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From YouTube: CIty Council Agenda Session 3-29-22
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CIty Council Agenda Session 3-29-22
A
A
We
have
a
motion
to
approve
with
a
proper
second,
with
no
objections.
The
minutes
will
stand
as
required
this
afternoon
under
ordinances
final
reading.
We
won't
read
this
at
this
time:
councilwoman
hill,
any
questions
or
concerns
about
5a.
A
All
right
council,
if
you
will
notice,
I
have
added
in
your
packet,
an
amendment
that
I
would
hope
that
we
could
present
this
afternoon
and
it
basically
changed
the
beginning
date
from
march
to
22nd
to
the
effective
date
of
the
ordinance,
which
would
be
april
5th.
A
That
would
give
applicants
an
additional
two
weeks
from
the
march
22nd
date
and
I
did
receive
an
email
from
a
couple
of
individuals
that
said
hey.
We
just
submitted
our
application
last
friday
and
is
there
anything
you
can
do
with
the
date,
and
I
felt
like
maybe
making
the
ordinance
effective
on
the
effective
date
would
help
these
individuals.
A
C
D
C
Presented
in
an
open
forum,
yeah
and
answered
by
the
city
attorney:
okay,
thank
you,
sir
councilwoman
dotley.
E
For
this
one
for
the
amendment
on
the
effective
date
of
this
ordinance,
would
that
be
the
date
that
it
potentially
passed,
which
will
be
april?
The
5th.
F
Thank
you
chair,
there's
a
a
lot
to
be
thought
about,
as
it
relates
to
short-term
vacation
rentals
and
I
think
it
might
be
useful
to
you
know
talk
about
some
of
that
at
our
meeting.
That's
more
attended
later
this
evening,
but.
F
The
couple
that
that
are
about
that
just
put
in
they
emailed
me
as
well-
perhaps
they
emailed
all
of
us
and
they
made
the
point
that
they
have-
they
have
invested
their
life
savings
in
purdy
and
that
they
were
going
to
quickly
be
putting
their
application
in.
I
don't
think
that
they're,
the
only
people
that
are
currently
investing
their
life
savings
in
a
property
to
put
in
and
and
so
as
I
think,
about
the
the
fairness.
F
I
agree
that
a
moratorium
on
non,
probably
in
the
best
interest
of
chattanooga
long
term,
the
fairness
of
putting
this
in
as
early
as
april
5.
F
Feels
well,
it
feels
unfair.
So
I
I
would
like
our
body
to
con
back
a
little
bit
more,
whether
that's
perhaps
to
may
10.
That
would
be
four
weeks
after
the
passage,
I
think
also
there
may
be
some
kind
of
60
day
considered.
F
A
I
think
if
there
had
been
individuals
that
were
perhaps
close
to
submitting
an
application,
I
would
have
felt
like
they
would
have
contacted
us
just
like
the
people
in
lookout.
Valley
did,
and
I
did
email
them
back
and
they
confirmed
that
they
application.
So
we've
received,
you
know
numerous
emails
for
and
against
the
moratorium.
A
And
people
are
aware
of
of
the
moratorium,
if
you
will,
in
my
opinion,
I
think,
making
it
on
the
effective
date
that
still
gives
people
applications
in
that
are
perhaps
close
to
this,
and
and-
and
let
me
let
me
stress
one
other
thing,
even
though
it's
at
this
current
time,
it
says
through
the
end
of
the
year.
A
Basically,
if,
if
we
can
work
in
an
efficient
manner
and
get
the
issue
addressed,
we
can
certainly
take
the
more
applications
off
once
we
have
an
amendment
addressing
the
concerns
that
we
have
so
there's
nothing
saying
other
than
has
to
be
for
nine
months
other
than
the
date
that's
on
this
amendment,
but
we
can
always
go
back
and
make
that
time
shorter.
F
Well,
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
however,.
F
Our
housing
stock
is
being
negatively
impacted
by
non-owner,
operated,
short-term
vacation
rentals,
it's
inflating
the
cost,
it's
actually
removing
housing.
I
think
we
we
are
headed
into
a
conversation
about.
Do
we
want
life?
Do
we
want
housing
stock,
and
so
for
me
chairman,
I
see
that
this,
like
I'm
a
moratorium.
F
I
think
I
think
that
that
is
where
we're
headed,
and
so
I
doubt
that
it'll
be
nine
months.
I
anticipate
it
will
be
for
the
foreseeable
future,
and
so
that's
why
I
not
to
try
to
create
some
kind
of
gold
rush
of
getting
people
into
the
application
process,
but
more
if
we
put
ourselves
in
the
shoes
of
someone
who
was
hoping
to
get
an
application
in
may
1
one
week
isn't
going
to
help
them.
I
mean
you're
a
builder.
F
I
would
ask
that
we
consider
making
an
official
amendment
to
make
it
may
10th
to
at
least
give
people
a
full
month,
so
I'll
I'll
bring
that
up
at
6..
C
D
It
is
stated
to
be
immediately
immediately.
Your
upon
final
would
require
two
readings,
so
it
will
take
two
weeks
to
be
able
so.
C
C
I
think
that
maybe
we
should
need
to
possibly
give
something
or
thought
to
a
little
time.
Maybe
it's
not
a
month
but-
and
I
want
to
remind-
and
the
chairman
made
a
good
point
if
we-
if
we
were
to
aggressively
pursue
resolution.
C
And
made
it
a
priority,
we
could
lift
the
moratorium
much
sooner
then.
I
hope
it
doesn't
continue
on.
I
hope
that
we
work
to
find
a
solution
that
fits
for
our
community
because
in
my
conversations
with
constituents
today,
my
phone
was
burning
up,
although
we
don't
have
it
in
district.
Four
people
have
an
opinion
and
I'm
certainly
happy
to
to
listen
to
it,
and
it
helps
me
make
a
better,
more
informed
decision.
C
It's
definitely
a
little
bit
more
time,
but
we
also
have
the
process
in
which
they
would
go
through,
and
so
I
asked
myself
and
thank
the
non-owner-occupied
short-term
vacation
tickets.
Have
we
actually
approved
in
the
last
year?
I
don't
know
if
caleb
do
you
know
off
top
of
your
any
in
the
last
year,
if.
G
C
G
H
A
I
I
would
have
assumed
that
if
anybody
was
close
for
working
on
one
that
they
would
have
reached
out
and
contacted
us
like
the
people
in
lookout,
valley
did,
but
obviously
it's
giving
people
more
time
to
get
in
these
applications.
For
the
short-term
vacation.
Rentals
that
we're
having
a
problem
with
councilman
smith.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Forgive
me
I've
missed
a
lot
of
the
conversation
about
this
topic.
Last
week
I
mean
some
of
the
concern
that
I
have
heard
over
this
wanted
a
moratorium
because
of
housing
stock,
or
we
wanted
a
moratorium
because
outside
investors
are
buying
up
our
you
know
our
local
housing
and
you
know,
turning
into
short-term
vacation
rental
they're
not
invested
in
our
community.
I
Within
our
community,
so
you
know
depending
on
why
it
is
we're
really
doing
this
and
councilwoman
hill
makes
a
good
point
in
that.
Are
we
really
talking
about
lodging
stock
or
housing?
I
It's
it's
a
very
legit
question,
because
if
we're
talking
about
wanting
more
housing
stock
and
less
lodging,
I
could
see
this
being
more
permanent,
the
resident
that
we
don't
allow
short-term
vacation
rental,
but
if
the
concern
is
outside
investment
into
our
community
to
take
money
out
of
our
community,
that's
a
different
story
altogether,
and
there
may
be
a
way
to
deal
with
this
to
the
chairman's
point
of
not
taking
nine
months
or
making
it
permanent,
but
thinking
of
more
creative
ways
to
deal
with
it
over
the
next
several
months
such
as
and
phil.
I
But
some
of
those
questions,
I
think,
are
better
answered
by
what
it
is.
You
know
what
problem
we're
potentially
trying
to
solve
with
the
moratorium.
The
changes
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there
as
as
a
concern,
I
think,
extending
the
date
it
just
it
just
creates
a
mad
rush.
Obviously,
but
there
are
people
that
are
in
the
middle
of
big
investments
potentially
as
well,
so
I'm
for
me
it
doesn't
matter
as
much
for
constituents
in
district
3,
but
I
think
it's
a
big
topic
for
the
entire
city
and
whatever
we
do.
I
Who
knows
what
that
is
expanded
to
at
some
point
in
time,
but
I
definitely
see
this
being
an
extended
conversation
to
better
define
what
it
is
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish
or
trying
to
solve,
by
putting
this
moratorium
on
in
the
first
place.
But
with
that
that's
all.
Mr
chairman,.
A
Kespelman
hill
I'll
recognize
you.
I
wanted
to
kind
of
respond
to
the
vice
chair
since
he
wasn't
here
last
week,
but
I
I
think
the
reason
for
me
bringing
forth
the
moratorium
was
basically
three
reasons.
One
affordable
housing
concerns
enforcement
concerns
and
saturation
rate
concerns,
and
those
are
the
concerns
that
we
were
hearing
over
and
over
by
people
that
addressed
us.
The
constituents
from
some
council
people
up
here
on
this
diocese.
Those
are
the
concerns
that
I
was
trying
to
address
by
offering
the
moratorium
on
this
councilwoman
hill.
F
F
I
I
mean
I
know
that
we've
had
chris
anderson
working
on
a
short-term
vacation
rental,
rewrite
ordinance
and
he's
going
to
present
to
us
to
talk
to
us
about
what
does
saturation
look
like
councilwoman
coonrod
has
been
asking
these
questions.
I've
been
asking
them.
What?
How
is
this
impacting
our
city?
What
are
anecdotal
and
I
feel
like
in
making
that
rational
case.
We
have
something
to
stand
on
as
we
move
forward
with
whatever
the
order
one
mind
about
about
this.
F
I
I
do
think
that,
in
moving
outside
of
our
standard
legislative
process
on
this
that
you
know
here,
we
are
at
10
minutes
to
5
when
we've
got
a
long
meeting
ahead
of
us
and
we've
had
a
long
day
already,
and
this
is
not
going
to
get
the
thought
that
it
needs,
and
I
say
that
as
someone
who
has
done
a
great
deal
of
research
on
short-term
vacation
rental
legislation
believe
strongly
that
we
need
to
revamp
the
whole
process.
I
I
just
don't
I
mean
ken
was
on
vacation
last
week.
F
The
only
place
that
I
saw
this
reported
was
the
chattanoogan,
and
then
it
got
on
next
door
and
then
it
got
on
facebook.
I
don't
think
that
we
can
assume
that
every
person
that
is
out
there
sweating
painting
a
short-term
vacation
rental
right
now
is
tuned
in
and
checking
those
three
sources.
So
I
I
would
disagree
that
there
has
been
an
appropriate
amount
of
public
input
or
awareness
on
this
topic.
F
A
All
right
that
takes
us
to
parks
and
public
works,
and
I
believe
councilman
hester
you
covered,
b,
c
and
d
last
week
in
our
committee,
because
that
correct
just
any
questions
or
comments
concerning
bc
or
d
councilwoman
burrs.
J
A
C
Just
real
quick
thank
you
chairman.
I
sent
an
email
on
item
c.
I
really
want
to
stress
the
response
that
I've
gotten
on
social
media
emails
through
the
council.
The
pickleball
is
really
very
popular
and
more
people
are
asking
for
pickleball
than
they
are
tennis.
So
anything
we
can
do
to
push
that
towards
the
pickleball.
C
I
I
boy
have
I
been
introduced
to
a
world
of
that.
I
had
no
idea
and
I'm
actually
researching
paddles
now.
So
I
guess
that's
where
I'll
I'll
be
heading
to
tom.
H
Yes,
we're
working
with
the
parks,
department,
parks
and
rec,
and
right
now
we
have
a
little
time
to
work
with
you
and
the
community
on
preference
for
tennis
and
pickleball,
though
this
contract
that
you're
awarding
tonight
we're
in
good
shape
because
it
calls
for
striping
for
both
tennis
and
pickleball
on
the
same
courts.
I
wouldn't
recommend
that,
because
you
know,
if
you've
ever,
if
you're
a
tennis
player,
you
wouldn't
want
all
those
other
lines
on
there.
C
C
A
C
Chairman,
thank
you.
I
did
have
a
question,
but
the
administration
answered
on
the
traffic
infraction
devices
yeah
and
they
answered
it
completely.
For
me,
the
the
question
I
had
was
revolving
around
state
law
and
I
I
have
no
questions
further,
but
the
administration
wants
to
cover
it.
Real,
quick
you're,
welcome
too,
but
thank
you
and
I
appreciate
them
getting
back
so
soon.
A
J
Yeah,
I
don't
have
any
questions
about
it.
I
just
wanted
to
review
with
council
that
we
have
reviewed
the
law.
We
have
looked
at
everything
possible
and
with
the
meeting
tonight
and
the
vote
next
week,
the
public
meeting
we
had
two
weeks
ago
and
the
public
meetings
that
have
occurred
in
the
districts.
We
meet
the
requisites
of
law.
J
However,
if
anyone
has
any
questions
to
on
council
relative
to
tonight,
joda's
here
to
it
administration
mayor's
office
had
nothing
to
do
with
any
of
this.
We
got
the
data
from
the
office
that
crunches
the
numbers
and
does
the
data
because
they
had
the
programs.
J
They
gave
us
the
data,
their
only
instruction
was,
and
it
came
for
me
I
take
full
responsibility-
is
follow
the
law,
follow
the
law
and
and
and
as
applied
to
the
2020
census.
A
Sure
so
are
there
any
lingering
questions
about
how
the
map
was
put
together,
how
the
data
was
collected.
K
Thank
you
chair.
In
fact,
I
had
emailed
joda
and
chris
when
we
first
got
them
out
and
was
told
that
they
didn't
have
enough
employment
employees
that
could
work
on
specific
requests
from
council
members.
K
I
wanted
to
see
I
wanted
to
see
the
data
that
shows
based
on
what
the
slides
that
we
were
given
and
we're
transparent
in
this
setting.
Is
that
when
I
met
with
chris
to
look
at
the
map
is
this
is
what
we
have
do
you
agree
with
it?
Do
you
have
any
changes
and
prior
to
that
have
been
specifically
told
you
don't
want
to
be
the
council
person?
That's
not
going
along
with
everything.
We
should
never
be
told
that
from
anybody
that
worked
with
administration,
and
I
had
an
issue
with
it.
K
It
we
had
some
words
that
we
shared
with
each
other,
and
I
reached
out
to
the
chair.
When
we're
asking
for
information
as
a
council
person,
we
should
be
able
to
get
that
information
and
we
shouldn't
be
excluded
or
say.
Go
to
the
committee,
which
the
committee
was
with
you
three.
We
just
got
presented
with
the
information
after
the
fact
of
whoever
drew
the
map
now
here.
Here's
my.
B
K
Again,
here's
here's
what
I
need
what
I
asked
before
in
the
slides
it
stated,
or
it
was
voiced
when
the
presentation
was
given,
is
that
my
district,
as
well
as
other
districts?
We
lost
people
and
and
according
to
the
numbers,
and
when
I
looked
at
it
it
showed
that
I
well
previously
we
had
20
000
and
somehow
people
and
in
my
district
got
reduced
with
16
17
000
people,
but
I
didn't
see
the
demographics
of
the
people
if
work
continuously.
K
What
I'm
hearing
is
that
black
people
are
leaving
your
district,
where,
where
is
it,
show
me
that
data
to
say
there
they've
left
my
district
well
and
if
we
need
to
get
increased
numbers
and
when
I
looked
at
the
results
of
after
we've
drawn
seen
a
drone
map.
Now
I
have
twenty
thousand
some
odd
people.
Some
districts
have
less
than
20
000
and,
from
my
perspective
I
would
just
like
to
see
additional
maps
to
show
okay.
K
If
we
keep
the
number
of
black
people,
that's
in
everybody
district
currently,
because
even
if
we
leave
it
that
way,
our
districts
will
still
be
we'll
still
have
three
black
districts
of
majority
black
districts.
That
will
still
be
the
same.
My
concern
is
that
when
I
look
at
the
map-
and
I
see
the
number
of
black
individuals
that
have
been
moved
out
of
district-
one
moved
out
of
district
three
and
I'm
concerned
about
that.
The
1400
of
us,
meaning
black
people,
have
been
moved
out
this
district
and
placed
in
the
district.
K
No
one
has
said
or
asked
on
council
which
district
should
be
a
majority
black
district,
which
district
should
be
a
swing
district,
and
I
get
that
you
know
that
some
may
understand
that
the
law
is
saying
that
we
supposed
to
have
three,
I'm
simply
stating
and
and
have
stated
it
before,
that
we're
not
in
that
space.
Now
we're
in
the
21st
century
back
then
to
advocate
for
three
council
positions.
K
Yes,
I
get
that
we've
done
that
we
now
are
in
a
situation
where
times
where
black
people
are
getting
elected
to
council
and
to
be
ignored,
or
you
know,
to
be
overlooked
and
pushed
to
the
side,
because
no
one
wants
to
think
in
that
way.
We
now
have
four
council
districts
that
are
black.
K
The
data
based
on
the
number
where
black
people
are
residing
reflects
that.
So
the
conversation
should
be
about.
If
we're
going
to
maintain
these
four
black
seats,
not
continue
to
minimize
that
and
because
what
council
has
looked
like
historically
has
been
mostly
majority:
white,
okay.
Well,
let's
level
the
playing
field,
I'm
a
chess
player,
let's
have
four
white
districts,
four
black
districts
and
have
a
swing
district
for
one
of
them.
K
That
makes
sense
to
me
when
I
look
at
the
data,
but
when
we
can't
get
the
information
that
we
need
as
council
people,
it's
it's
very
disturbing
and
when
we
have
constituents
questioning
us
or
our
ability
to
be
on
the
committee
and
ask
questions
or
you
know
we
weren't,
I
wasn't
privileged
to
the
meeting.
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
some
of
the
statements
have
been
unfairly
to
the
people
who've
been
on
the
committee
and
if
you
know
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
is
that
the
only
direction
was
this.
K
A
J
Let
me
let
me
finish
and
then,
because
what
I'm
going
to
ask
you
is
so
I'm
not
getting
hold
of
what
you
need
all
right,
so
the
instruction
was
to
follow
the
law
and
and
the
law
was
put
up
on
the
screen,
and
that
is
you
follow
the
2020
census
and
you
go
with
your
numbers,
give
or
take
10
and
and
the
districts
that
were
mostly
impacted,
and
it's
really
councilman
led
for
his
fault,
because
his
district
4
grew
and
because
district
four
grew
it.
J
It
kind
of
was
a
domino
I
had
to
take
more,
which
meant
and
by
the
way
I
am
pretty
much
a
swing
district
and
which
meant
that
councilman
hester
had
to
take
more,
and
so
we,
the
the
lines
had
to
be
massaged
to
to
to
make
sure
they
were.
They
followed
the
wrong
law.
Now
in
that,
and-
and
we
went
over
that-
and
it
may
have
been
when
you
were
out
of
town,
but
we
showed
the
breakdowns
if
we
showed
the
breakdowns.
But
no,
you
were
here
because
you
have
questioned
a
lot.
J
J
We
found
out
that
the
districts
were
still
balanced.
Now.
What
I
think
I
heard
you
say
was
that
it
looks
like
your
district
lost
black
people
is.
Is
that
what
you
said,
but
you
couldn't
get
the
data
to
back?
That
up.
Is
that
what
you
said?
K
K
Yeah,
what
was
told
from
the
podium
is
that
I've
lost
black
people
or
from
my
district
and
yeah,
when
the
presentation
was
made
not
just
my
district
but
other
districts
too.
But
I'm
concerned
about
my
and
I'm
asking
what
can
you
show
me
that
or
provide
a
map
where
everybody
represent
the
same
equal
amount
of
people.
J
So
I
don't
know
the
color
of
the
people
you
lost,
I
really
don't
what
I
did
see
was
a
before.
Well,
I
didn't
see
it,
we
all
saw
it.
It
was
up
on
the
screens.
J
A
K
It's
okay
and
what
we
shouldn't
be
doing
is
grouping
those
people
back
just
to
say,
we
want
to
ease
them
back
in
five.
We
want
to
put
them
back
at
eight.
We
want
to
put
them
back
in
nine.
That's
to
me!
That's
not
fair
representation,
because
our
districts,
if
you
keep
the
black
people
where
they
already
are
we're
still
going
to
be
a
majority
black
district.
Maybe
what
my
district
need
is
some
added
white
people
or
n5
or
n8.
K
Let's
balance
it
out,
we
still
will
have
a
majority
black
district
and
to
me-
and
it's
just
my
personal
opinion
when
you
group
us
all
into
these
districts.
It
put
us
at
an
economic
disadvantage
and
that's
in
my
personal
opinion,
my
district
can't
compete
because
we
don't
have
disposable
income
to
even
decide,
oh
to
have
a
grocery
store
and
we
got
all.
I'm
asking
is
the
show
meal
map
of
what
it
would
look
like,
and
that
should
be
something
simple
that
we
can
do
and
look
at.
J
As
far
as
I
understand
we
were
looking
at
people,
not
what
color
they
were
as
it
turned
out
as
it
turned
out
the
outcome
was
there
were
people
see,
I'm
not
sure.
I
don't
know
where
we're
getting
the
idea
that
some
black
people
went
from
your
district
to
chip's
district
and
now
we're
trying
to
move
them
back.
J
J
If
you
can
explain
exactly
what
you
want
and
you
don't
have
to
do
it
here,
there's
no
information,
that's
offline!
I
I
didn't
know
that
you
were
told
these
things
I
I
wish
I
had
known
about
that,
but
the
bottom
line
is
that
was
then.
This
is
now
exactly.
What
do
you
need
to
fix?
Whatever
your
concern
is,
and
if
we
have
the
data
that
way
it
can
come
to
you
just
you
you.
J
That's
different
from
what
we've
already
given
we've
shown
the
before
and
after
we've
shown
the
the
before
and
after
racially,
we've
done
it
with
black
and
we've
done
it
with
of
color
both
ways,
because
you
asked
for
that.
I
I,
if
you
could
just
explain
to
me
what
it
is
that
we
haven't
sent
you.
We
can
do
that.
A
A
Madam
clark,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
this
be
placed
on
the
agenda
and
I
want
to
see
if
we
can
get
from
what
I
understand
we're
looking
for
some
data.
That
shows,
I
guess
the
the
black
numbers
before
or
as
as
they
were
in
in
this
last
redistricting
and
and
the
black
numbers
as
they
are
in
this
proposed
map,
is
that
is
that
basically,
council,
one
rod
what
you're
asking
for.
I
A
A
My
black
constituents
were
in
a
neighborhood
that
that
I
did
feel
like
that
whole
area
needed
to
be
in
district
two,
and-
and
so
that's
where
that's
that's,
where
those
numbers
I
I
to
be
honest,
I
never
asked
the
question
how
many
blacks
would
I
lose?
I
just
said
you
know
it
looks
like
to
me:
it'd
make
more
sense
if
this
community
was
in
district
two.
A
That
happened
to
be
I
I
guess,
after
looking
at
the
numbers
where,
where
a
lot
of
concentrated
number
of
black
voters
were
or
black
constituents
were,
it
was
never
an
intentional
thing
to
move
blacks
in
or
out
of
a
district.
It
was
simply
to
your
point.
It
was
simply
looking
at
the
numbers
and
that's
how
we
arrived
at
what
the
map
looked
like
at
least
in
district
one.
So
chief,
is
it
possible
next
week
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
map
that
you
know
sort.
A
The
districts
like
they
are,
but
just
adjust
the
numbers
based
on
the
numbers
not
trying
to
create
a
a
majority
black
district.
L
I
think
the
first
question,
which
was:
can
we
provide
the
data
of
of
residents
by
race
broken
out
prior
to
the
map
that
has
been
drawn,
and
now
that's
certainly
possible?
Okay,
I
would
say
capacity-wise
in
order
to
produce
a
map
at
a
week
which
has
a
totally
new
framework.
I
think
that
would
stretch
our
capacity
and
candidly.
I
would
ask
that
the
council
consider
using
something
like
its
utc
contract
to
generate
that
it
does
put
a
lot
of
work
on
our
gis
team
and
takes
us
away
from
other
priorities.
B
L
Do
want
to
be
very
clear
that
this
administration
has
no
position
on
the
council's
redistricting
process
whatsoever
and
we
firmly
believe
that
y'all
have
the
the
responsibility
and
purview
over
the
process
to
choose
your
maps,
and-
and
so
I
just
I
just
want
to
underscore
that
you
know
we
were
acting
on
the
clear
purview
and
guidance
from
the
redistricting
committee.
And
so
if
there
was
to
be
a
new
process
with
a
new
framework
that
would
take
a
significantly
longer
period
of
time.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
you
can
have
that
by
next
week
or
or
sometime.
A
M
I
think
to
really
measure
this.
I
think
the
answer
is
more
complex
than
we
should
consider,
because
I
guess
all
across
america
there's
a
black
flight
too,
as
far
as
here
folks
are
moving
like
african-americans
moving
to
utah
they're,
moving
to
east
ridge
to
east
brainerd,
we're
moving
to
rural
north
georgia.
So
it's
so.
M
We
can't
measure
that
as
far
as
that
and
and
when
they,
when
I
had
lost
as
far
as
gains
and
loss
in
my
district,
even
when
we
moved
out
to
mary
hills
in
which
the
vice
chair,
he
he
he
was
kind
of
upset,
he
was
losing
some
of
his
minorities
there,
but
even
when
we
moved
out
to
to
get
that
balance
that
2
20
000.
still
when
we
moved
out,
I
still
I
didn't
lose
any
minorities
by
doing
that,
so
we're
just
trying
to
be
fair
and
balanced.
M
When,
when
we
made
the
decision
to
stretch
out
our
boundaries,
we
were
look,
we
wasn't
looking
at
people,
I
mean
we're
looking
at
ethnicity,
we're
looking
at
just
numbers
of
people.
It
just
happened
to.
We
stretched
beyond
our
boundaries.
It
they
were
still
minorities
in
those
areas.
So
we
were
very
fair
about
that.
M
A
J
Verse,
okay!
Well,
I
think
that
what
you
just
said,
mr
chair,
is
the
data
we
already
have
and
have
made
public.
We
have
shown
the
before
figures.
They
were
on
the
screen.
I
have
copies
of
it
and
we
have
shown
the
after
figures
by
race
by
all
of
that.
So
I
would,
I
would
hate
for
us
to
be
complicating
an
issue
that
has
been
has
happened
very
cleanly
and
straightforwardly.
J
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
noise
on
the
line
because
of
people
out
in
the
public
misunderstanding
or
intentionally
misunderstanding
because
they
weren't
at
the
table
and
actually
they
were
every
meeting
that
anything
decisions
were
made.
I've
been
public
and
have
been
and
they
have
been
at
the
table.
J
J
We
didn't
go
as
I
understand
we
meaning
the
logistics.
The
data
department
didn't
go
house
by
house
and
there
is
the
fact
that
people
are
moving
on
their
own.
So
what
I
would
like
for
this
not
to
do
is
to
turn
in
to
a
three-ring
circus,
because
people
are
lobbing
things
out
there
that
have
no
basis.
In
truth,
not
not
not
councilwoman
right.
I
think
her
question
was
a
righteous
question
and
I
think
we've
given
the
answer
to
that.
I
don't
know
why
people
have
moved.
J
This
has
been
one
of
the
most
straightforward
processes
and
it
has
been
followed
under
the
tutelage
of
our
legal
department.
Tonight
will
be
a
public
meeting
where
we
get
community
input,
not
community
argument.
Community
input
now,
allegedly-
and
I'm
saying
all
this,
because
it
should
be
of
record
allegedly
every
district
that
needed
to
met
with
their
districts.
J
That's
the
most
intimate
community
input
that
we
can
get
now
we're
having
the
big
meeting
every
one
of
these
were
public
meetings,
we're
having
the
big
meeting
so
that
we
get
the
big
community
input
and
I'm
understanding
you
correctly.
You
said
two
minutes
for
one
hour
and
it's
just
for
input.
It's
not
for
argument.
A
Time
for
the
council
to
listen
and
then
at
another
time,
if
council
has
you
know
any
input,
and
and
maybe
we
save
it
for
strategic
planning
next
week,
but
this
would
be
strictly
a
public
input
session.
J
We
are
listening.
We
are
not
responding.
That's
correct
at
this
point.
Okay,
so
I
think
that
when
something
this
important
happens,
I
think
you
do
it
straight.
J
I
think
you
do
it
according
to
law,
that's
federal
law,
state
law
and
we've
done
that,
and
sometimes
when
we
start
politicizing,
as
we
saw
our
brothers
and
sisters
doing
in
the
county,
you
can
end
up
having
a
very
difficult
situation,
and
so
this
county
has
act
this
this
committee
and
it's
been
a
committee
of
the
whole-
there
have
been
no
secret
meetings
of
the
smaller
group-
has
acted
honorably
and
according
to
law,
if
there
is
anyone
that
feels
that
there
have
not
been
sufficient
meetings
and
have
all
the
copies
of
the
law
that
people
have
sent
in
tonight
and
next
week,
we'll
cure
that
okay,
and
so
I
would
hope
that
council
argument
like
this
is
seductive.
A
A
K
Although
councilwoman
birds
that
you
feel
like
that,
my
answer
to
my
question
has
been
addressed,
it
hasn't
I
can
read,
and
I've
read
the
presentation
over
and
over
again
and
I've
looked
at
the
numbers,
what
I'm
asking
and
chip
he
hinted
to
it
exactly
what
I'm
asking
the
before
you
created
this
map,
based
on
the
numbers
that
you
already
had
so
the
first
slide
with
the
numbers.
That's
when
I
had
a
minimum
of
sixteen
thousand
seventeen
thousand
or
whatever
those
numbers
are.
What
I'm
asking
for
is
the
same
amount
of
black
people.
K
That's
in
the
category
where
it
says
black
those
same
people
amount
of
black
people
still
reside
in
the
district.
When
you
create
the
new
map
for
the
2025.,
what
were
those
numbers?
What
would
the
map
then
look
like
what?
What
would
the
area
of
the
districts
be
drawn
like
then,
if
the
same
set
of
people
which
are
black
people
live
in
those
continue
to
preside
in
three
or
two
or
wherever
they
were
at
leave
them
there
and
then
draw
them
out
and
a
map
that
reflects
that.
K
K
K
K
K
E
My
comment
was
just
for
the
record:
I
did
attend
councilwoman
coonrod's
redistricting,
meeting
thursday.
There
was
a
question
presented
about
where
the
data
originally
came
from,
and
that
was
from
ann
pierre
with
naacp
her
and
the
comment
was
it
came
from
the
census,
but
there
was
no
information
as
far
as
how
what
that
number
actually
was.
E
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
in
the
record
that
people
understood
that
the
numbers
that
you
see
on
on
our
data
website,
although
the
districts
and
how
they're
broken
down,
does
come
from
the
2020
census,
and
I
wanted
to
put
that
number
in
the
record
for
the
population
of
chattanooga,
which
is
a
hundred
and
eighty
one
thousand
and
ninety
nine
people.
So
when
you
take
that
number,
you
can
take
that
to
our
data
website
and
they
can
begin
to
see
those
numbers
come
together.
So
again,
the
census
population
for
2020.
E
Regardless
of
what
you
thought
about
the
census
process,
the
population
is
181,
099
people.
You
can
divide
that
by
nine
and
once
you
begin
to
look
at
the
slides,
specifically
slide,
seven,
you
can
see
those
numbers
add
up,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
in
a
record
because
a
point
of
confusion
started
there.
It
started
with
people,
not
knowing
the
the
data
went
up,
and
I
think
our
data
team
did
a
great
job
in
putting
it
up.
E
But
the
the
question
was:
where
did
this
data
originate
and
we
say
the
census,
but
I
don't
think
a
number
was
given
and
that
started
that
started
a
lot
of
confusion,
because
people
didn't
know
what
what
that
number
was.
Even
though
you
know
you
can
google
it
or
whatever,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
people
know
that
the
census
data
comes
from.
The
data
came
from
the
census
population,
which
again
is
181
099
people
in
the
city
of
chattanooga.
I
It
is,
it
is
a
request,
more
than
just
a
question
tonight,
we're
taking
public
comment
on
this
topic.
Is
there
any
possibility,
if,
if
it
seems,
warranted
to
have
a
brief,
either
explanation
or
slide
of
a
few
of
the
rules
that
we
need
to
follow
for
redistricting?
It
may
help.
For
example,
I've
heard
questions
about
lines
based
on
demographics.
I
Well,
there
are
certain
rules
that
have
to
be
followed.
Census
tracts
need
to
be
kept
together.
Every
line
that
moves
affects
districts
on
both
sides,
or
maybe
even
three
districts.
At
a
time
you
can't
arbitrarily
pick
a
neighborhood,
for
example,
so
there
are
certain
rules
in
redistricting
that
I
believe
needed
to
be
followed.
It
might
be
helpful
for
the
public
who's
going
to
make
comment
to
understand
that
that
those
are
some
of
the
guidelines
that
were
followed.
L
Yes,
I
will
go
and
grab
a
slide
from
the
presentation
that
we
provided
to
this
council
and
we
will
just
reiterate
that
so
ahead
of
public
comment,
if
that's
okay,
you
counseling,
okay
with
the
chair,
just
to
provide
some
context.
Okay,
all.
A
Right
all
right,
I'm
seeing
no
other
lights
at
this
time,
so
at
this
moment
we'll
be
adjourned
until
six
o'clock.