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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Community Call Feb 14, 2023
Description
Minutes from this meeting can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PMDWc6xMe0fNE7shxTK5_HE_ykRBG5w55_Zx5hvzsEY/edit?pli=1#
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All
right
so
because,
even
though
we
just
did
chaos
con
last
week,
we
have
the
next
chaoscon
coming
up
soon,
ish
soonish,
so
we
are
gonna.
Do
the
thing
that
we
do
where
we
chop
the
meeting
in
half
ish
and
take
the
first
30
minutes
for
our
regular
agenda.
Take
the
second
20
minutes
for
the
chaoscon
planning
and
just
a
reminder
to
everybody.
A
All
of
our
chaos
meetings
are
under
our
chaos,
code
of
conduct.
So
keep
that
in
mind,
and
also
you
do
not
need
to
have
your
camera
on.
We
love
you.
If
you
have
it
off,
it's
totally
fine,
and
the
third
thing
is
that
this
is
our
weekly
Community
call.
So
the
purpose
of
this
meeting
is
for
us
to
just
you
know,
catch
up
with
each
other
talk
about
Community,
Wide
issues,
updates
announcements,
that
kind
of
thing.
So
that's
why
you're
here?
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If
this
is
not
the
meeting
You're
Expecting,
then
you
can
just
go
check
your
email
or
you
can
hang
out
with
us
too.
That's
totally
fine
all
right
if
you've
not
put
your
name
in
the
agenda
and
you'd
like
to
do
that,
we
can
make
a
few
more
spots
for
you.
Please
tell
us
what
part
of
your
day
you
would
skip.
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A
So
we
started
a
thread
on
discourse
to
just
talk
about
this.
We
can
also
talk
about
it
here,
the
other
option,
because
it's
like
a
little
bit
out
of
our
wheelhouse
a
little
bit,
but
maybe
just
we
have
some
resources
and
point
people
who
are
super
new
to
open
source
to
this
like
list
of
resources,
precious
o
has
this
great
article
and
then
all
things
open
is
running
these
this
in
Source
101
virtual
events.
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F
If
maybe
we
just
curated
kind
of
a
list
of
a
list
of
resources
and
sort
of
a
path
for
people
it's
like
here,
we
recommend
you
read,
read
precious,
those
article
and
then
watch
this
video
from
open
source
101,
and
maybe
we
carry
kind
of
some
things
that
are
going
to
be
relevant
to
the
way
that
we
do
things
in
the
chaos
project.
So
they're,
not
just
overwhelmed
with
trying
to
you
know,
consume
all
local
stuff
about
open
source
just
give
them
some.
Some
pointers.
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I
think
that
would
be
a
totally
fine,
because
that's
a
kind
of
a
not
one
and
done,
but
just
a
one-time
thing
and
pointer
to
the
resources.
We
could
try
to
work
to
keep
it
updated,
but
then
we
could
post
it
in
the
newcomers
Channel,
maybe
every
now
and
then
like
for
those
of
you
new
to
open
source.
Here's
a
guide
that
we
put
together,
yep
I
like
that.
A
I
feel
like
that's,
that's
a
a
little
more
sustainable,
like
you
said,
Matt,
and
also
then
folks
can
do
it
at
their
own
pace
and
on
their
own
time
zone.
Because
that's
another
challenge
we
always
have
is
finding
a
time
that
works
for
folks.
So
I
do
like
that
a
lot,
and
also
it
might
be
nice
to
have
that
as
a
way
for
folks
to
contribute
like
they
may
be
new
to
open
source
or
maybe
new,
to
chaos,
but
maybe,
if
they're
not
new,
to
open
source.
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B
A
Are
attracting
this
group
of
folks
like
I,
feel,
like
you
know,
we
try
to
be
as
welcoming
as
possible
and
I
I
feel
kind
of
in
a
way,
I
kind
of
feel
responsible
for
their
experience
like
if
they
had
a
bad
experience
in
chaos.
They
might
not
just
leave
chaos
or
they
might
leave
open
source
all
together,
and
that
would
be
horrible
like
we
would
not
want
that.
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So
so,
I'm
I'm
kind
of
glad
that
they're,
you
know
finding
us
as
like,
a
as
a
way
in
a
foot
in
the
door
kind
of
thing,
because
you
know
I,
think
of
maybe
some
other
open
source
communities
that
might
not
be
as
accommodating
to
folks
who
are
super
new.
So
I
think
that
that's
that's
cool,
so
I'm
really
happy
to
see
them
here
and
I
I
want
to
help
them
as
much
as
we
can
so
yeah.
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C
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B
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F
F
E
D
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
inconsistency
and
it's
been
sorted
out
now,
but
I
think
this
is
something
we
should
be
doing
in
the
chaos
work
or
I'm.
Sorry,
the
Common
working
group
is
trying
to
ensure
that
consistency
with
the
metrics
we
had
kind
of
talked
about
this
a
long
time
ago
in
common,
is
trying
to
help
processes
across
that
are
common
across
the
chaos
project
anyway,
and
so
this
would
also
then
allow
us
to
kind
of
centralize.
D
This
metrics
discussion
I
think
that
we're
talking
about
so
as
metrics
models
or
the
to
do
ospo.
You
know
chaos
group
as
they
have
metrics
or
metrics
models
that
need
to
be
developed.
I.
Don't
always
think
that
those
are
the
like
the
best
groups
to
have
working
sessions
on
building
a
new
metric,
for
example,
it's
kind
of
in
the
detail
so
I.
D
The
hope
is
that
we
could
bring
that
discussion
back
to
Common
and
common
could
at
least
start
with
a
preliminary
metrics
model
or
a
preliminary
metric
that
could
be
brought
again
back
to
the
to
do.
Ospo
working
group
or
Hospital,
plus,
plus
or
whomever
it
might
be,
to
get
to
get
comments
or
feedback
on
so
I
think
this
is
where
I'm
kind
of
envisioning
common
going.
F
Probably
not
totally
makes
sense,
I
mean
that's,
it's
well
aligned
with
how
we
kind
of
why
we
created
The
Common
working
group
anyway.
So
it's
kind
of
to
handle
lots
of
lots
of
miscellaneous
things
that
didn't
necessarily
weren't
going
to
necessarily
get
developed
elsewhere.
So
I
think
this.
This
fits
well
into
that.
D
Right
on
and
I'll
make
sure
to
like
I
will
certainly
be
at
the
ospo,
but
to
do
Hospital
working
group,
so
I
can
I'll
be
listening
to
that
conversation.
I'll
be
at
the
hospital
plus
plus
one
I.
Think
Elizabeth.
If
you
start
like
the
community
manager,
Focus
Group,
like
I,
just
think,
there's
going
to
be
enough
representation
in
these
more
focused
groups
of
people
there's
going
to
be
representation
there
and
that
representation
is
the
same
group.
D
So
Ruth
to
your
question,
so
we
have
just
in
the
chaos
project.
We've
been
kind
of
rethinking
some
of
our
working
group
meetings
or
kind
of
how
we
coordinate
work
and
the
idea
is,
is
to
bring
together,
for
example,
osbo
managers
or
folks
that
are
members
of
their
respective
ospos
together
to
ask
questions
about
what
are
the
metrics
that
they
would
like
to
see?
What
are
the
models
that
they
would
like
to
see
because
it's
a
group
of
people
that
is
probably
trying
to
answer
very
similar
questions.
D
We
can
do
the
same
sort
of
model
for
osbo,
plus
plus,
which
is
academic
and
government
institutions
which
may
have
a
different
set
of
questions
than
those
in
say,
for-profit
organizations,
and
we
think
there
would
be
another
group
for
Community
managers
that
may
have
a
different
group
of
questions
that
they're
trying
to
answer
as
well
to
understand
how
to
grow
and
sustain
the
communities
that
they
are
managers.
For.
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B
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D
No,
it
would
be
here
so
the
hospital
yep,
so
it's
kind
of
like
the
to-do
group,
like
certainly
external
but
like
when
we're
gonna,
have
this
focused
discussion
about
metrics
and
metrics
models,
we'll
go
ahead
and
locate
that
just
in
chaos
and
I'm
talking
with
Claire
Dillon
as
part
of
Hospital
plus
plus,
to
do
the
same
thing
to
locate
that
conversation
using
chaos.
Resources
here
within
the
project
so
are
the
dates
or
any
Logistics
finalized
about
the
hospital
plus
plus
working
group.
G
E
D
Anything
else
yeah
just
one
quick
question
for
everybody
on
the
call
here
so
like
I
suppose
we
have
the
to-do
group,
Hospital,
plus
plus,
is
kind
of
an
existing
organization.
Does
anybody
know
like?
Is
there
a
community
manager
organization
that
we
could
connect
with
to
say
hey?
This
is
what
we'd
like
to
to
propose
like
is
there?
Is
there
a
group
like
that
I.
G
B
E
Okay,
so
I
was
seeing
I
think
I
see
mostly
Community
manager.
Groups
are
like
not
just
open
source.
Community
managers
like
General
from
Human
groups,
I'm
trying
to
remember
their
names,
but
I
see
a
lot
of
them,
but
I
haven't
I'm,
not
sure
I've
seen
one
that's
like
focused
on
open
source
like
just
open
source
communities,
but
I
think
some
I
think
where
we
can
find
groups
like
this.
Maybe
during
conferences,
I
know,
like
conferences,
have
this
coming
into
rooms
and
all
that
stuff,
but
I,
don't
think
I've
seen
any
group.
E
F
So
yeah
I
want
to
agree
with
Ruth
so
I
as
someone
who's
been
doing,
this
Community
Management
I
think
for
a
really
really
long
time.
I
have
seen
so
many
groups
try
to
form
like
like
meta
groups
of
so
communities
of
community
managers
and
I've,
never
seen
one
succeed,
I've
seen
a
bunch
of
them
start
and
then
what
happens
is
community
managers
are
busy
managing
their
own
communities
and
they
don't
have
time
to
be
part
of
a
community
of
community
managers.
F
Nor
is
there
a
lot
of
interest
in
being,
you
know,
because
we
all
manage
different
different
communities.
They're
they're
I,
don't
know
I've,
just
I've
just
never
seen
it
work.
The
only
thing
like
Ruth
said
that
I've
seen
work
is
these
events
at
conferences.
So,
like
the
you
know,
the
community
tracks
at
some
of
the
different
different
events-
and
you
know
some
of
the
events
that
historically
Jenna
has
led.
So
you
know
stuff
like
that
is
is
interesting,
but
yeah.
It's
a
hard
problem.
C
D
F
But
I
do
think
it's
worse,
so
I'm
not
saying
that
we
shouldn't
do
this
for
for
chaos.
I
think
it's
definitely
worth
doing
for
chaos,
because
this
gives
people
a
purpose.
I
think
that's,
what's
failed
with
the
other
like
communities
of
community
managers
is
there's
no
there's
no
real
purpose
behind
it
like
a
lot
of
community
managers,
need
metrics
and
don't
really
know
where
to
start
so
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
great
that
we're
that
we're
putting
this
together
with
a
purpose
around
metrics.
E
Yeah
and-
and
we
could
just
have
like
that
resource
out
there,
like
maybe
on
the
websites
where
people
can
find
it
as
well
like
you-
can
just
have
the
information
out
there.
So
maybe
there
is
a
community
that
we
can
collaborate
with,
but
we
can
just
have
that
resource
or
that
information
out
there
and
something
else
to
maybe
do
in
conference
concerns.
We
can
also
people
that
are
interested
to
talk
about
this.
Metrics
managers
could
do
a
workshop,
or
we
talk
and
share
specifics
on
the
metrics
we
create
that
are
useful
to
community
managers.
A
I
was
just
gonna,
say,
I
think
the
besides
the
fact
that
we
are
kind
of
Shifting
towards
these
user-focused
groups.
We
have
been
chatting
with
the
community
manager
at
one
of
the
other
Linux
Foundation
projects,
and
we
were
lamenting
the
fact
that
there,
even
though
we're
all
under
the
Linux
Foundation
there's
no
one.
That
brings
us
all
together,
all
the
community
managers
of
the
projects,
and
so
that
was
kind
of
like
an
inkling
like
oh
yeah,
you
know.
Maybe
we
should
be
doing
this.
A
C
I
like
that
in
the
sense-
and
one
was
explaining
that
everybody's
so
busy
that
if
we
create
a
new
group
with
a
new
meeting
series
and
and
all
that,
it's
just
it
becomes
so
overwhelming.
But
if
we
can
find
places
where
people
already
are
and
just
bring
up
a
conversation
topic
that
it
would
make
sense
for
them
to
cover
I
I.
Think
that
will
be
much
easier
to
reach
out
to
bigger
group
of
people.
That
way.
D
Great
and
it's
interesting,
you
say
that
ildico,
because
I
think
this
is
how
a
lot
of
the
stuff
would.
The
to-do
group
in
hospital
plus
plus
has
occurred
that
they're
like
we
need
metrics.
We
need
to
formalize
this
stuff
and
we're
just
kind
of
standing
there
and
we
say
hey.
This
is
what
we
do
and
we
can
help.
We
can
help,
publish
these
things
and
and
help
you
think
about
the
software.
So
great.
A
One
more
quick
thing
to
mention
as
event
organizers
was
another
idea.
We
have
so
we're
kind
of
I've
done
a
little
bit
about
reach
to
the
folks
that
have
done
some
Dei
badging
with
us
to
see
if
they
are
interested
in
joining
that
group.
So
I
was
going
to
talk
about
that
in
a
minute,
but
we're
almost
out
of
time
for
this
part
of
the
meeting
I'm
gonna
go
a
little
bit
over.
Is
that
okay
chaos?
Confidence?
Yes,.
G
A
E
A
E
D
B
A
D
F
E
D
G
G
So
metrics
models
haven't
those
links,
don't
exist
out
in
the
wild
because
we've
just
now
released
them.
So
no
one
is
using
the
the
old
style
URL
link,
however,
those
those
old
style,
URL
links,
do
work
still
work
for
the
metrics
and
we'll
continue
to
work
for
the
metrics
so
just
to
be
safe.
Do
you
want
me
to
add
the
redirect
for
the
models
as
well,
or
are
we
just
by
leaving
the
the
models
the
way
they
are.
A
A
A
D
A
B
A
F
A
You
have
nothing
to
lose
by
applying
right
everything
to
gain.
So
don't
do
that
and
then
one
quick
final
word.
We
just
wanted
to
try
this
experiment
to
try
to
involve
folks
who
can't
make
this
meeting
but
want
to
we're
going
to
try
posting
a
summary
of
our
community
meetings
on
a
discourse
thread
to
try
to
generate
a
little
bit
more
opportunities
for
people
to
engage
and
we'll
post
the
recording
there
as
well
so
just
want
to.
Let
people
know
that,
and
also,
if
you're,
not
on
discourse,
you
should
be.
A
We
have
quite
a
few
folks
that
are
on
slack
and
not
on
discourse.
So
we
would
really
kind
of
encourage
that
as
a
place
for
these,
like
long-term
kind
of
conversations
where
we
want
to
be
able
to
go
back
and
say
what
what
happened
with
this
or
why
did
we
decide
that
or
you
know
just
have
those
threads,
because
slack
is
not
really
a
great
place
for
that
kind
of
conversation.
So,
and
you
can
use
it
just.
A
Don't
have
to
check
it,
you
can
just
subscribe
and
it
will
send
you
emails.
You
can
reply
through
your
emails.
So
if
you're
worried
about
going
to
another
place
to
check
things,
you
don't
have
to
actually
log
in.
You
can
just
sign
up
with
your
email,
and
you
can
do
that
in
your
profile.
Differences.