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A
Goodbye
mr.
kevin
kline
who's
here
today
about
some
property
that
he
has
control
over
on
Hickory
Street
on
the
section
of
Hickory
behind
see
any
grocery
store
and
hardware.
He
owns
a
vacant
lot.
There
is
in
the
process
of
purchasing
or
has
purchased
another
lot.
That
has
two
structures
on
it
and
has
the
option
also
to
purchase
another
lot
and
a
half
or
there's
an
existing
concrete
parking
lot.
What
he
would
like
to
do
there
is
for
the
preliminary
discussion
was
about
having
three
units
in
one
building.
A
Of
course,
title
41,
new
site
plan
review
ordinance
requires
that
when
you
have
three
or
more
units
in
a
building,
that's
no
longer
reviewed
or
approved
administrative
Leath
at
has
to
come
to
the
Planning
Commission.
So
that's
why
mr.
Kline
is
here,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
information
that
needs
to
be
submitted
in
order
for
a
complete
application
to
start
the
time
frames
that
are
required
for
action
by
the
Planning
Commission.
A
What
mr.
Kline
would
like
to
do
is
kind
of
review
the
project
with
you
today.
Try
get
an
idea
of
what
you
may
or
may
not
need
in
order
to
have
an
application
submitted
and
stamp
complete,
so
administrative
departmental
input
can
take
place
because
that's
another
requirement
written
input
from
different
departments.
So
that's
kind
of
why
this
is
almost
like
a
pre-application
meeting
for
a
subdivision
or
a
PUD.
Essentially
that's
what
what
we're
doing
today?
Okay,.
B
A
This
made
me
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
background
to
on
the
property,
although
it
abuts
the
b2
business
zone
on
Richland
Avenue,
the
zoning
on
that
side
of
hickory
Street
is
r1.
Single-Family
residential
one
of
the
parts
of
title
41
says
that
any
recommendations
from
boards
and
commissions
have
should
be
received
prior
to
action
by
the
Planning
Commission.
So
in
this
case
it
would
take
a
variance
from
the
board
is
own
appeal
to
construct
a
building
with
more
than
one
unit
short
of
a
rezoning
of
the
area.
A
That
last
example,
in
the
case
of
176
Mills
Street,
there
was
a
rear
inside
setback,
variance
that
was
required
and
the
applicant
went.
The
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
was
granted
those
variances
first.
So
in
a
way
to
the
board,
it
will
probably
good
for
you
to
review
that
section.
The
code
two.
It
talks
about
recommendations
of
other
boards
and
commissions.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
it
you
know
going
to
Zoning
Board
as
a
recommendation
or
not
under
the
language
of
the
orders,
but
that's
how
it
was
done,
the
first
time
and
so
in
a
way,
you're
kind
of
initially
at
the
mercy
of
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
To
consider
you
know,
for
in
this
case
let's
say
three
units
instead
of
one
in
an
r1
now.
B
C
A
Wouldn't
be
any
other
well,
there
would
be.
Individual
units
could
be
constructed
on
each
slot,
a
building,
a
building,
a
building
and
part
of
mr.
Klein's
argument.
I
think
it's
probably
in
your
letter
or
in
a
letter
was
in
the
documents
I
provided
to.
You
is
about
that
that
could
be
allowed,
but
it's
really
efficient
to
do
it.
That
way,
I
mean
tear
up
an
existing
parking
lot,
create
additional
exterior
walls
that
need
insulation
and
heating
and
cooling.
You
know
more
siding
more
face
area.
A
It
could
be
accomplished
now
because
there
aren't
enough
wads
there
and
they're,
not
combined
where
you
could
build.
You
know
three
different
single
single-family
dwelling
units.
His
idea
is
just
to
consolidate
that
all
down,
so
does
that
make
sense
for
a
variance
when
I
was
for
the
board
designed
appeals
to
determine
yes,
sir.
D
Okay,
so
again
haven't
been
on
Zoning
Board
appeals,
so
I
get
the
impression
they
really
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
this
because
fencing
create
a
variance
to
going
through
the
findings.
You
know
this
is
a
question.
Of
course.
You
know
mineral
use,
mineral
variance
for
the
use
of
the
Lots.
Some
of
these
things
would
fall
down
and
be
very
difficult.
I
would
I
would
look
and
say
it's
probably
easy
to
rezone
this,
provided
we
look
at
the
comprehensive
plan.
D
A
Weight
title
41,
it
appears,
has
been
set
up
as
a
little
different
than
Planned
Unit
development,
because
in
a
Planned
Unit
development
review,
the
Planning
Commission
makes
recommendations
for
variance
to
City
Council
the
zoning
boards
not
involved.
So
you
have
kind
of
the
same
kind
of
review
through
the
Planning
Commission.
A
They
recently
well
and
within
the
last
couple
of
years
they
did
approve
a
building
like
well,
it
wasn't
in
an
r1
zone.
It
was
in
a
and
a
B
one
zone
that
you
ending
it
surrounded.
It
was
r1,
and
so
you
can
only
have
a
single-family
home,
but
they
granted
variance
from
multiple
units
in
a
single
building,
but
it
was
zoned
there.
D
Not
a
zoning
board,
there
have
appeals,
board,
I,
think
I'm,
just
again
I'm
looking
at
the
findings
that
they
have
to
go
through,
and
how
does
that?
How?
How
would
you
be
able
to
it?
You
know
approve
this,
given
the
six
findings
that
you
have
to
go
through
and
their
zoning
board
appeals
and
that's
I
guess
putting
implementation
of
that.
E
C
A
That's
probably
one
of
the
reasons
why
mr.
Klein
wanted
to
come
ahead
of
time
here
and
speak
with
you
rather
than
go.
You
know,
go
to
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
and
you
know
kind
of
in
the
dark.
You
know
kind
of
feeling
our
way
through
it.
What
you
know
to
be
maybe
subject
to
final
approval
being
not
able
to
be
obtained
because
they
weren't
able
to
grant
the
variance
offhand.
A
D
C
D
Title
41
is
really
a
it's
a
as
a
pick
and
choose.
We
have
to
say
why
are
you
some
boards
and
some
things
are
required?
A
logical
Court
I
mean
right
now,
probably
for
this
piece
of
property.
Floodplain
issues
aren't
really
required
by
hillsides
of
Battery.
Park
for
for
tree
may
be
Commission
may
be
required,
but
his
disabilities
requiring
for
that
may
be
said.
Well,
maybe
so
I
don't
know
well.
E
E
B
E
D
B
A
Just
one
more
thing:
I
want
to
point
out
another
difference
between
title
41
reviews
and
Planned
Unit
development
reviews
in
the
case
of
Planned
Unit
development.
The
zoning
code
says
that
can
occur
in
any
zone.
So
if
there
were
a
proposal
for
multiple
buildings,
if
there
were
two
or
more
buildings,
this
would
be
a
Planned,
Unit
development
and
then
a
variance
wouldn't
be
necessary
because
PUD
is
principally
permitted
even
as
early
as
in
our
one
zone.
So
long
as
you
go
through
the
process
so
but.
C
C
A
F
G
G
Something
like
that,
but
I've
done
some
background.
Work
on
this
talk
to
many
people
and
felt
very
encouraged
and
positive
about
this
project.
But
just
give
me
some
background
quickly
of
Who.
I
am
on
the
lifelong
resident.
Athens
grew
up
here.
Went
to
school
here,
continue
to
work
and
raise
a
family
here.
I
work
for
Columbia
Gas
have
been
there
for
28
years
and
have
a
genuine
concern
for
our
community.
G
I
have
aspirations
and
concerns
for
our
community
I've
been
involved
in
nonprofit
events
in
this
community
and
many
other
things
like
United
appeal
and
Sipan,
and
tree
festivals
and
various
things
that
I've
been
I'm.
The
athlete
boosters
that
is
high
school
for
last
year
as
well,
I'm
a
property
owner.
Obviously
my
own
home
and
an
investment
property
owner
I
have
ten
currently
so
I'm,
not
as
big
as
a
lot
of
people
in
town,
but
I
have
learned
a
little
bit
about
this.
G
I
have
to
multiple
tea
units,
one
on
West
Washington,
one
almost
a
street
and
my
purchase
criteria
is
that
if
I
will
not
live
there,
I
will
not
purchase
it.
I
went
up
to
the
quality,
I
want
to
be
nice
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
fill
the
property,
and
so
that
is
my
motto
so
to
speak
and
I
actually
brought
pictures
of
the
West
8th,
Street
building
that
I
did
two
years
ago,
which
is
the
old
Dave,
White,
Services
Building,
or
the
option
house
used
to
be
the
big
block.
G
E
G
They
taught
me
so
much
and
I've
learned
and
Steve
could
vouch
for
this.
I.
Don't
do
anything
without
going
to
see
Steve
or
some
of
the
code
office,
because
I
want
to
do
it
right
and
I
want
to
learn
from
it
and
go
that
direction,
and
that's
why
I'm
here
probably
a
little
premature
today
then
maybe
I
should
be,
but
I
want
to
learn
with
you
all
and
do
this
the
right
way
if
I
can.
G
Okay
again,
my
my
goal-
or
my
reason
for
being
here
today-
is
for
guidance
and
support
moving
forward
with
the
project
on
reaching
that
mid
corridor.
I
did
do
my
look
at
the
for
war
as
well
and
see
that,
where
I'm
looking
in
relationship
to
the
b2
zoning
and
all
that
is
right
out
the
front
step,
I
mean
the
streets
and
I
think
divides
and
there's
a
huge
buffer
between
this
property,
and
you
know
the
foothills
going
up
to
Canterbury
in
those
residential
areas
in
r1.
G
My
project
goal
is
to
create
decent,
safe.
Instead,
aesthetically
pleasing
housing
with
mixed
neighborhood,
business
and
residential,
the
housing
would
be
filled,
will
fill
the
needs
for
families,
working
professionals
and
retired
members
of
our
who
want
close
proximity
to
campus
enough
town.
But
then
the
conveniences
of
the
grocery
store
hardware
transportation
right
there
with
the
city,
transportation,
city,
transit
system
on
Ashland
Avenue.
The
proposed
project
is
the
site's
up:
30
32
and
34
Hickory
Street,
which
is
30.
That's
currently
a
concrete
parking
lot
of
CNE
and
I've
talked
to
Lee
Jones.
G
About
selling
that
to
me
we
have
a
gentlemen's
agreement
as
of
today
or
or
week
or
so
ago.
On
that
1:32
hip
brief
I
have
a
purchase
agreement
already
signed
between
the
property
owners
of
myself.
It
has
two
inhabitable
properties
on
I
have
pictures
from
inside.
They
need
to
come
down.
I
can't
imagine
anyone
trying
to
fix
them
up.
G
They've
got
foundation
problems
to
just
really
serious
age
problems
and
then
the
property
of
34
Hickory
I
purchased
it
last
year
with
intentions
of
doing
something
with
it
and
as
I
went
over
and
looked
at
the
property
and
more
so,
if
I
have
been
there,
cutting
grass
I've
looked
at
my
neighbor's
thinking.
Those
two
structures
have
to
come
down
and
maybe
I
can
be
the
one
to
do
it
to
improve
this
neighborhood.
So
the
area
is
depressed.
G
It's
not
the
most
desirable
due
to
the
directly
behind
the
two
large
commercial
buildings
being
the
CNE
the
tire
store
and
such
the
backsides
of
these
businesses
present
challenges
for
anyone
to
consider
this
being
their
permanent
residence.
But
I
do
think
that
the
type
of
housing
I'm
proposing
would
fit
there.
My
proposal
is
to
remove
the
old
structures
from
32
hickory
and
build
three
I'm
saying
this
now,
because
it's
a
change.
G
I
worked
with
an
architect
array
this
week
and
he
has
given
me
some
really
good
ideas
and
how
to
make
it
more
appealing
than
the
one
big
box
apartment
building
three
units
and
to
utilize
the
parking
lot.
That
is
already
there.
His
idea
with
me
was
to
build
three
duplexes
and
a
courtyard
configuration
each
unit
having
a
three
bedroom
unit
and
a
two-bedroom
unit,
and
that
configuration
would
be
two-bedroom
unit
would
be
a
ranch-style,
so
there
were
elderly.
G
The
footprint
structures
is
approximately
225
square
foot
more
than
exist
on
32-degree
alone.
That
is
about
a
12
by
18
structure.
Right
now,
utility
infrastructure
is
already
there
in
place.
The
concrete
parking
lot
at
30
is
ample
parking
for
about
21
parking
spaces
and
with
my
proposal
of
doing
three
duplexes
I
need
15
spaces,
because
each
building
would
have
a
three
and
a
two.
So
that's
five,
the
three
times
over
some
15
in
parking
spaces,
again:
I
consult
with
the
city
code
office
and
some
safety,
director,
architects
and
various
people.
G
That
I
can
just
to
listen
to
me
and
find
out
from
going
the
right
direction,
maybe
going
with
the
right
idea
and
after
meeting
with
the
architect
this
week,
I'm
more
encouraged
about
three
separate
buildings
to
make
it
look
more
residential
than
one
big
box
building
again
in
that
environment,
it
just
seems
to
be
a
better
way
to
go.
I
went
over
to
Elliott
Street
and
took
some
pictures
of
a
duplex
or
a
courtyard
brick
building
over
there
to
get
some
idea.
G
What
the
architect
was
telling
me
about
that's
much
larger
than
what
I
was
considering.
I
also
went
down
to
I
think
it's
diversity,
properties,
the
yellow
type.
You
go
Miller
and
back
into
them,
and
that's
the
kind
of
the
look
I
would
like
to
do.
I
brought
pictures
of
them
as
well
to
say
you
know,
that's
the
kind
of
the
look
of
a
two-story
on
one
side,
a
ranch
on
the
other
kind
of
you
know
design,
and
then
they
would
have
a
courtyard
thing
to
way.
G
The
way
they'll
be
facing
would
be
north,
which
you'll
be
looking
across
the
parking
lot
to
the
one
residential
house.
That's
there
right
now,
rather
than
everyone
facing
Richland
looking
over
the
high
sword
as
I
brought
pictures
of
stacks
of
pallets
and
bundles
of
cardboard
and
forklift,
and
but
it'd
be
a
way
to
make
it
more
appealing
to
people
who
live
there.
I
really
feel
there's
a
need
for
this
kind
of
housing.
G
That
area,
because
most
of
the
places
in
that
area
are
huge
professionals,
don't
really
care
to
live
among
the
college
students,
possibly
due
to
some
of
the
environment
that
they
bring
with
them
but
I'm
starting
to
ramble,
though
I'm
just
going
to
stop
there
and
let
you
ask
me
questions
because,
as
my
children
say,
I
can
talk
forever,
but
I'm
very
excited
about
the
idea
here
again.
I
come
to
you
because
I
want
guidance
and
direction
from
you
all.
G
G
G
C
B
G
Help
because
the
mics
are
on
the
architect
that
designed
the
exterior
of
the
building
on
West
State
Street
really
gave
that
a
different
appeal.
We
use
different
color
siding
and
tried
to
make
it
look
like
something
more
than
just
a
big
box,
wrapped
in
vinyl
siding
and
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
going
with
this
as
well.
I
wanted
to
look
nice
and
be
nice
and
you'll
be
appealing
to
the
neighbors
as
well
I'm
concerned
with
that
I
did
before
the
opening
of
this
I
have
not
contacted
that
next-door
neighbor
on
either
sides.
G
E
G
Are
not
this
was
a
family
property
and
they've
set.
They
can
for
at
least
two
years
because
they
can't
do
anything
with
them
where
they
currently
set.
No,
they
can't
come
and
get
a
permit
for
making
them
into
red.
Now
he
was
in
the
process
of
doing
so.
What
the
garage
apartment,
but
there's
foundation,
problems
with
that
and
lots
of
others,
but
the
roofs
leak
and
so
on,
but
the
house
itself
being
on
the
property,
it's
really
in
bad
shape.
G
If
you
you've
got
to
watch
walking
around
the
floors
are
so
bad
and
I,
don't
know
you
know
what
that's
the
way
it
has
been,
but
it's
it's
one
of
those
older
places.
That's
been
around
for
years
that
they've
added
on
here
and
added
on
there
and
it's
just
hodgepodge
and
not
very
efficient
for
any
kind
of
you
know.
G
G
A
G
F
I
guess
the
only
thing
I'm
questioning
would
be
the
increase
in
density.
I
was
when
we
were
talking
about
it
earlier,
it's
going
to
be
three
units
which
was
basically
came
along
with
this
three
units
on
three
parcels,
so
there
wasn't
an
increase
in
density.
It
was
just
clustering,
it
together,
but
now
we're
adding
increasing
the
density.
So
what
is
a
pot?
It
doesn't
seem
like.
It
makes
some
sense
to
me
this.
C
G
C
Purpose-
and
you
know
that
that's
the
sort
of
place
that
definitely
is
going
to
a
certain
time
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people
want
to
move
into
town
because
they
don't
their
kids
are
gone
or
whatever,
and
they
want
to
move
into
town
that
are
having
a
hard
time
finding
to
enjoy
those
places.
C
G
One
of
the
things
I
looked
at
was
in
building
this.
If
there
are
units
are
all
of
the
units
of
my
first
proposal
were
ground
level,
so
that
there's
not
steps
involved.
I
have
a
mother-in-law
who
lives
on
the
east
side,
and
this
would
be
an
opportunity
to
put
her
closer
to
us
because
we're
right
around
the
corner
on
Pomeroy
Road
I
live
in
this
neighborhood,
so
I'm
thinking
toward
the
future
that
it
might
be
someplace
that
she
would
live
near
us
and
if.
G
F
D
I'm
pretty
much
for
this
idea:
I
like
it
I
I,
guess
the
caveat,
I
look
at
and
look
at
parts
of
confidence
plan.
It
looks
like
this
is
where
we'd
want
to
go
on
originally
in
some
sense:
I
guess
they
carry
out
I
would
say,
is
a
hillside
if
it's
very
slip
from
how
much
you're
going
to
be
disturbing
that
you're
at
the
toe
of
a
hill?
Technically-
and
that's
just
technical-
that's
just
you
know
engineering
in
one
sense,
but
I'll.
G
Talk
about
the
architect
yesterday,
the
one
unit
toward
the
street
would
have
a
basement
foundation
in
it.
The
others
would
be
on
grade.
You
know
slab
or
someone
of
a
crawlspace,
but
not
much
disturbance
to
the
hillside
from
what's
already
there
just
once
the
properties
were
the
structures
that
are
there
were
taken
down.
Of
course,
them
doing
some
great
improvement
stuff
like
that,
but
there's
no
plan
to
cut
30
feet
into
the
hillside.
No,
probably.
D
At
the
parking
lot
is
not
the
easiest
one
to
get
in
and
out
of
youth
I
mean
this
plan.
Wasn't
altering
the
parking
lot?
No
is
once
you
start
designing,
you
know
your
planning
and
development
here.
It
may
modify
it
because
trying
to
create
a
courtyard
around
that
may
not
may
be
difficult,
but
you
know
I,
don't
know
I
guess
we
will
probably
make
a
motion
on
it.
Well,.
G
B
H
H
E
A
H
H
B
H
E
A
We
would
have
started
today
through
the
planning
and
development
process.
This
would
have
been
the
pre-application
meeting,
that's
required,
which
is
an
early
and
it
described
as
an
early
and
informal
meeting
where
the
Planning
Commission
makes
the
applicant
aware
a
certain
development
criteria.
That
city
has,
which
essentially
is
what
we've
done.
We've
pointed
out
challenges
with
slipper
on
soils,
possibly
landscaping
plans
reviewed
by
the
you
know
by
the
tree,
Commission
some
variances
that
might
be
necessary
for
area
so
I.
A
A
Fees
and
a
lot
yeah,
the
requirements
for
preliminary
approval
for
PUD
are
not
that
great.
Then
there's
detail
that
you
have
to
work
on
between
preliminary
and
final,
so
I
mean
we
can
proceed
in
the
directions
quickly.
Mr.
cly
might
want
to
go
with
another
pre-op
meeting
or
go
right
to
a
preliminary
depending
on
he
and
I
can
discuss
that
too,
and.
D
E
A
C
A
C
A
C
E
D
Iiked
the
look
of
it,
I
guess
my
concern
is
elevation.
Act
right,
try,
visualize
what
these
buildings
would
look
like,
I,
think
the
densities
approach
appropriate
into
size
I
also
worry
about
the
toe
of
the
hill
and
making
sure
there
is
that,
as
you
say,
for
certain
trees
does
the
back.
So
because
you
will
have
you
know
the
other
one.
That's
there
we
went
I
got
to
look
at
I've.
D
Looked
at
this
site
twice
so
far,
just
to
check
it
out
and
I
know
it
needs
improvements,
I
guess
somewhere
along
the
line
in
the
PUD
process.
We
want
to
look
at
infrastructure,
I,
don't
know
how
I
don't
remember
seeing
a
fire
hiding.
That
was
one
of
the
things
that
came
to
mind
just
now,
because
that
would
be
in
the
title.
41,
uh-huh
and
I
didn't
think
about
cuz
I
thought
that
I'd
be
in
the
process,
but
once
we
start
talking
about
peds,
it's
definitely
bad.
D
E
C
C
You
know
if
you
want
to
have
and
try
to
look
at
some
of
the
safety
issues
involved,
because
so
many
of
these
areas
are
just
not
kids
thinking
but
I'm
encouraged
I
think
that
it's
it
can
be
a
great
project
and
I
think
that
your
attitude
I
must
compliment
you
on
your
attitude
about
how
you
do
rental
development,
because
I
think
that's
a
attitude
that
if
more
people
had
in
this
counter,
we
wouldn't
be
having
as
much
discussion
about
regulations
so
I'm,
very
encouraged
and
I.
Think
that's
good.
You
should
be
commended.
G
G
E
G
G
E
G
Had
a
tenant
that
came
to
me
about
eight
years
ago
from
California
and
she
didn't
have
a
car,
but
course
Annapolis
you
did
purchase
one,
and
you
know
this
kind
of
environment
would
lend
itself
to
someone
not
having
to
purchase
the
power
and-
and
she
really
was
not
encouraged
to
do
so,
because
she
knew
she'd
come
here
for
a
short
time
with
her
affiliation
with
the
University.
But
something
like
this
would
make
it
more
right.
E
G
D
G
The
nice
thing
is
that
it
does
have
the
buffer
I
mean
a
large
foot
hill
there
and
woods
area.
I
walked
it
yesterday,
just
to
see
how
far
it
really
does
go
is
the
one
block
I
purchased
in
December
I,
never
really
didn't
walk
all
the
way
to
the
top,
but
it's
a
long
way
up
there.
It's
beautiful
woods
that
we
need
to
retain
and
keep
them
just
as
they
are.
Okay.
G
E
B
B
C
B
And
I
think
we
can
welcome
we'll
come
back
to
that
in
April.
We
got
a
resolution
from
Council
asking
us
to
to
make
a
recommendation
to
them
about
rezoning
the
lot
in
front
of
the
depot
on
on
Union
and
and
behold
streets
and
to
consider
historical
significance
and
I
asked
Margaret
Shafer
to
come.
Today.
She's
got
some
pictures
of
the
depot
and
various
incarnations.
B
If
we
talk
about
historical
significance,
we
want
to
sort
of
pick
some
period.
It
was
built
in
1890
and
we
don't
have
a
picture.
What
it
looked
like
been
its
appearance
in
the
land
around.
It
has
changed
a
lot
over
the
years
and
we
need
to
know
what
period
we're
going
back
to
Paula.
The
mayor
has
some
pictures
of
it
went
ahead,
bonded
oil
in
front
of
it,
and
you
really
could
barely
see
the
deep
Club.
D
F
D
Is
before
the
actual
development
of
the
time
and
bonnet
in
the
carry
out
of
it,
yeah
I
was
in
the
file.
I
pulled
the
file
you
shipped
gotten
in
your
packet,
some
of
the
opinions
and
literature
that
went
through
in
1990.
He
didn't
have
any
impact
everybody
assumed
you
guys
got
it
particularly
opinion
9007
from
the
law
director
Gary
country
at
the
time
concerning
some
of
the
the
changes
in
the
agreements
and
particularly
looking
F,
which
is
what
we're
talking
about.
F
D
A
yeah
there's
also
admit
yeah
they're,
basically
to
Lisa's
event,
agreements
that
are
out
there,
but
part
of
us
at
his
ruling
is
decision
on
what
what
that
actually
meant
in
terms
of
that
corner,
which
is
the
southwest
corner
community
post
students?
Did
you
get
I,
don't
know?
If
you
guys
got
this
this,
it's
yeah.
D
B
B
F
C
E
C
E
F
B
First
of
all,
I
would
suggest
that
we
tell
council
that
since
there's
a
lease
in
place,
it's
not
appropriate
to
rezone
this.
At
this
point,
police
clearly
permits
parking
and
our
open
space
zone
doesn't,
and
the
other
thing
that
I've
been
thinking
about
since
I
since
I
talked
to
you
pollicis
mm.
Another
brainstorm
was
that
we
probably
need
another
zoning
category
to
to
allow
for
historic
preservation.
B
C
Plants
and
they're
in
looking
at
open
space
planning
scheme
that
does
several
things
with
the
open
space
planning,
cultural,
historic
planning,
open
space,
meaning
when
a
green
perky
part
of
the
sort
of
open
space,
an
ecological
open
space
and
if
I
forget
what
it's
so,
but
there
they
have
examples
of
that,
and
they're
working
right
and
I
was
hoping
to
get
them
when
they're
ready
to
tell
them
who's
in
it.
So
we
can
have
like
a
really
encompassing
of
his
baseball.
That.
B
C
C
B
I
B
C
E
C
Think
that
it
also
has
to
be
something
that
is
aesthetically,
pleasing
and
a
benefit
for
the
surrounding
community
for
the
surrounding
neighbors
and
it's
a
opportunity
to
definitely
have
that
area.
Have
some
some
nice
community
space
associated
with
it
and
not
just
visual
community
space,
but
usable
community
space.
C
D
D
That's
page
for
the
top
track
up
shall
be
leads
to
the
city
developer
for
ingress
and
egress,
including
appropriate
number
curb
cuts
for
each
Dean,
Street,
Depot
parking
and
landscaping
for
a
portion
for
purposes.
The
connection
is
a
Depot
and
interesting
of
one.
It
got
changed
from
green
space
to
landscaping.
At
the
same
time,
the
intent
really,
if
I'm
reading
you
correctly
paying
two
things
are
happening.
It
one
is
that
we
should
be
changing
it.
B
D
B
B
B
B
D
B
D
C
Concerned
that
parking
is
it
maybe
historical
that
cars
parked
out
in
front
of
the
depot,
but
in
this
day
and
time,
with
the
massive
amount
of
parking,
that's
you
know
being
developed
in
so
many
areas,
city.
That
parking
in
in
exchange
of
green
space
is
really
not
as
beneficial
for
the
Depot
or
for
the
surrounding
community.
Actually,.
C
It
may
not
know
well
it's
the
first
box,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
can't
be
made
what
what
personally
I
think
would
be
very
beneficial
for
the
Depot
feature,
people
and
the
new
buildings
at
the
Depot
and
the
area
around
there
is
to
do
you
know
to
have
a
pocket
park
where
you
would
have
a
nice
area
that
has
shaped
trees
and
other
things
so
that
you
can
come
down
and
enjoy
part
of
the
history
of
Athens
and
not
have
cars
right
there
and
not.
You
know
cars.
C
If
you
develop
a
green
space
or
you
have
some
grass
and
cars
in
close
proximity,
it's
not
used
to
screen
space.
It's
used
as
stuff
that
gets
mode.
I
mean
I.
Think
that
that
we've
seen
places
that
have
been
you
know
put
forward
by
the
community.
You
know
with
the
idea
that
it'd
be
a
great
benefit,
but
it's
surrounded
by
cars.
Pedestrians
are
intimidated
by
cars,
so
we
need
to
keep
our
options
open
with
that
I.
E
C
D
C
C
Doesn't
mean
I
mean
there
was
Bob
sit
for
a
long
time
too.
You
know
that's
gonna
turn
into
parking,
so
I
just
you
know,
I
think
that
I
agree
I,
think
the
green
space
designation
doesn't
fit
here
partially
because
of
the
lease,
but
also
because
our
green
space
definition
needs
to
be
reworked,
but
I
also
caution
against
the
idea
that
green
space
and
parking-
or
you
know
the
same
thing
in
the
it's
going
to
work
out,
no
I
think
it's.
C
D
D
Want
some
more
fish
again
right
now,
my
my
my
view
is
that
most
everything
in
front
of
you
know
I
go
by
there
all
the
time,
so
everything
in
front
of
the
depot
size
right
now
is
technically
paving,
although
the
paving
is
pretty
bad,
it's
not
really,
rather
than
saving
everything
to
if
you're
spacing
and
everything
to
the
left
is
like
that
wedge.
There
is.
D
D
E
D
C
Just
you
know
I
wanna.
Maybe
this
discussion
is
more
to
inform
property
development
in
the
future
I'm
just
very
concerned
because
I
just
you
know,
I
hear
from
people
all
the
time
about.
You
know
there
seems
to
just
be
so
much
parking
and
it's
you
can
landscape
parking
sure
you
can
have
a
big
parking
lot
there
and
have
landscaping
around
it
and
that's
potentially
what
can
happen
under
this
lease
I
would
be
really.
C
It
would
be
sad
because
if
having
a
bunch
of
cars
parked
in
front
of
that
would
I
think
detract
from
the
aesthetic
quality
of
the
depot.
You
could
do
a
really
nice
aesthetic
job
with
parking,
but
mostly
with
landscape
park
in
front
of
it.
That
would
enhance
it
and
so
I,
just
I
have
so
I
just
think
when
you
have
landscaping
slash
parking
and
this
needs.
Maybe
this
needs
to
go
back
to
the
development
of
future
leases,
and
that's
in
the
city
of
we
need
to
be
more
specific
by
what
we
need.
I
C
C
B
Therefore,
it
is
my
opinion
that
parking
is
permitted
on
track
app
so
long
as
this
parking
is
in
conjunction
with
the
development
of
the
Depot
site,
it
is
clear
that
once
a
residential
and
or
commercial
development
is
constructed
on
the
Depot
site,
that
the
parking
must
be
used
for
the
residents
and
plays
guests
or
patrons
of
that
development.
It
also
appears
logical
it,
since
land
acquisition
and
repair
costs
are
part
of
development
costs,
then
until
the
Deep
Web
site
is
redeveloped
as
a
residential
and
commercial
project.
This
the
park.
D
C
D
B
Now
next
thing
that
we
were
going
to
talk
about
was
scheduled
a
work
session
on
the
sciences
and
after
consulting
with
the
mayor,
consulting
with
Steve.
What
I
suggest
is
we
ask
the
mayor
to
appoint
the
committee
a
task
force
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
about
three
or
four
people
to
make
recommendations
on
temporary
sign
if
it
isn't,
the
temporary
sign
provisions
do
a
general
review
of
sign,
sighs,
do
LED
signs
for
size,
brightness
and
frequency
of
message
change
and
deal
with
flashing
window
signs
that
say
open
or
a
beer
or
whatever
they
say.
B
B
B
D
B
D
B
A
A
A
The
date
administrative
with
us,
what
we're
doing
now
we're
allowing
balloons,
I
think
you
know
people
may
have
wondered
why
they
have
seen
balloons
at
a
couple
locations
in
town.
Those
have
been
permitted
in
relationship
to
the
four
regularly
permitted
30-day
events
that
you're
allowed
to
have
so
yeah.
If
you
can
tie
it
some
way
to
an
activity
that
already
needs
to
be
permitted
can
say
the
balloons
can
be
permitted
as
part
of
that
event.
That'll
make
a
lot
easier,
because
now
you
have
people
who
will
say
whatever
balloons
are
prohibited.
E
E
B
C
E
E
B
H
B
A
When
the
League
of
Women
Voters
sponsored
some
events,
I
think
with
at
the
library
there
was
a
discussion
about
how
could
those
be
advertised
throughout
the
town
with
you
know
little
signs
that
essentially
we're
going
to
be
like
for
sale
signs
about
men's
size
didn't
fit
really
well
in
it,
because
the
definition
of
an
educational
sign
which
this
could
be
considered
to
be
educational
didn't
fit.
So
you
couldn't
look
at
those
regulations
because
of
the
definition
didn't
I'm,
not
sure.
A
A
The
last
thing
under
Section
T
exemptions
to
the
regulations-
number
five
special
sign-
is
determined
by
the
Zoning
Administrator
to
be
reasonable.
Considering
the
intent
and
regulation
of
the
chapter
so
I
think
the
way
does
I
recall
the
way
we
looked
at.
It
was
if
a
real
estate
sign
was
permitted
to
be
five
square
feet,
and
you
know
that
was
with
the
permission
of
the
property
owner.
Would
this
not
be?
You
know
basically
the
same
thing.
E
A
What
we
required
to
was
that,
where
the
sign
was
placed
permission
of
the
property
owner
or
the
owner
of
property
adjacent
to
where
the
sign
was
being
placed
in
the
public
right
away
was
obtained.
In
other
words,
you
didn't
just
plant
a
sign
in
front
of
somebody's
house
and
they
really
didn't
want
to
be
there.
So
I
think
those
no
those
were
the
contingencies,
five
square
feet
and
permission
of
the
adjacent
property
owner
or
the
property
owner
I.
C
D
Essentially,
you
know
this
is
we're.
Looking
at
about
twenty
three,
oh
three:
thirteen
l3
real
estate
signs,
pepper,
a
real-estate
science
freestanding
science,
while
science
may
be
permitted
for
sale
for
rent
for
lease
premises,
part
of
premises
on
which
the
sign
is
display.
The
illumination
said
that
be
committed.
Such
science
are
removed
within
14
days
of
the
closing
date
of
sale,
property
or
harvested
by
tenant.
If
I
read
that
by
the
strict
law
and
this
place
is
occupied,
there
should
be
any
sign
and
if
place
is
always
occupied,
there
should
never
be
a
sign.
I.
C
I
think
that
there's
a
legitimate
question
about
because
they
have
been
put
on
proliferating
and
they've,
been
seen
me
to
get
bigger
and
it
looks
like
you
know.
The
whole
town
is
I
mean
I
know
the
whole
town
is
for
rent,
but
it's
just
you
know
the
little
signs
that
they
were
talking
about
with
Wharton.
Were
these
little
green
signs,
which
compared
some
of
them
are
kind
of
innocuous?
But
it's
just
a
question
of.
C
D
B
D
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
send
out
emails
to
the
neighborhood
associations
and
chamber
I
can
get
touch
with
uptown
business
associations
meeting
next
week,
I'll
be
there,
but
they'll
be
perk
to
them.
Another
state,
business
and
I.
Don't
know
mr.
Van
Dyke,
but
I
guess
I
could
contact
him
as
well.
No,
they
all
have
always
put
you
in
coordinated
great
six
days,
maybe
a
short
time,
but
at
least
it's
a
start.
I
don't
know
what
they'll
come
up
within
60
days,
whether
we
start
now.
E
D
B
A
A
C
A
Just
a
couple
things
if
I
could
I
did
have
to
speak
to
Larry
Van
Dyke
owner
performance
signs
yesterday
and
made
him
aware
that
it's
ask
force
was
being
formed.
He
did
indicate
that
he
might
have
some
interest
in
doing
that
as
being
an
industry
representative.
F
A
Not
lack
of
enforcement
I
think
as
I've
stated
I,
you
know
it
allows
for
wall
signs
and
freestanding
signs
up
to
five
square
feet.
Then
there
is
because
of
this
language.
You
know,
when
is
a
place
for
lease.
It
basically
says
you
don't
have
to
have
a
permit
to
do
it
and
I
know
he
has
to
stay
down
for
fourteen
days.
A
E
D
D
D
Occupied
my
house
is
for
sale.
Did
you
know
my
house
is
for
sale?
Someday
I
will
die,
the
houses
go,
don't
gonna
be
there.
The
land
is
still
gonna.
Be
there.
The
land
outlast
me
someday.
My
house
will
be
for
sale,
Dave
15
from
now
the
house
for
sale.
If
I
closed
on
tomorrow
day
15
the
house
will
be
selling
100
years
from
now
or
some
the
life
will
be
Fassett
whatever
is
there
will
be
for
sale,
I
guess
I
should
have
it
for
sale.
D
B
But
if,
if
you've
got
an
apartment
building
and
all
the
apartments
are
full,
should
you
still
have
be
able
to
have
the
sign
that
says
that
we
seem
now
renting
for
lease
for
men
but
a
rapid
on
the
sign
on
the
outside
of
the
building?
When
you
truly
you
don't
have
anything
available,
you
shouldn't
it.
J
C
A
question,
though
I
mean
I,
think
right
now
what's
happening.
Is
the
real
landlords
are
saying?
Oh
well,
it's
always
for
lease.
You
know.
If
you
want
a
sign
for
2010-2011
school
year,
then
let's
do
it
and
it's
you
know
a
way
of
I
mean
it's
it's
advertising
in
a
way
that
doesn't
seem
consistent
with.
What's
on
them,
usually.
D
C
A
Distinction
in
one
of
the
distinctions
in
judge
Pillsbury's
decision
had
to
do
with
was
it
off-site
advertising?
That's
why
I
had
originally
cited
I
think
it
was
70
or
80
properties
that
the
signs
were
not
temperate
real
estate
signs
I
think
we're
off
site
advertisement
signs
the
Zoning
Board
upheld
my
decision.
A
The
Common
Pleas
Court
upheld
my
decision.
However,
in
that
decision
it
did,
as
you
mentioned
point
out,
that
temporary
real
estate
signs
were
permitted
and
essentially
from
that
decision.
That's
how
we've
had
this
thing
from
managed
by
has
gone
away
in
for
rent
has
gone
up,
because
it
was
illustrated
that
that
was
a
permitted
sign
now
they've
kind
of
changed
and
too,
even
though
they
say
for
rent.
Are
they
really
off
site
advertising
or
is
the
place
you
know
really
for
rent,
so
I
mean
I'd,
be
real
happy.
A
D
The
appellant
clearly
argues
that
the
agency
code,
2303
13o,
contains
language
query
pertinent
to
the
removal
of
real
estate
signs,
but
is
ambiguous
to
respect
to
removal
of
rental
signs.
He
argues
that
any
ambiguity
must
be
resolved
in
his
favor.
The
invigorated
by
the
appellate,
if
it
exists,
is
in
material
under
SEC
code,
a
subcategory
of
real
estate
signs
falls
in
the
general
character
of
temporary
signs,
C
F
and
C
code
13:03
between
D
1
B
and
13
23:03
13
o
buy
clear
on
a
Vegas
definition.
D
D
C
C
D
Does
that
teach
nine
you
talk
about,
felon
argues
that
the
speech
of
the
subject
properties
is
a
side,
business,
ie,
residential
and
the
science
of
merely
on-site
appetizers
for
each
predictive
business.
Again
this
borrower
boils
down
to
the
weather,
for
lease
signs
can
ring
can
remain
up
permanently.
We
call
it
holes
that
I
cannot
I
was
asked
when
he's
addressing
the
idea
is
the
business
on
site?
Sorry,
so.
C
E
I
B
A
B
B
B
B
B
D
J
B
What
you're
talking
about?
Well,
it's
the
paragraph
about
the
Rinaldi
case
and
remember
we
had
a
discussion
at
that
time
about.
There
had
been
a
previous
case
that
affected
that
same
property
that
had
been
disposed
of
and
I
didn't.
Remember
it
and
Harry
didn't,
remember
it
right
and
it
it
was
I
think
it
was
before
January
no.
A
B
Who
was
this
year?
Okay?
Well,
it
didn't
come
to
us,
it
turned
out.
It
didn't
come
to
us.
So
if
you
would
take
a
look,
then
we
can
correct
those
that
part
of
the
minutes
later,
but
it's
it's
confusing.
So
all
right,
I'll,
I'll,
just
X
out
this
part.
Well,
it
says
just
ignore
it
and
the
only
other
thing
that
I
thought
should
be
changed
is
we
need
the
proper
name
of
the
archaeological
Conservancy.