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From YouTube: CHAOSS Metrics Models Working Group December 6/7, 2022
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A
So
here
we
go.
We
have
a
couple
things
that
I'd
like
to
talk
about
today.
The
first
was
you
who
you
wanted
to
talk
about.
The
collaboration
between
compass
and
Chaos
I
can
just
share
my
screen.
If
you
want
to
talk
through
it
or
if
you
want
to
share
your
screen,
I
could
do
that
too.
That's.
B
Why
is
one
title
so
so
anyway,
I
I
I
just
draw
up
the
you
know
one
slice
to
describe
the
precise
of
the
collaboration
between
chaos
and
compass
and
based
on
the
matrix
model.
Life
we
are
using.
Maybe
later
I
can
share
my
screen
to
show
how
the
Matrix
lab
will
work,
because
we
already
deployed
on
our
test
environment,
but
we
can
go
through
the
slides
quickly.
B
Yeah
first,
you
can
say
this
is
the
quarterly
General
flow
start
from
our
matrix
model
working
group,
and
here
when,
when
one
new
matrix
model
definition
part
complicated,
we
can
I
mean
we.
We
have
prepared
well
yeah
Google
documentation
and
we
can
submit,
as
per
request
to
our
matrix
model
lips.
B
Okay,
it's
all
chaos,
metrics
model
working
group,
yeah
right
here,
yeah
yeah,
just
like
a
regular
process.
We
are
having
right
now
and
then
we
can
decide
whether
it's
needed
to
be
verified
by
Compass.
Matrix
model
live.
So
if
we
decide
okay,
it's
good
to
go
and
because
it,
the
metrics
in
this
matrix
model,
already
include
all
the
trace
data.
We
can
collect
it
from
different
data
sources
and
we
can.
We
can
submit
a
issue
to
the
compass
matrix
model
host
on
the
GitHub.
C
A
B
B
A
B
C
Yeah,
because
this
verified
mean
determining
whether
it's
appropriate
to
add
to
Compass
or
what
what's
the,
what
does
that
mean
verified.
B
Verified
means
because
we
already
have
our
definition
part
done
in
the
matrix
model.
We
know
how
many
metrics
we
already
have
and
the
definition
of
this
matrix
model
and
we
can
use
in
a
compass
matrix
model,
this.
This
person
module
to
writing
down
the
code
to
collecting
the
data
and
deploy
it
with
real
data
and
deployed
on
the
matrix
model
lab.
Maybe
later
I
can
show
that
on
the
compass
they
have
designed
the
front-end
page.
For
that
that.
C
A
A
B
So
you
can
continue
on.
Thank
you,
yeah
after
we
submit
this
issue
to
Compass
metrics
model,
this
GitHub
repository
and
and
within
the
compass.
We
will
evaluate
it's
a
technological
visibility
to
say
if
it
could
be
fetching
the
data
needed
by
this
matrix
model.
If
it's
good
to
go
and
we
can
start
implementation
and
and
finally
deployed
on
the
matrix
model,
live,
that's
the
shortly.
I
will
demo
it
later
and
and
the
when
we
have
deployed
on
the
matrix
model
life.
B
We
can
have
our
this
discussion
around
this
matrix
model
in
the
chaos
Forum,
I
I
think
we
will
have
the
one
forum
for
for
chaos,
but
but
anyway,
we
can
use
like
for
short
and
and
also
Compass.
Like
also
is
the
field
can
have
such
discussion
around
matrix
model
and
and
after
it's
running
because
we
already
performed
the
life
cycle
of
this
matrix
model.
You
know
verified
and
pre-release
under
much
much
after
its
motor
motor
enough.
B
We
will
decide
it's
ready
to
be
deployed
or
Compass
production
environment.
So
after
we
decide
okay,
it's
a
it's
it's
good
enough
and
we
can
deploy
it
on
on
the
product
environment.
The
the
the
difference
between
the
production
environment
and
the
and
the
metrics
lab
is
that
the
data
side
is
a
data
data.
Size
scope
is
different
and
the
matrix
model
life
for
each
of
the
single
matrix
model.
B
We
will
provide
around
10
or
20
projects
to
test
this
matrix
model
and
in
the
production
environment,
it's
it
would
be
deployed
for,
for
all
the
projects,
I
mean
hosted
on
the
GitHub
or
Getty
we
had
in
the
compass.
Currently
it's
already
over
a
thousand
repulsaries.
B
So
after
we
deployed
on
the
production
environment,
we
will
provide
inside
report
on
chaos
that
that's
what
should
be
done
by
our
chaos
members
to
say:
okay,
this
the
environment.
This
is
the
test
result
and
we
have
done
for
the
verification
and
we
we
could
provide
some
real
data
inside
based
on
the
matrix
model,
together
with
the
definition
part
we
already
done
earlier.
B
And
and
after
they
provide
support-
and
here
I
would
say-
and
this
matrix
model
had
finished
its
work
before
release
and
then
we
will,
except
for
the
release
on
the
chaos
we
also
deployed
on
the
compass,
production,
environment
and
I
hope
in
the
production
environment.
B
We
could
add
some
logo
of
the
chaos
to
say
this
matrix
model
is
powered
by
chaos,
yeah
and
yeah
to
to
say,
okay,
this
is
this.
This
mattress
model
is
coming
from
chaos
and
then
and
because
I'm
thinking
in
the
future,
if
we
trade
chaos
matrix
model
as
a
international
standard,
I
mean
in
choose,
and
there
are
not
only
one
platform
like
Compass
to
would
like
to
implement
such
metrics
model.
There
would
be
more
so
I
hope
more
platform
would
would
add
such
logo
to
say.
B
A
In
our
metrics
we
have,
you
know:
metrics,
not
our
metrics
models,
but
we
have
a
header
called
implementations
or
something
like
that
and
give
it
the
the
tools
that
implement
the
metric.
And
we
can
pretty
easily
to
the
template
ad
and
implementations
component
and
point
directly
to
to
Compass.
Because.
B
I'm
thinking
not
not
just
Compass
like
auger,
like
collagen,
more
and
more
other
platform
would
provide
such
support
yeah.
So
they
could
add
implementation,
parts
or
Matrix
modeling
codes
very.
D
A
So
I
had
a
few
questions,
so
it
is
possible
for
somebody
to
submit
a
metric
model
in
theory
that
doesn't
come
from
chaos
to
to
the
lab.
Is
that
correct,
yeah.
D
B
A
B
D
A
You
might
want
to
I
was
thinking
like
here
if
I
don't
know
how,
but
if
somebody
is
submitting,
if
they're
in
this
this
step
right
here,
yep
submit
the
issue
to
Compass
metrics
model
that,
if
it's
not
coming
from
chaos,
it's
possible
that
the
metric
model
might
be
in
a
different
format
than
what
we
use
in
our
template.
We
may
want
to
guide
people
to
to
at
least
have
some.
B
A
A
I
agree:
that's
where
I
was
going
for
that,
okay,
great
and
then
I
think
that's
the
me
one
question
that
I
had
just
workflow
wise,
okay
and
then
the
Insight
report
would
be.
We
would
spend
time
probably
in
this
meeting,
to
talk
through
a
deployed
metric
model.
B
D
Second,
so
we
released
the
metric
model
even
without
implementation,
so
it
will
be
a
two-phase
release
like
release
at
the
without
implementation
and
release
the
last
box
in
the
release
on
the
chaos
which
is
after
implementation,
so
it'll.
B
B
I
think
if
it
is
good
to
be
implemented,
I
think
we
we
are
formed
with
this
definition,
part
time
and
without
any
implementation.
Due
to
some
limitations,
we
would
promote
people
to
create
more
matrix
model,
not
bonding
to
the
implementation
yeah.
But
if
it's
a,
if
it's
possible
to
be
implemented
like
implemented
by
Compass,
it's
it's
good
to
go.
B
It's
the
only
difference
with
these
two
matrix
model
is
that,
like
Matt
mentioned,
and
one
matrix
model
without
implementation
only
have
definition,
and
if
they
have
any
tools
to
support
such
implementation,
they
can
add
implementation
section
into
this
matrix
model
definition
part
to
tell
them
how
it
works
with,
with
the
data
inside.
A
A
D
A
A
It'll
just
be
like
what
was
the
one
you
were
working
on:
was
it
Community
activity?
I
forget
there
was
one
you
were
working
on.
That
only
has
a
definition
at
this
point.
Yeah
like
this.
This
could
be
the
release
of
this
would
be
a
release
moment
right
and
then
it
would.
This
model
would
then
follow
this,
and
once
it
goes
into
production,
or
at
least
we
start
gaining
insights,
there
would
be
clearly
new
folders
that
would
come
with
this
now.
Okay,
that
would
that
would
not
only
update
the
definition
but
also
describe
the
implementation.
E
B
B
B
It's
not.
This
is
the
test
environment.
After
it's
deployed
on
the
production
environment,
it
should
be
either
one
type
here
like
live.
A
B
B
This
is
the
Thai
statement.
You
can
see
the
the
it's
different.
B
And
and
because
currently
we
haven't
had
any
new
matrix
model
from
chaos,
we
use
some
old
matrix
model
to
to
describe
how
it
works,
how
it
works,
and
so
after
we
decide
to
to
verify
a
matrix
model
into
the
by
Compass,
we'll
submit
issue
as
a
pretend
we
already
finished
the
implementation
around
this
matrix
model
and
we
will
deploy
it
on
the
compass
live,
and
this
is
the
area
to
show
how
it
how
it
works.
B
B
We
could
provide
like
a
scope
to
say:
okay
in
this
matrix
model
is
better
to
be
verified,
some
specific
areas
like
AI
machine
learning,
framework
or
database
specific
areas,
or
we
can
run
them
to
select
some
projects
from
getting
or
GitHub,
both
or
I
I,
just
or
I
I'm
only
interested
on
the
projects
available
on
the
gate
or
GitHub
desk
post
file.
So
we
can
select
like
10
or
20
and
communities
or
projects
verify
that
then.
B
Yep
and
the
video
we
will
provide
the
discussion
this,
this
link
will
be
a
link
to
our
channel.
Our.
B
We
can
discuss
it
around
this
matrix
model
and
also,
if
you
think
it's
a
if
you
want,
we
can
add
more
one
more
link
to
the
to
the
chaos
Matrix
Matrix
model
select
Channel
anyway
or
Forum,
so
this
supports
both
Communication
channel
to
be
to
be
available
for
this
live
this
question,
yeah
and
and
also
for
each
of
single
matrix
model.
We
will
provide
the
link,
for
example.
This
is
a
after
it's
deployed.
We
will
add
it
this
as
a
link
and
the
link
bits
are
matrix
model
like
chaos,
definition
part.
B
Like
here
yeah,
so
this
link
will
jump
to
here
to
like
people
to
to
see
this
matrix
model
would
understand
how
how
it
composed
of
the
different
matrix
model
and
for
each
of
single
Matrix
model.
With
with
a
specific
repositories,
we
will
see
the
result
to
check
it,
how
it
works
and-
and
here
and
we
should
decide
on
or
maybe
not
today's
meeting,
but
in
the
future.
If
there's
a
new
matrix
model
come
up,
we
will
decide
how
to
calculate
this
matrix
model
with
different
Matrix.
B
A
And
we
decide
that
we
would
like
to
move
this
to
the
lab
into
this
location
here
like
what's
the
what
do
we
have
to
do
as
a
as
a
working
group
to
get
that
in
here?
Nothing
just
say:
here's
here's,
a
definition,
please,
please
put
it
in
the
lab.
Is
that
all
we
do?
You
know
like
I'm,
trying
to
there's
a
big
jump
between
a
markdown
file,
that's
a
definition
and
and
what
you're,
showing
here
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how.
B
Because
I
I
think
in
our
matrix
model,
OKAY
group
we
can
discard,
discuss
the
verify
result
how
it
works
on
the
different
on
the
different
repositories,
with
we
choose
and
to
say,
and
does
it
really
work
or
to
meet
our
expectations
at
beginning?
We
we
have
intention
to
Define
that
so
we
will
decide.
Is
it
motor
enough,
because
currently
we
can't
decide
as
I
mentioned
each
matrix
model
in
this
lab
would
have
a
life
cycle.
B
So
in
our
matrix
model
working
group,
we
can
decide
which
life
cycle
phase
is
State
height
currently
for
for
the
different
matrix
model,
for
example,
and
this
this
new
matrix
model
at
the
beginning,
it
should
be
stayed
on
some
phase
like
python
going
and
after
we
think
after
we
have
some
wrong
of
discussion.
I,
we
think
it's
both
it's
ready
to
be
released.
We
can
add
it
as
or
Define
as
a
face
of
press
release.
Okay,.
B
Don't
know
I,
think
I
I
think
in
our
Compass
Community,
maybe
I'll
provide
the
first
support,
so
not
just
the
coding,
the
implementation,
but
also
including
the
infrastructure,
support.
A
Question
it
was
just
yeah,
basically
I'm
one
of
the
I'm
just
trying
to
get
like
a
that
model
that
you
showed
on
the
web
on
the
slide,
just
trying
to
understand
where
who
has
what
you
know
who
owns
what
parts
yeah
yeah
that
model?
Okay,
no,
that
helps.
Thank
you
Sean.
Does
this
help
you
too,
with
the
lab.
C
A
C
No
I
mean
I,
mean
I,
think
implementing
the
metrics
models
and
compass
in
this
way
is
excellent.
B
A
A
Is
that
correct
and
we
would
discuss
kind
of
what
we're
seeing
and
how
we
understand
the
results
with
respect
to
the
different
repositories
that
we've,
that
this
is
being
pointed
at.
Is
that
correct,
yep,
okay
and
then,
where?
Where
is
the
decision
to
move
this
into
production?
How
is
that
made
by
who.
B
Er
matrix
model
working
group,
we
can't
give
such
our
decision
that
okay,
we
think
this
this
matrix
model
is
motor
enough
and
they
already
made
such
metrics
model
Expeditions.
Okay
and
after
after
you
in
our
chaos,
metrics
model
working
group
make
such
decision
and
our
Compass
Community
would
decide
when
it
would
be
deployed
on
the
production
environment,
because
we
have
to
also
consider
another
conditions
like
whether
it's
a
mid
to
our
calculation
resources
I
mean
the
infrastructure
resources,
but
anyway,
once
you
submit
a
pull
request.
B
E
Like
yeah
I
was
just
thinking
about
the
the
status
of
the
metrics
models,
and
maybe
we
could
add
that
as
like
a
keyword
or
something
just
so
we
kind
of
check
of
of
it
somewhere
or
or
would
we
want
to
just
keep
it
in
the
spreadsheet
as
a
status.
E
Yeah,
so
we
just
kind
of
keep
a
track,
whether
we
keep
it
internal
or
put
it
out
on
the
website,
but
just
so
everybody
kind
of
knows
where
stuff
is
so
now
where
it
stands
might
be
nice.
That's.
A
A
good
idea,
I
think
the
spreadsheet
might
be
a
good
place
to
start
with
that.
So
let
me
take
a
look
at
that.
A
D
Good
idea,
maybe
maybe
we
can
have
a
drop
down
list
of
different
stages,
and
then
we
can
just
select
the
one
like
this.
Yes,
okay,
okay,.
D
A
Do
okay,
great
I
guess,
while
I'm
here
I'll
just
make
a
quick
note
that
code
quality
guarantee
and
community
service
and
support
are
completed
as
definitions
now
in
metrics
model?
There
are
some
work
that
needed
to
be
done
around
those
and
they
are
just
all
complete.
So.
B
And
also,
maybe,
if
for
the
code
code
is
guaranteed
after
we
demo
it
to
the
many
different
people,
all
working
all
organizations,
we
think
that
this
code,
this
metrics
model
name
it's
not
like,
leaked
closely
to
the
definition
of
the
matrix
model
and
the
natural
Matrix
in
this
matrix
model.
So
we
have
some.
We
collect
some
suggestions
to
change
this.
B
A
Is
easy
that
is
not
a
problem
so
but
I
do
think
it's
ready
to
go
just
based
on
all
the
feedback
we
had
yeah
on
the
inside,
so
good
on
that?
Okay,
great
just
you!
If
you.
B
A
To
make
a
few
name
suggestions
just
post
an
issue
and
make
it
yeah,
you
can
take
care
of
that
mostly
because
I'd
like
to
kind
of
keep
a
lot
of
this
work
going
even
over
break
me
myself.
I
know
that
we're
not
going
to
be
meeting
for
a
while,
just
because
we're
on
break,
you
know
what
I
mean,
and
so
we
can
either
do
it
in
slack
or
through
issues.
Okay,
so
we
do
okay,
so
I.
Just
let
me
stop
for
just
a
second
I'm
gonna
bring
out
share.
A
So
our
our
website
has
been
been
updated.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
been
doing
just
so
people
know
is:
we
have
a
lot
of
metrics
like
80
metrics,
individual
metrics,
and
it's
been
kind
of
a
long
time
coming
that
we
need
to
organize
these
a
little
bit
better,
because
for
a
long
time
the
80
metrics
was
just
a
long
list
of
80
metrics,
so
we've
been
working
through
and
this
is
these-
are
the
topic
areas
and
metrics
models.
This
is
the
context
and
keywords
so
this
these
particular
tags
are
related
to.
A
Community
ecosystem
software-
you
know
what
I
mean
these
tags
are
going
to
place
the
metrics
models
in
these
different
categories,
so
it's
kind
of
where
we
choose
to
place
the
metrics
models,
as
well
as
Search
keywords.
So
right
now
we
have
not
deployed
the
metrics
models
in
here,
yet
we
are
going
to
add
two
more
tiles
one
here.
A
It's
going
to
say
show
all
metrics
and
we
are
going
to
have
another
tab
here
or
a
tile
here
that
says,
show
all
metric
models,
so
it'll
just
be
the
complete
collection
of
if
anybody
wants
to
just
browse
everything,
but
at
this
at
this
point.
So
this
is
all
the
metrics
that
we
have
at
the
moment
and
so
any
metric
model
that
is
tagged
software.
They
will
also
start
showing
up
in
this
list.
D
A
D
E
A
Thanks,
it's
just
it's
right
in
there,
but
I
think
we're
in
a
state
where
we
can
start
doing
that.
Okay,
cool!
Thank
you
Elizabeth!
Any
questions
on
kind
of
what
I'm
talking
about
here
again.
This
is
just
a
way
to
organize
on
the
website,
our
metrics
and
our
metrics
models
and
we're
I'm
pretty
happy
with
how
this
is
turning
out
just
in
terms
of
an
organization
scheme
for
people.
B
A
So
the
last
thing
on
the
agenda
today
is
just
kind
of
the
way
we
work
as
a
metric
model
working
group.
So
just
there's
something
in
the
chat:
okay,
cool
we're.
The
way
we
have
worked
with
respect
to
metrics
in
the
chaos
project
really
prior
to
the
metric
model.
Working
group
is,
we
would
have
different
working
groups,
focused
on,
say,
risk
or
Evolution.
Then
we
would
basically
just
start
the
meeting
by
saying
hey:
does
anybody
have
a
metric
that
they
would
like
to
develop?
A
And
then
we
would
say
yes
there's
this
individual
Atomic
metric
and
we
should
develop
it
and
the
metric
kind
of
stood
alone
that
was
kind
of
how
we
did
work
in
the
chaos
project
for
a
long
time
it
was
kind
of
building
up,
say
the
metric
assets
for
a
while.
This
is
I
personally
see
this
changing
in
the
chaos
project
in
2023,
so
I
see
the
development
of
metrics
coming
from
a
couple
different
places
and
one
is
the
metric
model
working
group.
A
So
as
metric
models
are
being
deployed,
we
have
started
to
notice
that,
like
we
see
deficiencies
in
the
metrics
that
are
available
and
it's
a
requirement
then
that
we
have
to
build
the
metric
to
fulfill
the
metric
model.
So
it's
this
isn't
just
somebody
saying
this
is
a
metric
that
we
need
individually.
This
is
somebody
saying
this
is
a
metric.
We
need
that's
part
of
a
collection
I.
A
Also
we're
also
doing
work
with
some
folks
around
project
badging,
not
just
like
event
badging,
but
projects
to
receive
Dei,
Dei,
Badges
and
Elizabeth
I
see
this
as
something
quite
similar
that
we're
going
to
have
talks
with
folks
in
in
different
groups
and
they're
going
to
say
you
know,
I
would
really
like
a
metric
around
this
particular
component
of
Dei
and
then
it's
going
to
be
our
responsibility
to
develop
them
the
metrics
so
that
it
can
fit
the
the
initiative
of
badging,
like
the
the
approach,
is
a
little
bit
different
and
then
lastly,
I
see
this
as
a
little
bit
different
Umi
and
Liang
and
June
I.
A
Don't
know
if
you
know,
but
we're
really
doing
quite
a
bit
of
work
now.
I
think
it
came
up
in
the
last
call
too,
with
Asia
Pacific,
but
with
the
to
do
group
and
organizations
that
are
looking
for
particular
metric
models
to
answer
very
specific
organizational
questions
and
so
same
deal
I
see
the
metrics
kind
of
showing
up
that
way.
So
that's
kind
of
my
my
lead
in
so
the
question
then
becomes.
A
A
Like
would
we
allow
the
the
Common
working
group
as
an
example
to
develop
a
metric
model
and
simply
contribute
it
as
a
pull
request?
We
would
still
review
it
here
in
the
metric
model
working
group,
but
the
Common
working
group
would
develop
the
metric
model
as
opposed
to
the
common
metric
working
group,
submitting
an
issue
for
us
to
develop
the
model.
You
see
what
I'm
saying
it's
a.
B
Yes,
I
think
I
think
we
should
allow
such
or
be
working
to
be
to
be
available
to
accept
more
recessions.
No
matter
from
the
different
working
group
I
agree
this
this
new
idea
common
group
or
trigger
from
Evolution
working
group.
That's
that's
fun!
That's
super
fun!
We
okay,
because
we
have
to
consider
the
different
background
of
this
specific
working
group
also
can
say
considering
the
time
differences,
because
we
have
many
different
people
from
many
different
time.
Differences
zones
right
against
all
the
conditions.
Okay,.
A
A
And
we
were
just
I
mean
we
would
just
accept
a
pull
request
from
The
Voice
directly
into
the
metric
model
working
group
like
cross,
yeah
and
so
I.
Think,
if
that's
the
case,
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I
need
to
in
the
New
Year
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
in
each
working
group,
showing
them
the
metric
model
template
and
talking
about
what
that
metric
model
template
is
and
where
they
would
issue
a
pull
request
and
just
kind
of
what
the
repository
looks
like
just
so.
We
don't
get
a
mess
of
pull
requests
exactly.
B
Again,
and
also
so,
what
are
working
groups
should
should
stand
for,
should
should
prepare,
except
for
the
pull
request,
template
or
or
Acer
template
I
mean
the
macro
smaller
template.
Maybe
we
can,
we
can
give
some
I
mean
making
some
decision
that
is
ready
to
go
to
begin
to
be
released
or
deployed
or
verified
by
Compass
or
yes,.
A
A
Okay,
so,
but
I
I
will
do
that
it'll
start
in
the
new
year,
but
I'll
be
very
explicit
about
that
and
I
think
even
at
chaoscon.
This
is
something
that
I
could
talk
about
as
well,
that
we're
encouraging
models,
because
I
think
this
is
a
new
shift
in
how
we're
going
to
be
developing
metrics
and
metrics
models.
A
D
Want
to
see
I
would
say
we
have
done
it
in
the
past
also
like.
If
we
feel
there
is
a
missing
Matrix.
We
can
create
a
new
metric
proposed
metric
in
a
relevant
working
group
to
be
developed
and
give
some
preliminary
contacts
or
the
ideas
that
we
want
to
see
the
metric
being
developed
and
then
working
group
has
been
working
on
developing
that
Matrix.
A
Yes,
I
I
think
it
would
be
in
our
best
interests
if
we
at
least
use
the
metric
template
and
yes
provided
it
in
an
issue
or
a
pull
request
to
the
working
group
where
we
think
it's
most
useful.
It
would
just
be
sometimes
starting.
The
metric
is
the
hardest
part
and
and
I
also
think
that
I
had
taken
all
of
the
metrics
that
weren't
developed
yet
and
placed
them
in
the
existing
working
groups,
where
we
think
they
should
be
developed.
A
My
concern
is,
is
that
in
that
working
group,
a
lot
of
context
gets
lost
as
to
what
what
they're
supposed
to
do
yep
and
if
we
can
provide
that,
like
the
description
and
the
overview
just
a
little
bit
of
text,
I
think
it
would
help
a
lot.
A
E
What
we
were
thinking
behind
it
so
yeah
and
I
would
also
say
it
will
also
help
just
ease
the
burden
a
little
bit
on
the
working
groups
who
may
have
already
other
stuff
going
on,
but
yeah
I
know
in
evolution.
We
have
a
long
list
and
so
we're
slowly
getting
through
them,
but
it
would
be
definitely
faster
if
there
was
some
starting
points.
A
I
think
this
doesn't
add
any
work
overall
within
the
chaos
project.
I
actually
think
it
collectively
reduces
the
burden
of
the
work.
To
be
honest
with
you,
if
this
is
work
that
needs
to
be
done
somewhere
anyway
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
little
bit
more
efficient
to
do
it
in
this
regard.
Okay,
great-
that
was
it
so
that
was
that
was
my
last
comment
for
everybody.
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
agreement
on
that,
and
now
I
can
start
kind
of
just
moving
that
and
circulating
that
in
the
chaos
project.