
by
any
member
of
council
tonight
on
any
item
on
the
agenda?
A
Seeing
none
we'll
note
that
in
the
minutes
mayor's
remark
I'm
going
to
put
those
remarks
down
after
the
communal
services
and
before
the
Matthew
Street
presentation,
I'll
be
making
some
remarks
then.
So
we
will
welcome
to
the
table
Joe
and
Sonia
from
the
county
and
on
our
virtual
screen.
We
have
Yuko
and
Phil
tibble
from
Photon
and
pension
engineering
and
they're
going
to
be
working
with
us
with
the
feasibility
study
for
communal
services
so
Joe.
How
do
you
propose
doing
this
Sonia's
starting.
C
C
Table
it's
okay.
We
won't
move
it
any
further:
okay,
great
foreign,
okay.
So
if
we
could
just
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
just
just
a
little
bit
of
background
about
how
we
got
here.
So
obviously,
as
you
know,
in
2017
you
purchased
the
former
public
school
site
here
in
the
village
of
Charlotte
Lake.
The
school
has
since
been
demolished,
and
the
plan
was
to
build
a
seniors
apartment
units
and
using
the
existing
private
well
and
septic.
C
And
so
we
looked
at
that
time
and
spoke
with
Township
staff
at
what
could
we
do
with
the
former
School
site
property
if
we
redeveloped
it
using
communal
Services,
because
that
would
mean
there's
the
potential
for
greater
density
or
more
units
on
the
site,
as
well
as
the
opportunity
potentially
to
do
some
mixed
uses.
There
was
also
some
discussions
about
giving
consideration
to
extending
communal
services
to
soldiers,
Memorial
Hall
here,
to
be
able
to
provide
water
and
sewage
services
to
this
public
facility.
Next
slide.
Please
again.
C
This
is
just
as
a
bit
of
a
backgrounder
for
for
people
here
and
online
there's
the
communal
work
that
has
been
done
for
for
the
sorry,
the
communal,
Services
work
that
has
been
done
is
county-wide,
so
that
includes
the
townships
of
North,
Central
and
South
Frontenac,
as
well
as
Frontenac
Island.
So
we've
been
looking
at
how
this
could
potentially
be
implemented
throughout
the
county.
Next
slide,
please.
C
So
communal
Services
offers
a
more
water,
sensitive
and
sustainable
design
option
you're
not
going
and
punching
into
the
aquifer
multiple
times
to
do
multiple
Wells
you're,
doing
one
larger
communal,
well
and
sewage
treatment
system
that
could
service
an
entire
development
or
neighborhood.
It
also
starts
to
offer
you
the
option
to
do
a
wider
range
of
housing
choices
and
options
when
you
do
a
private
well
in
a
septic
99
times
out
of
100
you're,
probably
doing
just
a
single
detached
house.
C
Many
people
at
many
stages
of
their
life,
though,
need
something
other
than
a
single
detached
house
and
having
communal
services
and
being
able
to
do
development.
That's
a
little
bit
more
dense
allows
different
housing
options
that
could
be
Town
Homes.
It
could
be
small,
walk-up
Apartments,
but
it
off.
It
opens
up
a
range
of
housing
opportunities
that
aren't
available
on
a
private,
well
and
septic
system.
C
It
also
supports
more
complete
communities.
So
if
you
can
do
something
like
this
within
a
village
setting
as
well
you're
extending
the
opportunity
for
new
businesses
and
you're
also
increasing
the
residential
density,
so
you're
increasing
the
number
of
people
who
live
in
your
Villages,
who
then
in
turn,
use
the
services
and
the
businesses
who
are
in
your
Villages,
and
it
also
increases
the
confidence,
the
confidence
and
the
certainty
in
terms
of
the
water
and
sewage
services.
C
So
you're,
not
relying
on
a
private
individual
people
keeping
up
and
maintaining
this
a
communal
system,
particularly
under
the
model
that
the
county
is
looking
at,
where
you
would
have
a
municipal,
Service
Corporation,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
monitored
by
what
would
be
a
public
utility.
So
there
would
be
that
regular
monitoring
and
testing
and
upgrading
when
needed
by
by
you
know,
licensed
licensed
engineers.
C
So
this
is
the.
This
is
just
a
copy
of
the
community
services
document
and
the
link
to
the
engage
front,
Knack
page,
which
includes
all
the
information
that
has
been
done
on
communal
services
in
the
past
and
that's
where
I
would
suggest
that
people
go
for
more
information.
I
won't
belabor
that
here
next
slide,
please
so
again
in
terms
of
our
Villages
and
our
hamlets
right
now,
throughout
the
county,
we
have
no
Municipal,
Water
or
sewer
Services,
save
and
accept
the
public
water
supply
in
the
village
of
Sydney
and
South
Frontenac.
C
These
are
you
know,
historical
settlement
areas.
The
building
Lots
in
the
village
cores
are
often
very
small,
trying
to
do
a
Municipal,
Water
sewerage.
Treatment
Plant
is
a
significant
public
infrastructure
investment
and
it
is
unlikely
at
all
that
that
any
of
our
townships
are
going
to
be
able
to
put
that
kind
of
infrastructure
in
place,
but
our
Villages
and
our
hamlets
are
where
the
majority
of
our
commercial
assessment
is
and
where
we
want
to
promote
growth
of
businesses
and,
ideally
for
for
people
to
live
next
slide.
C
Please-
and
this
is
just
a
quote
from
the
County's
official
plan,
where
it
was
noted
that
the
lack
of
Municipal
services
in
our
Villages
challenges
our
future
Community
viability.
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
also
I,
we,
we
went
through
the
Federation
of
Canadian
municipalities
through
their
green
Municipal
fund
and
so
50
of
the
cost
of
the
engineering
study
that
you'll
be
hearing
about
was
covered.
It
was
covered
through
that
fund,
so
we
were
quite
fortunate
to
receive
that
that
funding
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
now.
C
D
Thank
you
and
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
Yuka
LeClaire
I
am
a
planner
with
foten
I'm
joined
this
afternoon
by
Holly
newett
and
I'll
be
turning
it
over
to
Phil
tibble
shortly
at
pinch
it
so,
as
Sonja
said,
I'll
just
be
speaking
a
little
bit
about
the
the
concept
development,
the
concept
plan
that
was
examined
as
part
of
this
feasibility
study
next
slide,
please
so
the
site
that
we're
looking
at
is,
of
course,
a
site
that
was
acquired
by
the
township.
D
D
So
there's
policies
in
there
that
support
that
that
approach
to
support
economic
development
in
the
village
that
support
improvements
to
the
infrastructure,
that's
in
place,
as
well
as
to
the
streetscapes
next
slide.
Please
looking
a
little
bit
more
closely
at
the
site.
As
Sonia
noted,
this
is
a
school.
Previously,
it's
currently
vacant
the
school
building
was
removed.
It's
largely
vacant
I
should
clarify.
There
is,
of
course,
the
pickleball
court,
that's
still
located
along
the
west
side
of
the
site
and
some
public
parking
along
the
frontage
on
Garrett
Street.
D
The
property
itself
is
quite
large.
It
is
two
acres,
an
area.
It's
got:
lots
of
usable
Frontage
along
Garrett
Street,
a
little
bit
of
usable
Frontage
on
County
Road
38,
but
much
of
that
is
constrained
by
the
Topography
of
the
site
and
then
there's
there's
Frontage
on
Robert
Street,
but
that
is
also
very,
very
much
constrained
by
the
topography
along
that
road.
Frontage.
D
So
looking
at
the
development
options,
I
I
should
I
should
note
that
the
exercise
of
this
study
was
to
look
at
the
feasibility
of
of
community
servicing
this
land
and
to
examine
you
know
what
could
be
achieved
by
communal
through
communal
servicing
in
order
to
really
pursue
that
we
needed
to
have
we
needed
to
have
some
scenarios
to
develop.
So
the
two
scenarios
that
I'm
going
to
speak
to
over
the
next
few
minutes
are
really
in
support
of
that
examining
what
could
be
achieved
on
these
lands
from
a
density
from
a
land
use
perspective.
D
But
this
is
not
to
suggest
that
this
is
a
particular
development
proposal
being
brought
forward.
This
is
really
intended
to
provide
an
idea
of
what
could
be
achieved,
sort
of
a
vision
for
the
potential
for
this
site.
So
with
that
I'll
speak
to
the
first
option.
That's
on
the
slide
here.
This
is
a
scenario
with
one
building
a
45
unit,
building
that's
sort
of
the
L-shaped
building
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
site
it's
outlined
in
Blue.
D
That
would
be
a
three-story
building,
a
total
of
45
units,
as
I
said
just
to
the
right
of
that
is
a
smaller
building.
That's
labeled
on
here
as
an
accessory
building
that
would
be
sort
of
one
or
two
stories.
The
footprint
that's
shown
is
pretty
typical
of
what
a
single
attached
house
might
look
like
and
how
much
space
that
might
need,
and
that's
that
building
is
where
the
communal
Services
infrastructure,
the
treatment
it
would
be,
would
be
housed
the
technology.
D
That's
that
was
explored
as
part
of
the
study
would
fit
within
that
building.
So
it
has
a
very
small
footprint
on
the
site.
It
allows,
for
example,
the
southeast
corner
of
the
property
to
remain
largely
vegetated,
there's
plenty
of
room
on
the
site
to
accommodate
parking
and
access
between
Road
38
and
Garrett
Street,
and
in
this
particular
scenario,
We
examined
the
possibility,
in
particular,
of
keeping
that
existing
community
resource
those
pickleball
courts
that
are
well
used
on
the
property
along
the
left-hand
side
of
the
screen.
D
So
that's
what
this
scenario
is
showing
here
next
slide.
Please.
We
also
did
some
some
renderings
to
show
what
what
that
nastin
could
look
like.
There's
the
policies
in
the
official
plan
speak
to
improving
the
streetscapes
and
maintaining
the
character
of
The
Village.
This
is
a
site
that
has
historically
had
a
larger
building
on
it.
The
school,
of
course,
so
replacing
building
a
new,
larger
footprint
building
on
the
site
is,
is
consistent
with
the
historical
usage
on
the
property.
D
There's
there's
policies
that
speak
to
maintaining
a
streetscape,
so
it's
important
from
a
design
perspective
for
anything
to
be
that's
shown
on
the
site
to
have
a
relationship
with
with
at
least
Garrett
Street,
but
ideally
with
Road
38
as
well.
Robert
Street
is
much
more
challenging,
but
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
flat
spot
at
the
at
the
right
hand,
side
there,
which
would
would
fit
quite
nicely
with
the
sort
of
the
utility
building
that
we've
envisioned
and
again
this.
D
This
rendering
is
to
show
the
potential
the
possibility
that
what
could
be
achieved
here.
It's
not
intended
to
to
Prejudice
the
development
of
the
site.
To
this
specific
scenario
or
this
specific
configuration
exactly
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
go
into
what
an
actual
building
on
the
property
is
going
to
look
like
in
future
or
what
it
would.
Look
like.
I'll
note
as
well
that
the
the
scenario
that
we
looked
at
well
I'm
using
the
term
units,
so
we
contemplated
45
two-bedroom
residential
units.
D
D
We
also
looked
at
a
more
a
more
intensive
scenario,
so
this
in
this
option
here
we're
showing
two
buildings
that
are
sort
of
the
principal
buildings
and
and
there's
an
ultimately
a
higher
unit.
Count
in
this
scenario.
So,
on
the
right
hand,
side,
the
L-shaped
building
is
very
similar
to
the
one
on
the
previous
slide,
but
it's
not
quite
as
deep,
so
it
has
greater
separation
between
both
Garrett
and
Road
38.
That
would
be
say
a
35-ish
unit.
D
Building
on
the
left
hand,
side
where
the
pickleball
courts
currently
are
we're
showing
a
a
15
unit.
Building
both
of
these
would
still
be
three
stories
in
height
and,
as
with
the
previous
scenario,
we've
got
an
Excel
that
utility
building
on
the
top
right
we've
got
lots
of
open
space
lots
of
green
space
on
the
site,
because
the
the
main
building
on
the
right
is
a
little
bit
smaller
in
terms
of
footprint,
there's
even
more
amenity
space
serving
that
particular
building
outdoor
space.
That
would
be
available
next
slide.
E
D
D
F
Now
this
is,
is
very
applicable
and
very
appropriate
for
a
single
dwelling
single
dwelling
homes,
but
it
becomes
a
bit
of
complication
as
you
try
to
scale
that
up.
For,
for
example,
you
know
the
individual
leaching
beds,
they're
very
simple,
to
install
they're,
very
low
operating
costs,
but
what
what
you
put
down
the
the
the
sink
or
the
toilet
at
home?
That's
what
goes
into
the
ground
and
eventually
could
possibly
Reach
the
the
water
table,
the
aquifer
and
and
discharge
the
lake.
F
F
So
it's
not
a
trivial
trivial
amount
at
all,
but
that's
for
50
units
compare
that
to
at
home,
where
your
well
kicks
in
for
a
few
moments,
a
few
minutes
at
a
time
to
to
refill
the
pressure
tank
and
system
during
normal
usage.
So
there
would
be
concern
with
that
as
a
potential
supply
for
the
proposed
or
feasibility
studies.
Scale
development.
F
Similarly
leaching
beds,
they
become
extremely
large
once
multiple
units
are
are
contemplated.
In
fact,
we're
working
out
the
size
of
the
beds
that
would
be
required
to
support
such
a
development,
as
looked
at
in
this
study,
would
would
use
up
the
majority
of
the
site,
so
that
wasn't
really
a
practical
sense.
Also,
since
again,
that
would
be
a
lot
of
discharge
water
with
going
into
the
ground
and
ultimately,
potentially
impacting
the
wells,
which
would
be
located
nearby
from
all
the
existing
users.
F
Next
slide,
please
so
in
communal
systems.
It
gives
a
lot
of
advantages
because
they
the
water
supply
system.
Let's
talk
about
the
potable
Supply
first,
it's
it's
highly
regulated
by
the
ministry,
the
the
treatment
type,
the
treatment
options,
the
the
the
parameters
of
Interest,
there's,
there's
regular
sampling
and
annual
reporting
requirements.
F
So
it's
it's
highly
regulated
and
the
technology
gives
a
great
deal
of
control
over
the
the
quality
of
the
water,
for
both
consistency
and
to
meet
criteria
of
some
of
some
of
those
listening
may
have
wells
at
home,
which
are
particularly
hard
or
have
sulfur
or
other
concerns
that
can
all
be
addressed.
Quite
quite
straightforward
in
the
treatment
system.
F
F
There's
there's,
obviously
no
interference
with
existing
Wells.
If
the
The
Source
water
is
taken
from
a
surface
water
body
like
the
lake,
as
mentioned
before,
I
I
would
have
concerns
that
a
well
supplying
this
density
of
development
may
cause
interference,
but
it
could
be
something
that's
investigated
or
a
well
on
site
would
also
be
a
good
emergency
backup.
If
there's
other
you
know,
the
system
has
to
go
down
for
treatment,
fixes.
F
F
So
the
it's
like
a
little
mini
a
miniature
version
of
a
municipal
Supply,
where
it's
highly
regulated
and
tightly
controlled.
Next
slide.
Please,
as
I
as
I
spoke
on
earlier,
that
the
the
size
of
a
of
a
of
a
infiltration
bed
to
accept
the
waste
water
is
precluded
really
from
this
type
of
development,
because
they'd
be
so
large,
they'd,
be
very
complex
and
more
challenging
to
maintain
and
and
costly
to
install.
F
F
F
So
it's
another
concern
to
to
evaluate
the
potential
discharge
to
the
the
East
Basin
is,
is
more
feasible
in
terms
of
probably
moving
forward,
but
again,
as
as
described
by
oh
there
be
a
a
series
of
studies
and
discharge
limit
determinations
and
such
to
happen
for
that
next
slide.
Please
I
think
it's.
This
is
this
me.
You.
D
At
all,
thank
you
very
much
Phil,
so
just
to
sort
of
wrap
up
here
this
this
feasibility
study,
it's
not
quite
step
one
in
the
process.
Obviously,
the
township
has
already
acquired
the
land
and
there's
been
a
great
deal
of
legwork,
that's
been
done
by
the
county
and
the
Township
in
regards
to
communal
servicing,
including
the
study,
but
there's
there
are
quite
a
few
steps
that
need
to
happen
moving
forward
from
the
from
here.
D
We
also
recommend
that
there
be
further
analysis
of
portable
water
on
the
site.
Phil
mentioned
a
little
bit
that
mentioned
that
a
little
bit
in
his
discussion
that
the
while
the
well
capacity,
the
well
water
capacity
on
the
site
is,
is
likely
to
be
insufficient
for
the
scale
of
this
development.
There
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
more
investigation
to
truly
rule
that
option
out
or
to
examine
the
ability
for
sort
of
a
backup
water
supply.
D
Should
that
be
necessary,
this
exercise
would
require
the
the
implementation
of
a
communal,
servicing
program
and
and
Redevelopment
of
the
site
would
require
a
source
water
protection
plan,
which
is
a
fairly
onerous
exercise,
planning,
act,
process
and
approvals
for
to
establish
land
use
and
the
range
of
land
uses
and
performance
standards.
There,
Ministry
of
environment,
Environmental
clients,
approvals
and,
of
course,
the
the
ownership
and
financial
model
for
this
further
environmental
assessments
may
be
required,
so
there's
a
lot
of
technical
work
that
needs
to
be
done
to
really
work
out.
D
The
details
of
this,
as
well
as
to
is
to
firm
up
the
actual
vision
for
the
development
of
the
site,
but
what
this
feasibility
study
shows
is
that
it's
worthwhile
to
continue
this
exercise
and
to
keep
exploring
the
options
for
for
this
particular
site
next
slide,
please,
and
with
that
I
I.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
and
I
would
maybe
turn
it
over
to
Sonia
for
some
concluding
remarks.
On
our
end.
C
Great,
thank
you
very
much
yuku.
Yes
through
you,
madam
mayor
I,
guess
at
this
point
we
would
just
explain
that
the
staff
recommendation
that
is
in
front
of
council
tonight,
isn't
about
approving
a
development
for
the
site.
It's
it's
really
twofold.
The
first
is
answering
the
question
is:
did
this
feasibility
study
do
what
we
wanted
it
to
do,
which
is?
Did
it
prove
that,
yes,
with
communal,
you
could
do
more
than
10
units
on
this
site
and
and
so
in?
C
We
need
to
kind
of
take
both
those
pieces
of
work
now
and
have
have
a
more
fulsome
conversation
with
folks
in
the
community.
About
that
and
again,
the
ownership
and
financial
model
I
mean.
Is
this
something
the
township
is
going
to
continue
to
own
into
the
foreseeable
future?
Are
you
going
to
take
it
to
a
certain
point
and
sell
it
off
completely?
Would
you
maintain
partial
ownership?
A
G
Name
is
Chris,
bear
I'm
from
Shibley
Road
and
I
draw
my
water,
my
drinking
water
from
Holly
Bay.
So
my
concern
really
is
about
the
discharge
of
the
treated
Wastewater
going
into
the
bay
or
into
the
lake.
So
my
question
is,
as
I
recall
it
in
one
of
your
reports
in
one
of
your
attachments
of
the
treatment
of
Wastewater.
They
indicate
that
you
can
use
or
reuse
the
treated
waste
water
after
it
goes
through
your
system.
So
my
question
is:
can
you
reuse
your
treated
Wastewater
on
site.
F
Yeah,
that's
that's
a
great
question.
Thank
you.
Very
much.
Yeah
treated
water
could
be
definitely
reused.
I
would
term
that
as
gray,
water
could
be
reused
for
flushing,
toilets
or
potentially
for
irrigation
on
the
site
and
ground
upkeep.
That
would
reduce
the
total
amount
of
water
that,
especially
within
you
know,
gray.
Water
reuse
would
reduce
the
total
amount
of
water
ultimately
heading
towards
the
receiver
body.
F
F
Well,
yeah,
he
pumped
a
different
sort
of
approach
for
sure,
but
just
again
thinking
out
loud
if
we're
putting
trenchings
and
pipe
systems
in
through
the
to
to
reach
the
water
body
having
a
closed
loop
for
heat
pump
would
also
be,
could
be
a
good
consideration,
reducing
you
know
any
electrical
or
other
sort
of
costs
for
air
conditioning
or
heating.
So
that's
a
really
great
a
great
thought.
Thank
you.
G
Okay,
also
considering
the
condition
of
our
Lake
water
right
now.
Why
would
you
not
use
the
same
Trench
going
from
the
Upper
Lake
and
treat
the
water
to
a
quality
that
you
said
is
even
better
than
the
source
water
and
then
discharge
that
better
quality
water
into
the
upper
basin?
You'd
save
the
trenching
cost
of
going
down
to
the
lower
basin,
and
everybody
will
be
happy
with
a
better
quality
of
water.
Going
back
into
the
lake
than
what's
coming
out.
F
Yeah
also
a
great
point
I
see
I
can
see
that
you've
put
some
good
thought
into
this.
The
the
the
trenching
is
a
very
costly
item
for
sure,
so
minimizing
the
trenching
would
be
a
huge
benefit.
The
the
discharging
to
the
upper
the
West
Basin,
which
is
a
lake
at
capacity,
may
have
some
other,
like
policy
type
hurdles
to
get
through
that
I
can't
really
address,
because
I
believe
development
is
precluded
from
that
area.
G
H
Thank
you
through
you,
marinel
thanks
for
the
question,
so
this
is
one
of
the
differences.
What
we're
trying
to
do
in
front
Act
is:
we
are
on
the
verge
of
setting
up
a
public
utility
that
will
manage
all
of
these
systems
going
forward.
That
means
it'll
be
consistent
inspections
of
the
systems.
The
utility
will
be
even
able
to
decide.
Okay,
we've
looked
at
five
or
six
or
seven
different
Technologies
for
communal
systems.
We
only
want
two
or
three
of
these
systems
installed
as
best
practices.
H
If
the
utility
is
set
up,
they
will
ultimately
determine
who's
going
to
help
manage
the
systems,
but
you
are
correct.
At
the
beginning
days
of
the
utility,
it
won't
be
hard
to
any
staff
or
anything
and
the
scale
of
the
number
of
communal
units
in
the
ground
will
be
relatively
low,
and
the
expectation
is
that
we
would
work
with
utilities,
Kingston
or
or
Perth,
or
the
Clean
Water
Association,
to
at
the
initial
stages
to
help
us
with
that.
G
H
Through
email,
once
the
system's
up
and
running,
the
utility
will
charge
fees
for
water
and
wastewater,
just
like
they
do
in
person
like
in
Kingston,
and
we've
done
some
analyzes
and
we've
talked
to
some
of
the
installers
and
the
ballpark
costs
they're.
Estimating
the
average
monthly
bill
will
be
between
150
and
175
dollars
a
month.
H
H
E
C
J
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
madam
mayor
to
Joe
or
whoever
one
of
the
questions.
This
is
probably
the
biggest
investment
that
will
ever
happen
in
the
ability
of
sharper
Lake.
If
we
went
with
one
of
the
plans,
the
option,
one
two
or
three
or
whatever,
but
as
I
go
around
and
talk
about
this
particular
item,
there
is
a
quite
a
concern
about
taking
water
out
of
the
West
Basin
and
putting
it
back
into
the
East
Basin
and
one
of
the
factors
that
most
people
point
to
is:
will
there
be
the
quality
of
the
water
I?
J
Think
Phil
has
spoken
to
the
quality
of
the
water,
but
what
about
the
temperature
of
the
water?
That's
going
back
in
the
lake?
Is
it
going
to
be
similar
to
the
water
temperature?
That's
would
come
out
of
the
West
Basin
and
would
that
have
an
effect
on
the
environment
of
the
lake.
And
let
me
let
me
ask
another
question:
then
I'll
I'll
be
quiet
so
because
of
the
size
of
this
investment
and
the
impact
on
our
community.
J
H
Thank
you,
mayor,
I'm,
going
to
ask
Phil
to
answer
the
first
question
about
the
water
temperature
and
the
water
quality,
but
in
terms
of
existing
services
in
the
ground,
I
can
think
of
a
couple
that
I'm
aware
of
one
is
right
here
in
Frontenac
County.
Actually,
it's
a
fake
and
land
condominium
on
the
shores
of
mississaugagon
lake
in
North
Frontenac,
it's
called
Frontenac
Shores
and
they
have
12
full
season
cottages
and
they
take
the
water
out
of
mississaugan
Lake.
H
They
treat
it
in
the
basement
of
one
of
the
cottages
and
it
provides
drinking
water
for
those
12
as
well
as
they
have
a
an
ecoflow
communal
system
and
it's
been
operating
now
for
more
than
a
decade
and
I
understand
it's
operating
really
well.
Another
example
is
the
village
of
Almont
there's
a
residential
subdivision,
I,
believe
it's
more
than
24
homes
and
it's
on
communal.
H
H
It's
been
in
operation
for
about
eight
years
working
really
well,
one
of
the
interesting
things
about
that
development.
Is
the
township
required
the
developer
to
operate
the
system
for
the
first
three
to
five
years.
I
can't
remember,
the
exact
number
instead
of
anything
goes
wrong
with
the
system
you're
going
to
pay
to
fix
it,
even
though
it
was
overseen
by
the
township
and
I
think
that's
a
good
model
for
us
to
think
of
moving
forward
in
terms
of
quality
control
and
then
most
recently
in
the
Niagara
region.
H
When
we've
been
working
on
this
project
since
2017
and
one
of
the
things
I'd
always
been
trying
I've
been
thinking
about,
is
it
would
be
really
good
for
our
community
to
have
a
one-day
Symposium
to
have
installers
come
and
actually
physical
pieces,
their
equipment,
some
developers
who've
done
this
work.
Some
Consultants
who've
done
this
work.
For
example,
Photon
has
been
involved
in
some
projects
and
we
would
have
a
day
of
almost
an
educational
piece
to
show
how
advanced
this
technology
is.
H
F
K
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
First
of
all,
could
we
have
a
recorded
vote
on
this
when
we
do
go
to
vote
later?
On
and
I
have
a
few
questions,
so
you
want
us
to
vote
to
go
forward
to
implement
to
in
an
inflammation
implementation
plan.
What
are
the
costs
associated
with
going
forward
and
we
don't
we're
in
a
position
where
we've
had
this
land
for
quite
a
few
years
we've
been
trying
to
look
at
seniors
housing.
K
K
Councilor
McDonald
asked
my
question
about
the
the
lake
and
the
risk
to
the
lake,
because
that's
where
I'm
really
held
on
I'm
really
worried.
This
is
a
sensitive
Lake.
We
do
have
high
development
on
it,
and
I
grew
up
hearing
about
High
rains
and
Kingston
having
to
have
a
backup
at
theirs
and
they
end
up
having
to
dump
waste
or
anything
into
Lake,
Ontario
and
I.
Don't
want
that
to
happen
to
Sherbert
lake
at
all
and
also
tearing
up
the
road.
K
K
C
You
yeah
I'm
going
to
work
backwards,
and
you
can
tell
me
if
I
get
to
catch
everything
so
in
terms
of
any
construction
that
is
required
within
the
municipal
right-of-way.
That
would
all
be
cost
borne
by
the
developer,
so
they
would
have
to
understand
coming
in
that
to
install
the
system
if
they
have
to
dig
up
a
piece
of
a
road
they
do
their
work
and
then
they
have
to
repair
it,
and
so
that
would
not
be
at
the
municipality
or
the
taxpayer's
expense
to
make
that
fix.
That
would
be
entirely
on
the
developer.
C
To
do
you
know
we
we
share
Cons
with
respect
to
to
Sherbert
Lake
I
mean
that's
why
there
are
additional
environmental
assessments
needed,
because
we
need
to
understand
what
the
impacts
are.
What
the
regulations
are,
that
we
have
to
meet
and
I
think
you're
very
right
in
saying
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
backup
plan
on
site
as
well,
in
terms
of
what
happens.
C
I
think
Phil
had
already
mentioned,
with
respect
to
maybe
keeping
the
current
well
to
serve
in
the
case
that
if
you
need
sort
of
a
backup
system,
so
I
think
we
need
to
think
we
will
definitely
need
to
think
through
that
process,
because
nobody
wants
to
see
anything
happen
to
the
lake.
The
whole
intent
behind
doing
this
type
of
servicing
is
that
it
is
more
sustainable
and
supposedly
more
environmentally
friendly.
So
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
see
an
outcome
that
that
poses
any
harm
to
the
lake.
C
Certainly
and
in
terms
of
of
timing,
I
mean
I
think
perhaps
my
colleague
Joe
has
actually
had
more
conversations
with
developers
than
I
have,
but
every
I
think
everybody
knows
that
that
there's
a
there's,
a
need
for
housing
and
I
think
once
everything
is
in
place,
I
think
I
think
what
developers
want
is
they
want
to
be
able
to
move
ahead
with
his
little
red
tape
and
as
few
hiccups
as
possible.
So
what
we're
looking
at
doing
is
putting
doing
all
the
groundwork
for
what
the
servicing
would
be.
C
H
What's
in
the
called
a
municipal
responsibility
agreement
which
essentially
says
that
if
something
goes
wrong
with
the
system
that
we
put
in
or
we
default
or
disappear,
then
the
then
automatically
the
ministry
of
the
environment
will
order
the
municipality
to
take
it
over.
So
what
usually
happens
is
that
the
you
know
to
be
fiscally
sound.
The
municipality
will
say:
Okay
developer.
We
like
your
proposal,
you're
about
to
spend
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
in
communal
system
infrastructure.
H
We
need
you
to
give
us
another
million
and
a
half
dollars,
so
we
can
put
it
in
a
reserve
fund.
So
we
can
be
sure
that
we
have
monies
available
to
fix
and
repair
this
with
the
creation
of
the
utility
that
that
requirement
will
disappear,
that
the
the
utility
will
take
these
systems
over
after
they're
put
in
the
ground.
They
will
be
public
utilities
and
that's
not
happening
anywhere
else
in
Ontario
right
now,
and
that
is
going
to
be
a
significant
change
in
terms
of
providing
different
housing
choices.
C
C
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
lay
out
for
you
what
those
costs
might
be
and
then
and
then
ideally
like
with
this
study,
we
were
able
to
get
some
funding
to
help
you
know
to
buffer
that
cost,
but
hopefully
that
it
continues
to
be
an
option
either
through
the
green
Municipal
fund
or
other
Grant
system
moving
forward.
So
those
are
always
changing,
but
we
can
certainly
help
keep
our
eyes
open
to
help
with
that.
Just.
H
Sorry
one
more
thing
you,
you
asked
about
the
interest
in
developers
and
I
forgot
to
answer
that
part
of
the
question
so
pre-covered
we
had.
We
had
a
focus
group
with
a
number
of
developers
in
the
region
and
we
talked
about
where
the
county
was
hoping
to
go
and
the
end
state
would
be
creating
this
public
utility
and
essentially
what
the
developer
said
to
us.
H
The
road
work,
the
source
protection
plan,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
turn
the
keys
over
to
the
public
utility.
So
that
is
that
that
is
definitely
something
that
will
will
bring
us
into
Frontenac.
County
will
give
us
more
opportunities
and
that
extra
cost
the
business
plan
of
having
to
to
double
down
on
the
infrastructure.
Investment
with
that
off
the
table,
there'll
be
a
lot
of
interest
in
this
site,
so
it'll
be
a
choice
for
the
township
to
are
you
going
to
develop
this
on
your
own?
H
Or
do
you
go
through
a
process
where
you
set
up
all
the
parameters?
You
have
the
public
consultation,
you
decide
what
you
want
on
the
site
and
we,
as
your
planners,
can
set
clearly
what
the
Bills
should
look
like,
and
then
you
can
put
that
out
to
an
RFP
for
developers
and
I.
Think
it's
the
high
likelihood
that
you'll
have
interest
in
that
foreign.
L
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
A
lot
of
the
potential
questions
that
I
would
have
were
ones
that
were
floated
by
councilor,
McDonald
and
counselor
Gowdy,
but
I
do
have
one
assuming
and
and
in
my
interpretation
the
perfect
world.
We
have
a
private
developer
who
can
come
in
and
we,
as
taxpayers,
don't
have
to
build
this
project
and
that
there
is
a
commercial
component
to
it,
because
we
really
do
need
to
bump
up
that
classification
of
property
in
this
Village
I
understand
the
developer
would
pay
for
it.
I
also
understand
that
we
would
run
it.
L
L
Where
are
the
issues
with
that,
because
we're
asking
a
developer
to
build
for
this
particular
project,
but
we're
also
holding
the
door
open
that
they're
going
to
be
building
something
that
we
have
aspirations
of
going
further?
Is
that
going
to
be
an
issue?
How
how
do
we
square
that
because
I'm
sure,
a
developer,
who
wants
to
put
up
a
building
that
has
50
units
is
not
necessarily
looking
at
building
a
waste
treatment
system
for
the
entire
Village?
So
I
I'm
just
wondering
how
we
square
that.
H
To
you,
mayor,
excellent
question
and
I
actually
I'd
like
Phil
to
answer
that,
because
I
think
it
comes
down
to
scalability.
If
that's
the
right
word
in
terms
of
I
guess
to
counselor,
Cameron's
Point,
you've
proven
what
the
feasibility
is,
what
can
be
achieved
by
communal
on
the
property
and
as
Yuko
showed
in
the
presentation,
there's
other
public
uses,
including
the
hall
we're
in
tonight
that
may
benefit
from
being
hooked
in,
but
that
also
the
village
itself
in
the
longer
term.
H
F
Yeah
absolutely
Joe,
the
scalability
is
a
good
word,
but
also
modular,
so
I
as
I
think
I
mentioned
in
in
my
talk
earlier,
that
it's
quite
easy
to
expand
these
or
I
guess
fair
to
be
fair
scale
them
by
adding
an
additional
process
chain.
So
you
have
like,
for
example,
you
have
you
have
one
that
can
do
10
000
liters
per
day.
Well,
you
add
a
second
one
that
does
another
10
000
liters
per
day:
you're,
not
doubling
the
cost.
You're,
not
doubling
the
size.
D
If
I
may
add,
through
through
Merit
from
an
implementation
perspective
in
answering
the
counselor's
question,
the
the
idea
there
is
that
the
developer
would
not
be
responsible
for,
say,
upsizing.
The
system
system
modules
can
be
added,
as
additional
needs
are
identified,
that
without
having
to
go
through
the
exercise
of
trying
to
claw
back
the
costs
from
the
developer
or
trying
to
get
the
developer
to
pay.
For
those,
it
would
be
on
the
parties
adding
modules,
for
example,
to
build
that
into
the
system
from
a
cost
perspective.
L
I
think
Yuko
did
partially
cover
what
my
follow-up
is.
I'm
just
wondering
do
if
we're
in
a
situation
where
the
developer
pays
for
something,
and
there
is
an
an
aspiration
or
an
expectation
that
it
would
be
scalable
and
we're
not
necessarily
going
to
say
to
the
developer.
You
have
to
pay
for
something
up
and
above
the
development
that
we
signed.
L
H
Through
human
years,
so
we're
getting
a
little
bit
ahead
of
ourselves,
I
think
I
mean
I,
appreciate
your
vision
and
and
I
understand.
Somebody
told
me
once
that
Moe
came
into
the
village
in
the
80s
and
replaced
a
lot
of
the
septics
or
helped
pay
for
replacement,
and
those
are
now
30
or
40
years
old.
H
So
I
I
believe
that
again
going
back
to
the
utility,
if
the
utility
is
managing
these
systems
and
then
the
township
wants
to
expand
the
system,
the
utility
would
lead
that
process.
They
would.
They
would
help
do
the
engineering
and
work
with
whatever
needed
to
be
done
in
terms
of
hooking
up
other
parts
or
the
entire
Village
in
the
future.
That's
that's
again.
The
beauty
of
it's
a
public
utility
so
they'll
be
working
not
for
profit.
M
Victor.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
One
of
the
concerns
that
I'm
hearing
around
the
table
is
about
taxes,
taxpayers,
money
being
spent
on
this
and
I
I'm
thinking
that
people
are
perhaps
thinking
too
far
ahead
at
this
point,
I
believe
that
Sonia's
comment
was
that
the
purpose
of
tonight's
meeting
is
to
see
whether
or
not
we
move
forward
the
next
small
step,
which
is
the
implementation
plan,
which
is
not
going
to
cost
very
much
money.
What
I'm
not
hearing
around
the
table
is
what
is
the
potential
benefit
of
this?
M
So
if
we
have
45
50
units
we're
looking
at
what
100
150
more
residents
spending
money
at
Mike
Dean's
spending
money
at
Bob's,
the
economic
benefit
of
this
is
has
has
tremendous
potential
and
to
be
concerned
about
spending
a
few
dollars
to
look
at
an
implementation
plan.
We're
going
to
have
a
chance
to
decide
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
go
ahead
with
this
in
the
future.
A
I
just
like
to
add
to
that
that
every
year
I
get
the
same
two
people
giving
me
a
call
to
say:
when
are
these
seniors
Apartments
going
to
be
ready
because
I
need
to
sell
my
house
and
I
don't
want
to
leave
and
we're
certainly
not
rushing
this,
because
we've
been
working
on
seniors
housing
for
at
least
five
years
now,
and
people
are
getting
older
and
they're.
Looking
more
and
more
at
I,
don't
need
this
big
house,
I
need
a
smaller
place
to
live
and
I
want
to
stay
in
the
village.
J
You,
madam
mayor
I,
just
want
to
follow
up
on
that
vein.
The
provincial
government
just
recently
passed
a
bill
where
they're
going
to
force
patients
out
of
hospitals
back
into
long-term
care
facilities.
Well,
the
domino
effect
of
that
will
be
that
the
long-term
care
spaces
are
going
to
be
used
up
by
people
from
the
hospital,
so
I
know
for
a
fact
from
being
on
County
that
we
have
a
waiting
list
to
get
in
long-term
care
right
now
of
800
people.
J
J
N
Question
I
have
is,
with
regards
to
the
discharge
water,
going
back
into
servant,
Lake
all
municipalities,
large
municipalities,
protector
discharge
water
several
times
a
day
to
make
sure
that
the
water
isn't
any
pollutants
in
it.
How
would
in
this
plan,
we
have
some
mechanism
in
there
that
that
will
be
checked
in
a
several
times
in
a
24-hour
period,
just
so
that
we
know
that
the
water
going
back
in
is
is
as
pure
as
that
we
talked
about
through.
H
F
F
Many
of
the
parameters
that
would
be
indicator
parameters,
be
it
a
temperature
that
someone
else
we
spoke
of
earlier
or
conductivity,
or
a
variety
of
others,
can
be
measured
automatically
via
sensors,
so
they
could
be
data
log
at
Whatever,
frequency
or
or
greater
than
what's
required
by
the
ministry
for
extra.
You
know
confidence
in
in
the
the
consistency
of
the
discharge.
F
The
specific
some
parameters
can't
be
measured
automatically
and
have
to
be
sent
to
a
lab,
so
the
The
Collection
would
be
a
specified
specified
by
the
ministry
and
and
similar
to
or
equal
to
those
of
other
other
systems.
So
it's
extremely
tightly
regulated
and
also
on
a
site
by
size
basis,
which
I
mentioned,
which
means
that
for
an
area
that
a
discharge
area
into
a
body,
that's
that's
more
sensitive
or
has
a
concern,
or
especially
at
at
the
beginning
of
a
discharge.
Permit.
O
A
Certainly
can,
but
we
have
chosen
this
site
for
the
seniors.
One
of
the
things
about
choosing
a
site
is
you
need
a
place
where
seniors
can
get
Services?
You
can
walk
to
the
grocery
store.
You
could
walk
to
the
pharmacy.
Parham
doesn't
have
that
so
maybe
a
different
type
of
housing
could
go
in
Parham
like
low-income
singles,
not
not
seniors,
but
seniors
do
need
to
be
in
a
walkable
Community
where
there
are
Services
provided
the
medical
center,
for
instance,
could
actually
go
to
this
complex
and
and
visit
people.
A
B
P
P
P
A
H
H
Only
the
development
can
only
be
on
communal
so
that
the
house,
the
lot
sizes
can
match
the
existing
Village
fit
into
it.
So
it
is
an
option
to
do
a
3p,
as
you've
mentioned
you're
right
about
the
risks
and
walking
away.
But
that
wouldn't
be
the
case
here.
If
it
was
a
developer
who
came
in
we,
the
township
sets
the
rules
for
what's
going
to
go
on
the
site.
The
public
agrees
to
that,
of
course,
and
no
Municipal
responsibility
agreements,
so
they
don't
have
to
put
that
money
down.
H
H
Utility
is
an
arms
length
organization
under
the
municipal
act
that
is
required
to
look
after
the
debt
and
everything.
So
to
your
point
about,
will
the
taxpayers
in
the
rest
of
the
township
pay
for
the
cost
of
servicing
this
site?
The
answer
is:
no,
it
will
not
be.
The
utility
will
be
charging
fees
to
the
this
building
to
recover
the
cost
of
operating
only.
H
C
Your
bottom
chair,
the
only
thing
that
I
would
add
to
that
too
and
I
I
kind
of
heard
a
couple
intakes
of
breath
when
Joe
made
the
the
comment
that
the
average
utility
bill
monthly,
with
some
of
the
examples
he
looked
at
was
150
to
175,
so
that's
for
water
and
for
sewage
and
build
into
those
utility
bills
is
also
the
future
replacement
cost
yeah
right.
So
the
idea
that
you
know
in
25
years
you
need
to
replace
the
entire
system.
C
The
people
who
have
been
using
that
system
over
those
25
years
have
been
putting
a
little
bit
away
each
month
into
the
utility
for
the
utility
to
replace
it.
So
so
yes,
living
living
on
a
private
well
and
septic,
is
you
have
no
monthly
utility
bill,
but
when
your
septic
needs
to
be
replaced,
you
need
to
find
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
to
do
do
it.
G
K
K
A
Unless
we
can
get
a
grant,
which
is
also
part
of
this
motion
that
I'm
about
to
read,
okay,
let's
read
the
motion
and
the
motion
is
moved
by
Victor
Hayes
seconded
by
Bill
McDonald.
The
council
received
the
report
included
as
attachment
1
and
entitled
engineering
feasibility
study,
communal
services
in
the
township
of
central
front
and
act,
former
Charlotte
Lake
Public
School
site
Redevelopment,
dated
July
2022
and
prepared
by
Photon
planning
and
design
and
pension
Limited
in
fulfillment
of
the
terms
of
reference
for
the
project.
A
So
the
the
green
Municipal
fund
is
what
paid
for
this
report.
50
percent
and
I
did
mention
I.
Think
at
the
last
meeting
at
Amo,
the
warden
of
the
county
and
the
deputy
Warden
met
with
Steve
Clark,
who
is
Municipal
Affairs
housing
minister,
to
talk
about
this
particular
project
and
they
were
encouraged
to
put
forward
an
application
for
funding
to
help
us
with
a
communal
service
system.
So
that
we'll
be
looking
at
further
down
the
road
as
well.
O
A
A
A
A
Q
Okay,
through
you,
madam
mayor
to
yourself,
counselors
and
staff
first
off
we'd,
like
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
all
of
you
this
course
regarding
Matthew
Street
in
the
medical
center
project.
There
are
two
items
we'll
be
speaking
about
this
evening.
One
is
sort
of
alluding
to
the
frustrations
we've
had
with
the
process
and
the
other
will
be
the
outstanding
decision
on
the
one-way
versus
two-way,
on
Matthew
Street,
first
I'll
be
speaking
a
little
bit
about
the
process.
Q
Q
Now
there
was
a
sense
amongst
those
that
the
decisions
regarding
Matthew
Street
and
Medical
Center
Road
had
mostly
already
been
determined.
We
happen
to
be
here
on
the
June
28th
meeting
by
accident.
So
that's
how
we
know
the
council
decided
on
the
one-way
Street,
based
on
a
recommendation
from
staff.
Q
It
was
clear
that
there's
been
public
frustration
regarding
this.
Since
the
project
was
announced,
there's
been
multiple
presentations,
petitions
and
these
generally
aren't
the
norm.
We
expect
there
has
been
frustration
amongst
Council
as
well.
Had
the
project
been
more
transparent
at
the
outset
and
allowed
for
a
broader
public
consultation.
Many
of
these
frustrations
could
have
been
avoided
or
at
least
dealt
with
in
a
more
timely,
efficient,
concise
manner.
Q
Q
After
our
second
letter
to
council,
the
Public
Works
manager
initially
told
us
that
he
would
meet
with
us
or
would
meet
with
us,
but
the
mayor
had
put
a
hold
on
any
meetings
at
that
time.
A
few
days
later,
the
mayor
told
my
wife
that
when
he
indicated
we
had
still
not
had
a
meeting
that
she
was
leading
it
to
public
works.
So
again
we
go
in
circles.
One
counselor,
and
there
have
been
two
that
have
contacted
us
surprise-
was
surprised
that
a
meeting
had
taken
place
with
us
with
the
mayor
in
the
council
Etc.
Q
This
counselor
would
have
also
attended
if
he
or
she
had
known
about
it.
Communication
is
another
one
that
doesn't
always
help
the
process.
Statements
like
how
many
meetings
do
we
need
or
change
can
be
difficult,
which
come
from
staff
are
not
always
helpful.
We
agree.
Change
can
be
difficult,
but
timely
consultation.
That's
accurate
and
concise
as
well
as
communication
goes
a
long
way
in
alleviating
this
regard.
Q
At
the
end
of
the
day,
most
of
the
concerns
we
did
have,
though,
about
the
encroachment
onto
the
property
from
the
Medical
Center
Road
were
addressed,
but
getting
there
we
felt
was
a
bit
frustrating
and
I'm
sure,
no
doubt
for
you
as
well.
Now
the
decision
council
is
intending
to
revisit
around
one-way
versus
two-way.
Is
the
other
item
we'd
like
to
discuss
so
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Rhonda
and.
R
Again,
thank
you
to
the
mayor
and
counselors
forum
for
listening
to
us.
I
know
you're,
probably
getting
as
tired
of
this
topic
as
we
are,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
our
property
is,
is
looking
much
better.
So
we're
we're
pleased
and
we're
pleased
that
the
construction
took
place
on
Matthew
Street
in
the
first
place
it
needed
to
happen
and
we're
not
at
all
against
the
fact
that
that
those
improvements
were
made,
but
as
for
the
one-way
versus
two-way,
we
understand
that
you're
going
to
be
revisiting
that
tonight.
At
least.
R
We
understand
you
will,
and
we
know,
because
we
happen
to
be
here-
that
the
decision
was
made
on
that
on
June
28th,
based
on
the
recommendation
from
Public
Works.
We
believe
from
the
meeting
we
attended
last
week
that
council's
getting
a
second
engineering
report
and
again
I
guess
we
wonder
why
that's
helpful,
since
Engineers
expertise
is
particularly
suited
to
construction
and
construction
codes
and
so
on,
as
opposed
to
traffic
planning
and
those
sorts
of
things.
R
It
seems
Seems
to
us
that
if
there
was
advice
coming
around
one
way
versus
two-way,
that
planners
and
people
without
expertise
would
be
more
valuable
to
you.
But
regardless
of
what
other
information
you
may
receive
from
Engineers,
we
honestly
think
you
have
the
the
information
that
you
need
to
make
to
make
this
decision
and
that
it
is
a
political
one
and
we
believe
you
have
some
objective
data
points
that
are
available
to
you.
R
Marlene
Bertram
presented
on
June
28th
and
she
said
she's
lived
here,
60
years
and
she's
never
seen
an
accident
on
that
road
and
we're
not
aware
of
anyone
being
hurt
or
injured
on
Matthew
Street
in
all
that
time,
Marlene
started
a
petition
and
had
about
200
people
willingly
and
readily
sign
it.
No
one
on
Matthew
Street
was
asking
for
this,
and
and
it's
not
something
that
the
people
who
who
live
there
and
are
most
directly
affected,
want
the
public
didn't
get
a
chance
for
a
consultation
on
this.
R
R
We
really
acknowledge
that
traffic
can
be
very
busy
and
pedestrian
traffic
very
busy
on
that
street,
at
particular
time
special
event
stays
on
Canada
Day
concert
days.
We
absolutely
acknowledge
that,
but
we
think
there
are
also
all
kinds
of
ways
to
address
that
that
don't
inconvenience
the
locals
and
the
people
who
use
that
road
for
all
the
rest
of
the
year,
people
with
mobility
issues
can
be
dropped
off.
At
particular.
Locations
by
the
beach
streets
could
be
closed
to
cars
on
certain
days.
R
R
So
that's
already
going
to
mitigate
risk
to
some
point
and
when
you
drive
across
the
top
now
the
sight
lines
are
really
good:
I'm,
cupping
it
up
and
down
Matthew
Street,
and
we
also
don't
think
it's
fair
to
frame
this
as
you're,
either
in
Fair
of
a
one-way
Street
or
you
don't
care
about
pedestrian
safety.
To
us,
this
isn't
an
either
or
I
firmly
believe
in
pedestrian
safety.
I,
don't
think
a
two-way
street
on
Matthew
puts
pedestrians
at
risk.
R
We've
also
never
observed
excessive
speed
on
Matthew,
certainly
out
on
Highway,
38
and
other
places,
but
that
little
stretch
people
drive
carefully
because
it's
a
short
Street
and
they
in
the
summer
they
know
there
are
pedestrians
in
terms
of
planning.
One
may
streets
make
a
lot
of
sense
when
they
encourage
traffic
to
follow
a
loop.
That's
how
and
where
they're
used
in
cities
they
encourage
loops
and
traffic
moving
in
a
certain
way,
but
this
doesn't
do
that.
R
You've
got
a
one-way
Street,
butting
up
two-way
traffic
on
either
end
and
it's
a
short
Street
and
the
real
problem
is
at
the
bottom.
You've
got
it:
butting
up
against
Medical,
Center
Road,
the
trail
Wayne
Crescent
and
a
driveway.
So
that's
where
all
the
turning
around
is
going
to
have
to
happen
when
people
realize
they
can't
go
up
Matthew
anymore,
and
it's
not
conducive
to
turning
around
in
front
of
vehicles
that
might
be
coming
up
and
down
the
trail
or
up
and
down
the
roads.
R
Having
said
that,
it
does
create
a
very
real
and
specific
problem
for
us
on
Matthew
Street,
and
we
have
an
ATV
and
a
snowmobile
that
we
keep
in
our
garage
on
the
property
there
and
we
actually
bought
that
property
so
that
we
would
have
a
place
where
we
could
quickly
and
easily
access
the
trail.
It
was
a
big
factor
in
making
our
retirement
here
and
making
it
home
long
term.
R
So,
at
the
first
meeting
on
June
15th,
we
were
led
to
believe
that
if
it
was
one
way
for
cars
and
multi-use
in
the
other,
that
we
would
still
be
able
to
drive
the
ATV
or
the
snowmobile
in
either
direction
on
the
multiple
use
side.
But
when
we
had
a
meeting
following
our
first
letter
to
council
with
the
mayor,
the
CAO
counselorhees
and
the
Public
Works
manager,
we
were
told
that
no
anything
motorized
couldn't
go
in
the
opposite
direction
on
the
multi-use
side.
So
that's
where
we
have
a
dilemma.
Q
Yeah
the
Dilemma
excuse
me,
the
Dilemma
being.
How
do
we
legally
get
the
snowmobile
back
into
the
garage?
We
have
only
two
legal
auctions
drive
it
through
the
village
and
damage
the
new
pavement
or
drive
it
up,
Highway,
38
and
turn
on
to
Elizabeth,
Elizabeth,
Street
and
down,
which
is
hard
in
the
pavement
and
very
unsafe.
Q
From
our
perspective
at
the
meeting
Ron
to
ask
the
mayor:
if
I'd
have
to
drive
up
38th
and
she
said
I
gotta
stop
oh
I
apologize,
the
Public
Works
manager
suggested
he
could
build
a
grass
ramp
onto
our
lawn.
To
be
clear.
That
is
the
last
thing
we
want,
since
we're
concerned
was
about
keeping
some
semblance
of
a
lawn
when
the
project
was
done
so
that
so
this
solution
is
not
a
solution
at
all.
I
don't
expect.
Q
Many
here
would
want
to
grasp
ramp
built
onto
the
middle
middle
of
their
lawn
either
snow
banks
are
very
high
at
the
corner
and
a
long
Medical,
Center
Road.
So
just
popping
our
snowmobile
over
them
is
not
what
we
want.
We
purposely
built
a
driveway
and
garage
to
serve
as
just
that
a
driveway
and
garage.
Q
We
won't
be
alone
in
this
problem.
Snowmobilers
using
the
trail
will
now
need
to
ride
the
whole
village
or
up
to
the
corner
on
38
to
access
the
Cardinal
Cafe
Country
Inn
the
store
Etc.
They
would
be
much
safer
on
Matthew
Street
and
would
need
to
go
over
much
less
pavement
and
therefore
do
less
damage.
Q
A
You
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
It
was
very
thorough.
I
have
a
motion
moved
by
Nikki,
Gaddy
and
seconded
by
Brent
Cameron
that
Council
received
for
information,
the
presentation
from
Rhonda
Kimberly,
Young
and
Bob
Young
for
information
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
carried
and
now
we're
going
to
ask
Tyson
to
do
hey.
You
have
a
presentation
for
us
just
a
report.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
I
just
want
to
say
from
your
comments.
Yes,
we
have
made
mistakes
on
this.
One
we've
learned
our
a
lesson
about
public
consultation,
so
we
do
take
your
criticisms
to
heart
and
we
do
know
that
we
have
made
some
missteps
on
this
one,
but
I
think
we
can
mediate
a
decision
that
will
make
all
of
us
not
maybe
not
happy
but
make
it
unacceptable
situation
that
we
can
make
sure
people
are
safe
and
still
do
something
for
the
community.
S
E
A
T
A
Don't
know:
15
20
kids
coming
up
from
the
beach,
so
maybe
they
had
some
kind
of
a
play
date
or
something
but
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
consider
doing
option
one
but
add
that
it's
a
two-way
street.
For
nine
months
of
the
year
and
the
balance
of
the
year
it
becomes
a
one-way
street
with
a
pedestrian
traffic
sign
on
the
right
hand,
side
to
see
if
this
would
be
a
compromise
to
make
it
work.
T
M
Through
you,
madamir,
actually
I
would
like
more
of
a
logistical
thought
on
this,
because
I
think
the
the
original
plan
for
the
the
one
way
with
The
Pedestrian
was
there
were
going
to
be
the
Ballers.
The
flexible
bollards.
Now
are
those
easy
to
remove
and
and
also
something
like
line
painting
so
can
I
have
your.
T
Married
counselor
he's
I
can
definitely
offer
a
more
technical
review.
The
so
one
change
we
made
at
the
start
of
the
project
when
the
one-way
Street
started
becoming
a
hot
topic
of
discussion,
was
we
changed
the
future
possible
pedestrian
access
way
from
concrete
from
a
raised
concrete
sidewalk,
just
your
standard
sidewalk
that
you
see
the
rest
of
the
village
about
1.8
meters
wide.
T
We
changed
that
to
asphalt
and
we
we
crowned
the
road
back
to
two
percent
in
either
direction
of
the
crown,
so
it
could
be
used
as
a
road
if
Council
word
aside
to
keep
it
as
a
two-way
street.
There
was
some
other
minor
changes
that
didn't
impact
the
project
value
too
much.
Actually,
we
saved
a
little
bit
of
money
by
making
the
change
from
concrete
Dash
fault
the
addition
of
a
better
crosswalk
at
the
top
of
Matthew
Street.
T
That's
that's
one
thing
that
we'll
still
have
to
discuss
for
the
closure
of
that
during
the
winter
months.
But
to
answer
your
question:
Victor,
we
the
flag,
the
flux,
the
flexible
Ballers
that
we
are
proposing.
They
they
do
get
bolted,
unbolted
and
taken
out
quite
easily
in
the
winter.
They
actually
get
taken
out,
anyways
for
maintenance
and
you're,
and
in
the
winter
you
do
rely
on
the
paint,
paint
marks
and
signage
risk
factors
lower.
T
As
pedestrian
and
tourism
drops
off
the
there's
way,
less
pedestrian
risk
is
lower
and
the
maintenance
gets
quite
a
bit
more
difficult
to
plow
around
those
bollards.
So
those
have
to
come
out
of
the
ground
anyways.
We
are
currently
looking
into
more
of
more
temporary
Solutions.
Of
course,
all
these
recommendations
from
Council
all
cost
money,
but
there's
other
townships
that
delineate
their
Pathways
with
well.
Some
who
are
trying
to
be
more
cost
effective
can
just
simply
use
Jersey
barriers
that
are
removable
in
signage.
T
J
T
It's
been
something
else
that's
been
raised
is
the
property
value
and
I
can't
definitely
cannot
speak
to
the
property
value
aspect
of
it,
but
the
integrity
and
the
way
I
can
relate.
That
is
thinking
about
the
driveways,
how
the
driveways
enter
and
the
some
of
the
older
houses
even
have
back
driveways
down
to
the
garage
and
stuff
like
that,
so
those
have
all
been
redesigned
to
function,
whether
it's
a
one-way
Street
or
a
two-way
street.
T
Now
there
is
certain
ones
that
definitely
will
be
more
inconvenient,
such
as
the
house
house
at
the
very
West
End
of
the
on
the
North
West
End
of
the
Street
and
I
was
working
again
with
the
property
owners
this
morning,
there's
always
give
and
take
to
make
to
make
improvements,
but
we're
working
together
with
them
and
they've
been
quite
supportive
and
excited
about
the
project.
So
as
for
the
safety,
not
only
public
works,
but
also
dual
engineering
and
ghd
has
identified
a
safety
concern
at
the
top
of
Matthew
Street.
A
I
think
the
fact
we
haven't
had
an
accident
there
in
60
70
years
is
a
very
good
thing,
but
I
know
myself
coming
up
there
in
the
winter,
when
I
decide
to
go
I'm
spinning
my
tires
to
get
up
the
hill
because
you
you
have
to
move
faster.
Otherwise
there
will
be
accidents
so
certainly
winter
time's
not
I,
always
go
down
that
street
in
Winter,
not
up
it,
which
I
think
a
lot
of
people
probably
do
and.
T
Further
to
your
point,
matamara
something
that
was
observed
and
I'm
disappointed.
It
wasn't
mentioned
in
the
report,
but
something
that
was
observed
by
the
during
the
traffic
study
is
a
lot
of
people
rolling,
doing
rolling
stops,
and
that
was
also
identified
by
members
of
the
public
before
this
as
well
as
that,
what
it
forces
to
do,
especially
in
the
winter,
is
when
you
come
to
the
top
of
Matthew
Street.
T
You
know
you're
going
to
spend
your
tires,
so
you
just
keep
going
and
nobody
actually
stops
at
the
stop
sign,
because
you
risk
spinning
and
sliding
backwards.
So
I
agree
that
the
accident
free
for
that
many
years
is
definitely
speaks
for
something
I,
don't
think
it's
I,
don't
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
enough
statistic
to
to
base
design
off
for
the
future.
T
I
just
know
every
single
time,
I
pull
onto
Matthew,
Street
and
I
head
down
towards
the
beach
even
going
down
the
hill
as
soon
as
I
turn
on
there's
a
mother
with
a
stroller
getting
a
coffee
from
the
Cardinal
heading
down
to
the
beach.
And
it's
me
that
has
to
answer
to
that.
If
someone
turns
the
corner
and
hits
somebody
one
thing:
we're
never
going
to
be
able
to
do
whether
Council
decides
to
make
at
a
two-way
street
or
a
one-way
Street.
T
One
thing
I'll
never
be
able
to
do
with
signage
and
line
painting
is
divert
pedestrians
from
using
Matthew
Street.
If
Council
decides
to
make
it
a
two-way
street,
I
I
am
telling
you
it's
not
a
safe
pedestrian
access,
but
I
I
will
not
be
able
to
alter
the
route
the
pedestrians
take
with
with
signage
and
paint
marking
and
stuff
like
that,
so
it's
kind
of
like
a
river.
T
If
it's
all
the
flow
of
pedestrians
already
wants
to
use
that
it's
my
job
to
provide
a
safe
access
for
them,
and
this
is
the
best
way
that
we
could
see
to
do
it
inside
of
the
budget
we've
got
and
without
impacting
those
properties,
even
more
it
to
make
a
two-way
street
with
pedestrian
access,
and
that's
why
this
has
shifted
over
to
a
political
decision.
Yeah.
N
We
look
at
it
having
it
one
way
in
the
summertime
and
in
the
wintertime
having
a
two-way
street,
so
I
think
this
and
then
after
we've
done
this
for
a
year,
then
we
can
assess
it,
and
maybe
the
people
get
used
to
the
one
way
and
they'll
they'll
maybe
agree
to
have
it
all
one
way
all
the
time,
but
I
think
this
is
a
good
trial
period
form
to
try
it
out
this
year
and
then
re-look
at
it
next
year.
So
I
would
support
the
seasonal
aspect
of
going
one
way.
Okay,.
K
Thank
you.
Madam
first
can
I
request
a
recorded
vote
on
this.
Why
do
you
want
to
do
that?
All
because
I
want
to
be
a
pain,
okay,
we
can
do
it
and,
secondly,
we
have
acknowledged
that
we
kind
of
dropped
the
ball
on
public
consultation.
So
there
are
a
few
people
in
the
audience.
So
would
it
be
fair
to
ask
them
if
they
are
in
favor
of
a
c
of
the
seasonal.
A
L
A
O
T
I
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that.
Something
else
I
should
point
out
is
there
are
financial
and
logistical
implications
of
each
decision
if
Matthew
street
is
going
to
be
left
as
a
two-way
street
permanently
well,
after
this
decision
tonight
we
will
be
altering
to
the
project
and
the
and
the
crosswalk
at
the
top
of
Matthew
Street
will
no
longer
be
installed
because
I
can't
provide
a
crosswalk
to
to
a
street
and
there
will
have
to
be
signage
posted
for
the
safety
of
the
pedestrians.
A
T
I
I
would
we
can
look
into
it
more,
but
at
this
point
the
information
I've
got
from
Engineers
is
that
we
we
definitely
can't
provide
an
access.
We
definitely
can't
provide
a
crosswalk
encouraging
pedestrians
and
it's
and
it's
been
recommended
to
the
township-
that
we
should
post
no
pedestrian
access.
If
we're
building
a
new
two-way
street
makes
sense
to
show
pedestrians.
T
A
B
I
T
T
It
it
we've.
We've
got
some
flexibility.
There,
I
just
sits
around
I,
just
wanted
to
remind
Council
it's
around
the
same
time
frame
that
that
time
of
year
we're
watching
closely
the
weather
and
the
frost
and
the
conditions
and
making
a
decision
already
to
lift
half
loads.
It
could
possibly
be
done
around
the
same
time
frame.
A
L
Yeah
and
we
and
we
pursue
it
the
way
we
would
any
other
public
consultation
that
we
Post
in
the
paper.
We
make
sure
that
people
are
aware
that
these
conversations
are
taking
place
and
they
have
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
in
terms
of
their
impact
as
residents
in
Charlotte
lake
or
people
who
are
on
that
particular
Street.
I
A
I'm
sticking
words
in
here
all
right:
okay,
let
me
read
the
motion
and
we'll
get
it
right.
Yet:
okay,
move
by
Victor,
Hayes
and
seconded
by
Bill
McDonald,
whereas
Council
approved
the
Reconstruction
of
Matthew
Street
in
the
bud
in
the
2022
budget
and
where's.
The
scope
of
the
project,
along
with
the
tender
drawings,
were
reviewed
by
Council
and
as
such,
the
project
design
was
accepted
and
where's.
T
T
At
this
time
it
would
make
more
sense
to
hold
off
on
the
walkway
to
for
the
pedestrians,
because
it
could
it
there's
a
risk
of
encouraging
pedestrians
to
use
a
crosswalk
that
goes
into
live
traffic.
Now,
however,
it's
important
Council
understands
there
is
also
a
risk
we
will
reach
out
to
the
funding
organization.
There's
also
a
risk
of
having
to
pay
for
that
crosswalk
outside
of
the
ground.
I
A
T
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
I.
Do
I
Public
Works
operates
with
the
community
safety
in
mind
the
whole
time
I
did
not
I.
Don't
want
this
project
to
be
difficult
for
anybody,
I
don't
want
it
to
be
difficult
changes
for
everybody.
We've
proposed
what
we
think
is
the
best
way
to
We've.
Looked
at
this,
as
the
official
plan
says,
through
the
lens
of
putting
a
focus
on
pedestrians
and
cyclists
and
Trail
users
that,
unfortunately,
does
come
with
some
negative
impacts,
so
we're
doing
our
best.
Thank
you
and.
A
S
T
K
Nikki
just
one
thing
to
add
not
to
this
Matthew
street,
but
you
said
anything
else
to
come
before
Council
when
the
flags
as
Tyson
is
here
and
Kathy
is
here
as
the
flags
are
being
risen.
Now
after
Queen
Elizabeth's
funeral
yesterday,
could
we
have
them
replay
any
flag?
That's
tattered
be
replaced.
Please,
and
thank
you
that.