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From YouTube: Lawyer as Peacemaker - Driving Sustainable Innovation
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Peace Talks - Lawyer as Peacemaker - Driving Sustainable Innovation through Community Service, Environmental Integrity, and Transformational Leadership
From Peace Talks:
Guest Will Dodge, Chair of the Essex Energy Committee and and acting Deputy Partner of DRM Law Firm.
In this episode, we will be speaking with Will Dodge about his service on the Essex Energy Committee for the past seven years. Along the way, we will be exploring how choosing to serve your community in the face of adversity can help to build a vision for the future that is cleaner, healthier, and more sustainable. We will be covering peacebuilding topics, such as transformational leadership, environmental integrity, and the practice of law as a peacemaking tool as we transition into a more sustainable future.
6/2/2023
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A
Too
often
the
media
focuses
exclusively
on
the
violent
and
tumultuous
crises
occurring
daily
around
the
world
and
with
click
bait,
exploiting
negative
social
events
for
the
sake
of
increased
ratings
in
Revenue.
There
are
a
few
incentives
for
media
Outlets
to
focus
on
the
good
that
is
happening
in
the
world
every
day.
A
A
We
plan
to
amplify
their
efforts
and
we
seek
to
develop
a
platform
where
peace,
Builders
all
over
the
state
can
connect
with
each
other
across
social
boundaries
and
Industry
sectors
to
collaborate
for
the
benefit
of
our
Collective
community.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
this
is
peace
talks
and
today
we
are
meeting
with
Will
Dodge.
He
has
served
as
the
chair
of
the
Essex
energy
committee
for
the
last
seven
years
and
is
the
Deputy
managing
partner
of
Dr
of
the
DRM
Law
Firm.
A
A
B
Well
so,
let's
see
so
I
I've
lived
in
Burlington
or
in
the
in
the
in
the
in
Essex
now
for
13
years
and
have
been
in
the
Burlington
area
for
about
23
years.
I
was
born
in
Rutland,
but
I
grew
up
in
Montreal
and
always
found
an
affinity
for
this
place,
as
I
was
passing
through
to
visit.
My
then
girlfriend
now,
wife
of
almost
30
years
on
the
way
to
Williams
College
I
had
a
cousin
who
went
to
UVM,
so
I've
always
loved
this.
This
community
I
feel
like
it
is.
B
B
I
was
actually
studying
at
the
University
of
Texas,
but
I
was
thinking
about
this
place
because
of
its
connection
to
Montreal
and
I've
got
a
lot
of
friends
and
family
in
both
both
places,
Vermont
and
Canada,
and
one
of
the
things
that
always
intrigued
me
about
Vermont
is
how
does
a
state
like
this?
That's
so
devoted
to
the
environment?
B
Yeah
deal
with
things
like
energy
and
Telecommunications,
and
new
technology
and
those
kind
of
parts
of
development
that
are
both
intriguing
to
me
and
and
that
I
like,
but
I
also
recognize
that
there's
a
lot
of
communities
that
you
know
where
it's
not
always
easy
to
get
those
things
permitted
and
and
make
them
work.
So
so
I
started
out
before
I
became
that
got
involved
with
any
type
of
community
involvement.
B
A
B
A
B
B
Great
David's
great
David
is
on
the
energy
Essex
energy
committee
with
us,
but
at
the
time
neither
of
us
were
involved
with
it
and
didn't
really
know
about
it.
But
I
started
looking
around
for
volunteer
positions
and
I
saw
that
there
was
this
thing
called
the
energy
committee
and
I
didn't
really
know
what
the
exactly
what
the
energy
committee
did.
I
looked
up
the
statue
to
see
what
it
says
and
I
looked
up
some
information
put
in
my
name
and
the
next
thing
you
know
I
got
a
letter
saying
you
know.
B
The
funny
part
of
the
story
is
that
you
know
I
I
got
on
to
the
committee
and
I
was
excited
and
I
figured
I'll
just
go
in
once
a
month
and
kind
of
participate,
see
what
I
can
do
and
spread
some
knowledge
so
forth.
But
no
one
contacted
me
and
I
said
well,
what's
what's
going
on?
Where
are
the
meetings?
Where
are
the
agendas
yeah
and
the
select
board
and
for
me?
Well,
there
really
is
none
like
you're
it
would
you
like
to
chair
would.
B
B
It
up
from
scratch,
so
the
first
thing
that
I
did
was
I
started
to
you
know
to
put
out
some
feelers
in
community
and
I
forget
exactly
how
it
happened,
but
I
connected
back
with
David
scoping
with
David,
okay
and
his
wife,
Natalie
Braun.
Both
of
them
are
very
active
in
350
VT
and
have
just
been.
You
know
our
our
super
passionate
activists
on
the
environment
wow
they
wanted
to.
B
B
That,
but
as
we
started
to-
and
so
you
know-
which
is
all
fine-
and
certainly
it's
part
of
our
mission-
and
we
want
to
make
it
work
because
every
time
you
you
know
find
some
benefit
to
reduce
the
municipalities,
costs
or
find
a
source
of
revenue
for
them
like,
for
instance,
you
know
with
solar
you're,
both
let's
say,
helping
the
bottom
line,
but
you're
also
improving
the
environment
yeah.
At
the
same
time,.
A
Yeah
and
so
like
that's
I've,
I've
learned
a
lot
about
that
being
on
the
committee
and
I've
really
appreciated
your
focus
and
emphasis
on
like
Energy,
Efficiency
and
weatherization.
You
know,
prior
to
coming
to
Essex
I
was
very
focused
on
renewable
energy
development,
and
thinking
like
this
is
where,
like
the
big
work
needs
to
happen,
me.
B
A
B
B
A
A
B
Change:
okay,
you
got
really
40
at
least
40
percent
of
it
maybe
more
like
45
of
it
yeah,
it's
all
about
transportation
and
there's
another
40s.
Let's
say
45,
that's
really
all
all
about
weatherization,
just
about
the
inefficiency
thermal
exactly,
but
really
what
that
amounts
to
is
stopping
the
thermal
energy
that
we're
using
from
just
going
out.
B
A
Yeah
I,
like
I
love
that
kind
of
that
that
breakdown
of
that
and
I
want
to
kind
of
maybe
spend
a
little
more
time
with
the
With,
the
Energy
Efficiency,
something
that
I've
been
learning
when
I
while
I
was
there
is
like
you
know,
on
the
one
side
Heating
in
Vermont
is
primarily,
you
know
done
through
gas
or
biofuels
right.
But
you
know
if,
if
we're
talking
about
efficiency,
you
know
it's
it's
a
it's
a
long-term
transition
away
from
those
fuel
sources
for
heating.
A
Until,
like
maybe
geothermal,
you
know,
networks
really
become
more
of
a
standard
within
our
towns
and
cities.
That's
a
lot
of
infrastructure
development.
That's
you
know
long-term
strategy
there,
but
short
term
right
here
right
now.
What
we
can
do
to
reduce
the
the
need
for
those
fuels
is,
is
better
Energy
Efficiency
exactly.
B
And
a
lot
of
that
comes
down
to
heat
pumps,
really
I
mean
it's
so
interesting
because
when
I,
probably
at
the
beginning
of
the
the
tens
like
2010
2013
yeah
heat
pumps,
were
you
know
another
terrible
pun,
but
like
a
pipe
dream.
In
other
words,
that
no
one
actually
thought
that
they
were
going
to
work.
B
So,
for
instance,
you
know
there
I
think
a
lot
of
energy
and
and
time
was
put
into
the
expanding
gas
pipelines
right
right
by
Vermont
gas,
but
now
Vermont
Gas,
you
know,
if
you
go
onto
their
website,
they'll
say
we'll
help
you
install
a
heat
pump
right
and
if
that
isn't
a
major
transition
transition
right
and
I
think
I'd
like
to
think
I.
Think
we
can.
B
A
And
talking
about
that?
Well,
no
and
I
I
think
it's
come
a
long
way
since
you
know
you
started
in
Essex
seven
years
ago
with
just
you
and
you,
you
kind
of
met
with
David
and
and
David
scopa
and
Natalie
Braun
and
all
of
a
sudden.
Now
we've
got
this
kind
of
small
family
getting
started,
and
you
know
how
did
how
did
you?
How
did
you
help
the
town
of
Essex
bring
in
this
kind
of
awareness?
You
know
what
was
the
big
kind
of
Turning
Point
there
yeah.
B
B
Well,
I
would
so
it's
a
great
it's
a
great
question.
I
would
say
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
maybe
I
was
a
little
bit
lucky
with
is
that
at
the
precise
time
that
I'm
trying
to
reconstitute
this
dormant
or
non-existent
energy
committee,
the
legislature
had
paxed
acts,
72
of
2016.
I'm,
forgetting
exactly
the
the
the
right
number,
but
it
was
an.
B
That,
basically,
what
what
those
do
is
they
focus
on
helping
communities
identify
where
are
their
renewable
energy
or
their
potential
for
renewable
energy
resources?
How
much
of
them
need
to
be
developed
in
order
to
ultimately
meet
the
Paris
commitment?
Again,
that's
focusing
more
on
Renewables
right,
the
Paris
Accords,
as
well
as
and
sort
of
similar
types
of
statistics.
For
how
many
cars
do
we
need
to.
A
B
B
A
B
B
A
A
B
B
They
also
regulate
telecommunications,
primarily
the
wire
line,
but
also
they
do
sell,
citing,
which
is
what
I
do
a
lot
of
right
for
wireless.
But
but
a
a
thing
that
distinguishes
Vermont
from
a
lot
of
other
states
is
that
their
the
puc
along
the
way
also
took
responsibility
for
regulating
the
the
Energy
Efficiency
utility,
which.
A
A
B
And
there's
and
and
the
puc
the
Public
Utility
Commission
has
a
combination
of
you
know
what
we
call
quasi-judicial,
or
basically
they
decide
on
specific
cases,
whether
it
be
a
rate
making
case
or
whether
it's
going
to
be
to
build
a
pipeline.
But
then
they
also
do
some
policy
making
and
some
legislative
things
like.
Okay.
How
are
we
going
to
deal
with
the
demand
for
electricity
from
Cars
right.
B
A
B
B
B
B
Exactly
something
happened
exactly
and
I
guess
you
know,
I
took
I
took
a
little
inspiration
frankly
from
some
different
examples.
You
know
both
far
from
being
close
to
me.
So
you
know,
I
was
a
huge
Obama
fan.
I
won't
I
won't
deny
that
but
I
think
the
specific
thing
that
I
liked
so
much
about
his
example
is
someone
who
you
know
was
fair
for
a
period
of
their
life
was
very
devoted
to
their
their
career
and
sort
of
advancing.
A
B
Level
of
building
something
that's
you
know
now
now
his
is
much
more
profound
right,
working
in
Chicago
sure
it
was,
but
it's
still
as
a
principle
of
a
guiding
principle.
I
think
it's
important
to
be
looking
at.
You
know
if
you're,
if
you're,
starting
with
little
bits
and
pieces
well,
don't
just
take
that
for
granted.
Try
to
make
them
work
before
you
throw
up
the
White
Flag.
Well,.
A
And
in
terms
of
you
know,
in
terms
of
community
organizing
and
what
you're
talking
about
with
with
how
Barack
Obama
inspired
you
through
that
path,
you
know
I
I,
think
I've
shared
this
poem
on
this
show
before,
but
I
I
do
like
to
share
it.
It's
a
little
Haiku,
just
five,
seven
five.
You
know
one
drop
ripples,
but
a
thousand
drops
birth,
New
Life.
A
A
Six
months
and
I've
been
really
inspired
by
your
leadership
will
and
your
capacity
to
bring
that
that
Collective
participation
to
the
committee
that
that
we're
in
and
and
you
know,
learning
about
your
story
and
how
you
built
it
up
from
from
scratch.
Like
you
say,
you
know,
that
is
what
we're
talking
about
here.
It's
a
it's
a
type
of
transformational
leadership.
Well,.
B
Yeah
no
I
I
appreciate
that
I
think
the
the
the
other
thing
that
I
I
thought
about
a
lot
is
that
I've
been
very
lucky
in
my
legal
career
to
be.
You
know,
trying
to
involved
in
a
lot
of
projects
that
require
you
to
build
some
bridges
and
to
think
creatively
about
how
to
make
the
best
out
of
you
know
what
sometimes
is
a
terrible.
B
A
A
B
Think
I
think
yes,
that's,
it
is
definitely
peacemaking
and-
and
so
I
drew
a
little
bit
from
that
lesson
in
thinking
when
we
were
all
together
doing
the
you
know
the
the
regional
energy
land
we
sort
of
finished
it,
and
then
we
weren't
together
and
I,
said
and
I
think
I
think
other
people
had
the
same
thought.
Why
don't
we
get
together
to
try
to
do
you
know
if
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
weatherization
every
fall
right?
It's.
A
B
A
B
B
A
A
And,
quite
often,
through
conventional
wisdom,
what
we
think
of
when
we
think
of
the
natural
environment
is,
you
know,
exploitation
until
depletion
right,
that's
the
old
model,
that's
kind
of
what
has
been
happening
for
a
few
centuries.
Now,
unfortunately,
right
you
know,
and
so
what
we're
seeing
with
solar
and
with
these
new
developments
and
weatherization
and
efficiency,
and
and
trying
to
trying
to
change
the
way
we
engage
with
our
environment,
it's
much
more
of
a
generative
process.
Now
exactly.
B
A
B
You
know
when
we
did
the
the
energy
plan
for
assets
and
I
think
this
is
a
lot
of
other
communities
will
will
have
experienced
this
too.
One
of
the
things
that
we
kind
of
realized
is
well
one
of
the
best
best
potential
resources
that
we
all
have
are
parking
lots
because
they
are
the
perfect
place
to
solarize
right
because,
usually
they're
cleared
of
you
know,
there's
no
trees
and
or
anything
nearby.
So
why
not?
B
Why
not
exactly
and
so
I
think
our
energy
plan,
like
many
others,
will
focus
on
some
of
those
areas
and
say
boy.
This
would
be
a
perfect
place
to
put
a
solar
canopy
and,
from
my
perspective,
those
solar
canopies
are
great
on
multiple
levels.
Not
only
are
they,
you
know
generating
electricity,
but
they
create
shade.
They
create
shade
and
honestly,
if
you're
walking
from
your
car
on
a
rainy
day
or
a
really
snowy
slushy
day,
it's.
B
B
To
make
it
a
lot
easier,
we're
lucky
in
Vermont
that
we
have
so
many
pioneers
kind
of
work.
Thinking
about
it's
like
it's
uncommon,
I
feel
like
was
a
real
Pioneer
about
that
they've
been
great
we've
reached
out
to
them
and
have
organized
events
with
them
within
Essex.
You
know,
or
just
co-sponsored
it
like
some
of
their
their
their
son.
You
know
their
sun
run
events,
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
just
back
to
the
point
of
about
Essex
experience.
A
Like
how
else
can
we
use
this
yeah?
How
can
we,
how
can
we
use
our
natural
environment
or
the
environment?
We
have,
in
this
case
a
blacktop
which
doesn't
feel
natural
at
all,
but
how
can
we
convert
that
into
a
space?
That
is
something
new
that
does
rely
on
natural
resources
in
a
way
that
generates
more
than
where
we
were
before
right.
B
Yeah,
that's
so
we
were
to
use
your
Haiku
I
mean
we
were
one
raindrop
in
that
hole
process
of
transforming
that
place,
but
it's
wonderful
to
see
that
it
is
transforming,
and
it's
proof
that
you
know
every
little
bit
of
pushing
that
you
can
do
absolutely
you
know,
for
your
community
is
going
to
have
an
impact
yeah.
You
know
it
doesn't
all
like,
for
instance,
just
to
take
another
example.
B
B
Could
we
make
it
work
yeah
and
we
were,
and
we
benefited
actually
from
the
expertise
of
some
of
the
folks
in
South
Burlington,
who
had
done
their
own
Micro
Hydro
project
right
they'd,
actually
at
least
it
looks
like
theirs
is,
is
actually
working,
but
they
had
a
much
bigger
vertical
drop.
So
they
we
got
lots
of
information
from
them.
A
In
the
future,
yeah
no
I,
and
so
that's
that's
it's
incredible
to
see
that
kind
of
Creative
Energy.
You
know
I
think
we
touched
on
this
like
if
we
were
looking
at
energy.
You
know
25
years
ago
or
or
30
years
ago,
in
comparison
to
like
the
conversation
we're
having
right
now
about
energy.
You
know
I
mean
25
years
ago.
Energy
was
not
a
subject
that
people
wanted
to
talk
about
it.
It
was,
it
was
not.
It
was
old,
it
was
it
was.
A
You
know,
based
on
an
industry,
that's
been
around
for
over
a
century.
Now,
right
and
really
just
it,
it
wasn't
doing
anything
to
benefit
the
planet
other
than
you
know,
creating
an
economy
that
ran
the
world
yeah.
There
are
great
benefits
that
have
come
out
of
the
fossil
fuel
industry,
but
not
in
a
way
that
is
in
alignment
with
nature
and
not
in
a
way
that
I
think
most
of
us
really
want
to
participate.
A
B
B
A
B
Especially
when
you're
11
or
12
years
old,
sure
and
I
have
an
enduring
memory
from
one
of
those
books
that
was
about
you
know
what
is
going
to
happen,
the
future.
What
what?
What?
What?
What
are
cities
going
to
look
like
in
the
future?
And
it
was
a
juxtaposed
picture
and
on
one
side,
you
have
what
the
world
will
look
like
if
we
do
nothing
about
the
environment
and
in
it
it
looked
very
much
like
Blade,
Runner
right.
A
A
B
Not
you
know
that
was
a
dark
future
and
right
next
to
it
on
the
on
the
very
next
page-
and
this
is
to
me,
the
more
inspiring
part
was
the
very
same
location.
People
are
walking.
You
know
without
any
gas
masks
it's
sunny,
but
you
could
also
see
that
all
the
vehicles
were
electric,
that
there
was
green
space
in
the
median
between
the
electric
train
and
the
electric
cars
there.
B
A
A
B
A
B
The
number
of
visitors,
the
mother
of
people
in
the
community
that
come
to
that
event,
we'd
really
like
to
to
see
if
we
can
make
that
work
yeah.
The
other
thing
that,
from
my
perspective,
is
really
miss.
You
know,
aside
from
missing
people
when
I
started
the
energy
or
when
I
came
to
start
to
work
on
the
energy
committee.
The
other
thing
that
was
really
missing
was
funding
right,
money,
money.
B
A
A
B
That
could
also
really
make
a
difference,
and
it's
all
the
more
interesting
in
that
at
least
now.
As
a
result
of
the
separation
between
Essex
town
and
the
City
of
Essex
Junction,
the
town
of
Essex
is
going
to
be
looking
for
new
space
to
build
a
new
building
yeah,
and
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
make
sure
that
that
building
is,
if
it's
not.
B
I
think
I
I
will
say
that
I
think
South
Burlington
did
an
excellent,
a
truly
excellent
job
of
that
yeah,
in
that
you
know
that
Market
Street,
that's
emerging
now,
when
you
look
at
those
buildings
in
comparison
to
the
old
buildings.
Not
only
are
they
aesthetically
nicer,
but
you
can
see
that
there's
sort
of
an
economy
of
scale
that
has
everything
right
together
right
connected
by
bicycle.
A
B
B
A
B
Well,
so
so,
let's
just
say
that
we've
talked
about
that,
but
I
I
do
think
it's
such
a
great
question
and
you
know
the
way
that
I
think
of
it
or
that
what
we
were
talking
about
yesterday
is
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people,
have
terrible
impressions
of
lawyers,
and
that
could
be
for
totally
justified
reasons
right
that
their
only
time
in
their
life
that
they
get
into
a
real
legal
quandary
yeah.
You
know
that
that
they
have
a
they
have
an
awful
experience.
A
B
The
stage
but
I
think
that
if,
if,
if
I
and
and
you
know
my
terrific
colleagues
at
DRM,
when
we
do
our
jobs
right,
we
are
old
and
that's
true,
whether
we're
actually
representing
a
client
or
we're
just
being
active
in
our
community,
which
is
one
of
you,
know
the
values
of
the
firm
and
I
think
values
as
a
vermoner
I.
Think
when
we're
doing
our
job
right,
we
are
creating
peace,
we
are
reducing
or
eliminating
conflict
or
where
we
are
finding
a
way
to
ultimately
achieve
an
equilibrium.
A
Yeah
really
using
those
skills
and
expertise
in
a
way
that
harnesses
future
potential
that
that
takes.
You
know
because
I
mean,
when
you
start
talking
about
the
puc
and
Regional
planning
commissions
and
Municipal,
enhanced
energy
plans
and
all
of
the
stuff
in
between
that
takes
a
lot
of
expertise,
and
you
know
talking
about
like
infrastructure
projects
and
understanding,
zoning
and
regulations
and
having
all
of
that.
As
as
a
part
of
this
conversation,
it
almost
takes
a
lawyer
to
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
carve
a
path
in
that
in
that
direction.
B
Well,
that's
true,
but
I
tell
you
I,
don't
feel
that
our
energy
committee
would
have
the
success
it
does
without
people
like
you
know
like
you
who
are.
You
are
thinking
outside
the
box,
you're
thinking
about
peace,
you're
thinking
about
how
to
bring
all
of
these
forms
of
capital
together
to
actually
make
it
work.
We
have
you
know
Natalie,
Braun
and
David
scopen,
who
are
consummate
activists
and
they're
the
people
that
will
go
up
to
you
on
this
Street,
with
the
pamphlet
with
the
form
and.
B
B
A
B
B
A
Peace
Builders
they
arrived
before
a
conflict
starts
to
develop.
They
are
there
when
the
treaty
is
signed
and
they
stay
long
after
in
order
to
implement
on
that
treaty,
that's
right
right
and
so
like
what?
What
I?
What
I
have
seen
with
your
story
on
with
the
Essex
energy
Community
is
like
you
showed
up
when
nobody
was
there
right
and
and
you
you
have.
A
B
A
Folks
that
can
strike
that
bargain
that
can
make
that
space
and
codify
it
and
ratify
it
and
build
coalitions
right.
We
need
people
like
that,
but
we
also
need
peace
Builders.
Yes,
we
need
folks
that
are
in
the
communities
that
are
doing
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
for
the
past
seven
years
to
really
Advance
this
Mission.
You.
B
B
It's
not
what
you
smell,
but
it's
worth
doing,
and
especially
you
know,
I
think
and
you've
been
around
the
country
and
I've
been
around
the
country
and
around
the
world
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
need
to
cherish
here
is
that
people
do
really
care
about
their
this
community
and
and
how
it
works
and
whether
it's
you
know
has
an
environmental
ethos
that
permeates
everything.
Not
every
place
is
like
that,
and
so
we
got
to
take
advantage
of
that.
The
you
know
doing
so
is
we're.
B
It
is
it's
a
complex:
it's
a
complicated
and
a
complex
wealth
right
all
the
stuff
about
the
puc
and
Max
yeah.
All
of
that.
But
but
it's
it's.
It's
really
important
that
we
do
it
and
I'm
I'm,
very
glad
that
that
you
stepped
up
and
and
came
out
of
your
comfort
zone.
Right,
came
to
a
brand
new
place.
Well,.
B
A
Story,
it
was
similar,
I
was
I
was
actually
my
expertise
is
really
more
in
Economic,
Development
and
I've
had
my
hand
in
some
energy
projects
in
the
past
and
I
care
about
sustainable
development,
Environmental
Conservation
and
there
happened
to
be
a
seat
available
on
the
energy
committee
and
not
on
the
economic
development
community.
So
I
said
okay.
This
is
the.
A
A
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
thank
you
again.
I
really
appreciate
everyone.
That's
stuck
with
us
all
the
way
to
the
end
this
show
peace
talks
was
brought
to
you
by
Community
wealth
development,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
bring
peace
Builders
together
to
create
Collective
impact
for
our
communities
moving
forward.
Next
episode
is
going
to
be
the
finale
of
season.