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From YouTube: Celebrate Life: Mark Furnari
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From Gary De Carolis:
I am the eldest son of an Italian American working class family raised in The Bronx, New York. After 12 years of parochial Catholic education, I attended the City University of New York, where I discovered the anti-war movement was more important than pre-med study and became a history major.
Discovery is my operative word: salesman, customer service, schoolteacher, window washer (40 story buildings), food cooperative manager, health care advocate/director, union organizer, electoral campaign worker/manager , city council staff, mediator, therapist, leadership development/coaching practice, entrepreneur. Throughout my life, my father, who lived to almost 100, would ask me, “what are you doing now, how do I describe your work to the family?”
The joy of three adult daughters, their families & offspring, currently 4 grandsons ages 2 months to 6 years living close by is a joy.
Five words: Curious, Lovable, Patient, Observant, Generous, Insightful
4/14/2023
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and
I
will
gladly
entertain
having
putting
you
on
the
schedule
and
if
you
have
a
question
for
our
guest,
also
write
to
me
at
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and
I'll
make
sure
that
our
guest
gets
that
question
and
answers
it
and
gets
it
back
to
you.
I'm
honored,
today
to
have
and
I'll
be
very
transparent
to
have
a
close
friend
of
mine,
Mark
finary,
who
I've
known
for
over
40
years
now
on
our
show
as
our
guest
welcome
mark.
A
B
Well,
first,
it's
it's
an
honor
to
be
on
the
show,
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
pleasure
out
of
watching
your
interviews
of
other
folks
and
I've
thought
a
little
bit
about
this.
You
know
you
gave
me
some
great
questions
and
to
think
about
and
I
was
born
in
the
Bronx.
The
son
of
a
Italian-American
family
and
I
folks
were
very
working
class.
My
father
worked
for
the
New
York
City
subway
system.
My
mom
was
a
housewife.
B
She
did
some
small
other
small
stuff
to
make
some
some
money
and
stuff,
but
she
was
mostly
domestically
focused.
I
love
the
phrase
domestic
engineer
because
she
was
certainly
certainly
one
very
loving
fan.
I
was
born
into
an
incredibly
loving
family
and
my
parents
had
an
exceptional
relationship.
They
were
deeply
in
love
the
total
time
they
were
together.
So
that's
where
but
born
in.
What's
called
Little
Italy
in
the
Bronx
a
little
south
of
Florida
University.
B
B
Very
Urban,
oriented
I,
lived
at
the
juncture
of
I
lived
at
the
juncture
of
the
botanical
gardens.
The
Bronx
Zoo
and
Fordham
University
right
outside
of
Little
Italy
I
could
literally
walk
into
any
of
those
environments
in
less
than
three
minutes
wow,
so
it
was
really,
but
it
was
Urban
and
I
played
a
lot
of.
You
know
it
was
very
I'm
just
saying
I'm
full
of
you
know
young
adults
which
adults
with
children
I
played
a
lot
of
ball.
B
I
read
a
lot
played
softball
slap
ball,
which
is
a
very
Urban
game
and
stickball
right,
yeah
I
played
in
the
streets
yeah
and
until
I
moved
to
the
east
Bronx.
When
I
was
a
little
older
about
10,
which
felt
like
the
country
I
actually
defined
it
sort
of.
As
like
the
country,
it
was
a
a
joke
to
anybody
who
lived
in
a
a
rural
area,
so
yeah.
B
B
A
B
Was
priceless
it?
It
started
at
my
grandmother's.
My
father's
family,
his
his
father
came,
was
born
in
Sicily
and
he
he
came
to
the
United
States
and
he
opened
up
a
barber
shop
in
the
Bronx
and
he
married
a
woman
who
ultimately
came
from
Abruzzi,
which
is
up
in
the
mountains
east
of
Rome,
and
that
was
large
family
gatherings.
My
father
was
one
of
six.
My
mother
was
one
of
four
and
literally
you
know.
B
A
B
A
B
My
goodness,
my
goodness,
my
father
worked
for
the
subway
system.
So
initially
I
wanted
to
be
a
railroad
engineer.
I'd
drive
a
railroad,
train
I
thought
about
becoming
a
physician.
You
know
when
I
actually
was
a
pre-med
student
when
I
first
went
to
college
and
walking
across
the
U.S
was
always
an
ambition
and
I
thought
about
becoming
a
librarian.
B
Those
were
early
things
that
I
I
wanted
to
do.
I
also
told
my
father
when
I
was
12,
that
I
wanted
to
be
a
priest
which
fits
into
a
hole.
He
he
wisely
told
me
to
think
about
it
for
a
few
years
and
he
would
help
me
if
that's
something
that
I
still
wanted
to
do,
but
it
is
connected
to
some
to
my
life
later
on
that
urge
to
what
was
embedded
in
there.
You
know
it's
connected
yeah,
okay,
I
loved
it.
You
know,
I
loved,
to
be
just
dreaming
about
what
I
could
do.
B
B
B
I
went
to
a
parochial,
Catholic,
parochial
school
12
years
for
both
Elementary
School
and
High
School.
It's
parochial
education.
You
know
parochial
is
defined
by
narrow
Narrows
interests
and
I.
You
know,
I
I
did
the
best.
I
could
I
was
a
pretty
high
academic
Learner
in
in
high
in
elementary
school
and
I
won
an
award.
You
know
we
graduated
from
elementary
school,
but
I
I
chose
the
wrong
high
school
and
a
parochial
school.
A
Catholic,
High,
School
and
I
didn't
realize
it.
I
knew
something
was
wrong
I.
B
B
Well,
I
didn't
really
buy
the
whole
religious
education
piece.
I
it
didn't
pass.
I
was
a
science,
mate,
I
loved
science
and
it
didn't
pass
what
I
you
know
what
I
respectfully
call
the
straight
face
test.
It
didn't
make
any
sense
at
all
and
I
didn't
know
what
to
do
with
it
because
on
one
hand,
earlier
I
wanted
to
become
a
priest
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
three
or
three
four
years
later
I
was
looking
around
saying
what
am
I
going
to
do
now.
B
A
B
And
they
they
were,
there
was
a
I.
Was
it
was
a
teacher?
A
sister.
Her
name
was
Kathleen
Donnelly.
She
was
my
eighth
grade
teacher.
She
became
president
of
the
principal
of
high
school
nearby,
all
girls.
She
was
the
person
I
really
started
to
turn
toward
history.
With
her
she
turned.
She
turned
the
class's
attention
towards
Civics
in
history
in
the
modern
world,
and
you
know
JFK,
and
you
know
she
was.
B
A
B
A
B
B
Sort
of
hanging
out
with
the
wrong
people
in
high
school,
taking
on
some
poor
Habits
Like
I,
became
a
smoker
in
high
school
and
I
started
to
drink
when
I
was
16
or
17
years
old.
You
know,
like
many
of
my
friends
and
those
became
abusive
situations
later
on.
I
had
a
really
consciously
changed.
Those
but
I
did
you
know.
I
was
really
interested
in
Chaz
pocket,
billiards
hiking,
the
natural
world
I
was
I,
always
looked.
You
know,
I
was
out
at
all
the
parks.
A
B
Oh
yeah,
my
driver's
license
I
wasn't
in
a
hurry
right
away:
I
wasn't
in
a
hurry.
I
got
my
driver
license
kind
of
when
I
was
17,
because
I
was
still
discovering
New
York
City,
using
the
mass
transit
system
and
going
places
Greenwich
Village,
looking
at
art,
art
stuff.
Looking
at
the
City
University
of
New
York,
which
I
ultimately
went
to
and
just
discovering
the
city
and
saying
whoa.
B
This
is
amazing,
you
know,
and
so
I
wasn't
and
when
I've
got
a
license,
I
started
to
go
with
my
friends:
go
to
Natural
areas.
You
know
large
Parks
out
in
Jersey
upstate
New
York
up
in
Connecticut
up
in
the
northwest
corner
of
Connecticut,
where
it
meets
Massachusetts
I
started
just
traveling
around.
B
A
A
B
I
had
I
I
had
a
an
evolution,
a
revolution
there.
You
know,
but
it
was
definitely
the
right
place
for
me
and
I
discovered
that
the
anti-war
movement
was
more
important
to
me
than
the
study
of
medicine.
At
that
time
and
I
moved
over
to
being
a
history
major
a
little
bit.
It's
just
a
Kathleen's
push.
I
became
a
history.
Major
thinking,
I
would
ultimately
do
maybe
teach,
or
what
have
you
and.
A
B
B
B
B
Oh,
my
goodness,
you
know
well,
you
know
you're
you're
close
to
my
age.
You
know
I
watched,
you
know
the
war
was
on
television,
the
death
and
destruction
that
we
reigned
on.
Innocent
people
was
on
television,
and
my
father
was
a
decorated,
World
War
II
hero
a
member
of
Israeli.
He
wasn't
Jewish,
but
he
wasn't
for
for
for
saving
Jewish
concentration
camp
victims
as
a
medic,
he
was
awarded
a
righteous
among
nations.
He
was
a
proud
World,
War,
II,
veteran
yeah
and
the
war
of
the
war.
B
The
Vietnam
War
was
track
was
a
travesty
and
it
impacted
me.
You
know
matter
of
fact:
can
I
tell
you
a
short
story.
Sure.
Absolutely
one
day,
shortly
after
I
started
to
go
into
college,
there
was
a
protest
movement
right
in
front
of
the
school
and
when
somebody
was
singing
with
a
guitar
and
singing
any
war,
songs
and
I
was
with
some
friends
from
high
school
who
came
to
visit
me.
You
know
we
went
outside
and
they
started
making
fun
of
this
person
and
jeering
them,
and
he
had
two
guitars
with
him
one.
B
He
was
playing
and
another
one
leaning
against
a
fire.
Hydrant
I
picked
up
the
one
against
the
fire
hydrant
and
broke
it
over
the
fire,
hydrant
whoa
and
walked
and
walked
away,
wow
wow,
but
the
story
doesn't
end
there.
Next,
the
next
semester
I'm
in
an
organic
chemistry
class
in
the
first
couple
of
days-
and
this
fellow
sits
next
to
me
in
the
room.
You
know
he
sits
right
next
to
me
and
starts
talking
to
me
we're
back
and
forth
and
stuff,
and
it's
right
before
lunch,
and
he
says
what
are
you
doing
right
now?
B
I
said
I,
don't
know,
I
said
I'm
not
doing
anything.
He
goes
you
want
if
we
had
a
sandwich
together.
I
said
I
love
that
you
know.
So
we
went
off
campus
a
little
bit
this
a
couple
of
blocks
away,
we're
sitting
down
and
was
talking
we're
starting
to
know
each
other,
and
he
said
to
me
he
said:
do
you
remember
me
and
I
said
no?
Have
we
met
before
and
he
said
yes,
he
said
we
met
out
in
the
street
in
the
spring
he
said
you
broke
my
guitar
over
a
fire
hydrant.
B
Oh,
my
goodness
and
I
looked
at
him
and
I
was
I
was
like
you
know
a
number
a
month
passed
by
and
they
said.
Oh,
my
goodness
I
said
I'm.
Sorry
on
my
on
my
word,
I
said:
let
me
buy
you.
Lunch
and
I'll
replace
your
guitar
and
he
said
he's
nodding
his
head
and
he
says
I'll
tell
you
what
he
said:
I
mean
lunch.
I
don't
want
my
guitar
replaced.
B
He
said
it
wasn't
that
good
of
a
guitar
anyway
and
I
said
I
started
laughing
I
said
I,
don't
even
know
what
to
say
to
you
and
he
said
to
me:
I'll
tell
you
what
All
Is
Forgiven.
If
you
can
come
with
me
to
a
meeting
because
do
you
know
anything
about
the
Vietnam,
War
and
I
said
no
I
don't,
and
he
said
to
me.
If
you
come
to
a
meeting
with
me
one
meeting,
he
goes
we're
Square
I
said:
okay.
Where
am
I
going?
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
Many
times
I
love,
I
love.
You
know,
I
love,
I've
done
many,
many
different
things
and
my
operative
word
is
Discovery
yeah.
You
know
I'm
curious,
almost
to
a
fault,
sometimes
and
Discovery,
and
also
I'm
addicted
to
transformation,
both
my
own
and
helping
other
people.
For
me,
it's
a
passion
if
I
can
facilitate
someone
else's
transformation
in
a
respectful
way
and.
A
B
A
B
Oh
I
was
it,
was
you
know
it
was.
The
anti-war
movement
was
in
full
bloom.
The
year
was
1970.
I
filled
out
a
conscientious
objection,
form
and
applied
to
applied
to
Immokalee
for
Canadian,
immigrancy
and
I
was
in
going
along
in
those
processes,
and
those
are
long
stories
but
I
I,
the
lottery
came
about
and
I
drew
a
high
number.
A
B
I
drew
I,
drew
a
buy,
I
threw
number
326
and
if
you
were
in
the
top
the
high
third
you
weren't
going
to
get
drafted
right.
I
had
a
girlfriend
who
later
became
my
wife
and
we
did.
We
were
reading
back
the
back
to
the
land
movement
and
we
had
traveled
across
country
on
two
large
camping
trips
in
one
summer
and
I
loved
national
parks.
B
B
B
B
I
went
to
graduate
school
up
in
Buffalo
then
to
get
my
teaching
to
sort
of
certificate
and
taught
in
a
local
school
you
know,
but
what
we
didn't
know
we
didn't
understand
what
we
were
really
doing
and
the
kind
of
emotional
communicative
skill
you
need
to
live
with
a
group
of
strangers
in
close
proximity,
and
you
know
in
a
big
house
on
a
isolated
piece
of
land
trying
to
go
back
to
the
land.
Whatever
that
note
right,
yeah.
A
B
We
made
a
decision
to
end
end
the
relationship
around
the
group,
the
group
ownership
of
the
farm
we
sold
it
and
I
had
we
were
I,
was
interested
in
going
up
to
the
northern
Adirondacks
and
Mary.
My
first
wife
and
I
said
yeah.
Let's
do
that.
So
we
went
up
to
Potsdam,
Canton
and
Potsdam.
We
knew
there
were
University
towns
when
we
were
drawn
to
University
towns,
because
we
wanted
the
diversity
of
in
people.
We
wanted
young
people
around.
He
wanted
the
ability
to
take
courses
and
discourse.
A
B
So
I
went
to
Potsdam
and
I
got
offered
an
adjunct.
Faculty
position,
teaching
history
starting
out.
You
know
at
practically
no
money
at
all.
We
were
renting
a
small
place,
sort
of
I'm
going
to
be
complimentary
and
call
it
a
reconverted
chicken,
coop
and
and
we
we
were
renting
a
place
and
we
had
a
friend
here
who
I
knew
from
New
York
City
in
Burlington
a
number
of
years
ago
went
out
with
a
friend
of
Mary's
yeah
and
he
and
we
and
she
invited
us
to
come
over
here.
B
It
was
the
September
of
1973..
It
was
over
Labor
Day
weekend
and
we
came
over
here,
a
wonderful
woman
and
she
put
us
up
for
a
weekend.
I
I
looked
around
in
Burlington
and
thought
about
where
I
was
and
looked
at,
Mary
and
said.
This
is
no
there's
no
comparison
here.
Yeah,
let's
move
now,
and
so
that's
what
we
did.
You
know
yeah
we
went,
we
went
back,
we
packed
up
our
stuff.
A
B
A
B
B
You've
got
a
great
memory,
you're
right,
we
I
lived
upstairs
there
with
Larry
and
we
were
renting
the
space
and
the
building
came
up
for
sale
and
I
put
up
the
money
to
buy
the
building.
I
had
cash
left
over
from
the
farm
in
Western,
New,
York,
State
and
I
said
Larry
I'll
I'll
lend
the
co-op
some
money.
I
know
the
co-op
can
pay
me
back
and
that's
what
happened.
We
bought
that
building
Archibald
wow
wow
amazing
God
you're,
bringing
back
some
of
the
best
memories,
Gary.
A
B
You
settled
into
Burlington,
I
did
yeah
Burlington
and
I
started
to
get
involved
in
local
local
stuff,
going
on
you
know,
and
by
Nature
I
started
to
get
involved
in
political
stuff
too,
which
was
really
good.
You
know
Liberty
Union
party
I,
remember
when
friends
later
friends
began
to
run
for
office,
Bernie
Sanders
I
got
to
I
met
Bernie.
There
set
up
doing
some
work
with
him
and
working
on
his
campaigns
later.
B
Good
man,
tremendous
Integrity,
yeah,
so
I
started
to
you
know,
do
stuff
in
town
and
and
yeah,
and
then
I
got
involved
in
a
political
movement
that
was
based
on
a
socialism.
Actually,
it
was
a.
It
was
a
an
American,
a
new
American
Communist
party.
It
wasn't
the
Communist
Party
USA,
it
was
the
Communist
Party
Marxist
leninist,
and
it
believed
it
leaned
more
toward
what
was
going
on
in
China
as
a
model
than
what
was
going
on
in
the
Soviet,
Union
and
I.
B
Didn't
really
know
much
about
this,
but
I
I
figured
I
would
learn,
I
would
learn
so
I
was
a
bit
impulsive
and
I
got
involved
in
this
and
I
learned
a
lot.
I
learned
that
you
know
I
learned
to
avoid
political
Cults
that
respect
autocrats
and
you
know
I
stayed
with
it
and
did
some
I
did
some
Union
organizing
went
to
work
at
the
hospital
for
a
while,
so
I
went
back
into
Hospital
work,
which
was
really
fun.
I
met
some
good
people.
A
B
B
B
A
B
A
So
Mark,
if
we
just
pause
for
a
second
I,
mean
I.
You
know
if
you
believe
in
that
notion
that
we
all
are
a
combination
of
all
kinds
of
people
in
our
life
that
we
build
upon.
Who
were
some
of
your
mentors,
some
of
the
people
that
you
you
worked
with,
looked
up
to
learn
from
Grew
From
that
really
helped
make
you
who
you
are
today.
B
B
But
you
know
later
I
think
that
when
I
was
younger,
you
know
it
was.
You
know,
I
said
suspect
that
sister
was
Ike,
Eisenhower
I
remember,
liking
him
Martin,
Luther,
King
I.
Remember
a
lot
who
he
influenced
me:
the
Kennedy
Brothers,
but
you
know
in
terms
of
vocational
stuff.
You
know
Susan
Terry,
head
of
the
Woodbury
program
as
a
mediator
made
a
huge
difference
in
my
life
because
she
watched
me
work
for
a
while
and
she
really
questioned
whether
I
really
wanted
to
be
a
mediator.
Could
I
stop?
B
B
B
You
know
in
terms
of
how
to
take
the
neutral
ground
and
stuff
and
the
city
councilors
whether
it
was
you
or
oh,
my
God
I'm,
remembering
some
of
the
folks
I
used
to
work
with
you
know,
Earhart
monka
and
who
I
really
loved,
Earhart
and
working
with
him,
and
it
was
a
woman,
Zoe
Briner,
Zoe,
Brian,
Zoe
Russ,
a
rick
musty
loved
Rick
yeah
and
the
people
that
got
that
came
in
later
on.
You
know:
I
worked
with
great
people
at
City
Hall,
who
were
staff.
A
B
B
B
I
found
political
analysis
wanting
for
me.
It
didn't
give
me
an
understanding
of
people
and
why
they
did
things
like
I.
You
know,
I
saw
people
in
political
parties,
you
know
while
I
was
staff
person
for
the
city
council
I
did
some
work
for
Democrats
and
Republicans,
not
just
progressives
at
that
time
or
Independence
and
I
I
really
wanted
the
human
piece,
because
I
would
people
could
do
work
but
I
didn't
see.
The
people
became
easily
transformed
by
political
identification.
A
B
Do
you
know
that
about
yourself
and
I
said
no
I,
don't
I
only
took
a
you
know
as
a
a
broad
introductory
course
in
Psychology,
when
I
was
in
college,
but
I.
Really,
the
professor
wasn't
that
good
and
I
wasn't
that
interested
in
it.
She
said:
I
recommend
that
you
take
some
courses.
Take
a
couple
of
courses.
I
said
really
she
goes
yeah.
You
would
you're
gonna
like
it
a
lot,
because
the
questions
you
asked
and
that's
what
happened.
B
Yeah
I
turned
away
from
politics
because
and
I'm
going
to
say
something:
I
don't
mean
it
as
in
in
a
way,
that's
anything
but
appreciative
for
the
people
who
do
the
work.
Sure
I
found
it
superficial
political
work
and
I
wanted
something
that
went
deeper
right
and
you
know,
and
then
I
also
had
my
own
process.
My
own,
you
know
moving
away
from
substance,
a
use
and.
A
B
B
Yeah
it
was,
it
was
hard
for
me
to
turn
in
and
lead
the
other
behind,
because
I
had
spent
years,
developing
myself
as
an
agent
for
external
change
and
had
made
fabulous,
wonderful,
become
friends
with
fabulous
people.
Highly
motivated,
skilled
human
beings
and
I
found
myself
moving
away
from
that,
and
there
was
a
loss
there.
Yeah
I.
A
B
B
So
it
became
leadership,
development,
coaching
people
who
were
Executives
managers,
team
leaders
and
I,
then
I
became
I
hit
I
hit
heaven
when
I,
because
I
became
friends
with
people
who
were
doing
that
work
prior
longer
than
I
have
and
just
wonderful
human
beings,
both
Peter
Cole,
which
is
certainly
a
mentor
and
another
one.
Another
person
who
I'm
forgetting
right
now:
Marilyn
I'm,
forgetting
your
name.
It's
aging,
you
know
what
can
I
tell
you
and
and
I
learned
from
those
people,
what
tools
to
use
and
really
how
to
do.
B
The
work
and
I've
been
doing
that
work.
Actually,
since
you
know
really
engaged
in
leadership,
development
work
still
do
some
mediation
and
conflict
resolution
in
the
workplace.
I
moved
away
from
doing
counseling.
I
only
did
counseling
work
like
traditional
therapy
work
for
about
a
year
and
I
found
that
I
didn't
like
the
50-minute
hour.
I
wasn't
interested
in
doing
seeing
people
that
way
and
working
with
people
that
way
all
the
time
right
and
so
I
moved
toward
workplace
stuff,
which
is
what
I've
been
yeah
I'm
still
doing.
It.
B
A
B
Gotta
tell
you:
I
was
a
little
surprised
because
I
thought
they
were.
You
know
they
had
made
lives
in
these
other
locations
and
had
friends,
they
had
some
great
friends
and
they
started
to
move
back.
My
oldest
daughter
moved
backstage
for
a
summer
and
her
and
her
future
husband
loved
it
here,
they're
they're,
here
now
they
have,
they
just
had
their
first
child
here
now
they
just
had
their
second
child.
Two
months
ago,
all
boys
and
then
my
middle
daughter,
moved
here
with
her
son
and
just
had
another
child.
B
B
A
B
A
B
Yeah,
you
know
there
are
a
few
things.
The
first
thing
is
I
I
have
a
quote.
That's
on
the
bottom
of
my
email
and
many
people
talk
to
me
about
it.
They
say
they
like
it.
It
says
it's
in
those
individuals
whose
thoughts
or
behaviors
challenge
us
have
the
potential
to
be
our
greatest
teachers
and
I
really
believe
that
you
know
when
I
don't
understand
someone.
B
I,
you
know,
I
might
get
irritated
initially.
I
might
start
to
lose
patience
a
little
bit.
There's
an
internal
part
of
me
that
says:
wait
a
minute
Mark.
What
are
you
going
to
learn,
I'm
addicted
to
learning?
That's
I
mean
I
love
it,
and
so
what
are
you
going
to
learn?
What's
this
person
going
to
teach
you.
A
B
Know
and
as
opposed
to
saying
you
know
this
person's
well,
you
fill
in
the
spot.
You
fill
in
the
line.
I'm
like
okay
I've
got
something
to
learn
here.
What's
it
going
to
be
and
I
go
and
that's
my
and
that's
a
great
feed
for
my
curiosity
and
I
am
patient,
sometimes
I'm
impulsive,
but
I'm?
Basically,
a
patient
person
and
I
like
to
be
to
think
things
through
and
be
insightful,
be
less
impulsive
and
the
other
thing
is
you
ask
me
what
would
be
my
words
to
people
out
there?
B
You
know
my
you
know
is
to
integrate
the
pursuit
of
joy
and
purpose
into
your
life,
I.
Think
in
this
culture
you
know,
particularly
if
you're
a
man
growing
up
when
we
grew
up.
You
know
you
were
the
your
males
around
you
mentored
and
modeled
being
the
breadwinner
a
lot.
You
know,
and
you
know
at
the
sacrifice
of
pursuing
Joy
in
your
life.
What
brings
you
happiness
and
and
developing
emotional
and
capacity
emotional
intelligence,
a
lot
of
men,
our
age?
You
know
this,
their
emotional
intelligence
is
is
compromised.
B
They're
good
people,
you
know
everybody's
trying
to
do
their
best,
but
you
know
emotional
intelligence
is
a
whole
skill
set
and
you
know,
and
in
the
workplace
I
think
it's
value
being
valued.
More
and
more,
do
you
have
emotional
intelligence?
You
know
you're
a
valuable
part
of
a
team
you
can
lead.
You
can
lead
a
team
of
people
yeah
if
you
don't
have
emotional
intelligence
and
you're
focused
on
data
or
just
content
or
you
you're
driving
for
results
all
the
time
you
know
you're
gonna
miss
something
yeah
is.
B
A
You
you
know
when
I'm
listening
to
you
I.
May
it
made
me,
go
back
to
that
guitar
incident
and
wondering
if
you
challenged
that
guy
who
was
playing
music
on
the
on
campus,
if
he
was
curious
to
learn
something
from
what
you
did.
Yes,
that
you
might
have
taught
him
something
during
that
whole
thing
too
yeah.
He.
B
I
mean
he
was
very
he,
as
you
said
it
before.
He
was
very
present,
I
mean
in
a
way
that
was
unusual.
Then,
like
I
never
knew
about
his
family.
You
know
it
would
be
interesting
is
like:
where
did
he
develop?
That
kind
of
presence
from
you
know,
but
he
he
he
asked
questions
he
was
patient.
He
listened,
you
know
he
was
curious
about
my
life
and
he
said
to
me:
I
mean
you,
don't
really
know
much
about
the
Vietnam
War.
Do
you.
B
B
B
You
know
when
I
read
about
those
later
on
I
recently,
I
just
finished
a
book
by
the
Dalai
Lama
talk
about
somebody
who
can
influence
your
life.
It
was
that
you'd
love
it.
It's
an
exchange.
I
recommend
it
for
anyone.
It's
called
The
Book
of
joy.
It's
a
it's!
A
dialogue
between
the
Dalai,
Lama
and
Archbishop
tutu,
a
facilitating
dialogue
and
out
of
it
came
the
book
wow,
it's
a
wow
like
you,
you
listen
to
them.
B
Talking
I
mean
I,
used
it
as
an
audio
book,
because
you
can
hear
tutu
he
in
his
voice
and
there's
an
an
Asian
man
translating
the
Dalai
Lama
and
it
you
can
read
it
to
him.
That's
fine,
too,
but
you
can
put
that
you
know
the
voices
in
there.
But
you
do
you
get
the
emotion
by
listening
to
it
and
the
Deep
the
deepest
respect
that
these
people
have,
and
it
reminded
me
of
my
parents.
I
said
you
know
my
father:
here's
a
beauty,
my
father,
they
were
religious
people.
B
My
mom
was
a
Eucharistic
Minister
for
the
Catholic
Church,
my
dad
later
in
life.
My
dad
and
her
went
to
a
tour
of
Israel
in
Egypt
when
he
was
on
tour
and
they
were
going
through
the
working
class
and
poor
areas
of
Egypt.
All
he
was
doing
was
giving
away
money.
He
wasn't
satisfied
unless
his
wallet
was
empty
when
he
got
back
to.
B
A
B
B
I'm
still
working
I'm
still
working
on
it,
I
have
a
new,
very
sweet,
new
relationship
in
my
life,
very
very,
very
nice
woman,
and
she,
her
interests
are
different
than
mine
and
overlap
and
she's
taking
me
in
a
different,
a
different
direction.
You
know,
through
my
friendship
with
her
and
I'm
queuing
up
something
else.
B
You
know
I
think
I'm
gonna
do
more
of
the
same
of
what
I've
been
doing
the
last
few
years,
working
with
people
and
transforming
themselves
and
and
transforming
myself
in
the
process
and
spending
more
time
in
nature.
Even
more
you
know,
I
I
was
a
beekeeper
at
one
time
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
I'm.
Just
looking
into
getting
a
high
of
my
my
grandson,
my
eldest
grandson
said
beef.
B
Well,
he
calls
me
oopi,
it's
a
long
story
and-
and
he
says,
oopie
you're
gonna
have
bees
and
I
said
yeah
I'm
gonna
have
bees
in
the
backyard
I'm
going
to
show
you
how
to
open
a
hive.
Wow
he's
like
are
we
gonna
get
stung.
I
said
maybe,
but
probably
not
do
bees
hurt.
I
said
it
can
hurt.
I
said
you
got
to
get
the
stinger
out
right
away,
I
say:
epidyl
hurt
a
little
bit,
but
don't
worry
about
it.
I'll
show
you
what
I
do.
A
B
Yes,
you
know
someone
just
asked
me
said:
Mark,
you
have
you
have
four
Sons,
you
have
three
daughters,
you
know
what
do
you
think
of
that
and
I
said
I
said
this
to
my
daughters
and
their
families
too.
I
said:
look
our
job.
I
said
when
you
were
young,
the
daughters.
Our
job
was
to
raise
strong,
resilient,
smart
young
women
who
would
not
back
down
easily
they
could
they
could
push
back
and
with
men.
It's
developed,
strong,
competent,
emotionally
Savvy
men
who
are
also
sensitive.
B
A
B
A
B
And
and
I'm
from
76
now
and
I'm
really
happy
I
did
it
for
a
number
of
reasons.
Yeah
I
was
flying
to
Mexico
man.
Sitting
next
to
me
is
active
in
real
estate
in
Dallas
and
Mexico
near
near
San,
Miguel
Allende.
He
started
asking
me
what
I
do
I
started,
asking
him
what
he
does
at
the
end
of
the
conversation
we
exchanged
emails.
He
gave
me
a
tour
in
Mexico
of
real
estate
stuff
that
he
was
up
to
with
a
partner
and
I
said
you
know
Stephen.