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A
B
Good
evening,
thank
you
mayor
pro
tem
price
and
council.
We
do
have
a
full
work
session
agenda
us
recently.
We
were
made
aware
of
the
potential
of
some
funding
for
additional
sidewalks.
I
do
have
jennifer
beal
our
on-call
traffic
engineer.
Here,
he's
worked
since
we
were
made
aware
of
this.
I
know
our
arts
members,
mayor
osmond
and
council
member
gregory
were
in
on
a
meeting
where
this
money
was
identified
and
we
stated
we
would
have
something
for
council
going
forward
tonight's
meeting
or
this
afternoon's
work
session.
B
So
jennifer
is
our
on-call
engineer
and
she
has
worked
with
our
planning
director,
ryan,
bland
and
engineering
staff
mike
krazvilowitz
and
john
poole
on
this.
So
jennifer
you
could
come
up
and
go
through
the
presentation
briefly,
and
then
we
could
get
some
tentative
direction
from
council
going
forward
on
some
prioritization.
C
Hello,
everybody-
and
if
I
get,
if
I
need
it
closer,
let
me
know
hope
everybody's
having
a
good
afternoon,
so
stewart
kind
of
laid
that
out
pretty
pretty
well
kind
of
as
an
intro.
So
this
is
a
preliminary
review
based
on
what's
in
the
arts,
bicycle
and
pedestrian
plan
and
in
conversation
with
staff,
but
stepping
back
a
little
bit.
The.
C
For
the
areas
or
the
mpo,
which
our
mpo
is
arts,
and
basically
it's
a
it's,
a
any
alternative
transportation
project,
so
most
anything
that
have
a
car
associated
with
a
bicycle,
pedestrian
and
the
like
can
get
this
funding
grant.
Now
it
is
federal
funds,
it
does
require
a
20
match
and
the
projects
are
submitted
to
arts
and
the
they
are.
They
are
graded
against
each
other
and
typically
they're,
more
shovel
ready,
which
means
you
know,
they're
they're,
designed.
C
We
know
how
much
they're
going
to
be,
and
everything
and
they're
scored
based
on
this
criteria
that
we
have
here
so
there's,
let's
see
about
you,
know
nine
to
ten
items
that
each
project
is
scored
against
and
then
the
committee
makes
a
recommendation
and
then
their
recommendations
for
funding
go
to
the
dot
the
dot
approves,
and
then
the
funding
is
is
brought
to
the
project
as
it
as
it
goes
forward.
C
C
When
we
get
the
list,
we
decide
which
projects
we
want
to
move
forward
with
we'll
obviously
be
coordinating
closely
with
the
arts
folks
as
well
as
scdot,
so
this
kind
of
gives
you
a
quick
overview
of
the
locations.
So
everything
that's
that's
highlighted
these
are
kind
of
rough
locations
and
then
we'll
go
through
these
one
by
one
and
as
I
said,
this
is
just
the
beginning,
and
you
know
this
can
be
expanded.
This
program
is
an
ongoing
program.
C
C
So
some
of
these
longer
ones
are
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
expensive
just
at
this
high
level,
and
then
we
can,
if
they're
the
ones
that
we
decide
to
move
forward
with
in
more
detail,
we'll
get
that
cost
down
a
little
bit,
but
this
would
basically
run
to
basically
between
the
two
parks
for
whatever
length,
maybe
on
park
or
or
available
to
the
park,
and
so
this
is
that'll
be
the
first
one
that
we
considering.
C
This
is
a
first
and
second
tier
priority,
so
the
portion
closer
to
smith
hazel
is
the
arts
identified
as
a
first
priority
and
then,
as
you
get
closer
to
williamsburg,
that
was
where
the
second
tier
was,
and
then
this
connects
that
portion
to
beaufort
street,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
another
and
this
whole
kind
of
quadrant.
C
Here
we
looked
at
kind
of
doing
it
in
five
or
six
projects
to
kind
of
break
it
down,
so
it
wasn't
one
big
project,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
the
next
section
and
you'll
see
as
we
go
through.
We've
got
kind
of
a
photo
of
the
bottom
of
where
this
would
be,
but
essentially
this
is
abbeville
between
williamsburg
and
beaufort.
C
The
next
section
is
here
to
the
new
playground
and
park
up
at
hayham
and
williams,
so
this
actually
connects
the
neighborhood
to
the
new
new
park.
You've
got
some
sidewalk
here,
but
it
gets
you
kind
of
across
the
street
and
then
into
into
the
park
itself.
So
this
is
kind
of
one
of
the
smaller
sections.
That's
a
little
bit
more
of
like
an
intersection
improvement,
and
so
you
see
the
order
of
magnitude.
Cost
is
a
little
bit
lower
because
it's
a
little
bit
shorter
and
it's
just
an
intersection
improvement.
C
The
next
one
is
kind
of
the
second
portion
where
you
extend
that
down
down
orangeburg
to
hampton
avenue
kind
of,
as
you
get
closer
into
closer
to
abbeville,
and
then
this
would
allow
that
connectivity
to
go
potentially
if
all
the
projects
go
through,
all
the
way
down
from
smith,
hazel
and
you'd
be
coming
all
the
way
up
to
the
hammond
williams
park.
C
C
Kind
of
going
to
a
little
bit
different
part
of
the
of
the
city
a
little
bit
further
south
is
this
is
an
example
of
where
we
have
a
section
of
sidewalk
and
then
a
gap
for
a
one
house
and
then
another
section
of
sidewalks.
So
this
is
pretty
short,
it's
about
175
feet
and
basically
it
would
connect
two
sidewalk
areas
together,
it's
by
the
middle
school
and
the
park
as
well,
and
so
people
are
using
it
today,
they're
just
going
from
a
place
sidewalk
and
then
picking
the
sidewalk
back
up.
C
C
C
Here
the
sidewalk
stops
on
the
south
side,
just
as
you're
kind
of
across
from
the
bus
area
there,
and
if
you
were
to
continue
on
you'd,
be
able
to
connect
into
the
neighborhood's
sidewalks
a
little
bit
longer
of
a
gap,
because
it's
about
six
to
ten
parcels,
but
it
is
one
that
you
can
you're.
Essentially,
you
would
do
a
really
good
connection
and
it's
right
by
the
high
school.
C
And
then,
if
we
go
to
charleston
charleston
street,
this
has
been
one
of
the
ones
by
the
charleston
street
playground.
That's
come
up
multiple
times
with
staff
and
council
through
the
years,
and
this
will
connect
the
charleston
street
playground.
This
is
just
going
to
get
it
across
the
just
across
of
charleston
and
then
there's
a
second
one
that
will
actually
take
it
to
the
existing.
C
D
I
ask
a
question
sure
we
looked
at
this
a
little
while
ago
and
I
was
told
that,
like
on
on
charleston
street
there,
it
had
to
go
sidewalk
to
sidewalk
when
you
put
a
crosswalk
in
or
sidewalk,
because
the
ada
I
mean
is
that
still
true.
That
has
to
go
from
sidewall
to
sidewalk
on
each
side
of
the
street.
So.
C
You
would
go
so
in
that
case
you
would
have
landings
at
both
sides
because
you
have
to
have
so
every
sidewalk,
so
yeah.
Let's
talk
about
for
a
minute,
so
every
sidewalk
would
have
to
have
ada
landings
if
they
come
to
an
intersection
so
that
you
would
have
a
tactile
warning
that
you're
approaching
a
road.
Then
it
would
be
a
crosswalk.
C
B
And
I
know
with
that
particular
project
too:
it
was
requested
just
as
a
project
early
in
the
fiscal
years.
I
remember
and
we
would
have
had
to
pay
the
full
freight
and
the
tax
grant,
I
believe,
requires
a
20
percenter.
C
C
Yeah
sidewalk
projects
are
have
a
tendency
to
be
more
expensive
than
you
think,
just
because
of
the
different
there's,
usually
a
drainage
problem
when
it
has
to
be
resolved,
there
is
right-of-way,
and
then
you
have
to
construct
it
and
make
sure
that
it's
you
just
can't
put
put
it
down.
You
have
to
have
the
ramping
and
everything
at
the
right
angles
and
everything
so
sidewalk
projects,
unfortunately
have
a
tendency
to
be
complex.
E
Jennifer,
I
had
a
question
too:
is
there
in
looking
at
these?
Are
there
some
that
are
more
safety
for
safety.
C
There
there
haven't
there,
there
haven't
been
any
that
I've
identified.
That
necessarily
are
we
haven't
done
a
detailed
crash,
pedestrian
crash
analysis
of
them,
so
we
haven't.
We
haven't
gotten
to
that
level.
That
would
be
probably
the
next
step
from
a
from
a
size
and
grant
standpoint.
F
C
There
is
some
some
complicated
grade,
topography
there,
and
so
that
would
be
something
that
definitely
would
look
at
further
as
a
potential
sidewalk
project,
but
it's
probably
not
appropriate
for
the
tap
grant
application
for
what
what
it
would
be
at
the
end
of
the
day
from
like
a
from
a
cost
standpoint,
but
that
one
that
one
would
be
one
the
other
one
that
has
been
discussed
is
also
owen
street
in
that
area,
where
we've
got
bits
and
pieces
of
sidewalk
here
and
there
and
connecting
all
of
that.
F
C
A
limited
amount
of
funding
for
tap
grant
and
we
have
the
20
match,
and
so
these
bigger
projects
might
be
may
eclipse
some
of
the
the
amount
of
funding
that's
actually
available
and
they
may.
H
C
The
sidewalk
project,
I
believe
it's
a
couple
hundred
feet.
There
is
some
sidewalk
there
today
for
the
new
apartments
have
sidewalk
and
the
walgreens
has
sidewalks
100.
E
H
H
C
H
C
H
That's
comparable
to
the
ones
that
are
tier
one
tier
two
that
you
listed.
C
So
yeah,
so
it
is
that
it
would
be
similar
in
distance.
There
is
some
complexity,
I
think,
with
right-of-way
okay
in
this
corridor.
That
would
have
to
be
looked
at
closely.
So
I'm.
H
Just
going
to
add
a
little
bit
rick
and
I
attended
the
aiken
augusta
regional
transportation
meeting
and
the
consultants
and
so
forth,
and
so
on,
presented
a
bunch
of
projects
and
stuff
to
us
ongoing
in
the
csra
in
our
region
and
one
of
the
topics
that
came
up
and
stewart.
Please
help
me
if
I
am
in
error,
but
one
of
the
topics
that
we
noticed
came
up
is
that
there
was
tap
funding.
That
was
just
sitting
there
and
actually
one
of
the
gentlemen
on
the
call
through
the
county
said.
H
We
need
municipalities
to
apply
for
this
funding
because
it's
going
to
go
away
if
we
don't
tap
into
it.
So,
needless
to
say,
we
were
all
like,
and
so
we
came
back
and
we
spoke
with
stuart
and
and
his
team
regarding
going
after
this,
this
funding
and
finding
appropriate
sidewalk
projects
throughout
the
city,
and
so
some
of
the
ones
you
mentioned
in
tier
one
tier
two,
which
I
think
are
are
very
instrumental,
especially
the
connection
between
smith
hazel.
The
two
parks
right.
H
Those
things
are
so
necessary
and
then
owen
street
came
up
because
one
of
the
things
constituents
were
really
adamant
about
in
approving
that
particular
housing
project
was
connect.
You
know
for
people
to
have
sidewalks
to
walk
on,
and
that
was
a
big
something
that
really
resonated.
So
we
looked
at
that
one
amongst
the
few
others
that
she
mentioned
in
the
east
north
side
of
town,
so
that
just
kind
of
gives
you.
H
I
guess
you
guys
a
a
full
picture
of
how
this
kind
of
started
and
transpired,
and
you
know
we
we
need
to
start
connecting
our
city,
and
so,
if
we
can
go
after
money,
that's
sitting.
I
think
they
had
a
almost
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
B
C
So
I
guess
one
thing
to
point
out
is
that
what
we're
saying
so
if
the
money
is
not
used,
the
federal
money
that's
given
to
arts
is
not
used
after
a
certain
amount
of
time.
It
just
goes
back
to
the
feds
correct
and
it
just
go.
It
goes
away,
and
so
what
everybody's
trying
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we
use
it
yeah.
J
H
H
C
Is
I
believe
that
there
there
has
been
some
awarded,
so
I
believe
it's
less
than
500
now,
but
basically
it's
a
competitive
process,
so
they
have
a
call
for
projects,
and
so
the
next
call
will
be
in
the
fall
and
that
call
will
be
the
projects
will
compete
against
each
other
for
the
money
that
is
available
and
so
what?
C
If,
if
the
project
is
larger
than
what's
available,
then
the
amount
of
money
that
the
city
would
have
to
put
in
would
be
more
than
20,
because
they
only
have
a
certain
amount
of
funds
at
that
time
or
if
they
choose
to
award
to
two
projects.
You
know
it
may
not
be
fully
funded
100.
You
know
100
with
their
80
percent
in
the
20,
so.
F
C
So
they
do
a
call
they're
going
to
do
a
call
in
the
fall,
and
then
they
don't
have
the
exact
date
of
that
and
but
it'll
be
sometime.
This
fall
and
we
need
to
be
whatever
we
decide
to
present
needs
to
be.
You
know
pretty
far
along
plans,
because
the
key
with
these
sidewalk
projects
and
talking
with
the
department
of
transportation
and
with
arts
is
making
sure
we
have
a
good
number
for
from
a
funding
standpoint,
because
if
say
we
say
it's
x
amount
of
money,
you
will
only
get
x
from
the
grant.
C
So
anything
that
goes
beyond
that,
including
the
local
match,
any
overruns
or
anything
would
be
the
responsibility
of
of
the
city.
I
mean
there,
you
know
you
could
go
back
and
see
if
there's
money
available,
but
you
know
that's
the
biggest
challenge
that
they
have
with
sidewalk
projects
when
they're
not
fully
when
it's
just
a
line
on
a
map
is
there's
invariably
some
issue
that
costs
a
little
bit
more
money
and
it
falls
on
the
municipality
or
county.
Whoever
applies
for
it.
So
that
call
is
in
the
fall.
C
They
will
do
rankings
after
that,
and
then
it
goes
through
the
multi-tier
process
of
of
the
arts
committees.
And
then
you
would.
You
would
know
the
that
you,
where
you
ranked
pretty
soon
pretty
early,
but
then
it
has
to
go
through
the
dot
and
everything.
So
you
wouldn't
actually
get
funding
for
this
next
call,
probably
until
summer
of
next
year,
and
then
you
have
to
obligate
those
funds
within
a
certain
time
as
well,
and
so
because
they're
grant
funds.
C
So
if
you
don't
obligate
them
in
a
certain
time
same
thing,
they
go
back
and
they
go
away.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
today
is
kind
of
get
you
see
if
there's
any
any
other
ones.
You
all
want
us
to
look
at
and
then
just
and
then
we'll
come
back
with
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
the
ones
that
we
want
to
move
forward
with.
H
Right
now
it
gives
people
the
option
to
to
cross
and
walk
safely.
So
I
think,
that's,
in
my
opinion,
a
priority
and
and
and
also
only
because
stuart,
and
we,
I
think
we
all
were
here
when
the
constituents
were
really
adamant
about
the
safety
of
that
owen
street
dougherty
road,
and
I
know
that
it's
a
little
larger
in
scope
or
whatever.
K
A
A
C
That's
correct:
this
is
just
this
is
just
a
preliminary
first,
you
know
crack
at
it
and
okay
now,
we'll
work,
definitely
any
feedback
you
guys
have
today
and
then
also.
I
would
expect
that
we
would
want
to
continue
to
go
after
this
grant.
Every
time
it
opens
and
so
the
more
stuff
that
we
have
and
more
projects
we
have
set
and
ready
to
go.
It
is
one
of
funding,
it
is
a
funding
source.
C
There
are
there's
other
funding
sources
out
there
beyond
just
the
city
paying
for
for
these
projects,
and
so
the
more
the
key
is.
Is
that
the
more
stuff
that
you
have
more
projects
you
have
that
are
shovel
ready?
Where
you
have
the
design,
drawings
done
or
very
close,
and
you
know
the
further
along
you
can
get
some
of
these
projects
the
more
attractive
they
are
for
grant
opportunities
and
when
there's
just
like
somebody
has
a
little
bit
of
money
here
that
they,
you
know
like.
Oh
well,
we
could
you
know
a
lot
of
these.
C
C
H
B
Absolutely-
and
I
would,
since
it
is
a
low
cost,
maybe
looking
at
then-
and
it's
come
up
over
the
last
couple
of
years-
the
the
one
near
saint
noah
church
in
the
charleston
street
playground,
because
it
is
if
the
city
paid
for
it.
It
is
a
lot
of
it's
50
to
70
thousand.
F
L
B
Pays
80
I
mean
that's
a
that,
would
that's
a
project
that
that
neighborhood
could
benefit
from
that.
That
would
be
low
cost
to
the
city
coffers.
Would.
B
K
B
And
I
do
want
to
thank
jennifer,
because
I
think
this
came
up
just
four
weeks
ago
and
she
and
I
want
to
thank
engineering
and
planning
staff
as
well.
They
got
together
quickly
and,
I
think,
put
together
at
least
a
good
preliminary
package.
We
could
then
work
to
get
something
applied
for,
and
I
I
do
believe,
I'm
optimistic.
We
can
get
some
funding
for
some
of
these
with
this
round.
A
Thank
you
for
appearing
before
us
tonight,
but
also
I
want
to
thank
you
and
the
mayor
as
well,
and
you
are
being
on
top
of
this
to
bring
this
to
us.
So
it's
a
team
effort
in
terms
of
getting
this
this
done,
and
this
is
something
I
would
say
that
we
we
very
much
have
an
interest
in.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
C
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
know
we
were
asked
to
have
we
we
do
have
tonight,
the
ordinance
that'll
be
for
council
consideration
or
two
ordinances.
B
One
is
in
the
form
of
an
emergency
ordinance
and
one
is
in
the
form
of
a
standard,
two
reading
ordinance,
they're,
essentially
very
similar,
but
I
know
we
were
asked
to
have
the
chief
to
talk
about
the
impact
on
public
safety,
regarding
enforcement
of
any
sort
of
mass
coordinates
right
now.
B
As
we
all
know,
city
council,
on
july,
2nd
passed
a
resolution
encouraging
the
use
of
masks
and
at
the
meeting
july,
2nd
when
it
passed,
you
asked
to
have
ordinances
for
council
consideration
and
that's
what
we
have
before
you
tonight.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
the
chief
of
essentially
what
we
have
right
now
and
it
is
council's
purview
to
amend
the
ordinance
as
you
see
fit
if
a
majority,
whether
it's
a
super
majority
or
a
or
a
simple
majority,
passes
depending
on
the
ordinance
of
the
impact
on
public
safety.
B
There
was
some
questions
or
comments
made
by
various
members
of
council
about
that,
and
the
chief
is
here
to
kind
of
talk
through
the
ordinance
and-
and
certainly
I
am
as
well,
but
we
didn't
model
this
ordinance
after
after
consultation
with
public
safety.
B
Town
of
lexington's
got
a
very
similar
ordinance
and
essentially
it
is
treated
as
a
trespassing
charge
in
that
it's
it's
the
businesses
that
will
enforce
the
or
not
enforce
the
ordinance,
but
they
will
be
sort
of
the
eyes
and
ears,
and
there
are
parameters
written
in
the
ordinance
for
council
consideration
and
we've
certainly
got
a
lot
of
public
input,
since
the
ordinance
was
released
on
asking
council
to
consider
making
amendments
or
modifications
to
it-
and
I
know
at
the
meeting
at
seven
o'clock
we'll
have
some
of
that
discussion,
but
we
did
want
the
chief
to
make
some
comments
about
the
impact
on
the
public
safety
and
how
it
would
be
enforced
and,
and
so
on.
B
I
will
say,
as
the
chief
comes
to
the
podium
we
were
discussing,
we
would
envision
from
an
enforcement
standpoint.
It
would
be
very,
very
similar,
but
probably
a
little
more
intense
as
when
the
governor
started,
allowing
so-called
essential
businesses
to
reopen
back
in
may
and
he
set
up
a
hotline
andy
also.
There
was
a
method
for
businesses
to
get
permission
to
open
from
the
department
of
commerce,
and
we
were
receiving
a
lot
of
telephone
calls
about
various
businesses
about
this
business.
How
can
it
be
open?
B
I
thought
the
lock
down
was
in
effect,
so
we
were.
I
would
envision
similar
sort
of
exercises
should
something
like
this
happen.
So
chief,
I
just.
I
think
the
council
wanted
to
hear
some
of
your
comments
regarding
impact
for
public
safety
and
I
will
one
final
prefacing
statement.
I
know
the
chief
has
told
me-
and
I
will
say
this
as
well.
Ultimately,
whatever
council
chooses
to
consider
for
passage
if
anything
passes,
we
will
enforce
it.
B
L
Thank
you,
council
great
to
see
you
again
for
you
today
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
those
impacts,
because
several
of
you
reached
out
to
me
on
to
see
what
that
may
may
look
like,
and
so
of
course,
try
not
to
reinvent
the
wheel
totally.
We
looked
at
other
places
that
may
have
had
something
that
was
successful
because
the
ultimate
goal
from
council
was.
L
I
was
hearing
at
some
level
that,
with
the
mask
ordinance,
how
how
would
we
enforce
that
and
so
we're
running
a
a
nearly
150
calls
already
a
day,
and
so
we
saw
as
stewart
mentioned,
the
impact
with
the
emergency
declaration
from
the
governor
trying
to
make
sure
we.
It
was
very
fluid,
so
keeping
up
with
the
information
and
trying
to
get
that
enforced.
L
L
Businesses
are
allowed
to
ask
people
to
leave
for
whatever
reason,
and
so
this
would
be
something
if
they,
you
know
interested
in
protecting
their
family
and
the
public
to
ensure
the
mass
is
being
warned,
and
so
I
know
it's
a
fluid
situation.
Things
have
evolved
very
quickly
with
this
and
continue
to
change
so
the
more
eyes
and
ears
that
we
do
have
out
there.
I
think
the
better,
however,
we're
just
here
to
try
to
accomplish
what
council
sets
forward
for
us
with
this
ordinance.
I
know
there's
probably
many
questions
I
can.
L
You
know
work
in
into
the
details
as
the
ordinance.
I
understand
it,
but
that's
sort
of
the
overview
of
what
the
thought
process
in
in
this
ordinance
was
was
taking
place.
L
Not
that
I'm
aware
we've
had
a
couple
calls
where
folks
that
have
signs
currently
on
their
door
and
there
hasn't
been
a
situation
that
could
not
have
been
resolved
already.
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
question
because
so
again,
this
ordinance
was
semi-based
on
the
town
election.
L
I've
talked
to
their
chief
and
assistant
chief
and
they've
had
a
great
warm
reception
from
their
community
to
as
a
partnership
to
be
able
to
resolve
and
accomplish
the
mass
coordinates
through
that
cooperative
effort,
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
the
education
and
communication
that
everybody
understands
what's
really
going
on.
H
And
I
just
want
to
add
miss
gail.
I
received
a
couple
well
more
than
a
couple
calls
from
from
business
owners
where
they've
requested
a
mass
to
be
worn
and
the
patron
has
refused
and
has
continued
to
shop
and
finish
and
leave
and
they've
just
tolerated
it.
And
so
it's
happening,
unfortunately,
but
I
think
they're
just
being
patient
and
trying
to
keep
things
calm.
K
Calls
from
some
of
the
businesses
downtown
who
feels
like
you
know
they
are
wearing
masks
to
protect
the
people
that
come
in,
but
the
people
that
come
in
are
not
wearing
masks.
So,
of
course,
that's
putting
them
at
risk
because
you
have
to
you
wear
masks
to
protect
each
other.
K
L
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
commit
to
council
and
I've
already
talked
to
the
city
manager
about
this
is
we've
even
reclassified,
some
of
our
nature
codes
in
our
dispatch
center.
So
we
can
better
track
this.
What
calls
whatever
is
put
in
place?
We
can
track
that
better.
So
if
it
becomes
an
issue,
we
can
come
back
to
council
and
say
you
know
we're
seeing
an
uptick
here
or
struggling
to
get
calls
you
know
of
colors
to
calls
for
service
in
this
area.
L
K
Do
we
have
those
ache
and
safe
the
little.
K
Stickers,
I
know
I
got
to
work
this
morning.
I
was
out
all
last
week
and
I
saw
one
in
my
window,
my
at
my
office-
and
I
was
just
wondering-
are
they
in
all
the
businesses
downtown?
We.
B
Have
been
well,
we
distributed
them
to
the
folks
that
had
the
business
licenses
all
around
the
city
we
did
not
require,
I
mean
they
weren't
mandated
to
put
them
up.
It
was
optional,
but
a
lot
of
businesses
have
put
them
in
the
windows.
B
Yes-
and
I
want
to
say,
gary
meadows
did
a
good
job
putting
that
together
very
quickly,
because
I
believe
we
put
it
together
in
about
a
day's
time
after
the
the
initial
resolution
was
was
authored.
B
L
L
B
B
And
share
with
the
I
know,
the
city
attorney
and
the
chief
and
I
have
had
this
conversation
in
terms
of
standing
and
who
can
and
call
or
or
what
have
you.
But
if
I'm
up,
if
I'm
a
patron
in
a
store
without
a
mask
and
the
chief
is
a
patron
and
sees
me
without
a
mask,
he
really
can't
as
a
citizen
call
public
safety
because
he
doesn't
have
standing.
It
would
really
need
this.
As
the
citizen.
He
would
need
to
report
it
to
a
store,
employee
or
shopkeeper.
L
B
Would
be
an
education
component,
but
we
could
not
charge
based
on
a
citizen
complaint,
an
individual
with
trespassing
and
we've
talked.
We
went
and
talked
to
a
number
of
big
box
stores
and
the
consistent
theme
was
they
have.
They
follow
local
ordinances
and
guidelines.
So
if
we
have
a
mask
ordinance,
they
will
require
masks
if
they,
if
we
don't,
they
will
not
we've.
B
I
know
one
local
big
box,
home
improvement
store,
has
signs
in
the
managers
or
in
an
office
that
says,
you
know,
must
wear
masks
to
enter,
but
they've
not
posted
them,
because
we
do
not
have
an
ordinance,
for
example,
and
that's
that's
the
reason.
So.
The
the
corporate,
the
so-called
big
box
corporate
policy
will
be
to
follow
what
the
local
government's
policy
is.
D
It's
got
to
be
you're,
forcing
the
business
person
to
make
a
decision
there
and
you're
forcing
them
to
be
the
one
to
make
the
call
and
forcing
them
if
they
have
two
customers
come
in
they're,
both
good
customers.
One's
got
to
match
one's,
not
they
have
to
make
a
choice,
we're
putting
them
in
a
position
of
doing
the
policing,
and
they
don't
think
they
like
that.
That's
not
what
they
want
to
do
this
on
the
flip
side
of
it
is
if,
if.
D
B
Well,
I
will
say,
with
the
farmers
market
specifically
I've
been
waiting
to
see.
I
was
ready
to
pass
or
to
put
in
a
policy
for
city-owned
property,
but
when
council
asked
to
consider
an
ordinance
I'd
wanted
to
wait
until
we
determined
what
direction
council
wanted
to
go
in,
but
with
the
farmers
market
specifically,
there
will
be
a
a
mass
requirement.
B
Whether
I
just
wanted
to
see
what
council's
direction
is
tonight,
whether
or
not
what
type
of
ordinance
or
policy
we
will
have,
because
I
didn't
want
to
pass
a
policy
that
was
not
in
lock
step
with
the
council.
Ordinance
then
have
to
change
it
a
week
or
so
later,
but
with
the
farmer's
market
that
should
get
resolved
for
this
weekend
with
the
alley
the
alley.
B
I
know,
that's
that's
a
little
different,
but
it
is
city-owned
property
and,
as
I
understand
it,
if
you're
dining
in
the
alley,
if
you're,
actively
dining
or
drinking
you
do
not
have
to
have
a
covering
on.
But
if
I'm,
if
a
group
of
folks
are
congregating
and
they're
not
doing
in
the
act
of
drinking
or
eating,
they
can
be
asked
to
move
on
and
socially
distance
distant.
D
M
D
D
D
M
So
there
I
mean
there's
any
number
of
different
ways
that
city
council
can
approach.
The
mass
coordinates.
Okay,
one
is
trespassing
the
thought
behind
doing
it
as
a
trespassing
violation
comes
from
businesses
that
want
to
make
sure
that
their
customers
wear
masks,
but
so
far
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
legally
tell
them
to
do
that
and
and
have
the
patron
expect
to
comply.
M
F
M
L
Seven
dollars,
but
but
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
most
people
want
to
comply
with
what
the
rules
are,
and
so
this
is
another
way
to
have
more
people
engaged
and
actively
being
safety,
safety
accomplishing
the
goal
of
wearing
the
mask.
So
public
safety
could
absolutely
write
a
bunch
of
tickets
or
carry
boxes
of
masks
around
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
engage
more
people
when
we
have,
I
think,
the
community
as
a
whole,
just
like
with
any
criminal
situation,
the
more
people
involved
in
it,
the
more
effective
it's
going
to
be.
A
Let
me
add
to
what
the
chief
has
said,
with
the
ordinance
that
savannah
has
has.
They
have
not
been.
They
have
not
given
any
tickets,
as
you've
said
attorney
smith
and
people
have
complied
with
the
officer,
giving
them
a
mask
and
putting
the
mask
on.
A
F
I
L
Well,
we
would
work
and
document
that
we
had
a
discussion
with
the
business
owners
and
that
would
ultimately
be
a
city
council
decision
on
what
ramifications
you
know:
they're
they're,
a
discu
again,
I
I
go
back
and
to
give
the
community
our
credit.
Most
people
want
to
comply.
F
L
H
And
some
of
the
businesses
that
have
have
called
me
that
gave
me
a
perspective
that
I
hadn't
thought
about
until
they
explained
it
to
me,
was
you
know
the
situation
right
now
is
tough
every
person,
whether
they're
for
or
against
masks.
I
need
their
business
and
for
me
to
go
out
there
and
tell
them
hey.
You
know
I
need
you
to
wear
a
mask
and
they
get
upset
and
they
leave
and
I
lose
that
business.
H
It's
happening,
it's
a
reality,
andrea.
We
are
we're
just
trying
to
make
it
through
and
I
said
well
well.
How
would
this
help?
I
asked
them
and
they
said
well,
if
it's
an
ordinance
through
the
city,
people
will
comply
because
it's
a
rule
and
to
your
point
most
of
the
community
will
comply,
and
so
I
exp
I
said
this
to
them.
H
If
it
takes
that
push
for
them
to
be
able
to
increase
their
revenues
and
keep
those
doors
open
by
saying
it's
not
me,
it's
the
city,
I'm
okay,
with
that
I'll
assume
that
responsibility
in
a
heartbeat,
because
that's
the
perspective
I
was
given
in
the
last
week
that
really
really
the
desperation
and
these
business
owners
boys
is,
is
something
to
really
consider
and
which
I
did
so.
D
H
L
L
L
Well,
islam,
I
mean
if,
if
we,
if
they
weren't
there,
when
we
got
them,
got
there,
we
would
have
to
have
the
business
owner,
but
if
we
were
there
and
the
business
owner
said
yes,
I
told
this
person
to
leave
and
they
refused
to
leave.
You
know
all
that's
recorded
on
our
body
cams
and
that
kind
of
stuff
it
there
are
times
that
they
wouldn't
have
to
come,
but
it
really
depends
on
the
situation.
What.
H
E
Chief,
could
I
ask
you
something
thank
first
of
all
thank
you
for
being
here,
and
so
you
said,
if
you
did
that,
and
then
they
refused
to
leave
or
become
abrasive
to
use
a
nice
word,
you
would
charge
them
with
a
misdemeanor.
Is
that
correct
and
that
would
be
30
days
in
jail
or
a
thousand
dollars.
L
Well
it
and
it
could,
it
could
fluctuate
anywhere
within
the
parameters
of
what
that
fine
could
be,
but
it
could
be
up
to
a
thousand
eighty,
seven
dollars
and
thirty
days
in
jail.
But.
L
I
I
need
to
check
the
whatever
the
court
administration
says,
but
it's
probably
between
it
could
be
150
or
250.
Up
to
that
I
know
the
max
is
1087.
H
I
M
The
in
my
own,
the
the
ordinance,
requires,
if
you're
a
business
subject
to
this
ordinance,
then
the
operator
of
the
business
shall
ensure
that
all
people
entering
the
building
are
in
compliance.
Okay.
So
if
there's
any
scenario
where
they're,
not
in
compliance,
the
building
owner
has
a
business
owner,
has
a
legal
obligation
to
true
compliance.
M
F
I
A
I
And
it
really
comes
down
to
expectations.
I
think
the
community
is
as
a
as
a
whole
we'll
do
this.
We
just
got
to
ask
them
to
do
it
and
do
we
want
to
make
a
law
that
makes
you,
I
guess
the
law
for
you
not
to
do
it.
I
mean
that's
where
I'm
questioning
it,
but
that's.
That's
all
healthy
discussion.
Sure.
F
I
Resolution
and
the
fact
that
we
didn't
talk
about
a
resolution
at
our
meeting
before
the
fourth
of
july.
We
talked
about
doing
an
ordinance.
The
resolution
wasn't
enough.
Before
we
even
passed
the
resolution,
then
we
passed
the
resolution.
It
was
fourth
of
july
weekend
and
it
it
just
loses
control,
and
then
they
can
standard
even
runs
a
column
before
the
weekend's
over
that
we
need
an
ordinance
before
we
even
tried
to
get
people
to
follow
the
resolution.
I
We
didn't,
we
really
didn't,
give
it
a
chance.
You
know,
in
my
estimation
now
I
think
more
people
are
wearing
masks
and
we
still
got
a
ways
to
go.
Yet
I
agree
with
that.
I'm
not
against
everybody
wearing
a
mask.
I
just
think
we
need
to
emphasize
it
and
get
people
to
do
it.
Put
signs
up.
That
say:
please
wear
a
mask.
99
of
the
people.
If
you
put
a
sign
up,
says
please
wear
a
mask.
99
of
them
are
going
to
wear
a
mask.
You
think
so
I
think
so
at
a
store.
G
K
B
I
K
There
was-
and
you
know
so
they
can.
D
K
F
L
H
Not
everybody
is
chief,
and
I
discuss
that
specific
topic,
and
I
want
you
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
chief.
In
the
event,
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
businesses
doing
that.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
more
on
the
patron
side,
but
in
the
event
that
happens,
just
to
resonate
with
chief
said
is
right
now
by
law.
Restaurants
and
eating
establishments
have
to
abide
by
dhek
and
cdc
guidelines.
Okay,
that's
that's!
That's
a
that's
the
rule
right!
That's
how
it
works.
H
Yes,
and
so,
if
a
patron
comes
in
and
sees
oh,
my
gosh
nobody's
everybody's
prepping,
my
food
they're,
touching
my
food
they're
not
wearing
masks
and
by
the
way
I've
seen
it
yeah
and
it
makes
you
uncomfortable.
But
let's
say
somebody
were
to
call
public
safety
chief,
you
public
safety.
Your
team
would
show
up
and
and
do
what
yeah.
L
So
we
would
go
and
talk
to
the
business
owners
just
like
this
ordinance.
We
would
talk
to
them
and
say
that
city,
council
and
other
entities
are,
you
know,
requiring
certain
specifications
go
on
to
be
open
and
stay
open
and
keep
everybody
safe,
and
we
would
document
that
and
turn
it
over.
Those
respective
parties.
A
K
I
I'll
go
ahead
and
say
this
too:
it
would
help
us
tremendously.
I
mean
the
county's
not
going
to
do
anything,
so
we
are
like
a
little
island
in
the
middle
of
this
county,
that's
as
big
as
rhode
island
and
we
need
the
governor
would
pass
something
that
says:
everybody's
got
to
do
it
and
that
now
we've
got
something
we
can
work
with.
I
find
this
very
difficult
for
you
for
your
staff
or
our
public
safety
to
deal
with
it.
It's
going
to
be
very,
very
hard,
no
matter
what
we
do,
we
all
want
to
do.
A
But
that
is
why
it's
called
an
emergency
ordinance
when
there,
when
we
determine
that
it
is
an
emergency,
and
I
don't
want
to
regurgitate
the
things
that
was
said
at
the
last
meeting.
That's
at
stake
right
now
with
our
schools
with
our
businesses,
the
quicker
we
move
forward
and
see
what
kind
of
results
we
can
get
the
better
off
we're
all
going
to
be.
I
think.
I
I
pray
we
get
results
that
they
can
go
to
school,
because
kids
do
need
to
go
to
school
amen.
I
don't
know
that
that's
going
to
be
the
deciding
factor
along
the
way,
but
I
mean
it's
worth
trying
it
is
to
do
that.
I
mean,
and
the
governor
is
saying
that
there's
going
to
be
football,
if
you
want
to
have
football,
you
got
to
wear
a
mask
that
doesn't
work
and
it's
not
going
to
be
football.
A
If,
before
you
leave
chief,
the
other
thing
that
I'd
like
to
state
as
well,
if
whatever
passes
tonight,
if
we
need
to
come
back
a
call,
a
special
meeting
to
look
at
some
other
things
that
we
need
to
put
in
place,
we
can
do
that.
True.
That
option
is
for
us
whether
it's
I.
D
F
D
I
don't
know
how
I'm
going
to
do
that,
but
I
I
would
have
hoped
since
you
all
had
the
sense
of
counsel
on
this.
Actually
I
thought
I
was
on
council.
I
didn't
get
any
sense.
I
was
involved
in
it,
but
I'd
like
to
know
how
we're
going
to
address
the
outdoor
activities
and
not
just
specifically
the
farmer
mark,
but
any
of
them.
We
have
a
lot
of
events
around
town.
B
I
hope-
and
just
so
I
understand
so
if,
if
somebody,
if
john
doe
or
jane
doe,
is
walking
down
the
sidewalk
down
richland
avenue
and
they're
not
wearing
a
mask
and
they're
by
themselves,
we
would
want
public
safety
to
stop
them
and
sight
them
with
it.
B
That's
that's
the
point.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
when
you
sit
outdoors,
so
it's
the
social
distancing
and
regardless
of
indoors
or
outdoors
and
having
a
mask.
If
you
can't
social
distance.
H
I
L
I
mean
if
we
see
it
in
the
public,
we're
gonna,
I
mean
just
like
we
see
anything
I
mean
and
unless
we're
on
a
way
to
another
call
that
may
be
more
of
a
priority
than
that,
then
then
we
would
stop
and
deal
with
it.
L
F
L
Here's
an
example
of
like
an
a
city
ordinance
that
currently
exists.
It
only
happens
a
couple
times
a
year,
shooting
fireworks,
and
so
when
we
go
and
deal
with
the
fireworks
complaint,
sometimes
folks
may
be
from
out
of
town
or
something
and
we
encourage
them
and
and
explain
the
ordinance
to
them
before
most
folks
say
you
know
what
I'm
sorry,
I
I
didn't
know
or
didn't.
F
G
L
I
B
And
yes,
we
are
not
approving
any
noise
ordinance
variances
for
the
time
being,
and
that
is
correct.
Well,.
I
B
But
that's
we.
That
is
one
way,
we're
kind
of
controlling
those
that
congregating
like
that
right
is
not
approving
noise
ordinances.
But
yes,
that
particular
venue
is
unique
because
a
portion
is
in
the
city
limits
and
a
portion
is
out
so
accordingly,
we
do
not
have
jurisdiction
from
a
law
enforcement
standpoint
on
the
whole
parcel.
F
B
There
aren't
very,
thankfully
there's
not
very
many
venues,
I
I
won't
say
they're
the
only
one,
but
we
can
probably
count
on
one
hand.
The
number
of.
B
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
we
have
met
with.
We've
had
several
work
sessions
about
recycling
with
council
and
at
our
last
meeting
we
were
given
a
directive
to
work
with
the
with
our
provider,
and
I
think
you've
got
at
your
desk
a
sheet.
Let
me
give
some
backstory
about
recycling.
B
What
we
have
with
recycling
is
we've
had
a
program
since
1990
and
we
went
back
to
2007.08
and
sarah.
Do
you
have
that
spreadsheet
for
kim
the
okay
in
front
of
you
that
we
put
together
that
has
sort
of
the
background
on
our
recycling
so
sort
of
where
we
are
and
how
we
got
here?
Basically,
we
have,
since
april
2010
we've
not
had
to
pay
anybody
to
take
our
recycling,
which
is
extremely
unusual.
It's
been
to
our
benefit.
We've
saved
a
tremendous
amount
of
money.
B
Before
the
pandemic
and
stated
that
he
was
losing
money
and
was
not
going
to
be
able
to
continue
to
take
our
recycling
for
free
and
obviously
we
were
sympathetic
to
that
because
in
looking
at
the
chart
that
you
have
it
is,
we
were
in
a
very
fortunate
position
to
not
have
to
pay
to
take
recycling
for
over
10
years.
B
We
discussed
it
with
our
with
our
provider
dumpster
depot
and
ultimately,
we
had
a
limit
in
what
we
were
willing
to
potentially
pay
dumpster
depot,
and
we
had
discussions
with
staff
and
with
council.
I
think
you
were
very
clear
on
what
that
number
was
and
we
had
a
good
conversation
with
dumpster
with
el.
It's
actually
greenworks
llc
is
the
actual
business.
It
is
not
dumpster
depot.
B
Let
me
correct
that,
but
we
had
a
discussion
with
with
the
owner
and
ultimately
he
said
that
he
could
not
make
his
numbers
work.
I
respect
that.
As
a
businessman
I
mean
as
a
business
person
you're
in
business
to
make
money,
but
obviously
we're
a
consumer
of
his
service
and
it's
a
two-way
street
as
any
negotiation
is
in
terms
of
coming
up
with
a
number.
B
The
option
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
now
again,
one
of
council's
goals
that
we
kept
in
mind,
was
running
when
you
run
this
division
as
a
department.
As
an
enterprise
fund,
you
try
to
have
your
costs
break.
Even
we
have
north
augusta
prior
to
july
of
2015
was
where
we
took
our
recycling
to.
B
They
are
able
to
take
our
recycling
back.
They
and
we've
been
going
back
and
forth
with
an
agreement
with
them.
They
would
have
to
take
the
they
would
charge
us
to
take
recycling
48
dollars,
a
ton
which,
based
on
our
average
usage,
would
we
would
be
able
to
not
ask
our
customers
to
to
pay
more,
at
least
for
this
fiscal
year,
and
if
we
want
to
continue
your
recycling
program,
I
think
right
now,
that's
our
own.
That
is
our
only
option.
B
We,
we
are
ready
to
pursue
that
relationship
with
north
augusta.
I
think
we
have
lex
kirkland
our
director
he's
on
the
telephone
he's
unable
to
attend
he's
taken
he's
on
vacation
this
week.
So
I'm
glad
he's
joining
us-
and
I
know
kim
has
been
work
talking
to
north
augusta
about
that
agreement
as
well,
but
we
wanted
to
kind
of
share
where
we
are
with
our
updates,
but
I
know
the
proprietor
of
greenworks
has
shared
with
us
that
he's
we
just
can't
make
the
numbers
work
and
he
would
be
able
to.
B
He
believes,
make
money,
potentially
with
other
endeavors,
using
the
space
that
he
currently
uses
for
recycling
and
that's
that's
sort
of
where
the
situation
is
right.
Now
I
think,
from
a
direction
standpoint.
I
think
we
would
like
to
pursue
working
with
north
augusta
if
we
want
to
get
the
goals
to
continue
the
recycling
program,
and
we
need
to
continue
to
monitor
the
cost
report
back
to
council
and
then,
as
we
move
into
the
budget
process
for
the
next
fiscal
year,
we
are
going
to
have
to
face.
Do
we
continue
recycling?
B
Maybe
there
will
be
another
option
at
that
time,
but
north
augusta
has
agreed
to
take
our
recycling.
Should
we
we've
not
executed
any
documents,
but
they've
agreed
to
do
that.
Should
we
want
to
pursue
that
through
june
30th
of
next
year,
and
I
mean
ms
abney
I
delegated
that
this
task
to
her,
and
do
you
have
anything
else
that
we
need
to
add
at
this
point
and
mr
kirkland,
if
you're,
if
you're
on
the
phone
feel
free
to
add
something
to?
If
you
need
to.
N
N
I
think
super
district
jobs
covering
it
and
I
don't
have
anything
to
add
at
this
time.
E
B
Correct
that
we
would
not
recommend
a
rate
increase
at
this
time.
However,
we
do
believe
well,
a
lot
of
it
does
depend
on
the
commodities
market.
It's
like
purchasing
gasoline
for
your
vehicle.
It
does
fluctuate,
however,
we've
been
the
commodities
market
has
been
not
very
healthy
if
you're
in
the
recycling
business.
So
if
you
notice,
we
were
paying
north
augusta
thousands
of
dollars
a
month,
4
000
plus
dollars
a
month
10
years
ago,
plus
and
with
the
commodities
market
was
so
healthy.
B
They
wanted
more
and
we
didn't
have
to
pay
after
april
of
10.
same
with
with
green
works,
but
unfortunately,
all
good
things
must
come
to
an
end.
We
hope
temporarily-
and
that's
that's
where
we
are
right
now.
B
Yes,
he
we
thought
we
had
an
agreement.
He
met
with
his
financial
person
and
and
norman
dunnigan
met
with
myself
and
with
kim
abney
lex
kirkland
and
kimberly
rooks
our
finance
director,
and
we
also
john
carman
and
ron
de
la
mora,
and
I
believe,
ron's
here
yep
from
the
ene
committee.
B
We
thought
we
had
a
number
that
norman
was
comfortable
with
and
after
sleeping
on
it
so
to
speak.
He
contacted
me
the
next
day
and
he
met
with
ms
abney
and
I
and
just
said
that
he
could
not
make
that
number
work
and
it
was
in
line
with
what
council
directed
staff
to
pursue
with
him,
which
was
in
the
range
of
about
four
thousand
dollars
a
month.
A
And
so
stuart
the
status
is
right
now
that
this,
as
you
stated,
I
think
earlier
this
ends
the
end
of
this
month.
Is
that
right?
He.
B
Would
like
it-
and
I
understand
mr
dunnigan-
was
gracious
enough
to
continue
to
accept
recycling,
but
he
said
he
would
like
us
to
extricate
or
stop
by
around
august.
The
1st
july
31st,
so
certainly
north
augusta
is
willing.
If,
if
council
wishes
to
pursue
this,
we
can
the
customers,
our
blue
roll
cart.
Customers
will
see.
No
change,
should
we
pursue
it
with
north
augusta.
We
would
just
instead
of
taking
it
to
the
outskirts
of
town
on
the
university.
B
Parkway
would
take
it
over
to
north
augusta,
as
we
did
prior
to
july
of
2015.
F
B
I
know
council's
been
very
clear.
This
council
and
prior
councils
we
to
run
a
lean,
efficient,
solid
waste
operation,
so,
as
you
can
see,
we've
had
since
2007,
just
three
rate
increases
over
14
years
and
I
think
that's
a
tribute
to
well
it's
a
combination
of
two
things:
how
efficient
the
operation
ran,
but
frankly
we
ran
the
solid
waste
from
07
to
2015
in
the
general
fund,
so
the
general
fund
was
able
to
make
up
any
rate
short
for
any
revenue
shortfalls
since
july
of
15.
That's
one
good
thing.
B
I
think
one
of
many
good
things
councils
have
done
recently
was
to
put
it
as
a
standalone
enterprise
like
water,
sewer
and
storm
water.
So
it
makes
it
a
lot
more
efficient
operation.
B
We
do
I
mean
it
would
not
require
additional
equipment.
Certainly,
we've
got
equipment
replacement
as
part
of
our
normal
budgeting
operations,
as
we
do
every
year.
K
B
B
We
will
need
to
evaluate
this,
buys
us
some
time
to
evaluate
the
program
and
what
we
could
potentially
do
I'll
be
honest,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
the
commodities
market,
but
knowing
how
the
market
has
been
the
last
year
and
a
half
to
two
years.
I
don't
expect
a
wild
fluctuation
to
where
we're
going
to
have
to.
We
won't
have
to
pay
to
deposit
our
recycling
with
north
augusta
within
the
within
the
next
few
months.
I
hope
I'm
wrong.
I'm
woefully
grossly
wrong,
but
I
don't
expect
that.
H
F
G
Okay,
and
I
think
that's
been
demonstrated
over
the
years,
we've
had
things
like
the
solar
training
program
at
various
places
throughout
the
city,
we've
had
the
solar
subscription
program
that,
with
the
city
attorney
and
the
city
manager,
we
negotiated
within
a
couple
weeks
and
saved
us
at
least
eighteen
thousand
dollars.
So
far
at
the
last
report,
we've
had
earth
day
which
you're
familiar
with
as
a
self-funded
committee
through
earth
day,
we've
generated
surplus
funds
and
recently
about
18
months
ago,
made
an
offer
to
the
city
to
provide
3
500
towards
electric
vehicle
charging
stations.
G
The
committee
wrote
a
responsible
letter,
a
respectful
letter
to
city
council,
stating
that
we,
as
a
committee,
disagreed
with
the
policy
change
at
the
time
to
go
to
every
other
week
of
recycling
pickup.
We
thought
it
was
untimely
environmental
messaging.
We
thought
it
was
the
wrong
message
for
personal
stewardship
environmental
stewardship,
and
then
we
projected
that
intuitively.
G
We
felt
that,
with
the
change
to
the
every
other
week,
pickup
that
the
collections
of
recyclables
would
actually
decline,
and
in
that
letter
we
said
we
would
like
to
have
the
review
in
six
months
of
the
actual
activity
and
then
again
after
one
year,
and
we
met
on
on
both
of
those
timetables
and
in
both
cases.
The
excuse
me
here
for
a
sec.
The
decline
in
recyclables
was
perceptible
and
trending
down,
and
the
last
report
that
we
have
is
that
versus,
let's
call
it
beginning
of
1917.
G
Our
our
real
goal
tonight
is
twofold,
and
and
especially
after
two
comments
or
that
stewart
made
he
used
the
word
if
the
recyclable
program
continues
and
our
interest
as
a
committee
and
our
recommendation
as
a
committee
is
that
recyclable
program
continue,
and
we
would
also
strongly
suggest
that
we
go
back
to
a
weekly
pickup
rather
than
the
current
situation
that
we
have
for.
My
next
comment.
My
premise
is:
is
that
the
city
wants
to
maintain
a
recycling
program.
G
Notwithstanding
the
fact
that
stuart
twice
said,
if
there's
a
recycling
program,
the
city
has
benefited
with
a
free
ride
on
this
recycling
program,
at
least
for
the
last
four
or
five
years.
Let's
call
it
that,
and
but
the
economic,
the
economics
have
changed
in
the
last
five
years,
and
one
of
those
economics
stuart,
referred
to
was
a
decline
in
the
commodity
prices.
G
So
when,
when
dunnigan
said,
we'll
do
the
recycling
program,
part
of
his
business
plan,
of
course,
was
I'll,
make
some
money's
off
the
recyclables,
okay,
the
commodity
prices
and
it's
a
known
business
risk
and
commodities
that
they're
up
and
down
and
sideways
and
every
other
way.
So
he
would
know
that
okay,
but
what
he
didn't
know
is
that
that
council
would
change
the
policy
to
every
other
week.
G
So
what
happened
to
him
over
time
is
that
36
percent
of
his
business
went
away
because
the
recyclables
was
down,
so
his
operating
costs
differ
differed,
whatever
profits
he
could
generate
or
whatever
everything
all
the
dynamics
change,
which
is
what
forced
the
situation
that
we
find
ourselves
in
now.
You
know
where
he's
saying
I
need
some
help.
G
So,
regardless
of
what
the
city
does
going
forward,
there's
going
to
be
a
price
increase,
you
know
you
should
pat
yourselves
on
the
back
for
the
monies
you
didn't
pay
for
all
these
years.
You
know,
but
going
forward
there
will
be
an
increase,
and
so
stuart
said
before
there's
two
options:
dumpster
depot.
F
G
And
north
augusta-
and
it's
not
our
job
as
a
committee
to
try
to
broker
and
negotiate.
You
know
what
goes
on
with
with
the
vendors,
but
but
we
would
say
that
it
is
more
than
obvious
that
that
done
again
as
a
has
a
presence
here
with
several
businesses,
several
employees
has
done
a
wonderful
job.
Nobody
has
critiqued
what
dumpster
depot
has
done
in
a
negative
fashion
whatsoever
going
with
north
augusta.
I'm
glad
that
the
council
has
an
alternative.
G
You
know,
but
the
reality
is
is
that
the
reality
is.
From
my
perspective,
our
perspective,
I
should
say
it.
That
way
is
that
if
we
engage
with
north
augusta
on
a
short-term
contract
basis,
which
is
what
has
been
said,
at
least
in
our
presence,
so
we're
looking
at
six
months
or
whatever
you
know
we're
going
to
have
the
same
conversation
and
another
six
months
saying
whoa,
the
price
just
went
up
because
we
will
have
no
options
as
a
city
at
that
point,
so
our
point
would
be.
G
A
G
K
B
Yes,
through
june
30th
of
21.
B
Would
we
would
come
back
and
start
evaluating
again
because
I
think
I
don't
know
from
a
staff
perspective
council,
as
a
body
has
been
very
clear.
We
want
to
try
to
continue
recycling,
but
also
it
it's
one
factor
of
several
continue
recycling,
but
also
have
a
service
with
keeping
the
costs
maintained
and
as
low
as
possible.
B
That's
a
so-called
three-legged
stool
approach.
I
think
council
addressed
the
some
of
the
yard
waste
issues
by
modifying
our
yard
waste
ordinance
lat
early
this
year,
because
that's
a
large
driver
of
our
costs
going
to
the
single
arm
or
the
automated
trucks
helps
as
well,
which
we've
been
doing
primarily
with
garbage.
So,
yes,
we
have
that
three-legged,
stool,
we're
constantly
tweaking
and
addressing
and
you're
right
previous
council
several
councils
ago
said
we
want.
B
We
did
not
want
a
rate
increase
and
then
late
2016,
that's
when
the
choice
was
made
to
go
to
every
other
week,
recycling
and
the
primary
driver.
I
won't
say
it's
the
only
but
my
wreck.
My
memory
is
that
the
primary
driver
was
to
keep
the
overall
17
rate
and
not
have
a
rate
increase
and
going
to
every
other
week.
Recycling
was
viewed
as
the
that
was
council's,
preferred
way
to
address
keeping
the
fund
at
17
a
month
per
customer.
F
G
So
we
fully
understand
that,
but
you
said
a
moment
ago,
you
know
our
point
here
is
I'll,
say
it
again.
Maintain
the
recycling
program
hopefully
go
back
to
twice
a
week,
and
if
we
have
an
agreement
going
forward
with
dumpster
depot
or
north
augusta,
that
would
be
multi-year
yeah.
That
is
our
recommendation.
As
a
committee.
A
E
J
I
assume
there's
a
fee
for
putting
materials
in
a
landfill.
I
also
assume
that
there's
in
addition
to
this
48,
a
ton
that
you're
going
to
be
charged
by
north
augusta
and
the
primary
reason
by
the
way
we
switched
from
north
augusta
to
dumpster
depot's
facility
in
the
first
place,
was
to
save
the
transportation
costs.
J
B
Correct
there
is,
there
will
be
cost,
obviously,
for
the
round
trip.
The
municipal
recycling
facility
for
north
augusta
is
on
the
is
on
clay
pit
road,
which
is
in
the
area
just
off
where
martin
town,
road
and
highway
one
connect
in
the
schultz,
hill
area
and
lex.
If
lex
is
still
on
there.
He's
he's
done
a
good
job,
putting
the
cost
together
for
our
the
staff
time
and
the
vehicle
equipment
time
out
of
commission
driving
instead
of
to
the
current
location,
just
outside
the
city
limits
to
to
north
augusta.
N
Obviously,
there'll
be
a
cost
associated
with
that
you
know
it's
gonna
be
about
a
35
mile
round
trip.
You
know.
So
that's
not
ideal.
You
know
compared
to
what
what
we
have
had.
You
know
the
last
few
years
with
dreamworks,
but
it's
an
adjustment
that
that
that
we're
figuring
into
the
into
the
math
when
we're
looking
at
it.
N
N
Yeah
yeah
the
full
year
that'd
be
for
52
weeks.
You
know
which,
without
knowing
exactly
what
the
fuel
costs
are
going
to
be.
You
know
that
that
would
be
a
pretty
fair
estimate.
F
J
J
Five
years
ago,
this
council
decided
to
move
the
business
from
north
augusta
and
give
it
to
norm
to
save
money,
and
I'm
sure
you
saved
a
lot
of
money.
Although
I
never
saw
the
report
on
how
much
was
saved
in
that
transition,
but
there
must
have
been
a
good
amount
or
you
wouldn't
have
done
it
and
then,
during
the
next
five
years
you
saved
that
money
for
another
five
years.
J
J
I
can
guarantee
that
I
was
a
purchasing
professional
for
30
years
and
I
know
how
those
things
work.
You
go
to
a
single
source,
they're,
going
to
start
raising
your
prices,
you're
going
to
lose
money
versus
what
you
have
today
and
beside
that
you're,
going
to
tie
yourself
to
one
source
right
now.
You
have
two
it's
an
ideal
position.
J
J
He
put
two
venues
in
the
alley:
now
you
could
say:
okay,
well,
he's
gonna
make
money
on
those
and
he
might
make
money
on
those,
but
he
took
a
risk,
especially
when
he
put
that
tap
room
in
there.
Nobody
knew
whether
that
was
gonna
work
and
he
put
a
lot
of
money
into
it
because
he
wanted
to
bring
people
downtown,
make
this
city
a
vital
place.
He
loves
the
city.
J
Years
and
when
he
put
in
that
recycling
business,
he
didn't
do
it
to
make
money.
He
did
it
because
he
wanted
to
help
the
city
and
it
turned
out.
What
happened.
Is
he
made
a
deal
with
the
city
and
two
things
happen
as
ron
alluded
to,
one
is
the
price
of
the
commodities
that
he
was
taking
and
went
down,
and
the
primary
reason
it
went
down
is
because
china
stopped
buying
our
recyclable
materials,
so
the
market
went
to
hell.
The
other
reason
is
the
oil
market.
J
J
J
We
don't
really
need
you
anymore.
Now
you
say
you
negotiated
with
him.
I'm
sure
you
did,
but
you
didn't
give
him
what
he
needed.
This
man
is
the
heart
of
aiken.
You
need
to
do
what
you
need
to
do
to
make
him
keep
that
business
going.
I
talked
to
norm
a
couple
days
ago,
and
this
was
after
I
was
told
that
he
pulled
the
plug
and
he
didn't
want
to
do
it
anymore.
J
J
A
J
G
J
J
A
Let
me
let
me
just
comment
that
we
we're
getting
ready
to
move
towards
our
regular
meeting.
We
thank
you
for
your
comments
and
I
do
know
that
and
none
of
our
employees
have
met
with
norm
to
come
to
some
resolution,
so
we
don't
treat
folks
depending
on
who
they
are
one
way
or
another.
It's
a
fairness
issue
and
our
staff
is
very
much
aware
of
the
fairness
issue.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
comments
and
your
advocacy
for
norm.
We
wanted
to
allow
comments
to
be
made
about
recycling.
B
B
And
I
know
the
video
crew
needs
a
few
minutes
to
about
five
to
ten
minutes
to,
I
guess,
pause
and
start
the
the
filming
of
the
actual
meeting.
A
Okay
well,
this
concludes.
There's
no
questions
our
work
session
and
we'll
move
into
our
actual
meeting
in
about
less
than
10
minutes.
Probably
so
is
there
anything
else,
stewart.
B
Nothing
at
this
time.
Thank
you.