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B
C
So,
for
those
of
you
in
the
audience
welcome,
there
are
doors
on
either
side
of
the
auditorium
at
the
back.
If
you
there's
an
emergency,
you
need
to
leave
and
then
to
the
right
or
left
doors
outside
for
those
participating
remotely.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
remotely
if
you're
interested
in
making
comment
during
any
point
in
the
agenda,
either
turn
on
your
camera
and
we'll
call
on
you
or
indicate
you're
interested
in
making
a
comment
in
the
chat
and
I
will
make
sure
the
chair
calls
on
you.
We
are
not
monitoring
the
chat
for
Content.
C
I
have
two
requests:
one
we
neglected
to
put
the
planning
commissions,
recommendations
for
arpa
funds
on
the
agenda,
so
I'd
recommend
you
add
that
I
emailed
it
to
you
earlier
in
the
week.
I'd
recommend
you
add
that
as
a
new
nine
J,
I
guess
h,
I
j
is
that
correct
and
then
also
I
would
respectfully
request.
This
is
Andrew
baldock's
last
council
meeting
with
us
and
I
have
a
resolution
for
you
all
to
consider.
A
A
E
A
A
G
G
What
I
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
actually
because
it
gets
it
out
of
the
way
and
it's
not
you
know,
snowy
and
anymore.
You
know
that
time
of
the
year
so,
and
is
the
city
manager
going
to
talk
about
the
deadline
that
happens
tonight
at
midnight
with
the
parking
in
band
I'll?
Let
you
go
ahead
that
okay
good,
so
that's
all
I
have.
H
It
was
good,
it
was
a
great
experience
happy
to
report
on
that
some
other
time,
though,
not
as
relevant
to
some
of
our
discussions.
One
thing
I
do
want,
to
always
say,
is
promote
the
ugly
sweater
run
on
Sunday
December
11th
I'm,
going
to
be
bringing
the
ugly
and
I
hope
to
see
you
all
there
as
well,
should
be
a
good
time.
Sunday
morning,
December
11th
hope
to
see
a
lot
of
people
registered.
G
C
G
C
And
basketball
hoop
should
be
removed,
see
you
should
have.
You
should
have
just
done
that
basketball
hoops
should
be
removed.
This
is
to
enable
of
course,
plowing
operation.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
then
I'll
save
most
of
my
updates
for
Monday
night.
Just
a
reminder.
We
do
have
a
regular
council
meeting
on
Monday
night.
We
will
be
presenting
the
overview
of
the
fy24
budget
as
well
as
several
other
budget
presentations
and
public
hearings.
C
We
encourage
folks
in
the
public
to
attend
that
as
well
and
then
just
because
it's
really
exciting
and
we
can
start
to
see
elements
of
it
appearing
in
our
hallways.
Illuminate
Vermont
is
December
16th
and
17th
from
four
to
eight
here
on
Market
Street
and
in
City
Hall,
and
we
invite
all
of
our
neighbors
to
come
out
and
join
us
for
that
free
event
and
I'll
have
more
to
share
on
Monday
night
thanks
I.
A
Actually
forgot
I
should
report
I
sat
in
on
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
last
night
and
they
had
what
I
thought
were
some
really
good
conversations
about
aspects
of
the
neighborhood
neighborhoods
retaining
neighborhoods
as
they
consider
the
comprehensive
plan
and
what
that
really
means.
So
they
kind
of
started
that
conversation
and
then
what
else
do
they
talk
about?
A
There's
some
other
good
stuff.
That's
right.
They
had
some
good
conversations
about
different
aspects
of
the
ldrs
for
solar
and
talked
and
put
that
kind
of
into
their
work
plan,
but
they
explored
that
I.
Think.
As
a
group
and
I
thought,
the
conversations
were
really
very,
very
helpful
and
substantive.
A
A
A
How
we
provide
Equitable
Services
to
all
and
how
we
maintain
exceptional
customer
service
while
being
financially
responsible
and
whereas
Deputy
manager,
Andrew
Faithfully,
cared
for
the
city's
finances.
Secured
participation
in
the
state's
inclusive
inclusion,
diversity,
Equity
action
and
Leadership
program
often
referred
to
as
ideal
and
managed
arpa
funds.
And
whereas
Andrew
was
a
valued
colleague,
thought
partner
and
Problem
Solver
valued
by
city
employees,
committee,
volunteers
and
our
Council.
A
And
whereas
Andrew
grew
up
in
the
city
of
South,
Burlington
graduated
from
South
Burlington
High
School
and
has
always
been
committed
to
the
well-being
of
his
neighbors.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
South
Burlington
City
Council,
hereby
expresses
is
great
appreciation
for
all
the
work
and
Leadership
of
Andrew
Baldock
over
the
last
six
years
and
wishes
him
the
best
of
luck
in
his
future
Adventures.
A
A
A
K
Mean
I'm
sure
we
all
have
our
stories
I
got
to
know
Andrew
specifically
when
he
was
acting
as
city
council,
City
attorney
and
I
was
the
counselor
assigned
to
attend
the
ACT
250
hearing
for
the
residents
down
in
Queen,
City,
Park
and
Andrew
and
I
were
texting
back
and
forth.
I
mean
it
was.
It
was
a
really
I.
I
would
say
just
very
privileged
view
that
I
got
of
you,
because
we
there
is
some
distance
between
this
desk
and
your
desk
and
and
I
just
saw
your
thought
process.
K
I
saw
how
you
know
you
were
really
comprehensive
and
also
a
good
listener
and
and
really
took
Your
Role
very,
very
seriously
and
I
can't
speak
for
my
husband,
but
as
the
chair
of
the
natural
resources
and
conservation
committee,
when
he
learned
that
you
were
leaving
he
oh
it
was.
It
was
for
for
me
as
well.
It
was
a
physical
reaction,
so
yeah
you
will
be
missed.
K
H
A
I
would
heartily
agree
with
the
last
statement
and
everything
else
we
really
are
going
to
miss.
You
and
I
know
Jesse's
going
to
really
miss
you
too,
so
we'll
be
supporting
her
as
she
transitions
through
finding
another
person
and
taking
on
some
additional
roles,
but
thank
you
for
all
that
you've
done.
Thank
you,
Tom.
A
J
A
All
right
so
I'll
sign
it
and
then
send
it
around
okay.
So
now
we
can
consider
up
placing
a
proposed
change
to
the
city's
Charter
on
the
town
meeting
2023
ballot,
enabling
the
regulation
of
thermal
energy
systems
and
existing
residential
and
commercial
buildings
and
setting
two
public
hearings
for
January
3rd
2023
at
8,
30
p.m
and
January
17
2023
at
8,
30
pm
and
we'll
hear
from
Paul
Connor
and
Colin
McNeil.
L
This
is
the
same
language
that
you
saw
last
week
when
it
was
introduced
by
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
of
the
former
climate
action
plan
task
force
with
I.
Think
the
only
change
is
the
citation
of
where
in
the
charter
it
would
be
placed
if
you
were
to
so
choose
it
so
really
tonight
the
conversation
is
yours
to
have.
L
If
you
choose
to
Warn
and
hold
these
two
public
hearings
in
January,
you
would
then
have
the
opportunity,
following
those
hearings
to
either
keep
it
on
the
ballot
or
remove
it
from
the
ballot.
So
we've
set
up
the
timing
so
that
you
can
do
that.
If
you
choose
not
to
advance
it
this
evening,
then
you
would
not
have
the
opportunity
to
have
it
on
the
ballot
for
town
meeting
day.
That's
the
brief
version.
A
K
K
M
Are
some
you
would
have
to
the
way
the
schedule
is
set
up?
You
have
to
have
a
version
that
is
certified
that
you
want
this
on
the
ballot
that
gets
sent
to
the
clerk's
office
and
that's
available
for
public
viewing
within
10
days
of
the
first
public
hearing.
So
you
would
have
to
at
this
meeting
essentially
approve
that
this
language.
O
E
M
L
So
the
difference
would
be
that
it
would
take
an
action
to
remove
it
a
month
from
now
versus.
Normally,
when
you
have
a
hearing,
your
action
would
then
be
to
approve
it,
so
your
action
would
be
tonight
to
place
it
if
you
chose
and
then
it
would
be,
if
you'd
have
to
have
three
votes
to
remove
it
in
a
month.
That's
that's,
fundamentally
the
difference
right,
correct.
A
H
This
Charter
change
now
for
reasons
that
were
articulated
in
an
email
but
I
think
it's
important
for
the
community,
since
they
can't
read
my
inboxes
to
have
an
idea
of
where
my
concerns
are
so
I'll
go
through
this.
So
my
first
concern
is
technical,
legal
and
administrative
ability
to
income,
sensitize
fuel
taxes,
carbon
taxes
or
so
on.
Unlike
Burlington
that
owns
an
electric
utility
and
a
power
plant,
we
don't
as
a
city,
currently
income
sensitize
our
broad-based
taxes,
even
our
property
taxes
are
entirely
done
by
the
state.
H
We
with
our
current
capacity
and
expertise,
could
not
do
a
carbon
tax
and
a
fair
way
for
our
residents
and
businesses
and
I
don't
see
that
changing
on
a
faster
timeline,
then
what
the
state's
probably
going
to
do
in
this
coming
session.
Nor
do
I
think
that
we,
the
city
of
South
Burlington,
could
do
this
better
than
the
state
and
our
utilities
that
are
and
and
utilities
that
are
not
municipally
confined
I,
think
they
could
do
it
better.
H
Those
like
Vermont,
Gas,
Green,
Mountain,
Power
and
otherwise,
as
well
as
the
state
I,
also
have
issue
with
the
Burlington
electric
comparability.
So
the
charter
change
was
done
by
Burlington,
but
we
are
not
Burlington,
as
many
of
our
residents
remind
me
regularly,
we
don't
have
a
municipally
owned
electric
utility
and
we
don't
have
a
power
plant.
We
are
not
Burlington
and
this
Charter
chain
just
doesn't
fit
from
what
I've
seen
so
far
our
city
in
the
way
it
fit
theirs.
Heating,
Source
regulations
already
exist.
H
So
from
conversations,
and
thank
you
Colin
for
responding
yesterday
with
the
city
manager
and
emails,
it's
my
understanding
that
the
language
is
not
needed.
This
Charter
change
is
not
needed
to
further
regulate
installation
of,
or
replacement
of,
heating
systems
within
South
Burlington.
That
was
my
takeaway
from
your
email
thread.
If
you
want
to
elaborate
on
that,
when
I
make
my
last
two
points
feel
free
calling
Municipal
consistency,
I'm
really
concerned
that
if
Burlington
does
this
one
way
and
South
Burlington,
does
it
another
way
and
then
Essex
Junction
does
its
differently
and
Winooski?
H
Does
it
a
third
and
fourth
way
we
will
all
be
working
across
Purpose
with
inherent
inefficiencies
and
redundancy,
a
carbon
tax
will
be
much
more
effective
and
fair
when
done
by
the
state,
which
is
extremely
likely.
This
coming
legislative
session,
I
have
optimism
for
that.
Charter
change
committee
process
matters.
This
proposed
Charter
change
has
not
gone
through
our
Charter
change
committee
to
hold
public
hearings
to
consider
the
points
I've
just
raised
above
or
to
make
a
recommendation
further.
H
Long-Standing
members
of
the
charter
committee,
who
I
highly
respect,
have
explicitly
asked
for
time
to
do
just
this.
So
I
don't
see
a
reason
to
accelerate
this
process
when
I,
don't
see
South
Burlington
being
able
to
do
this
better
than
the
state,
which
is
very
likely
to
do
it.
This
coming
session,
so
I
at
this
time
tonight
do
not
support
putting
this
on
the
charter
and
I
wouldn't
support
right
now
from
what
I
understand
about
it.
H
K
I
think
that
many
of
the
things
that
you
raised
were
discussed
at
our
last
meeting
and
one
of
those
was
if
the
state
you
know
the
legislature
sees
that
towns
are
wanting
to
to
move
in
this
direction,
that
the
state
might
be
impelled
to
act
more
quickly.
In
fact,
it
might,
in
fact
you
know,
make
sure
that
the
legislature
comes
up
with
some
kind
of
legislation
in
the
next
session,
in
which
case
there
would
be
no
need
to
go
back
to
the
public
to
actually
have
the
public.
K
Give
the
council
and
whoever's
on
the
council
at
that
time.
The
power
to
impose
a
carbon
tax,
so
that
question
would
be
something
that
would
not
be
an
automatic
with
the
charter.
Change
and
I.
I
also
think
that
your
comparison
to
Burlington
with
the
power
plant
doesn't
come
into
play
in
my
mind,
so
I
I
don't
quite
understand
how
that
difference.
K
You
know
in
in
their
energy
sources
means
that
there
is
an
implication
on
whether
or
not
we
can
regulate
heating
systems
and
and
I'm,
not
aware
that
they
are.
You
know
that
they
have
more
access
to
to
Residents
financial
statements
than
our
city
does,
because
they
have
a
power
plant,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
and
with
regard
finally
shoot
I
should
have
written
this
down
to
the
Charter
Review
Committee.
K
K
Ideally,
we
would
have
known
about
this,
so
we
could
have
had
the
public
hearings
and
then
determine
whether
or
not
to
put
it
on
the
ballot.
But
if
we
need
to
backpedal
in
January,
I
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
that.
I
think
that,
given
the
goals
that
we
have
set
for
this
community
and
that
I
think
our
community
expects
of
us
I,
don't
see
any
reason
not
to
put
this
before.
You
know
the
public
into
public
hearings
going
forward.
H
Just
two
things:
regardless
of
source:
the
charter
change
committee
is
asked
to
look
at
this
and
there
are
some
open
questions
so
I
think
and
regardless
of
source.
It
seems
to
make
sense
to
let
them
follow
and
two
regarding
Burlington
the
counter
on
that
Burlington
has
a
lot
more
lawyers
and
existing
expertise
within
their
electric
utility,
as
well
as
the
power
plant,
and
so
they
went
through
a
lot
more
rig
a
lot
more
rigorous
process.
Looking
at
this
Charter
changes
being
useful
for
their
existing
infrastructure.
I,
don't
see
us
as
having
that
infrastructure.
H
I
exchange
emails
with
the
city
manager
this
weekend
and
I
just
don't
think
we're
the
same
entity
with
the
same
existing
infrastructure
and
capacity
to
put
to
do
this
right
so
just
because
we
could
do
it.
I
just
don't
think
right.
Now
is
the
right
time
for
South
Burlington
to
do
it.
So
if
we
do
take
a
vote
on
it
tonight,
I
will
not
be
voting.
Yes,.
G
G
I
I,
don't
support
passing
this
tonight
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why?
Because
I
think
we
are
in
the
process
of
taking
concrete
steps
within
South
Burlington
to
try
and
have
an
effect
on
our
burning
of
fossil
fuels
case
in
point,
the
ordinance
that
we
just
passed
all
right,
I
support
thermal
regulation.
That's
the
base
of
this
Charter
change
without
the
carbon
tax
part,
but
we
don't
need
to
put
that
on
as
a
charter
change,
because
we
already
passed
an
ordinance
where
we
can
regulate
that
stuff.
G
G
The
hold
on
the
assessment
of
carbon
impact
or
alternative
compliance
payments,
so
things
I
worry
about
when
I
read
that
or
is.
First
of
all,
it
sounds
like
a
carbon
tax.
Second
of
all,
I
worried
about
Equity.
Third
of
all,
I
don't
want
our
city
to
have
to
be
responsible
for
that
at
the
local
level.
G
I
would
love
for
the
state
or
the
Public
Utility
Commission
to
administer
that
because
they
regulate
the
utilities
in
the
first
place
and
I
don't
see
how
we
could
ever
try
to
impose
a
tax
on
gas
usage
from
from
our
municipality
and
I.
I.
Just
don't
see
the
end
game
in
that,
because
there
are
going
to
be
other
plans
coming
along
that
to
try
and
ameliorate
that
kind
of
of
gas
usage
I
it
just.
G
G
We
even
think
about
a
carbon
tax
now
in
a
year
from
now,
if
we're
back
in
the
same
position
and
nothing's
happened
at
the
state
level,
and
you
want
to
have
the
discussion
again
and
we
can-
and
we
probably
will
know
more
by
then
I
mean
I
had
a
long
talk
today
with
people
at
Green.
Mountain,
Power
and
I
have
a
really
good
feeling
about
about
at
least
South
brilliant,
if
not
their
distribution
region
and
their
their
quantity
of
power
and
their
ability
to
serve
the
customers.
G
That's
sort
of
a
different
discussion,
but
I,
just
I
I
think
we
need
to
take
other
steps
and
not
even
talk
about
a
carbon
tax
until
that's
another
discussion
for
a
future
date.
So
I
I
won't
be
voting
yesterday,
because
I
can't
see
the
point
of
having
a
public
hearing
and
then
voting
to
remove
it.
If
that
seems
like
a
waste
of
people's
time.
A
I
mean
I
appreciate
not
wanting
to
waste
people's
time,
but
I
I,
guess
I've,
never
thought
soliciting
public
input
and
thinking
about
Concepts
or
policies
that
the
council
is
interested
in
or
might
be
interested
in
is
a
waste
of
time.
You
know
I
think
as
you've
said
many
times
Tim.
This
is
going
to
require
a
lot
of
public
Outreach
and
education
and
conversation,
and
it
seems
to
me
this
could
be
a
start
of
that.
A
K
A
B
A
That
anything
happens.
I
would
note
that
it
seems
as
if
some
of
the
stars
are
lined
up
a
lot
of
them,
but
I've
been
in
other
situations
where
it
sure
seemed
like
the
stars
were
lined
up
and
then
something
happened
and
legislation
did
not
get
passed
so
I,
don't
think
I'm
ever
going
to
accept
it
as
oh
they're
going
to
do
it.
So
you
you
wait.
G
Let
me
let
me
just
reiterate
that
that
we
we
don't
have
to
I
mean
we
can
regulate
thermal
energy
systems.
Now
it's
just
the
assessment
carbon
impact
statement
that
I
disagree
with
at
this
time,
because
we
don't
have
a
definitive
plan
for
it.
When
we
get
further
down
the
road,
and
somebody
shows
me
a
plan
for
what
how
they
think
it
might
work
I'd
be
willing
to
look
at
it
then,
but
right
now
it's
it's
a
cloud
of
words
that
gives
this
ability
to
the
city
to
go
off
on
a
carbon
tax,
tangent
and
I.
G
Don't
want
to
go
down
that
road
unless
we
have
a
definitive
plan
and
I,
don't
even
want
the
the
city
to
vote
on
accepting
this
as
a
charter
change
until
we
can
tell
them.
This
is
how
we
would
do
it,
and-
and
here
are
the
exact
details
we
might
not
have
all
the
details,
but
we
would
have
a
pretty
good
plan.
I.
Think
that's
I,
don't
think.
That's
the
right
thing
to
do,
for
the
voters
is
to
open
up
a
black
box
and
say
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
this
stuff.
G
G
Oh,
absolutely
not
because
you
we
already
have
taken
an
action
and
we
are
going
to
take
more
actions
to
regulate
these
thermal
systems
in
older
homes
existing
homes
as
we
move
forward,
we're
just
not
going
to
have
this
carbon
tax
part
not
until
you
get
three
people
to
vote
for
to
get
it
on
as
a
charter
change
on
the
ballot.
That's
all
that's
the
only
difference
we're
talking
about
the.
G
A
G
Q
K
K
G
Is
you
don't
think
the
having
the
we
have
the
tools
right
now
to
to
make
these
these
thermal
energy
regulations
anytime?
We
want
and
we
will
have
a
a
public
process
for
that.
It
will
not
require
a
charter
change
right
at
all
right
and
that
is
taking
some
real,
concrete
steps
to
replace
systems
and
existing
homes
so
that
they
stop
burning
Vermont
Gas
period.
That's
one
of
the
biggest
goals
we
have
to
go
after
now.
G
R
S
R
R
Jerry
Silverstein
South
Burlington.
So
it's
not
clear
to
me
that
the
public
has
it's
the
wealth
of
knowledge,
which
is
necessary
to
make
an
informed
decision
about
what
you're
doing
and
I'll
start
with
my
first
example
and
I
had
two
parts
to
this.
If
you
look
at
gmp's
website,
it
will
tell
you
that
their
resource
mix,
where
they
get
their
electricity
from
and
I'll,
tell
you
what
and
you'll
get
it
from
Helen.
So
after
rex
have
been
exchanged,
buying
and
selling
68
of
their
electricity
is
purchased
from
Hydro.
R
Quebec
21
is
from
nuclear
seven
percent
from
existing
Hydro
in
Vermont
and
3.4
percent
in
Renewables,
and
they
title
that
as
GMP
Supply
keyword
is
Supply
is
100,
carbon,
free
and
78
renewable,
and
that
leads
the
person
to
believe
that,
for
instance,
we're
hooked
up
to
the
G
to
to
you
pay
for
GMP
right
GMP
is
your
electric
supplier,
and
you
read
that
and
you
conclude
that
the
lights
in
this
building
the
computers
that
you're
using
the
electricity
which
is
running
all
these
devices,
represent
68
hot
large
harjo
21
nuclear
Etc.
That's
not
true.
R
We
are
part
of
a
giant
electric
grid
in
New
England.
It's
called
ISO
New
England
for
independent
service
operator,
and
that
is
part
of
a
much
larger
grid
called
the
Eastern
in
connection
the
Eastern
interconnection,
which
runs
from
the
center
of
Canada
over
to
the
Atlantic
Ocean
South
to
Florida
and
West
to
the
foot
of
the
Rocky
Mountain
Rocky
Mountains.
All
of
the
independent
grids
within
that
much
larger
grid
are
all
operating
with
the
same
electrical
capacity
that
is
alternating
current
at
60
hertz.
R
All
the
electricity
which
is
coming
into
this
building
is
from
the
larger
grid
from
the
isone
grid.
So
what
GMP
has
on
its
website,
which
wants
you
to
believe
that
a
hundred
percent
of
the
electricity
that
you're
getting
from
them
is
carbon,
free
and
78
renewal
is
not
true.
Now
I
list,
ISO
New
England's
resource
mix
and
the
largest
component
of
iso
New
England's
resource
mix
is
natural
gas
about
40
to
45
percent,
and
it
can
vary
during
the
year.
And
what
that
means
is
this?
R
If
you
were
to
require
tomorrow
that
everybody
in
South
Burlington
trash
all
their
fossil
fuel
devices,
boilers,
hot
water,
heaters,
gas,
fire
dryers
and
totally
Electrify
their
houses,
forty
percent
to
45
percent
of
the
electricity,
which
would
then
come
into
their
house,
was
generated
through
that
through
natural
gas-fired
power
plants.
That's
the
reality
of
New
England's
grid
GMP
does
not
have
its
own
little
island.
R
It
purchases,
energy
from
different
suppliers
such
as
Hydro
Quebec,
such
as
Seabrook
nuclear
power
plant,
but
we
get
our
power
from
the
New
England
grid
and
the
New
England
grid
is
primarily
driven
between
40
and
45
percent
natural
gas.
So
if
you've
electrified
every
house,
then
40
to
45
percent
of
the
electricity
in
those
houses
would
have
been
generated
through
natural
gas.
I.
Don't
think
people
understand
this
and
I
debated
this
with
GMP
the
other
day
and
they
didn't
say:
I
was
wrong
with
Kristen
Carlson
told
me
was
the
way
they
provide.
R
Their
information
on
their
website
is,
is
Vermont
state
policy,
in
other
words,
Vermont
is
always
looking
at
renewable
and
carbon
free.
They
totally
ignore
ISO
New
England,
the
entire
Grid
in
New
England,
and
that's
where
you're
getting
your
energy
ISO
New
England
basically
looks
at
all
the
industries
which
are
contributing
electrons
to
the
grid.
Let
me
stop
and
just
say:
the
electron
grid
is
a
giant
soup
of
electrons.
It's
massive
and
it
must
always
be
full.
Supply
must
always
match
with
demand.
So
you
have
Seabrook
nuclear
power
plant.
R
You
have
hydro
Quebec,
you
have
natural
gas-fired
plants,
you
have
other
small
hydroelectric
components.
They
are
all
dumping
electrons
into
the
grid
and
we
draw
from
that
giant
soup
of
electrons
so
to
totally
Electrify
South
Burlington.
Today
you
would
be
using
40
to
45
percent
of
electrons
generated
by
natural
gas.
That's
not
up
for
dispute.
I've.
Had
this
conversation
with
the
people
at
ISO,
New,
England
and
I've
also
had
this
Congress
station
with
people
who
are
responsible
from
the
federal
government
to
maintain
reliability
of
grids
in
the
United
States.
This
is
the
truth.
R
That's
really
I.
Don't
think
the
public
understands
this,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
go
to
the
public
and
ask
them
to
vote
on
an
issue,
they'd
be
voting
from
a
relative
lack
of
information
and
if
you
believe
in
critical
thinking
critical
decision
making
the
first
component
of
critical
decision
making
is
to
acquire
all
relevant
information
which
is
necessary
to
make
an
informed
and
intelligent
decision.
R
If
you
don't
know
where
your
electricity
is
coming
from,
and
if
you
don't
know
what
the
cost
is
going
to
be
to
move
from
your
gas-fired
boilers
to
heat
pumps
and
the
cost
of
ripping
out
the
plumbing.
Putting
in
a
new
electoral
I'll.
Give
you
one
example
with
the
new
electricity
I
have
three
devices
in
my
house,
which
is
natural
gas
I
have
my
boiler
a
hot
water,
heater
and
I
have
a
gas
dryer.
If
I
were
to
go
totally,
electric
I'd
have
to
pull
those
out.
R
How
long
will
that
last?
That's
the
questions
everybody's
asking!
Well,
nobody
has
a
crystal
ball.
Everybody
who
I
speak
to
who
has
knowledge
of
grids
has
told
me.
Fossil
fuels
are
not
going
away
anytime
soon.
Why?
Because,
if
you
look
at
all
the
systems
which
contribute
electricity
to
the
grid,
the
one
which
has
the
greatest
reliability,
the
one
which
has
the
greatest
ability
to
quickly
ramp
up
when
demand
increases
is
natural,
gas,
fire
power
plants
and
so
at
ISO,
New
England.
The
people
I
speak
to
say
you.
R
We
want
to
make
the
transition,
we
want
to
go
to
renewable,
but
don't
destroy
natural
gas-fired
power
plants
because
they
are
your
last
line
of
defense
when
demand
radically
increases
natural
gas
plants
are
the
ones
which
can
quickly
ramp
up
power
output
and
deliver
those
electrons
into
the
grid.
So
you
have
to
be
careful.
R
I
mean
GMP
is
a
great
company,
but
they
want
to
see
this
entire
State
electrified,
and
so
they
are
willing
to
put
information
on
their
web
page,
which
to
me,
is
very
deceptive
that
those
lights
are
not
being
driven
by
the
combination
that
GMP
has
on
their
web
page,
which
says
this
is
our
supply.
That
light
is
being
driven
by
the
power
that
is
Amalgamated
by
ISO
New
England,
which
draws
on
multiple
different
systems
in
order
to
constitute
the
grid.
R
The
grid
must
always
be
full
of
electrons
if
it's
not
full
of
electrons
it'll
collapse,
and
so
you
need
every
one
of
these
energy
producing
systems
to
make
sure
that
that
grid
remains
fully
electrified,
fully
available
for
demand
payment
which,
which
means,
when
I
turn
a
switch.
The
electricity
comes
on
at
this
at
the
time,
I
turn
the
switch
and
the
light
bulb
comes
on
some
other
energy
producing
system
in
in
the
system
is
going
to
fill
the
void
created
by
the
electrons
on
Drew
out
of
it.
So
you
need
multiple
systems.
R
It's
like
the
State
education
fund.
Everybody
know
how
the
State
education
fund
Works.
Everybody
thinks
that
in
the
state
of
Vermont,
public
education
is
paid
for
by
just
by
taxpayers.
That's
not
true.
The
State
education
fund
has
multiple
revenue
streams
to
be
fully
capitated,
because
individual
education
taxes
will
not
pay
for
all
of
Education
in
the
state
of
Vermont.
You
need.
R
Okay,
the
point-
the
point
is
very
simple:
I,
don't
believe
the
public
has
the
knowledge
to
make
a
decision
which,
in
which
all
relevant
information
is
available
to
them,
plus
the
fact
that
the
public
doesn't
always
turn
out
for
meetings
at
the
last
budget.
Hearing
19
percent
of
registered
voters
turned
out.
R
So
unless
you
do
an
education
campaign,
I
I,
don't
think
you're
going
to
accomplish
anything
which
is
particularly
useful
and
I
would
urge
you
to
understand
how
electric
grids
operate
and
what
is
required
to
maintain
them
with
the
reliability,
which
is
necessary
for
you
to
have
electricity
on
your
back
and
demand
at
any
time.
You
will
not
get
the
same
impression
if
you
look
at
gmp's
website
as
good
a
company
as
they
is
as
they
are
they
when,
when
they
responded
to
my
criticism,
they
said
we
simply
follow
Vermont
state
policy.
R
T
Thank
you,
Ethan
Goldman,
resident,
Philly
nav,
so
I
just
want
to
respond
briefly
to
a
couple
points
there.
So
people
understand
the
recommendations
behind
the
charter.
Change
actually
came
from
the
climate
action
task
force,
not
an
uneducated
public
body,
right
people
who
would
put
a
lot
of
time
into
think
about
these
things
so
that
the
issues
of
the
grid
mix,
while
none
of
those
facts
are
in
dispute,
are
not
actually
relevant
toward
understanding.
T
Whether
or
not
these
decisions
would
help
us
toward
our
climate
goals
and
the
generally
accepted
policy
is
to
follow
the
dollars,
not
the
electrons
right.
So
it's
not
about
the
moral
purity
of
the
electrons
that
flow
through
your
house,
it's
about
where
the
dollars
we're
spending
being
put
to
use
to
build
infrastructure
and
consume
fuels,
and
so
from
moment
to
moment.
While
it's
true
that,
if
you
turn
on
your
light,
it
may
go
to
this
power
plant
or
that
power
plant
if
GMP
is
responsible
for
purchasing
our
supply
and
they're
purchasing
from
carbon
free
sources.
T
It's
a
move
in
the
right
direction
to
go
toward
electricity
and
I
also
want
to
make
the
point
that
the
the
goals
that
we
have
for
reducing
CO2
in
the
climate
action
plan
already
factor
in
that
all
new
construction
would
be
natural
gas,
free
and
so
the
goals
for
converting
homes
to
run
on
electricity
versus
natural
gas
for
heat
are
over
and
above
the
new
construction.
So
we
still
need
to
do
five
times
more
conversion
to
electricity
per
year
than
we're
doing
right
now.
T
So
if
we
don't
have
this
mechanism
to
enforce
that,
we're
going
to
need
to
come
up
with
some
other
way
to
move
the
needle
that
far
and
and
if
we
don't
have
some
type
of
enforcement
mechanism,
some
kind
of
fee-
some
other
type
of
lever,
then
we're
just
asking
people
nicely.
You
know
why
don't
you
do
the
right
thing
for
the
for
the
good
of
everyone
and
there
certainly
are
Equity
issues
we're
going
to
have
the
equity
issues
regardless
of
what
path
we
go
down
or
who's
managing
it.
T
We're
going
to
have
to
sort
that
stuff
out
so
I'm,
not
saying
it's
easy,
I'm,
not
saying
we
can
ignore
it,
but
we
need
to
figure
those
things
out,
but
we
also
need
some
kind
of
mechanism
to
then
Implement
them,
and
if
we
act
today,
it
will
be
2025
before
we're
actually
able
to
put
some
kind
of
policy
in
place.
That
is
moving
with
all
haste
right,
losing
no
time
and
making
a
decision
tonight.
T
T
Postponing
further
is
just
pushing
us
further
down
that
line,
and
we
have
calls
for
2030
that
this
Council
has
committed
to
so
I,
really
ask
you
not
to
abdicate
the
responsibility
that
you've
taken
on
by
making
the
commitment
and
take
some
action
on
this.
If
there's
a
better
way,
that's
great,
but
I
think
it
would
be
really
fantastic
to
have
this,
at
least
in
motion,
so
we
had
more
Tools
in
our
toolbox.
Thank
you.
A
T
A
V
You
I'll
be
quick,
Andrew
climate
action
task
force,
I
would
love
if
we
have
a
clean
heat
standard,
this
legislative
session
session,
but
we
may
not
and
I
view
this
as
a
critical
guard
rail
to
begin
the
process
to
have
some
kind
of
authority
to
work
through
what
this
policy
will
look
like,
because
we
don't
have
the
time.
We
have
no
other
lovers
to
attack
this
really
really
major
source
of
card
missions,
and
it's
the
one
thing
that
we
can
attack
as
a
town.
V
We're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
too
much
municipality
about
transportation.
We
think
we're
on
the
edges.
As
Ethan
said,
the
planner
already
took
a
new
account
into
instruction.
This
is
it.
This
is
the
big
one,
our
existing
buildings,
and
if
and
it's
it's
a
really,
this
is
a
Fail-Safe.
This
is
a
guard
rail
in
case
the
legislative
process
fails
and
to
postpone
even
putting
in
place.
U
Yeah
thanks
Helen
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
something
about
the
the
charter
committee,
Colin,
McNeil
and
Jesse.
Baker
are
the
staff
for
that
committee
and
Colin
spoke
to
us
about
having
this
issue
come
to
the
Charter
committee,
and
he
told
us
that
it
was
unnecessary
for
that
because
it
had
come
from
the
climate
action
task
force.
U
A
W
B
X
W
You
will
be
negating
what
you've
already
approved,
undoing,
what
you're,
what
you've
approved
and
to
make
it
impossible
for
us
to
reach
those
Targets.
This
Charter
change
is
simply
a
way
to
enable
us
to
go
in
that
direction
and,
as
Ethan
has
said,
it
won't
be
until
2025
when
we
can
do
anything
and
I
think
you
should
give
the
voters
a
chance
to
weigh
in
on
this.
They
need
to
be.
They
need
to
tell
you
what
they
want
to
do
or
tell
you
that
they
don't
want
to
do
it.
W
Y
G
M
M
That's
in
the
language
that's
before
you
tonight,
I
think
we
would
want
to
do
a
little
bit
more
research
to
conclusively
say
one
way
or
another
whether
you
had
that
Authority,
but
we
did
believe
you
have
the
authority
to
pass
the
ordinance
you
did
to
regulate
heating
systems
in
new
buildings.
Okay,
thank
you.
Yeah.
T
K
K
Z
O
A
C
C
Ted
is
about
a
year
and
a
half
into
his
position
and
has
been
interested
in
going
around
and
meeting
with
City
councils,
one
of
the
Innovations
he
implemented
was
bringing
on
Katie
and
specifically
standing
up
staff
to
support
municipalities
in
receiving
arpa
funds
and
other
federal
funds.
So
I
thought
that
this
would
be
a
great
opportunity
to
invite
them
in
to
talk
to
the
council.
C
A
C
P
C
P
Not
before
the
council,
but
I've
certainly
been
to
plenty
of
meetings
with
you,
individually,
one-on-one
or
a
couple
at
a
time.
So
it's
nice
to
see
you
again
as
Jesse
said,
I'm
doing
a
tour
of
Select
boards
and
City
councils
and
trustees
to
find
out
what's
happening
out
there
and
make
sure
that
we're
representing
you
well
as
your
Association,
so
the
Vermont
League
of
cities
and
towns
is
I.
Think
you
know
seeing
we've
been
on
your
agenda
a
couple
times.
P
The
last
couple
of
weeks
is
holy
kind
of
owned
and
operated
by
you
by
municipalities,
all
247
cities
and
towns
in
Vermont.
Are
our
members
we've
been
around
for
more
than
55
years
and
we
do
really
five
things.
I'm
shared
a
member
guide
with
you
there
it's
also
available
on
our
internet
at
on
our
website
at
vlct.org,
for
anybody
listening
at
home,
and
it
just
quickly
wanted
to
share
what
we
do.
There's
these
five
core
pieces
of
vlct,
all
right,
one.
We
support
you.
P
You
know
you
have
a
unique
job
as
a
member
of
a
municipal
legislative
body.
There's
there
are
things
that
you
do,
that
very
few.
Others
really
get
to
right.
You
have
a
position
of
power
that
you
share
with.
You
know,
select
board
members
and
trustees
and
City
councils
around
the
state,
and
we
try
to
support
you
by
bringing
those
resources
and
those
people
together
to
support
you
as
you
make
decisions,
as
you
decide
how
to
govern
here
in
South
Burlington.
P
We
provide
you
knowledge.
So
many
of
you
probably
know
this,
but
we
have
four
Municipal
attorneys
on
staff
and
a
research
associate
that
you
are
able
to
contact
any
day
by
dropping
us,
an
email
or
giving
us
a
call
and
having
a
conversation
about
how
you
govern
here
in
South
Burlington.
Those
four
attorneys
also
provide
model
policies
handbooks.
You
know,
there's
a
select
board
handbook,
there's
the
book
of
woof,
which
is
believe
it
or
not
our
most
popular
publication,
about
how
a
municipality
can
and
can't
regulate
dogs
in
ownership.
P
P
It's
hired
a
government
Finance
specialist
who
I
believe
Jesse
has
taken
advantage
of
and
introduced
to
your
Finance
team
to
provide
again
free
assistance,
free
high
level
assistance
and
training.
We
have
week
monthly
convenings
of
Finance
people
from
around
the
state
that
she
manages
her
name's
Sarah
Macy.
She
was
the
finance
director
in
in
Essex,
so
we
provide
that
knowledge.
The
third
one
is
representation.
P
We
last
year
we
booked
14
1500
hours
or
more
of
time,
lobbying
on
municipalities,
behalfs
and
had
you
know,
results
to
show
for
it.
When
you
talk
about
the
attempt
to
repeal
qualified
immunity,
we
tried
to
inform
that
conversation
about
what
it
would
mean
for
municipal
policing.
When
we
were
talking
about
housing
reform,
we
were.
We
tried
to
represent
common
interests
of
municipalities,
our
members,
we
just
completed
our
2022
member
survey
and
for
the
second
year
in
a
row,
housing
was
the
number
one
thing.
P
Our
municipalities
say
they're
concerned
about
addressing
housing,
affordability
so
trying
to
look
after
interest
for
municipal
municipalities
to
try
to
promote
housing.
The
fourth
one
you
know
very
well,
we
run
risk
pools.
We
were
sorry
not
to
win
your
business
at
the
league,
but
we're
here,
for
you,
I
mean
we
were.
We
created
these
programs
because
our
membership,
you
demanded
that
we
create
them,
so
know
that
we're
here
for
you
in
the
future
and
finally,
we
provide
connection.
P
Most
importantly,
she
is
a
former
Municipal
administrator
and
has
some
private
sector
experience
and
development,
and
we
launched
the
arpa
assistance
and
coordination
program
with
support
from
the
Vermont
legislature
when
the
200
plus
million
dollars
showed
up
in
your
bank
accounts.
I
wish
it
all
came
to
you.
We
were
charged
by
the
legislature
with
helping
share
information
and
make
sure
that
you're
make
sure
that
municipalities
know
this
money
is
coming,
what
it
can
be
used
for
and
what
the
best
practices
were
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Katie,
Buckley
sure.
AA
AA
It
originally
came
through
when
the
Act
was
first
passed
under
an
interim
rule
that
was
pretty
limiting
in
terms
of
how
the
funds
could
be
used,
the
smaller
the
community,
the
more
difficult
it
was
to
spend
your
money
so
much
with
much
anticipation.
They
issued
the
final
rule
in
January
and
the
final
rule
brought
about
I'm
kind
of
jumping
ahead:
Ted
I'm,
sorry,
how
about
I?
Let
you
you
do
the
framework,
are
you
sure,
basically,
the
arbor
assistance
and
coordination
program?
AA
AA
So
everything
from
prior
to
prioritizing
local
projects
and
initiatives
in
communities
down
to
how
do
I
get
a
sam.gov
ID
to
I,
have
to
report
by
April
30th,
you
name
it
anything
related
to
arpa.
We
have
helped
with,
and
we
have
created
some
great
Partnerships
throughout
the
state
in
helping
communities
use
their
funds
in
transformative
ways
to
advance
local
priorities.
We
partner
with
regional
planning
commissions,
Regional
development,
Corps,
strong
partnership
with
the
state
of
Vermont.
AA
The
total
arpa
allocation
for
the
state
was
1.25
billion
dollars.
200
million
went
directly
to
municipalities
and
a
little
over
one
billion
dollars
went
through
the
state,
and
so
you
really
deploying
that
money
and
making
sure
that
every
dollar
nothing's
left
on
the
table.
That's
the
that's
our
goal
and
I
think
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction
and
so
I'll.
Let
you
talk
a
little
about
our
framework.
P
So,
as
you
tonight
take
the
next
step
in
evaluating
some
ways,
you
could
spend
your
arpa
money.
I
wanted
to
remind
you
of
some
essential
framework,
an
essential
kind
of
well
I,
say
the
spirit
of
the
law
of
arpa,
because,
as
Katie
just
mentioned,
a
lot
of
things
have
changed.
Since
this
money
came
and
you
have
a
little
more
freedom
which
we'll
talk
about
in
a
moment.
But
the
spirit
of
the
law
remains
to
help
communities
recover
from
covid
and
to
help
communities
be
more
resilient
going
forward.
P
P
You
can't
lose
what
you
don't
have
exactly
so.
In
the
end,
you
have
a
really
unique
opportunity
to
spend
this
money
to
really
focus
on
investing
in
the
future,
as
opposed
to
filling
gaps,
and
that
was
you
know,
two-part
goal
of
this
legislation.
So
from
the
beginning,
we've
been
talking
about
three
fundamental
things:
that
municipalities
should
be
working
on:
prioritizing
good
governance
and
how
they
spend
this
money,
leveraging
the
arpa
aid
and
investing
in
the
best
uses
for
long-term
recovery
and
trying
to
hit
that
sweet
spot
right
in
the
middle.
P
So
what
do
those
three
things
mean?
It
means
one
having
hearings
and
conversations
with
citizens
about
how
they
want
to
spend
this
money.
That's
prioritizing
good
governance
right
doing
it
in
a
transparent
manner.
It
also
means-
and
I
saw
I'm-
not
sure
if
you
did
a
city-wide
survey
of
some
of
your
committees.
Did
surveys
surveying
your
community.
That
was
a
great
move
on
behalf
of
South
Burlington
like
showing
that
good
governance,
the
second
piece
is
leveraging
your
arpeg.
You
shouldn't
just
spend
your
five
million
dollars
and
call
it
a
day
right.
P
You
should
turn
that
five
million
dollars
into
10
or
20
million
dollars
there
is
so
much
additional
Federal
money
out
there
in
state
money
right
now
that
really
not
leveraging
that
money
is
still
very
important
and
finally,
long-term
recovery.
South
Burlington
is
in
a
unique
position.
You
are
the
second
largest
community
in
the
state
second
largest
allocation
in
the
State
national
news
outlets.
Congress
they'll
be
they'll
notice.
P
What
you
do
with
your
five
million
dollars
and
I
think
it's
really
important
that
South
Burlington
at
Burlington
that
these
communities
show
that
it's
being
used
in
the
right
way.
I'd
commend
you
for
using
that
million
dollars
for
housing.
That's
an
incredible!
You
know
exactly
on
point
with
this
middle
of
that
Venn
diagram
and
so
kudos
for
kind
of
demonstrating
that
and
taking
that
first
step.
AA
Sure,
thank
you.
This
is
what
I
was
starting
into
before,
but
it's
really
the
biggest
change
that
came
out
of
the
final
rule
is
this
thing
called
the
standard
allowance,
so
what
it
allows
pretty
much
every
town,
city
and
Village
in
the
state
of
Vermont,
including
South,
Burlington,
to
take
its
entire
arpa
award
and
claim
it
as
lost
Revenue.
Even
though
you
didn't
have
it,
you
may
have
had
it,
you
may
not.
AA
Have
you
don't
have
to
demonstrate
document
or
proof
that
you
had
lost
Revenue
treasury
is
allowing
you
to
take
a
standard
allowance
up
to
10
million
dollars,
so
your
total
award
5.6,
it's
5.65
can
be
used
for
the
provision
of
government
services,
and
so,
as
Ted
said
just
because
Ken
doesn't
mean
you
should
you
have
five
and
a
half
million
dollars
dropped
into
your
lapse
that
you
will
probably
never
have
happen
again
and
the
intent
of
the
funding.
The
spirit
of
the
funding
really
is
around
transformative
transformational
investments
in
your
community.
AA
So
what
have
you
wanted
to
do?
That
is
big
and
bold.
That's
what
communities
across
the
state
are
thinking
about.
Now
there
are
places
where
you
do
need
to
fill
gaps.
That's
a
reality
of
the
moment,
but
transformational
Investments
is
really
the
place
to
go.
There
is
so
much
Federal
funding
that
really
you're
sitting
on
5.6
million
dollars
of
opportunity.
So
if
there
is
additional
funding
out
there
to
be
had
the
very
very
best
part
of
this
for
me,
I
get
so
excited
about.
It
is
under
the
standard
allowance.
AA
About
that,
okay
and
so
federal
funds
can't
typically
match
federal
funds.
So
if
you're
hunting
around
for
Grant
match-
and
you
have
this
other
great
Federal
program-
that's
part
of
a
project
can't
be
used
as
your
Grant
match.
Well
because
of
the
standard
allowance,
you
can
use
your
all
of
your
arpa
award
as
Grant
match.
So,
as
Ted
said,
you're
5.6
million
dollars
can
be
stretched
and
really
multiply.
If
you
are
willing
and
able
to
chase
other
funding,
don't
know
what
I
just
did
with
the
mic.
AA
E
Z
AA
Correct
correct
and
if
you
are
applying
for
a
grant
and
you
get
pushed
back
from
your
funder,
you
can
feel
free
to
call
me
and
I'll
have
a
conversation
with
them.
We've
had
many
because
it
doesn't.
It
sounds
too
good
to
be
true,
but
it
is
true,
that's
pretty
rare
when
you're
talking
about
Federal
money,
so
we
have
we're
just
about
to
launch
the
federal
funding
assistance
program
and
in
the
spirit
of
leveraging,
using
your
arpa
funds
working
with
communities
to
say
how
much
Arbor
money
do
you
have?
What
are
your
local
priorities?
AA
How
can
we
help
pair
you
up
with
additional
grant
opportunities
so
that
you
can
do
more
so
that
you
can
look
at
what
your
community
needs
are
where
your
community
priorities
are
what
your
residents
really
want
you
to
do.
That's
big,
bold
and
different
and
see
if
you
can
leverage
money
to
get
that
accomplished.
G
G
P
P
A
AA
You
know
what
we're
really
seeing
mostly
is
towns
sitting
back
taking
time
and
doing
community
outreach
right
now
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
spending
that
has
taken
place
yet
in
the
smaller
towns
and
I
want
to
say.
Barry
City
also
did
an
affordable
housing
using
their
funds
for
affordable
housing
and
I.
AA
We're
seeing
towns
entertain
the
idea
of
water
and
wastewater
projects,
a
small
Village,
Water
and
Wastewater
projects
that
maybe
wouldn't
have
for,
but
for
the
fact
that
there's
so
much
additional
funding
if
there
was
ever
a
moment
to
take
on
a
project
like
that
now
is
the
moment.
We'll
never
see
funding
like
this
again
to
get
those
types
of
Big,
Ticket
infrastructure
projects
done
it's.
AA
You
know,
depending
upon
the
size
and
scale
of
the
community,
doing
a
small
town
hall
project
renovation
project
is
a
massive
project
for
a
small
town,
so
there's
no
shortage
of
great
ideas
and
possibilities
to
use
their
funding
on
and
using
the
town
hall
project.
It's
a
community
space
there's
a
lot
of
other
programming
that
goes
on
in
there
and
it's
a
great
resource
for
the
community.
Just
besides
the
town
office.
Just
like
this.
A
AA
AA
The
municipality
could
potentially
be
the
owner
of
the
building
and
then
lease
it
to
a
child
care
provider
or,
if
you're,
doing
a
larger
scale.
Municipal
project
with
multiple
tenants
of
which
child
care
is
one.
The
municipality
could
be
the
owner
of
the
the
building.
So
there's
lots
of
different
models,
but
Child
Care
is
a
huge
issue.
Z
Thank
you,
Alan
picking
up
on
Ellen's
point
about
collaboration.
Is
there
a
resource?
First
of
all,
it's
amazing
that
we
have
this
and
I
agree
with
all
your
points,
but
there
might
be
an
opportunity,
particularly
with
child
care
and
I'm
sure,
there's
many
others
where
working
with
a
neighboring
town,
where
we
have
the
same
burdens
and
we
have
all
the
Cross
travel
might
be
very
effective
or
housing.
Is
there
a
way,
a
pathway
that
you
all
provide
that
we
can.
Z
AA
Where
we've
sparked
conversations
around
that
and
the
rpcs
are
more
of
the
boots
on
the
ground
and
able
to
really
have
those
conversations
and
know
which
communities
to
pair
up
you
know.
All
of
this
is
challenging
ourselves
to
think
differently
than
we
have
before,
and
so
local
control,
as
someone
who
worked
in
a
small
town,
local
control
is
very
important
and
thinking
outside
your
town
boundary
to
best
meet.
AA
The
needs
of
your
residents
is
new
and
bold
and
brave,
but
really
critical
to
channel
resources
in
a
way
that's
sustainable
and
intelligent,
because
if
every
small
community
has
a
Child
Care
Center
or
every
when
you
when
you
can
group
need
together,
it's
it's
more
financially
sustainable
over
time.
And
so,
if
you
had
multiple
needs
met
in
a
single
space
with
multiple
tenants,
they're
all
contributing,
and
they
don't
have
to
worry
about
being
Property
Owners,
which
is
a
really
hard
thing
for
small
nonprofits
to
do.
I'm.
AA
AA
A
D
J
Sure
so
I
outlined
this
all
I
think
I
hope
it's
pretty
clear
in
the
memo
it's
as
we
just
heard,
5.6
million
that
we
received
you've
already
allocated
I
guess
it
goes
quick,
2.5
million
on
a
various
different
projects,
including
refunding
three
City
staff,
Frozen
positions
in
the
FY
22
budget.
Those
are
allocated
out
throughout
the
duration
of
the
spending
window
for
arpo,
which
is
the
end
of
2026,
with
gradual
step
out,
so
that
there's
not
a
fiscal
cliff.
It's
more
of
a
fiscal
stairs
right.
A
J
A
J
And
also
you've
I
think
there's
been
a
couple
of
different
sort
of
one
time
there
there's
one
city
Grant
match
we're
gonna
experience
that
with
illuminate
Vermont
coming
up
in
a
couple
weeks,
Council
pledged
arpa
dollars
for
that
grant
funding
opportunity
also
some
CIP
support.
These
are
deferred,
covid,
deferred
projects
and
expenditures
in
FY,
23
that
were
included
in
the
budget
and,
of
course,
the
one
million
dollars
for
affordable
housing.
J
When
we
present
the
budget
next
Monday,
it
will
include
the
504
of
arpa
dollars
for
CIP
support,
as
it's
currently
proposed,
and
then
also
the
1
million
for
Community
child
care
service
support.
I
know
Jesse's
had
some
initial
conversations
about
what
that
may
look
like
with
some
of
our
state
partners.
J
H
A
question
on
the
CIP
support
that
you've
penciled
in
here
so
in
the
packet
that
I
read
of
all
the
different
proposals.
There's
a
lot
of
them
that
come
up
that
I'm,
hoping
those
are
already
in
the
Sip.
But
is
this
money
that
you
have
laid
out
targeted
at
anything,
or
is
it
really
just
to
try
to
advance
more
of
our?
Is
our
long-standing
CIP
projects
so.
J
A
Z
Can
I
ask
a
quick
and
dumb
question?
I
get
one
of
these
a
night
at
least
so
we
have
until
December
31st
we
have
more
than
a
year
to
allocate,
and
then
we
have
until
2026.,
oh
yeah,
2020
two
years,
two
years
right,
yeah,
okay,
two
dumb
questions:
what
year
is
it
to
allocate
and
then
spend
it?
But
the
dumb
question
is:
where
is
the
money
sitting?
Is
it
in
our
bank
account
making
four
and
a
half
percent
interest,
or
is
it
in
some
other
bank
account?
It's.
Z
A
J
Yes,
the
ambulance
yes,
has
been
spent
okay,
and
there
was
a
slight
overage
with
that.
I
have
the
in
the
kind
of
in
the
the
footnote
there
that
we
reallocated
some
of
those
okay
2022
dollars.
Okay,
dispatch
consoles,
that's
already
been
spent
firefighter
staff
PPE
permitting
software
has
not
Office,
365
has
illuminae,
Vermont
has
affordable.
Housing
mostly
has
been
on
the
warrant
or,
if
not
it'll,
be
on
an
upcoming
warranty.
A
C
A
A
A
C
C
C
Jump
in
yeah,
so
I
just
want
to
really
thank
all
the
volunteers
who
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
the
last
two
months
of
committee
meetings
making
suggestions
to
the
council.
The
point
for
tonight
is
really
for
the
council
to
hear
from
all
of
you
about
those
ideas
they
have.
They
do
have
everybody's
written
suggestions,
including
the
planning
commissions
and
but,
as
Helen
said
earlier,
the
intention
isn't
to
make
decisions
tonight.
C
A
In
terms
terms
of
the
committee's
responsibilities,
if
we
gave
each
of
you
15
minutes,
we'd
be
here,
you
know
until
midnight
and
the
written
material
I
must
compliment.
You
was
very
clear
and
you
gave
a
lot
of
detail
so
I
think
as
we
go
through
each
of
the
Committees.
If
you
can
spend
five
minutes,
maybe
just
summarizing.
A
But
I
had
wanted
to
start
with
the
Planning
Commission,
because
while
they
didn't
put
a
dollar
figure
on
anything,
they
sort
of
looked
in
a
I
guess
a
Planning
Commission
way
at
a
sort
of
overarching
view
and
their
recommendation
was
to
take
the
money
and
allocate
it
in
three
buckets
and
the
first
was
funding
implementation
of
the
climate
action
plan
which
might
include
additional
staff
positions,
and
they,
you
know,
identified
a
few
things.
The
second
was
the
council
could
acquire
additional
city-owned,
open
space
or
conservation
areas.
A
On
top
of
the
third
that's
already
suggested,
and
they
gave
some
ideas,
purchasing,
tdas
and
and
I
think
Katie
mentioned
that
as
one
of
the
things
that
that
communities
were
doing
as
a
you
know,
buying
up
property
so
that
at
some
point,
maybe
later
you
could
either
build
affordable
housing
or
you'd
have
open
space.
And,
lastly,
the
third
one
was
to
support
child
care.
A
So
it's
looking
at
this
million
dollars
that
we
have
still
available,
plus
all
that
potential
match
to
put
it
think
of
it
in
three
buckets
and
when
I,
when
I
read
through
all
of
the
committee
suggestions,
you
know
I
think
it
they
do
fit
in
pretty
well,
it's
kind
of
a
nice
way
to
look
at
that.
If
the
council
liked
the
idea
of
a
third
open
space,
a
third
to
housing
and
a
third
to
operations,
specifically
child
care,
so.
A
A
G
A
A
Which
could
also
upgrade
current
housing
through
one-time
grants
to
homeowners
for
energy
conservation,
so
it
could
support
some
making
some
houses,
maybe
more
affordable?
Second,
that
it's
more
the
open
space
acquiring
additional
open
space
or
conservation
areas,
and
the
third
was
allocate
funding
to
support
child
care.
It
was
sort
of
the
operations
and.
O
O
O
Go
okay,
I'm
Mike,
some
now
I'm
the
new
chair
of
wrecking
Park
I'm
here
with
Oliver
Pearson,
and
we're
going
to
provide
you
with
a
presentation
and
I
think
your
idea
of
hitting
the
major
points,
probably
a
good
one,
Oliver's
going
to
carry
the
ball
Oliver
and
Holly
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Reviewing
our
wants
and
needs
and
I
think
Oliver
can
speak
to
those
best.
So
I'm
going
to
pass
the
ball
to
Oliver.
Here.
AD
It
becomes
more
of
a
transformational
investment
I
think
when
we
saw
the
results
of
the
survey
there's
a
number
of
of
references
directly
in
the
survey
that
was
done
to
not
only
the
importance
of
the
fields
and
the
recreational
facilities
and
recreational
programs
in
helping
residents
of
South
Burlington
deal
with
get
through
the
pandemic,
cope
with
the
challenges
created
by
the
pandemic,
but
but
also
really
highlighted
as
investments
in
improving
these
facilities.
As
as
some
of
the
priorities,
I
think
everyone's
familiar
with
the
survey
but
I'll
just
highlight
a
few
points.
You
know
question
one.
AD
Question
five,
as
respondents
are
asked
to
rate
eligible
projects,
investments
in
Parks
and
Recreation
infrastructure
was
listed
as
both
number
five
and
eight
and
the
very
important
project
category
question
six:
asking
respondents
I'd
like
to
see
this
once
in
a
generation
fund
spent
the
top
response
from
40
people
was
Recreation
spaces
and
the
second
response
from
22
people
was
bike
in
pedestrian
infrastructure
and
finally,
question
six.
The
top
three
Project
Specific
responses
were
Park
improvements,
the
community
pool
and
a
recreation
center
respectively.
AD
So
I
think
there's
a
bit
of
a
trend
here
that
the
residents
feel
that
these
these
Investments
are
important
to
help
them
cope
with
coming
through
the
pandemic
and
address
some
of
the
challenges
at
the
current
state
of
our
of
our
Parks
and
Recreation
infrastructure
create.
So,
as
a
committee,
we
came
up
with
a
number
of
proposed
Investments.
AD
It's
it's
in
the
memo
that
that
we
submitted,
but
we
really
think
that
the
lack
of
a
regular
funding
resource
or
specific
funding
allocation
to
Recreation
and
Parks
Department
historically
has
limited
the
Department's
ability
to
proactively
address
these
challenges
in
response
to
the
needs
that
have
been
created
both
both
by
the
pandemic
and
by
the
high
level
of
use
that
these
facilities
get.
You
know
if
you've
been
to
Veterans
Park
on
a
Saturday
doing
a
soccer
tournament.
AD
You
can
see
the
the
little
the
thousands
of
people
I
think
that
come
and
go
from
from
those
fields
in
a
day
and
and
they're
such
an
important
aspect
of
sort
of
the
fabric
of
of
community
life
in
South
Burlington.
But
there
are
so
many
challenges
that
we've
articulated
in
this
memo.
That
could
be
addressed
to
really
improve
the
quality
of
the
services
that
we're
that
we're
offering
with
these
recreational
parks
facilities.
AD
So
I
don't
want
to
go
through
them
all
one
by
one,
I
think
they
fall
into
a
couple
categories:
a
Park's
master
plan
to
help
us
really
do
some
visioning
and
figure
out
where
we
want
to
go
into
future.
To
continue
to
improve
these
these
assets
and
these
these
facilities
and
these
Services
dealing
with
the
challenge
of
deferred
maintenance-
that's
that's
been.
AD
So
you
know
I,
think
I'll
finish
with
saying
you
know
when
I
think
about
helping
the
community
recover
in
an
investment,
that's
going
to
have
a
lasting
impact
for
the
residents
of
South
Burlington,
given
the
high
use
of
these
facilities
and
Fields
that
was
articulated
in
the
survey
and
the
importance
that
they
played
to
help
people
connect
socially.
As
we
come
out
of
the
pandemic.
I
think
this
type
of
investment
would
really
address.
Those
two
points
that
the
council
has
already
mentioned
are
priorities
for
for
use
of
this
funding.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
K
Yeah
base
fund
has
a
few
more
years
left
where
we're
using
that
for
some
of
the
upkeep
of
our
Parks,
including
Red
Rocks.
So
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
the
you
know,
the
bathroom
facility,
you
know
fits
into
what
has
already
been
you
know,
become
policy
in
terms
of
using
some
of
those
open
space
funds
for
for
renovations
and
upkeep
and
maintenance.
AE
AE
It
was
identified
as
a
priority,
but
didn't
make
what
we
call
the
oh
snap
list
so
previous
to
me,
I
think
in
2016
there
was
a
list
developed
of
the
needs
and
kind
of
slated
with
priorities
of
funding
for
the
open
space
funding
source,
and
so
it
was
an
identified
project
but
didn't
make
the
priority
one
or
two
list
and
I
think
as
it's
such
a
heavy
price
tag.
Okay,.
AE
AE
That's
still
in
the
works,
you
know
we're
working
with
the
developer,
so
they've
reached
that
kind
of
75
build
out
threshold,
so
kind
of
still
conceptualizing
that,
but
it
would
be
a
youth-sized
soccer
field.
There
they're
also
working
with
a
a
small
commercial
building
on
that
corner.
That
would
house
bathrooms
on
the
back
of
it.
So
when
they
kind
of
start
that
process
I
think
it'll
kick
in.
A
AE
E
A
Planning
the
the
master
plan
I
mean
it's
a
pretty
big
ticket
item,
150
000,
but
I'm
kind
of
a
planner
type,
but
then
I
get
worried
if
we
have
spent
all
our
money
on
planning
than
when
we
have
the
plans,
the
cost
of
implementing
them
will
be
will
need
another
arpa
Grant.
It
won't
be
there,
but
I'm
just
curious
how
you
see
a
master
plan
as
being
transformative.
AE
So
Mike
just
gave
me
a
thumb,
so
I
I
can
speak
in
and
fill
in
the
gaps.
So
as
we're
looking,
you
know,
we've
had
a
huge
population
jump
and
bubble.
We
will
continue
to
see
that,
and
so
a
Parks
master
plan
will
help
us.
You
know
plan
into
the
future
to
identify
what
the
gaps
are
in
our
system
throughout
the
community
for
for
right
now
and
then
also
building
out.
You
know
some
departments
conceptualize
both
a
recreation
and
a
Parks
master
plan.
AE
The
committee
is
recommending
just
a
physical
park
facility
master
plan
as
well.
As
you
know,
bike
and
pet
I
think
has
come
with
a
similar
concept.
So
working
you
know
with
the
planning
and
zoning
department
to
kind
of
facilitate
many
of
these,
and,
and
you
know
in
what
Lanes
do
they
cross
and
can
they
be
done
together
and
just
you
know,
prioritizing
clearly
there's
staff
time
and
commitment.
So
when
we
can
all
do
all
these
things
together
is
going
to
be
a
deciding
factor
too.
H
Not
a
question
just
more
comment:
I
just
want
to
say,
I
see
all
of
this
as
really
fitting
into
that
Venn
diagram
from
the
vlct
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
investing
in
our
parks
and
recs
is
what
the
that
pandemic
made
us
realize
we
need
more
of
because
we
need
healthy
outdoor
recreational
spaces.
I
remember
the
height
of
the
pandemic,
when
we
wanted
to
take
our
kids
to
anywhere.
H
That
was
outdoors
and,
as
we
look
forward,
more
pandemics
might
happen
or
whatnot,
but
we
just
know
that's
healthier
activity,
so
I
fully
support
all
this.
The
questions
I'll
have
at
a
future
meeting
really
to
you.
Holly
is
how
do
we,
what
opportunities
to
leverage
this
with
arpa
Aid
and
how
this
fits
with
current
sip
planning,
but
I
just
love
all
the
ideas
in
here
I
hope
they
all
get
happen,
because
we
need
more
Wrecking
Parks
facilities,
an
investment
yeah.
O
And
just
one
last
Quick
thought
collaboration
and
leverage
I
mean
you
mentioned
earlier.
You
know
we
could
use
10
million
bucks,
so
there's
never
enough
money
to
go
around,
but
we
would
love
to
find
ways
to
collaborate
in
order
to
leverage
the
funds
that
there
are
in
there.
So
our
ask
is
a
big
ask,
but
we
know
we
do
know
that
our
agendas
as
Oliver
said
overlap
with
open
space,
natural
resources,
bike
and
Pad
self.
Finding
ways
to
work
together
will
make
our
money
go
further.
So.
N
We
like
nature
too.
After
all,
it
is
public
art,
I'm,
Penny
Tompkins
and
my
fellow
Committee
Member
tree
stratman
is
here
today
and
then
I'm
happy
to
say
that
all
of
our
committee
members
are
online.
So
we
have
oh
and
John,
is
here
sorry,
John
and
Jean
Sebastian.
Shallow
is
also
here.
He
has
two
hats
on
today,
as
do
I.
N
Oh
there's
Sophia.
Thank
you
Sophia,
yes
and
Anna
Elana,
our
staff
person.
Oh
there
they
are
Amanda
is
our
vice
chair
and
John.
Kolacki
Sophia
did
I,
say
everybody's
name,
I,
hope
so,
and
Michelle
Bailey
is
here
as
well
and
she's,
our
liaison
with
the
Vermont
Arts
Council,
and
it's
super
helpful.
So
thank
you
all
for
coming
team.
N
N
I.
Think
you
know,
we've
started
to
do
some
public
art
projects
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
right
now,
they're
all
tied
to
City
projects
in
Tiff.
Although
we
have
started
our
first,
one
that
is,
will
be
in
a
different
location,
and
so
we
want
to
issue
an
RFP
and
get
some
help
from
an
outside
consultant
and
that
we
will
work
with
convening
with
stakeholders.
Both
artists,
community
members
do
focus
groups,
learn
what
our
community
finds
important
about
the
Arts.
We
were
disappointed.
N
So
ours
is
that's
our
simple
request,
so
we
are
one
of
the
short
ones
we
do
think
because
we
haven't
had
this
Force
up
Burlington
before
it
has
the
chance
to
well
actually
illuminate
Vermont
is
a
good
example
of
how
we're
trying
to
put
ourselves
on
the
map
with
a
cultural
involvement,
and
so
while
we
have
not
been
active
in
that
project,
obviously
it's
just
that
we
might.
We
can
start
doing
that
for
our
city,
and
we
know
that
getting
some
help
to
develop
a
cultural
plan
will
allow
us
to
do
that.
A
N
The
other
yeah,
but
it
is
there
I-
should
have
added
also
that
in
the
in
the
coming
development
of
the
new
comprehensive
plan.
We
also
feel
that
this
is
an
important
part
for
our
committee
to
be
able
to
contribute
to
what
we
would
like
to
see
in
the
new
comprehensive
plan
about
the
arts
and
culture
and
the
importance
of
it
to
the
community
in
general.
N
A
Y
H
H
I
love,
sobu
night
out,
I
am
not
taking
away
from
all
the
great
things
we
do
looking
at
Holly,
but
I
think
that
there,
with
the
New
Market
Street,
there
are
opportunities
with
a
cultural
assessment
like
this
to
look
at
how
we
can
have
our
artists,
local
artists,
shine
in
in
areas
in
front
of
the
library
where
we
have
this
great
new
facility
where
they
can
come
in
and
use
the
use,
the
facilities
and
so
on
so
very
reasonable
request.
Absolutely.
G
AF
It's
right
there,
hello,
I'm,
chair
of
the
nrcc
Larry
kupperman,
Vice,
chair,
all
right,
I
think
we're
gonna
be
a
short
one
too.
What
I
heard,
though
I
want
to
say
that
from
the
get-go
on
the
vlct
and
the
Planning
and
Zoning
things
that
are
really
Echo?
What
we
are
about
to
to
present
here
is
the
investing
investment
in
the
long
term.
This
is
really
both.
Our
plans
are
here.
AF
The
public
outrage,
the
second
items
we're
going
to
ask
is
public
Outreach
and
input,
and
Planning
and
Zoning
was
talking
about
open
space
acquisition,
and
our
second
request
is
about
open
space
planning.
So
that's
really
key
to
that
open
space
acquisition
and
the
climate
action
plan.
Both
our
requests
are
directly
impacting
climate
action.
So
that's
the
preamble
a
way
to
put
forward
before
we
start
in
the
meat
of
it
keep
going
okay,
so
the
first
one
is
about
canopy.
AF
Part
of
our
charge
is
to
have
a
preserved,
canopy,
so
trees
and
their
coverage
in
the
city.
So
we
are,
we
as
a
state
and
a
nation
really
are
being
hit
by
the
emerald
ash
borer,
that's
a
pest
that
kills
Emerald
kills
ash
trees
in
in
a
matter
of
two
years.
So
we
have
a
plan
in
place
to
address
that,
but
we
feel
like
the
arpa
funding
can
help
us
keep
the
canopy
instead
of
just
planting
replacing
tree
for
tree.
AF
AF
So
that's
for
the
the
first
request.
The
second
request
is
to
develop
the
open
space
plan,
so
the
open
space
plan
that
we
have
now
is
old,
2014,
I,
guess
and
we
are
working
on
establishing
a
new
one.
The
committee
is
working
as
it
should
to
to
establish
that,
but
having
more
resources
to
reach
the
public,
both
communicating
or
finding
and
helping
us
gather
information
and
getting
it
to
the
public
and
gather
the
Public's
feedback
for
us
to
establish
that
plan
is
something
that
will
require
financing.
AF
H
So
I
feel
like
I,
have
to
say
I
love
all
of
these,
but
I
do
I
love
the
tree
thing,
because
the
South
Burlington
loves
trees,
but
I'm
really
pausing
on
the
second
request.
I'm
curious.
Does
our
open
space
fund
at
all
allow
for
this
type
of
planning
I
know,
there's
a
small
percentage
of
the
open
space
dollars
where
we
can
use
it
for
administrative
functions
and
so
on
so
I
question.
If
the
arpa
needs
to
be
used
to
study
our
open
space.
J
AF
AF
A
Y
Y
A
Y
AH
AG
AH
AH
The
book
van
would
also
be
shared
with
the
Parks
and
Recreation
group
as
well
to
make
sure
we
get
the
value
out
of
the
van,
but
by
using
how
allowing
them
to
in
seasonal
Summer
Staff
to
help
with
impromptu
recreational
activities
as
well.
So
we
would
share
the
van
to
make
sure
we
maximize
its
use,
I'm
in
line
with
what,
how
and
what
you
were
saying
about
you
know
using
the
third
or
third
or
third
accessing
child
care
and
also
accessible
housing
for
people.
AH
AH
It
would
also
make
a
stronger
Community
connections
out
with
our
in
with
our
citizens,
to
make
sure
that
the
Library
resources
are
available
and
also
for
older
adults.
We
would
be
able
to
do
that,
so
we
feel
that
this
was
the
next
facet
of
expanding
the
investment
that
we've
made
into
the
library
and
would
allow
to,
for
a
small
amount
to
continue
to
make
that
large
investment
that
the
community
made
make
it
accessible
to
all
citizens
of
the
community.
AG
And
one
other
point
with
this
is
not
just
bringing
books
to
the
community,
but
also
having
the
library
staff
go
out
into
the
community
to
welcome
people
into
the
new
library.
This
is
a
new
space.
We
are
having
wonderful
numbers
coming
to
the
library,
but
people
that
are
not
as
familiar
and
not
as
comfortable
being
here.
This
is
a
really
nice
way
to
encourage
them
to
come,
and
also
to
talk
about
some
of
the
things
like
people
with
mobility
issues
that
need
to
take
the
bus
at
this
time.
AG
The
bus
stop
is
at
Barnes
and
Noble.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
walk
to
the
library,
so
having
staff
be
able
to
kind
of
talk
through
some
of
those
things
and
the
future
of
Market
Street
changing
it's.
It's
really
that
bringing
us
to
them
to
encourage
that,
as
well
as
bringing
books
and
literacy
out
into
the.
A
AH
AC
B
AE
AE
Yep
so
we've
conceptualized
a
wreck
on
the
go
vehicle,
and
that
would
be
you
know:
seasonal
Summer,
Staff
in
combination
with
you
know
our
staff.
We
traditionally
work
when
people
play
so
we're
out
in
the
evenings
anyway.
So
this
would
just
be.
You
know
another
way
to
bring
Services
into
our
parks
and
Community.
Okay,.
AE
AE
A
AC
One
Holly's
describing
it
differently
now,
so
it's
obviously
constantly
has
room
to
change.
But
in
one
of
our
pattern
one
of
our
discussions,
it
was
that
the
parks
are
primarily
open
and
people
are
visiting
them
during
the
summer
months,
and
so
if
we
can
provide
a
nine
month
schedule
of
regular
visits
for
for
the
book
piece
that
the
that
Rec
would
then
have
primary
use
of
the
van
during
the
summer
months
when
the
parks
are
the
most
used.
AC
K
AH
AE
And
the
only
other
thing
that
I
would
add
is
when
we
conceptualized
this
building.
However,
many
years
ago,
you
know
Jennifer
and
I
really
talked
about
the
great
opportunities
to
to
work
together
and,
to
kind
of
you
know,
broaden
our
offerings
to
the
community
in
general,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
one
mobile
unit
way
where
we
can
be
song
and
dance
visual
together,
and
you
know
yes
well.
I
didn't
prepare
the
tap
dance.
B
H
H
H
T
T
How
can
you
go
out
and
educate
and
help
to
support
folks
making
these
decisions
right?
There's
all
they're,
complex
decisions
and
there's
a
lot
to
understand,
and
so
we
can
provide
some
community
support
through
that.
That's
the
idea
there
not
to
try
to
you
know,
replicate
the
programs
that
already
exist
and
then
there's
some
lawnmower
activities
that
are
again.
You
know
complementary
to
the
existing
programs.
T
We
have
a
plan
to
rapidly
accelerate
the
number
of
EVS,
but
a
lot
of
people
are
concerned
that
they
won't
have
places
to
charge
them,
and
so
that's
a
really
critical
piece
to
make
it
a
more
hospitable
environment
not
only
for
residents
but
also
to
bring
in
folks
from
outside
of
town
who
have
EVs
and
would
come
to.
You
know
shop
here
and
recreate
and
then
there's
some
mass
transit
and
bike
walk
infrastructure.
T
I
think
the
the
bus
stops
are
a
really
critical
piece.
You
know
we
talk
about
transformative
activities
and
things
that
will
last
for
years
and
years
in
the
future,
and
this
can
really
change
the
dynamic
around
what
it
means
to
take.
The
bus
we've
all
lived
here
long
enough
to
know
why
that's
important
and
microtransit
services.
This
would
be
a
pilot
to
figure
out
how
to
make
this
work.
When
I
lived
in
Pittsburgh
I
took
the
bus,
because
I
could
walk
two
blocks
to
a
corner
and
a
bus
came
by
every
five
minutes.
T
We
are
never
going
to
be
at
a
scale
in
Vermont
where
we
can
support
that
kind
of
you
know:
full-size
bus
traffic,
it's
just
not
in
scale
of
the
population,
and
so
this
is
a
new
idea
that
montpelier's
been
trying
and
other
small
communities
have
been
trying
and
it
still
needs
to
get
worked
out,
and
we
need
to
figure
out
how
it
would
work
here
and
some
of
the
bike.
Walk
recommendations
are
really
things
that
we
support.
Working
with
bike
ped
on
the
details
and
budgets
of
so
I
won't
go
into
details.
T
There
I
will
flag
that
the
subsidies
for
the
purchase
of
electric
bikes
and
charging
equipment
was
intended
to
address
some
of
the
equity
issues.
Those
are
somewhat
expensive,
first
cost.
So
that's
intended
to
go
to
income
eligible
households
and
then
the
the
last
one
I
think
really.
This
is
the
the
big
picture.
Again
there
is
a
funding
Gap
in
the
climate
action
plan
for
implementation
plans
for
some
of
the
categories.
T
I
think
buildings
in
thermal
was
the
the
most
notable
one
there,
and
so
this
is
intended
to
address
that
aspect
and
also
to
really
think
more
broadly
about
what
is
it
going
to
take
to
implement
the
climate
action
plan
writ
large?
How
do
we
go
after
grant
funding?
How
do
we
bring
in
the
type
of
support
from
other
organizations
to
be
able
to
achieve
these
goals,
and
so
the
idea
here
is
to
to
bring
in
some
expertise
to
help
draft
an
implementation
plan
that
really
puts
the
numbers
to.
T
How
are
we
going
to
get
all
the
money
and
all
the
the
momentum
behind
actually
achieving
the
climate
action
plan
right?
We
don't
want
this
thing
to
set
on
the
Shelf.
We
want
it
to
be
very
clear.
We
wanted
to
get
done,
it
isn't
going
to
happen
by
itself.
It'd
be
great
if
we
could
hire
three
new
people
and
and
do
this
all
ourselves,
but
this
is
a
quick
start
way
to
bring
in
a
high
power
team
and
help
us
make
a
plan
for
implementation.
That's.
C
A
Good
well
I
mean
I.
My
follow-up
was
going
to
be
probably
more
to
you
that
probably
what's
true
with
all
of
these
Master
plans
or
implementation
plans,
you
get
it.
You
pay
the
consultant
and
it's
a
great
plan,
but
we
need
someone
who's
a
live
body
in
City
Hall
to
carry
it
out
or
oversee
it.
I
mean
one
person
is
going
to
carry
it
out,
but
so
I
think
that's
important
for
all
of
us
to
think
about
when
we
make
decisions
about
investing
the
arpa
dollars.
C
Yeah,
so
if
I
couldn't
say
two
points
that
thank
you
for
teasing
that
point
I
so
to
me,
there's
two
different
questions
there,
there's.
If
we're
going
to
invest
kind
of
one-time
funds
and
plans
there
are
that
that
can
be
a
great
idea
and
can
be
transformed
transformative
as
we
think
about
implementing
them.
C
There
is
Staff
time
that
it
takes
to
issue
the
rfps
and
contract
with
the
consultants
and
manage
the
process,
and
all
of
that,
and
that's
really
where
I
hope
that
our
team,
once
we
hear
your
your
ideas,
can
bring
you
back
a
strategic
implementation
plan
of
how
we
would
kind
of
line
that
up
with
existing
staff
resources.
I
think
the
other
thing
the
council
should
think
about.
As
you
think
about
all
these
ideas
is
and
you'll
hear
me
talk
about
this
more
on
Monday
night.
C
Is
the
investment
in
growing
the
tax
capacity
to
do
some
of
these
things
when
you,
when
you
fund
plans
with
one-time
dollars,
that
can
be
a
really
good
idea,
because
they
are
one-time
things,
but
it's
not
building
the
tax
capacity
to
then
do
something
with
the
plans
over
over
time.
So,
as
we
think
about
both
the
use
of
arpa
funds
and
the
fy24
and
fy25
Municipal
budgets,
I
think
thinking
about
how
we
incrementally
grow
tax
capacity.
So
we
have
dollars
available
to
implement
the
community's
vision
and
values
over
time
is
really
important.
A
G
A
G
A
Z
Certainly
like
the
idea
of
investing
in
that
type
of
infrastructure,
but
it
begs
the
question
and
we're
going
to
be
asked
for
spend
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
FY
24
sporting
GMT,
a
50
000
increase
I!
Don't
I,
don't
want
to
use
this
money
for
that,
but
there's
no
restrictions
on
using
it
to
backfill
cost
increase,
correct
Andrew,
correct
yep.
T
That's
it's
it's
a
good
question.
We
we
actually
didn't
do
research
I
mean
I'm,
assuming
when
we
talk
about
federal
dollars.
There
are
specific
funding
opportunities
that
are
posted
by
specific
federal
agencies
and
there's
application
periods
that
we
have
to
hit,
and
things
like
that
so
and
it's
probably
something
that
we
need
to
keep
watching,
because
these
things
come
and
go
right.
There's
there's
a
doe
funding
opportunity
that
I'm
working
on
right
now,
but
we've
got
to
get
the
concept
paper
in
by
December
16th.
T
X
A
H
I
love
the
electric
mower
and
then
on
also
on
the
GMT
thing.
One
thing
that
surfaced
multiple
times,
which
I
now,
where
I
think
we're
at
a
point
where
it's
ripe
for
Action
is
with
the
new
technology,
where
you
can
see
where
the
exactly
the
bus
is,
the
idea
of
an
internal
or
inside
bus
stop,
especially
for
the
bad
weather.
So
it's
partnering
with
local
organizations,
Healthy
Living,
Eli
I
forget
his
last
name.
H
It
was
actually
very
interested
in
doing
this,
but
if
GMT
had
great
flat
screen
panels
dedicated
to
just
showing
where
the
bus
is,
and
it
was
designated
as
an
indoor
bus
stop
where
people
can
wait
in
a
warm
climate,
controlled
environment
as
customers.
That
would
also
get
people
to
find
the
conveniences
of
public
transportation,
I.
Think
of
Dunkin
Donuts
of
gas
stations.
If
it
takes
some
requirement
working
with
them,
making
them
want
to
have
people
waiting
for
the
bus
inside
their
warm
spaces
as
customers,
but
I
think
it's
well
worth
exploring.
H
G
W
G
Vehicle
charging,
half
million
I
mean
that
goes
hand
in
hand
with
affordable
housing
right.
So
if
you
want
people
that
are
going
to
be
in
apartment,
houses
to
be
able
to
have
electric
vehicles,
they're
going
to
need
a
charging
station,
and
so
if
the
city
can
help
incentivize
or
help
if
they're
going
to
be
affordable,
housing
developments,
then
having
money
available
to
assist
the
developer
with
implementing
that
infrastructure
is,
is
really
important.
A
For
those
cheap,
well
sure,
but
I
mean
this
whole
plan
isn't
gonna.
It's
not
like
we're
gonna
fund
these
things
and
then
tomorrow,
35
people
are
gonna,
go
buy
it.
No!
It's
20
26
though,
so
we
have
that
so
we
have
some
time.
Is
it
isn't
there?
Some
federal
dollars
and
programs
for
the
electric
charging
I
mean
there's
a
whole
bunch
that
the
city
I
mean
the
state
did
along.
Z
A
S
Q
S
Thank
you.
Sorry,
I
couldn't
be
there
to
to
be
with
you
tonight,
but
I'm
feeling
a
little
under
the
weather,
but
our
committee
has
talked
pretty
extensively
about
the
use
of
the
arpa
money
and
early
on
pretty
much
had
a
consensus
around
investing
in
child
care
and
that
may
seem
a
little
off
base
for
the
economic
development.
S
But
we
think
that
child
care
is
a
really
key
element
of
recruiting
retaining
businesses
and
employees
and
and
that
can
lead
to
a
better
tax
base
and
a
thriving
economy
and
in
fact,
some
other
parts
of
the
country
like
Washington
DC,
implemented
Universal
preschool
in
2008,
and
and
saw
that
their
labor
force
participation
increased
amongst
the
parents
associated
with
that,
so
I
I
think
the
child
care
can
go
along
with
a
thriving
economy
in
a
in
a
pretty
dramatic
way.
It's
hard
to
see
the
best
way
to
invest
that
money.
S
I
would
encourage
the
council
to
talk
to
some
of
the
existing
child
care
providers
in
town
and
get
their
best
options
to
see
what
they
can
do
to
be
supported.
I
know
they
have
problems
recruiting
retaining
staff.
So
one
idea
we
threw
out
would
be
to
help
assist
with
some
of
that.
My
daughter
runs
the
child
care
center
in
Maine
and
is
always
challenged
to
hire
because
of
the
low
pay
that
they
are
allowed
to
to
offer
due
to
constraints
they
have.
S
Our
second
idea
was
to
consider
maybe
some
kind
of
revolving
Loan
Fund,
as
interest
rates
go
up,
businesses
are
challenged
to
to
make
expansions
and
continue
to
invest
in
their
properties
and
in
their
Workforce,
and
a
revolving
Loan
Fund
could
offer
money
at
a
lower
rate.
Perhaps
a
condition
could
be
put
on
that.
S
It's
matching
some
other
kind
of
funding
like
from
the
Vita
program
or
or
some
other
state
funds,
and
that
kind
of
links
into
the
third
thought
we
had
was
one
of
the
upcoming
challenges
that
businesses
are
facing
is
the
new
storm
water
regulations
related
to
three
acres
and
there's
a
lot
of
challenge
there
for
businesses
to
design
those
systems
and
Implement
those,
and
perhaps
a
revolving
Loan
Fund,
could
be
some
kind
of
assistance
to
those
businesses
to
be
able
to
to
meet
that
guideline.
That's
starting
to
to
press
against
them.
A
But
you
know,
if
you
don't
have
to
pay
rent
or
heat,
then
it
becomes
a
lot
more.
Affordable
and
IT
addresses
an
issue
that
a
business
might
might
resonate
with
them,
especially
if
it
was
a
you
know,
low
interest
loan
that
they
could
as
they
expand,
or
you
know,
reconfigure
their
a
commercial
space
that
they
would
have
room
for
a
child
care
associated
with
their
business.
S
Yeah
I
think
that
should
be
pursued,
but
from
what
I'm
hearing
a
couple
of
the
major
Employers
in
town
here
are
are
looking
at
the
options.
It
seems
like
the
the
model
of
housing.
The
child
care
in
a
business
is
not
as
favorable
these
days
as
as
just
supporting
a
child
care
center
having
the
business
subsidize
in
some
way
or
support
in
any
way
they
possibly
can
to
assist
them.
S
But
there
are,
there
are
legal
issues,
as
you
all
know,
liability
issues
when
you
offer
those
kinds
of
spaces
within
your
business,
I
think
UVM
recently
stopped
doing
their
child
care
and,
and
it
gets
complicated,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
businesses
tend
now
to
support
a
local
Center,
but
not
necessarily
house
it
in
their
facility.
Okay,.
S
A
H
Feel
like
I'm
talking
too
much
tonight,
but
putting
on
a
different
hat.
I
am
planning
to
introduce
a
bill
that
would
actually
give
a
prebate
or
rebate
proportional
to
the
square
footage
used
by
either
a
business
or
a
commercial
real
estate
company,
a
commercial
company
that
rents
to
a
certified
child
care
provider,
and
it
wouldn't
amount
to
a
ton
of
money.
H
But
you
know
three
to
five
thousand
dollars
reduction
if
you're,
using
the
space
for
providing
child
care
for
a
company
that
finds
space
within
their
facility
or
a
commercial
entity
that
repurposes
an
old
video
store
into
child
care.
I
think
it's
worth
exploring,
but
I
need
to
get
some
idea
of
how
much
that
would
actually
cost
to
the
state
budget.
But
wherever
that's
worth.
H
A
AB
And
so
we
need
to
do
something
about
making
sure
that
Park
is
fixed.
I
was
going
through
and
I
hate
to
say
this,
but
my
email,
I
was
cleaning
out
emails
today,
which
go
back
some
of
them
to
2019
and
found
a
found,
a
report
of
when
a
commit
when
part
of
our
committee
went
down
there
with
staff
to
to
Farrell
Street,
and
it
was
in
2019,
and
the
plan
was
we're
going
to
have
water.
AB
They
lived
right
there
who
those
were
the
people
that
used
that
park.
Now
we
replacing
that
with
the
new
park
we
just
opened,
which
is
really
a
destination
Park
people
are
coming
there
they're
driving
there.
The
parking
lot
is
almost
full
every
day,
so
that'll
become
an
issue
soon,
but
we
in
J
in
Farrell
street
is
really
a
neighborhood
dog
park
and
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
how
we're
going
to
make
more
neighborhood
dog
parks
as
the
city
grows.
AB
So
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
that.
We
may
need
in
building
a
network,
that's
Equitable
for
our
community,
but
also
on
a
practical
level.
We
are
Servicing
chittany
County.
Already
with
that
little
dog
park,
I
mean
I,
say
little
with
that
dog
park.
That's
going
to
be
little
when
we
get
20
dogs
in
there.
It's
it's
quite
a
quite
a
experience,
but
anyway.
AB
So
if
we
want
to
think
about
Equity,
we
probably
need
to
look
at
our
city
and
stand
back
and
say:
where
are
we?
Where
are
we
developing
residences
and
we're
going
to
have
lots
and
lots
of
Apartments
soon?
We
already
do
in
certain
areas
of
the
city
and
in
addition
to
dog
parks,
we
have
to
meet
the
sanitation
needs
of
dogs.
If
for
nothing
else,
we
need
to
do
that
and
no
pleiading
is
going
into
that
at
all.
AB
For
what's
going
to
happen
in
these
apartments,
where
you
for
every
100
Apartments,
we
can
expect
40
dogs
so
think
about
how
many
apartments
have
we
built
and
how
many
are
UVM
is
UVM
going
to
build
and
we're
talking
about,
probably
hundreds
of
dogs
that
could
be
potentially
living
in
City,
Center
Market
Street,
and
where
are
they
going
to
be?
You
know
where
are
people
going
to
take
them
to
meet
their
sanitation
needs
and
that's
not
being
thought
of
at
all.
A
AB
Well,
the
land
trust
came
a
few
weeks
ago.
I
remember
Helen,
asking:
what
are
you
gonna?
What
is
are
you
planning
for
the
dogs
that
will
live
there
and
the
response
was
well
there'll,
be
some
green
space
in
there,
but
Green
Space
does
not
address
sanitation
in
a
way
that
we
really
want
it
addressed
so
I
guess
so.
AB
AB
Some
of
this
is
if
we
can
work
with
Planning
and
Zoning
around
some
of
these
issues
and
see
how
we
get
developers
involved
in
supporting
and
possibly
ponying
up
to
help
with
the
costs
of
the
dogs
that
are
going
to
move
in
when
they
right
they
start
selling
their
units
or
renting
their
units,
but
I
think
it's
also
a
culture
ship
that
has
to
be
made.
When
you
think
about
committees,
you
guys
have
talked
about
committees,
you
have
a
committee,
that's
done
a
lot
of
work
and
the
good
part
of
that.
AB
The
best
part
of
that
Park
that
we
have
there
was
designed
by
the
committee.
It's
the
result
of
the
work
of
a
committee.
So
that's
the
other
thing
you
think
about
when
we're.
Looking
at
that
big
number,
there
is
thinking
about
a
strategic
plan
and
paying
for
somebody
to
come
and
work
with
us
on
that
and
I
guess.
Some
of
us
would
say
that
you've
got
a
committee
full
of
people
with
expertise
on
some
of
these
things.
I
just
have
to
share.
AB
We've
got
one
member
who's
gone
for
three
months:
she's
traveling
across
the
country
with
her
rescue
dog
and
her
husband
and
they're,
going
out
to
California
for
three
months
and
they're
mapped
out
their
trip,
basically
on
how
they
can
find
dog
parks
along
the
way
and
and
visit
those
places
they're.
Basically,
they're
traveling
is
based
on
what
they
can
do
around
their
dog.
So
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
any
questions
for
me,
but
any.
B
K
AB
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
ignore
it.
It
sounds
like
a
minimum
minimal.
You
know
not
necessarily
as
important
as
I
said,
glamorous
or
politically
correct
topic,
but
the
reality
is
that
all
of
those
areas
in
our
comprehensive
plan
there
are
things
that
are
relevant
to
dogs
in
there.
But
there
is
no
mention
of
dogs
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
except
for
one
so
and
it
has
to
do
with
licensing,
but
we
have
over
3
500
dogs
living
here.
They
live
in
homes
with
6
000
people.
AB
That's
a
big
chunk
of
our
population
who
feel
that
dogs
are
members
of
their
family,
so
I
think
you
just
want
to
keep
in
mind
who
it
is
how
many,
how
many
of
the
citizens
who
live
here?
Have
you
know,
dogs
as
members
of
the
family,
how
many
people
are
coming
here,
because
now
we
have
a
beautiful
dog
park
that
everybody
wants
to
use.
Z
AB
AB
AB
A
AB
That's
fencing
amenities
you
may
have
to
do
some
work.
I
mean
if
you
think
about
one
of
the
sites
we
had
recommended
three
years
ago,
was
to
build
to
have
a
dog
park
over
in
front
of
Butler
Farms.
It
would
look
very
different
than
the
one
at
Dorset
veterans
are
at
Wheeler
yeah,
because
it's
you
know
in
some
ways
it's
a
simple.
It
seems
like
it
would
be
obviously
easier
to
construct
because
it
doesn't
have
all
those
features.
You
know
to
topographical
features,
but
who
knows
what
it's
going
to
be
underneath?
And
you
know
so.
AB
AB
Then
the
other
idea
would
be
to
put
something
over
on
the
Southeastern
side
of
the
city
or
Southwestern
side
of
the
city,
more
Western
to
put
some
sort
of
park
there,
but
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
creative
ways
for
us
to
do
this
and
look
at
you
know.
Wherever
funding
comes
from
I'll,
let
you
guys
decide
on
those
things,
but
I
think
if,
if
folks
work
with
the
committee,
we
can
come
up
with
some
creative
ways
of
thinking
about
this.
AB
AB
A
A
D
Thank
you
good
evening.
I'm
Java,
lagange
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
bike,
ped
committee
and
a
good
number
of
my
committee
members
are
here
as
well
as
well
as
I
think
Erica
quilland,
if
she's
still
here,
she's
not
been
feeling
well
but
I.
Think
she's
joining
in
and
honestly
I
always
start
my
meetings
with
gratitude,
so
I'm
going
to
do
the
same
thing
here.
I
am
so
grateful
and
I
do
not
have
enough
superlative
adjectives
to
describe
Erica
working
with
her,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
my
committee.
D
D
We
felt
like
this
met
them
the
spirit
of
the
funding
the
best
with
a
little
bit
more
detail.
The
the
neighborhoods
involved
would
be
like
the
O'brien
development.
All
of
the
condominium
complexes
off
Kennedy
Drive
would
be
better
connected.
The
neighborhoods
along
Hinesburg
Road
also,
we've
talked
about
a
green
path.
D
So
we
just
felt
like
that
was
the
best
project
that
we
would
recommend
and
I
feel
like
this
project
in
general
checks
off
a
lot
of
boxes.
The
total
cost
is
1.3
million.
We're
asking
for
one
or
two
hundred
thousand
of
that
and,
as
was
mentioned
earlier
on
I,
think
we'd
be
able
to
leverage
a
lot
more
grants.
D
D
H
H
D
P
Y
AI
A
AI
Yeah
I
was
just
going
to
jump
in
on
the
price
tag.
The
1.3
estimate
it's
based
on
removing
the
five
foot
sidewalk
and
replacing
it
with
10
feet
of
continuous
Asphalt
in
this
section,
but
obviously
that
cost
could
be
reduced.
If
we
took
the
approach
of
what
was
done
on
sections
of
Dorset
Street,
where
we
have
an
existing
sidewalk
and
then
an
additional
paved
section
gets
added
to
it.
E
G
A
A
B
H
A
C
P
D
B
A
F
F
F
This
is
this:
is
a
one-time
dollar
spend
believe
it
or
not?
The
path
to
affordability
report
was
in
2013,
and
so,
as
we
reached
the
end
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
some
of
that
information
is
now
out
of
date.
Think
about
what
South
Burlington
looked
like
10
years
ago
and
what
has
happened
since
that
time.
F
B
F
We've
seen
the
rental
vacancy
rate
at
3.8
percent,
and
now
it's
below
almost
a
half
percent
we've
seen
the
demographics
of
the
city
shift,
and
so
even
looking
over
some
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
we've
seen
that
some
of
the
elements
didn't
speak
to
renter
protections
with
the
the
the
affordable
housing
crisis
in
covid,
we're
finding
lower
occupancy
numbered
people
in
bedrooms,
and
they
want
to
downsize
to
something
smaller
and
how
to
find
it.
So
there's
just
I
think
everyone's
aware
of
some
of
those
needs.
F
What
we're
asking
for
is
you
know
we
kind
of
had
a
conversation
of
well.
Why
the
original
report?
We
don't
need
a
report
just
to
tell
us
that
water
is
wet
right.
We
want,
we
know,
there's
a
housing
crisis.
This
would
give
us
the
data
and
recommendations
to
on
how
to
expand
upon
those
opportunities
on
a
go
forward
basis
at
you
know,
since
the
data
is
from
2013
it's
due
for
Renewal
anyway,
we
said
as
an
opportunity
to
not
utilize
General
funds
and
utilize
one-time
Market
grants
for
that
money.
F
The
hundred
thousand
dollars
was
an
increase.
We're
asking
for
more
of
a
a
Camry
versus
a
Corolla
in
in
the
recommendation.
It
really
the
difference
is
that
opportunities.
Two
examples
would
be.
We.
Some
of
our
members
did
some
great
work
for
a
a
windshield
survey
of
properties
that
are
due
for
redevelopment
or
would
be
good
candidates.
F
This
would
help
us
to
realize
some
opportunities
there
or
you
know
we're
talking
about
tenant
Productions
as
we
are
at
money,
expires
and
there's
some
tension
of
folks
who
will
have
some
anxiety
about
you
know.
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
back
out
into
a
rental
market
and
just
there's
not
a
place
to
get
that.
F
So
this
this
housing
needs
an
assessment
and
opportunity
would
help
guide
the
direction
of
that
we're.
The
group
was
very
motivated
by
the
child
care
Grant
expressed
in
the
survey.
It's
not
an
area
that
we
have
a
clear
direction
of
where
to
go
with
that
money.
You
know
in
the
time
frame
that
we're
allowed.
We
agree
that
it
would
make
sense
for
an
allocation
towards
that.
Perhaps
in
RFP
we
had
such
great
success
with
the
RFP
for
affordable
housing.
F
Have
some
interested
members,
but
there's
not
I,
think
we
talked
about
this
previously,
there's
not
really
a
a
committee.
That's
it
falls
into
so
who
would
you
know?
Is
that
a
task
force,
and
maybe
some
representation
or
you
know
we
just
kind
of
got
into
a
conversation
of
how
do
you?
How
do
you
even
Implement
something
like
that?
But
we
recognize
the
need
so.
F
Edu
grant
program
was
something
that
came
up
more
recently,
there's
been
some
good
progress
in
the
city
of
Montpelier
who,
without
arpa
funds,
kicked
off
an
Ado
pilot
program
so
with
accessory
dwelling
units,
yes,
they're
Allowed
by
right
in
the
city
or
Statewide.
This
grant
program
would
help
build
excitement
by
providing
some
small
grants
to
folks
to
kick
start
that
program
and
really
demonstrate
what
it's.
What
it's
able
to
succeed.
F
F
A
AE
C
V
V
Hi
Andrew,
chalnick
I,
don't
think
the
Planning
Commission
knew
we
were
on
the
agenda,
so
no
one
was
prepared
to
talk,
but
just
to
clarify
the
recommendation.
It
was
to
take
one
third
of
the
gross
funds:
the
5.6
allocated
to
affordable
housing.
Redevelopment
then
one-third
to
open
space
acquisition,
the
remaining
one-third
there
wasn't
a
clear
consensus.
V
I
And
I'm
gonna
just
really
make
it
quick.
This
I'm
Cindy
Freeman
yeah
you're,
probably
getting
used
to
me
I'm,
trying
to
be
a
good
citizen,
so
I
I
just
want
I'm
hearing
one
million
to
child
care
and
yeah
I'm,
not
hearing
really
where
it's
going
like.
Let's
go,
grow,
kids
or
is
it
going
like
John
Burton
mentioned
an
economic
Economic
Development?
Would
it
be
going
to
already
existing
day
care
providers
in
South,
Burlington
or
making
it
more
accessible
to
other
South
Burlington
daycare
providers?
I
The
other
thing
is
I
just
quickly
listening
to
everyone.
Everyone
wants
the
money.
We
all
want
the
money,
but
I
just
would
like
to
say
that
I
think
it
needs
to
be
for
the
majority
of
the
people
it
needs
to
be
for
the
community
of
South
Burlington.
Let's
grow
kids
has
a
huge
asset
there.
They,
if
you
look
at
how
much
money
they
have,
they
have
14
million
and
then
they're
the
biggest
Foundation,
even
like
over
a
hundred
million.
I
They
have
leaders
that
make
that
are
working
in
the
in
that
organization
that
are
making
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
that's
not
even
Dan
Smith.
That's
you
know
he
is
the
the
founder,
so
I
just
think
it
would
be
really
a
disservice
to
South
Burlington
citizens
if
we
gave
it
to
Let's
grow
kids
because
they
already
have
a
ton,
a
ton
of
money.
So
that's
my
my
thing:
okay,.
A
Just
to
answer
you
I,
don't
think
we
have
identified
exactly
where
that
money
will
go.
I
certainly
don't
know.
I
think
we
were
talking.
We
didn't
know
when
we
obligated
a
million
bucks
for
housing,
exactly
what
that
would
look
like
and
we
went
through
a
process,
and
and
so
we
have
some
recommendations
and
some
that
we've
funded
and
some
that
we
will
soon
be
funding.
So
I
think
the
same
thing
needs
to
happen
with
child
care.
A
I
A
I
A
Q
I
I
just
want
to
say,
I'd,
be
willing
to
be
part
of
a
committee
that
or
a
work
group
that
may
be
organized
them
a
meeting
of
people
in
the
field
to
even
talk
about
what
might
be
in
an
RFP
but
I
I,
certainly
don't
Envision
that
anybody
has
any
clear
sense
that
it
would
all
go
to
one
organization
and
so
I.
Just
I
was
really
proud.
Knowing
of
the
struggles
of
child
care
programs
that
there
was
such
a
high
level
of
sensitivity
among
our
community
that
it
came
out.
AC
Q
Q
K
C
Z
G
Z
A
G
G
G
K
G
A
G
G
Z
Z
K
C
C
They
are
they're,
not
actually
very
interested
in
receiving
it
themselves,
but
they
have
run
Grant
programs
that
I
think
would
be
similar
to
what
we
would
receive
if
we
put
out
an
RFP
similar
to
what
we
did
for
affordable
housing.
So
I
think
there
are
some
models
that
they've
built
that
we
could
learn
from
maybe
through
a
work
group
and
develop
our
own
tools
for
and
put
it
out
to
the
marketplace
and
put
a
cast
a
net
out
to
the
marketplace
and
see
what
the
marketplace
came
back
to
us
with.
C
That
was
their
recommendation
and
they
also
recommended
some
combination.
You
know
again:
I
I
put
out
the
million
dollar
numbers,
some
combination
of
not
only
new
capacity
but
also
Workforce
training.
They
said
a
lot
one
of
the
problems
with
some
of
the
other
funds
that
have
come
down
recently
is
that
it's
very
focused
on
new
capacity,
which
means
the
existing
providers,
who
are
really
struggling,
feel
a
little
left
out.
So
how
do
we
Shore
up
the
existing
providers
through?
B
I
A
A
Q
K
Because
they
provide
support
for
parents,
yeah
and
and
I
would
want
us
to
if
we
go
that
route
to
really
look
at
the
Quality
the
level
of
quality,
because
there
are
there's
a
wide
range
having
been
on
that
market
and
gone
and
visited
different,
centers
and
I.
Think
to
you
know
something
that
would
truly
be
a
viable
plan.
You
certainly
don't
want
to
invest
in
in
a
center.
That
would
you
know
close
in
a
matter
of
years,
I
mean
I.
Think
we
really
I
I.
We
have.
It
has
to
be
really
thoughtfully
done.
A
Well,
I
would
suggest
that
we
not
pick
our
top
five,
but
rather
pick
the
ones
you
really
think
makes
sense
and
have
including
the
child
care
thing,
two
million
dollars
to
spend.
Okay,
knowing
that
you
know
there
might
be
ways,
I
mean
you
could
certainly
put
more
in
and
say
and
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
find
grants
or
I
I.
You
know,
I,
don't
know,
okay.
Does
that
make
sense
sort
of?