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CHAOSS.Community.October.6.2020
A
All
right
welcome
to
the
chaos
monthly
meeting.
It's
good
to
see
everybody,
so
the
agenda
is
in
in
the
minutes
today
and
we
can
kind
of
talk
through
this
today.
So
last
time
we
had
stephen
jacobs
who
was
on
and
he's
on
again
today.
So
hello
steven
he's
typing
himself
into
the.
Thank
you
very
much
so
stephen's
at
rit
he's
ronchester
institute
of
technology
and
he's
part.
B
A
A
B
A
D
D
The
students
really
enjoyed
doing
humanitarian
work
and
doing
open
source
work,
and
so
we
eventually
at
their
requests,
kept
adding
more
more
courses
and
eventually
a
minor
in
open
source.
That's
the
first
academic
minor
in
the
country,
and
you
can
find
a
lot
of
the
links
to
what
I'm
talking
about
on
the
open
at
rit
webpage
about.
D
So
out
of
that,
out
of
that
set
of
courses
grew
essentially
a
three-legged
stool
of
a
program,
one
that
has
educational
courses
on
the
academic
side
and
one
that
has
experiential
education,
built
into
it.
On
the
informal
education
side,
hackathons
events
speaker
series
stuff
like
that,
and
then
the
third
piece
was
rit
is
what's
called
cooperative
education
school.
D
So
we
created
an
open
source
internship
program
focused
on
humanitarian
organizations.
So
when
I
have
money
or
a
humanitarian
organization
has
money,
I
connect
them
up
with
students
to
do
work
and
over
the
years
that
has
evolved
from
just
hiring
out
a
kid
to
do
some
more
software
engineering
for
somebody
to
actually
being
focused
on
community
engagement
and
community
management
and
that
those
sets
of
co-ops
kind
of
grew
into
something.
D
We
call
libre
core
which,
from
april
to
april
over
the
last
two
years
last
year,
had
a
contract
with
unicef
to
mentor
their
humanitarian
startups
that
have
to
agree
to
open
source
their
products
as
part
of
the
requirements
for
getting
the
funding
from
unicef.
So
we
mentored
a
bunch
of
students
and
there's
a
we
met
at
a
bunch
of
their
innovation
teams
on
how
to
try
to
prepare
their
pipelines
and
their
projects
to
welcome
a
community
and
get
them
engaged
in
the
open
source
way,
etc,
etc.
D
D
Some
of
that
is
getting
getting
metrics
going
like
like
pretty
much
all
universities.
We,
we
have
no
idea
what
anybody's
doing,
because
faculty
are
these
independent,
impossible
control
or
to
discipline
individuals.
I
say
that
speaking
is
one
who
is
impossible,
control
or
or
manage
or
discipline
as
they
found
out
over
the
last
25
years
or
so
so
we
have
this
kind
of
wild
west
environment.
D
On
the
one
hand,
on
the
other
hand,
we
have
something
like
a
more
traditional
software
business
and
that
you
know
the
staff
and
faculty
under
the
cio's
office
and
in
the
it
organization
are,
you
know
they
get
told
what
to
do
and
they
have
to
listen
so
when
it
comes
to
starting
to
do
discovery
on.
What's
the
university's
impact
on
open
source,
open
hardware,
open
data,
etc,
etc.
D
E
E
D
D
D
A
So
that's
great!
If
so,
let
me
can
I
hop
in
here
for
a
second
yes,
so
we
have
a
variety
of
things
we
do
need
to
get
through
today.
So
so
I
from
from
talking
to
steven-
and
I
think,
what's
happening
at
rit
and
also
ospos-
have
sprung
up
at
johns
hopkins
and,
I
think
liro.
I
don't
know
you're
familiar
with
the
irish
software
institute,
l-e-r-o,
it's
a
consortium
of
like
university
of
limerick,
university
in
galway,
university
in
cork,
and
I
think.
A
D
Yeah,
officially,
we
have
one
right
is
hopkins
and
because
hopkins
is
an
r1,
this
is
my
interpretation.
They
don't
have
a
they.
Don't
have
really
anything
out
there
broadly
publicly
that
they're
doing
it.
They've
decided
to
do
it
internally,
but
it
feels
to
me
like
they're,
taking
kind
of
the
approach
of
when
it's
perfect
will
release
right,
which
is
one
way
open.
Source
works.
Sure.
D
A
I
think
the
connection
here
with
the
chaos
project
is:
do
we
want
to
spend
time
in
in
the
project?
Is
this
a
worth
something
worthy
to
take?
A
look
at,
as
is
the
metrics
that
would
help
reveal
community
health
from
an
academic
perspective.
So
what
academic
institutions
would
look
at
from
a
health
perspective
is
in
probably
quite
different
than
what
we
might
look
at
from
a
corporate
perspective.
So
do
we
wanna
to
have
this
connection?
I
I
think
it's
a
good
one.
I
think
there
are
organizations
beyond
even
what
stephen
has
talked
about.
A
I
know
that
the
chan
zuckerberg
initiative
is
very
interested
in
scientific
software,
so
they
do
a
lot
of
funding
of
open
source
scientific
software,
which
is
kind
of
falls
into
space
as
most
of
the
people
that
run
those
projects
are
academics.
So
does
anybody
have
any
comments
on
on
kind
of
this?
Looking
at
at
community
health?
From
this
perspective,.
E
E
B
I
just
think
technically,
it
will
also
depend
on
the
domain
knowledge,
but
academically.
It
will
only.
What
we
have
done
so
far
is
just
to
put
it
in
a
higher
level
of
abstraction
so
that
we
don't
tie
it
down
to
a
particular
use
case,
because
if,
if
I
understand
very
well
when
academics
are
looking
into
something
like-
let's
say
an
industrial
practice,
they
always
try
to
generalize
it.
B
You
see
so
a
matrix
building
up
a
particular
observable
fact
or
if
they
want
to
build
a
hypothesis,
they
try
to
see
okay.
Now,
it's
so
good,
it
happens
with.
Let's
say
facebook,
it's
happening
with
google.
So
what?
How
can
you
generalize
it
to
this
giving
situation?
Or
things
like
that?
So
I
think
it's
just
the
level
of
abstraction
at
this
point.
B
A
F
That's
also
going
to
happen
in
an
academic
standpoint,
but
the
academic
standpoint
is
also
sitting
in
a
very
special
and
possibly
precarious
spot
where
it
has
to
collect
information
from
multiple
different
circles,
multiple
different
spheres
and
then
use
that
information
in
order
to
abstract
and
build
on
research
and
then
go
and
confirm
that
data.
So
not
only
do
they
have
to
further
abstract
information
that
they
receive.
They
then
have
to
go,
be
able
to
validate
and
confirm
it
on
a
more
specific
level.
A
A
I
like
the
term
that
venya
used,
which
was
metric
suite,
trying
to
think
about
what
is
currently
available
as
developed
in
the
chaos
project.
I
think
this
is
what
you
were
going
at
venia
like
what
do
we
have
even
that's
in
front
of
us
at
this
abstract
level
that
could
be
brought
together
in
a
meaningful
way
and
what
may?
What?
What
might
we
be
missing
as
well,
because,
obviously,
everything
that
of
the
40,
some
odd
metrics,
that
we've
developed?
Not
everything
is
we
probably
don't
have
full
coverage
that
you
would
want
to
see.
D
D
A
B
B
We
should
also
remember
that
metrics
is
different
from
implication
like
validation,
control,
and
things
like
that
matrix
is
just
like
putting
your
eyeglass
or
your
binocular
to
look
on
something
what
you
capture,
what
you
do
after
what
in
that
is
quite
different.
I
remember
a
paper
we
submitted
to
one
jonah
txe.
B
Then
lucky
enough
on
this
reporter
we
got
the
paper
by
tom
zimmerman
who
actually
defined
or
described,
gave
his
rationale
for
productivity,
contrary
to
what
the
reviewers
were
even
claiming,
and
we
just
sent
that
definition.
Tom
zimmerman
is
a
household
name
and
the
reviewer
said:
oh,
they
had
anyway,
they
accepted
our
they
finished
and
we
based
some
of
the
metrics
from
kia's
project.
B
So
some
of
some
well
just
to
say
convincing
the
academic
world,
it's
very
controversial
if
we
focus
on
building
concrete
matrixes,
like
what
brochure
said
and
see
how
we
could
apply
it
on
real
time
project,
then
at
least
we've
given
a
lot
of
justification
for
our
rationales.
The
rest
is
your
individual
argument.
Why
and
how
you
are
applying
it
to
implementing
it.
G
E
A
I
think
it's
a
conversation
all
right.
Well,
thank
you,
everybody
for
the
feedback
and
thanks
for
the
description.
This
is
great,
so
I'm
looking
at
the
minutes
that
got
a
lot
bigger
during
this
conversation,
I'll
figure
out
where,
where
we're
at
here,
so
I
think
from
a
minutes
perspective.
Oh,
I
think
we're
on
the
change
request
issue
so
sean
this
was
the
point
around
yeah
reviews.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
this
and
then
sure
it'd
be
great
to
leave
here
with
kind
of
a
yeah.
E
In
short,
many
people
report
seeing
the
name
reviews
in
our
metrics
list
and
thinking
it's
a
code
review
instead
of
a
pull
request
or
a
merge
request,
and
we
looked
at
gitlab,
git
hub
and
oh
garrett,
and
we
talked
in
depth
with
ildico
about
garrett
and
how
it
works,
and
I
think
they
use
the
term
change
request,
and
I,
and
so
what
the
what
the
evolution
working
group
wants
to
do.
In
short,
is
disambiguate
code
reviews
from
these
kinds
of
change
requests
and
so
to
change.
E
The
name
of
what
we're
currently
calling
reviews
to
change
requests
is,
is
our
proposed
name
and
during
the
discussion
two
monthly
meetings
ago
there
wasn't
consensus.
There
was
some
thinking
that
that
reviews
was
plenty
clear.
The
feedback
we've
gotten
in
our
working
group
is
that
that's
not
the
case,
and
so
I
just
want
to
throw
the
question
open.
A
So
the
request
is
to
move.
I
just
put
a
link
in
the
chat
for
everybody,
just
for
a
little
bit
of
context
as
to
how
reviews
is
currently
being
used
within
metrics
and
to
sean's
point
that
the
term
review
was
it
wasn't,
locating
people
precisely
where
they
wanted
people
to
be
located
right.
So
right,
so
I
think
sean
is
proposing
or
not
just
sean,
but.
A
So
does
anybody
have
any
thoughts,
just
find
and
replace
reviews
with
change
requests,
and
I
think
there's
three
of
them.
I
get
a
thumbs
up
double
thumbs
up
from
amy
yeah
yeah.
It
looks
good,
okay,
okay,
sophia.
Did
you
give
a
thumbs
up
too?
I
thought
so.
I
got
another
corner
of
my
eye.
All
right,
cool
matt
thumbs
up
all
right,
so
it
sounds
like
there's.
H
Sponsor
out
there
that
when
I
think
of
a
pr,
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
change
is
required,
but
I
guess
it
is
a
change
of
the
source
repository
that
is
being
reviewed
and
will
merge
or
not.
So
it
just
took
me
a
second
to
get
to
the
full
context
there
but
yeah.
It
certainly
sounds
more
straightforward
than
review.
So
it's
a
tricky.
A
A
I
think
it
only
shows
up
in
evolution,
but
maybe
we'll
ask
each
of
the
working
groups
just
to
double
check
each
of
their
metrics.
If
the
term
review
is
used
in
such
a
way
that
it
should
be
changed,
so
just
should
we
gayorg
would
be.
Is
that
a
change
that
we
can
just
make
and
merge,
or
should
we
do
a
comment
period.
G
E
E
We'll
start
creating
a
process
yeah.
What
we'll
do
is
we'll
create
pull
requests
to
change
the
metrics
where
the
term
review
is
used
in
place
of
change,
request
and
open
those
metrics
up
for
review.
There
will
be
a
couple
of
pull
requests
outside
the
evolution
working
group
where
the
term
reviews
has
been
used,
but
I'll
take
help.
The
evolution
working
group
will
take
care
of
that.
Thank
you.
A
G
Aware
that
the
hacktoberfest
rules
have
changed,
and
so
as
we
are
participating
in
this
as
auger
grimoire
lab
and
maybe
even
with
some
of
our
working
groups,
there
are
additional
steps
that
we
as
maintainers
have
to
do
to
get
everyone
who
wants
to
participate
and
get
the
benefits
of
oktoberfest
to
accommodate
that.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
label
our
repositories
and
issues
pull
requests
correctly.
With
these
new
roles.
A
E
A
C
Been
here
since
the
beginning,
I
went
to
the
first
meetings
in
los
angeles,
yeah
and
I've
just
always
been
a
fan
of
what
we've
been
doing,
and
I
remember
some
of
those
first
conversations
when
they
said
diversity
and
like
half
the
people
were
talking
about
diversity
of
the
project
and
the
other
half
of
the
people
were
talking
about
diversity
and
inclusion.
So
we've
come
a
really
long
way
on
that
and
what
our
metrics
stand
for.
So
I'm
excited
to
take
a
new
role
in
the
community.
E
C
B
A
C
B
B
J
B
B
B
He
heard
about
chaos
and
now
started
pointing
his
students
like
okay,
you
guys
could
cite
some
of
the
metrics.
They
are
good.
I've
seen
it
and
he
really
gave
good
comment
at
the
end
of
it
and
most
of
works.
We
have
been
doing
here.
I
really
consume
them
and
I
think
I'm
one
of
the
first
consumers
of
the
year's
project
is
in
terms
of
ecosystem
health,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
have
I'm
measuring
the
health
of
ecosystems
such
as
openstack
cube
ethics,
google
and
many
others.
B
A
A
A
J
I
can
talk
about
well
I'll,
let
other
people
talk
about
dni
if
you
want,
but
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
badging
program.
If
that's
necessary
here,
okay,
we
are
starting
a
track,
there's
actually
a
suggestion
from
roots.
I
think
we're
starting
a
track
for
outreach
for
the
dna
badging
program.
So
I'm
going
to
be
sending
out
some
emails
to
some
regulars
in
the
badging
program,
but
also
I'll
drop.
J
My
email
here
for,
if
you
want
to
get
involved
with
reaching
out
and
we've
got
a
template
built,
we've
got
all
kinds
of
other
help.
We
can
provide
for
getting
started
with
the
outreach
on
dni
badging,
but
it's
just
basically
sending
an
emails
to
people
who
are
running
or
or
boards
committees
that
are
running
a
an
event
and
asking
if
they'd
like
to
apply
that's
it.
A
A
E
A
G
A
H
Well,
that
was
a
good
setup
for
me
to
say
ditto
for
value
what
matt
just
explained:
yeah
we're
iterating
on
metrics
in
progress
popularity
being
the
most
popular
one
right
now,
depending
on
your
definition
of
popularity,
which
we
are
currently
going
through.
If
that
sounds
interesting,
join
us
and
then
the
word
for
the
scms
breaking
into
a
project
which
looks
like
I
missed
an
amazing
conversation
there.
So
I'm
gonna
plan
to
watch
the
video.
A
Yeah,
that
kind
of
stuff-
I
think
the
the
other
thing
with
value
matt-
is
folks
from
unicef
joined
the
last
value.
Call
nice,
okay
yeah.
So
I
part
of
what
I
think
we
have
to
think
about
with
value
is
like
how
kind
of
like
when
steven
was
on
like
how
we
make
that
connection
meaningful
for
the
value
working
group
and
for
unicef
right.
So
how
can
we
find
digital
public
goods?
Yes,
I
can
never
remember
that,
but
how
we
can
find
a
point
of
connection
that
is
beneficial
to
both.
A
F
F
G
On
the
app
ecosystem,
we
are
we
wrapped
up
the
event
organizer
role,
so
the
approach
we
are
taking
in
this
working
group
is
really
finding
metrics.
That
will
be
interesting
to
different
roles
in
a
large
ecosystem
of
projects
and
we
focus
on
the
event
organizer
first,
so
we
finished
that
up
and
we
finished
a
blog
post
this
week
and
we
will
publish
that
soon.
I'm
happy
to
share
that
with
you
up
front.
Let
me
pull
that.
A
G
G
B
A
E
A
E
Think
we're
doing
that.
We
closed
a
couple:
pull
requests
one
reorganizing,
getting
some
old
stuff,
another
updating
for
more
lab
links,
and
we
created
some
dependency
metrics
in
the
spreadsheet.
I
recognize
we
recognize
that
dependencies
are
an
issue
that
span
the
project
more
than
one
working
group
may
work
on
those
and
we
added
some
metrics
about
branch
lifecycle.
E
G
A
A
Brace
yourself,
this
is
coming
soon
in
nine
months
so
or
it
happened
already,
so
it
looks
like
it's
working.
We're
just
gonna
give
some
lead
time
there.
The
community
reports
we're
having
some
issues
around
images.
So
one
of
the
things
we
ask
for
is:
we
request
images
for
a
community
report
to
be
built,
but
for
some
reason,
the
combination
of
different
image
types
and
different
browser
types.
Only
one
of
the
images
was
coming
across
like
a
certain
browser
and
a
certain
image.
A
So
you
have
a
dependency
list,
that's
built
in
in
json,
and
then
what
the
the
tool
will
do
is
basically
take
this,
this
list
of
dependencies
that
you're
interested
in
and
look
at
all
of
the
repositories
of
those
dependencies
to
see.
If
there's
any
issues
that
are
marked,
as
you
know,
good
first
issue
easy
issue
to
solve
and
it's
a
way
to
try
to
encourage
developers
to
identify
projects
that
they're
dependent
on
right
kind
of
yeah.
B
A
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
around
this
dependency
thing
is
kind
of
start
building
a
matrix
of
of
I'm
always
distracted
by
cats,
build
a
matrix
of
any
animal.
I
have
a
gathering
view,
so
I
see
everybody
so
so
build
kind
of
a
matrix
of
what
are
our
current
set
of
dependency
tools
out
there
that
are
even
available
in
the
world
and
what
kind
of
that
can
be
a
horizontal
set
of
rows
and
then
across
the
top?
What
issues
do
these
tools
help
with?