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From YouTube: CHAOSS DEI Working Group Meeting June 7 2023
Description
Meeting summary can be found here: https://chaoss.discourse.group/t/dei-working-group-meeting-summary-june-7/164/1
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Hey
everybody:
it's
June,
7th,
it's
11
09
a.m.
My
time
you
are
here
at
the
Dei
working
group,
Community
call
or
just
regular
call,
I
guess,
working
call
for
chaos
and
just
a
reminder.
This
meeting
is
under
the
chaos
code
of
conduct.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
you
interact
with
us
and
if
you
would
like
to
keep
your
camera
off,
you
are
absolutely
welcome
to
do
that,
not
a
problem
at
all.
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B
A
There
we
go.
We
had
just
talked
about
birds
for
like
10
minutes,
because
this
was
my
question
today
and
yeah.
There's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
to
talk
about
with
Birds,
because
they're
amazing
they're,
really
cool
they're
like
little
baby
dinosaurs
that
are
here
with
us
right
now,
so
they're,
cool,
okay.
So
quick
on
the
agenda,
just
as
a
reminder,
we've
kind
of
changed
our
format
here,
a
little
bit
so
the
first
30
minutes
here
were
spent
on
Dei
related
things
and
EI.
A
A
Is
going
to
go?
Of
course
these
are
open
agendas.
If
there's
something
you
want
to
talk
about,
feel
free
to
just
drop
it
in
here
and
we'll
we'll
add
it
to
the
list
and
if
we
can
get
to
it,
we
absolutely
will
so
the
first
one
is
just
a
follow-up
from
last
time.
Just
to
let
everybody
know,
the
Common
working
group
did
approve
the
changes
to
this
metric,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
publishing
that
as
soon
as
we're
ready
to
do
that.
So
in.
A
D
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I'm
trying
to
pull
them
from
the
spreadsheet,
oh
gotcha,
okay,
this
is
a
little
bit
easier.
How
if
it's
not
in
the
spreadsheet,
then
I
have
to
go
to
GitHub
and
grab
them:
okay,
okay,
but
it
just
surprisingly
just
takes
a
little
while
to
do
that.
It's
just
it's
not
hard
or
anything,
it's
just
a
little
time
consuming.
Okay!
Well,
thanks
for
doing
that,.
A
A
Partners
with
the
all-in
project,
which
is
kind
of
managed
by
GitHub,
there's
a
few
other
collaborators
in
that.
But
one
thing
that
they're
working
on
right
now-
and
this
is
for
there's
an
all-in
for
students
and
all
in
for
maintainers,
and
this
all
in
is
for
the
maintainers
part
they're,
trying
to
release
this.
What
they're
calling
a
community
collaboration,
so
they
were
just
wondering
if
we
could
give
them
some
feedback.
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A
I
think
some
of
these-
it's
mostly
that
it's
maybe
not
as
much
how
to
do
it.
It's
just
finding
the
time,
but
to
your
point,
that
is
also
super
valid
right,
like
is,
is
work
actually
getting
done.
Is
it
actually
helpful,
you
know
and
being
able
to
link
and
see
yeah
there
was
an
issue:
here's
what
happened!
Here's
the
code
review,
all
of
it
happened
and
it's
changed
and
everybody's
happy,
and
it's
all
thanks
to
this
yeah,
so
I
think
that's
really
good.
A
A
Yeah,
we
just
I
think
the
all-in
project
was
just
trying
to
like
set
it
up
and
then
get
out
of
the
way.
Basically
you
know
and
let
them
figure
it
out
and
then
get
out
of
the
way,
but
be
there
as
just
like
a
facilitator.
If
needed,
or
you
know,
make
sure
things
are
moving
slow
smoothly.
But
out
of
the
way
a
little
bit.
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A
E
Did
I
just
wanted
to?
Let
people
know
that
you
know
we're
the
way
that
we
have
done
chaos
Africa
and
had
really
good
success
there.
We
have
a
couple
contacts
with
chaos,
Latin
America,
or
to
do
something
similar
in
Latin
America,
as
well
as
the
Balkans,
so
Sela
Yang
has
agreed
to
help
lead
things
in
Latin,
America
and
Christie.
Provery
has
agreed
to
lead
things
in
the
Balkans.
They
have
both
been
kind
of
long-term
participants
and
things
we've
been
doing
around
Dei.
E
And
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
really
it's
a
the
focus
of
a
lot
of
this
Regional
work
is
to
try
to
help
people
just
become
like
acquainted
with
open
source.
So
there
seems
to
be
a
need
for
not
necessarily
answering
the
question
of
like
how
open
source
can
help
you
get
a
job
or
how
open
source
can
help.
You
become.
E
You
know
more
integrated
in
the
tech
sector,
but
like
how
do
you
even
become
engaged
in
open
source,
initially
like
what
are
the
challenges
of
engaging
with
open
source?
What
are
you
know
some
expectations?
You
know
we
talked
about
like
if
you
are
involved
in
an
open
source
project,
that's
heavily
run
by
corporations.
What
that
might
look
like
versus
a
an
open
source
project
that
is
more
based
on
volunteerism,
so
just
trying
to
help
people
overcome
those
really
early
challenges
to
engaging
with
open
source,
and
it's
a
you
know.
E
The
the
thinking
is
is
that
in
different
regions,
different
folks
will
have
different
barriers
that
are
in
that
are
around
participating
in
open
source
and
so
I
think
the
work
that
they're
doing
is
really
just
starting.
It's
very
early,
but
that's
kind
of
the
focus
and
I'll
I
have
to
see
a
hand
raised
and
then
I'll
talk
about
that
open
source.
101
comment,
so
yeah
Gerardo.
B
B
E
Think
the
the
data
collection
stage
are
trying
to
understand
where
people
are
at
is
what's
happening
right
now
and
if
you
have
thoughts
on
how
to
engage
with
different
people
to
understand
what
the
challenges
are
for
engaging
with
open
source.
Welcome
to
have
you
be
part
of
that
conversation
because
we're
going
to
have
it
here
and
then
the
delivery
is
really
about
these
open
and
public
courses
in
terms
of
helping
different
people
in
different
regions.
So
I
think
we're
still
in
the
very
early
stages
of
this.
B
It
also
that's,
probably
not
the
sculpture,
you're,
looking
at
I'm
also
doing
this
with
them,
which
well
the
the
business
side
all
around
cities
here
in
Portugal,
so
going
to
the
to
the
associations
of
several
types
of
Enterprises
on
several
different
sectors
of
industry
and
so
doing
specific
actions
for
them.
Those
I
I
do
trying
to
find
a
suitable
project,
that's
more
connected
to
them,
but
for
general
public
there's
a
we
are
missing
a
lot
of
places
to
help
people
engage
in
open
Stars
once
they
are
there's
plenty
of
communities
to
welcome
them,
but
to.
E
A
E
I'm
doing
some
investigation
right
now
to
use
canvas
as
a
possible
delivery
tool
for
the
courses
we
have
it
available
here
in
the
University
system,
so
I'm
investigating
right
now
it's
called
like
Nu
Advance
or
something
like
that,
and
it
may
be
a
platform
that
we
could
provide.
You
know
these
non-credit
publicly
available
courses
for
people
to
take
as
needed,
so
I
just
wanted
to
keep
you
updated
that
I'm
investigating
that,
but
I
don't
have
a
clear
answer
yet.
C
Yeah
and
I'll
mention
my
first
funding
for
open
source
research
was
back
long
time
ago
at
when
I
was
at
Drexel.
We
developed
a
bunch
of
free
and
oh
H.
Foss
software
curriculum,
okay
focused
on
open
source,
particularly
aimed
at
the
11th
through
14th
grade
so
late,
High
School,
junior
college
students,
so
I
can
look
that
up
as
well.
C
A
We
had
talked
about
this
I,
don't
even
know
where,
somewhere
about
setting
up
small,
tiny
videos
and
a
learning
path
for
just
onboarding
into
chaos,
so
doing
like
five
minute
videos,
instead
of
having
that
one
gigantic
onboarding
session
once
a
month,
you
know
breaking
those
down.
Is
that
something
we
could
use
for
use
Nebraska
for
or
should
I
just
set?
Those
up
like
because
I
have
like
a
free
for
Teacher
account
right
now:
okay,
which
is
obviously
free.
E
Right,
they're
about
broader
learning,
so
I'm
guessing.
My
argument
if
I
was
to
have
success
here,
would
be
something
along
the
lines
of
you
know
open
source
as
a
path
for
people
to
engage
in
the
tech
sector.
It's
an
opportunity
to
you
know,
provide
a
paths
to
a
more
Global
path
for
people
and
that's
why
we
want
to
offer
this
course
and
so
I
think
chaos
would
probably
be
too
narrow.
Okay,.
B
E
A
E
And
yes
agreed,
we
had
only
just
kind
of
I
had
just
only
leaned
towards
canvas,
because
it
was
something
that
was
kind
of
immediately
available
to
show
proof
of
concept.
But
you
know
when
I
I,
what
are
the
other
platforms
that
are
available
out
there?
That
would
be
like
an
LMS
that
would
be
open
source.
B
E
B
C
B
The
same
reason
why
you
use
a
GitHub:
they
managed
that
instance
for
you
and
so,
but
they
are
always
looking
good,
so
I
think
open
edx
could
be
actually
more
open
to
the
idea
of
maintaining
an
open
globally
available
Research
Center
for
training
on
on
these
kinds
of
issues.
Okay,
don't
forget
the
the
LPI.
The
tlpi
is
more
focused
on
their
own
content,
so
the
Linux
professional
Institute,
okay,.
A
Okay,
thanks
everybody:
let's
move
on
to
badging,
if
we
can
I
should
have
put
this
one.
First,
GitHub
is
basically
announcing
our
project
badging
initiative
with
with
all
in
and
chaos,
it's
gonna
go
live
at
9,
A.M
Pacific,
which
is
basically
right
after
this
meeting,
so
that
will
be
really
exciting
to
see
it
out
in
the
world
live
again.
A
Basically,
the
blog
post
talks
about
what's
a
badging
initiative
is
how
it
works,
vaguely
how
it
works,
and
mostly
we're
looking
for
pilot
projects
and
volunteers
without
building
out
metrics.
So
obviously
we're
already
working
on
that
stuff.
The
metrics
anyway
here
in
this
group,
but
it's
just
so
you
all
know
we've
kind
of
put
a
call
out
to
folks
who
might
be
interested
in
collaborating
on
this
project
and
working
with
us.
So
maybe
we'll
see
more
faces
in
this
meeting.
Maybe
not
I,
don't
know.
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A
E
I
guess
mine,
it's
four
and
it
should
be
maybe
three,
because
it's
not
even
badging
I'm,
really
hoping
that,
like
so
as
a
project
is
badged
by
having
the
dei.md
file.
As
we've
talked
about
many
times
as
part
of
that
part
of
that
service,
they
get
a
report
Sean
that
you're
generating
yep.
What
could
you
tell
me
the
headers
that
are
in
that
report
that
go
to
to
a
person.
C
C
Issues
PR's,
those
are
the
main
things,
but
any
any
discourse
That
We
Gather,
which
does
include
things
like
discussions,
so
you
can,
when
you
do
a
release,
for
example,
open
a
discussion
under
the
release,
that's
not
as
common
as
you
might
hope.
So
for
the
most
part,
it
is
discussion
around
pull,
requests
and
issues.
Okay,.
E
C
The
main
thing
we're
looking
at
is
the
inclusivity
of
the
language
and
the
discourse
in
the
response
to
issues.
However,
we
will
look
at
in
providing
feedback
suggesting
different
ways
that
you
might
think
about
being
response.
Responsiveness
is
part
of
it,
but
it
can
also
include
suggestions
for
using
more
encouraging
and
inclusive
language
as
well,
without
saying
it
that
way,
the
way
it
will
everything
will
be
phrased
and
hey.
Have
you
considered
this
sort
of
a
positive
light.
E
C
If
that's,
if
that's
right,
yeah,
that's
something
that
we
think
the
project
needs
to
work
on,
then
yes,
but
one
thing
I'm
one
thing
we're
sorting
through
right
now
is
how
to
you
know
before
yesterday.
It
was
in
our
mind
that
there
would
be
some
period
of
time
between
the
first
badging
and
the
second
badging,
and
we
decided
yesterday
that
that
wouldn't
be
the
case,
so
we're
pivoting
a
little
and
deciding
okay.
C
Because
a
lot
you
know
we
were
focused
on
communication
inclusivity
in
the
in
the
report,
and
that
is
still
a
focus.
But
we
we
now
have
to
make
sure
that
we
narrow
our
analysis
of
that
and
what
we
advise
projects
to
do
really
more
directly.
In
line
with
the
specific
things
that
they're,
the
specific
metrics,
that
they're
being
badged
for
to
a
larger
extent
than
previously.
We
had
planned.
C
E
I,
just
I'm
having
a
I
just
think
have
a
really
hard
time
getting
my
head
around
what
people
are
gonna
get
in
this
report.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
just
me-
and
it
might
be
just
me
but
like
because
the
report
is
really
just
a
service
that
we're
providing
to
the
communities
that
apply
to
the
badge.
So
we
say:
yeah
we've
checked
for
the
dei.md
file
and
here's
a
report
on
certain
things
that
we
are
looking
at
within
your
repository
right
and
here
are
some
suggestions
on
how
to
address
those
things.
E
Whatever
those
things
might
be
and
inclusivity
of
discourse
and
issues
like
what.
What
is
right
here
like
that.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me,
and
so
you
would
just
you
know
say
like
here-
are
the
things
that
we
can
take
a
look
at
beyond
the
metrics
that
you
have
attended
to
in
the
dei.md
file
right.
So
and
as
you
receive,
this
report
like
here's
here,
are
just
some
things
that
we're
seeing
and
here
are
a
few
suggestions
on
how
to
possibly
address
this
course.
If
you
would
like
to
do
so,.
C
Yeah,
exactly
right
and
and
like
like
I
mentioned
in
our
meeting
yesterday,
things
that
those
insights
that
that
what
we
see
will
not
change
if
projects
are
going
and
applying
for
Badger
the
next
level
badge
the
next
week
like
there's
no
new
discourse
to
tell
them
anything
that
we
didn't
tell
them
a
week
ago.
No
right,
and
so
that's.
Why
that's
why
you
know
we're
we're
trying
to
figure.
You
know
we're
working
on
okay!
C
If
a
project
decides
to
go
through
it
a
week
like
this
badge
week,
one
this
badge
week,
two
that
doesn't
give
the
the
machine
learning
any
chance
to
get
new
data
and
provide
any
different
Insight
than
they
did
a
week
before,
whereas,
if
months
pass,
then
there
is
enough
more
data
to
say
something
or
have
some
insights
that
are
encouraging
or
reinforcing
of
what
was
said
in
the
prior
report.
So
the
process
is
a
little
bit
different,
not
good
or
bad,
not
long
or
shorter.
Just
the
design
will
be
a
little
bit
different.