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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Community Call March 14 2023
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Meeting minutes can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PMDWc6xMe0fNE7shxTK5_HE_ykRBG5w55_Zx5hvzsEY/edit?pli=1
A
C
A
It
a
little
bit
better,
so
the
the
premise
here
is
that
and
I'm
just
this
is
being
introduced
right
now.
So
right
now
we
have
the
ospo
working
group,
which
is
I,
think
a
lot
of
you
know
kind
of
in
collaboration
with
the
to
do
group,
which
has
meets
up
the
the
old
value
working
group
time.
So
it
meets
every
two
weeks
and
it's
it's
in
the
chaos
project
and
we
talk
about
metrics
and
metrics
related
things
as
related
generally
to
corporate
open
source
program
offices.
A
That's
that
pink
or
purple
bubble
over
on
the
right
and
then
I've
been
talking
with
Folks
at
numpy
and
pandas
about
doing
a
similar
user
Community
for
the
scientific
software
community.
So
each
one
of
these
user
groups
is
essentially
a
group
of
people
who
are
in
a
similar
context,
who
would
like
to
use
metrics,
metrics
models
and
software
as
developed
by
chaos,
but
need
some
guidance
and
would
benefit
from
talking
to
people
who
are
also
in
their
context.
A
A
lot
of
the
folks
I
have
a
sense
that
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
participate
in
these
user
communities
don't
necessarily
want
to
participate
in
like
the
making
of
metrics.
You
know
the
actual
details
of
making
metrics
or
the
details
of
making
metrics
models
or
contributing
to
Auger
software.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
they
don't
want
to
get
into
those
details.
A
They
just
simply
want
to
think
through
what
are
the
metrics
and
metrics
models
that
are
relevant
to
their
particular
user
community
all
right,
so
those
are
those
bubbles
at
the
top
and
right
now
again
we
have
one
and
the
second
one
is
forming
and
we're
calling
them
work.
Groups
at
the
moment,
I'm
suggesting
a
name
change
to
user
Community,
each
one
of
these
user
communities
kind
of
that
top
right
part
right
up
here
would
have
access
to
chaos
resources.
A
So
these
user
communities
would
be
located
within
the
world,
the
chaos
world,
and
so
they
would
use
the
chaos
Zoom
channels
they
would
use
Google
Docs.
We
have
us,
obviously
slack
org,
so
we
would
set
up
channels.
Github
repos,
if
necessary,
we'd
ask
each
one
of
the
communities
to
be
led
by
people
who
are
experienced
in
that
specific
domain.
A
So,
for
example,
in
the
osbo
user,
Community
Dawn
Foster
is
leading
that,
along
with
Anna
from
the
to
do
group
on
the
purple,
the
university
user,
Community
Saeed
Chaudhary
from
Carnegie
Mellon
and
Stephanie
leggy
leggy
from
UC
Santa
Cruz
or
is
leading
that
so
they
both
have
University
open
source
program
offices
and
then
I
had
mentioned
the
scientific
user
communities,
as
potentially
led
by
folks
from
numpy
and
Panda.
So
we
would
have
people
lead
these
efforts.
A
C
D
Yeah
I
I
really
like
how
this
is
like
the
diagram
kind
of
like
explains
a
lot
and
it's
I
think
I
looked
at
the
document
you
sent
about
the
chaoscon
feedback,
I
think
a
lot
of
that
feedback.
Kind
of
resonates
with
what
this
diagram
points
to
like
how
other
communities
and
how
user
groups
can
interact
and
use
the
metrics
that
we
create
in
chaos.
So
it
makes
a
ton
of
sense
so.
E
A
So
at
this
point
three
are
the
ones
that
are
kind
of
in
process.
Potentially
Elizabeth
had
talked
about
in
events
like
an
event
organizer
group
just
because
of
the
Dei
badging.
So
a
group
that
would
talk
about
metrics
that
are
specifically
relevant
in
that
area
and
then
oh,
the
other
one
was
Community
managers.
A
So
just
folks
who
just
lead
open
source
communities
and
I
think
there
has
been
efforts
to
kind
of
coordinate
Community
managers
in
the
past,
but
they
haven't
all
gone
real.
Well,
so
maybe
organizing
folks
around
the
specific
thing
of
metrics
might
bring
people
together
to
organize
around
a
particular
thing.
So.
B
C
We,
if
we
kind
of
defined
already
what
the
differences
are
between
these
user
communities
versus
working
groups
within
chaos,
just
to
kind
of
clarify
how
like
how
they're
operating
what
their
goals
are
and
what
the
differentiating
factors
between
them
are
just
to
help
people
understand.
You
know
when
to
create
a
working
group
when
to
create
a
user
Community
like
how
that's
different.
E
Meetings,
the
last
five
years,
I
I,
think
the
working
groups
are
largely
accomplished:
the
goals
that
they
had
to
establish
the
Baseline
of
common
shared
metrics,
that
the
industry
and
open
source
as
a
whole
can
be
utilized,
and
most
of
our
work
now
is
in
the
development
of
metrics
models
that
are
different
by
this
vertical
domain,
instead
of
a
common
across
all
open
source.
So
this
to
me,
it
feels
a
bit
like
a
practical
pivot
for
how
we
organize
ourselves.
A
I
I
to
so
to
your
point
to
your
point,
Sean
I,
agree,
I,
think
it's
a
practical
pivot
of
supporting
folks
who
want
to
use,
as
Ruth
had
pointed
out,
the
metrics
and
the
tools
that
are
made
available
from
chaos.
I
agree
with
that
ildico
to
your
point
of
like
making
sure
we
articulate
the
difference
between
user
communities
and
working
groups.
That's
a
super!
It's
a
point
well
taken
and
I
do
think
it's
something
that
we
would
need
to
do,
and
it
just
hasn't
been
done
yet.
C
The
other,
the
other
question
that
I
that
I
had
is,
do
we
consider
these
user
communities
sort
of
part
of
chaos
or
are
these
kind
of
shared
with
the
other
community
or
organization
who
are
participating
like
for
the
hospital
one,
for
instance?
So
are
the
tudu
group
people
participating
in
a
chaos
user
Community
or
or
is
this
community
kind
of
a
shared
group
between
the
two?
Does
my
question
make
sense,
yeah.
C
A
Yep
and
it's
a
it's
a
good
question,
so
in
the
ospo
user
Community
case
you're
correct
it's
with
the
to-do
group
and
the
purple
one,
the
university
user
community
there's
a
whole
there's.
Another
group
called
aspo
plus
plus,
which
takes
a
look
at
ospo's
inside
of
universities,
so
both
the
red
and
the
purple
kind
of
have
other
established
communities
with
them.
A
A
B
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
I
actually
like
that
we're
taking
this
outside
to
other
communities,
because
recently
I
got
contacted
by
a
design
Community
who
was
interested
in
adopting
the
chaos
metrics
and
what
they're
looking
for
is
not
to
get
involved
with
chaos.
They
just
want
to
deliver
it
on
the
metrics
that
we
currently
have
for
their
community
and
we're
asking
how
they
can
do
that.
So
I
was
kind
of
confused
on
how
where
to
point
them
to
so
I,
just
refer
them
to
Elizabeth.
A
Great
okay,
so
the
at
least
the
first
impression
seems
pretty
positive
from
everybody
which
is
nice.
There
are
and,
to
your
point,
Anita
I
completely
agree
with
you,
like
I,
think
a
lot
of
these
user
communities
don't
want
to
attend
like
the
risk
working
group
meeting
or
they
don't
want
to
attend
the
metrics
model.
Meeting.
A
B
A
And
so
what
I
I
think
a
few
things
would
need
to
happen
in
the
chaos
project.
So
here's
kind
of
put
on
your
a
different
way
of
thinking
about
this,
not
just
from
the
user
Community
perspective,
but
here
internally,
at
the
chaos
project,
which
is
I,
do
think
we
would
have
to
have
Liaisons
from
who
are
familiar
with
the
chaos
project,
attend
consistently
the
ospo
user
community,
a
different
liaison,
the
science
user
community
and
a
different
liaison,
the
university
user
community.
A
A
You
know
like
a
particular
metric
or
a
particular
metric
model
that
might
be
useful,
so
somebody
who
can
kind
of
translate
between
the
the
user
community
and
the
chaos
project
in
kind
of
that
detail
does
that?
Oh
even
things
like
chaoscon,
let's
say
one
of
the
user
communities
wanted
to
have
a
afternoon
session
at
chaoscon.
You
know
like
how
do
we?
How
would
we,
as
the
science
user
Community,
participate
in
that,
and
then
you
know
if
I'm,
a
liaison
or
Ruth?
A
D
A
So
we're
you're
there
I'm
there
Sean's
there
Elizabeth
is
there
so
yeah.
Here
you
are
correct,
so
in
that
case
it
may
not
be
difficult
to
find
somebody
to
take
on
the
liaison
role,
but
you're
right.
We
probably
need
to
Define
that,
like
if
you're
already
doing
it
like
agreed,
we're
all
there
but
like
I
can't
it
would
be
too
much,
especially
if
we
have
six
more
or
sorry
three
more
potential
user
communities
asking
one
person
to
not
only
attend
the
chaos
working
group
meetings,
but
then
also
all
of
the
user
group
yeah.
D
A
D
A
D
Yeah
and
I
think
this
might
be
tricky,
but
you
know
having
like,
for
example,
the
ospo
user
group
came
out
of
like
people
talking
about.
We
need
to
have
this,
this
user
group
right
and
then
the
people
that
brought
up
the
conversation
attend
these
nuisance.
So
I
think
something
we
could
use
as
a
potential
for
bringing
up
new
user
groups
is.
Is
there
someone
like
who
brought
who
brings
the
idea?
Is
there
somebody
to
you
know?
D
E
A
E
You
know
I
think
the
model
that
is
being
followed
to
this
point
is
there's
somebody
either
within
or
adjacent
to
the
chaos
project.
Who
would
like
to
see
these
Olympics
models
pursued
for
whatever
larger
purpose
they
have
in
their
domain.
Yeah
we're
just
kind
of
really
experienced
at
doing
this,
and
it's
we're
a
nice
little
organization.
A
To
help
yep
one,
and
for
each
of
these
to
that
point,
I
think
each
of
these
you
know
for
design
or
event,
organizers
or
Community
managers.
We
find
somebody
to
actually
lead
the
user
yeah
from
that
group
like
it's,
not
one
of
us
like
it's
hard
for
me
to
speak
to
event
organization,
because
it's
just
not
something
I
do
I'm
happy
to
to
like
be
the
liaison
for
that
and
point
to
metrics,
but
was
that
kind
of
your
point?
Sean
yeah.
A
A
And
so
then,
the
the
last
thing
is
this
liaison
basically
I.
Think
in
large
part,
what
what
that
liaison
is
going
to
have
to
do
is
is
listen
in
on
the
the
discussions
that
are
happening,
for
example
in
the
osbo
user
community,
and
if
there
are
new
metrics
that
we
don't
have,
we
need
to
essentially
have
those
developed
in
the
chaos
project
or,
if
there's
new,
metrics
models
that
we
don't
have.
We
need
to
just
to
develop
those
in
the
chaos
project
and
the
way
that
I
think
this
would
work
is
again.
A
I
think
where
we're
going
to
start
developing
most
of
our
metrics
is
via
common
at
this
point,
and
so
common,
if
you
could,
just
like
the
the
liaison
part,
would
just
be
like
articulating
kind
of
what
the
premise
of
the
metric
is.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
a
full
development,
but
just
like
what
what
is
the
intention
of
the
metric,
so
it
might
just
be
a
paragraph
in
common.
We
would
actually
frame
it
out
using
the
template.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
that
wouldn't
be
the
responsibility
of
the
liaison.
D
D
D
A
Think
the
the
lead,
so
the
liaison
to
me
is
somebody
who
assists
in
bringing
that
conversation
back
to
the
chaos
project.
Kind
of
that
bottom
part
here
when,
when
needed
from
a
metrics
or
metrics
model
perspective,
I
think
in
that,
in
the
case
of
dawn,
her
being
a
lead
for
the
ospo
user
Community.
She
does
happen
to
also
be
a
very
active
chaos.
Member
yeah.
E
A
She's
all
I
mean
she's,
just
she's
active
but
I
think
in
say,
for
example,
the
university
user
community,
it's
Saeed
and
Stephanie,
who
don't
really
participate
in
the
chaos
project
down
here
so
and
I
think
Syed
and
Stephanie,
and
maybe
Steven.
You
know
from
Rochester
Institute
of
Technology
would
kind
of
lead
the
conversation
for
the
group
of
people
who
are
in
their
same
context,
so
they
can.
They
can
kind
of
speak
more
freely
about
like
in
in
the
University
setting.
A
D
A
D
A
And
I
think
too,
to
your
point
when
you
talked
about
the
liaison
need
to
specify
this,
but
a
bit
more,
you
know
what
I
mean
and
then
maybe
whoever
brings
up
this
if,
in
also
with
respect
to
the
lead,
let's
say
we
were
going
to
start
an
event:
organizer
like
a
blue
circle
for
event,
organizers,
we
would
ask
the
people
who
have
an
interest
in
developing
this
community.
We
would
ask
them
to
step
up
to
be
the
lead,
so.
B
A
A
In
like
the
liaison
would
sit
in
on
the
the
meeting,
the
science
user
community
meeting,
that
would
meet
say
twice
a
month
and
simply
listen
for
needs
for
metrics
or
listen
for
needs
for
metrics
models
and
then
bring
those
back.
Perhaps
at
this
meeting,
perhaps
at
the
common
meeting
just
saying
here's
what
I'm
hearing
in
the
science
user
community.
C
C
The
point
really
is
that
they
are
kind
of
experts
in
how
chaos
works
like
while
the
processes
are
what's
happening
in
this
community,
so
they
don't
have
to
be
experts
necessarily
on
the
particular
metrics
even
and
the
the
conversations
that
the
user
Community
is
focusing
on.
But
when
something
new
is
coming
up
or
there's
an
interest
in,
oh,
we
don't
think
we
have
a
metric
for
this.
Then
the
liaison
knows
where
to
bring
up
that
need
like
what
to
tell
the
user
Community
lead
as
well
as
participants
in
terms
of
oh
hey.
C
If
you
fill
out
this
template,
then
you
know
we
can
start
a
conversation
in
terms
of
adding
that
metric.
So
it's
more
about
making
sure
that
there's
a
connection
and
communication
between
the
user
community
and
the
chaos
project,
contributors
and
team
members,
as
opposed
to
saying
they
have
to
lead
the
the
project
or
any
of
the
activities
of
themselves.
C
E
A
E
B
A
A
D
E
D
D
A
So
I
think
a
couple
kind
of
high-level
things
that
came
out
for
me
from
these
notes
were
metrics
and
metrics
models.
There
seemed
to
be
a
series
of
requests
for
different
metrics
and
metrics
models,
so,
for
example,
determine
business
value
from
a
project.
Like
seems
like
a
model
to
me.
You
know
what
I
mean,
like
so
I
think
we
can
bring
these
forward
or
at
least
start
documenting
in
metrics
models,
working
groups,
code,
quality
test
coverage
and
repos
software
license
compliance
between
repos
metric
metric
metric,
I.
D
B
D
B
B
D
B
A
A
You
interpret
them,
and
these
are
the
things
you're
looking
for,
so
we
actually
start
kind
of
weighing
in
on
on
metrics
and
probably
what
you
should
be
looking
for
so
I
feel
like.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
data
science
talk
through
here
as
well,
and
then
there
always
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
just
help.
Help
help
these
communities
and
organizations
filter
through
the
large
number
of
metrics
that
are
available
in
kind
of
easy.
First
steps
for
folks.
A
A
Probably
so
Ruth
I
am
what
I
wanted
to
do.
I
had
put
in
the
minutes
that
I'd
like
to
write
a
blog
post
against
these,
but
probably
need
to
organize
them
a
little
bit
more
because
this
was
just
the
first
pass.
I
did
yesterday,
and
so
the
blog
post
would
show
everything
it'd
be
like
here's
everything
that
we
that
we
heard.
A
But
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
highlight
you
know,
maybe
two
or
three
or
four
of
these
things
as
things
that
we
are
currently
doing
in
the
chaos
project
and
here's
how
we're
doing
them
and
things
that
we
would
like
to
do
in
the
chaos
project
and
here's
how
we
propose
to
do
them
so
for
ex.
For
example,
we
could
probably
pick
out
a
couple
of
these
and
tie
them
to
the
user
communities
that
we
just
talked
about.
A
D
A
Could
yeah
I
mean
I
can
maybe
what
I'll
do
is
I'm
just
I'm
going
to
keep
going
through
this
data
and
I'll
start
kind
of
compressing
things
together.
Around
particular
topics
like
this
seems
to
be
a
metric
and
here's
all
the
things
that
are
metricy.
This
seems
to
be
a
metric
model.
Here's
all
the
things
that
are
metric
modely.