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A
All
right,
hi,
everybody
welcome
to
the
august
11th
2021
chaos
dei
meeting,
so
the
minutes
are
in
the
chat.
If
you
could
add
yourself,
that
would
be
great
I'll.
Add
myself
here.
A
That
happens
all
right.
Well,
let's,
let's
get
in,
I
will
share
my
screen.
A
B
A
A
C
A
D
A
Could
we
take
just
a
second
and
and
look
at
this?
I
think
the
general
premise
of
this
metric.
C
Seems
like
there
might
be
parts
of
it
that
we
would
want.
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
do
this,
but
that
relates
specifically
to
events
with
regard
to
like
slides
and
things
like
that.
C
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
like
a
piece
that
goes
with
events
or
if
it
stays
in
the
color
blindness.
We.
C
D
A
B
You
know,
I
think
this
might
be
a
different
topic
entirely,
but
I
think
person
first
language
could
be
a
could
be
a
focus
of
developing
dei
metrics
as
well,
because
we
deal
with
a
lot
of
things
such
as
disabilities
or
differences
between
people
and
giving
you
an
example
of
what
you
mean
so
like
this
is
a.
This
is
an
extreme
example,
but
that
person
is
let's
say
that
person
is
homeless
or
you
would
say
that
person
is
experiencing
homelessness
or
something
like
that.
B
That
might
not
be
the
best
example,
but
because
it's
not
too
super
relevant
here,
but
so
the
colorblind
would
be
the
non-version
and
then,
like
you,
say,
individuals
experiencing
color
blindness,
because
it
it's
not
necessarily
their
identity
as
much
as
it
is
something
that
they
experience.
I
learned
this
one
from
a
social
work,
1000
class
and
I've,
it's
kind
of
stuck
with
me
because
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
So
would
it
change
like
the.
E
This
is
kind
of
an
interesting
topic.
I
I
actually
just
was
talking
about
this
in
one
of
my
classes.
Person
first
language
like
you're,
saying
like
puts
the
identity
of
the
person
first
before
like
if
they
have
a
disability,
for
example,
and
so
colorblindness
might
be
seen
as
that.
One
thing
that
was
also
interesting-
and
this
is
why
I
think,
like
this
community
discussion,
part,
is
important
and
maybe
paying
attention
to
how
people
communicate
about
themselves.
E
But
there
were
arguments
going
the
other
way
as
well,
by
saying
like
when
you
list
the
disability,
whatever
that
is
first
before
the
person
it
tends
to
kind
of
spin
it
on
its
head
and
say
like
well.
This
is
a
societal
problem,
not
the
person's
fault,
so
it
kind
of
it
shifts.
E
Blame
air
quotes
around
that.
To
saying
like,
I
am
disabled
because
of
society's
expectations,
not
because
of
my
own
faults,
so
that
might
just
be
something
that
we
could
discuss
kind
of
in
a
larger
setting,
but
wanted
to
kind
of
at
least
toss
that
there's
an
alternative
perspective
to
that
as
well
out.
There.
A
E
So
it's
basically
like
swapping
that
colorblindness
word
with
the
word
individual,
so
attention
to
colorblind
individuals
would
be
the
the
non-person
first
version
of
that
in
a
way.
A
E
On
the
community-
and
so
that's
why
I
was
kind
of
curious
to
see
what
other
people
thought.
Personally,
I
tend
to
sway
towards
person
first
language
right
now:
yeah,
okay,
individuals
experiencing
color
blindness,
but
wanted
to
at
least
acknowledge
that.
It's
not
always
what
people
within
those
communities
prefer
to
say
about
themselves.
B
Yeah,
I
I
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
perspectives,
different
perspectives
that
call
for
different
ways
of
measuring
it.
B
So,
like
you,
you
can
say
like
holistically,
like
color
blindness
within
the
community,
you
can
say
call
up
on
individuals
to
say
to
talk
about
first
what
their,
what
what
the
subject
of
this
is
and
then
I
I
think
the
individuals
experiencing
part
that
I
was
bringing
up
lays
more
in
the
spot
of
like
the
we're
talking
about
the
person
or
or
we're
talking,
or
rather
we're
talking
about
the
disability
of
the
person's
experience.
There's
a
lot
of
ways
to
do.
It
wait
yeah.
B
B
F
I
like
the
approach
of
centering
people
first
in
our
our
way
of
doing
this,
just
because
so
much
of
what
our
work
does
impacts,
how
other
people
classify-
and
I
don't
know-
maybe
it's
more-
maybe
I'm
overthinking
it,
but
I
just
see
that
I
don't
know
I
like
the
approach,
since
we
are
such
a
data,
oriented
or
or
measuring
metrics
oriented
kind
of
community.
I
like
to
center
the
people,
the
human
centered
piece
there,
okay,
just
by
the
nature
of
our
work.
F
A
Okay,
that's
good
any
other
thoughts
on
this,
so
that
would
justin
that
would
lead
to
the
top
your
preference
towards
this
one,
the
one
that's
highlighted
right
now:
that's
right!
Okay!
A
Well,
I
think
this
is
a
good
conversation.
I
really
do
appreciate
you
bringing
this
up
lauren.
This
is
it's
all
new
to
me,
so
it's
a
good
learning
experience.
E
C
F
C
I
wasn't
sure
I
added
a
couple
of
colorblind
simulators
and,
like
checks
that
you,
you
know
tools
that
will
check
your
website
and
tell
these
yeah.
I
wasn't
sure
if
that,
actually,
if
that
provides
the
metric,
I
mean
it
kind
of
does
like
it
would
show
you
where
you
know,
but
it
would
just
be
on
your
website.
A
What
about
like
implementation,
maybe
you
could
say
some
tools
like
tools
that
help
simulate
color
blindness,
yeah.
H
The
use
the
usage
of
tools
like
that
shows
an
attentiveness
to
individuals
experiencing
color
blindness
yeah.
The
usage
of
those
tools
could
actually
be
something
that's
measured
or
a
metric.
H
Where
is
it
at
I'm?
Sorry,
right
now,
it's
under
tools
providing
the
metric.
No,
I
I
don't
think
it's
tools
providing
the
metric.
I
think
it
is.
I.
H
A
H
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
A
D
A
You
think
might
be
good
in
this
regard.
They
would
draw
this
forward.
C
C
A
C
A
We
could
have
it
in
both
places,
you
know
what
I
mean
so
use
tools
and
then,
like
another.
H
Sorry
I
got
kicked
out
of
zoom
and
google
doc
for
some
reason,
so
I'm
backing
out.
If
anyone
was
talking
to
me
or
so.
H
H
All
right
what
what
is
the
real,
real
quick?
What
is
the
purpose
of
the
implementation
section
as,
as
we
understand
it
broadly
yeah?
A
H
Those
first
two
bullets
in
implementation
are
general
advice
to
to
use
colorblind
best
practices,
but
is
that
actually
is
that?
Does
that
actually
belong
in
implementation,
so
is,
is
implementation
about
how
we
would
measure
our
metric
and
how
we
can
understand
the
metric
or
or
is
implementation?
Is
it
supposed
to
provide
guidance
in
this
fashion.
H
And
even
as
a
even
at
a
high
level
in
implementation,
because
data
collection
strategies
is
part
of
it's
part
of
implementation
is
part
of
implementation.
So
at
a
high
level
we
can
say:
hey
usage
of
these
tools
shows
an
attentiveness
to
right
to
it
and
then,
when
we
get
down
to
the
data
collection,
we
could
provide
a
more
specific
example.
H
Of
measuring
usage
of
those
tools
or
or
even
you
know,
using
the
tools
to
determine
if,
if
someone
is
following
colorblind
best
practices,
so
so
perhaps
there's
two
things
we
could
look
at.
Are
they
following
best
practices
and
we
could
use
tools
to
figure
that
out,
but
the
usage
of
the
tools
by
the
community
themselves
is
also
an
indicator
that
they
are
following
the
best
practices
here.
H
F
E
B
So
y'all
got
me
thinking
too.
The
description
is
kind
of
also
stands
out
in
this
case
as
well,
because
normally
I
see
the
description
as
like
a
if
I'm
not
wrong.
I
see
the
description
as
a
paragraph,
and
this
also
looks
like
objectives.
A
Yes
of
the
dis
yeah
right,
so
the
description
is,
is
meant
to
be
like
by
attending
to
individuals
experiencing
color
blindness.
You
can
create
a
more
inclusive
community.
A
You
know
what
I
mean
like
creating
an
environment
where
yeah,
I
think
those
should
so
then
the
description
is.
I
started
the
description
as
an
elevator
pitch
yeah.
I
mean
it
can
be
short
too
right
I
mean
some
some
of
our
metrics
are.
C
I
have
a
quick
question
assuming
that
you
know
the
majority
of
people
who
are
using
our
metrics
are
open
source
project
maintainers.
Do
we
need
to
include
something
about
like
their
own
software
like
if
the
software
is
producing
visuals,
that
the
software
is
producing
graphs
or
or
any
kind
of
anything
with
color
in
it?
Wouldn't
here
too,
we
have
this?
A
A
F
A
C
F
A
B
C
B
A
For
for
doing
that,
so
can
we
hop
to
elizabeth's
psychological
safety?
We
have
20
minutes
left.
A
C
I
think
so
I
mean
if
someone
wants
to
look
at
like
the
way,
because
the
questions
were
kind
of
formatted,
weird
in
the
google
doc.
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
anyone
remembers,
but
I
tried
to
clean
that
a
lot
and
make
it
a
little
clearer.
So
if
someone
wants
to
just
you
know,
give
a
quick
look
at
it
make
sure
it
makes
sense.
That'd
be
great.
A
C
A
A
Once
merged
we
add
an
issue
that
word
stop
I
can't
type
very
fast
and
then
like
it
goes
like
it
all.
Just
comes
out
at
once
and
an
issue
to
the.
A
It's
like
typing,
like
have
you
ever
like,
been
in
a
video
where
there's
like
a
tiny
delay
on
yourself,
and
you
can
see
that
delay
on
yourself,
I'm
talking
about
like
your
eyes,
don't
like
you
look
at
it
and
your
eyes
kind
of
catch
up
with
your
eye.
You
know
your
eyes
are
already
looking
at
the
camera,
but
you
can
see
your
eyes
catching
up
to
the
camera.
That's
like
what
I
feel
like
right
now
typing.
E
A
A
So
ahead,
and
so
you
would
add
an
issue
to
the
translations.
Repo
and
you'll
see
some
in
there
you'll.
You
can
see
some
like
examples
of
just
how
to
header
it
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
It's
pretty
pretty
straightforward
and
I
think,
there's
a
couple
that
are
still
open
and
if
not
just
check
out
the
closed
issues.
A
All
right
so
event,
location,
inclusivity.
I'd
like
to
take
a
look
at
this.
I
feel
like
we're
really
close
on
a
few
metrics
here.
So
that's
that's
really
nice.
This
was
the
one
that
has
been
worked
on
over
summer.
H
Would
you
feel
like
we
need
to
talk
about?
I
just
I
just
put
this
one
together,
oh,
never
mind
no
yeah,
it
hasn't
been
worked
on
at
all.
Oh,
what
we
see
here
is
just
what
I
did
the
other
day.
Oh
okay,
I
retract.
H
This
one
is
this:
one
is
at
the
early
stages
and
the
work
that
I've
done
on
it
so
far
is
to
try
to
distinguish
it
from
some
of
the
other
conversations
we've
had,
because
we
we
started
getting
into
accessibility
conversations,
and
so
the
the
where
this
metric
is
at,
I
think
I've.
I've
scoped
it
so
that
it's
very
specifically
about
event
location
in
relation
to
discriminatory
practices.
C
And
can
someone
remind
me,
I
know
we
had
talked
about
like
specific
things
with
regards
to
venues
like,
for
instance,
like
gender
neutral
bathrooms?
Is
that
did
we
decide
to
put
that
in
a
separate
metric.
A
H
Okay,
and
most
often
that
is
going
to
be
shown
through
some
sort
of
local
government
restrictions
or
legislation-
that's
discriminatory,
gotcha,
okay,
however,
I
I
think
it
could
also
be
visible
in
not
just
government
restrictions,
but
it
could
also
be
a
cultural,
a
cultural
issue
where
certain
individuals
may
not
be
welcome
within
that
this,
the
culture
that
they're
visiting.
A
A
I'm
gonna
pause
the
recording,
so
kevin.
Maybe
like
do
just
a
bit
of
cleanup
for
next
week
and
then
maybe
next
week
we
could
spend
some
time
connecting
thinking
about
how
these
two
connect,
because
I
can
still
merge
the
pr
elizabeth
for
psychological
safety
even
without
connecting
it
here,
because
then
we
have
a
like
that
comment.
You
know
we
still
have
time
to
improve.
It.
A
Yeah
make
those
corrections,
so
I'd
probably
still
merge
this
pr,
but
then
we
can,
without
that
connection,
does
that
work
is
that,
okay
for
you,
kevin,
yeah,
okay,
we're
done
all
right,
cool,
slow
and
steady.
That's
great!
We
actually
got
through
three
metrics
today
and
some
discussion
about
first
person,
language,
that's
good!
So
we
got
attention
to
colorblindness,
I'm
gonna
be
cleaning
that
up
event,
location
inclusivity
or
whatever.
It's
called
right
now:
kevin
you're,
gonna,
kind
of
clean
that
up
psychological
safety,
that'll
be
merged
and
then
we'll
start
connecting
psychological
safety
with
the
region.