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CHAOSS.Value.March.26.2020
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So
with
that,
as
a
premise,
that's
that's
where
York
and
I
spent
some
time
o
week
or
so
ago,
and
with
that
I
wanted
to
see
where
everyone
else
is
coming
from
and
to
talk
about
what
your
interests
are
and
then
work
through
first
off
concerns,
because
a
lot
of
great
work
has
gone
into
this
group
that
doesn't
need
to
be
lost.
It
just
needs
to
to
be
put
in
the
right
context
and
then
move
forward
with
with
the
mission
that
we've
talked
about
and
and
see
where
that
brings
us.
How
does
that
sound
sounds.
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C
B
D
Yes,
absolutely
and
I
think
one
of
the
primary,
if
we
were
to
you,
know,
flesh
out
the
core
personas
of
who
were
talking
to
I
think
the
we're
at
the
intersection.
If
we
talk
about
value
in
a
way
that
allows
people
to
provide
and
sense
a
financial
incentive,
we're
really
talking
to
leadership
of
Oz
beause,
we're
talking
to
leadership
of
developer
relations
teams
and
we're
definitely
talking
to
the
brilliant
practices
that
are
coming
together
under
the
to
do
group
and
the
sustainability
groups
adjacent
to
them.
D
Yeah
yeah,
but
funny
enough
I,
like
I,
spent
this
weekend
going
through
the
the
redesign
of
the
to
do
group
website
and
was
reading
their
metrics
guide.
I.
Think
that's
one
of
the
ones
where
it's
very
poachable
information.
That's
readily
available
that
if
we,
if
we
kind
of
standardized
and
champion
I,
think
we
could
make
a
partnership
with
them
and
just
let
that
expertise
flow
into
our
metrics
great.
B
So
then,
that
kind
of
leads
into
my
comment,
then,
which
is
coming
out
of
working
groups.
One
of
the
things
we've
also
been
focusing
on
is
not
just
the
development
of
the
metrics
for
metrics
sake,
but
really
thinking
through
how
the
metrics
can
be
put
into
practice.
So,
for
example,
the
work
that
is
going
on
in
the
DNI
working
group.
B
A
lot
of
great
metrics
have
come
out
of
that,
and
right
now
we're
working
on
a
DNI
badging
program
that
brings
these
metrics
kind
of
to
the
forefront
that
people
can
interact
with
them
and
use
them
in
ways
that
have
have
meaningful
impact.
The
metrics
that
are
in
say
the
risk
working
group
or
the
evolution
working
group.
They
are
being
deployed
in
tools
like
grimore
lab
and
in
hugger
shots
on
fire.
So
again,
there's
a
there's,
a
meaningful.
B
It's
not
just
metrics
for
metrics
sake,
but
we're
also
looking
at
how
these
metrics
can
be
deployed
and
have
an
impact
in
the
world.
So
this
is
less
of
a
question
and
more
of
a
comment
and
I
think
you
hit
it
on
your
last
statement,
which
was
thinking
about
how
metrics
the
value
working
group
can
be
meaningful
beyond
just
the
folks
that
are
on
these
calls.
I.
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D
You
fund
this
I
think
so
many
people
fall
short
and
I.
Keep
hoping
it's
a
solved
problem
that
we
shouldn't
have
to
care
about
anymore
and
the
more
I
ask
friends
like
I
was
talking
to
Ashley
McNamara,
now
Willis
over
in
Microsoft
like
how
are
they
doing
it
and
I'm
like
do
you
have
a
standard
tool
set
yeah
like,
oh
god?
No,
no!
It's
still
like
everyone's
still
doing
their
own
thing.
Yeah
I.
B
Mean
this,
what
you're
talking
about
I
think
butts
up
against
one
of
the
Holy
Grails
in
in
open-source,
which
is
actually
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
measure
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
I
mean
a
lot
of
when
you're
talking
about
speaking
to
folks
out
in
the
field
I'm
the
same
way.
So
when
you
ask,
how
do
you
measure
value
or
how
do
you
determine
financial
impact
lots
of
times
it's
like?
Well,
everybody
else
is
doing
it
so
because
something
there.
C
C
Of
the
things
that
I'm
really
interested
in
is-
and
I've
mentioned,
this
in
meetings
fastest
is
creating
a
kind
of
value.
You
prospectus,
dashboard
kind
of
kind
of
modeled
after
modeled
after
a
financial
prospectus
document
right,
which
is
a
document
that
the
companies
create
for
potential
investors
right.
So
it's
it's
a
very
standard
way
of
describing
financial
value
for
for
investors.
So
I'd
really
like
to
be
able
to
create
some
sort
of
value
prospectus,
tooling,
I,
love.
E
Yeah
and
we
and
we
don't
I,
think
you
have
clearly
identified
or
the
what
are
the
components
of
that
prospectus.
What
are
the
measures
of
value
so
somewhere
I
think
we
agree
that
the
dependency
chain
and
distribution
library,
distribution
systems
as
part
of
it,
but
there's
a
lot
of
software
dependency-
that's
not
distributed
to
a
library
distributor.
So
how
do
we
identify
those
as
well
and
where?
Where
is
that?
Where
is
that
software
being
used
and
generating
value.
D
Yeah
very
interesting,
so
if
we
could
just
take
a
moment,
if,
if
you
all
don't
mind
since
I
haven't
met
most
of
you,
could
we
just
take
a
breather
and
just
do
a
quick
round
of
who
you
are
a
little
bit
of
background
or
why
you
care
about
metrics
doesn't
definitely
doesn't
have
to
be
the
whole
history.
You
know,
I
I
gave
up
a
decent
already,
I've
done,
dev,
rel
and
corporate
and
started
out
kind
of
spaces
back
and
forth
in
each
I
found.
D
You
know
some
form
of
a
pattern,
that
of
not
necessarily
the
best
data,
but
definitely
the
same
myths
that
people
will
fund
projects
based
off
pattern-matching,
being
one
of
them
to
your
point,
Matt
or
Shawn
and
yeah
I
really
care
about
it.
Being
incredibly
easy
for
people
to
to
justify
this
so
that
they
can
do
the
hard
work
of
community,
which
is
you
know,
fostering
meaningful
connections
of
people
processes
and,
ultimately,
the
the
codes
that
they
build
together.
D
B
So
well
I
care
about
chaos,
the
metrics
as
a
whole,
so
so
I
personally
have
been
involved
in
open
source
for
a
while
doing
a
lot
of
work
in
the
corporate
side
of
things.
So
this
is
typically
where
I've
been
so
I've,
been
working
with
the
Linux
Foundation
for
many
years,
working
with
things
like
SPD,
X
and
pathology,
so
in
the
license
in
the
license
domain.
B
So
the
value
to
me
I
think
kind
of
goes
back
to
that
holy
grail
thing.
This
is
this
is
one
that
just
has
a
really
hard
time
being
solved
so
I.
It's
also
really
hard
to
talk
about
I'm
finding.
So
it's
maybe
a
little
easier
to
talk
about
risk
or
a
little
bit
easier
to
talk
about
the
evolution
of
a
project
and
what
we
might
look
at
and
so
so
value
represents
that
kind
of
interesting.
F
D
C
Yeah
Kevin
Lombard
I'm,
a
PhD
student
I
work
with
Matt
in
Omaha,
I'm
interested
in
I'm
interested
in
the
different
perspectives
that
people
have
on
value
and
that
organizations
have
one
value
which
which
to
what
Matt
was
talking
about.
Actually,
these
different
perspectives
are
exactly
what
complicate
understanding
value
is
that
we,
we
all
understand
it
a
little
bit
differently,
so
I'm
contra
stood
in
those
different
perspectives
and,
if
there's
a
way
to
standardize
the
presentation
of
metrics
that
can
that
can
allow
us
all
to
kind
of
determine
value
on
our
own.
So.
F
B
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B
D
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F
B
D
B
A
A
A
E
I'm
Sean
Goggins
I
am
associate
professor
of
computer
science.
I've
been
minutes
colleague
on
this
chaos
project
journey,
so
my
interest
is
generally
in
metrics.
I
have
looked
at
value
in
a
lot
of
my
early
work
in
open
source
from
the
perspective
of
how
does
leadership
evolve
in
an
open
source
ecosystem
and
how
does
that
evolution
of
leadership
change
or
act
differently
depending
on
the
size,
scope
and
way
a
project
organizes
itself.
E
E
So
there
are
all
these
dimensions
of
value,
cost
avoidance,
generating
revenue,
balance
sheet
value
for
enterprises
that
that
all's
I
think
revolve
around
the
the
scarce
resource
of
people,
and
so,
if
I
think
about
this
as
a
social
problem
and
what
is
the
common,
increasingly,
the
conversations
I
have
with
people
about
what
are
the
Commons
that
we
are
over
grazing
in
open-source?
It
is
the
people
there
are.
There
are
more
projects
and
more
work
than
there
are
people,
so
I
think
value
touches
all
that.
D
A
Again,
they'd
be
great,
please
my
name
is
gay
arc.
I
worked
with
all
these
awesome
folks
on
this
call,
Matt
being
all
Shawn
Kevin
on
the
unjust
understanding
open
source
and
how
organizations
engage
with
open
source
and
I'm,
one
of
the
cofounders
of
the
chaos
project
and
I
work
at
Peter
Gia,
where
it's
our
business
to
provide
metrics
and
so
as
a
co-lead
of
the
chaos
project.
I'm
always
looking
for
to
advance
the
metrics,
but
then
also
it
makes
my
life
easier
in
selling
the
church's
services,
fantastic.
D
G
D
G
D
G
I'm
lucky
I'm.
First
second,
yesterday
is
my
first
time
to
thinking
linked
in
this.
This
is
this
workgroup,
oh
I'm,
very
interesting
in
it.
Now
in
maybe
no
the
network
is
okay.
I
come
from
Huawei,
oh
yeah,
open
source,
open
source,
the
management
department
and
I
think
our
our
company's
now
is
focused
on
the
open
source.
How
to
manage,
and
we
focus
many
later
we
will.
We
will
release
more
and
more
and
almost
open,
more
and
more
projects
and
I
want
to
hear
to
study
under
to
contribute
for
this.
So
this
community,
okay,
very.
G
D
D
Want
disagreements
are
great
I,
think
it
adds
value
to
kind
of
talk
through
angles
from
from
all
of
them.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
like
if
you
haven't
seen
the
repo
recently,
please
take
a
look
through.
You
may
find
broken
links.
That
will
definitely
happen,
but
the
core
of
the
sort
of
mission
value
statement
twist
was
towards
something
that
states
that
we're
looking
to
gather
metrics
that
help
secure
funding
for
community
work,
and
these
metrics,
you
know
to
add
some
sort
of
specific
scope
around.
It.
D
I
think
it's
important
to
say
these
metrics
are
at
furthest
one
step
removed
from
direct
financial
incentive
to
investment.
I.
Think
a
pretty
strong
statement
along
the
financial
aspect
will
give
enough
differentiation
to
the
value
group
to
make
it
meaningful,
as
a
contrast
to
say,
risk
or
DNI.
Even
I.
Think
some
of
the
metrics
that
were
existing
like
are
meaningful,
absolutely
meaningful,
metrics
for
a
community,
but
I
can
guarantee
you.
It
wouldn't
get
my
projects
funded
in
any
of
the
corporations.
E
D
Yes,
yeah
exactly
yeah,
they
just
want
to
see
those
daily.
Only
active
users
go
up
into
the
right,
sometimes
or
like
literally
I've
github
stars,
as
in
Decatur
I.
Think
there
is
room
in
this
in
this
future
scope
to
consider
the
impact
of
vanity
metrics,
not
due
to
their
substance,
but
due
to
their
value
that
there
is
a
perception
of
an
increase
of
vanity
metrics
year
over
year
or
a
month
over
month.
That
will
lead
to
funding
directly.
D
B
Don't
see
concerns
about
this
direction,
I
think
it's
very
focused
and
it's
nice
to
see.
Ambition
has
two
sentences
where
the
lesson
is.
Basically
it
I
mean
just
summing
it
up.
Direct
financial
financial
and
to
invest
I
mean
that's
the
metrics
that
push
us
in
that
direction.
I
think
is
where
you're
going
here
so
cool
yeah,
so
I
love
it
I
have
well.
E
A
D
Great
well,
if
others
are
agreeable
to
it,
I
think
you
know,
with
the
concerns
in
mind
from
Tuesday's
meeting
started
to
miss
that
I
I
think
it'd
be
great
to
look
through
what
I've
currently
done
like
the
previous
metrics
that
existed
I
just
put
into
an
archive
folder,
they
don't
need
to
live
there
forever.
It's
just
this
temporary
idea
of
like
what
are
these
metrics
as
they
currently
exist.
Could
we
either
reframe
them
to
fit
this
new
mission,
or
do
they
fit
somewhere
else
in
the
chaos
project,
either
in
common
or
some
other
vertical?
D
E
E
B
C
E
One
of
metrics
released
that's
sort
of
our
statement
to
the
larger
community
that
this
is
a
metric
that
you
can
use
and
I
hold.
The
I
hold
this
sort
of
point
of
view
that
once
we
release
the
metric,
we
can
have
all
that
we
can
change
it,
but
if
we
take
it
away-
and
there
are
people
who
have
built
tools
around
it
or
are
relying
on
it,
then
we
become
sort
of
a
not
dependable
part
of
the
metric
ecosystem.
E
A
D
Yeah
and
possibly
naive
question,
but
worth
asking,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
metrics
heads
on
here:
do
we
have
a
methodology
to
knowing
if
people
are
using
metrics
I?
Think
of
that
like
when
I
think
about
features
in
a
product
part
of
the
way
I
like
to
cypher
whether
we're
gonna
end
up
life,
it
is
whether
it's
adopted.
B
B
B
A
Know
what
I
want
to
add
here
is
I
think
of
several
feedback
channels
that
we
do
have.
We
do
have
blog
posts,
people
writing
about
metrics
and
I.
Do
try
to
see
what
people
are
using.
Not
that
I
have
a
systematic
approach
to
this,
but
when
people
blog
about
chaos
and
I
find
about
it,
talk
about
it
or
they
write
about
it.
I
add
it
to
the
news
coverage
on
the.
A
A
D
C
D
A
D
D
B
B
D
C
So
the
so
the
metrics
themselves
are
across
all
the
work.
Groups
are
organized
into
focus
areas
and
then
we
use
we
use
a
goal.
Question
metric
format
to
to
display
them
right
right.
So
the
the
folk
in
the
example
here,
the
the
goal
is
to
estimate
the
value
of
an
open-source
project
he
posted.
So
we
would
then
identify
metrics
within
that
focus
area
that
that
achieved
that
goal
and
then
and
then
each
metric
would
have
a
question
that
the
answer
is
kind
of
a
a
more
specific
question.
Right.
D
C
I
would
say,
I
would
say
now:
there's
okay,
we're
highly
fungible
as
a
matter
of
fact.
That
might
actually
be
a
way
that
we
could
know
to
be
really
really
move
move
some
of
these
metrics.
We
just
we
create
a
focus
area
that
is,
that
we're
not
actively
working
on
and
we
could
just
move
the
metrics
into
that
focus
area.
Yeah.
D
That
the
that's
definitely
like
the
minimum
viable
option,
you're
sure
so
that's
great
I,
think
there's
also
an
opportunity
here
like
there's.
There
is
a
lot
of
meat
in
these
I
think
it
doesn't
hit
like
the
one
step
removed
from
financial
incentive
as
it's
currently
worded,
but
maybe
we
can
take
a
quick
glance
at
each
one
and
if,
depending
on
how
people
are
feeling
we
can
open
issues
on
the
repo
and
work
more
one-on-one
or
individually.
It's
you
to
get
it
there.
B
B
Yes,
so
the
sprayer,
actually,
you
can
see
the
tabs
across
the
bottom.
Those
are
just
the
different
working
groups
mm-hmm.
So
then,
within
value
you
see
the
focus
areas,
labor
investment,
innovation,
value
downstream
value,
so
those
living
wage,
and
so
this
is
where
we
track
the
focus
areas.
Yes,
what
has
actually
been
released,
what
we're
kind
of
working
on
what
I'm
saying?
So
it's
a
waiver.
F
H
B
D
Great
yeah
I
can
I
can
take
that
next
step
and
I'll
I'll
get
on
your
calendar.
If
I
need
me,
this
tutorial,
yep
great
yep,
and
it's
and
it's
in
the
notes
file.
So
is
there
you
know
before
we
move
on
from
that?
Are
there
any
upcoming
release
states
like
intended
or
is
it
on
a
cadence
calendar
cadence?
You
just
actually
moved
to
a
rolling.
B
Release:
okay:
we
as
as
value,
has
a
metric
that
they
believe
is
ready
for
release.
We
make
it
available
for
a
30-day
public
comment
and
then
once
it's
once
it's
past
that
period,
but
all
things
look
good
and
it's
yeah.
Okay,
Eric
just
brought
up
the
rolling
release
the
continuous
metric
contribution,
but
then
we'll
also
have
kind
of
a
rate
regular
release
cadence.
It
occurs
twice
a
year
that
captures
everything.
The
idea
was,
as
we
were
for
awhile
we
were
releasing
twice
a
year.
D
B
D
B
D
Good
well,
so,
if
we
can
actually,
if
we
can
go
to
the
repository
I
added
some
additional
commentary
when,
when
going
through
that
in
the
archive
folder
perfect
each
one
in
each
one
of
these
I
did
I
had
like
a
little
bit
of
an
opinion
why
it
didn't
meet
the
goal,
as
is
but
again
I
think
with
with
our
collective
minds
and
a
little
bit
of
massaging,
we
could
get
this
to
meet
the
scope
or
find
it
a
home.
If
I
guess,
that's
one
other
question
I
have
can
this?
D
E
D
It
sounds
like
worst
case
we're
gonna
go
with
a
better
name
for
orphaned
metrics
inside
the
value
group
and
then
I
think
the
best
case
will
we'll
find
a
way
of
reformatting
this
so
work.
Also,
let
me
close
my
door.
My
partner
and
I
are
both
working
from
home
and
I
think
we're
competing
for
audio
at
the
moment.
C
Ahead,
I
was
gonna,
say.
One
easy
way
to
separate
them
out
initially
might
be
to
look
at
the
perspective
so
for
for
some
of
these
in
here
it
is
very
much
from
developer
perspective
and
if
we're,
if
we're
moving
to
an
organization's
understanding
of
value,
we
could
immediately
pull
out
those
the
way
a
developer,
understands
value
and
move
that
into
a
focus
area
that
it's
just
like.
We
understand
people.
D
We
talk
about
a
developer's
conceptualization
of
value,
it'll,
be
a
question
of
like
developers
want
to
get
paid
as
much
as
organizations
want
to
get
paid.
If
we,
if
we
go
with
that
as
kind
of
the
common
denominator
of
the
goal
but
I
think
there's
a
developer,
considering
value
like
I
think
a
developer
values
quality
right,
like
they
value
code
coverage,
this
type
of
quality,
and
they
devalue
longevity.
So
this
this
type
of
avoiding
the
bus
factor
or
whatever
are
a
better
term
for
that
is
we're
in
a
very
different
context.
D
You're,
like
can
I
financially
survive
on
open-source
contribution.
They
are,
in
my
mind,
I
consider
that
as
an
individual
contributor
thinking
as
a
business
as
themselves.
Yes,
this
is
very
capitalistic,
possibly
American
centric
model
of
thinking
of
it,
but
I
think
we
we
have
to
like
as
an
individual
person
who's
trying
to
make
a
living.
They
are
thinking
like
will
I
get
paid
for
this,
which
I
think
that's
very
well
within
the
context
of
what
we're
talking
about
here.
D
D
C
D
D
And
that
that's
where
it's
a
it
is
a
question
of
what
the
definition
like
who's
searching
for
value
in
this
case,
I
think
yeah
value,
I,
guess
I'm,
seeing
your
point
a
little
bit
more
clearly
now
now
that
I
talked
about
Kevin,
that,
like
as
a
developer,
you're,
making
a
little
bit
of
a
gambler
like
is,
is
the
skill
valuable
enough
that
I
can
make
a
living
on
it?
As
opposed
to
saying
like?
Is
this
valuable
to
get
funding
for
something
to
sustain
the
growth
of
an
organization?
E
In
from
a
developer
perspective,
I'll,
just
you
and
I'll
use
an
anecdote.
Our
google
Summer
of
Code
applications
this
year
are
very
heavily
skewed
towards
machine
learning
and
blockchain
focused
single
sign-on
and
Fontanne,
so
I
think
developers
or
future
developers
recognize
sort
of
what's
hot
I.
Think
security
would
be
another
thing
in
that
bucket
and
they
do
gravitate
towards
those
kinds
of
projects
because
they
recognize
they'll
be
paid
better.
We.
D
E
D
E
D
They
query
the
different
job
api's
and
look
to
see
if
a
project
is
being
mentioned
more
often
so,
the
month
over
month,
growth
in
met,
mentioning
like,
let's
say,
Redis
you're
like
alright.
Well,
maybe
we
should
reach
out
to
Redis
labs
and
try
to
fund
them
a
little
bit
more
versus.
If
you
see
a
decline
like
okay?
Well,
maybe
the
markets
move
English.
H
E
D
D
That's
currently,
that's
not
in
the
archive,
that's
in
the
primary
metrics
one,
because
I
think
that
one
needs
like
a
little
bit
more
detail,
but
it
is
very
much
something
that
funds
or
it
gets
things
defunded
like
a
grew
a
project
to
over
a
thousand
stars
and
receive
more
funding.
That's
it's
stupid
on
the
surface,
but
it
is
a
vanity
metric
that
organizations
are
tracking,
o
King
put
in
a
chat
comment
as
well.
Oh
yes,
a.
D
E
So
I
think
I
think
in
one
of
the
things
I
think
is
point
about
the
LF
and
I
can
use
hyper
ledger
in
to
use
an
example.
Is
the
tools
that
help
the
developers
take
that
project
deploy
it
and
play
with
it
are
super
important
and
hyper
ledger.
Indie
doesn't
do
a
good
job
of
that
right
now,
so
it's
a
blockchain
SSO.
Then
let
exists
on
the
hyper
ledger
blockchain,
but
the
indie
projects
are
very
they're,
not
very
well
maintained
in
terms
of
the
tools
that
the
developers
would
use
to
actually
put
them
to
use.
E
E
D
But
I
I
see
I,
see
you're
going
with
it
and
it's
worth
exploring.
So
if
we're
looking
some,
we
only
have
a
couple
minutes
left
so
I'm
wondering
if
I
could
see
if
anyone
else's
time
and
interest
in
working
through
the
metrics
that
I
have
put
into
the
archive
folder
that
need
to
come
back
out
of
that
folder.
D
D
D
D
D
C
I'm
I'm
not
actually
sure
I'm
not
actually
sure
how
they
would
fit
until
I
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
our
focus
areas
are
going
to
be.
So
for
me
for
me,
the
the
way
to
kind
of
the
first
step
of
understanding
if
these
metrics
bet
within
what
we're
doing
and
where
they
fit,
is
to
maybe
kind
of
outline
some
general
focus
areas
that
fit
within
our
kind
of
our
desired
area
and
then
from
there
you
know.
C
A
A
D
Yeah,
and
so
mostly,
we
want
to
continue
the
conversation,
so
I
personally
care
less
about
these
specific
metrics,
but
more
about
fostering
the
continued
conversation
of
like
how
do
we
dial
in
what
it
looks
like
to
translate
a
mission
into
specific
metrics
focus
groups?
I,
don't
have
a
strong
opinion
on
yet
my
my
mind
kind
of
leads
to
or
chart
oriented
ones
our
business
scale,
oriented
ones
of
an
at
the
end
of
the
day.
D
If
the
metric
meets
the
goal
of
being
adjacent
or
directly
related
to
finance,
I,
say
we're
going
down
the
right
path
so
yeah
to
try
to
be
brief,
cuz
we're
at
the
top
of
our
to
say
like
if
you,
if
you
have
ways
in
which
that
translation
can
start
happening.
Please,
like
let's
continue
the
discussion
in
through
issues
in
the
in
the
near
future.