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B
A
A
C
My
name
is
Steve
Pearson
director
code
enforcement
for
the
city
of
Athens
and
I
have
been
sworn
in.
Several
days
ago,
I
was
contacted
to
by
surveyor
John
branner
about
a
property
that
he
had
surveyed
in
the
plains.
The
intent
was
to
identify
an
area
of
land
around
an
Indian
Mound.
It
would
be
out
on
its
own
in
the
middle
of
a
field.
Essentially
just
an
area
to
you
know
enclose
the
mound
access
to
it
would
be
off
of
a
private
easement
I'm
talking
with
John.
C
It
was
more
intended
to
be
like
a
walking
or
a
biking
easement,
as
opposed
to
something
that
would
you
know
that
vehicles
would
be
going
over.
It
goes.
The
easement
goes
out
to
Johnson
Road
and
going
to
do
the
high
school,
so
this
is
kind
of
between
Johnson
Road
and
first
Street,
because
you're
headed
up
into
Plains
toward
the
high
school
mr.
C
Brenner
had
asked
that
the
split
up
approved
will
be
expedited,
in
other
words,
could
have
been
done
without
variances
for
being
landlocked
or
access
over
private
he's
Minh
because
of
the
nature
of
the
split
end
without
sewage
disposal.
Approval,
for
example,
two
because
the
intent
of
the
law
does
not
create
a
building
site
not
to
have
any
kind
of
a
site
that
requires
private
sewage
disposal
system.
C
It's
not
really
intended
to
be
accessed
by
vehicle
and
I
told
him
only
this
body,
the
Planning
Commission,
would
have
any
kind
of
authority
or
jurisdiction
to
do
that,
without
variance
given
the
the
intent
of
the
sulit.
So
that's
kind
of
a
bit
of
background.
Mr.
Brandner
is
here:
I
can
explain
things
a
little
more.
What,
but,
actually
the
site
is
like
what's
intended
to
be
preserved
and
the
information
related
to
that
any.
D
I'm
John
brainer
surveyor,
the
intent
of
this
is
to
preserve
an
existent
Indian
mountain
from
destruction.
Landowner
was
approached
by
the
Archaeological
Conservancy
and,
and
they
go
around
the
country
buying
up
Indian
mounds
to
preserve
them
forever
and
and
Steve
stated
it's
gonna
just
be
preserved,
as
is
and
be
no
development
on
it.
No
need
for
sewage,
no
structures
and
Tom
is
a
bit
of
the
essence,
because
they
have
a
lot
of
projects
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
the
community
to
have
one
of
their
cultural
features
preserved
forever.
D
A
D
D
F
G
D
G
D
G
In
other
words,
let's
say
if
this
was
considered
a
house
as
a
mound
mountain
house,
it'd
be
what
percentage
of
the
property
well
I.
I,
unfortunately,
did
not
go
out
there,
I
apologize,
but
probably.
G
G
D
H
My
name
is
Josh
McConaughey
and
I'm
with
the
Archaeological
Conservancy.
Our
main
office
is
based
out
of
Albuquerque
New
Mexico,
and
then
we
have
a
field
office
in
Columbus
Ohio.
So
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
just
to
give
you
a
little
background
on
our
organization.
We
were
founded
in
1980
and
it
started
with
kind
of
startup
money
from
a
few
different
federal
foundations,
but
at
this
point
we're
pretty
much
solely
funded
by
donations
and
some
matching
grants
that
we
have
from
members,
and
we
are
see
a
nonprofit
organization,
your
question
about
what?
H
If
we
kind
of
go
out
of
business,
there
would
be
permanent
need
restrictions
on
the
property
that
would
pretty
much
kind
of
like
a
conservation
easement
keep
it
so
that
no
development
could
ever
happen,
because
our
intention
is
to
preserve
Native
American
sites
and
other
historic
archaeological
sites.
Also,
so
that's
kind
of
what
would
happen
if
we
ever
went
out
of
business,
but
the
way
that
we've
set
up
our
financial
backing
is
that
it
would
be
really
hard
and
I
think
as
a
nonprofit,
that's
been
around
for
almost
30
years.
H
H
Mostly
just
mowing
just
keeping
it
looking
nice
if
we,
if
it
was
to
progress
where
we've
got
a
spur
from
the
bike
path
up,
which
I
think
would
be
a
great
addition
to
this
site
and
would
really
kind
of
just
make
it
a
really
nice
addition
to
the
bike
path
and
the
plains
in
the
Athens
community.
We
would
really
you
want
to
keep
it
looking.
A
H
Usually,
will
contract
a
local
person
to
kind
of
take
care
of
it
and
usually
with
it.
Since
you
know,
our
closest
office
is
in
Columbus
we're
not
too
far,
but
we
still
need
someone
to
keep
an
eye
on
things
down
here.
So
what
we'll
usually
do
is
find
what
we
call
a
site
steward
that
is
local
to
the
area,
someone
that
we
can
trust
and
just
to
keep
an
eye
on
the
mound.
H
A
H
Have
an
access
to
everybody
to
walk
on
it.
We
would
probably
because
it's
so
out
in
the
open-
and
you
know
it
really
would
be
hard
to
disturb
it-
I
mean
there's
always
the
chance
of
a
looter
coming
and
disturbing
it,
but
chances
are
I
mean
the
mounts
been
there
for
so
long,
and
it's
so
developed
people
know
that
it's
there
and
they
get
in
it
anyway.
H
So
this
some
of
our
properties,
we
do
Fenton
try
to
keep
people
out,
because
we
fear
that
you
know
they'll
get
destroyed,
but
with
something
like
this
with
its
notability
I
think
that
we
would
want
to
keep
it
open
and
accessible
to
the
public.
Probably
we
wouldn't
want
just
anybody
walking
up
there,
but
if
we
did
do
the
bike
path,
obviously
people
would
be
going
up,
and
that
would
be
perfectly
fine,
because
another
aspect
of
what
we
do
is
also
the
education
aspect.
So
we
think
that
it's
important
to
let
people
know
that.
E
H
We
do
do
conservation
easements,
especially
with
a
recent
case
that
was
had
I,
think
it
was
Utah
we
if
we
can
purchase
it
or
get
it
donated.
That
is
our
ideal,
because
we
have
so
much
more
control
over
it.
But
if
a
property
owner
isn't
interested
in
that
will
do
a
conservation
easement.
But
you
know
the
something
that's
supposed
to
be
forever,
but
we're
finding
that
there
can.
H
And
we,
you
know,
we
I
will
say
we.
Our
intention
is
to
own
the
property
forever.
There
have
been
as
instances
where
we
transfer
property
to
state
organizations
like
we
owned
a
property
outside
of
Chillicothe
and
the
whole
natural
national
cultural
Historic
Park
incorporated
that
into
their
parks
that
we
transfer
that
over
to
them.
So.
E
G
B
H
A
B
I
Money,
the
house
that
was
dilapidated
vacant
for
several
years,
essentially
because
of
where
it
existed,
the
roach
wondered
it
had
and
I
referenced
the
Athens
GIS
site
who
downloaded
the
PDF,
which
gave
me
the
length
times.
The
width
and
I
made
some
math
calculations
based
on
that
and
went
ahead
with
the
purchase
of
the
property.
So
that's
what
everyone
say
that
is
kind
of
a
premise
here.
The
second
page
we've
got
the
subdivision
regulations
which
I
understand-
and
this
third
page
here
is
an
overall
view
of
the
place
known
as
the
plains.
I
Ohio
I'm,
providing
this
because
to
me
I
see
that
80%
of
the
plains
I
wanted
to
mention
the
lot
size
of
the
Lots.
My
plans
moving
over
to
this
page
here,
where
it
says
Thomas,
Jean
I've
got
some
calculations,
and
this
was
the
calculations
that
I
did
before
I
bought
the
piece
of
property,
giving
me
a
total
square
footage
of
about
63
thousand
square
feet
that
met
with
with
Steve
Pearson
they'd.
Let
me
know
that
it
ain't
about
60,000
square
feet,
minimum
to
do
a
a
threeway
lot
split.
I
I
took
a
sampling
of
some
several
neighborhoods
existing
and
playing
some.
The
first
page
here.
I
don't
have
it
listed,
but
l23
is
that
in
the
top
right
of
the
page,
I
highlighted
five
Lots
in
the
plains
and
second
average
of
their
square
footage
and
I
found
it
to
be
fifty
four
hundred.
Fifty
six
hundred
and
forty
six
square
feet.
I
did
the
same
thing.
I
What's
known
as
J
twenty-four
here,
I
took
an
average
of
three
additional
samples
of
neighborhood
and
came
up
with
an
average
of
sixty
420
square
feet
same
thing
on
M
25,
here,
another
sampling
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
plains,
and
they
came
up
with
an
average
of
eighty
eight
hundred
square
feet.
In
the
last
one,
828
took
another
sampling,
I've
got
some
larger
Lots
from
the
plains
that
came
up
with
an
average
of
9500
and
they
last
and
finally,
another
sampling
of
sixteen
thousand
eight
hundred
eighty
one.
I
I
Was
I
used
some
numbers
on
this
are
twenty-eight
year,
I
added
up
one
nineteen
and
160
and
used
those
numbers
in
my
my
calculation
on
in
any
event,
I'm
about
1/8
of
actually
one
eighth
of
one
percent
short
of
what
I
need.
So
that's
the
reason
for
my
request
for
a
variance
east
fourth
turns
into
actually
Edward
Street
and
there's
it's
referred
to
as
Edwards.
It
actually
eats
fifth,
so
there's
plenty
of
frontage
here,
traders
up
there's
a
lot
of
frontage
and
the
variants
I
believe
is
minimal
and.
G
I
E
I
Yes,
and
they,
the
the
irony
of
this
whole
thing,
is
when
I
won
split
this.
He
he
quoted
twenty
thousand
three
hundred
and
seventy
one
square
feet
so
I
could
have
this
redrawn
to
where
I'd
be
at
nineteen
thousand
eight
hundred
and
ninety,
if
I,
had
to
write
I
firmly
believe
and
feel
that
considering
the
average
lot
size
in
the
plains
at
nineteen
thousand
five
hundred
twenty
two
with
the
front
is
in
the
access,
water
and
sewer
means
what
I
need
to
accomplish.
With
this.
With
this
property,
okay,.
B
A
B
B
F
I
B
C
F
I
If
we
took
it
from
the
top
one
I
before
I
purchased
this
property,
a
piece
going
by
the
numbers
on
the
flatbed
there's
and
the
formulas
I've,
provided
that
showed
me.
I
had
sixty
three
thousand
square,
sixty
three
thousand
square
feet
where
twenty
thousand
square
feet
her
a
lot
where
I
wouldn't
be
in
the
position
I'm
in
now
right
when
I
had
it
surveyed,
it
was
Ken.
My
attention
I
had
fifty
9897
square
feet
so
at
which
point
I
just
to
make
things
easier.
I
isolated
the
the
lot
that
would
not
need
any
any
approval.
G
A
A
B
F
B
G
C
Believe
is
that,
as
I
mentioned
many
times
in
the
past
for
about
well
for
the
whole
fourteen
years,
I've
been
here
in
my
office
and
myself
in
particular
process,
minor
subdivisions
for
the
Planning
Commission
subdivision
regs
say
that
the
Planning
Commission
has
jurisdiction
over
minor
and
major
subdivisions.
Believe
I've
mentioned
before
to
that
I
process
anywhere
from
50
to
100
of
these
a
year.
C
Lately
there
have
been
fewer
I'm
in
the
past
you,
the
mayor,
the
service
safety
director
has
been
the
Planning
Commission's
representative
to
sign
off
on
minor
subdivision.
It's
not
necessarily
every
subdivision
minor
subdivision
does
not
come
before
the
entire
Commission.
If
you
would
like
to
do
it
that
way,
I
can
do
it.
The
problem
is
the
way
the
law
is
written
if
you
meet
all
the
requirements
of
a
minor
subdivision
that
has
to
be
reviewed
and
within
five
days.
C
C
That's
not
a
case,
a
permit.
That's
just
I
have
a
you
know
the
code
offices
maintained
for
decades,
a
list
of
minor
subdivision
requests.
Each
one
has
a
number
it's
similar.
It's
actually
in
our
record-keeping,
it's
called
LS
o
803
lots
of
little
803.
We
keep
things
for
building
permits
that
are
called
like,
for
example,
BP,
Oh
803.
You
have
PC
Oh
803,
we're.
A
C
Now,
just
one
clarification
to
the
the
the
O
803
was
approved:
it
met
all
the
requirements.
Mm-Hmm
had
proper
road
frontage,
it
included
also
in
the
record,
as
mr.
Renaldi
alluded
to
a
letter
from
rich,
castor
who's,
the
director
Plains
Water
and
Sewer
District.
That's
sewer
and
water
service
were
available,
except
you
have
the
frontage
requirements,
the
area
requirements,
the
approval
of
the
Health
Department,
a
survey
done
by
professional
engineer.
That's
been
checked
for
math
accuracy
by
the
engineer,
County
engineer's
office.
C
Those
are
the
five
components
of
what
you
need
to
have
a
minor
subdivision
approved
and
mr.
Rinaldi's,
the
the
one
was
already
approved.
That
has
the
house
on.
It
met
all
those
requirements
and
again
action
has
to
be
taken
within
five
days.
So
as
it
I
guess,
there's
a
new
Planning
Commission.
If
you
want
to
discuss
the
procedure
for
accepting
applications
or
how
new
me
to
process
those
or
if
you
would
like
to
appoint
one
member
in
particular
to
do
that
review
on
your
behalf,
that'd
be
great.
C
C
C
G
A
A
G
G
I
G
I
Plenty
of
room,
there's
plenty
of
flat,
I-
would
say
it's
flat
up
until
about
maybe
10
feet,
20
feet
off
of
the
property
line
there
and
again.
Why
I'm?
Why
I'm,
taking
this
step
and
coming
in
here
is
because
I
have
not
approached
the
the
three
possible
neighbors
to
simply
purchased
less
than
a
hundred
square
feet
of
the
plan.
That's
why
I
don't
want
to
have
to
do
that
and
that's
why
I
feel
this
is
necessary.
I
mean
I
could
talk
to
this
person,
this
person
and
this
person
I
wouldn't
be
here
today.
I
It
you
wouldn't
see
it.
You
wouldn't
hear
the
argument.
It
would
get
signed
off
I'm
you
have
five
days
to
do
it.
So
I'm
I'm
asking
kindly
that
I'm
in
a
bind
and
I
and
I
used
the
math
theorem
here
to
come
up
with
my
square
footage.
I
was
at
63,000,
you
can
you
can
prove
it?
It's
math,
that's
the
numbers.
I
used
right
from
the
city
site.
So
that's
that's.
What
I
did
I
took
the
steps?
I
purchased,
the
property
and
kind
of
can
hide,
says.
A
A
E
I
E
A
E
I
A
G
B
C
Had
contacted
the
health
department
director
Chuck
hammer
this
morning,
actually
regarding
a
lot
split
and
over
thirteen
way
on
the
other
side
of
Chauncey
within
the
three-mile
and
was
a
parcel
of
land
that
was
a
little
over
five
acres.
They
wanted
to
split
off
an
acre.
The
residual
would
be
less
than
five.
C
So
they
know
that
they
have
to
provide
that
information
to
the
health
department
and
then
the
health
department
is
going
to
look
at
the
property
as
if
it
were
a
residential
lot.
So
that's
the
direction
we're
headed
on
that
there
needs
to
be
some
I
mean
there's
a
system
there.
Now
that
works
met
the
requirements
when
it
was
installed.
C
However,
with
the
higher
standards
now
it
might
take
a
little
more
area
to
approve
a
system
there
that
needs
a
little
more
air
in
a
certain
type
of
soil,
an
area
of
soil
to
function
as
a
replacement.
So,
yes,
that
is
in
the
works
and
it's
tracking
right
now.
Next
thing
is
contact
the
soil
scientists
a
list
of
those
available
at
the
Health
Department
that
are
approved.
C
Who
can
submit
such
information
for
anyone
we're
getting
to
the
point
now
where,
even
though
the
city
doesn't
necessarily
have
the
ability
to
adopt
large
lot
regulations
from
five
to
twenty
acres
now
allowed
by
by
state
and
abling
legislation
recently
not
approved
on
the
county
level,
but
I
guess,
municipalities
aren't
allowed
to
do
it,
but
still
I,
always
on
your
behalf,
make
contact
with
chuck
hammer
at
the
health
department.
Even
when
you
have
properties
over
five
acres.
There
was
a
proposal
a
while
back
out
on
stagecoach
road
for
very
large
acreage.
C
I
forget
was
thirty
or
forty
acres.
They
split
it
up
into
over
five
acre
sections
and
it
ended
up
when
all
of
a
sudden
done,
even
though
there
were
some
of
our,
they
were
all
over
five.
There
were
a
couple
of
them:
they
needed
almost
eight
acres
just
because
of
the
soil,
and
so
the
number
of
potential
loss
was
reduced,
but
in
the
long
run,
what
you
have
is
compliant
properties
that
meet
current
standards
and
have
the
ability
to
be
have
replacement
systems
or
retrofitting
done
in
the
future.
C
B
A
C
With
the
Painesville
Dworkin
Bernstein
case
that
I've
mentioned
several
times,
it
was
five
I
guess
in
relevant
was
five
dollars
aside
know
that's
what
the
challenge
is
about
that
you're,
treating
that
type
of
temporary
sign
differently
than
you
would
treat
a
temporary
real
estate
sign
or
any
other
type
of
temporary
sign.
Let's.
C
C
Understanding
is
that
you
could,
you
could
distinguish
different
types
of
signs,
but
you'd
be
very
cautious
to
treat
them
differently,
so
you
could
have
different
types.
You
can
say.
Temporary
signs
are
and
then
here's
the
list
of
temporary
signs.
You
have
to
look.
My
understanding
is,
you
have
to
look
at
things
like.
Are
some
allowed
to
be
larger
and
some
only
allowed
to
be
smaller
and
it's
so?
Why
is
there
a
good
reason?
C
C
You
know,
there's
still
political
signs
up
there
right
now,
we're
technically
the
city's
law
say
they
should
have
been
down
a
long
time
ago,
but
I
personally
hesitate
to
you
know
appear
to
be
infringing
on
anybody's
right
to
express
their
political
belief
or
you
know
their
freedom
of
speech.
So
it's.
C
C
G
C
On
how
you
why
you
would
refuse
an
application
for
a
special
event
with
balloons
we
talked
about
talked
about
that
before.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
the
car
dealerships
have
been
very
gracious
in
the
last.
You
know.
I
started,
probably
in
the
summer
time,
letting
them
know
that
you
know
balloons
wouldn't
wouldn't
be
allowed
many
times
soon
and
that
we
were
working.
The
city
was
working
on
some
other
regulations
regarding
balloons,
but
the
car
dealerships
doesn't
just
be
upfront
nos
we
they're
getting
a
little
antsy.
C
They,
like
their
balloons,
I've
encouraged
them
to
work
with
a
Chamber
of
Commerce,
and
also
anybody
who
has
some
interest
in
any
type
of
sign.
The
Chamber
was
the
one
that
lobbied
for
the
changes
in
I
believe
it
was.
Oh
three
remember:
Larry
pain
came
in
the
past
on
political
sign
changes.
The
parties
themselves
came
out
as
former
councilman
Howard
Stephens
came
in
to
lobby
for
the
little
extra.
You
know
square
footage
on
the
signs,
because
the
standard
for
people
who
published
and
manufactured
such
signs-
you
know
the
regs
we
had
were
for
old
signs.