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A
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
Pittsburgh
City
Council
cablecast
public
hearing
for
Tuesday
October,
1st
2019,
my
name
is
Ashley
Robinson
and
with
us
today
is
Nick
Miller
our
sign
language
interpreter.
The
public
hearing
will
be
on
the
following
legislation:
bill
2019,
1995,
an
ordinance
amending
and
supplementing
the
Pittsburgh
Code
of
Ordinances
title
9
zoning
chapter
915,
environmental
performance
standards,
subsection
915,
0.06,
sustainable
development
for
publicly
publicly
financed
buildings
by
deleting
certain
language
and
adding
a
new
subsection,
915
0.08
titled
sustainable
development
for
city-owned
facilities.
A
B
C
This
public
hearing
of
Pittsburgh
City
Council
for
today
Tuesday
October,
1st
2019,
my
name
is
councilman
Kraus
I'll
be
chairing
this
afternoon's
public
hearing.
I
would
like
to
begin,
though,
with
our
clerk,
which
is
our
tradition,
to
read
the
bill.
The
title
of
the
bill
in
which
we
are
here
to
discuss
so
madam
clerk,
may
we
have
the
purpose
of
bill
1995
bill.
D
1995
ordinance
amending
a
supplement
in
Pittsburgh
Code
of
Ordinances
title
9
zoning,
article
zonin
chapter
915,
environmental
performance
standards,
subsection
9,
1506,
sustainable
development
for
publicly
financed
buildings
by
deleting
certain
language
and
adding
a
new
subsection,
9
1508
title
sustainable
development
for
city-owned
facilities.
Thank.
C
Other
members
may
join
us
momentarily
as
their
schedules
permit.
We
will
move
now
to
testimony
from
registered
speakers.
I.
Ask
that
when
you
come
to
the
microphone
you
begin
by
giving
us
your
name
and
the
neighborhood
in
which
you
reside
for
our
public
record.
Each
speaker
will
be
given
each
registered
speaker
is
given
1
or
3
minutes
to
address
the
council.
C
C
It
does
have
three
minutes
if
you
registered
in
advance
after
we
have
exhausted
the
list
of
registered
speakers,
we
will
open
it
up
for
testimony
for
those
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
speak
but
did
not
register,
and
you
will
be
given
one
minute
to
speak
so
with
that
I
will
begin
with
our
first
registered
speaker
and
that
is
Lucinda
dell
barbara.
I
hope
I
said
that
at
least
close
enough
welcome,
thanks
for
being
here.
E
This
was
proven
by
Rocky
Mountain
Institute
in
a
study
of
2007
for
residential
buildings
and
in
fact,
upfront
costs
for
residential
is
considered
higher
than
commercial
buildings.
In
this
regard,
the
barrier
to
wider,
adopt
the
option
of
Net,
Zero,
residential
or
even
commercial,
is
the
lack
of
incentive
for
the
Builder,
who
is
not
benefiting
of
those
zero
operational
costs
that
the
owner
enjoys
and,
of
course,
this
wouldn't
apply
to
the
city
buildings.
E
Different
states
because
of
different
energy
costs,
different
incentives,
NetZero
ready
buildings
do
breakeven
and
municipalities
are
in
fact
positioned
the
best
position
to
take
this
long
view,
and
then
the
lead
by
example,
help
drive
the
deployment
of
of
these
innovative
technologies
and
achieve
climate
goals.
I
I
also
want
to
quickly
mention
the
city
of
Boston.
Has
a
ten
million
dollar
pilot
across
37
facilities,
using
renewable
stone
trust
fund
to
self-finance
municipal
building
upgrades
by
monetizing
the
future
savings
and
and
such
a
model
can
be
considered
here
for
our
city
as
well.
It's.
C
Great,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here,
I
believe
the
first
Net
Zero
thank
you.
I
believe
the
first
Net
Zero
home
was
built
in
Pittsburgh
I'm,
going
to
say
about
five
years
ago
and
the
development
known
as
the
muse
by
a
developer
named
Ernie
soda,
and
it's
been
wildly
successful.
So,
as
you
come
to
speak
today,
know
that
you
have
a
friend
and
a
supporter
in
me
in
supporting
the
legislation
as
proposed.
We
are
also
joined
by
Councilwoman
Cael.
Smith
may
I
have
our
second
registered
speaker,
Matt
Mahoney
I'm
Matt.
Welcome
thanks
for
coming.
F
Good
afternoon,
members
of
council,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
us
here,
I'm
from
the
neighborhood
of
Greenfield,
which
I
might
add
recently
had
the
maguey
recreation
facility
upgraded
in
zone
5,
so
we're
seeing
the
benefits
of
energy
efficiency,
promote
our
advancing
sustainable
living
and
enhancing
the
quality
quality
of
life
for
the
neighborhoods
in
Pittsburgh.
So
I'm
I
work
with
the
Keystone
energy
efficiency
alliance,
we're
a
Pennsylvania
based
nonprofit
organization,
dedicated
to
strengthening
the
energy
efficiency
industry.
F
So,
since
2007
we've
worked
at
the
forefront
of
advancing
act,
1:29
Pennsylvania's
cornerstone
energy
efficiency
law
and
we
are
consistently
a
voice
at
the
state
on
energy
efficiency
policy
amongst
the
legislature
and
the
Public
Utility
Commission.
Our
65
members
represent
businesses
across
the
Commonwealth
working
in
the
energy
efficiency
industry,
Pennsylvania's,
energy
and
energy
efficiency.
Industry
is
over
68,000
strong
and
grows
each
year
with
professionals
working
as
engineers,
construction,
workers,
manufacturers,
software
developers,
technicians
and
so
on,
and
those
jobs
can
be
found
in
counties
across
the
state.
F
Our
members
work
to
reduce
strain
on
the
electrical
grid,
increase
energy
system,
resilience,
create
jobs
and
save
money
for
electricity
consumers,
so
ordinance
1995
supports
this
growing
energy
efficiency
workforce
and
strengthens
the
long-term
resilience
of
the
city's
infrastructure.
It's
a
positive
step
that
builds
on
the
city's
efforts
to
achieve
forward-thinking,
economic,
environmental
and
social
guidelines
and
goals,
while
demonstrating
a
clear
and
achievable
goal,
or
example,
of
the
benefits
of
energy
efficiency.
Building
Tonetta
zero
energy
standards
is
not
a
simple
feat.
F
Fortunately,
though,
a
maturing
energy
efficiency
industry
is
ready
to
provide
cost-effective,
off-the-shelf
solutions
for
achieving
the
city's
efforts
to
achieve
than
that.
Zero
energy
building
standard
Pittsburgh
already
has
the
largest
2030
district
of
high-performing
buildings
in
the
state
and
the
center
of
sustainable
landscapes
at
Phipps,
conservatory
Fitz
conservatory,
is
one
of
the
greenest
buildings
in
the
world.
Pittsburgh
is
ready
for
the
challenge
to
build
to
achieve
that.
New
standard
Kia
is
also
happy
to
see
the
implementation
of
this.
F
Allegedly,
legislation
will
be
informed
by
the
analytical
proficiency
showcased
in
the
city's
first
annual
municipal
building
benchmarking
report,
which
will
allow
the
city
to
measure
the
impacts
of
energy
efficiency
across
the
city.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
express
Kia's
support
for
this
positive
legislative
step
towards
achieving
high
efficiency
standards
in
the
city
and
to
see
the
city
leading
by
example.
Thank
you.
G
Good
afternoon,
members
of
council
Brandon
Nicholson
I'm
in
Shadyside
I've,
moved
back
to
Pittsburgh
about
six
or
seven
years
ago,
because
my
wife
was
from
here
we
relocated.
We
were
in
Seattle,
doing
high-performance
buildings
and
at
the
time
I
assumed
there
really
wasn't
a
market
here,
I've
been
shocked
to
actually
see
about
how
much
presence
there
actually
has
been
for
NetZero
and
high-performance
buildings
upon
returning
I.
Think
one
of
the
questions
is:
is
the
market
ready?
G
G
A
lot
of
the
practitioners
are
going
outside
of
the
city,
New
York
DC,
Seattle
Vancouver,
because
that's
where
the
incentives
have
been
where
the
type
of
work
has
come
so
as
much
as
Pittsburgh
is
I
think
taking
a
leadership
role
in
this
space
they're,
not
the
first,
they
can
look
to
New
York
or
to
Vancouver
for
help.
I
think
it's
really
good
to
actually
see
the
city
start
to
take
legislation
that
will
hopefully
get
the
government
properties
or
the
the
properties
that
you
control.
G
First
to
start
to
make
the
move
to
Net,
Zero
or
high
performance,
the
other
cities
that
have
done
it
first
New
York
about
three
years
ago,
Vancouver
as
well
then
saw
the
private
market
and
follow
I.
Think
one
of
the
other
bigger
challenges
is:
is
their
cost
parity
and
often
in
the
beginning,
there's
a
bit
of
fear,
and
that
does
show
in
pricing,
but
when
something
like
a
city
or
utility
or
some
incentive
form
tends
to
step
up
and
push
it
in
that
direction
very
quickly.
G
It
turns
out
that
the
building's
actually
cost
the
same
or
slightly
less
to
build.
So
it's
a
really
important
step.
I
think
the
city
is
moving
in
doing
it
with
their
own
facilities
and
real
estate.
They
control
finally,
I
think
moving
away
from
lead,
which
is
really
what
this
is
lead
was
a
checklist
that
really
jump-started
the
green
building
movement.
Those
are
now
mostly
best
practices
and
the
one
thing
that
LEED
missed
was
an
energy
focus
and
the
shift
of
moving
over
to
Nets
are
already
or
high
performance.
G
C
H
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Matt
Young
Klaus
I'm
from
Boulder
Colorado,
which
I
don't
think
is
a
county
in
Pittsburgh
or
a
neighborhood.
Unfortunately,
but
I've
spent
a
good
deal
of
time
here,
the
last
couple
of
months
and
with
Rocky
Mountain,
Institute,
a
non-profit,
think
and
do
tank.
That's
focused
on
the
clean
energy
transition.
We've
been
working
really
closely
with
the
sustainability
and
resilience
team
grant
Ervin's
team
within
the
city,
as
well
as
the
Department
of
Public
Works,
and
we're
incredibly
excited
about
this
legislation.
H
We've
been
working
with
those
teams,
through
the
generous
support
of
the
Heinz
endowments
to
put
together
this
legislation,
as
well
as
some
other
pieces
that
we
think
can
really
move
the
needle
toward
the
city's
sustainable
future.
So
this
is
a
huge
step.
That's
been
built
on
years
and
years
of
really
hard
work
by
Pittsburgh
city
government
and
by
the
green
building
community
I
think,
as
the
other
speakers
have
already
covered,
really
really
well,
so
I
won't
belabor
those
points,
otherwise,
just
to
say
that
Pittsburgh
is
really.
H
You
know
making
a
lot
of
news
in
this
space
and
we'd
really
like
to
see
the
city,
successful
and
I
think
in
order
to
see
this
as
successful.
There
are
a
few
other
things
that
we
need
to
address
to
continue
building
that
momentum
up
instead
of
hitting
a
wall
a
few
years
down
the
line,
just
shy
of
the
2030
commitments
that
the
city
is
made,
I
think
those
fall
into
two
key
areas.
H
One
is
focusing
on
making
investments
based
on
the
lowest
lifecycle
cost,
rather
than
the
lowest
first
cost,
which
right
now
is
the
way
that
a
lot
of
construction
duck
language
and
the
city
code
is
written.
So
the
idea
here
being
with
Lois
lifecycle
cost
is
that
if
you
had
the
choice
of
buying
a
$200,000
home
today,
that
had
significant
needs
to
have
everything
ripped
out
and
replaced
next
year
or
the
option
to
buy
a
$220,000
home
that
had
everything
in
perfect
working
order
and
would
save
you
those
costs,
those
long-term
costs.
H
You
probably
make
second,
that
if
you
had
the
means
and
the
city
is
able
to
do
this
and
would
be
able
to
save
substantial
and
I
mean
tens,
if
not
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
in
the
long
term,
if
they
made
these
higher
investments.
Upfront
recognizing
that
the
city
will
be
in
these
buildings,
10
20,
probably
more
likely
a
hundred
two
hundred
years
down
the
line.
H
So
the
second
is
to
streamline
procurement
practices,
which
I
could
talk
your
ears
off
for
hours
about,
but
the
main
point
there
being
that
there
are
ways
that
we
can
better
leverage
city
staff
by
relying
on
the
private
industry
while
still
protecting
the
city.
You
know
from
from
potential
issues
related
to
procurement,
so
looking
at
things
like
design-build
or
looking
at
streamlined
construction
management
to
address
some
of
those
issues.
H
I
Backin
Road
I
live
in
presto
Pennsylvania
and
thank
you
so
much
for
having
the
hearing
and
letting
us
all
come
and
share
our
experiences.
The
destination
of
zero
energy
is
the
right
destination,
but
the
path
to
getting
there
can
be
comfortable
or
uncomfortable,
based
on
cost
based
on
strategy
and
based
on
experience.
I
I
So
when
you
control
the
environment,
you
can
reduce
your
dependency
on
energy,
but
the
way
a
building
organically
reaches
low
energy
is
about
trying
to
drive
at
first
to
getting
your
envelope
properly
set
before
you
take
on
renewables
and
once
a
building
reaches
its
theoretical
optimum
performance
by
investing
in
the
envelope.
The
use
of
renewables
to
reach
zero
energy
is
theoretically
as
low-cost
as
possible,
but
a
high-performing
building
envelope
doesn't
just
control.
Energy
doesn't
just
manage
energy.
Controlling
the
building
envelope
also
creates
the
path
to
best-in-class,
indoor,
air
quality
and
here's.
I
What's
super
unique
about
Pittsburgh's
interest
in
zero
energy
can
if
we
reduce
energy
consumption
and
the
emissions
that
go
with
that
by
seventy
to
eighty
percent,
while
improving
indoor
air
quality,
the
best-in-class
will
be
leaders
in
Pittsburgh
for
sure
not
many
people
are
understanding
the
connection
between
building
performance
and
the
reduction
of
energy
to
increasing
indoor
air
quality,
passive
houses
to
energy.
What
reset
air
is
to
indoor
air
quality,
and
we
have
one
of
in
fact,
the
only
and
first
reset
certified
Cathedral
in
the
world
in
East
Liberty
Presbyterian
Church.
I
Here
in
Pittsburgh,
it's
rare
to
find
one
initiative:
the
targets,
a
number
of
threads
weaving
together,
the
UN
sustainable
development
goals
by
driving
a
zero
energy
using
building
science
and
physics.
We
can
reduce
fuel
poverty
and
equilibrate
indoor
air
quality
and
maybe,
what's
best
of
all,
have
the
evidence
and
data
to
show
that
we
met
these
goals
during
the
operations
of
a
building.
I
So,
in
summary,
building
strategies
for
low
energy
check,
building
strategies
for
ultra
high
indoor
air
quality
check,
experienced
architects,
MVPs
Commission,
the
agents,
technology
providers
and
groups
like
GBA
check,
smart
building
technology
and
providers.
Here
local
check,
an
approach
that
every
commercial
building
owner
can
afford.
As
Lucy
mentioned,
check,
shortened,
learning
curve
means
less
risk
and
a
quicker
return
on
investment.
So
there's
no
reason
not
to
do
this.
Thank.
C
J
So
I'm
Eric
store
Kuwait's
I'm,
the
director
of
Industry
relations
at
the
Master
Builders
Association
of
western
Pennsylvania
and
I'd
like
to
thank
City
Council
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
and
offer
our
support
for
the
idea
of
building
with
performance
in
mind.
Now
the
MBA
was
founded
in
1886
and
we're
a
member
driven
Association
were
committed
to
the
improvement
of
construction
industry
through
excellent
service
and
Health
and
Safety
government
relations.
Labor
relations,
education
and
training.
Our
membership
accounts
for
more
than
80%
of
the
commercial
construction
projects
built
in
western
Pennsylvania.
J
The
legislation
that
Mayor
Peduto
is
introduced
can
be
a
positive
step
in
the
right
direction
for
our
city,
but
I
encourage
the
city
to
reach
out
to
us,
as
well
as
our
partners
at
AIA
Pittsburgh
and
the
Green
Building
Alliance,
and
many
of
the
folks
that
you've
heard
speak
already
today,
because
we
believe
that
they
would.
You
do
need
to
establish
some
further
guidelines
on
implementing
that
zero
on
city-owned
projects.
The
city's
commitment
to
maintaining
and
enforcing
Net
Zero
best
practices
are
of
equal
importance
to
the
design
and
the
construction
of
the
buildings.
J
It
doesn't
end
with
us,
so
while
we
have
concerns
about
that,
as
well
as
the
potential
inclusion
of
small
renovation
projects
in
this
legislation,
we're
confident
this
is
something
that
can
be
worked
through
conversation
and
possibly
setting
some
minimum
thresholds
on
renovation
projects.
The
one
thing
that
I
can
promise
you
is
that
the
MBA
members
and
our
union
trades
people
are
fully
capable
and
have
the
required
expertise
to
complete
these
types
of
projects
and
recent
local
Net
Zero
projects
completed
by
our
members
include
the
Forest
Hills
Municipal
Building
by
hope
at
construction.
J
The
Frick
Environmental
Center
by
PJ
dick
incorporated
tree
Pittsburgh,
vagenda
Co,
the
center
of
sustainable
for
stained
landscapes,
which
was
just
mentioned
by
Turner
construction
and
the
fifths
exhibit
staging
center
by
massero
corporation.
So
we
have
the
numbers.
We
have
the
unions
that
can
exceed
your
expectations.
I,
don't
want
to
say,
I
want
to
take
that
off.
The
table
is
something
that
you
have
to
worry
about
if
you're
gonna
move
forward-
and
we
do
appreciate
your
time
and
consideration
on
ways-
you
can
increase
the
performance
of
your
buildings
and
may
I
leave
my
comments.
Yes,.
C
Please,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Very
much.
I
should
have
said
this
if
anyone
did
bring
written
comments
and
they
wish
to
leave
them
with
the
clerk
you're
welcome
to
do
so.
Let's
see
next
speaker,
Gary
Moe's
bows
here.
I
said
that
correctly:
no,
how
about
Hal,
Seville,
yep,
okay,
I
he'll,
welcome
Thank.
K
You
greetings
I'm
the
house
aval
I'm,
with
energy
independent
solutions,
the
is
solar
one
of
the
largest
solar
companies
operating
here
in
Western
PA
and,
in
fact,
many
of
the
high
performance
buildings
that
have
been
mentioned
here
today,
like
Frick,
like
Phipps,
have
solar
projects
from
me?
Is
we've
already
looked
at
several
projects
for
the
city's
solar
opportunities,
more
heartened
by
the
sustainability
improvements
that
are
being
proposed.
K
I've
been
reading
a
lot
of
books
lately
about
how
to
manage
climate
crisis,
which,
while
somewhat
scary,
also
point
to
some
huge
growth
opportunities
and
I,
want
to
share
a
couple
observations
that
are
relevant
to
this
legislation.
First
of
all,
we
can't
wait
for
federal
or
state
government
to
create
solutions
to
address
climate
crisis.
Solutions
need
to
come
from
local
government
institutions
and
around
citizenry
and
to
reduce
the
city's
carbon
footprint.
A
lot
of
the
energy
generation.
K
That's
needed
is
going
to
have
to
come
from
solar
because
there
just
isn't
a
lot
of
wind
power
or
other
renewables
available
in
the
within
the
city.
With
sustainable
energy
solution,
life
spans
of
25
to
35
years,
you
as
a
council
will
need
to
find
the
courage
to
make
important
decisions
which
will
impact
the
city
government
long
after
you've
left
office.
You
need
long-term
vision
to
think
beyond
the
next
budgetary
cycle
and
make
capital
investments
that
are
going
to
reduce
operating
expenses
for
decades
to
come.
That's
that's
how
it
works.
K
There
are
several
challenges
to
overcome
in
terms
of
process
improvements
that
will
be
needed
to
speed
the
growth
of
solar
within
the
city,
including
government,
nonprofit
institutions,
commercial
businesses
and
residences,
and
here's
a
couple
of
suggestions.
The
permitting
process
for
solar
needs
to
be
streamlined
to
reduce
approval
times
and
which
delay
construction
schedules
and
add
the
project
costs.
The
new
computer
system
that's
been
implemented,
has
actually
slowed
approvals.
L
C
L
Afternoon
Council,
the
council,
members,
I'm
Angelica,
Sweeney
I,
live
in
Regent
square
and
I
am
replica
representing
Green
Building
Alliance
and
our
position
in
favor
of
the
legislation.
Gba
is
a
nonprofit.
That's
been
working
in
western
Pennsylvania
for
26
years
to
make
every
building
in
community
state
sustainable,
so
every
person
can
thrive.
We
were
fortunate
for
our
strong
partnership
with
the
city
going
back
to
our
collaboration
on
Pittsburgh's
first
climate
action
plan.
L
We
are
thrilled
with
the
recent
acceleration
of
progress
toward
healthy
and
high-performing
places
over
the
last
few
years,
including
Pittsburgh's,
building
benchmarking
legislation,
the
addition
of
performance-based
development
incentives
and
to
zoning
districts
and
centering
neighborhood
plans
on
both
the
eco
districts
framework
and
the
UN
sustainable
development
goals.
The
city
of
Pittsburgh
has
also
recently
committed
all
of
its
120
buildings
to
the
2030
challenge,
calling
for
50%
reductions
in
energy
use,
water
use
and
transportation
emissions
by
2030
for
existing
buildings
in
carbon-neutral
for
new
construction
and
major
renovations.
L
In
order
to
meet
these
transformational
goals
and
the
goals
of
the
third
climate
action
plan,
we
believe
that
the
public
sector
must
adhere
to
the
highest
standards
for
building
renovation
and
construction.
The
city's
high
standards
for
building
performance
will
advance
our
regional
market
creating
healthier
spaces
for
people
while
generating
new,
clean
energy
jobs
based
on
our
work
with
the
Pittsburgh
2030
district
750
plus
buildings.
L
We
know
that
energy-efficient
buildings
also
have
significantly
lower
operating
costs
beyond
initial
energy
savings,
and
this
legislation
will
save
city
taxpayers
significant
significant
money
in
the
long
term,
which
can
be
used
to
support
other
critical
programs
in
order
to
implement
this
legislation
at
full
scale.
Gba
is
ready
to
support
the
city
by
training,
design
and
construction
professionals
in
the
highest
standards,
including
Passivhaus,
lead
and
the
Living
Building
Challenge.
L
In
addition
to
providing
technical
assistance
to
building
owners
and
managers,
GBA
will
continue
to
collect
robust
data
about
building
performance
and
provide
decision-makers
and
residents
with
measurable
results
on
how
to
guide
future
planning
and
policy.
This
legislation
is
a
critical
first
step
in
ensure
healthy
buildings
for
all
Pittsburghers,
but
equally,
there
are
other
key
components
to
sustainability
that
must
be
collectively
addressed.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
the
city
as
they
develop
design
guidelines
for
water
consumption,
stormwater
management,
mobility,
material
selection,
waste
reduction
in
other
essential
features.
L
C
M
M
M
C
M
C
C
B
My
name
is
Craig
Stevenson
I'm,
with
the
Auris
group
I'm
from
Collier
Township.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
to
you
guys
that
this
is
the
right
step.
It's
a
no
regrets.
Move.
Pittsburgh
is
deep
in
resources
for
this
kind
of
effort.
You've
heard
from
a
lot
of
the
resources
already
I
wanted
to
mention
also
that
you
have
two
people,
Brandon
and
I
are
both
board
of
director
members
for
the
North
American
pass
of
Oz
Network
and
I
brought
some
literature
I'd
like
to
leave
here
with
today.
B
This
literature
is
created
by
the
NA
PHN,
a
North
American
pacifist
Network,
and
it
is
the
definition
of
net
zero
that
the
ideas
around
the
strategies
of
how
to
get
there
and
there's
also
resources
in
here
for
communities.
Other
communities
that
are
taking
that
first
step,
that
you
guys
are
doing
right
now
and
the
successes
they
had,
how
they
had
those
successes.
So
it's
a
great
resource
for
lessons,
learn
and
how
to
do
this
and
go
2-0
with
your
building.
So
congratulations.
C
N
However,
we
have
a
lot
of
historic
buildings
I
and
a
lot
of
buildings
that
I
myself
live
in,
as
was
built
in
the
1800s,
so
I
I'm
not
sure
how
that
mixes
with
this
and
and
I
don't
want
to
put
residents
out
of
their
way
when
they're,
when
they
cannot
possibly
do
something
that
might
be
part
of
this
and
I
do
want
to
talk
with
you
and
also
the
building
trades
on
where
there
are
ads.
I
know
there
was.
N
That
that
you
can
do
something
with
that
to
help
it
be
easier,
but
it's
very
hard
if,
if
people
working
example
have
Adam
only
use
it,
as
example,
heavy
equipment-
and
they
do
not
that's
like
their
whole
livelihood-
are
those
pieces.
I
have
the
equipment
that
yeah
and
it
just
don't
turn
them
in
you
know,
in
10
years
they
do
last
quite
a
bit
longer
than
that
so
I
wanna,
you
know
I
some
of
the
other
people.
N
I,
don't
have
a
problem
if
we're
working
into
something
I've
to
work
into
everything
being
green.
What
I
don't
like
is
we
talk,
we're
being
green
and
then,
if
you
look
behind
the
building
right
next
to
us,
you'll
see
the
walkways
that
the
city
has
been
putting
in
that
are
plastic,
its
actual
plastic
and
on
the
packages.
It
says,
a
cause
cancer
if
it
touches
your
skin.
N
So
if
you
say,
don't
use
a
plastic
straw
that
sounds
good,
but
if
you're
putting
a
whole
bunch
of
plastic
straws
right
in
to
the
catch
basins
and
wintertime
when
you're
scraping
a
street
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
difference.
So
we
have
to
look
at
everything
we
can't
just
say
straws
when
the
city
is
now
using
a
material
such
as
that
works
good
in
states
like
Florida,
but
in
states
that
are
winner,
it's
much
much
different,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
coming
down
and
I
hope
someday.