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A
Okay,
welcome
to
the
May
first
meeting
of
the
Planning
Commission
for
Athens
city,
the
we
have
a
quorum
today,
peg
cone
sick.
She
asked
me
to
be
as
co-chair
to
take
over.
We
have
an
quorum
for
four
out
of
five
and
there's
the
sign-in
sheet.
Please
sign
in.
If
you
are
planning
on
speaking
and
all
those
people
who
are
planning
on
speaking,
please
stand
up
and
take
the
oath.
Please
I
do.
A
C
C
Package
should
have
had
a
Senate,
EMAP,
Township
section,
eight
kind
of
get
you
in
the
neighborhood
and
then
a
little
more
detail
on
a
drawing
actually
showing
how
long
and
narrow
this
parcel
of
land
is.
It
appears
it
back
sometime
the
1980s
that
Gerald
Bay
hey
a
professional
surveyor
surveyed
out
about
half
of
this
tract.
It
was
owned
at
the
time
by
Newcomb's.
C
You
should
have
a
copy
of
quitclaim
deed
with
two
parcels,
the
one
where
the
house
exists
now
where,
where
there
is
a
residents
and
then
the
strip
of
land,
however,
it
was
transferred,
continuous
and
contiguous,
which
is
just
a
language
term.
That's
used
to
combine
two
parcels
as
opposed
to
doing
a
whole
new
perimeter
survey.
C
C
The
proposal,
then,
would
be
to
be
able
to
split
the
existing
piece
of
property.
It's
actually
has
two
different
descriptions
to
parcel
descriptions,
but
they
have
those
each
stand
alone
and
to
be
recorded
separately
as
individual
Lots,
as
opposed
to
two
combined
tracts,
and
the
request
is
just
for
a
variance
from
section
21.
Oh
four,
oh
six,
a
four
and
from
the
subdivision
regs,
which
says
the
maximum
depth
of
any
lot,
shall
not
be
greater
than
three
times
its
width,
and
in
this
case
it's
8
1.
B
C
There
is
a
section
of
Mulligan
Road
adjacent
to
this
property
that
was
part
of
what
I
believe
was
called
the
Allendale
subdivision
and
the
other
parcel
fronts
on
Mulligan
road.
However,
Mulligan
Road,
some
of
those
Lots
were
split
out
of
farm
Lots.
It
wasn't
a
planted
subdivision,
so
Mulligan
road
is
actually
planted
as
a
subdivision
up
to
a
point
and.
D
C
It's
probably
indicated
on
one
of
the
drawings
the
meets
and
bounds
description
actually
describes
the
acreage
in
and
out
in
the
city
and
out
of
the
city.
There's
this
plat
map
right.
Okay,
so
there's
yeah
on
the
back
yeah
mr.
Bay
haze
may
actually
indicate
his
survey
indicate
the
acreage
in
and
out.
Yes,
it
does.
Okay
point
3o
acres
in
the
township
one
point:
three:
eight:
nine
one
acres
in
the
city:
okay,.
B
Last
question
I
can
think
of
right.
Now
is
I
went
up
there
and
looked
it
looks
like
the
lot
split
would
entail
anybody
building
on
that
lock
going
outside
then
the
new
lot
I
guess
without
the
house
would
require
a
variance
because
it
drops
off
real
quick.
Is
it
a
buildable
lot
I
guess
this
question
I
know
you
can
build
on
anything.
B
C
Yeah,
that's
your
disarray.
One
knows
too.
If
you're
looking
at
a
vacant
lot
as
a
free
service,
you
can
go
to
add
in
soil
and
water,
servation
district
Kevin,
Lewis
who's
who
works
there
will
come
out
to
your
site,
actually
make
an
appraisal.
You
know,
is
there
really
a
buildable
site
here?
If
so
or
there's
some
special
considerations?
C
E
A
E
E
Bob
de
ma
I
do
have
the
this
just
came
yesterday.
So
I
guess
maybe
you
might
like
to
have
copies
I,
don't
know
it's
the
soil
report.
E
E
So
what
I'm
suggesting
is
electic,
whatever
I
don't
know
what
the
right
word
is,
but
to
come
into
compliance
with
the
other.
You
know,
with
the
shape
of
all
those
all
those
other
Lots.
There
is
already
my
argument.
I
guess
would
be
that
there's
already
a
precedent
there
for
the
Lots
being
deeper
than
the
armed
allowed
to
be,
as
opposed
to
the
width.
So,
as
mr.
Pearson
said,
it
was
it's
more
like
8
to
1
and
3
to
1,
but
there's
also
403
other
lots
that
have
already
been
built
on
almost
the
houses.
E
E
A
A
A
A
B
B
I
was
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
line
of
sight
for
that
particularly
lot
as
well,
just
because
it
comes
over
a
little
bit
of
a
hump
there
and
then
goes
down
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
Moe
in
it
well,
but,
as
just
am
I
pointed
out,
there
are
similar
lots
of
downhill
for
me
and
it's
not
really
a
size
issue.
Just
a
shape
issue
have.
E
No
none
at
all
actually
I
have
to
explain
that
I
am
selling
my
house
I
had
a
house
on
76
Mulligan,
Road
and
I
was
selling
and
originally
with
all
the
acreage
together
and
then
you
know,
as
the
housing
market
has
gotten
so
bad
I
ended
up.
Liz
mall,
as
my
realtor
and
I
ended
up
deciding
that
I
would
do
a
smaller
package
with
the
house
and
keep
the
other
one
aside
just
to
lower
the
price
of
the
house
and
as
it
turned
out,
we
did.
We
do
have
a
buyer.
E
The
house
is
under
contract
and
they
know
full
well
in
fact,
I
offered
them
the
other
lot.
If
they
wanted,
they
don't
want
it
and
they're
not
interested
in
in
having
it.
They
said.
If
someone
builds
on
it,
they
would
put
a
privacy
fence
up
the
border
between
the
two,
so
they
seem
to
be
fine
with
it
and
there's
no
one
else.
E
Actually,
who
could
see
that
except
Gary
Hunter
is
a
caddy
corner
from
me
and
I
told
him
what
I
was
doing
and
he
seemed
he
seemed
fine
with
it
so
nets
and
the
houses
too.
As
you're
looking
at
my
house,
the
houses
to
my
left
can't
see
it
and
there's
no
one
else
across
the
street
and
down
that
can
see
it
either.
So
it's
it's
fairly
self
contained
in
that
regard.
E
A
C
A
E
A
That
was
the
cases
for
today.
Next,
we
move
on
to
communications.
We
have
a
resolution
from
Council
ro5
Oh
8.
However,
when
peg
cone
called
me
yesterday
and
said
that
the
people,
the
develop
development
project,
that
it
was
regarding,
asked
her
to
put
it
on
the
back
burner
because
they
did
not
have
one
of
the
people
could
not
show
up
to
it.
Is
that
right
so
right?
So
we
we
are
more
than
happy
to
do
that,
so
so
we
will
schedule
it
for
probably
in
the
next
meeting,
which
is
in
two
weeks.
Is
that
okay?
A
So
so,
if
you're
here
for
that
sorry,
okay,
we
have
a
letter
from
the
Health
Department
record
regarding
the
kunkel
lot
split,
which
was
sent
to
planning
commission
members
yeah.
Okay,
this
is
something
that
we
did
ask
in
order
to
look
at
the
lot
split
and
for
the
consul's,
and
so
basically
it
says
that
there
is
enough
space
for
the
various
parts
of
the
septic
system
that
one
would
need,
so
that
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
major
concerns.
I.
Think
one
of
the
major
concerns
that's
coming
up
almost
on
every
lot.
A
D
F
F
A
A
So
what
I
think
that,
before
anything
goes
forward
with
this,
the
health
department
is
that
he's
saying
that
any
before
any
approval
of
any
septic
design
or
anything,
these
nuisances
have
to
be
cleaned
and
taken
care
of
properly
I
would
I
would
underscore,
though,
I
think
that's
probably
before
adding
to
any
potential
nuisances
with
development
and
and
stuff
I
think
that's
a
good,
a
good
way
to
start
with
a
news,
a
lot.
Okay,.
A
A
A
A
A
C
C
Again,
my
name
is
Steve
Pearce
I'm,
the
director
code
enforcement
for
the
city
of
Athens
in
this
pack
of
information.
What
it
pertains
to
is
a
facility
owned
by
Appalachian
People's,
Action
Coalition,
a
pack
they're
like
a
reuse,
recycle
type,
business
on
route
682,
just
above
the
plains,
on
the
way
to
on
the
way
to
Chauncey.
C
C
C
One
lot
is
actually
in
a
subdivision
called
Tyler
town.
That's
one
portion
of
the
proposed
lot
I'm,
also
in
the
packet.
You
should
have
the
surveyors,
meets
and
bounds
description
and
for
the
proposed
parcel
and
also
the
deed
for
the
existing
parcel,
which
calls
out
metes
and
bounds
out
the
state
route
33,
and
it
does
say
that
includes
lot
19
of
Tyler
town,
which
is
0.2
acres.
C
C
So
there
are
two
different
ways
than
to
get
approval
from
different
types
of
uses:
city,
County,
Health,
Department
signs
off
on
one
three
family
homes
and
everything
else
is
done
by
the
EPA.
Now
there
is
an
existing
sewage
disposal
system
there
that
appears
to
be
functioning
for
the
house.
I
did
speak
to
mr.
hammer
and
he
has
no
authority
to
sign
off
on
it
if
the
proposal
is
for
the
building
to
be
used
for
commercial
purposes.
C
That
actually
then
throws
in
another
little
twist,
and
that
is
to
subdivide
you
have
this.
This
chart
from
subdivision
regs
in
your
packet
in
order
to
subdivide
a
parcel
with
public
water,
but
not
sewer
or
curb
and
gutter
for
residential
purposes.
Our
one
acre
minimum
lot
area
and
this
proposal
is
for
less
than
that.
However,
if
you
look
down
the
second
section,
if
it's
considered
a
commercial
property,
you
only
need
20,000
square
feet
and
then
no
variance
would
be
necessary.
C
C
This
is
not
common
at
all:
I'm
Chuck,
hammer
and
I
did
discuss
it,
and
Chuck
was
going
to
call
the
EPA
to
see
how
in
the
future
we
might
want
to
handle,
handle
such
things.
So
that's
kind
of,
and
actually
what
this
is
all
leading
to
a
proposition
to
split
this
parcel
off.
So
the
house
is
contained
on
a
separate
law
can
be
used
for
separate
purpose,
deeded
separately,
sold
separately,
leveraged
separately,
mortgaged
separately,
and
then
the
actual
AIPAC
facility
would
be
on
its
own
parcel.
G
My
name
is
Jerry
Hartley
I'm,
the
job
coach
coordinator
at
AIPAC.
We
got
into
a
unique
situation
where
a
pack
needed
a
little
money
to
operate
and
we
had
this
piece
of
property
that
we're
paying
taxes
on.
It
has
a
legal
description
for
taxes,
but
not
a
legal
description
to
where
we
could
get
a
loan.
G
We
we
had
rented
the
house,
and
lo
and
behold
it
took
to
240
cubic
yard
dumpsters
to
clean
the
house
out.
So
we
a
pack
the
board,
decided
not
to
rent
the
house
anymore,
but
to
use
it
for
offices
with
just
two
of
us
in
the
office.
The
bank,
the
bank
loans
been
approved
and
everything,
but
we
need
a
legal
description
of
the
property.
B
B
D
D
D
B
G
A
A
A
A
A
Okay:
okay,
when
you
give
a
formal
application
to
Steve,
we
will
assign
a
case
number
to
it,
and
it
will
come
up.
Probably
in
the
next
meeting
depends
on
how
quickly
you
get
your
application
in.
We
have
to
get
the
paperwork
to
the
commission
members
a
week
ahead
of
time
before
putting
it
on
the
agenda,
so.
A
G
G
A
So
I
would
I
would
look
at
deciding
whether
it
needs
to
go
through
the
through
the
EPA
I
mean
when
Steve
talks
to
the
different
to
Chuck,
and
we
you
guys
figure
out.
What's
the
most,
the
most
user-friendly
way
of
dealing
with
this
I
mean
the
the
people
at
EPA
are
also
some
yeah
they're
user
friendly
they're
up
they're,
not
local
their
office
is
in
Logan.
A
B
G
B
The
reason
why
I'm
asking
is
because
technically
we've
got
two
different
uses
here
and
there's
no
zoning
in
this
outside
the
city
limits,
so
yeah
just
said:
okay
in
theory,
we
say:
okay,
we
sign
off
it
and
say
it's
great
for
commercial
and
then
turns
around
turns
into
you
know,
residential
again.
Does
it
does
it
fit
both
descriptions?
I
guess
is
kind
of
concerned,
yes
and,
in
other
words,
won't
work
for
both
uses.
B
A
C
As
I
explain
the
difference,
meaning
residential
and
commercial,
has
a
difference
in
lot.
Size
so
I
mean
consider
commercial.
Then,
if
the
EPA
after
discussion
with
mr.
hammer
determines
that
the
sewage
disposal
system
is
fine,
no
variance
will
be
necessary
and
no
need
to
come
better.
The
Commission
it's
an
approvable
minor
lot,
split,
which
I'd
normally
process
those
and
forward
those
up
to
either
the
mayor
of
the
service,
Safety
Director,
so
you're,
not
necessarily
hearing
every
case
related
to
lot
splits,
just
the
ones
that
have
problems
or
need
variances.
Okay,.
A
C
This
one
just
had
a
little
twitch
to
it
for
minor
subdivision,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
five
criteria
for
approval,
without
variance
or
additional
review
and
for
number
four
again
it
says
the
proposed
subdivisions
approved
by
the
athlete
City
County
Health
Department.
That
would
be
the
case
for
one
two
and
three
family
dwellings
or
the
Ohio
Environmental,
Protection,
Agency
or
other
special
sanitary
district,
which
would
be
for
commercial,
industrial
type,
application
and
I.
Think,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
it's
really
hard
to
tell
as
a
residential
or
commercial
when
you're
outside
the
city,
because
you
can.
D
C
A
B
B
B
F
A
E
A
So,
okay,
well
I
call
this
Mart
meeting
adjourned.