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From YouTube: CHAOSS DEI Working Group March 15 2023
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A
I
have
started
the
recording,
welcome
to
the
March
15th
chaos
Dei
meeting.
You
could
add
yourself
to
the
minutes
and
anybody
who's
kind
of
on
while
I'm
doing
this
meeting.
If
you
could
add
the
minutes
to
the
chat
for
the
new
people
who
arrive,
that
would
be
great,
and
today's
question
is
your
favorite
season
of
the
year
mine.
B
B
A
B
You
know:
do
you
want
to
share
it
effectively,
I'm,
not
sure
why
it
was
41.
It
looks
to
be
fixed
when
Enoch
and
I
went
through
it
and
all
of
the
check
boxes.
Weren't
checked
in
your
review
met
for
whatever
reason.
So
that's
why
it
wasn't
a
hundred,
but
it
looks
like
Enoch
went
through
after
he
and
I
hung
up
and
checked
all
the
boxes
and
closed
it.
So,
but
all.
A
So
that
that
from
the
round
of
ossna
applications
that
have
come
in
yeah
seems
to
have
happened.
A
few
times
like
a
couple,
people
have
been
asked
to
go
back
and
recheck
their
boxes.
So
maybe
there's
something.
Would
it
be
possible
that,
like
you,
could
a
reviewer
could
check
all
their
boxes
and
those
would
be
lost
somehow.
A
B
100
when
they
were
all
checked,
so
it
I
think
so.
Yeah
I
mean,
if
things
it's
pot,
yeah
I
think
it's
possible
because
it's
it's
running
a
restful,
API
and
posting
back
to
GitHub,
and
if,
for
some
reason
you
know
your
browser
decides
to
not
I,
don't
know,
send
the
post
back
to
GitHub
or
whatever,
then
that
could
be
possible.
Okay,
that's
the
only
explanation.
I
have
on
that
question.
It's.
A
B
A
Around
and
taking
care
of
that
all
right,
good
and
then
just
kind
of
on
this,
while
we're
here
badging
about
update
just
so
people
know
they're.
There
just
are
a
lot
of
submissions
coming
in
right
now,
with
open
source,
Summit,
North,
America
and
all
of
the
co-located
events
associated
with
ossna.
So
if
you're
a
viewer
thanks
for
doing
the
reviews,
if
you're
not
a
reviewer
and
you'd
like
to
help
out,
that
would
be
great
too
so
anyway,
I
just
I
think
we're
all
kind
of
keeping
our
eyes
on
this.
Okay,
cool.
A
So,
for
example,
it
would
be
Dei,
Dot,
bronze.md
and
then
dei.silver.md
and
dei.gold.md
and
Dei
dot,
Platinum,
dot,
MD,
and
the
reason
for
this
is
because
the
markdown
file
continues
to
grow
over
time
and
we
talked
to
Sean
I
think
it
would
be
easy
enough
to
process
the
four
different
markdown
files,
so
that
shouldn't
be
an
issue,
but
that
was
kind
of
where
we
landed.
So
if
you
have
comments
or
questions
on
that,
you
feel
free
to
ask
or
speak
up
so.
A
D
D
B
D
B
B
A
If
it's
just
to
get
an
idea,
because
if
we're
proposing
two
new
metrics,
we
have
to
not
only
build
those
but
I
guess
we
need
to
talk
about
them
and
then
talk
about
inclusion
here
so
Kevin
do
you
have
a
thought
on
the
process
to
do
this?
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
it
in
the
badging
meeting
in
two
weeks.
D
We
could
we
could
also
bring
it
into
common.
If
the
metrics
need
to
be
created,
those
metrics
we
could,
we
could
probably
knock
those
out
in
common
yeah,
and
maybe
seeing
as
my
my
thought
on
this
is-
is
really
kind
of
related
to
how
we
looked
at
that
the
ospo
starter
metrics
right,
so
that
that
mindset
we
had
with
with
those,
and
so
maybe
maybe
we
get
Don's
input
on
that
as
well.
D
D
D
Right
so
can
I
can
I
actually
get
in
and
contribute,
so
those
are
kind
of
those
four
things
that
would
kind
of
gives
me
gives
me
an
idea
that
I'm
welcome
and
that
the
project
is
is
open
for
me
to
participate
in
right
so
at
a
very
base
level.
Those
are
kind
of
those
four
things
that
that
kind
of
open
the
door
for.
D
D
Transparency,
like
communication
transparency
right.
What
does
that
mean?
So
are
the
are
the
project
discussions
happening
in
public
places?
Are
they
can
I?
Can
I
be
a
part
of
those
discussions
right?
So
if
the?
If
those,
if
that
communication
isn't
happening
in
a
public
place,
it's
not
transparent
and
it
would
be
it
kind
of
excludes
participation
from
a
group
of
people
or
for
a
group
of
people
right.
A
D
A
B
D
A
So
I
think,
let's
just
do
this
in
two
like
two
parallel
streams:
one
is
just
to
simply
help
start
building
these
two
metrics
out.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
that.
That
needs
to
happen
kind
of
on
One
path
and
then,
as
we
build
those
out
and
gain
a
little
bit
of
clarity,
I
think
that'll
help
with
the
discussion
of
you
know
what
this
final
list
needs
to
be,
and
then
perhaps
we
can
to
your
point
like
move
this
and
or
these
two.
A
B
B
A
A
So
that's
that
red
circle
there
we're
also
in
discussions
with
folks
in
universities
who
also
have
University
open
source
program
offices,
I,
think
the
metrics
and
metrics
models
and
questions
that
they
have
are
a
bit
different
from
those
in
a
corporate
setting,
and
so
that's
that
purple
one
right.
There
we've
also
been
reached
out
to
by
folks
from
numpy
and
pandas
about
doing
something
similar
with
the
scientific
software
and
trying
to
understand
the
health
and
sustainability
of
scientific,
open
source
software
projects.
So
it's
a
science
user
community.
C
A
A
That's
really
great.
We
seem
to
be
getting
quite
a
bit
of
interest
from
people
who
want
to
use
the
metrics
and
metrics
models
and
software,
but
don't
necessarily
want
to
be
involved
in
the
day-to-day
workings
of
Chaos
yeah.
And
so
that's
that's
really.
What
these
are
so
I
think
in
the
in
each
case,
in
the
in
the
ospo
user
community.
A
A
So
I
think
it's
important
that
these
user
communities
wouldn't
necessarily
connect
with
the
details
of
the
chaos
project,
like
the
kind
of
the
low
level
details
again
that
day-to-day
operations,
there
is
a
bit
of
a
separation
there,
but
we
would
host
these
sorry
excuse
me.
We
would
host
these
communities
in
the
chaos
project
through
chaos
like
Zoom,
so
this
channel
Google
Docs.
We
would
support
that.
We
can
provide
GitHub
repos
as
needed.
I'm,
not
sure
how
often
those
would
be
needed.
A
A
slack
channel,
for
example,
where
the
conversation
about
Community
Health
really
stays
here
in
the
chaos
project.
The
cast
project
itself
would
still
continue
to
run
and
operate
the
exact
same
way.
I
think.
The
thing
that
we
do
need
as
well,
though,
is
a
liaison
who
understands,
as
ildiko
put
it
real
well
yesterday,
and
the
community
call
kind
of
the
the
workings
of
the
chaos
project
and
the
processes
by
which
the
chaos
project
operates.
A
A
A
I
don't
know
so:
I
I
haven't
I,
haven't
written
down
the
like
the
responsibilities
for
it
that
came
up
yesterday
in
the
community
call
you
know
what
I
mean
like
how
what
the
responsibilities
would
be
and
how
we
would
recognize
that
person
I'm
thinking
it's
kind
of
formal.
At
least
that
was
my
first
thought:
I,
don't
know
what
what
other
people
think
as
well.
E
Yeah
this
just
kind
of
thinking
out
loud
here,
because
in
the
community,
where
I'm
working
with
with
Fedora,
we
have
this
model
where
we
have
a
lot
of
different
user
communities
and
folks
who
are
doing
stuff
with
our
our
project,
but
project
leadership.
The
governance.
We
still
want
to
make
sure
those
folks
feel
connected
and
tied
in
so
and
here's
a
couple
of
ways
that
you
can
go
about
something
like
this.
In
Fedora
we
have
a
like
in
the
engineering
we
were
pretty
large
communities.
E
E
Elected
groups
so
folks,
you
know,
there's
an
election
process.
Someone
runs
from
different
parts
of
the
project,
so
say
people
who
are
doing
and
specific
groups,
so
here
it
might
be
the
University
or
science
or
ossipo
user
communities,
and
so
this
provides
kind
of
a
platform
or
those
folks
who
aren't
doing
that
work
to
have
some
group
who's
connected
back
to
the
Upstream
project.
E
So
I
guess
this
is
kind
of
the
one
one
model
of
doing
it
and
I
like
this
one,
because
it
takes
kind
of
a
downstream
like
pulling
people
from
Downstream
going
Upstream,
which
I
think
can
also
help
level
people
up
and
build
people
closer
to
the
community
and
learn
more
about
it.
I'll
take
those
things
back
to
their
their
group,
depending
on
like
what
capacity
you
have
like.
E
Maybe
you
have
a
ton
of
people
who
can
help
out
with
this
kind
of
stuff
and
are
ready
to
work
with
the
university
in
science
and
ospo
user
communities.
Then
maybe
that's
one
consideration,
but
if
there's
like
a
very
large
user
community,
that
could
be
one
way
like
having
either
an
elected
or
appointed
role
like
the
group
could
select
someone
amongst
themselves
to
kind
of
check
back
in
a
monthly
round
table
with
all
the
user
communities
to
understand
like
what
what
are
what
are
the
common
needs
across
all
the
user
communities?
E
How
can
chaos
help
support
all
the
user
communities
a
little
bit
better
and
each
person
can
kind
of
bring
their
own
perspective
from
the
different
groups
or
different
parts
of
the
you
know,
ospo
or
science
or
university
user
community?
So
that's
one
way
that
we
do
it
in
Fedora
and
I
I
like
that
approach
for
a
larger
Community,
because
it's
a
little
more
decentralized
and
it
still
keeps
that
connection.
So
all
those
smaller
pockets
are
still
active
kind
of
doing
their
own
thing.
E
A
E
C
C
Now
the
the
good
thing
around
this
kind
of
users
Community
it's
like
you,
already
identify
these
three
regions
as
they
keep
growing
bigger.
Then
you
see
the
need
of
other
space
which
could
be
created.
For
example,
if
you
take
the
scientific
Community,
some
will
really
be
open
source
upfront.
Some
will
really
be
one
that
are
coming
to
use
the
space
to
to
develop,
because
a
lot
of
these
communities
are
inner
sources.
They
have
not
really
become
fully
open
source,
but
are
learning
to
grow
the
open
source
ways.
C
Other
corporations
like
Microsoft,
that
we
really
know
proprietary,
but
they
are
heavily
involved
with
open
source
these
days,
so
they
can
also
become
part
of
this
kind
of
initiative
to
gain
so
by
opening
it.
In
this
way,
we
really
get
more
visibility
and
I
think
they
are
the
ones
to
do
like
preaching
the
to
evangelize.
What
we
are
doing
more-
and
this
is
really
the
kind
of
philosophy
I
really
was
I
proposed,
like
I-
was
just
thinking
about
this
year.
C
A
View
was
probably
your
idea,
but
the
Brotherhood
that's
right.
So
that's
awesome
and
I
I
agree,
I
mean
so
I
guess
two
points
Justin.
If
you
do
have
anything,
I
would
love
to
see
it
from
fedora
and
then
I
agree.
Armstrong
I
think
there
seems
to
be
General
agreement
that
these
user
communities
are
ways
for
us
to
get.
The
word.
D
A
B
D
B
A
So
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
scientific,
open
source,
open
source
projects
that
are
not
necessarily
associated
with
universities
and
then
the
from
the
University
side.
I.
Think
a
lot
of
the
questions
are
also
about
how
to
recognize
faculty
work
or
student
work
around
open
source
like
what
would
be
the
metrics
to
identify
that
type
of
work
from
folks.
D
D
D
A
C
If
I
can
chip
in
math
I
think
I
agree
with
Kevin
on
that
part,
but
the
thing
now
it's
from
the
beginning
I,
can
trust
your
management
to
appoint
people.
Then
we
see
how
they
go.
As
the
community
gets
more
involving
more
contribution,
then
they
can
now
go
in
for
election,
because
election
should
really
be
some.
You
know
there
are
several
ways
of
conducting
elections
and
no
perfect
way
exists.
You
go
with
the
condenser,
the
borderline.
All
these
things.
They
have
flaws
bed
appointment
at
some
point
on
time.
It's
just
one
way
of
doing
it.
C
You
can
you
can
choose
some
people
with
the
top
management.
They
will
just
appoint
some
people
from
the
beginning,
give
them
some
assignment
and
some
money.
Then
we
see
how
it
go.
Then,
at
some
point
we
now
come
with.
We
we
see
and
observe
what
has
been
going.
You
give
informed
our
decisions
if
we
are
going
now
to
election
or
thing
like
anything.
We
have
a
Baseline.
D
B
B
A
B
A
B
A
Okay,
is
that
or
would
a
volunteer
or
it
would
be?
It
would
be
looking
at
the
list
here.
It
could
be.
You
know
it
could
be
Anita
or
Mary
blessing
or
Armstrong
or
Kevin
or
Justin,
like
somebody
who's
familiar
with
the
processes
of
chaos,
and
we
would
have
to
ask
that
person
to
attend,
for
example,
the
university
user
Community,
as
well
as
at
least
one
meeting.
You
know
the
Common
working
group
meeting
or
or
the
community
call
to
talk
about
just
those.
C
Points
of
connection
and
just
to
add,
also
math,
I,
think
in
any
of
the
user
Community.
What
whoever
they
choose
to
appoint-
or
you
see
feed
to
a
point-
should
really
have
some
some
skills
or
knowledge
aligned
with
that
Community.
For
example,
if
you
take
somebody
who
has
never
known
how
a
university
is
structure,
yes,
they
kind
of
appointed
addresses
misalignment.
A
A
A
A
C
A
E
E
E
I.
Also
like
what
what
Kevin
put
in
here,
like
maybe
some
like
steering
committee
or
steering
Council
I,
guess
that
might
imply
a
little
more
decision-making.
Authority,
though
I
mean,
when
I
think
of
like
a
steering
committee,
I,
don't
know,
there's
definitely
a
couple
different
ways
to
spin
it,
but
I
do
feel
like
that.
User
word
is
a
little
overloaded.
If
that
makes
sense.
C
B
C
C
It
depends
if
we
want
to
go
with
Loosely
coupling
or
tightly
coupling,
but
from
what
math
has
been
explaining
I
see
a
kind
of
loosely
coupling
where
we
have
a
laser,
so
we
are
not
really
imposing
in
that
space.
We
are
navigating
to
see
how
collaboration
could
work.
So
in
that
space.
That's
why
I
still
see
user
Community
really
like
holes,
because
we
don't
want
to
bring
in
any
form
of
a
kind
of
policing
in
any
space.
D
A
I
mean
very
much
very
much
the
case.
You
know
we
do
need
to
listen
because,
as
the
liaison
I
expect
that
there
will
be,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
new
metrics
and
new
metrics
models
that
that
would
be
requested
and
the
liaison
has
to
bring
those
back.
So
that's
fair,
I
put
collaborative
Community
as
well.
E
A
B
A
A
A
A
D
A
A
D
C
D
D
C
Because
this
kind
of
thing,
if
you
look
into
most
like
Linux,
found
the
Linux
open
source
Summit,
you
look
into
most
of
these
communities.
They
have
a
kind
of
map
that
we
could
say
it's
not
really
inclusive
in
a
way.
But
when
you
go
into
what
is
there
are
some
other
terminologies
that
brings
in
this
kind
of
event
sponsorship.
C
C
Sponsoring
an
event:
if
Microsoft
is
sponsoring
an
event
they
will,
they
will
solicit
a
location
where
their
interests
and
their
they
are
users.
Letting
me
might
be
more
you
it
might
be
more
open
for
them
for
their
users
or
their
investment.
They
cannot
just
say:
okay,
let's
go
to
India,
let's
just
go
to
Africa
South
Africa
for
going
sick.