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From YouTube: Johannah Donovan | Celebrate Life
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From Gary De Carolis:
Five words that describe Johannah: Funny, progressive, passionate, lover of learning, traveler
Donovan was born at the Bishop DeGoesbriand Hospital in Burlington on a late summer evening to Bernard Leddy and Johannah Mahoney. She eventually became a classic middle child with an older sister and brother and a younger brother and sister. Her family lived in the new north end on Staniford Road in a developing neighborhood, so there was aways action and new neighbors to meet. At the age of five she was enrolled at Thayer School afternoon session and she walked to school alone. An early lesson in independence.
5/19/2023
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A
Welcome
to
another
show
of
Celebrate
life.
Actually,
today
is
the
second
anniversary
of
the
beginning
of
the
show.
So
we're
happy
to
be
doing
this
for
two
years
now.
My
name
is
Gary
decarlis
and
I'll
be
your
host
for
today,
over
the
years,
I've
read
too
many
obituaries
that
left
me
pondering.
Why
did
I
I
not
have
a
chance
to
meet
this
person
while
they
were
alive?
The
goal
of
this
show
is
to
celebrate
people's
lives
while
they're
very
much
part
of
our
community.
A
Some
people
you'll
recognize
other
people
you
may
not,
but
I
can
tell
you
this.
Everyone
has
a
story
to
tell
if
you
would
like
to
be
interviewed
on
the
show.
Please
get
in
touch
with
me
at
Celebrate,
Life,
zero,
seven,
four,
seven
at
gmail.com
or
if
you
have
a
question
for
our
guests,
who
is
Joey
Donovan
today,
please
again
send
me
an
email
at
celebratelife0747,
gmail.com
and
I'll,
get
it
over
to
Joey.
B
Well,
I
was
actually
a
native
burlingtonian
and
there
are,
as
the
older
I
get
the
fewer
I
think
we
are
and
I
was
born
of
the
DU
Osman
Hospital.
And
then
my
parents
took
me
home
to
a
our
first
home,
which
was
on
standard
Road
in
the
new
North
End,
and
that
was
a
wonderful
neighborhood
at
the
time
because
Oakland
Terrace
and
other
streets
are
being
developed.
B
So
there
was
always
an
opportunity
to
have
see
some
action,
some
great
machinery
and
fellows
telling
you
to
get
out
of
the
way
and
and
but
always
looking
forward
to
more
kids
moving
in,
and
so
we
we
had
a
wonderful
life
out
there.
The
new
North,
End
and
I
went
for
one
year
to
a
kindergarten
at
the
old
Thayer
school.
It's
now
I
think
it's
a
drugstore.
B
A
A
B
B
Yes,
I
think
my
father
used
to
come
home
for
lunch
every
day
and
his
he
was
a
lawyer
and
he
his
office
was
at
200,
Main,
Street
and
I.
Think
at
some
point
he
decided
it
just
was
too
far
to
come
home
for
lunch.
So
instead
we
had
to
all
move
in
town
to
make
it
easier
for
him
to
come
home
for
lunch.
Interesting
and
we
all
went
home.
My
brothers,
who
were
Cathedral
Guerrera
school
I,
was
at
Mount
St
Mary's.
B
Everybody
came
home
for
lunch,
and
my
mother
God
bless
her
used
to.
We
have
almost
like
a
dinner
for
lunch,
and
you
know
it.
We'd
have
roast
chicken
at
night
and
have
pot
roast
or
something
for
lunch.
Wow
I
often
wonder
about
how
she
ever
got
through
those
days
because
it
was
they
were
long
days,
but
a
lot
of
things
to
do.
Wow.
B
B
B
and
it
was
a
shock
to
all
of
us
and
certainly
to
you
know,
friends
and
neighbors
and
people
in
Burlington,
and
he
had
served
a
long
time
back
in
the
I
think
the
early
30s
and
40s
on
the
park
Commission
in
Burlington,
and
he
he
just
loved.
He
was
a
farm
boy
from
Underhill,
so
he
loved
country
settings
he
loved
the
environment.
He
was.
A
B
Amazing,
my
mother
used
to
buy
birthday
cakes
for
my
children
from
the
Carvel
ice
cream
cake
thing
in
the
shopping
center
and
I.
Remember,
I
was
going
to
pick
up
a
cake
one
day
and
this
very
nice
woman
who
was
working
the
counter
said
you
know
she
had
my
mother's
name,
Mrs
Letty
and
she
said
oh,
my
gosh.
It
was
so
nice
of
your
family
to
donate
all
that
land
honey.
If
we
owned
an
inch
of
it,
I've
been
living
there
now
isn't.
A
A
B
Well,
I
think
I
wanted
to
be
a
cowgirl.
Okay,
I
was
very
into
Annie,
Oakley
and
and
cowboys
as
well.
I
was
a
great
fan
of
Gene,
Autry's
and
I
thought.
Roy
Rogers
was
trying
to
take
his
title
of
King
of
the
Cowboys,
so
I
I,
just
I
I,
was
taken
with
them.
The
old
west
and
cowboys
and
everything
so
I
think
I,
probably
would
have
maybe
featured
a
a
stint
as
the
Annie
Oakley
in
something
but
I
don't
think
I
could
ever
ride
the
horse
that
she
did,
but.
B
B
Teenagers
make.
And,
to
my
surprise,
he
finally
said
it
would
be
okay,
so,
as
at
14
years
old
I,
the
high
school
at
that
time
was
on
Pearl
Street
in
downtown,
but
they
didn't
have
room
for
all
four
grades.
So
freshmen
used
to
go
to
the
Pomeroy
School,
which
was
an
old
school
that
lived
again
like
the.
B
A
B
A
B
B
Well,
to
win
an
election,
yeah
I
think
he
was
a
nervous
wreck
because
the
recount
didn't
happen
until
January
and
it
happened
in
the
second
floor
of
the
house
committee
rooms
and
so
no
one
knew
who
was
governor
of
Vermont
until
goodness,
that
recount
happened
wow
and
it
was
a.
It
was
kind
of
a
a
telling
story,
because
some
of
the
clerks
brought
the
ballots
up
to
Montpelier
for
the
recount
and
some
some
ballots
were
destroyed
by
rats.
Oh.
A
B
A
A
B
B
A
B
A
B
B
B
I
did
I
did
enjoy
it,
I
think
I
was
saying
to
people
last
night
I
think
my
problem
was
I
had
my
own
personal
curriculum
and
it
didn't
always
match
with
the
curriculum
that
the
teacher
in
the
room
was
trying
to
teach
me.
I,
I,
loved
reading,
I,
loved
reading
history
and
and
I
think
that
too
came
from
my
mother.
She
always
would
buy
these.
There
were
two
different
books.
She
would
buy.
B
There's
the
The
Landmark
book,
which
was
a
biography
of
some
great
American
hero
or
a
leader
or
whatever,
and
then
there
was
a
Catholic
version
of
that
and
it
told
lives
of
the
great
saints
that
we
should
yes,
but
I.
Think
I
read
all
the
bobsey
Twins
and
just
you
know,
I
loved
to
read
it.
It
was
wonderful.
B
I
I
went
to
Massachusetts
to
a
Catholic
College
there.
It
was
Merrimack
College,
which
is
run
by
the
same
priest
at
Ron,
Villanova
and
I
I
think
I
needed
to
a
change.
So
I
went
there
for
two
years
and
then
it
it
was.
It
was
kind
of
Rural
and
I
decided.
You
know,
I
didn't
want
so
I
came
back
to
Vermont
and
I
went
to
see
the
admissions
chair
at
the
University
of
Vermont,
where
I
intended
to
transfer
to.
A
B
Geez
and
so
as
I
started
to
do
the
the
math
about
getting
credits,
I
thought,
oh,
that
that
would
add
a
whole
another
semester
on
on
my
college,
career
and
I,
didn't
think
my
father
would
approve
of
that.
So
I
ended
up
going
to
see
sister
Patrick,
who
you
probably
know,
as
sister
Elizabeth
Camden
at
Trinity,
and
she
welcomed
me
and
my
philosophy
and
my
theology
credits.
B
I
lived
at
home
during
that
time,
because
I
was
so
fearful
of
trying
to
live
a
trinity
because
the
sisters
were
quite
strict
and
they
had
very
strict
curfews
and
I
thought.
Oh
I
would
be
setting
myself
up
for
trouble
because
I'd
probably
get
thrown
out
on
me,
and
that
would
be
another
awful
blow
to
my
parents.
So
so
I
had
I
made
a
lot
of
wonderful
friends
at
Trinity
and
and
at
UVM
and
had
a
great
time
of
being
a
day
hop
going
to
school.
B
B
B
B
A
B
Her
name
was
Mary
and
she
came
in
and
said
she
needed
a
new
bed
and
she
had,
and
so
I
went
to
her
home
and
the
bed
was
was
fairly
old
and
kind
of
the
mattress
wasn't
as
fresh
as
it
could
be.
So
I
said
okay,
so
she
went
out
and
found
a
couple
of
estimates,
but
she
was
bringing
in
estimates
for
a
double
bed
and.
A
B
Knew
my
supervisor
would
never
okay
a
double
bed
or
a
single
woman
right
yeah.
She
had
four
kids
and
she
was
a
terrific
lady,
but
so
I
had
to
refuse
her
the
the
voucher
for
the
single
bed
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
Mary
kept
coming
in
for
she
come
in
every
day
and
I
was
on
the
fourth
floor.
I'd
have
to
go
downstairs
and
she
would
say
to
me:
Ms
Lenny
I
fell
out
of
bed
four
times
last
night.
B
You're
gonna
kill
me
and
that
would
go
on
for
several
weeks
and
you
know
I
would
try
to
explain
I'm.
So
sorry,
Mary
I'll
be
down
to
see
you
and
see
your
bed
anyway.
All
of
a
sudden
she
was
coming
in
for
grocery
orders,
emergency
grocery
orders
and
I
thought
I'd
finally
had
to
say
to
her.
You
got
yourself
a
new
bed,
didn't
you
marry
and
she
had.
A
A
B
B
Coming
from
Vermont,
yeah
and
I
think
I,
you
know,
I
was
in
Boston
when
Martin
Luther
King
was
assassinated
and
I
went
to
work
the
next
morning
and
the
supervisor
came
to
all
of
us
Caucasians
and
said
you
need
to
leave
the
area
now.
You're,
not
safe
here,
and
that
was
I.
Remember
just
walking
through
the
parking
lot
sobbing,
because
I
thought
you
know,
I
felt
such
a
loss
for,
but
to
think
that
we
were
in
that
place
where
you.
A
A
B
Back
Tom
went
to
law
school
and
that's
your
husband,
yes
and
I
was
amazed
and
he
did
it
by
attending
law
school
at
night
because
he
picked
his
job
during
the
day
and
we
started
a
family
and
after
law
school,
and
it
was
such
a
wonderful
time
that
he
and
I
don't
know
how
he
ever
accomplished
it.
But
he
announced
he's
going
to
take
the
Vermont,
Bar
and
I
thought
really
I
couldn't
believe
it
because
he
was.
He
was
a
first
generation
Irish
at
both.
B
A
B
How
how
much
they
had
liked
him
and
admired
him?
You
know,
and
he
once
it
when
I
was
working
for
Vermont,
adult
learning,
I
taught
English
as
a
second
language.
For
a
while
and
I
worked
with
a
number
of
Vietnamese
folks
and
this
one
woman
was,
she
had
an
extraordinary
story,
but
she
was
going
to.
She
was
going
to
move
to
South
Carolina,
because
her
daughter
that
she
lived
with
got
a
degree
opportunity
down
there.
B
So
there's
just
going
to
be
this
one
daughter
who
was
finishing
school
and
so
I
asked
Tom.
If
she
could,
he
would
rent
to
her-
and
he
said:
oh,
yes,
and
so
then
he'd
come
home
every
night
and
she
was
a
fabulous
Vietnamese
cook,
but
that
sometimes
the
food
that
the
Vietnamese
use
can
stay
be
a
little
bit
pungent
for
a
while
right.
B
B
A
B
So
he
had
he
had.
He
was
in
the
middle
of
all
these
girls
and
when
TJ
was
running
for
State's,
Attorney
I
think
the
first
time
he
was
had
some
sort
of
a
house
party,
and
you
know
he
was
trying
to
sell
the
public
on
the
fact
that,
because
of
his
sisters,
he
was
so
into
women's
issues
and
of
course
they
were
standing
right
behind
him
going.
What
a
dope.
A
B
Politics,
no,
my
sister
got
involved
out
in
Nevada.
She
became
a.
She
was
a
a
judge
out
there
and
she
it
was
an
elected
position.
So
you
know
one
of
my
nephews
went
out
and
helped
her
on
that
campaign.
But,
oh
so
far,
nobody
well
brother
Jim
was
a
Senator.
You
know
that's
right
yeah
and
we
served
we
served
together
for
a
while
over
in
Montpelier,
which
was
a
you
know,
a
really
a
wonderful
opportunity
and.
A
B
I
think
it
was
in
Fleming,
Museum
and
then
TJ
would
say
things
like
Jack
and
one
of
his
sisters
would
interpret
TJ
would
like
his
jacket
now,
so
he
can
go
out
and
play
and
I
remember
so.
Tj
would
go
weekly.
Also
to
this
wonderful
woman
at
Speech,
Pathology
at
UVM
and
I.
Remember
she
taught
me
what
a
wonderful
lesson
once,
because
I
kept
to
say.
A
B
B
B
A
B
B
B
B
But
you
know,
I
I
think
we
grew
up
here
in
Burlington
with
a
large,
extended
family,
we
had
lots
of
first
cousins
that
were
very
close
to
and
I
remember
one
time
in
high
school
Henry's
Diner
was
a
great
hangout
for
high
school
kids,
yeah
poor
Frank
goldsteed.
He
tried
everything
to
get
us
out
of
there
and
he
never
was
successful.
But
I,
remember
more
than
one
night
I
was
in
sitting
in
a
booth
at
Henry's
and
having
some
french
fries
and
a
Coke
or
whatever,
and
all
of
a
sudden
I
realized.
A
B
Used
to
come
in
with
a
case
of
what
he
would
call
Belly
wash,
it
was
just
a
case
of
assorted
sodas.
You
know
and
no
matter
what
your
mother
was
saying.
He'd
say:
go
get
another
one
and
he
he
watched
over
us
so
much
and
he
cared
about
us
and
it
was.
He
had
been
a
chaplain
with
the
Vermont
guard
in
the
South
Pacific
and
the
letters
that
he
wrote
home
were
incredibly
telling,
and
sometimes
it
would
come
for
dinner
at
our
house.
B
We
play
cards
afterwards
and
the
game
was
I,
think
I
I.
Doubt
it
and
I've
been
meaning
to
look
up
the
rules
for
it,
because
I
can't
remember,
but
we
would
be
playing
around
a
hassock.
You
know
a
footstool
and
everything
and
I
think
he
would
tell
some
stories.
That
would
just
be
tragic
of
things
that
happened
in
the
South
Pacific.
A
B
Happened
to
his
Vermont
boys
and
the
really
difficult
time
that
the
Japanese
gave
he
was
in
a
foxhole
with
another
Uncle
who
was
the
doctor
with
the
Vermont
guard
and
two
Japanese
soldiers
ignited
themselves
and
threw
their
bodies
into
this
fox
home
and
my
uncle
sort
of
had
to
physically
pound
out
the
flames.
And
you
know
those
stories
have
stuck
with
me
forever.
B
B
And
so
he
would,
he
would
take
the
letters
and
to
have
somebody
transcribe
them
and
then
make
copies
and
send
them
to
all
the
families
wow,
and
so
my
sister
Ann
took
the
box
of
Father
John's
letters
a
few
years
back
and
put
them
together
in
chronological
order
and
gave
us
all
a
book,
and
it
was.
It
was
just
fabulous
and
wow.
Now
my
grandchildren
are
starting
to
look
at
those
letters
and.
A
B
A
B
Promised
he
promised
the
Lord
that,
should
he
bring
these
vermonters
back,
that
he
build
a
church
and
name
it
for
Saint
Jude?
Who
was
the
patron
saint
of
hopeless
cases
and
he
he
came
back
and
I
think
it
was
46.
He
got
the
parish
in
Hinesburg
and
built
the
church
and
today
is
still
St
Jude's.
Oh
that's.
A
B
B
A
A
B
I
I
attribute
that
to
the
fact
of
turning
50.
and
I
decided.
Whatever
opportunity
came,
my
way
I
was
just
going
to
say
yes,
and
so
it
was
this
District
that
was
really
Ward
6
and
Ward.
Five
and
the
two
incumbents
were
my
friends
at
Karen,
Lafayette
and
Mary
Sullivan,
and
they
both
were
leaving,
and
so
they
approached
me
and
asked
me
if
I
would
run
and
see
it
as
I'd
adopted
this.
This
attitude
of
yes
to
everything,
I
went
yeah
sure,
and
so
it
was
quite.
A
A
A
B
B
A
B
And
I
took
a
lot
of
notes
and
so
the
following
legislative
session
we
decided
to
take
gay
marriage
up
and
the
house
had
never
been
so
full.
It
was
packed
downstairs
upstairs
overflowing
wow
and
we
didn't
start
the
debate
till
probably
9,
30
or
so
and
wow
so
I
was
I
was
going
to
be
one
of
the
speakers
and
so
I
just
struggled
with
what
how
am
I
going
to
present
this
and
I
found
my
notes
and
what
I
did
was
I
just
read
what
people
said.
A
A
A
B
A
B
A
B
Me
or
somebody
or
whatever
we
how
we
ever
we
communicated
back
then,
and
he
had
listened
to
me-
speak
wow
in
West
Florida
wow,
oh
my
God,
but
that
was
probably
the
biggest
thing.
The
second
thing
that
I
did
was
when
I
chaired
education.
We
went,
we
cut
down
the
super
supervisory
unions
and
made
them
bigger
and
that's
controversial
yeah.
B
B
Different
public
places-
and
so
that
was
difficult
because
you
know
it
was
funny
because
when
I
would
talk
to
people
I'd
say
you
know,
Burlington,
we
have
school
districts
that
span
different
neighborhoods
yep
and
it's
not
a
big
deal
right
and
what?
What's
the
big
deal
of
going
to
school
with
somebody
down
the
road
in
Manchester
yeah.
A
B
A
B
I
I
have
gotten
a
couple
of
awards,
my
husband,
I
I,
think
you
know
had
a
heart
transplant
and
so
I
would.
After
we
came
home
from
that,
I
sponsored
an
Anatomical
Gift
legislation,
and
so
the
I
got
an
award
from
that
organization
from
New
York
State,
because
I
think
we
were
the
first
one
to
to
move
that
legislation
forward
and
make
it
easier
to
donate,
and
you
know
to
notify
your
family
and
whatever
that
you
wanted
to
be
a
donor
and
all
that
yeah.
B
A
B
A
B
B
A
B
So
we
on
November,
8th
of
2000
I,
think
we
flew
out
of
Burlington
airport
in
this
little
plane
and
when
the
the
hospital
from
Pittsburgh
had
said
it
set
it
up
here
to
get
Tom
and
the
crew
came
to
the
hospital
and
I
had
said
to
my
daughter,
Hannah.
Who
was
a
nurse?
Why
don't
you
go
down
with
Dad?
He
had
become
very
dependent
on
her
Knowledge
and
Skills,
and
so
one
of
the
crew
said.
B
A
B
But
you
know
when
you,
when
you're
faced
with
those
things
everything
was
doable.
You
know
my
daughter.
Hannah
was
offered
a
job
at
the
hospital,
so
she
was
going
to
move
down
there
and
another
daughter
who's
out
in
the
west
coast.
She
was
going
to
come
down
and
I
even
put
a
down
payment
on
an
apartment
for
them,
which
was
in
one
of
the
few
flat
parts
of
Pittsburgh
and.
A
B
Was
in
your
library-
and
there
was
a
coffee
shop
there,
so
I
thought
Tom
could
he
was
on
a
heart
pump
at
this
time
and
but
he
could
walk
to
these
places.
So
I
thought
this
would
be
ideal,
but
it
turned
out
that
they
never
moved
from
there,
because
that
Christmas
night
I
flew
home
because
to
be
with
the
kids
and
for
Christmas
and
I
had
celebrated
Christmas
Eve
with
Tom
in
the
hospital
and
I
was
getting
ready
to
put
some
gifts
out
under
the
tree.
B
That
I
had
had
you
know,
but
bought
and
stashed
away
and
Tom
called,
and
it
was
about
10
o'clock
in
the
morning,
and
he
said
they
found
a
heart
I'm
going
into
surgery
and
he
was
all
alone
wow
and
one
of
my
daughters,
her
dad
had
had.
She
knew
that
he
had
remarried
and
he
was
in
Pittsburgh
outside
of
Pittsburgh.
So
we
were
able
to
call
him.
B
A
A
A
B
Well,
you
know:
I
was
talking
to
somebody
last
night
there
was
a
period
of
my
time
where
I
wanted
to
learn
how
to
fly
and
now
I
realize
I.
Don't
think
I
want
to
do
that
anymore.
I,
love,
traveling,
I
would
I
would
still
love
to
go
to
some
places
that
I've
not
been
to
I'd
love
to
go
to
South
America.
B
A
A
B
B
No
we're
just
we're
coming
home
and
Mary.
My
father
broke
his
collarbone
on
a
bike
once
a
we
were
never
ever
supposed
to
go
near
a
bike
and
because
of
that
I
almost
killed
myself.
Whenever
I
was
riding
a
bike
and
I
see
his
car
come
up,
you
know,
go
through
Bush's
Eclipse
wow,
but
Mary
was
I
was
riding
in
the
back
of
Mary's
bike
and
this
this
young
man
who,
in
hindsight
I
recognized
what
a
troubled
young
fellow
he
was.
You
know,
but
he
started
to
try
yeah.