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From YouTube: Our Neighbor's Keeper: Cornell Jones
Description
On this episode of Our Neighbor's Keeper, Josiah Gilliam talks with the Department of Public Safety's Group Violence Intervention Coordinator Cornell Jones.
A
Hello
and
welcome
my
name
is
Josiah
Gilliam
and
I'm.
The
my
brother's
keeper
coordinator
for
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
in
Allegheny,
County,
I
work
in
the
mayor's
office
here
for
Mayor,
Bill,
Peduto
and
I'm
here
with
good
friend,
Reverend
Cornell
Jones,
a
coordinator
for
the
group
violence,
intervention
work
here
in
Pittsburgh
Cornell
thanks
for
joining
me
man
on
man,
it's
an
honor
to
be
here.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time.
B
B
C
You
know
I'm
actually
believe
not
a
lot
of
people
wonder
I
was
born
and
raised
over
in
Overbrook.
Ok,
Overbrook
was
is
sort
of
like
the
South
Hills
area.
A
town
was
blessed
to
have
an
amazing
family
who
was
about
the
community,
my
father,
who
a
lot
of
people
know
is,
and
it
was
what
still
is
and
was
Bronte's
Jones
senior,
which
was
the
founder
of
Urban
II
faction
in
the
POIs,
our
nation,
who
was
in
a
lot
of
ways
I
like
to
say
my
mr.
miyagi.
C
He
was
the
one
who
I
studied
as
a
kid
and
he
would
bring
me
different
places
to
when
he
would
speak
and
talk
about
community
empowerment
and
building
the
communities
and
help
getting
people
to
help
transform
the
community,
and
he
would
bring
me
to
others.
Do
some
different
presentations
and
he
had
always.
You
know,
have
me
hold
on
to
the
business
card,
so
I
could
build
and
people
would
say
you
know
how
can
I
get
a
business
card
for
my
many
and
he
would
send
him
to
me.
C
I
didn't
realize
that
you
know
at
that
time.
I
thought
I
was
like
man.
Why
is
he
making
me
do
this,
but
he
was
relationship
building
at
that
time
and
and
from
that,
I
saw
what
a
positive
example
of
this
type
of
stuff
I
ended
up
connecting
with
amazing
people
who
I'm
still
a
lot
of
them,
I'm
still
connected
to
as
an
adult
and
and
just
had
a
heart
for
the
people
had
a
heart
for
the
people
had
a
heart
for
empowering
people
as
much
as
possible
and
really
that's.
C
A
A
C
A
C
Him
being
around
and,
like
you
know,
a
lot
of
my
father
didn't
have
his
father
around.
He
was
actually
raised
by
his
the
father
figure
that
he
had
was
actually
the
the
roommate,
the
Moorehouse
roommate
of
dr.
King,
which
is
reven
Cornell
Talley,
who,
which
was
a
big
civil
rights
person
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
Up
in.
C
He
was
one
who
my
father
was
one
who
made
sure
that
that
you
know
not
just
the
community
was
applied,
but
his
children
were
empowered.
People
were
at
my
house,
I
friends
that
didn't
have
father
figures.
They
were
at
my
house
all
the
time,
I
thought
to
hang
out
with
me,
but
they
were
pretty
much
sitting
I'm
sitting
with
my
father,
trying
to
get
some
inspiration.
C
So
it's
funny
because
when
he
passed,
they
all
showed
up
at
the
funeral
drove
up
it
drove
him
out
of
town
because
they
said
you
know
my
father
passed
when
your
father
passed.
You
know
he
was
about
building
building
the
village,
empowering
people
werner.
He
really
started
understanding
about
the
power
of
the
dollar.
That's
when
he,
you
know
decided
to
start
the
poise
foundation
and
they
you
know
they
would
have
over.
C
C
It
was
one
of
the
things
where
they
would
bring.
Salads
yeah
is
a
fun
way.
You
know
that
was
their
way
of
contributing.
Everyone
would
be
able
to
have
salad,
but
they
would.
They
would
donate
a
certain
amount
of
money
to
coming
to
this
thing,
and
it
was
those
type
of
things
that
they
would
organize.
He
realized
that
there
was
power
when
we
work
together,
yeah.
A
A
B
A
C
Know
it
sounds
funny,
but
my
father
got
tired
of
begging
for
money
from
other
people
and
he
said
we
could
build
it.
We
can
empower
ourselves
in
our
community,
you
don't
have
to
beg-
and
you
know
we
know
what's
best
for
this
community
and
let's
empower
ourselves
by
putting
our
money
together,
saving
money,
learning
the
power
of
finances
and
learning
the
power
of
self-sufficiency,
and
then,
by
doing
that,
we
could
really
be
the
transfer
transformers
that
we've
been
called
to
be
I.
Just.
A
Had
a
meeting
yesterday
with
a
community
leader
in
alarm
er,
and
he
was
talking
about
the
programmatic
landscape
out
there
and
in
the
city
in
general,
he
talked
about
the
shift
away
from
youth
programming,
but
your
father
invested
in
youth
programming.
Rather,
notably,
can
you
talk
about
about
that
and
and
what
it
looked
like
back
in
the
day,
I.
C
C
And
sisters
of
the
community
went
through
that
program.
That
was
their
first
job.
That
was
the
first
job,
that's
where
they
learned
the
art
of
wearing
a
shirt
and
tired
of
work.
They
were
teenagers
wearing
a
shirt
and
Tyler
work.
You
know
getting
to
work
on
time,
learning
a
resume.
He
would
bring
in
not
just
black
but
all
different
cultures
of
people
who
would
come
and
talk
to
the
kids
about
what
they
did.
C
So
we
would
be
able
to
build
relationships
with
people
that
a
lot
of
times
we
want
to
be
able
to,
and
normally
get
to
I'm
talking
about
CEOs
presidents
of
major
corporations
that
were
coming
to
talk
to
the
students
and
a
lot
of
times.
We
would
find
out
what
we
wanted
to
be.
You
know
we
would
want
to
what
we
want
to
want
to
be
and
why
and
be
able
to
walk
and
sit
with
that
person
at
their
place
of
employment,
and
you
know
they
would
actually
give
us
paid
internships.
C
Now
it
was
a
big
money,
but
it
was.
It
was
something
to
be
able
to
be
an
intern
at
different
places
like
PNC
Bank.
You
know
places
like
that.
I
remember,
throwing
my
shirt
and
tie
and
walk
up
in
PNC
Bank
like
I
was
a
man.
You
know
I
mean
I
was
only
making
like
$2
an
hour
because
it
was
a
stipend,
but
my
self-esteem
was
strong.
Yeah.
B
C
A
C
C
Once
again
my
dad
was
about
empowerment
and
because
of
me
watching
him
so
much
you
know,
I
knew
you
know
a
lot
of
people
thought
I
would
go
the
route
of
the
financial
piece,
and
that
might
be
something
that
might
be
in
the
future
to
be
able
to
do
some
financial
empowerment,
which
is
something
that's
dear
to
my
heart
too,
but
I
saw
my
role
was
dealing
with.
You
know:
I'm,
tired
of
seeing
people
die.
You
know,
I
mean
I'm
tired
of
P&C.
Seeing
people
die,
what
could
I
do?
What
could
we
do?
C
A
B
A
C
B
C
Was
the
freedom
fighter
who
was
fighting
and
organizing
us
to
be
able
to
to
make
change
to
make
change
so
the
you
know.
That
was
something
that
you
know
through
the
mentoring.
Still
my
father,
other
community
leaders
from
all
over
the
city,
you
know
being
around
solid
people.
You
know
I
found
my
Lane
I
found
my
lane
I
caught
myself.
You
know
just
walk,
you
know
putting
out
fires,
putting
out
when
I
say
put
out
fires
I'm
talking
about
breaking
up
fights
all
the
time,
and
this
is
just
me
being
a
teenager.
C
Trying
to
this
is,
and
I
grew
up
in
a
gang
area.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
trying
to
stop
people
from
doing
things
that
will
get
them
incarcerated
and
that's
why
people
started
calling
me
Martin.
You
know
what
I
mean,
because
I
was
doing
those
type
of
things
because
I
cared
and
my
biggest
thing
was:
why
am
I
just
don't
know?
Why
don't
we
do
this?
C
You
know
what
I
mean
the
direction
that
we're
developing.
These
are
conversations
that
we
had
what,
if
we
could
do
this
and
now
that
I'm
in
this
position
now
people
are
like
hey,
let's
get
it:
let's
do
it,
let's
work
together
and
they're,
not
even
asking
for
money.
They're
like
listen.
Let's,
you
know,
let's
use
the
resources
that
I've
developed
through
the
years
and
and
and
I'm
a
big
person
as
we
pull
these
resources
together.
C
A
C
Yeah,
my
faith
is,
you
know,
I'm
one
of
the
people
that
don't
look
I
believe
you
know
you
know
I'm
not
used
to
being
able
to
share
this,
but
you
know
scripture
talks
about
when
we
walk
by
faith
and
not
by
sight
so
I'm
not
looking
at
this
situation,
I'm
looking
at
the
the
one
who
can
who
could
overcome
this
situation
and
so
I'm,
focusing
on
that
and
being
able
to
see
that
people
have
a
purpose
in
their
in
their
creation.
They're,
not
just
they're,
not
brought
to
earth
to
shoot
each
other.
C
B
C
Thing
is
to
be
able
to
help
people
find
their
purpose,
and
you
know
when
I
citta
twill
not
worked
at
the
prison
which
you're
in
I
worked
there
for
ten
years
in
the
old
sei,
Pittsburgh
old,
western
penitentiary.
You
know,
one
of
the
first
things
I
would
do.
Is
I'd
find
that
one
thing
that
that
would
make
somebody
smile
the
one
and
when
they
started
smiling,
if
they're
talking
about
you
know
when
they
were
in
carpentry
when
they
were
talking
about
their
children
or
something
like
that.
We'll
talk
about
that
even
more.
C
You
know
some
people
would
start
talking
about.
Don't
community
working
with
they
started
talking
about
community
work,
I'm
like
okay,
that's
the
lane
that
we're
gonna
keep
talking
about
right
there,
because
I
see
them
starting
to
be
empowered
from
there
and
now.
The
good
thing
is,
you
know,
being
able
to
direct
people
to
to
resources
now
that
I
would
then
direct
them
to
people
who
would
that
they
could
write
like
such
as
mad
dads.
You
know
what
I
mean
people
like
that
that
they
can
connect
with.
C
That
will
also
be
a
resource
for
them
just
finding
ways
to
help
people
feel
empowered
and
excited
about
life
and
I'm
excited
about
being
able
to
write
a
Josiah.
You
know
what
I
mean
to
be
able
to
able
to
write
people
I'm
talking
about
the
people
who
are
incarcerated.
You
know
that
keeps
them
focusing
on
empowerment,
type
stuff
versus
the
negative
things
that
are
in
their
lives.
C
You
know
it's
amazing
I
was
I
learned
so
much
from
working
with
the
people
who
a
lot
of
times,
people
kick
to
the
curb
and
we're
afraid
of
the
most,
but
those
are
the
ones
who
taught
me
to
be
more
effective,
even
in
the
streets
that
I
deal
with
right
now.
Well,
as,
for
instance,
the
lifers,
the
lifers
were
probably
at
sei
Pittsburgh,
we're
probably
the
the
ones
who
taught
me
how
to
be
the
most
effective.
You
know
you
know
because
I
the
pastor
we
would
actually
do.
C
C
What
I
made
the
crowd
the
media,
so
they
would
present
this
message.
The
media
would
be
there
so
and
or
what
the
media
would
do
was
they
would
ask
him
questions,
so
they
would
learn
how
to
answer
questions,
how
to
keep
them
self
disciplined
to
be
able
to
answer
the
questions
so
that
they
were
professional
enough
to
discipline
himself
on
how
to
be
confident
on
what
they
believed
in
and
also
to
be
able
to
share
information
so
that
we
could
actually
all
learn
about
strategies
that
they
helped
transform
the
communities.
C
A
C
Yeah
yeah,
it
was
interaction.
What
what
and
this
is
you
know
a
lot
of
them
knew
that
they
weren't
going
anywhere.
So
what
we
started
to
do
was
there
were
some
young
people
who
would
come
into
the
institution
that
were
known
shooters
that
were
known.
You
know
this
is
someone
who
was
going
out
who
was
known
to
terrorize
the
community.
So
what
I
would
do?
C
So
they
can
understand
that
okay,
instead
of
looking
at
this,
is
a
car
Serratia.
Not
right.
Now.
Look:
let's
look
at
this
as
a
time
away
to
get
yourself
right.
So
when
you
do
get
that
chance,
because
you're
gonna
get
that
chance
again
to
go
back
out,
you're
going
back
out
as
a
citizen,
who's
ready
to
be
able
to
be
focused
on
family
focus
on
a
good
good
job.
There
you'll
have
more
direction
and
a
lot
of
times
that
lifer,
who,
who
everyone
gave
up
on,
was
that
one
who
who
would
plant
those
seeds
and.
B
C
C
Man,
I
loved
it
and
I
loved
it,
and
that
really
was
that
helps
me
to
be
effective
even
out
ahead
stay
you
know,
I
mean
when
I'm
going
through
the
different
communities.
People,
like
you
know,
that's
Reb,
he's
good
like
what
do
you
need?
How
could
we
help
you
to
be
effective?
You
know
I
mean
so
I
think
out
for
the
groundwork
that
was
put
even
before
I
came
in
this
position
and
then
even
you
know,
I'm
the
middle
person
between
law
enforcement
outreach.
C
So
you
know
I've
worked
because
I
worked
in
this
in
in
in
the
corrections
for
the
ten
years.
I
know
how
to
deal
with
both
the
law
enforcement
side
and
the
outreach
street
side.
So
those
are
two
different
worlds
and
to
be
able
to
put
those
together,
because
you
need
both
sides
to
be
able
to
counteract
the
stuff
that's
going
on
in
the
communities.
It's
been
a
blessing,
it's
been
a
huge
blessing
and
I've
learned
a
lot
and
you
know
not
to
be
free
too,
but
it's
been
god
ordained.
A
So
you
met
people,
talk
a
lot
about
this
idea
of
social
capital
and
the
value
that
people
that
people
bring
or
don't
bring
right
or
don't
have,
and
and
yet
what
I
hear
you
saying
is
that
there's
tremendous
value
in
in
these
people,
these
lifer,
so
to
speak,
that
people
might
not
associate
with
having
wisdom
to
give
quite
frankly,
but
then
they
are
planting
seeds.
They.
A
C
About
and
I've
been
cut
off
at
different
shows
when
I
when
I
talk
about
that
they're
like.
Why
would
you
talk
about
that?
I
was
like
it's
it's
the
truth.
You
know
yeah,
it's
even
I
believe
in
the
the
transformation
that
you
know
all
of
us
can
change
and
if
I
didn't
believe
in
that
I
wouldn't
be
going
out
there.
C
Dealing
with
these
streets,
like
I,
am
right
now,
I
believe
in
when
I'm
dealing
with
someone
who's
a
known
shooter
and
you
and
I'm
going
to
that
person's
house
I'm,
believing
that
this
person
will
change
once
we
give
them
support
and
we're.
You
know,
because
I'm,
a
faith-based
person
praying
and
making
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
that
we
can.
You
know
this
person
when
they're
ready.
They
can't
do
it,
they
can't
do
it,
but
they
have
to
believe
in
it
themselves,
but
they
have
to
believe
they
also
have
purpose
and.
B
C
You
know
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
that
they
see
that
they
actually
have
purpose
and
being
able
to
bring
in
what
I
call
the
oh
jeez
the
people
who
are
the
old
school.
You
know
old,
school
gangsters,
people
who
have
lived
that
life.
You
know
bringing
in
the
people
who
have
what
I
call
the
x-factor
who
used
to
be
xed,
something
you
know
I
mean
let
them
see
it
see
an
example
of
that
person
because
they're
like
well,
you
all
know
revenue
ain't,
never
been
locked
up.
C
I
was
like
no
I
haven't,
but
let
me
introduce
you
to
you
know
some
of
the
right
here.
Someone
with
that
x-factor.
You
know
what
I
mean
who
who
could
talk
this
situation?
In
fact,
someone
that
you
respect
right.
You
know
what
I
mean
because
of
what
they
used
to
do,
but
I'm
going
to
show
you
what
they
do
now.
C
Let
me
show
you
what
they
do
now
so
surrounding
yourself
around
key
individuals
who
have
made
change,
who
are
serious
about
making
change,
but
letting
people
see
that
you
know
that
they
can
do
it
that
you
could
do
it.
You
know
what
I
mean
I'm
actually
meeting
with
about
from
about
40
people,
who've
been
out
of
incarceration
now
for
a
while
this
this
Sunday
they
they
call
me
because
they
want
me
to
mix.
C
You
know
the
me
anyone
to
tell
me
pastor
I'm
doing
well,
you
know
I
mean
they're
they're,
all
gonna
come
together
and
break
bread.
They
don't
have
to
call
me
but
they're,
coming
together
together
to
motivate
each
other
now.
These
is
P,
X,
gangsters,
pimps
and
stuff,
like
that,
that's
the
x-factor
once
again,
but
these
are
people
who
have
I
call
them
and
we
need
to
go
up
in
our
community.
You
know,
there's
still
have
the
credibility.
C
A
C
C
B
C
Strategic
strategies
to
be
able
to
catch
the
people
you
normally
won't
even
step
foot
in
the
church.
You
know
I
mean
that
was
my
strategy
with
that,
so
outreach
was
I've,
always
had
those
people
around
me
and
we'd.
Always
you
know,
I
was
doing
outreach
for
free
forever.
You
know
the
mean
is
just
because
it
was
part
of
me.
You
know
I
mean
to
me
there's
one.
Even
outreach
was
just
ministry,
it
was
life.
This
was
purpose
so
that
wasn't
anything
new.
C
You
know
so
I
was
still
working
in
the
prison,
but
on
when
I
would
go
afterwards.
I
was
still
like:
I'd
go
up
to
shoe
and
teach
trauma,
classes,
listen
I
reach
with
the
kids
up
there
and
I
would
be
in
the
mix
of
different
things
in
the
streets
I'm
still
back
even
back,
then
I
was
the
emergency
guy.
Anything
was
about
to
jump
off.
My
phone
was
blowing
up,
you
know,
I
mean,
which
is
exactly
the
same
way
right
now.
So
this
is
I
really
feel
like.
C
There
was
a
lot
of
preparation
for
this
type
of
stuff.
You
know
you
know.
I
was
one
of
the
people
who
were
like
the
I
was
in
a
when
they
did
a
gang
truce
back
in
the
90s,
when
the
gang
peace
council
and
stuff
like
that,
I
was
the
little
kid
that
was
like
I'm
amazed
by
this.
How
could
I
be
in
the
mix?
Can
I
just
sit
in
a
room?
C
You're
gonna
mean
and
just
be
able
to
help
out
and
but
like
watching
that
type
of
stuff
I've
seen
amazing
people
through
the
years
that
have
been
doing
this
work
and
I've
been
blessed
to
sit
at
the
feet
of
just
warriors
and
Street
warriors
people
who
love
the
community
on
a
local
and
now
national
level.
You
know
I
mean
that's
the
amazing
thing
you
know
being
it
at
tables,
and
you
know
talking
about
so
many
different
strategies
that
we
do.
C
What
I
also
found
out
is
that
stuff
that
we're
doing
and
Pittsburgh
to
me
is
the
head
of
the
head
of
the
game.
You
know
I
mean,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
People
were
sharing
stuff
in
there
and
and
I
start
sharing
some
of
the
strategies
that
we're
doing
in
Pittsburgh
and
they're
like
oh
they're,
amazed
and
I'm.
Like
man,
you
know
weeks
a
lot
of
times
because
we're
from
here
we
we
sleep
ourselves,
you
know
I
mean
we
look
we're
like
it's.
Okay,
we
don't
know
we're
doing
some
amazing
work.
C
We
have
amazing
people
that
are
coming
together.
You
know,
I
have
everyone
from
mothers
that
have
lost
loved
ones.
Working
with
us,
I
got
coaches,
I
got
cheerleading
moms,
you
know,
I
got
pastors,
I
got
clergy,
you
know
what
I
mean
I
got
just
you
know
people
who
are
finding
their
lane
in
its
piece
and
that's
the
good
thing
about
you
know
being
in
this
for
a
while
I'm.
Not
these
are
a
lot
of
new
relationships.
C
C
C
Is
when,
when
things
get
extremely
intense-
and
we
know
that
someone
might
be
the
next
shooter,
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
go
to
that
person's
house.
They're
not
there
to
get
arrested,
but
we're
there
to
really
just
talk
them
down
and
say:
hey
man.
We
know
who
you
are
know
what
you're
doing
we're
coming,
because
we
care
about
you.
In
fact,
I
usually
say
because
I
love
you,
you
know
I'm
saying
in
with
us
or
someone
who's,
a
mother
who
lost
a
loved
one.
C
We
usually
have
a
law
enforcement
person,
an
outreach
person
and
sometimes
someone
from
the
faith
community
and
we're
coming
as
the
village
saying
we
need
you
to
stop.
We
need
you
to
stop
we're
willing
to
give
you
the
resources,
we're
willing
to
walk
with
you
through
this
process
and
we're
willing
to
give
you
every
bit
of
support
that
we
have
through
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
So.
C
B
C
Gonna
hurt
somebody
who's,
gonna,
hurt
somebody
else
and
in
by
going
to
that
house
coming
to
them
as
the
village
we're
usually
talking
to
the
parents,
we're
usually
talking
to
you
know
whoever's
at
that
house.
We
didn't
it's
almost
like
an
intervention.
We've
sat
down
at
the
table
and
had
grandmother's
crying
with
us
and
everything
and
people
in
people
saying
you
know
what
all
right
I'm
ready
to
make
change.
C
You
know
the
book
we've
also
had
you
know
people
who
were
the
main
shooters
that
are
like
look
I'm
tired
of
this
life
and
I'm,
ready
to
I'm,
ready
to
move
on
and
they'll
still
contact
us
and
talk
to
us
on
a
regular
basis.
It's
something
that's
extremely
intense,
but
I.
Remember
when
one
of
the
mothers
who
lost
a
loved
one
in
the
past
who's
working
with
us
told
me
she
said
when
I
started
going.
This
I
found
my
purpose.
She
said
I
found
my
purpose:
I
went
from
being
one
who
was
you
know?
C
What
do
we
need
to
do?
You
know
don't
press
conferences
and
stuff
like
that
she
said,
but
this
is
the
action
that
I've
been
looking
for.
So
finding
their
lane
and
that
excitement
and
that
that
joy,
that
she
has
from
doing
this
type
of
stuff
has
really
helped
her
save
lives
because
she's
brought
in
other
mothers.
You
know
what
I
mean
who
who
are
excited
about
trying
to
help
out
right
now
they
see
that
the
goal
isn't
to
arrest
people.
C
The
goal
is
to
be
able
to
help
people
to
be
able
to
stop
them
before
they're
getting
arrested.
In
fact,
if
people
get
arrested,
when
we're
doing
this
type
of
stuff
people
get
arrested,
the
people
dialing,
then
we
didn't
do
our
job.
The
goal
is
to
be
able
to
stop
stuff.
Before
it
happens,
do
you
think
everyone
has
a
purpose.
A
B
B
A
C
It's
totally
aligned
with
public
health,
framing
yeah,
okay,
yeah,
you
know
it's
just
well,
just
the
and
I
don't
mean
to
jump
in,
but
I'm
thinking
about
just
the
blessing
of
me
working
in
the
prison
system
and
everything
and
knowing
that
so
when
people
have
had
get
arrested,
what
we've
done
is
because
of
my
relationship
with
the
with
the
prison
system
and
in
the
county
system
and
all
that
type
of
stuff
we've
actually
gone
to
them.
While
they're
already
arrested,
they
didn't
listen
to
what
we
said.
C
We
gone
to
them
to
say:
hey
we're
still
want
to
work
with
you.
We
didn't
give
up
on
you.
Yes,
that's
the
difference.
Yes,
a
lot
of
times.
People
think
that
once
they're
locked
up
it's
over
now
we've
gone
into
the
we've
worked
with
the
county
and
they've
gone
and
say:
hey
we're
still
here
for
you.
When
you
come
out,
we
want
to
have
some
stuff
lined
up
with
you.
So
can
you
continue?
C
C
Them
to
a
piece
of
the
village
so
that
they
could
actually
go
and
get
the
resources
in
connection,
so
they're
not
walking
out
there
to
the
to
the
war
zone,
they're
walking
out
to
the
people
who
are
saying
it's
like
some
prodigal,
father,
prodigal,
son
type
stuff,
you
know
I
mean,
but
where
they're
saying
we
love
you
and
we
want
to
cherish
you
willing
to
give
you
support.
You.
B
C
Which
is
a
lot
of
times,
which
is
what
they
weren't
getting,
but
having
that
connection
be
working
in
it
in
the
prison
system,
I
mean
but
go
to
the
juvenile
detention
centers
I'm
able
to
go
to
all
these
different
places.
There's
not
a
place
in
the
city
that
I
can't
get
in
to
be
able
to
go
and
work
with
these
people.
The
young
people,
though
young
geniuses
that
were
blessed
to
be
able
to
work
with
yeah.
A
C
A
Wanted
to
talk
real
quickly
about
just
draw
a
quick
thread.
You
mentioned
your
desire
to
get
into
the
mix
you
mentioned,
bringing
the
village
to
some
of
these
custom
notifications.
These
are
intense
scenarios.
These
are
intense
situations,
and
you
mentioned
this
idea
of
the
lifers
not
having
any
fear,
and
yet
it
sounds
like
if
you
are
in
the
mix,
there
might
be
a
lot
of
things
to
be
afraid
of.
A
C
One
thing
I
learned
is
I'm,
never
gonna
force
anybody
to
do
anything.
So
this
has
to
be
part
of
what
you
feel
like
God
is
calling
you
to
do
so
it's
it's.
It's
a
dangerous,
extremely
dangerous,
but
we
make
sure
we
do
serious
training
before
anything.
You
know
before
everything
that
we
do.
There's
a
lot
of
training.
There's
a
we
do
a
briefing
before
word,
there's
a
debriefing
afterwards.
We
make
sure
that
there's
security,
there's
police
presence
far
enough
away
just
in
case
something
does
happen.
So
this
is
a
you
know.
C
The
national
initiative
for
justice,
which
is
the
David
Kennedy.
He
put
together
a
really
good
strategy
to
make
sure
that
their
safety
and
you
know
being
able
to
have
the
elements
of
you,
know:
people
who
know
security,
people
who
know
order
when
we
go
and
deal
with
these
situations.
It's
we're
making
sure
that
everyone's
protected
everybody.
The
goal
is
everybody's
going
home.
You
know,
I
mean
everybody's
going
home.
We're
gonna
make
sure
to
pass
this
message,
but
I
also
want
people
to
go
home
and
and
get
you
know
back
to
their
families.
So.
B
C
A
C
A
A
C
C
Has
a
lane,
you
know
a
lot
of
times
people
like
well.
How
can
I
get
involved
them?
I'm
older?
Well,
let's
find
out
what
your
passion
is.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
people
I'm
working
with
that.
Don't
have
that
are
like
you
know:
I
don't
have
the
GED
classes,
they
want
some
type
of
program
or
things
like
that.
I've
got
former
teachers
that
you
know
that
are
retired
like
I.
What
can
I
do?
I'm
like
man,
you
don't
realize
that's
violence,
prevention,
you
helping
them
get
to.
A
C
Able
they
dropped
out
at
school
and
they're,
not
going
back,
but
it
we
need
somebody
to
help
them
out
with
that.
I
got
one
lady
that
came
to
me
at
a
meeting
and
she
said,
and
we've
worked
together
extremely
like
a
lot.
She
came
to
meet
a
meeting.
She's
I,
don't
know
anything
about
the
streets,
but
I
have
a
tattoo
removal
company.
C
So
anybody
in
your
program
who
needs
a
gang
tattoo
removed
I'll,
do
it
for
free
I,
said
man,
that's
violence,
prevention
at
its
best
I
said
because
the
that
right
there
will
help
somebody
self-esteem
feel
better.
So
they
could
go
and
get
a
job
a
lot
of
times.
People
get
these
gel
tattoos
and
get
stuff
trying
to
look
cool,
but
you
know
that
was
when
they
were
a
little
younger
and
now
they're
grown
and
they
got
thug
life
tattooed
on
their
neck
or
on
their
forehead.
C
You
know
what
I
mean
and
they're
trying
to
get
a
legitimate
job
and
they
can't
like
be
a
barrier
to
might
be
a
barrier
so
we're
trying
to
get
that
support
and
we've
walked
people
in
there
and
she's
helped
him
get
that
I
got
a
guy
who
cried
on
the
phone
because
he
didn't
believe
me
he's.
You
know
whole
bunch
of
tattoos,
all
up
on
his
I
look
upon
his
head
and
he's
like
I
thought
you
were
gonna.
Spend
me
I
thought
you
gonna
play
me.
C
A
A
And
you
I
love
this
idea
too.
I
think
it's
important
to
underscore
that
you're
equipping
people
for
the
Johnson
you
you
work
with
them,
where
they're
at
mm-hmm
to
figure
out
what
they
might
be
passionate
about,
what
lane
they
can
fulfill,
but
then
their
supports
for
them
to
be
up
skill
to
be
trained,
and
these
are
when
you're
doing
the
trainings
with
these
folks
and
you're
working
with
law
enforcement,
you're
working
with
community
leaders,
etc.
A
C
Okay,
definitely
and
we're
also
making
sure
that
the
people
who
are
doing
it
we're
taking
care
making
sure
that
they're
they're
healing
through
the
process
and
not
because
this
is
this-
is
one
of
those
situations
or
this
there's
so
much
trauma
that
you
deal
with
yes
and
trauma
that
you
see.
We
got
to
make
sure
that
the
people
are
healthy.
Yes,
I'm,
some
of
the
people
that
are
the
first
responders
that
are
going
out
there
dealing
with
these
streets
yeah
are
healthy
because
we
need
them.
B
C
You
know
from
working
in
all
these
different
areas
where
people
are
hurting
yeah.
You
know
I've
seen
a
lot
of
people
who
are
incarcerated,
who
who
ended
up
killing
people
like
why'd?
You
kill
him,
you
know
they
don't
understand
it.
That
person
looked
like
the
person
who
who
sexually
assaulted
them.
You
know
I
mean
there.
Is
there
they
there's
so
much
that
people
have
gone
through
our
talk
about.
You
see
this
big
snowball
right
here,
but
you
didn't
realize
that
it
was
a
small
snowball
back
here.
C
C
Is
she
a
lot
of
that
sad
numbing
people
are
numbing
issues
that
they've
gone
through
in
their
community
and
they're
in
their
lives
and
the
things
that
they
can
handle
and
that's
the
best
way
that
they
can
handle
it
dealing
with
things
like
that
and
fighting
hurting
people.
That's
a
stress,
reliever
believe
it
or
not.
You
know,
and
just
finally
it's
a
stress
reliever
there
you,
you
know
what
I
mean
and
said
it.
You
know,
instead
of
going
and
punching
doing
a
punching
bag
they're
trying
to
punch
somebody
else,
just.
C
You
and
starting
arguments
just
to
be
able
to
get
that
frustration.
You
know
what
I
mean
that
that
frustration
off
so
that
they
could,
you
know,
have
some
type
of
peace.
So
you
know
you
talking
about
healing.
Like
healing
is,
is
you
know
being
able
to
you
know
mindfulness?
It's
taking
that
that
prayer
time
being
able
to
learn
the
the
breathing
concepts
being
able
to
be
around
peaceful
people.
You
know
to
be
able
to
see
an
example.
C
You
know
I
found
out
that
a
lot
of
people
wanted
to
be
around
me
down
at
the
prison,
because
I
wasn't
as
aggressive
as
everybody
else
they're
like.
How
are
you
different
like
what
like
I've,
never
seen
that
before
you
come
with
this
like
spirit
of
peace?
You
know
what
I
mean
and
they're
like
what
is
that
I
was
like
because
you
know
it
they.
C
This
is
that's
the
that
was
the
piece
that
I
had
and
my
relationship
relationship
with
my
walk,
but
I
also
told
them
strategies
to
be
able
to
get
that
peace.
Yes,
and
also
you
know
you
know
we
used
to
take
time.
It
would
especially
want
things
one
of
the
most
one
of
the
most
hostile
situations
was
when
we
would
set
up
for
a
Sunday
service
in
the
prison,
because
everybody
took
pride
in
setting
up
for
Sunday
service,
so
they
wanted
everything
to
be
right.
He
liked
men
something
service
like
really
like.
C
Why
would
that
be
a
hostile
situation
that
was
their
time
to
get
some
peace,
so
somebody
did
something
wrong.
It
was
an
argument.
It
was
an
argument
so
before
that,
before
the
arguments
would
kick
in,
I
would
put
on
some
very
relaxing
music.
You
know
what
I
mean
I
would
also
look
at
everyone's
face,
while
they're
doing
their
thing,
I
would
be
checking
with
them
like.
How
are
you
good?
You
know
just
sort
of
it
sounds
funny,
but
I
would
also
even
look
at
their
complexion.
C
I
could
tell
if
they
were
off
just
from
their
complexion
and
if
they
were
off
I'd,
say:
hey
just
sit
down
a
little
bit
and
just
soak
up
the
music
a
little
bit
fine
strategies.
You
know
you
know
an
outside
of
this
I'm,
a
believer
that
you
know
anybody
who's
dealing
with
this
type
of
stuff
needs
to
find
a
good
therapist
too.
You
know,
I
mean
I'm
blessed
my
wife's
a
therapist.
C
B
C
Finding
out
strategies
that,
if
you
can't
get
away
from
the
drama,
how
do
you
develop
yourself?
How
could
you
develop
skills
to
be
able
to
to
help
yourself
if
you're
and
what
I
like
to
call
the
lion's
den
you
know,
I
mean
the
strategies
that
you
could
learn
and
be
around
people
that
could
actually
help
you
develop.
Those
strategies
would
help
you
to
sort
of
personalize
those
strategies
for
your
situations.
Yes,.
A
Yes,
I
appreciate
you
speaking
about
it,
because
there's
and
I'm
grateful
for
the
language.
That's
emerged
that
can
address
trauma
and
describe
it
rigorously
describe
a
sign,
typically
describe
it
with
some
sense
of
time
to
this
idea
of
generational
trauma.
This
idea
of
of
ongoing
Trump
I'm
very
grateful
for
it,
but
not
off.
Not
as
often
do
I
hear
about
this
idea
of
healing
and
so
hearing.
You
speak
about
the
importance
of
mindfulness
developing
other
strategies
to
find
to
find
peace.
It
speaks
to
me
of
this
idea
of
of
healing
an
expression
of
peace.
A
That
I've
heard
in
different
traditions
is
that
of
Shalom,
and
this
that
this
word
comes
with
this
idea,
not
just
of
like
stillness
but
of
wholeness
and
and
of
growth
and
I.
Guess
if
you
were
not
experiencing
corners
at
a
certain
point,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
importance
of
mindfulness
and
then
I
want
to
transition
back
to
some
where
the
group
violence,
intervention
work,
that's
happening
in
the
city
to
give
folks
a
sense
of
what's
happening
on
the
ground
today,
mm-hmm
so
I
mean
this.
C
The
importance
to
me
is
just
making
sure
that
you,
before
you
go
into
a
situation
or
just
you
know,
in
the
beginning
of
the
day,
I'm
a
believer
of
the
taking
time
to
balance
yourself
out
to
make
sure
that
you're
doing
you
know
your
breathing.
You
know
the
mean
for
some
people
to
your
prayer
time.
You
know
what
I
mean
but
making
sure
that
you're
balancing
yourself
out,
because
I've
learned
just
from
people
that
I
that
I
know
in
myself.
C
C
Yeah
I'll
be
bringing
in
hostility,
it's
already
hostile
environment
that
you
not
I
mean
so
you
know,
and
so
I
got
to
make
sure
this
is
the
only
time
that
I
tell
people
I
need
you
to
be
selfish.
You
know,
I
mean
this
is
about
you
taking
care
of
yourself
so
that
you
could
be
effective.
For
especially
you
know,
I
got
a
family
now,
I'm
gonna,
take
care
of
me,
so
I
could
be
effective
and,
if
and
happy,
and
bring
peace
to
my
children's
lives.
C
B
C
A
C
Well,
strategize,
we'll
find
out
who
has
the
connection
to
that
person?
What
resources
can
we
get
for
that
person
to
be
able
to
get
them
to
stop
doing
what
they're
doing
and
their
family?
You
know
I
mean
to
get
be
able
to
get
them
a
support,
so
they
could
support
that
person
and
keep
them
away
from
the
violence
that
they're
getting
involved
in.
C
If
they
don't.
If
that
person
doesn't
stop,
then
the
next
layer
is,
we've
done
everything
we're
trying
to
help
them
out
as
much
as
possible.
Then,
if
last
resort
is
especially
if
this
is
a
shooter
as
law
enforcement
getting
in
the
mix.
But
the
the
goal
is
to
keep
people
out
of
prison
to
keep
them
alive
and
to
help
them
really
just
find
their
purpose.
C
In
this
thing,
but
I'm
the
person
who
who
works
with
the
outreach
teams,
we
were
blessed
to
have
three
outreach
teams
that
are
working
with
us
actually
I
like
to
say
forward,
because
we
have.
We
have
the
Pittsburgh
outreach
team.
We
have
the
reach
initiative,
we
have
the
South
Pittsburgh
peacemakers
and
the
fourth
one
always
like
the
mix,
even
though
they're
they're,
not
with
us
all
the
time
as
mad
dad's
mad.
C
They're
all
working
with
us
right
now
and
they're
all
everybody
has
different
levels
of
what
they
do.
Some
people
were
in
their
schools.
Some
people
were
in
you
know
some
of
the
detention
centers
and
things
like
that,
and
then
some
people
were
just
rough
rugged
or
all
in
the
streets.
For
me,
you
know
I
mean
different
layers.
There
are
all
these
different
places,
trying
to
put
out
fires
trying
to
mentor
a
lot
of
people
building
relationships.
99%
of
this
thing
is
about
relationships,
relationships
and
I'm.
C
B
C
You
know
it
just
that's
when
all
those
skills
are
being
able
to
deal
with
both
sides
of
this,
you
know
come
into
the
works.
You
know,
I've
seen,
people
from
the
village
from
the
community
who've
worked
with
the
police,
and
this
worked
with
a
whole
initiative
with
gvi
because
they
believed
and
they
weren't
fans
of
the
police,
but
they
believed
in
what's
going
on
because
they
understand
that
it
that
it's
not
about
arresting
people,
it's
about
trying
to
stop
stuff
before
they
get
arrested.
C
You
know
one
of
the
most
exciting
things
that
we've
done
is
you
know
for
some
of
the
major
events
downtown.
You
know.
We've
bought
all
of
our
outreach
teams
down
there
and
we
brought
a
bunch
of
volunteers
yeah
and
work
with
the
groove
on
certain
vention
detectives.
So
when
we're
doing
that,
you
know
I,
remember
seeing
one
of
the
guys
who
was
about
to
fight
one
of
the
kids
who
was
about
to
fight
19
years
old.
You
know
we
looked
over
there.
One
of
the
pastors
said:
that's
he's!
C
B
C
Down
now,
if
he
wasn't
there,
law
enforcement
would
have
had
to
you
know,
get
involved
by
the
character
for
what
hey,
what
it
probably
would
have
been
arrest.
You
know
I
mean,
but
now
we're
able
to
stop
before
things
actually
happen
and
I
think
the
young
people
and
people
from
the
sheets
are
starting
to
look
at
us
as
a
buffer,
yeah.
B
C
A
C
And
that's
so
huge
and
even
like
you
know,
I'm
a
believer
of
even
if
people
are
watching
this
right
now,
if
you
have
some
type
of
resource
that
you
could
add
to
the
table
that
were
that
we're
sharing
with
the
people
like
bring
those
resources,
let
me
know
you're
not
I
mean,
and
then
let
me
know
because
we
want
to
I
want
we
want
people
to
win.
Yes,
we
want
them
to
be
successful.
C
B
C
B
A
Couple
final
questions
here:
what
you
mentioned
law
enforcement
is
great
to
hear
you
guys
working
so
closely
with
them.
Some
of
the
customer
notification
things
things
that
they've
been
involved
with
providing
security
for
your
efforts
as
well.
Let's
talk
about
what
it's
been
like
working
with
law
enforcement,
and
how
are
you
encouraged
people
to
think
about
to
think
about
the
police?
True,
so.
B
C
That's
part
of
life,
you
know
I
mean,
but
the
majority
of
the
people
are
excited
about
the
initiative
that
you
know
the
Chiefs
the
commanders
like
very
excited
about
it.
A
lot
of
the
staff
are
excited
about
it.
There's
always
people
who
think
you
know
I.
Don't
this
new
style
of
doing
things
is
different.
You
know
that's.
What's
life
people
don't
like
change
sometimes,
but
I
could
honestly
say
that
the
majority
of
the
people
that
are
down
there
are
excited
about
it
and
working.
C
You
know
with
us
there
it
helpful
when
we
when
we
need
stuff
they're,
helpful
they're.
You
know
my
guys
were
telling
me
recently.
They
were
at
an
event,
and
you
know
a
couple:
the
law
enforcement
officers
that
hey,
if
you
guys
ever,
need
anything.
Let
us
know
you
know
what
I
mean
every
there
everybody's
seen
that
we
need
each
other
in
this.
That's
the
whole
thing
with
David
Kennedy's
motto
is
it's
a
before
people
thought
out
could
be
just
law
enforcement
that
could
stop.
C
You
know
street
violence
and
other
people
thought
it
could
be
just
outreach
that
could
stop
people
don't
understand
that
David
Kennedy
said,
which
is
which
totally
makes
sense,
that
law
enforcement
working
with
outreach
was
in
working
with
social
services,
is
how
you
really
pull
this
thing
together.
Yeah.
B
C
That's
that's
the
motto
and
you
know
you
know
the
outreach
team.
It
was
it's
it's
now
his
thing,
even
on
that
side
of
it,
a
lot
of
them
had
to
realize
that
hey,
we
need
each
other,
not
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
people
from
outreach
of
people
who
were
in
the
streets
years
ago,
and
now
it's
exciting
finnegans
they're,
like
yeah
last
time,
I
was
talking
to
a
police
officer
I,
mean
years
ago,
was
but
they're
seeing
the
the
need
for
both
sides
and
I'm
a
believer
of
once.
B
A
Wonderful
three-ply
corridor,
a
three
string
rub
not
easily
broken,
it's
better
stronger,
together,
yeah.
We
talk
really
quickly
about
the
national
landscape.
You
mentioned
how
Pittsburgh
is
perhaps
differentiated
itself
in
terms
of
some
of
these
efforts,
but
we've
also
participated
in
things
like
cities,
United
cities,
United,
a
consortium
of
or
network
of
cities.
Doing
involved
in
this
work
focused
on
black
men
and
boys.
We
also
my
brother's
keeper
focused
on
black
men
and
boys.
A
C
I
love
about
connecting
with
those
national
platforms.
Is
you
able
to
talk
to
people
who
have
experienced
some
of
the
situation's
you're
dealing
with
yes
and
being
able
to
have
that
peer
conversation,
you're
able
to
say
hey?
This
is
what
we
got.
I
got
a
situation
where
guys
doing
this
that
and
that
they're,
like
oh
I,
had
the
same
situation.
This
is
how
we
dealt
with
it.
You
know
the
meaning,
you
could
take
pieces
of
what
they've
done
and
be
able
to
take
that
stuff
and
sort
of
add
some
of
the
Pittsburgh.
C
It
touches
with
it
and
really
be
effective.
So
those
conversations
have
been
good
because
it's
not
just
us
thinking
about
thinking.
You
know
I,
said
we're
not
just
coming
up
with
new
ideas
by
ourselves.
We're
now
going
to
the
cities
United
I'm.
Talking
to
you,
know
the
guy
who
runs
Philadelphia's
violence
prevention,
I
was
just
talking
to
him
this
morning.
You
know
the
Maine
and
you
know
talking
to
people
from
the
cease
fire
Detroit
cure
violence.
You
know
the
Maine
up
in
Chicago
just
talking
to
these
people
who
are
making
things
happening.
C
C
You
know
what
I
mean,
but
we
got
a
lot
more,
a
lot
more
to
do,
I'm
a
believer.
If
we
have
one
homicide,
that's
one
two
minutes
one
two
minutes
you
know
I
mean,
but
you
know
it's
also
funny
is
these
people
that
are
doughnuts
on
a
national
level.
We're
almost
developing
almost
like
a
support
network
because
we
understand
what
we're
all
going
through.
So
you
know
if
they
had
a
shooting,
a
major
shooting.
You
know
they'll
call
me
up
and
we'll
talk
about
I.
C
This
is
you
know,
here's
a
strategy,
my
through
some
stuff
with
me
and
out
same
thing
with
me.
You
know
the
main.
The
major
shooting
in
Pittsburgh
I'll
call
them
up
in
like
this
is
what
it
is.
You
know
this
is
type
of
situation,
they'll
be
on
the
phone
with
me
for
an
hour
and
we'll
map
out
something
that
would
be
effective
and
help
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
yeah.
B
C
It's
really
we're
sharing
resources,
okay,
we're
sharing
resources
and
those
are
the
type
of
things
and
even
to
the
point
where
we'll
bring
in
other
officers.
You
know
from
other
different
cities
that
will
help
on
the
law
enforcement
side.
That
was
something
that
the
National
Institute
was
really
good.
At
supporting
us
with
and
being
able
to
have
those
conversations
and
I
was
dialogues
to
be
able
to
say
hey.
A
Yeah,
this
idea
of
like
systems
kind
of
speaking
their
own
language,
yeah,
and
then
the
important
of
folks
like
yourself
that
can
play
that
liaison
role
because
live
in
that
liminal
space
and
communicate
between
the
systems
are
so
so
valuable.
What
is
the?
What
is
the
role
of
faith
leaders
in
this
conversation
like?
What's?
What's
the
charge
that
you
give
them
and
then
we'll
wrap
up
with
just
whatever
you
would
encourage
folks
that
may
be
watching
or
listening
to
do
as
it
relates
to
their
own
communities.
A
The
faith
leaders
right,
it
is
I,
know
you're
a
person
of
faith
yourself,
you
you,
it's
strongly
informs
the
work
that
you
do.
You've
worked
with
faith
leaders
before
but
I've
been
in
conversation
I've
been
in
rooms
with
you
quite
frankly,
where
there's
a
lot
of
faith
leaders
from
different
traditions,
different
face
that
are
saying.
What
can
we
do?
You
know
we
want
to
see.
Violence
continue
to
trend
down
which
it
has
here
in
Pittsburgh
homicides
drug
dropping
consistently.
C
C
Really
finding
out
what
is
your
expert,
what
different
different
congregations
specialize
in
different
things?
Some
are,
you
know
they
have
the
homeless
shelters.
Some
have
food
banks
yeah.
What
is
it
that
your
congregation
specializes
in
you
know,
I
had
one
person,
so
we
specialize
in
everything
I
was
like.
Maybe,
though,
know
that
no,
you
know
every
what's
your
specialty.
What
is
your
congregation
like?
This
is
what
we
love
and
being
able
to
put
those
pieces
together.
C
C
So,
for
instance,
when
we
need
a
mediation
space,
yeah
I
need
to
be
able
to
contact,
pastor,
Jenkins
right,
be
like
hey.
We
got
a
situation
going
on
around
the
corner.
I
need
a
safe
place.
Yes,
if
we
need
somebody
who
is
in
your
congregation,
that
was
locked
up
to
be
a
mentor.
That's
that's
your
lane
right
there.
We
need
somebody
so
fine
and
the
key
pieces
of
the
puzzle
that
you
that
the
people
in
your
congregation,
they're
experts
at
right
and
being
able
to
say
hey.
C
You
know
I
had
contact
somebody
contacted
me
and
said
you
know
they
were
a
victim.
They
needed
some
food.
You
know,
I
was
able
to
contact,
focus
Pittsburgh
folks
for
about
them.
They
were
family
food
for
like
a
week.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
they
were
thankful
so
just
being
able
to
contact
people,
because
you
know
you
know
all
the
all
of
the
holy
books.
Talk
about.
You
know
loving
on
the
the
people
loving
on,
but
you
know
praying
for
the
oppressed.
C
You
know
the
being
just
really
just
finding
out
just
doing
what
all
the
books
are
saying
or
we're
supposed
to
do.
You
know
I
mean
there's
the
English
loving
caring
help
all
these
different
things
that
we're
supposed
to
do,
but
finding
your
lane
in
this
I'm
not
saying
everyone's
walking
on
the
streets-
and
you
know
I
mean
doing
things
that
that's
not
that's,
not
the
lane,
but
there's
a
lane
that
that
people
have
and
I
think
that
they
could
get
involved
in.
C
That
could
really
make
some
change,
and
but
we
have
to
realize
that
you
know
we
can't,
let
fear
be
our
issue
and
it
can't
be
they're
gonna
help.
They're
gonna
do
this.
It
has
to
be
all
of
us
doing
this
and
that's
something
that
I
think
has
been
the
most
effective
out
of
what
we've
been
doing.
It's
it's
not
well.
Like
I
said:
what
are
they
gonna
do
it's?
C
What
are
we
gonna
do
right
where
people
are
feeling
empowered,
because
now
you
know
they're
there
once
funding
somebody
to
call
make
some
phone
calls
sister
Jenkins,
who
all
she
does
most
time
look
outside
the
window,
since
the
Jenkins
will
make
that
phone
call
for
me,
you
know
it
because
I
need
somebody
make
some
phone
calls
just
sort
of
just
finding
their
lane.
Yes,
finding
the
people
in
that
congregation
that
are
also
saying
pastor.
Why
aren't
we
out
there
and
you
know
or
email?
Why
aren't
we
doing
such
incites?
C
You
know
I
mean
finding
those
people
and
involving
them
in
the
movement,
and
that
could
be
a
representation
of
the
you
know
your
faith
group,
because
a
lot
of
times
the
pastors
are
busy
they're
doing
different
things,
but
there's
there's
always
that
sound,
so
sister,
Jenkins
or
like
I
was
the
outcast.
You
know
I
mean
I
was
doing.
Why
are
we
we
should
be?
And
you
know
instead
of
focusing
on
that.
You
know
you
know.
I,
remember
God
told
me:
why
don't
you
you
know
the
mean
so
instead
of
me
complaining
about
it
now.
C
A
C
C
A
B
A
C
C
Being
able
to
help
with
that
faith
base,
voice,
I
think
MBK
has
a
strong
voice.
That
I
think
if
MBK
talks
to
some
of
the
faith,
leaders
to
and
and
some
of
the
faith
leaders
understand
that
it's
not
it
doesn't
have
to
be
just
you
pastor
or
you
Imam.
Let's
get
those
people
in
those
congregation
who
who
are
hungry
about
stopping
violence
or
stopping
violence
in
and
you
know
so
they
could
be
representative
and
its
movement,
because
I
believe
that
this
is
a
movement
and.