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A

Okay, recording.

B

So I'm going to try to facilitate this one, so bear with me as a new person um good morning afternoon evening. Whatever applies to you um matt do you? Are you going to take notes on the agenda.

C

We all kind of chip in okay.

B

C

B

C

Gonna say I don't know if I can do more.

B

Than one thing at one time,.

C

No, no, you definitely do not have to take notes. Okay,.

B

Good, they would not be very good notes.

D

Yeah, we realized at one point that it's really hard to facilitate a meeting and take the notes.

B

Okay: okay, good! I'm glad it's not just me, um because I would feel very inadequate if it was, but that's okay, um all right so don't forget to sign. Everybody has the link to the meeting minutes if you don't they're in the chat um and if you are new you need to, we would like you to sign in under attendees and add how you're feeling or one thing on your desk. We don't see um so yeah all right. The first thing on the agenda is the mentorship google summer of code.

B

So who wants to talk about that.

D

uh I can talk a little bit. I can talk about the auger projects that we have going.

A

D

Sure we have with two two students who are doing github or get lab workers for us and gabe and carter refactored, some of our code and the the students are actually making exceptional progress on on those workers much faster than the students we've had before.

D

Probably because we've learned how to do google summer of code over the years and we've three students doing machine learning and right now they are in more of an experimental phase, trying to figure out what kinds of models work and how portable some models of some phenomena, for example, identifying anomalies in language in comments, can be identified or spikes can be identified using different algorithms.

D

So we have three students doing that and then there's one student trying to working on large scale network analysis, and I think I think their project's extremely ambitious. So I'm working on scoping that with them. That's that's about it! It's going! Well, it's going well.

C

Have you did you also see the email that came out? I think some evals are starting to come due yeah july 3rd, uh the first evaluations.

D

C

D

Yeah so I'll um I'll get those in I mean I I think in I know in the past I missed one deadline because I was at oscon, uh so I will not miss the deadline this time it was already two years ago, but was.

E

It two years ago, yeah, okay,.

C

E

Keeping track right.

D

C

C

A

C

You're all set there.

D

Yep, that's that's my what I have to say about that's about all I'd say about that in the words of somebody.

C

B

Anyone else want to chip in with um any insight or feedback or updates on google summer code.

C

Okay, or do you have uh do you have gremore lab stuff at all insight.

F

I have a little bit insight to how ria is doing with the social currency metric system. Implementation, uh ria, is doing really well mastering the what the scms is and building out the tooling on top of grimoire lab and integrating that so that's going well. I do not have insights to the other google sum of code student work on remote.

G

Yeah, I can tell about it yeah, so my project is also going pretty well right. Now, it's the third week like we completed three weeks and I almost finished my coding period, one uh tasks which have planned in the timeline, so I started working on a few more uh other things like you know, adding a support for other data yeah. It's been going pretty well.

C

What other are you adding support for other data sources, venue.

G

The first thing we started was with gitlab data source. We added support for gitlab issues and was request right now. I completed it and moved on to git, as well as pipermate mailing list mailing. This databases.

C

Okay- and I don't think from a student perspective, there's no. The july third deadline has no impact on students right. It's only mentors. I.

D

Don't think so.

F

Yeah, I think its mentors have to submit uh evaluation. Okay,.

B

All right, that's awesome. If there's nothing else, we'll move on to outreachy who has stuff for that.

H

uh We're providing the updates on badging, which includes richie later in the later in the meeting today, we have a lot of updates for you guys.

B

Coming soon awesome.

C

Do you have, how are things going on your end.

I

Okay, uh yeah yeah.

J

Yeah, so everything is going well as planned. uh Currently, we are working on building the translation roadmap to translate markdown files from different languages, so we've been able to to host uh web leads locally using docker compose so if you've been able to also work on the translation content using web bleeds.

J

But currently we have some issues from webley, because webley doesn't translate markdown documents, so we have to go through the p04.

J

Process so, which has really been challenging kind of so um we looked at implementing um loki's lucas is a new translation, so we just found out so.

J

K

J

Exploring um lukas because it provides support for markdown documents and kind of provides. A lot of implementation on different frameworks, reacts angular and all that so, but so far we've been we've documented most of our processes and everything is working out.

J

C

Right on thanks.

B

Is there anyone else that wants to add anything under outreachy.

C

Okay, good, I think it's um our first invoice is coming due. So just from a purely internal logistical thing, we have a little bit to sort out there.

C

So I've been assured that it's all fine so.

B

I'm sure it is I'm sure it's all fine someone else's problem.

B

um uh Okay, so let's jump ahead to google season of docs.

F

G

Just have an update regarding uh jsod. I've sent a mail to the mailing list regarding the proposal template and a few other guidelines like adding you're, adding the participant name in the g g, say gsod interest page.

G

So if you are a student and you are on the call right now, please go to the mailing list and check that.

G

C

So the new is the basically the it's following: the google summer of code format, approximately.

G

Yeah exactly the same.

I

Okay uh yeah, so uh when you would it be possible for you to share the link, for you know like the mailing list link the specific thread link maybe like I might have missed it.

G

Okay, I'll I'll, send it right in the chat now. Oh.

I

G

I'll show it in a few minutes.

I

Yeah sure and another thing I would like to update about this google season on talks is like. uh I have been researching or some stuff for the uh chaos uh white comedy view, and uh I recently like just set up the demonstration part for the kids platform like I, along with the george, have been following it up and we recently uh configured out some ways of editing the stuff and how things happen inside the platform and how this encryption happened with the git book and the github.

I

So uh I have shared the link uh within the uh this meeting notes. It's like uh it's! It's under the git book update, so you can view it about like how the the phase looks like from the new like user end. But if you want to get access uh edit access to the git book platform, maybe like you have to ping um some of the admin or the owner who's, maintaining the get book so yeah.

I

First I'll, just keep you guys updated about this stuff, and I just try to work on more like and figure out like what else things can be improved.

C

Thanks for your work on that just kara, I think it looks good.

B

Yeah sure, thank you yeah. Definitely, it looks great.

L

And hello, uh can you hear me.

C

L

Yeah so I proposed my.

L

Repository and actually it was not in the gsoc format, but it was in a pretty good format. I will share the link in the chat and we recently had a discussion with uh matt morton and we discussed about the dna badging process. uh As this project is in the beginning stage, it was really pretty good. It was going very well.

L

I understand the workflow and the uh how the cass dnd badging project was, and I made a draft- and I made a time to timeline and how how I am going to spend my next few weeks for the g sword and that's it.

B

Awesome. Thank you very much.

B

Okay, anybody else have anything on the students or any of those programs. If not we'll move forward.

K

I just want to highlight that students really encourage us to share their experience, even the challenges that they are facing in the google summer dog, because sometimes they might be going through certain difficulties and a community member can just check in and give them some guidelines.

K

So the mailing list is really helpful in this kind of discussions as well, and it also gives an insight of you know the students like level of engagement, that's helpful.

E

I

I

uh Other thing I just wanted to add, like I'm already in touch with armstrong and george about my proposal for the google season of talks and I'm almost complete with my uh proposal like I've shared the links with them. But if you feel like I'll, just share the link with the other members, also with the community, so yeah, that's pretty awesome.

C

M

um Hello, everyone and I also edible to everyone hi. So uh I think this is the first uh meeting now that I'm attending today I just came across these chaos committee handbook that everyone was working on. So I was pretty intrigued by that as a part of these projects. So that's why I was thinking to contribute to that particular project as well. So, if it's possible like, I would like also to have the access for that particular project so that I can also start contributing on it. I also have some previous technical writing experience already.

M

So I think that that will help me working on this or getting started on this project as well. So now like once, I get the access and I think I'll just start working on my proposal and then maybe get it reviewed by the mentors.

F

Yep happy to give you access. Could you email me please or respond to one of the emails on the mailing list.

M

um Yeah, actually, I.

K

Actually, I think you sent a mail, and I copied is that, am I correct.

M

Yes, yes, yes, I did.

K

Yeah, I think you are part of the discussion. If you look in the mailing list, I copied you in one of the mail that we are sent.

M

Right right right, I did share my email in the mailing list as well. I'll just probably share it again once again,.

F

Okay, I see it.

M

C

Thanks ryan, it's nice to have you join as.

N

B

Okay, so I think we're all squared away, so we can come back if someone has something else they didn't get to vocalize, but for now let's go ahead and push ahead to the metrics release. Since that's kind of a big deal, as it says in the agenda, all pr's have to be in this week. Do we want to talk about what do we? What do we need to discuss about this?

B

K

B

You want to give updates or.

C

We did updates last week. I think every working group is probably pretty um pretty aligned at this point would be my guess.

C

B

Not it's a little too late, so yeah.

A

I

A

B

I think we said there's what a 11 is that what the final number was. We think.

A

Yeah, like 11 to 14 14.

B

Okay, somewhere in there, depending on how things go.

C

Yeah, the only one that's not going to have metrics is value but they're doing a rework of the focus areas.

B

Yeah, so that's kind of in transition anyway, so it would be a little tricky to wrap one up that quickly.

B

Awesome well, I guess that wasn't that big of a topic then, after all.

C

Just it was a reminder, I think.

B

Gotcha, um does anybody have anything else to add to this or anything concerns or something they want to bring? No we're good, awesome, um okay. So, let's move on oh.

C

Wait, I had one thing remember we were actually gonna. We were talking about making a short video on the release and then attaching it to a blog post.

B

C

B

Were chatting informally about this yesterday, matt and sean and I and is that right who was on that call? No, I don't know who I.

C

B

I know um we were thinking that maybe that would be a good idea to just do a quick. um You know minute two minute, long, video, something like that, uh just to discuss the metrics and kind of highlight them and just a quick, different way to present the information to the community. What do you, what does everybody think about that.

B

Don't ever be talk at once.

D

A video I mean means a lot of things right so like are we talking about.

D

Like uh we do, somebody has a bunch of interviews and then somebody edits it together and it sort of makes us look exciting.

B

Well, I don't know I mean this was. I think this was matt's brain uh idea. So I'm not sure I don't want to speak from him, but I kind of envisioned just someone, maybe like just some visual um numbers or something to to demonstrate kind of what the what the metrics represent um and then or just like a voice over that's what I was kind of thinking about matt might have a different idea.

C

So yeah me too.

C

Just a short video that mostly just kind of highlights, maybe all of the metrics, but particularly the ones coming out in the latest release, and then it's a short video. I think don had brought this up before. Like do a video and just post it in a blog, something really really simple, and then we can tweet that out as well.

N

Yeah, the advantage of doing a video is, you could show some of the visualizations for some of the metrics.

J

N

People just consume information differently, so some people might appreciate having a short three minute: video to consume the release.

F

N

F

To highlight what is new and compile all of that, or are we creating one video for each new metric.

C

I was thinking the former one. Video for each new metric would be lots of videos.

B

Yeah, I agree. I think we could just do a quick kind of just like a recap like hey in case. You missed it or in case you don't want to read here we're going to throw this information at you visually and um that's kind of what I was thinking too.

O

What I'm hearing is the video would basically be kind of a video version of the release, notes.

F

Yeah, I think that the release notes can be the script or foundation for the script of the video.

C

That's a good idea.

F

Kevin you were very quiet by the way.

O

Oh sorry is that better.

F

O

A

Willing to I'm willing to help.

O

With that, by the way, if, uh if anyone wants to volunteer to work on that.

B

Kevin I'll work on that with you. If you want.

O

Okay sounds good.

B

Or if you don't want too bad, no, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding.

F

How about we start a google doc to start on the script and to start planning out what we want to show, as we say, different things.

C

You're so organized.

C

Sure I mean who I can't say no to that. So yes, let's do that.

I

G

Has a fantastic way of working well organized.

F

Oh, thank you. I appreciate it.

B

Okay, we're moving right along um all right. Let's go forward to working groups versus user groups, sig or focus groups. Do we want to rename the app ecosystem working group.

F

B

F

A conversation for ever since we started the app ecosystem marketing group, because it we have the working groups that work on metric definitions, and now we have the app ecosystem working group, which is not really defining metrics. Yet we might be but more looking at.

F

How can we use metrics in the context of foundations that look across many different projects and we've talked in the past about maybe naming them differently, and so I was talking yesterday with the app ecosystem, working group and they're open to renaming the feedback on using the word user group is that user group sounds very much like software users, even though, in our case, I think of it more as metric users, but that just does not resonate with them and special interest group or focus group would be a better option in the working groups opinion.

F

So I just want to bring this conversation here and see if there are any new thoughts on this.

K

Yeah can I say something I think it's a good idea of considering renaming the app ecosystem. However, if we take away the ecosystem in, it, then might be. That also should control, while in this understanding, because the great idea maintaining that giving the dimensionality of things that are covering looking how foundations that are looking across related projects, that's really the definition of an ecosystem.

D

Let's go ahead, please is the app ecosystem. Building metrics is that group building.

K

Metrics, I think for now. No but like jock said in the in g course, it will be considering that I think they're still laying the foundations to see the the challenges or things like like their road map, they're stilling down foundations here, but now.

F

So I'm sorry, we would leave app ecosystem and only rename the working group part, so that would become the app ecosystem, user group or app ecosystem. Special interest group or focus group.

D

It feels like a layer about like a layer of above metrics like it's like it's. I don't know it's it's. It is a different kettle of fish than the other ones.

O

Yeah, it's not a it's, not a working group. The way we have working groups defined- uh I I think both say or focus group are good uh I'd, say plus one to sig. I think that that makes sense and it allows us to uh it, allows us the ability to create these groups when we need to, and there may be they don't have as much permanence as a as a working group.

N

That's interesting.

J

N

Say that because the kubernetes community has defined them in the opposite way, a cig is something that's permanent and exists for a long time in a continuous way, and a working group is something that's spun up when needed and then eventually disbanded. So I wouldn't I wouldn't say I've. No. I have no issue with calling it a special interest group, but I don't think we should do it because of because it implies something shorter. I think it actually applies the opposite. I.

O

Think it's just a it's.

N

Just a way of differentiating.

O

Between the two like so focus focus group would be fine too, but but the working group is our. The working group is our version of a sig uh if we're comparing it to kubernetes. So at that point it's just terminology so well.

D

I'm not so sure, because we, I think after some period of time, the four or five working groups that are building metrics are going to run out of metrics to actively build at the same rate and and the need these special interest groups may become. uh I mean my experience with special interest. Groups is the same as dawn's that they're more durable generally than working groups. I they never go away. They refuse to die, usually.

N

Yeah, I feel like I feel, like we're. I feel like we're overthinking this. um I really kind of feel like this is just I really feel like. This is just a committee. It's it's a group of people who are meeting to talk about something and they may or may not continue to exist.

N

It's like a like a sub subcommittee or something I I don't know. I feel like we've had this conversation over and over and over in this meeting, and we just keep having this conversation, I think we should pick something and just deal with it. I.

D

Think it's fine with me. I really think I think special interest group is is a good name, and I think I I think it's a good name.

O

If there's, if there's confusion with the terminology that kubernetes uses, though maybe maybe focus group is just just go with focus groups, so we're not uh confusing people.

C

I'm plus one on sig, I'm hosting.

O

D

That makes more sense. I think people know what that.

C

Is I don't think it'll sink the ship so.

F

No related to renaming the app ecosystem. Another effort we have that is similarly looking at using metrics is the badging project. Do we want to also name that, in the same way, the badging sig.

C

um Yeah I mean.

F

Because it's looking.

C

It's a way to think about the deployment of metrics. You know, we'd always just call it like a program but yeah.

N

Let me let me cycle back. Why do we need to call this something? That's not a working group, why? Why is this? Why is this so different.

C

Like why do we need to name it or why not just keep working group.

N

Yeah, why not? Why not be.

C

N

App, I forget what was called modernization working group or whatever sorry, I've lost my notes, app ecosystem, sorry, um why is it not just a working group like everything else I mean we can working groups, don't have to be permanent if it serves its function for a period of time and then goes away. Is that is that bad?

N

F

It was the idea was to have a difference between the metric, defining working groups and other types of working groups, but we don't need to make that distinction. We can just forever bury this conversation because.

N

F

N

Other projects they have working groups that span like a ridiculous breadth of different stuff.

D

N

I just feel like we're, making an artificial distinction that we and and spending a lot of time on it that we don't need to. I think it's yeah, I don't know.

D

Health and sustainability is the point, and the badging program or working group or sig or airplane, serves that goal of measuring health and of sustaining healthy, open source projects. So, even though it may not be a metric, I think it still serves exactly the same purpose as a metric defining working group just in a slightly different vehicle.

D

I don't want to confuse people.

F

Okay, I'm I'm okay with just leaving the conversation, leaving it with working group and keep it simple.

N

I think it probably does make sense, though, to be a little more rigorous, around develop developing the charters for each of our working groups so that people can go to the you know home page of the working group, and this is what this working group does and I think, especially if we have working groups that do different things. I think, if we're just clear about what what this working group does, then we should be. We should be good.

C

That's good yep.

C

But we've been talking about this for so long. Don't you just want to change it now. Just come this far.

N

C

N

Let's just table and talk about in the next meeting.

N

That was a joke. Don't don't don't put it on the agenda for the next meeting.

E

Too late, it's already obvious, just kick it down the road.

B

All right decisions are being made left and right. I love this so much. um Okay, so should we move on to the get book update.

D

That sounds good, like a good.

F

Plan, I think we already had that update.

B

Okay, there's nothing else to add those working on that.

B

Okay, let's talk about the podcast chaos cast.

F

B

Always happy to talk.

F

About the podcast, okay,.

B

I will go for it so uh so we were chatting yesterday about just trying to simplify the process for organizers, especially since it's kind of a lot of work right now. If someone wants to organize a podcast, and since I'm here and willing, ready and able to assist, um I'm going to be doing that. So essentially, what's going to happen is an organizer will still come up with the idea and um the speaker that they or the guest.

B

I guess that they want to interview and bring on and also discuss, topics and things like that, and then I'm essentially going to do all the other stuff, so coordinating a time and a date with everyone, the panelists and the interviewee and the organizer, and making sure that that's available in the zoom space that we use so I'll be doing all of that I'll.

B

Send all the confirmation emails all of that kind of stuff, just to make sure everyone's on the same page and that everyone has all the information that they need to to do the podcast um and then, after it is the the point at which the podcast gets recorded and published.

B

All of that process won't change that will all stay the same as it has been and then from then, when it's all said and done and published, I will send a little thank you packet that we've been working on to the the interview or e interviewee, um so yeah and just here to streamline and uh it will iterate on the process as we go things that um if we find rough spots, we'll smooth them out and if anybody has any questions or comments or feedback on that um feel free to, let me or george know or matt, whoever anything else.

B

To add to that, you guys I.

F

B

F

Thank you for your support and helping us make the streamlining the process, make it easier for everyone.

C

Agreed thanks. I'm.

B

Happy happy to do that, so um if anyone needs any links or anything to the process as it stands, um I will be updating the community handbook with all the new stuff. I just haven't gotten that far yet so, but that will come and then you can all the process will be as transparent as it always has been. So.

F

Yeah stickers stickers, so everyone who shows up on the podcast as a panelist or guest is getting stickers now.

B

I

B

To get that right is you have to be a part of the podcast to get that special sticker, so.

F

C

Or live in omaha.

B

Or live in omaha right.

F

Sorry, matt no.

B

He's going to knock on the door, I want my sticker.

F

Well, matt was on the podcast, so he gets one. I get.

B

What I do, oh okay,.

B

Any questions about that from anybody.

D

Nope not for me.

B

uh Let's see what's next uh dni badging updates.

H

Hello, uh I have some updates for you, I'm going to pull the agenda here, so I'm not looking to the side the whole time, so I'm going to give the update for the workflow, um because pasta was not able to make it to the meeting today. um I just wanted to mention that the framework is being worked on.

H

um It's almost finished actually to the point where um next week we're going to start recruiting, if that's the right word for it, but we're trying to we're going to try to get people um on for testing the reviews process. The workflow everything like that.

H

uh That's pretty much um the big parts of the work for the project other than the we're going to be working on automatic automation through github bots, um and if we have, I put accounting for scope creep, because if we have time um we're going to work on a application with which you can submit a pull request through github, and uh if that is not within time, um we'll be uh me and solo will be working on that outside of that.

H

But I noticed someone had mentioned something about getting an updated timeline. We have an old kind of crusty timeline right now, so we're working on getting the updated uh and our one on one before the next meeting comes around on tuesday next tuesday or uh it looks like so we might not have that meeting so I'll. Let that happen there, but next meeting we have here um we'll have that updated timeline and um looks like totally.

H

You covered a lot of the things from this translation framework, but is there anything you want to add on top of.

J

That no it's fine, okay,.

C

I have a question for you, of course, in terms of the process is, it sounds like you chose the pull request approach as opposed to okay.

H

And we actually have a few things that were key. We were looking at using github disks for the for the for this review system, but we figured out that organizations cannot make just by themselves and you'd have to have your name tied to it. Somehow, so we decided to go for a full pull request. Workflow with bots.

C

Okay, so will someone initiate the pr within github or will they initiate it via a web page? I know osta was yeah. Looking at a couple, the.

H

Process, this is defining it a little better uh part of that is the documentation, but um we are looking at. You add a pr that adds your name to the list um and of the of the badge projects and whether or not you get a you get a successful badge.

H

You will get a badge of some sort and then that bad is added by the reviewer and as well as the comments are going to be adding the um the actual reviews, and then we've got a checklist that they go through and they're just going to like transparently put that out as a comment on the pr and the whole workflow is pretty much going to take place on github.

C

D

Does that do anything to make it harder for people who are not technologically savvy to contribute and yeah, and I think oh go ahead. Sorry yeah, and I think I I'm just does that I don't know. Is that a concern that we I mean have we thought about that as a concern.

H

Yeah uh our big um concern. Actually that was an early concern of ours because it requires a github account. It requires you to start a pr. It requires you to edit a markdown document, um so we actually have worked on automation of uh we. We can spin up a website or some kind of web instance where you go on. You check all the things you fill out boxes and it's just like javascript, and then it sends it over to github because they have an api system for that.

H

That it'll just create the pull request with all those things. It requires a little more automation to get that um that markdown edit in there, but we can, I think, we're at the point where we think we can do that.

D

Yeah: okay, thanks thanks, I think sometimes sometimes github is very intimidating to people at first.

H

Yeah, I think the only requirement we're going to have if that website works out like it like. We think it will is that you have to have a github account um to submit that through javascript.

H

Okay, that's that's that's all I have for that one. But thanks. I have.

B

A question to you who, who do you think, is the target like? Is it an event? Organizer is going to be the one to fill that out or who, who do you suspect it will be the one to initiate.

H

Yeah um we have been working on defining um different ways. I think it's going to be organizers in the end that do these submissions, um people that have some kind of access to uh organizing of some sort, but uh I think we tried to be not as restrictive about it, but then we were thinking like if it's not organized, then it could be pretty much anybody else that has some kind of tie into the event.

H

We want it to be people that have some kind of administration in the event, and also we've been working on something specifically for events rather than projects is that you have a lot of five metrics for events that we've defined in chaos, the dni working group- and we have um a lot of events that are not going to meet all five of those metrics.

H

So we've been working on creating tiers of types of events that will meet this. These metrics will be met by this event and we classify that when we start the review and then we take the appropriate metrics for that event and apply that to that event, that's being submitted.

H

um So that's something similar may happen for projects as we go on too. That's.

B

H

This whole testing process is for.

B

Yeah yeah yeah, that was gonna, be my next question is how do virtual events fit into because I know a lot of it is stuff, that's related on-site and their experience on site, but obviously that's not that's a good.

H

Recommendation yeah: we have um tiers for different sizes of events at this point, um but virtual events may fit in probably toward the I mean size is by attendance. So we may keep that, but a lot of the things that we're measuring are like code of conduct. Do you measure demographics on things like that? So I think a lot of these can still be measured via a virtual event.

H

C

It does make me think that some of the metrics might have to be a little bit more attentive to virtual events. I would if I think, back on the development of the dna metrics a while ago. I think the intention was always at least my mind was always on in-person events. I.

G

C

Any of them mentioned the word virtual event at all yeah. I don't think global pandemic was on our mind.

C

H

We have uh we have kind of a lot of things that we've been adjusting about the metrics too, that we're going to eventually push back up to the chaos metrics uh and some and some large pull requests. But one of those is probably going to end up being virtual events.

B

All right sounds awesome sounds like you guys are making awesome progress too.

H

Yeah, I have one more thing to add. Sorry, you.

B

H

Lot of really like stellar applicants for um season of ducks, I just wanted to mention that um thorne being one of them um that has submitted microtasks and um we actually had so many and so big microtest submission submissions that we had to put them in their own documents because we just have in 20 days. We got like a bunch of replies with large paragraphs, so we're figuring out how to organize that many applicants at once.

H

But it's it's going great. So far, awesome.

I

uh Method, if you don't mind me, ask you one question: uh get into your project- yeah of course yeah. So so I just want to know like the the badging system. Is it only uh limited to the chaos community or like anyone like we use, can use this particular specific badging system for their own community for on their organizations.

H

Yeah, um so this is open to pretty much well right now the projects are open. Anybody in the events are open to any event that measures something um and chaos metrics. It's not limited to the chaos metrics either as much as much as we'd like it to be, like you're measuring chaos, metrics it's more. What you're measuring these things?

H

So it's it's pretty much and might correct me on that in the in the structural view of it. But um we we we're looking to measure like we're, looking to just kind of foster good practices in pretty much any space. We can with this browsing program.

I

You know like this. This would be something a great to add into the documentation stuff as well like how the batching system can be done can be achieved or like if some other other external community external projects wants to utilize this particular thing into their own community, so how this particular thing can be achieved. So I think that this would be great like to research out and write in the documentation.

H

Yeah, that's a great recommendation.

I

H

Actually have a template um for building new badging projects, but I think that's about as far as we got with that. So let's go.

B

Okay, okay, um I think we can move on then to talk about. We have what three minutes left uh do we want to talk about outreach activities beyond the podcast blogging twitter, open source, commons ossna?

B

um What do we have.

D

We do there are. There are some ossm a things sprinkling up next week? I don't know. If are there any this week? I think it's normal next year.

C

I think it's all next week, yeah.

D

I know confused at first, but now I'm pretty sure.

C

I know matt is presenting the badging program on monday. I think matt.

H

Whatever the 29th is.

C

Monday yeah, um I know georg, is doing a presentation as well right, georg.

F

I have a presentation, a birds of feather about open.

J

F

Metrics and also a panel with dawn and michael and I keep forgetting maglia or someone um drug panel, about succession planning.

C

C

Sean is there.

E

Anything with auger yeah.

D

We have a couple of so we have the birds of a feather session and another session that I have to go. Remember what it is it's it's um that there are a couple of awkward sessions.

C

Okay, I think a lot of the sessions. I know matt pre-recorded his and so matt will be available. Did you do that to gayorg? Did you do a pre-record.

F

No, I'm gonna do them live because uh for the panel we want the interaction I.

J

F

From the people in the audience and for the birds of feather, I also want a more interactive session.

C

N

I have a session on growing participation in your company's open source projects.

C

N

I do touch on metrics in that one, and I also.

A

N

Pre-Recorded it because there okay their systems their system's a little janky. So if you didn't pre-record it make sure you know what you're getting into before you sit down in front of the screen to work to do yourself.

P

I might regret not recording, but my co-presenter she wanted to do it live so well. What could possibly go wrong, we'll see.

N

Yeah, the biggest limitation being that you had to upload that they have to upload your presentation in advance in powerpoint format.

P

It's not a good thing to do for an open source uh conference, but.

C

Yep, that's interesting. huh Okay,.

P

Yeah it was, it was one of many issues with the platform, but I mean it's it's hard like I don't I'm sure you've all been to a lot of virtual conferences.

P

I haven't found the tool to be honest, that's better than zoom I mean you might as well just use zoom like I don't know why people are just even bothering with these other platforms that has more limitations but interesting.

N

Yeah, I know we've done some evaluations of virtual platforms and from from what I hear, they're they're, all kind of terrible and there there aren't any of them that are fantastic, and so it's just it's just trade-offs. Do you make the do you make it painful for the speakers? Do you make it painful for somebody else?

N

B

Sounds like an awesome business opportunity for someone? Okay, not me, but someone else well,.

P

I was thinking zoom should get in on that like, like I'm, I'm sure, they're working on a lot of issues, but this is a great opportunity for zoom or others or even webex, but you know anyhow, so speaking of oss like are we having our meeting next week, like I kind of added that towards the end, but.

C

We can always just have it even if it's lightly intense, although is next week, the first of the month, no, not quite no, no.

D

No yeah one day before the first, so not the first.

C

D

C

Next week, I.

A

C

A family thing I have to do next week, so I won't be here anyway.

N

Yeah I'll be at the conference, I won't be here.

D

You'll be at a physical conference or just.

N

No, I I really so the.

K

Whole thing is like.

N

I this is a virtual conference and I haven't really I like I've swooped in and presented and swooped back out, and I really need to give this kind of a kind of.

G

A go of engaging.

N

With the conference so I've just canceled all my other meetings and I'm gonna do the conference next week. Just like I would. If I was in person, I would do the conference, so I'm gonna give it a go. I'm gonna be exhausted by the end of the day.

C

And I'm okay with canceling just to encourage people to attend ossna, I mean all the mentees have codes, so all outreaching google summer of code students can attend. I.

N

Think, if that's the case honestly, I would cancel it to encourage people to.

C

N

Since it sounds like, most, people have have codes to attend.

C

Yeah take that take this hour and make sure you attend. Let's do that. I can't remember the last.

N

Time you canceled.

C

The weekly meeting.

N

Probably the last summit.

C

Probably so right when we didn't.

N

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I

An issue because.

C

We were all there so all right, right, cool all righty.

B

So many decisions today, oh my gosh, so exciting um anybody else have anything else, we're three minutes over. So otherwise I guess that's it.

C

All right thanks, everybody.

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